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Are chemtrails real and contrails a con?

Updated on February 20, 2016

Contrails or chemtrails - what is the truth?

It has been said that there are two types of people on this planet - "those who read Nexus magazine and those who don't." I am in the first category and came upon the term chemtrail in the publication probably as far back as ten years ago.

Since then I began to see trails in the sky being left by planes that were not like the jet contrails I was used to - the ones that soon fade away. Over the years I noticed more and more of the new long-lasting contrails that over time spread out into fake clouds. I began to research the subject more and found that a movement of people was forming worldwide who were watching, cataloguing, writing about and campaigning against the ever-growing mess that is being made of the skies by trails being left by planes.

Contrails or chemtrails?

Persistent trails over Tenerife 2007
Persistent trails over Tenerife 2007

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Sun halo in Tenerife
Sun halo in Tenerife
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Bard of Ely's Stop Chemtrails Tshirt
Typical sky over Cardiff, July 2007
Typical sky over Cardiff, July 2007

So what are "chemtrails?

If you run a Google search on "chemtrails" you will find thousands of entries for websites devoted to the subject, forums where chemtrails are discussed daily, videos in their hundreds on YouTube, chemtrail sites on Myspace and much more evidence that something is going on that millions of people are very concerned about. However, if you open a newspaper or watch the TV news you will never see any mention of chemtrails. If concerned citizens contact the authorities they either get brushed off with some lame response or ignored. Environmental activist group Greenpeace has been strangely silent on the matter too.

Naturally for people who are looking for the truth about what is going on so openly in the skies overhead, and finding little or no response from government and other officials or the mainstream media, these people are going to get very suspicious. Those who are already "truthseekers" and "conspiracy theorists" will probably already know about the matter and have decided that chemtrails are real, a threat to us and, indeed, proof of the reality of a very big conspiracy. Authors like David Icke have added chemtrails into the subjects they discuss in their books and lectures. Alex Jones has recently starting talking about the topic as well. Canadian journalist William Thomas, who is credited as one of the first people to be kicking up a fuss about chemtrails, wrote Chemtrails Confirmed. Clifford Carnicom researched the matter in very great depth and set up a website examining the subject of chemtrails. Like Thomas, Carnicom's name will be well known to anyone concerned with what is going on with regard to chemtrails.

However, because a vast number of people choose to follow what they are informed of by official sources, and amazingly, because yet more people haven't even noticed what has happened to the skies, two camps have been formed - there are the chemtrail believers and activists and the non-believers and debunkers of the matter. One of the debunkers who is calling himself JazzRoc I actually know personally, and he has been posting messages all over the chemtrail sites on YouTube claiming that the trails are nothing more than "soda pop." JazzRoc says that the trails are caused by humidity factors and that persistent contrails are not a new phenomena but that we see more because there is more air traffic. He asserts that there is nothing harmful being sprayed out of the planes and that people are becoming ill due to air pollution and other factors, including making themselves that way thinking about it. This is a subject we have had to agree to disagree upon, although I am not saying he is wrong on all of it.

Although most of the media has been silent the Discovery Channel broadcast an episode in their Best Evidence series in which they took a look at the subject in a program called Chemical Contrails. Journalist Victoria Hardy had an article published in American Chronicle entitled A Doctor Speaks Out About Chemtrails, in which she reports on what Dr Stephen D. McKay has said about the matter.

According to Hardy, Dr McKay had been contacted by the BBC and Channel 4 television stations in the UK to work in an advisory capacity for documentaries on weather modification and geo-engineering projects. He says that there are four different projects employing chemtrails - the first of which being an attempt to block the suns rays and halt global warming to a degree by using a sunscreen devised by the late Dr Edward Teller and made up of aluminum oxide particles. Dr McKay also said that the US Navy's Radio Frequency Mission Planner is using the chemtrails as a miltitary program, that a further project was also using barium salts to modify the weather based on Nikola Tesla discoveries, and finally, that the Defence Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) is utilising barium in the atmosphere for undisclosed purposes.

Barium is a toxic element and is said to have been found in above normal amounts in water samples in areas subjected to chemtrails and many people believe this as well as aluminum, is what is making them ill. A wide range of symptoms are being attributed to chemtrails including: asthma, allergies, flu-like illness, respiratory and sinus problems, nose bleed, fatigue and depression, tinnitus, sight problems and inflammation of the eyes,dizziness, skin rashes, high blood pressure and pneumonia. Another very weird disease has been added to the list and it is known as Morgellons. It is characterised by a sensation of crawling under the very inflammed skin and coloured fibers emerging from it. Morgellons is a subject nearly as big as chemtrails so Google it to find out more.

Other toxins like diethylene bromide are said to be found after chemtrails have been sprayed over the skies and pathogens including moulds, viruses, and even dessicated human blood cells. Many people have reported a very fine web that has been left all over everything in the wake of overhead chemtrail activity. It is also theorised that drugs such as Valium and Prozac have been made into aerosol form and are being used to drug the population on a mass scale. Admitted spraying of aluminum chaff by the miltary has been reported over Germany and Europe and over parts of the US. Aluminum is linked with causing Alzheimer's disease and whether it is in the air in the form of aluminum salts, aluminum metallic particles or aluminum chaff, my logic says that it represents a threat to out health and shouldn't be there!

It is not just the persistent trails that people are seeing but also strange atmospheric phenomena like sun halos and "chembows," which are rainbow colours showing in the fake cloud cover. By night a new phenomenon is also being seen known as "noctilucent clouds" in which the clouds are seen to glow. As a nature lover I have spent all my life looking at the world around me but I had never seen a sun halo until last year and now I have seen several. Chemtrails were also present in the skies - what a coincidence!

Many people believe that a very sinister depopulation program has been put into operation and that the chemtrails are a big part of it. This theory includes the idea that the public are being increasingly weakened on a cumulative basis so the immune system cannot function and that the victims will become seriously ill and/or die. The fact that the authorities are saying nothing is being seen as a sign of this threat being very real because what government would want to admit that billions are being spent on killing the people off?

Weather modification programs are definitely real as is the subject of weather warfare, and I suggest that if you are interested that you Google these terms.

Rosalind Peterson set up californiaskywatch.com, and her site states clearly: "We believe that no one, no government agency or private corporation, has the right to pollute our air or drinking water supplies, modify our weather, or impact the living environment around us (even the upper atmosphere), without our consent."

Rosalind says that it is better to use the term "persistent contrail" than chemtrail because the United States Airforce has officially stated that chemtrails are a hoax and based on this the media will not touch the subject if that word is used.

Many people researching and protesting about chemtrails believe that the HAARP experimental research centre in Alaska is using the chemtrails for various purposes including weather modification. Certain types of artificial cloud patterns are being said to be caused by HAARP, which employs technological discoveries by Nikola Tesla.

Besides the varied theories about what the chemtrails are there are ways that are being used to combat them and their effects. Orgonite based on the discoveries of Wilhelm Reich is believed to protect against chemtrails and devices known as "chembusters," also based on Reich's work are being made and sold to get rid of the trails.

