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CHARLES MANSON, Still Alive and Ranting

Updated on June 16, 2017
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Paula has freelanced for nearly 40 years. She has a passion for her forte of Behavioral Science & continuing education in this field.

Manson in Younger Days
Manson in Younger Days
"Charley," in all his spooky glory in the late '60's
"Charley," in all his spooky glory in the late '60's
Some of Charley's followers...members of The Manson Family
Some of Charley's followers...members of The Manson Family

Everybody knows "Charley."

The only thing you have to do, is say the name. Where ever you are, to whomever you speak, the name, "Charles Manson," strikes immediate recognition. Charley is infamous.

In California, during the late '60's, Charles Manson had a mission. Like a pied piper, he gathered devoted followers, who eventually became known as his "Family." Little did they know, they would soon become our country's most evil and hated family.

Charley wasn't just an ordinary man. If you asked him, he would boast of all his many talents and attributes. After all, Charley was a charismatic, extraordinary man with a vision of the world as none before him. Charley was a holy man who eloquently quoted the Bible. He was soft-spoken and oozed with great love for all mankind. His family adored him. In fact, they worshipped him as the Savior, Jesus Christ.

A Few Facts Go a Long Way.

Born on November 12th,1934 in Cincinnati, Ohio, to 16 year-old Kathleen Maddox, the baby boy's birth certificate read, "no name Maddox," for the first few months of his life. At some point thereafter, Kathleen gave her son the name, Charles Milles Manson, borrowing this surname from her new husband, William Manson.

Thus began little Charley's life of instability, void of love, comfort or any semblence of normalcy. Due to Mommy's numerous stays in prisons, for as many crimes, son Charley was tossed from family member to foster home to institutions. By the young age of 12, Charley had become far too street-wise, desperate and bitter. He wanted out of the juvenile system. He yearned for freedom and he took it.

Throughout his adolescence, Charley lived on the streets, doing whatever necessary, to survive. Along the way, he learned well, how to steal, lie and manipulate anyone who crossed his path. He had a dream. To become a musician was a near-obsession for Charley, as he strummed his prized guitar, wrote songs and sang to passers-by who tossed their coins to him.

The Beatles were Charley's idols. He had an especially daunting devotion to them, in particular their White Album, on which was the song, Helter Skelter. It was in the words of Helter Skelter, Charley fantasized a code, describing a future war between two races.......between the whites and blacks of our country.

Actress Sharon Tate
Actress Sharon Tate
Manson stood 5'2"
Manson stood 5'2"

Charley Could Mesmerize.....

Charley's life on the streets gave him access to the young run-aways and lost souls, looking for something.....someone to accept them. The Hippie Movement of the '60's had taken hold and flower children roamed everywhere, existing in communal settings. Adopting free love and Peace to all, simple living amongst nature, music and marajuana, consumed them. The perfect setting for a self-made Guru, toting a bible, a guitar and a bag of pot. Here, he would build his church and lure his faithful sheep.

Using his methods of drugs, sex and rock 'n roll, as well as assuming a caring father-like position over his band of young drifters, Manson quickly earned their trust and loyalty. The women devoted themselves to him in an almost slave-like manner. The young men felt useful and tasted a sense of power for the first time in their lives. They were hooked and they bowed to Charley's word, as in eerie hypnotic response.

Manson told of a plan to spark his prediction of racial rioting. This riot was meant to ultimately pit whites against whites. In Charley's sick and twisted mind, the Manson Family would then rule over the Blacks of our nation.

Manson's Plan: They would brutally kill wealthy white people living in the California Valley and make certain to leave visible signs that the murders had been committed by blacks.

In the wee morning hours of August 9th, 1969, Manson drove a group of his puppets to the mansion of Film Director, Roman Polanski. In the home were actress Sharon Tate, nine months pregnant with Polanski's child, and house guests, Abigail Folger, Jay Sebring and Voytek Frykowski as well as 18 year-old Steven Parent.

These innocent, unsuspecting individuals were all fatally shot and stabbed in a brutal and bloody attack by these crazed Manson family members. In a gruesome and horrific act, even Sharon's baby was not allowed to survive.. Racial comments were scribbled on the walls in the victim's blood.

These savages hitch hiked back to the ranch where they'd been living. Manson had driven back to the ranch after dropping them off to commit the murders. Charley had no physical part in the killings...no blood on his hands.