It has been admitted that an ongoing program is being put into operation of aerial spraying of the California Bay area with Checkmate pesticide to control the Little Brown Apple moth, which is said to be a pest. What damage this will do to the health of people and wildlife is unknown. The program is set to spray the area monthly and is going on for years. People who know about it are not surprisingly angry and want this stopped. I mention this because, although it is not the sort of chemtrail spraying we see all over the skies, it is a form of spraying being done using planes and using potentially toxic substances. For more info on this I advise searching on "Checkmate spraying in California"

Update: A change of my belief

Since starting this hub, yesterday to be precise, I have had a major realisation from listening to what JazzRoc had to say in the course of the very heated discussion in the comments below. I realised that my association of sun halos being caused by something harmful from chemtrails because I saw them when these trails had been in the sky was wrong. Yes, they are caused by what is in the atmosphere but I was wrong about it being harmful and I am now in agreement with JazzRoc that it was ice crystals from the water vapour up there. I had blinded my thoughts to this by my belief in the chemtrail conspiracy and by my great distrust of science - something JazzRoc points out in his blog that many of us fear science and don't understand it. I do believe that many scientists lie and are paid to but that doesn't mean that they all do, nor does it mean that their inventions and discoveries are evil - it depends on how they are used.

The moment of realisation was that I know that halos are NOT caused by dust or solid particles but by the properties of water in the atmosphere just like we get around the moon and which can give a rainbow coloured halo. A moon halo is something I regard as normal having seen them all my life. So by a process of logic I see that what I have been calling chemtrails, in a very large number of cases, would be water vapour persistent contrails as has been claimed by non-chemtrail-believers and official sources like the BBC.

This realisation, of course leads me to wondering if other "believers" have blinded themselves by their own belief in the conspiracy and a great distrust in science and governments? And I am wondering why authors and noted researchers cannot see the simple logic here? Are they similarly blinded or are they choosing to lie to back up what they are saying?

JazzRoc also points out that solid particles of aluminium, barium, sulphur etc would clog up the engines of a plane and so could not be used that way, and that is something I was already in agreement with him on but have been thinking in terms of separate tanks and sprayers. That commercial airlines do not have these I am sure he is right about, although military and specially customised planes used in weather modification can so I haven't switched sides completely!

A major realisation that has gone with this is that our skies must have become far more full of water and that chemtrail-believers have been seeing the trails that persist because of this as proof of conspiracy against us. It is not but it is proof on there being a big change in what is up there and it appears that the amount of water vapour in the sky is increasing and so with it the trails and cloud coverage resulting. I would highly recommend that anyone reading this also reads JazzRoc's comments and his blog which he has provided the link for in the comments below.

And finally, I am leaving all the rest of this as it was in this hub so people can make up their own minds about what is real and what is not! My personal reality has shifted thanks to JazzRoc!

NB: I recommend most highly a site that JazzRoc praises too that explains what is going on really well, as well as answering chemtrail believers. Please visit http://www.contrailscience.com

Chemtrail sites

I wore a T-shirt saying that chemtrails should be stopped and I wrote and had published an article in Tenerife News entitled: Contrails or Chemtrails and Freak Weather

But I encourage you to do your own research and come to your own conclusions. I don't think anyone has the full facts on this matter. As John Lennon once wrote and sang:

"Nobody told me thereĀ“d be days like these, strange days, indeed..."

For more info: Rosalind Peterson's site: http://www.californiaskywatch.com/

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      Steve Andrews 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      Good question to which the answer is that it isn't being done!

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      Tom 4 years ago

      Aluminum is supposed to be one of the major elements in chemtrails it is also one of the major elements used for jamming radar. My question is this, If millions of gallons of spray containing aluminum are being put into the air on any given day how is it both ground and aircraft radar do not "see"it. Even a very small amount of aluminum makes a very large radar signature and yet they are never reported by any pilots anywhere even though they are flying in the same airspace and at the same altitudes as alleged chem aircraft.

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      Steve Andrews 5 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      It is totally normal for weather conditions to change. It would be abnormal if it didn't! You can have a lot of air traffic and not see it. It is only when you see conspicuous trails you become aware of it. If you are "not seeking answers or explanations" why have you done so in your comments here?

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      Ignorance is bliss 5 years ago

      How can something be normal if last year, there wasn't any dense cloud formation and no persistent contrails. All of a sudden air traffic just double from a few months. Other areas of these country were not affected by persistent contrails and now all of a sudden contrails are covering there blue skies. I'm not seeking answers or explanations. I know exactly what's going on.

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      Steve Andrews 5 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      I have heard people saying stuff like you are doing many times before but have personally not seen anything that cannot be explained as normal air traffic and cloud formation. The contrailscience website which invites people to send in their questions about 'chemtrails' hasn't either and neither has my friend JazzRoc. That is a mystery don't you think that out of countless reports, videos and photos none have made anyone who knows about atmospheric science and aviation stop and wonder what is going on? It appears that it is only you chemtrail-believers that can see a problem!

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      Ignorance is bliss 5 years ago

      Well from my experience you can obviously tell that these airplanes select certain areas they want to cover with contrails. I've also notice that they are more concern with covering the Sun. So coverage is more dense than normal and about the Cirrus clouds, they don't even look like the pictures I've seen in the internet. You can even see the airplanes make several passes in the same area until the skies are completely cover with white dense clouds. These clouds look like platforms in the sky and not wispy lines cover by Cirrus clouds. Like I said before my town looks polluted. I don't even live close to the big city. The mountain side looks more and more foggy gray with low visibility and I already know about the other countries you mention.

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      Steve Andrews 5 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      Please do some more research! Most other countries have experienced the phenomenon and that is why 'chemtrail' reports are not just from America at all but from Canada, the UK, Germany, Italy, Spain and many other places. I have seen the skies covered with trails and cloud in the UK and here in Tenerife off the northern coast of Africa. Perhaps Americans tend to report them more though. The only way we will have clear skies again is if a lot less air traffic occurs and that isn't looking very likely what with more airports being built and existing ones made bigger.

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      Ignorance is bliss 5 years ago

      I have been to other countries and I have not seen this phenomenon of Cirrus clouds forming from contrails. So what you are saying is that persistent contrails only occur in America because of increased air traffic. So other countries are fortunate, because their airplanes do not produce contrails and do not pollute their air with Cirrus clouds. What's the difference between this country and others, it's only one planet with the same atmospheric elements. I'd rather see clear skies, as I've seen in other parts of the world.

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      Steve Andrews 5 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      No, this is a myth that contrails dissipate quickly! They can take a long time and that is why they are called persistent contrails. Please read the link below from which this quote is taken: "One of the environmental impacts of aviation is that persistent contrails can form into large mats of cirrus, and increased air traffic has been implicated as one possible cause of the increasing number of cirrus clouds." From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cirrus_cloud

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      Ignorance is bliss 5 years ago

      So on sunny days and clear skies, we are fortunate to see more contrails than usual because they are in the right conditions. So What you are saying is that contrails should dissipate much faster than what I see currently. So Why are these contrails spreading into white clouds and polluting our atmosphere if it's only made of moisture laden? Our mountains are no longer visible in any direction when the moisture conditions are met.

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      Steve Andrews 5 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      Down here we cannot see the invisible layers in the sky. They are different. Some are moisture laden. Planes move from one to another but we cannot see that. Planes produce contrails when they are at the right altitude and under the right conditions. Otherwise they don't!

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      Ignorance is bliss 5 years ago

      I've notice when a storm is coming and the rain clouds are moving in to cover our skies. I don't see any airplanes with contrails, does that mean that all the airplanes just don't produce contrails on a rainy day, especially when The stratosphere is much colder.

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      Steve Andrews 5 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      Two things have happened: firstly there are far far more planes up there and secondly the climate is changing all over the planet so weather patterns are messed up! Where I live we are suffering from an ongoing drought.

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      Ignorance is bliss 5 years ago

      So what happen to our Blue Skies? Every time I look up there is nothing but white clouds and airplanes spraying contrails as you say it. Most of the time there is an overcast of these clouds covering our Sun, but no drizzle or rain?

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      Steve Andrews 5 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      Far above where you are is not the same temperature at all. It is very cold up there! Planes go over areas that are nowhere near airports. Contrails remain and give a false impression from the ground.

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      Ignorance is bliss 5 years ago

      I know contrails are form from cold air up in the atmosphere. Can you explain how in a hot dry climate do contrails form and engulf our blue skies with white clouds. I don't even live next to a major airport and increase traffic does not make any sense, because these airplanes don't leave the area. They circulate back and forth, I say these because I see them all the time. Where I live nothing blocks my view of the sky, there isn't a lot of houses. It's a small town and I can see everything.

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      Steve Andrews 5 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      It may well have done but that is no proof of chemtrails, rather it is evidence of increased air traffic, persistent contrails and cirrus cloud.

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      Ignorance is bliss 5 years ago

      I live in the middle of nowhere. But airplane traffic has increase since 2012. Planes criss-cross and form these white clouds. At sundown the mountains look polluted and I can't see them clearly as I use too, especially the fact that I live far away from the City.

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      Steve Andrews 5 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      Even stranger how people like you can come up with sheer nonsense like that! But perhaps not because maybe a lot of you chemtrail belirvers and conspiracy theorists prefer believing in fantasies to reality?

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      Flamingo 5 years ago

      I think Bard of ely and Jazz roc's is the same man. Just has a split peronality. And if not Bard of ely would rather take notice of Jazz and agree and suck up to him like a little puppy.But when he has read reports ect from proffessional all these years before and still did not agree. Very strange!

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      Steve Andrews 5 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      You need to do some research: the air traffic has increased tremendously! Why do you think they are building new airports all the time? That IS a big part of the problem because it all adds to the amount of water being dumped up there! The planes are not unmarked but it is simply you cannot see anything on them due to blue light scattering effect. You appear to be a typical chemtrail-believer that makes the standard mistakes, accepts the chemtrail belief propaganda and refuse to accept the opinion of anyone that counters that belief! So it is probably a waste of time arguing with you. If you wish to carry on with your paranoia that is up to you! I can only offer once again as I have done so many times: go and have a look at the contrailscience site where all is explained in great detail.

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      jwebb 5 years ago

      i've seen many airline planes in sacramento, CA and even as a kid i never saw those white lines(i only saw the contrails from military jets as sacramento had 2 air force bases so i saw a lot of military jets), now we only have 1 active base and the very few times i saw a trail the trail was maybe 2 inches long(im looking from the ground)and never stayed in the air for more than a minute. What gets me is the planes making the trails are unmarked and are commercial airline jets, i've seen these planes change directions(if you know anything about aviation, planes fly straight to their destination and dont make what look like X's or tic tac toe in the sky. im writing this from my lunch break at work and as i was walking back i saw a commercial plane that had no trails coming out of it...also i find it hard to believe 10 years ago there was less air traffic, 11 years ago 9/11 happened and we all know everyone was scared to fly again. so the statement about it being more air traffic is nonesense.

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      Steve Andrews 6 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      There's nothing to research seeing as chemtrails don't even exist!

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      Bryan396 6 years ago

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      Steve Andrews 6 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      Aluminium is what makes clay. Clay is all over the planet and when dry forms clay dust. This obviously goes into the air in windy conditions. When I was a child there was a big pond I used to catch newts in. The reason that pond existed was because it was in an area of mostly clay soil and this is in a large park. People don't take air and water samples there and then worry because aluminium was detected. Of course it would be as it is a major constituent of clay. Any geologist would know that but chemtrail-believers are not geologists and are not scientists so they know very little about the make up of the planet, about atmospheric conditions or optical effects, however, they are keen to pass on unscientific knowledge, paranoia and unsubstantiated reports. They are at the same time unwilling to listen to scientists and official people who claim that there are no chemtrails.

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      OpeningMinds 6 years ago

      Yes Aluminum is all over the planet, but it is not naturally in the form of tiny particles that you breath in from the air. Just to clear things up a little, I didn't say that they said they wish to harm anyone, what I said was they said they are adding and want to continue adding these elements to the environment. For a more relevant example maybe I should use this one: You are tired of eating the same old thing, so you say that you want to eat something new, then you go and eat something new.

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      Steve Andrews 6 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      They are "think tanks" - in other words ideas! Aluminium is all over the planet anyway but chemtrail- believers seem to ignore this fact and demonise the element. I could find plenty of aluminium in soil and water samples and it didn't come from planes.The whole idea of chemtrails as a feasible programme makes less and less sense to me the more I look at it in terms of cost, practicality of application, evidence for in all these years, number of insiders who have whistle-blown on the subject, and finally, and perhaps the most important of all, evidence of any one actually being seriously harmed or dying from being exposed to contrails and cirrus cloud a long way above them in over a decade! If you wish to believe in this, in my opinion nonsense, then be my guest! I have a lot better things to occupy my time on! Where amongst the words of any of the "think tanks" does any one say they wish to harm anyone?

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      OpeningMinds 6 years ago

      Even when these groups, or maybe better put as "think tanks" say that they are adding and want to continue adding these elements to the environment, you want to deny what they say? That makes no sense, that's like saying Hitler did not cause genocide on the Jews even though he preached it. If someone threatens to harm you are you going to believe that they could harm you and protect yourself or tell yourself that they didn't really mean to say that? Let me tell you from experience if someone says they want to harm you, you better prepare yourself because that is what they mean to do.

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      Steve Andrews 6 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      I actually don't agree that any analysis that can be really checked out has been done anywhere but rather a lot of paranoid info is being passed along by people who have very little understanding of atmospheric phenomena which actually account for all the so-called chemtrail reports! there is no "mixture" but just contrails and cirrus cloud from them worldwide being reported as chemtrails. As for the crap about aluminium it is, as I have repeatedly stated, a very common naturally occurring element all over the planet! In many ways I am amazed with myself that I once bought into this belief system! It is actually very simple: there are a hell of a lot more planes up there than ever before. They leave persistent contrails and usually these spread and create cirrus cloud cover. That's it! Everything else is a conspiracy theory/meme with very little actual evidence!

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      OpeningMinds 6 years ago

      Bard of Ely - Did you ever think that maybe there is a different mixture in the chemtrails being sprayed over South Whales, a mixture that might actually benefit the environment? Was there ever any analysis of substance fall out from the chemtrails over South Whales? How can you make an intelligent decision or belief without bothering to do the required research? There has been substance fall out analysis in various parts of the US which prove that at least some of the con/chemtrails do have harmful contaminants to the environment and life.

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      flidhais 6 years ago

      I feel like I'm way behind since I only recently learned the term "chemtrail" but I had noticed my garden gradually doing worse and worse especially over the last two years. And other ppl also mentioned the same thing. I went hunting online and found the zillion chemtrail sites. I've been called a "crazy crap-spiracy" nut and even "defriended" by ppl who just couldn't grasp the concept I guess. Couldn't see how HAARP could apply either and apparently wanted "me" to personally educate them I guess, so they could call me a "crap-spiracist" again. I've been online so much now that I am wondering how I stay awake even...lol But I'm learning. Just glad I don't live in a city since they seem to get the most spray.