The very next night, on August 10th, the home of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca was the scene of two more brutal and fatal stabbings. Leno & Rosemary were bound and each suffered multiple stabbings inflicted with a butcher knife, a large two-pronged fork and a bayonet. The words, "Death to Pigs" were smeared in blood, on the refrigerator door.


Manson under arrest
Manson under arrest
Manson women w/ shaved  heads in protest of Charley's  arrest
Manson women w/ shaved heads in protest of Charley's arrest
L.A. County D.A., Vicent Bugliosi
L.A. County D.A., Vicent Bugliosi

Putting the Puzzle Together

Although these murders were investigated by two separate police departments, through a series of arrests and law enforcement communications, as well as careful collection of information, local sherriff's had more than enough cause to arrest Manson and 25 family members.

Ultimately, only Charles Manson and a handful of followers were charged with the murders and stood trial for these crimes.

Fortunately, at that time, the Prosecutor was none other than the brilliant Los Angeles Distrist Attorney, Vincent Bugliosi. His genius prosecution of these brutal killers was a complete success, returning Guilty verdicts for all defendents.

Each received the Death Penalty at sentencing. However, when California's Capital Punishment was abolished, their sentences became Life.

Over the ensuing forty years, most all of these defendents have gone before the parole board a total of 12 times. Every time, each was denied parole. Even Susan Atkins, who requested release based upon mercy, due to her terminal brain cancer, has been denied.

Next week, Charles Manson himself, goes before the board for the twelfth time. During each prior plea to the Parole Board, Manson has gone into his usual rantings and ravings. He has not been a model prisoner for all these years and has been diagnosed with severe mental disorders, showing no improvement whatsoever. His dramatic lunacy before the board has merely been a waste of time at best or very poor entertainment at worst.

Charley's twelfth visit before the board next week, should prove to be no different.


The Many Spooky Faces of Charley

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    Paula 4 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    bobby.....this is the article u wanted to see. you can get back to me anytime.....leave a message if you must. Paula

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    Paula 20 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Peg.....No doubt, it is amazing this old guy is still breathing, well into his eighties.

    I don't think we need to worry about the parole board keeping him in at this point. He's right where he needs to be with not a single reason to cut him loose. The reality is, prison is all Charly has ever known. It's literally his HOME............

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    Peg Cole 20 months ago from Dallas, Texas

    Fascinating recap of this story and the individual who was behind those murders. It's hard to believe he's still around. I had to do the math to figure out just how old he really is and I was stunned. It sure seems like this was in the news recently, although, it's been a while. Hard to imagine any parole board letting him out. I sure hope not.

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    Sparkster Publishing 20 months ago from United Kingdom

    Oh I'm definitely not confusing Schizophrenia and Psychopathy - they are very different indeed and are nothing alike. In fact, Schizophrenics are nothing like what I described above in any way at all really. I've worked with many of both of them over the years and have much direct experience with psychopaths both personally and professionally. I've studied psychiatry and psychology, in particular narcissism, sociopathy and psychopathy most of my life. Personality Disorders are my main area of expertise. I often get therapists and academic professionals checking out my work on the topics or coming to me for advice. Anything mind/behaviour/perception related and I'm your man.

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    Paula 20 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Besarian....I thank you for such an interesting comment relating to how this tragic event played a part in your childhood & affected your family.

    This is one of those things we can all recall in terms of when it happened, where & who the victims were of a murderous rampage led by Charles Manson.

    It was a frightening situation. I understand your Dad being so concerned & protective of his family. I read all the books on Charlie & his "family" & of course the brutal murders. All the way on the other side of the country, in New York, I checked my doors & windows for a very long time afterward.

    I appreciate your visit. Peace, Paula

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    Besarien 20 months ago

    Before Manson we barely locked our doors- maybe at night. After this we had less freedom to play in the neighborhood and go places on our own. My dad installed huge deadlock bolts on the doors which remained locked all the time. About the same time as the trials, girls bodies started turning up partially buried in orange groves in FL where we lived. My dad was convinced the whole world was going crazy and got super protective of all of us but especially my sister and I. When it came it came out in trial that Manson was trying to implicate black folk and start a race war, I thought my dad was going to lose his mind altogether. I really don't think he was ever the same.

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    Paula 21 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Sparkster.....Thank you for your thoughtful reply. All due respect, It sounds very much to me that you may be confusing "psychopath" and "Schizophrenic." There is nothing MILD about the diagnosis/behavior of a psychopath.....they have the pathology of criminals (rapists, murderers etc) The schizophrenic however presents as a brain malfunction and they are largely no threat to those around them.