      What do you think of this video? "Ex Govt Employee (CIA Insider) talks about CHEMTRAILS on THE POWER HOUR" It's 44+ min long and I'm trying to watch it since I'd like to send the link to others but it's taking me hours to view..I only have dial up and I actually "unplug" after I am off the net. Not paranoid or anything.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedd...

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      Steve Andrews 6 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      I have read all that before which has been copied and pasted! I do not believe it is acceptable or verifiable as evidence but is just another part of the chemtrail belief system.

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      Mushainzenkoans 6 years ago

      Chemtrails are most certainly real.But,there is nothing sinister in what they are doing.They are attempting to avert a global cartography."Authorized by Congress and sponsored by the National Academy of Sciences, a monumental and in-depth study on global warming and possible corrective measures (mitigations) was undertaken in the early 1990s. Represented were senior researchers, faculty, theoreticians, atmospheric scientists, department heads and CEO's from a multitude of prestigious institutions. The Smithsonian, Harvard, General Motors, Cambridge, MIT, Yale, World Resources Institute, National Center for Atmospheric Research, the Secretary General of the United Nations, Oxford, Brookings Institution, Columbia University, Oak Ridge National Laboratory, Carnegie-Mellon University, Princeton University, Brown University, Lawrence Livermore Laboratory, and many more. This colossal study recalls the scope, expense and secrecy of the Manhattan Project, yet the goals and eventual impacts of it are far greater."They are trying to fix our failing ozone and overabundance of co2. [link to www.lightwatcher.com] "Why all the secrecy?

      Due to the severity of the situation it is mandatory to maintain public calm for as long as possible. The Earth is dying. Humanity is on the road to extinction - without the Shield mankind will die off with in 20 to 50 years. Most people alive today could live to see this extinction take place. This means that an announcement of the situation we face boils down to telling every man, woman and child on earth that they have no future, they are going to be killed. People would panic. There would be economic collapse, the production and movement of goods would collapse. Millions would die in all cities on earth, riots and violence would reduce civilian centers to rubble within days. Half of the population in dense metropolitan areas would try to leave the cities seeking 'safety' in the rural areas thinking that they would be safe. Those left behind in the cities would be at war with their neighbors, fighting for the remaining supplies. We would be telling the world that the world is coming to an end, and even with the Shield the chances of survival are small."

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      Steve Andrews 6 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      I hope you find the site of interest! the guy who runs it welcomes chemtrail-believers feedback and questions!

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      tugbo200-5 6 years ago

      Thanks for reply and i will check out the contrail science site.I also read all you write,very interesting.

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      Steve Andrews 6 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      Well, I have watched What on Earth Are They Spraying and was not impressed so am surprised so many people are pushing it as if at last they have the proof they were looking for. What is this ground-breaking info? It comes over to me as a sensational, biased and cobbled together film that is no better than a mainstream media report and fails to prove anything more than there are a lot of willing chemtrail believers out there! Have you spent any time on the contrailscience site where all the phenomena are explained? I highly recommend it.

      And no, it wasn't in the "blink of an eye" at all if you read my article you will see that doubts were creeping in when I was on holiday in Cardiff and finding no evidence of ill health to the population or the flora and fauna under heavily trailed skies!

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      tugbo200-5 6 years ago

      Bard

      Believe it or not I have respect for you.

      but for the life of me I can't understand for someone who claims they have researched the subject,and you say you are tired of people sending you "you tube" links,then you had to of watched "what in the world are they spraying".

      This documentary has more then enough proof we are being poisoned,unless of course you are saying all the scientist,doctors,professors,engineers,biologist are all liars.

      You were a firm believer in it before then in the blink of an eye you now go with ice crystals.I do know contrails are ice crystals but what we see today are Cemtrails.I also believe I will get a reply on the rude side ,like I'm bored with this or something in that order,no problem I got broad shoulders,

      Also ,if you ever go to Mount Shasta don't eat the snow.Have a good day.

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      Steve Andrews 6 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      JazzRoc makes sense unlike a lot of the chemtrail belief system which offers no proof that can be verified or cannot be explained! As I now keep saying go to the Contrail Science site where everything is explained and Uncinus who runs it welcomes hearing from chemtrailers! I am, as I say, bored of it all because there is nothing to explain, nothing to fear and I have better things to do with my time than argue about the reality or non-reality of chemtrails! If you want to spend your days worrying about the matter that is up to you!

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      tugbo200-5 6 years ago

      JazzRoc's ego is bigger then the chemtrail issue,your weakness proves it.

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      Steve Andrews 6 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      Yes all the chemtrail believers who post insane comments about JazzRoc a guy none of you know in person and are making stuff up about as you have just done! I know JazzRoc as I have repeatedly said and he doesn't "work for them" at all, in fact he gets a pension and when all this nonsense started was working a part-time community gardener. Chemtrail believers were posting rubbish about him online and then wonder why he loses his temper!

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      TreZay 6 years ago

      YOU PEOPLE?

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      Steve Andrews 6 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      You people never cease to amaze me with the nonsense you say and believe about JazzRoc. But thanks for posting anyway!

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      TreZay 6 years ago

      Its simple. Jazzrock works for them. They will make a million sites and report the incorrect to make you go.....ooooo fuk it. We got to be very careful of what we read. Keep spreading the words Bard. But be careful. Blessings Flow

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      Steve Andrews 6 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      Have a look at contrailscience site. It is all explained on there. They have been seen before lots of times.

      http://contrailscience.com/thirty-contrails-forty-...

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      Jane 6 years ago

      Okay. Why are these long lasting contrails not seen before. I thought chemtrails were bunkum until I looked myself and saw hundreds of contrails that just stayed there and we are in a relatively unpopulated area. What the? It has ALWAYS been very cold up there - why no ice crystals before?

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      Steve Andrews 6 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      I heard all that two years ago! If you had read this hub you would know that I do not believe in chemtrails, in fact the way that chemtrail believers keep rehashing stuff based on very little evidence at all - I saw the Evergreen website when I was investigating this years back and it shows no evidence of chemtrails - proves to me what a load of rubbish I now think the subject is!

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      Sky Queen 6 years ago

      The planes are mostly white with some have red on them.

      There is a No. but no name like commercial planes like USA on them.

      They are from Evergreen Air.

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      Steve Andrews 6 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      Thanks for your comments, YankeeRoo! I just wish to add that I don't believe in chemtrails now and thought I had explained that in the article in the section: Update a change of belief.

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      YankeeRoo 6 years ago from Sydney AUSTRALIA

      Bard

      This is a most interesting and intriguing hub. At first when you mentioned the name of the quack of 'David Icke' I thought this was going to be another garbage hub of hype, but later with references to Discovery and other credible people you redeemed yourself.

      Still, the idea that commercial aircraft are intentionally polluting the skies is a bit far fetched - and I don't believe there are sufficient military aircraft flying everywhere to produce sufficient quantities of chemtrails to substantiate the webbing that the hub implies.

      Still, one can never really trust the governments of this world. And yes we are probably a bit over populated.

      Should the government have a culling programme? Sure, why not, let's start with these government nut cases and then move onto the drug traffickers and violent criminals.

      As always, I enjoy your hubs! :)

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      Steve Andrews 6 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      I have a hub about Monsanto entitled Why are millions against Monsanto? and I hate the company but I don't think they have anything to do with persistent contrails which as far as I am concerned are what people are seeing.

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      Concerned Human 6 years ago

      Yea - mainly the odd plane traffic is the clincher - these are more likely drone aircraft - doing weather experimentation and possibly worse - Look into Monsanto developing aluminum resistant seeds - In case you dont know Monsanto wants to flat out OWN FOOD - period

      they want to completely control everything that is meant for human consumption - its not hard to see how these 2 phenomenons cross paths -

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      Steve Andrews 6 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      I can't! I wasn't there and don't know the flight paths or the traffic over your area that day but that does not stop me being sure that there were no chemtrails because I don't believe they exist. I can suggest that what appears to you to be "right behind each other" was probably an optical illusion and there was a great deal of space between them. I have seen this sort of thing happen here as it happens with several planes one after another all leaving trails. I assumed it was because the airport here is very busy at times or that planes from elsewhere were going over this airspace. There are a very great number of planes in the skies today. Maybe the `planes you saw were non commercial planes, possibly military but so what? Planes of all descriptions leave persistent contrails under the right conditions!

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      Country Girl 6 years ago

      how do you explain the odd plane traffic? And the planes were one right behind eachother, really close. That does not happen with commerical traffic.

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      Steve Andrews 6 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      Yes, JazzRoc showed me the errors in my thinking and conclusions. I was simply wrong. As for what you have described it would appear to be a description of persistent contrails and a non-persistent contrail at a different layer in the sky. I don't see anything to be concerned about in that. Yes, the sky does get covered in the "stuff" which is ice crystals.

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      Country Girl 6 years ago

      Okay, if chemtrails are not real, why did i see several jets making cross patterns across the sky where I live yesterday? The jets that normally fly past go in the same jet pattern from east to west every day. They do not go all over the place. Also, these jets were leaving long trails of expanding clouds in the sky. Then I saw a regular jet in its normal pattern, with a contrail that immediately dissipated. Not like the ones doing the cross patterns. The whole sky eventually was covered in this stuff they were emitting. All I know is what I saw with my own eyes. Funny how you changed you tune. Someone help you change your mind?

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      Steve Andrews 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      I am glad to have brought the matter to your attention! Thank you for posting!

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      mandatory retirement 7 years ago

      I have never heard or read about chemtrails or contrails before reading this article. One of the best pieces of information on this hub is to do your own research. While I haven't done any research yet, my gut reaction to this information is mixed.

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      Steve Andrews 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      Will, I have heard JazzRoc say exactly the same! I don't find it very "frightening" to believe that there are lying scientists. I treat it as a fact of life - there are liars in all walks of life and many do very well at it! Are you trying to tell me that companies like Monsanto do not lie?

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      Will Apse 7 years ago

      I imagine it must be frightening if you believe many scientists lie and you don't have the basic background knowledge to check.

      The truth is science is one of most reliable sources of information when it comes to the physical world. Some creatures of the drug companies may peddle half-truths but for most scientists their reputation is everything. Get caught in an outright lie and that is the end of a career.

      Who will turn in the liars? Every other scientist on the planet. Nothing is more loathed in science than fabrication or people who just want to get ahead, talent or no talent.

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      Steve Andrews 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      If you read what I have posted all the way through you would see that I agree with you! I agree there are no chemtrails!

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      Haha98 7 years ago

      There is no such thing you all smoke to much cannibis and now you are all paranoid. FACT give it a rest

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      JK 7 years ago

      The "Contrails" or "Chemtrails" or whatever names you call them are one of the ways to awaken you during The Earth's Great Change. 2012 is true but the change does not begin December 21, 2012-it begins now and already started a few years ago. 2012 is just the beginning of a new earth. First, the Earth has to go through a change resulting in most of the world's population wiped out. Remember all those who will pass do not die. Remember also that before coming in to this life, you knew that this would happen even though you do not remember. Do not let people convince you that this change is happening because God hates us. That is not true. The change is now. The Mayans knew it and other ancient civilizations as well. Please wake up because space ships or basically "Alien crafts" mostly do not resemble the usual sketch you see in magazines or books and model/special effects you see in the movies. What I'm trying to say is the white cloudy lines you see in the sky are vehicles (sure they look like jets/planes) but space vehicles that are trying to show you who and what they are by coming in to the third dimension; we are just like "them" so, we cannot call "them" Aliens. We are them and they are us. The vehicles already made transitions past the fourth dimension and beyond. Planes, jets or any flying machine in the sky from the airlines, military or the government are not the cause of the white cloudy lines. If you look close at these vehicles for a long time, you'll see that they dematerialize. This is because the vehicles have to materialize in the third dimension for us to see them. Also these white line sometime start in the middle of the town/city where there is no runway or they take off suddenly in the middle of the sky; or the vehicles seem to descend into thin air. We are all on a different frequency or level of frequency. Dimensions are levels of frequencies. That is why we cannot see anything past the third dimension unless the vehicles materialize in our dimension (third). Now is the time that we will all begin to see if you have not already because the new frequencies will allow us; past the veil and illusion that is the truth of who we are. The third dimension is where we are now. The fourth dimension is the spiritual world -what people see and go during a near "death" experience. We are never born and will never die. We are all energy and made a choice to all live together on Earth. Earth is a project. I will tell you more and I can answer your questions better if you respond with a question first. You have to listen to me. This world is not real. We all lived many lives reincarnating from the spiritual world which is the practice and rest period in the fourth dimension and the actual experience for learning in the third dimension. We choose are parents, siblings, friends, companions, good and bad moments, sex, ethnicity and so on. "Deja Vu" happens because we are remembering scanning life review and moments we practiced in the forth dimension before coming in. 2012 is a grand scale plan to raise the level of consciousness -the energy and or frequency to transition to the Fifth dimension. The Gaia Project 2012 -The Earth's Coming Great Changes by Hwee-Yong Jang is the book you need to get and read now and then read it over and over again. Please remember that God loves everyone. Don't let others tell you otherwise because this is and was always part of a plan that is Earth. When the Earth's change gets really strong and bad such as the weather changing; earthquakes/floods/tornados/hurricanes/sickness/"global warming"/ volcano eruptions/oil spills/ riots/recession/increase of crime/people dying of "unknown" causes/violent wind speeds -people who say and tell you that they can save you from God's "punishment" are lost. This is not a punishment and a time to be lost. This book is important and you have to spread the word and love. Please do not have fear for love is very important always and forever...

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      Toronto12 7 years ago from Toronto

      there's a new documentary about chem trails coming out soon called - "What in the world are they spraying"...

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      Steve Andrews 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      Mathhew, I have explained in full why I came to see that JazzRoc was indeed right about the trails and what they consist of. I have had no reason to see any evidence anywhere since to convince me otherwise. As for other beliefs, JazzRoc and I are poles apart. I believe fully in a God for starters!

      Thank you for your feedback on the subject!