    In any event, I do appreciate your interest in my work. I look forward to our future interactions. Peace, Paula

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    Sparkster Publishing 21 months ago from United Kingdom

    Hmm, well. I get what you're saying, although the medical definition of a psychopath (i.e. Anti-Social Personality Disorder) is actually quite mild. Most psychopaths do not commit murder and many of them live productive lives and are largely unrecognized by society. Most of them are invisible. I know people who are diagnosed psychopaths, one of them I have known for most of my life and he has never really done anything to hurt anyone significantly and you would never know he was a psychopath unless you sat down to have a full-blown conversation with him for a good few hours - I guess in that respect Manson may have not actually been a psychopath.

    I also see your point about his followers but when it comes to mind control / hypnotic control / psychological manipulation, a topic which I know inside-out like the back of my hand (and am possibly more knowledgeable about than any other person in the UK, aside from my good friend Derren Brown), the truth is that those who are intelligent and well educated or who are "academics" are much more prone to being mind-controlled than those who are uneducated or a bit dense due to the fact that intelligent people are better at following orders. Suggestibility is required for the learning process, therefore those who are not so clever are less prone to it because they are less suggestible which is why they are not so smart.

    All of us are prone to psychological manipulation, it's how life itself works. People who are more prone to it are usually more intelligent, not less intelligent. Every single one of us is being manipulated by our environment, surroundings and circumstances every single day of our lives yet we hardly realize it. It doesn't make us stupid or gullible. Gullibility and suggestibility are two completely different traits.

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    Paula 21 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Shyron.....What you feel has great merit. In order to avoid the devil, we must first identify who he is......Poor Charley has reached the point of complete mindlessness for years of poor living and delusional thinking. His imprisonment has taken it's toll and he now merely exists in the confines of a sick mind. In his late 80's now, he is no longer a threat to anyone but his own existence. Thanks for reading.

    Man pays a price for his thoughts & deeds....with no exceptions.

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    Shyron E Shenko 21 months ago from Texas

    Paula, I missed this hub. It is interesting, though I am not fascinated with Manson or his minions. I prefer to stay as far away from the devil as possible, your hub was great.

    Blessings and hugs.

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    Paula 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    color.....You're very wise. The minds AND hearts of this "sort" of individual, simply doesn't work like the vast majority. All the hundreds of years of study, research and groping into the deepest, darkest parts of human beings, while giving us some answers, will not ever be able to fully comprehend .

    What can and does horrify the normal, healthy person....somehow can seem to the twisted like ordinary & mundane behavior. You have heard the expression, "People BORN without a conscience." This is not valid. There is a process within a person that in some way at any given point, learns to lock that conscience out entirely. Once they have done this, there is nothing to hold him/her back from any number of egregious activities.

    Thanks so much for stopping by. I appreciate your input. Have a nice week-end! Peace, Paula

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    Susie Lehto 2 years ago from Minnesota

    I was young when Charles Manson and his followers did their extremely evil deeds. I do remember a lot about it from watching TV. I will never understand people like that. I heard that once a person commits murder that it transforms them within and not in a good way. But, what the hell gets people to that point to commit murder I will not ever get.

    I mean most people have a crazy thought go through their mind like: 'robbing a bank', but it is so ridiculous that normal people let thoughts like that wash right over them. They don't entertain those thoughts and make plans to carry out a bank robbery.

    There is darkness. There is light.

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    Paula 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    He is/was allegedly "engaged".....that's so special isn't it? But last I read the news, the marriage has been postponed, perhaps indefinitely. There's a 25 year old girl I don't want near my grandchildren. It takes all kinds to make up this big crazy world of ours.

    Thanks for stopping by. I appreciate your interest in my work.

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    Rayne123 2 years ago

    Great hub, so many stories about this guy, none of which is any good.

    I watched a few interviews with him and he continues to try conning/manipulate people. He is a sociopath, he pretty much admitted it in one of his interviews. A few of them are quite funny actually.

    In one interview he tells the reporter he is a nobody lol, he also says he suggested his followers kill but he never made them. He said they didn't have to do it, they had their own minds.

    However, like you said he used and drugged them. Most he slept with and they were infatuated with him. (yuk)

    He is a nobody really, and I think that his bible beliefs were the way he wanted to decode it not truths. To worship him as Jesus, I never get that. When Jesus comes he won't act like that and we all will see him. What's wrong with people lol

    Anyway last I heard he was married and now I have not read anything else.