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      Matthew 7 years ago

      Bard, I don't know why you give any credit to a man such as JazzRock. He is a typical Dawkins atheist, who insists that anyone who believes in God is stupid, ignorant, and evil, despite the fact that most of us know many of the most prominent scientists in history have either been full on theists, or have denied atheism, preferring to remain agnostic or deistic. I myself am a member of Mensa, which puts me in the top 2 percentile for intelligence in the entire world, yet I fully believe there is a creator of our universe. Any time I am insulted by an atheist who makes such claims of lack of intelligence or education, I immediately put them on ignore, because anything else that comes out of their mouth is going to be tainted by that ignorant world view. Any time they begin to shoot their mouths off about 'facts' this, 'proof' that, I just remmeber that anyone can boast that they have the facts and the proof, and it may even often appear that way on the surface, but it would be irresponsible of you to just take a few pages of web copy as facts or proof of anything. Take molecules to man evolution. According to people such as JazzRock, its a fact, with absolute proof. Yet, even Dawkins is forced to admit: The account of the origin of life that I shall give is necessarily speculative; by definition, nobody was around to see what happened. - The Selfish Gene (1989) p.14

      Dawkins, like myself, knows that you cannot really ever prove molecules to man evolution, because, contrary to the Scientific Method, you cannot observe it in action. That is why he says our origins are speculative, while arguing vehemently that its true fact, and anyone who disagrees is an idiot. People such as JazzRock are wholely deluded by a world view that simply refuses to believe in God. Facts have nothing to do with it. It's about emotionalism. It's not hard to see that when you read the types of things they say.

      That being said, I got out of my car this morning in Washington D.C. to go walk into the office where I work, and the sky was literally covered in the offending trails - chemtrails? persistent contrails? I don't truly know what they are, but they are very suspicious. There wasn't a spot on the sky that wasn't covered by them. I do know this much. The vast majority of the people on this earth, and particularly this country, are living in denial. They remind me of the band that kept playing music as the Titanic was sinking. They implicitly trust their government, despite agreeing that politicians are corrupt. They agree that "other countries" do unspeakably evil things, and most know that history is rife with evils perpetrated by entire governments and nations, yet - not in this country! Our government would never do that! You conspiracy theorist nut job!

      I for one consider myself awake. As the founding fathers of the U.S. were, I have a healthy distrust of governments of all kinds. Everyone should. You are a fool if you trust any government, democratic, or not. Power does indeed corrupt. And there are men and women who have and will continue to do great evils. Even in the U.S., history has shown this to be true - Small Pox infected blankets, Japanese concentration camps, The only nation in the world to ever nuke cities filled with civilians - TWICE!

      The U.S. speak like a lamb, but has the horns of a dragon.

      Wake up!

      I will end on this note - A favorite quote of mine from the 19th century - If everyone is against you, you are either absolutely wrong, or absolutely right!

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      Steve Andrews 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      I clicked the link and it appeared to be about a very large sum of money being spent on 100 planes. I must admit I couldn't really see exactly what you were driving at but I am tired having been out all day. I agree that 'normal' blue skies are much better though. The answer is for there to be a lot less planes but that's like saying we need a lot less cars - we do but try telling car manufacturers and car-buyers that!

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      Sem 7 years ago

      If you click the link you will see the type of secrets I refer to. Everyone must keep an open-mind until this type of evidence is made transparent.

      In the meantime an alternative needs to be provided like making the case for clear skies: increasing light levels, increasing air purity, increasing photosynthesis & crop yield & global production.

      This type of action will indirectly bring scrutiny on the reason for & types of air trafic that are causing such overcast days - the very thing the chemtrail supporters, yourself & I all agree: that the deep blue skies are preferable.

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      Steve Andrews 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      A simple answer is there is nothing for them to reveal and there is no secrecy over the matter. The sky has many many more planes and they leave loads of persistent contrails made up of ice crystals and these eoften form cirrus cloud. To my mind, that's it, end of debate! What conspiracy is there there?

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      Sem 7 years ago

      JazzRoc, Bard of Ely I don't know if you were friends to begin with,

      regardless isn't the whole issue the secrecy that is maintained such as this:

      http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstech...

      Discussion is pointless right if we are only proved right after the act has happened... like "great now I know how I got cancer" - like this can ever be justified...

      The real issue is the real-time release of information from officials to anyone who is interested. If said officials can't or are not able to discuss & be persuasive on these issues then they are exposing preliminary flaws & should be ANSWERABLE for, let alone putting this into practice...

      Clearly this isue has the interest of many now so why isn't information made available. If it's in the interest of National Security etc etc why can't they convince the people they explain it to of this - like they were convinced in the first place. When did it ever become acceptable for one person to lie (omission) to another...

      Conspiracy theories are completely justiable & commendable in Today's climate - this is reason enough to endorse Chemtrails as real...

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      Steve Andrews 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      Thank you for the info, JazzRoc!

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      JazzRoc 7 years ago

      The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has estimated that aviation’s total climate impact is some 2-4 times that of its CO2 emissions alone (excluding the potential impact of cirrus cloud enhancement). This is measured as radiative forcing. While there is uncertainty about the exact level of impact of NOx, SOx and water vapour, governments have accepted the broad scientific view that they do have an effect. Accordingly, more recent UK government policy statements have stressed the need for aviation to address its total climate change impacts and not simply the impact of CO2.

      The IPCC has estimated that aviation is responsible for around 3.5% of anthropogenic climate change, a figure which includes both CO2 and non-CO2 induced effects.

      Another way of looking at this, therefore, is that 96.5% of anthropogenic global warming is NOT due to aviation.

      If we are "turning up the oven" by all our OTHER activities to the extent of 96.5%, we had better concentrate on THOSE. No?

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      Steve Andrews 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      Just to answer a couple of points: the Chinese weather manipulation was simply localised cloud-seeding - hardly a danger to the world or an example of what are called "chemtrails."

      I remember very well skies as they were and we still get them so the only new factor really is the vast increase in planes up there and the amount of water that can crystallise into ice.

      I also suggest you read JazzRoc's blog or Contrail Science if you have not done so.

      I remain convinced there is no danger from persistent contrails or cirrus covered skies apart from that they cut out light and may trap heat.

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      bravestheart 7 years ago

      I appreciate everyone's input.Here's mine:I have been researching the chemtrail subject for over 15 years.I had the opportunity to discuss the issue and put forward questions at the 2006 CDC International Conference in Atlanta ,Ga.If anyone has the filmed copy of the conference,do respond,I feel sure my segment of posed questions has been deleted;the conference was brought to an extremely abrupt halt and early lunch break ensued with time still left in the question and answer period.After having a dialogue with the EPD in Atlanta for over 6 months, I was given the opportunity to give a presentation for a panel.This event is what gave me the road and direction to the CDC conference. In the early 90's ,Hughes Aircraft applied for a patent ,search it: Stratospheric Welsbach Seeding For Reduction Of Global Warming.The patent clearly describes aluminum oxide and barium to be used for reflectivity,barium is 5 times more refractive than glass and the aluminum oxide as a radient barrier.Lot's of specific details were given as to the VISUAL RESULT. Ok,let's move on.The Olympics in China heralded in front page news articles HIGHLIGHTING their use of weather modification techniques to make sure they had dry weather for the games.This information was front page news folks. Weather modification ,geoengineering and cloudseeding are commonly accepted phrases and words in the field of atmospheric sciences today. None of these words or phrases hold any "conspiracy values" when discussed amongst the individuals who are in the field,,,NONE of THEM!!!The word "chemtrail" is not acknowledged in the "academic" field of atmospheric sciences ladies and gents. Let's keep going.Having enjoyed a lifetime of airshows and recreational flying since I was in my teens, my curiosity peeked in the early 90's with this new development in the skies. Let me state it this way,"If any of you reading this are in your early teens,you are the only ones who would be able to geninely say the skies are ,And have been, fiiled with "CONTRAILS" that quickly dissipate in a very short distance off a planes rear area and some, that are very long,that can be seen starting and stopping and cover up a clear blue sky and criss coss one another and happen within a certain interval or intervals of a day. However;if anybody reading this is let's say over thirty five years of age and does not have the memory to decisively recollect the way the sky appeared when jets flew through it ,,,,Kinda like in the 80's ,70's,60's ,,,I'll stop at this point,,,There are far bigger challenges for you ahead than discussing the technical elements and proof positive of geoengineering operations . I am close to the end here. I do not question the position that are skies are being filled with more than just jet fuel exaust when we witness the "PERSISTANT CONSPUGE" or whatever phrase that makes the discusiion more palatable when it is discussed.My question is what is it for and is it harmful to my health if I wish to go for a jog or a bicycle ride during a criss cross tic-tac-toe spray session. Depopulation? HAARP/Tesla techtonic,anti-enemy radar stealth shield,better conditions for high tech plasma powered antigravity aircraft or maybe we would all die from the intense rays of the sun without it.I do "not" know for sure what it is for,but I do know that anyone who says, "That's what planes DO",is either "A" in their early teens "B" a misinformation agent or "C" seriously riddled with some serious memory problems. The people who have the power to either use remote spray planes or get the stuff into in the tanks of commercial airliners also have the power to silence "almost" all commercial pilots,unless there are some in their early teens that I am not aware of. Hey ,I watched a recent news story of a flight controller letting his kids take to the mic for some early experience.I think he has run into some problems for doing this. I hope you all will take a personal inventory of simply the years that have passed and the beautiful skies that have gone with them.I PRAY to GOD that whatever has been the "CAUSE" of lucid individuals losing their recollection of THE SKIES IN PLAIN SIGHT of yesteryear and the simple science behind the dissipating contrails of those years that amazed us as children,,,,,,THAT IT BE BANISHED THIS VERY MOMENT !!!!! AMEN May great health be with you all in the years ahead!!!

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      Steve Andrews 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      Did you read the hub above? JazzRoc is a friend of mine and got me to see the error of my ways.

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      TrutherD1 7 years ago

      Check my vids. This is not normal. JazzRoc is well-known disinfo, BTW.

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      JazzRoc 8 years ago

      nojustno:

      "bard you are so easily swayed" - Not in my experience. We had an argument which lasted several months, won by myself on the point of ice haloes never occurring in a "dusty" atmosphere..

      "911 was genocide" - No, it was terrorism.

      "the powers that be only look at us as slaves and that's why we live longer" - The first part of that has been true since pre-history. The reason why we live longer is that we have benefited from four hundred years of SCIENCE.

      "jazzric has such an inflated ego he must be a fox reporter" - I reckon that anyone who makes pronouncements without correct (or any) information has an inflated ego.

      "and he worked on so many projects like concord ha what with all his education that's all he has done for mankind basically helped pollute the world." - Not at all. Today's jets are clean and efficient. I have worked also on the ethernet technology that powers the web. My last work before my retirement was on the Ford "Think" electric car.

      Try not to be so consistently WRONG.

      sasina06:

      "Mind control techniques use associations to intelligence and the clever "scientist" to convince people something is right." - They may do. But knowledge of the science of the atmosphere is available to YOU. You merely have to use a LIBRARY. You can check every one of my statements THERE.

      "Disbelievers of conspiracy theories want to align themselves to this plot to keep their self-worth high." - A statement entirely true of believers. "People who resist this form of mind control are deemed stupid or mental or belonging to a terrorist organization." - I'm not sure about the latter, but the former part is true, isn't it? You HAVEN'T gone to a library to check out the facts about air travel and the atmosphere - have you?

      "This response is part of the mind control agenda. Research and development is in itself driven by propaganda and corruption" - What, co-operative research led by multi-national groups of scientists? How might THAT be achieved?

      "you have to be free from over-education to see through the persistent half-truths we are given." - That's the deadliest advocacy for ignorance I have witnessed in a while. Science is available to all of us. It is based on observable facts which are quite unlike your malevolent innuendo.

      "It is the moderately-educated and those free from mind-controlled beliefs systems such as nothing exists unless there is evidence for it who can join the dots better." - NO-ONE ever controlled MY belief system. Seems like somebody's controlling YOURS.

      "Listen to them as they have free-thinking ability and intuition." - Ah, something true at last.

      "Real scientists often just churn out contrived rubbish like politicians to pacify the masses." - The reputation of scientists depends on the lasting nature of their work. Any scientist doing what YOU think they do would be out of business in NO time.

      It seems your "moderate education" is INADEQUATE. Rectify this.

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      Steve Andrews 8 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      Well, I am glad to have brought the matter to your attention! Thanks for posting!

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      creativeMind 8 years ago from Cochin

      i haven't heard about this before.

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      Steve Andrews 8 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      Thanks for posting! BTW it may surprise you to know that David de Rothschild, a man that conspiracy theorists do not approve of, agrees that the persistent cloud cover is a threat and says so in his book The Global Warming Survival Handbook. He calls the trails contrails though as do I now. Here's David: "Contrails - those pretty, white water-vapour ribbons in the sky - trap heat in the atmosphere as efficiently as CO2 does and may also encourage the formation of heat-trapping, high altitude cirrus clouds."

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      sasina06 8 years ago

      Mind control techniques use associations to intelligence and the clever "scientist" to convince people something is right. Disbelivers of conspiracy theories want to align themselves to this plot to keep their self worth high. People who resist this form of mind control are deemed stupid or mental or belonging to a terrorist organization. This response is part of the mind control agenda. Research and development is in itself driven by propaganda and corruption and you have to be free from over education to see through the persistent half truths we are given.It is the moderately educated and those free from mind controlled beliefs systems such as nothing exists unless there is evidence for it who can join the dots better. Listen to them as they have free thinking ability and intuition. Real scientists often just churn out contrived rubbish like politicians to pacify the masses.

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      futonfraggle 8 years ago

      Not yet. I'm going to swing over there now. You've written about a lot of interesting topics. I'm about to dive in!

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      Steve Andrews 8 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      Thanks futonfraggle! Have you seen my other hub on the subject?

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      futonfraggle 8 years ago

      Great hub, Bard. I fall into the first category, too. I guess that makes me a loon ;)

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      nojustno 8 years ago

      bard you are so easily swayed 911 was genocide the powers that be only look at us as slaves and that's why we live longer jazzric has such an inflated ego he must be a fox reporter and he worked on so many projects like concord ha what with all his education that's all he has done for mankind basically helped pollute the world.

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      Steve Andrews 8 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      As I have explained before JazzRoc is none of the things people claim he is! He is someone I know personally and have met many times and actually worked on music with as well as having enjoyed walks around the island here. But people post other opinions about him when they know nothing about him apart from the fact that he does not believe in chemtrails.

      If you read what I have written you will find that my belief in the subject was already on shaky grounds when I found that the air in South Wales under "chemtrailed" skies was cleaner than usual not badly polluted. At the time I couldn't understand this as I had been led to believe by chemtrailers that the air was being poisoned. Clearly it was not the case. I have not seen any evidence for chemtrails as a reality apart from all the videos, photos, reports etc by chemtrail believers and what I used to think were chemtrails. I have concluded that the chemtrail belief system is a disinformation campaign itself and a very successful one.

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      bozena 8 years ago

      Bard of Ely, i still can't believe how easily you've been pushed over.