    Great hub and well written

    Blessings

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    Paula 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Sparkster.....Manson is fairly easy to study. His capacity to "manipulate & control people" wasn't really all about him and his possible cleverness, believe me.

    The people you want to do a study on are his followers. Remember, it was the '60's.....California.....hippies, run-aways & pot-smoking flower children. What you may find is a group of lost, delusional, easily-controlled individuals. They may just as likely have worshiped a baboon. None of them were academics...that's for sure.

    I'll agree that Charley was a sociopath with incredible street smarts, but he doesn't qualify as a psychopath.....not in the truest sense of the medical term.

    If you have not read Helter Skelter by the brilliant Vincent Bugliosi, I would highly recommend it.

    Thanks for your interest in my work.

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    Sparkster Publishing 2 years ago from United Kingdom

    Sunshine625, I remember reading recently that there is a 26-year old woman who wants to marry Manson for some bizarre reason. Whether that went (or is going) ahead I have no idea.

    Paula, great hub. I have a strong interest in Manson and have been doing some research into the Manson Family murders recently, as I also wish to write about it. His psychopathic capacity to manipulate and control people is akin to that of Hitler.

    There's also a great (heavy) song about the Manson Family murders on Machine Head's new album. It's called Night Of Long Knives.

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    Paula 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Double Ewwwwww! He sort of looks like a corpse, just the way he is.....alive. Then again, brain dead counts!

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    Linda Bilyeu 2 years ago from Orlando, FL

    LOL! She obviously isn't as smart as you. Can't believe she shared her grand plans. We could have planned a road trip to view his body! Ewww!

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    Paula 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Ya know GF, I hate it when some ordinary schmuck steals my ideas! She obviously doesn't understand Charley like I do. All she had to do was ask him to leave her his body. He'd have loved nothing better than to know she wanted to stuff him and display him in a glass case, forever more.

    He's an ego maniac and publicity hound....not mention a total nut case!

    Drat! Foiled again! LOL

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    Linda Bilyeu 2 years ago from Orlando, FL

    Well it seems like Charlie is once again a single man. I emailed you the link. His fiancé was a wicked woman, but not as wicked as Charles.

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    Paula 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Thanks so much!!

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    Debra Allen 2 years ago from West By God

    Yes, It is a series of hubs since they were so long. The first one is: http://ladyguinevere.hubpages.com/hub/My-Perfect-L...

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    Paula 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    OH...OK.....at leas I was right that the familiar story involved YOU......Have you made this into a Hub?

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    Debra Allen 2 years ago from West By God

    Yes, I did a story about my friend who is incarderated. There were no interviews with that. It is his story that he gave me to post.

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    Paula 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    LG......Do I have you confused with someone else? Aren't you doing a story about inmates? Sorry if I'm wrong.

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    Debra Allen 2 years ago from West By God

    No, this was a fw years ago and was on the news. Sorry you missed it.

    What interviews?

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    Paula 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    L.G.........LOL! Yes this IS an old hub and Charley is an OLD man but still hangin in there.

    I don't know where you saw any info about him having been let out of prison, once sentenced....impossible. His original sentence was the Death Penalty until California commuted all DP's to Life.

    It's possible there were mobs outside the prison in the beginning of his Trial, but they weren't there for autographs......How are your interviews coming along??

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    Debra Allen 2 years ago from West By God

    Well this is an old hub! Charley needs to die. Althought I read in the comment that he did not kill anyone....no he did not but he Ordered his people to kill someone and that was the most horrific things that they did.

    Oh and he was no "ordinary" person either. I think they did let him out once but they got him to the outside gates and there was a mob there so they took him back into the prison. If they ever let him out he would be shot on sight.

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    Paula 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Well peach.....you've just given away your age.....if you have no idea who Charley Manson is nor anything about him...LOL

    Yes, he certainly did get life. In fact he actually was sentenced to death until California abolished the Death sentence and his sentence was converted to Life.

    He's in his '80's still behind bars.........

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    peachy 2 years ago from Home Sweet Home

    oh, this guy looks like a criminal, did he get life sentence?

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    Paula 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Linda.......I'd go a bit beyond the word "crazy," girlfriend. This pathetic little girl has major issues that don't even have a diagnosis yet. It's not even something I want to attempt to figure out.

    Life is grand, Linda. Every day we find newer bigger meaning to the phrase...."It takes all kinds....."

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    Linda Crist 2 years ago from Central Virginia

    Just had to revisit this awesome hub. Can you believe this monster is making the news again with a marriage? She's got be as crazy as he is. lol

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    Paula 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    I see. Well, it's probably a very short invitation that says: "Be there or be dead."