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      bozena 8 years ago

      JazzRoc is a well known DISINFORMIST. He magically appears at any discussion of atmospheric manipulation discussion and thwarts it with local fallacy pseudo-science, mostly released as countermeasures to chemtrail discussion. BEWARE!!

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      Steve Andrews 8 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      Please post the tracking site here!

      As far as I am concerened it is simple to predict when trials will occur if you know flight paths. The problem with the subject is that chemtrail believers call persistent contrails "chemtrails" and non-believers call them contrails. And it is a belief system because I am a past believer and it was very hard for JazzRoc to get me to seethe logic of his arguments! I am now a non-believer.

      I could give you an example of predicting trails: at around 10am on Sundays in winter but not in summer a plane goes across where I live and it leaves a long lasting trail that I used to call a chemtrail. Pics I have posted of this believers call a chemtrail, as I did. But now if I see the same trail and accept it as a persistent contrail of ice crystals. Conditions have changed and we are now seeing persistent trails which we have not been used to seeing and we have been led by those propagting the chemtrail belief to call them chemtrails but they are simply long lasting trails of ice crystals I now believe.

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      Sean  8 years ago

      If these don't exist howcome there is this chemtrail tracking site I go to that tells you when they will be here and when they won't be here and it's dead on 90% of the time? How would this guy know if they did not exist? I mean I think they do exist and they are up to something up there, what it is I have no clue but I have heard both sides of the argument and use common sense when I look up and I know these are different from the contrails I see on some days. Some days I see contrais and then these all over the sky. Jazzroc and his arguments are not going to sway me from these things or make it like they don't exist, like the devil they exist and they don't want you to know it. I am staying believing and studying these and reading about them. Some say they know some who fly and say they do spray these things and think it is for our good, some say it's just schaff and the military does spray it to jam radar, check those out in youtube. It has been on the news in Cali as well and weather channels if you look for it, so people do know and are up on these things, not enough people but some know. BTW as for the tracking site, I would put it up but some idiot will try to get it taken down if they are with the GOVT. or looking to keep these a wrap, I think I will pass but that's NO LIE. He tells when they will be spraying, and bottom line it happens.

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      Steve Andrews 9 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      I know Gwaelod y Garth very well - a beautiful place!

      No, rain at all here - in fact a drought!

      I hope the tap water doesn't have fluoride in it like it does in many places now - a much worse threat than chemtrails, which I don't any more believe exist!

      Sneezing is caused by many things and there are countless things which people are allergic to with cats, house dust mites and many types of pollen being a few. In many places people are exposed to pollens like oil seed rape that is a fairly new crop that is being cultivated on a wide scale.

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      toxicpolarbear 9 years ago

      hey. i hear planes at the same time every morning. I live in gwealod y garth in cardiff.

      we have had some really heavy downpours but i gues the rain is everywhere anyway.

      I have uncontrollable burny sneezing fits random spates & ive never had hayfever. Could be dust but i think i would be sneezing all of the time if was. my sleep patterns change and i feel different when i drink tap water.

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      Steve Andrews 9 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      Yes, lots of things present in the modern world can and do produce symptoms like sinus problems and asthma that get blamed on chemtrails!

      Yes, there are all manner of theories about DNA - depends who you agree with really! Michael Tsarion says we all have alien DNA mixed with human and that is the root cause of evil in the world. It's a good explanation.

      Michael doesn't think there are any saviours for the world condition but ourselves and I am inclined to agree with him on both counts. This is our nightmare and we have to deal with it!

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      MD FREE 9 years ago from OC, California where extra is paid for good weather!

      No big deal about the deleted posts, I didn't feel comfortable putting the article up there. i would've sent a link but the profile I found it on is set to private so I do not think I could send a link. It was a lot longer of an article but I am not intent on changing your mind.

      The fascinating part I thought, was the evolving DNA.

      I started classes this week so I am becoming too busy for this subject. If I come across any proof you haven't heard of I will send you a myspace message with a link.

      Lots of things can cause asthma and sinus problems, nearby trains using deisel, car pollution, airports, pollen. See you on another topic friend!

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      Steve Andrews 9 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      MD, thanks for what you posted but I have deleted it because it appears to be copied and pasted material that can be seen elsewhere online and we are not allowed to have duplicate content on hub pages or the page will lose its ranking and no one will get to read it anyway which defeats the purpose. It would have been better posted as a link which are allowed so please post links in future.

      As for the video it is just like all the others of which I have seen hundreds. They all are claiming that the trails are chemtrails and I no longer accept that so there is nothing to fear from them for myself or others who do not believe.

      As for finding cures for the illnesses said to be caused by chemtrails this is an impossibility if the chemtrails do not exist and are merely ice which simply messes the sky up. The illnesses and symptoms are caused by many other things and obviously need to be cured but personally I see no point blaming the trails and I no longer do so.

      BTW as an example, I have had chronic sinus problems that I believed to be caused by chemtrails. I no longer believe this and have concluded that the problem is caused by my deviated septum, which two doctors said was the reason. I have found a cure - salt water dropped down my nasal passages.

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      MD FREE 9 years ago from OC, California where extra is paid for good weather!

      I am going to have to read your conversation with jazzroc when I have more time. I have some chemistry knowledge and would be happy to look at this as logicaly as possible.<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/UdtLTyNOB0A&hl=en... /><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true" /><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/UdtLTyNOB0A&hl=en... type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

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      Steve Andrews 9 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      Thanks for explaining!

      Well, the strange thing is I am no longer a chemtrail believer after several years but I am a reptilian believer, although not so sure about the shapeshifting! I have actually just written over 3,000 words on why I believed in chemtrails and why I no longer do for another project. There was logical thought gone into both my belief and how I finally lost that belief but the most interesting part of it all for me was that when I was a chemtrail-believer I was blocking out seeing some things, which I knew. This was not logical thought but the control over my analytical mind by the belief system I had.

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      MD FREE 9 years ago from OC, California where extra is paid for good weather!

      The point I was making is frost and mist are h2o, not chem trails.

      I am not saying that I believe in one side or the other on this, if you read the blog on myspace I was talking about, it was more detailed.

      I do think the theory falls in line with other theories that becoming more factual.

      At least, it is more believable than reptilian theories!

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      Steve Andrews 9 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      I'm not sure who said water was combatting global warming so don't really understand the point you are making but I am sure there are far too many planes seeing as they are causing the problem we are seeing and whilst I no longer believe that the trails and artifical clouds are toxic it is still not right at all to have all these tons of ice crystals blotting out the blue skies and sunlight! And many places could desperately use the water down here!

      Thanks for your feedback, MD!

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      MD FREE 9 years ago from OC, California where extra is paid for good weather!

      H2O is a greenhouse gas and that cannot combat global warming.

      I didn't read jazzroc's comments and can't help wonder if he flies the planes.

      Pollution does block sunlight from traveling deep into earth but I think there are better ways than pollution to stop global warming WTF!

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      lynette 9 years ago

      I am emailing you to inform you of a strike that is being organized on July 4th 2008 against the New World Order and the spraying of chemicals in our skies. I am hoping to reach as far as I can with the message that there are good people out there who really want to change things. We all need to support each other and create a the kind of world it should be. Please spread the word of change and promote this website after all this affects us all. Please visit www.freewebs.com/changetheworldforever for more info. We need to change what is happening to our world and to our skies, for the sake of ourselves and for generations to come.