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    Linda Bilyeu 2 years ago from Orlando, FL

    I don't think he sent the invites out yet...

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    Paula 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Oh darn....and I wasn't invited? I'm hurt. See if I send Charley anymore cookies!

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    Linda Bilyeu 2 years ago from Orlando, FL

    Did you hear the latest...he's getting married to a 26 yr old frequent visitor!

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    Paula 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    always....I think it's fair to say that Charley is a little man with some big mental issues who made himself an infamous individual in all the wrong ways. Thanks for reading!

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    Ruby Jean Fuller 2 years ago from Southern Illinois

    Wow, this was an interesting read. I remember when this happened, scary. His mistreatment at birth surely done some emotional damage. Interesting hub...

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    Paula 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Yes, Cesky....Charley has the tendency to make one's blood run cold. He seems to have become more and more psychotic as he ages.......but then, we shouldn't be surprised. Thanks for stopping by.

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    Cecilia Karanja 3 years ago from Nairobi

    I've watched many of his youtube videos and I get the chills each and every time. Great hub.

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    Paula 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Billrrrr......I like the way your mind works. Losing his identity would pain him terribly....He's always been a totally lost soul, but he just never realized it. Amazing he keeps breathing our air, isn't it?

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    Bill Russo 3 years ago from Cape Cod

    I have spoken with you (on Hubpages) before about murder and punishment and I agonize over people like this soul-less creature. After a long wrestling match with myself about appropriate punishments, I have come up with one that I favor. Along with his sentence of life in prison, the monster should be stripped of his identity. He should never be referred to by name. He should only be identified by a number. In fact, I think we should legally change his name to "Prisoner 1917". He forfeited his membership in the human race. He has no right to a human name.

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    Paula 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    C.E.......Oh, he's an evil individual, to say the least....also as Looney as can be.....Cuckoo. Brainwashing is a very real thing, no doubt. At some point in our lives, in one way or another, we have been subjected to forms of brainwashing, whether we realize this or not. And you are correct, C.E....it would require a novel to truly "get into" particular topics...

    Yes, Charlie is in his 80's.....and who the hell knows how he continues to kick, scream and use up California's tax dollars....but he does. He's also not the Lone Ranger in this regard. Each State pays an absurd amount of the "people's money" to keep low-life's fed, housed and babysat.

    Thanks for stopping by my MOST-viewed Hub. We humans do have our strange fascinations....I know....I'm one of them...

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    C E Clark 3 years ago from North Texas

    I have my opinions about Charley, the death penalty, and our legal system, but I won't share them here. For one thing, HP limits the words allowed in the comments section and this would require a novel.

    I read the book Helter Skelter when I was a teenager. It was very gruesome and horrible to say the least. Charlie's 'family' did unbelievably horrible things to their victims. They did pretty horrible things at 'home' together too, with the women performing fellatio on dogs. That testifies to how well Charlie could control them all -- they did whatever he told them to do.

    There are ways to brainwash people and then they are no longer in control of themselves. It happens to well educated people and often to people who believe it can't happen to them. Lots of people have utilized brainwashing. Jim Jones, Hitler, David Koresh, and Charlie Manson, just to name a few.

    Manson is filled with evil, no doubt about it. He must be about 80 years old now, so his time is nearly done. Anyway, good job.

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    Paula 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    I can easily understand why many people believe Manson "deserves no mercy." However, this opinion is a bit after the fact and late in coming.

    California has housed & fed Charley for decades now. Unless he commits another felony while imprisoned, his "Life" sentence will remain until poor old Charley closes his eyes for the last time.

    Thank you for your interest as well as your comment. I have just read your impressive Bio and scrolled your list of hubs, which are very inviting. I see I must find time to read some of them.....

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    MG Singh 3 years ago from Singapore

    Nice post. Manson escaped death by a lacuna inlaw. However he deserves no mercy and maybe the best course would be still to execute him. I don't see why taxpayers should pay for him to live on.

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    Paula 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Jodah & Wesman.......When I thought about it afterwards......where the hoax claimed that he was granted parole because of "over-crowding"...I should have known immediately it was a hoax. The reality is, for Charley........they'd build him his own prison to keep him locked up.

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    Paula 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    I was in Total & Complete SHOCK over the "HOAX." These poor people need a hobby or a job...or maybe just a life. Spending time on Hoaxes.....What a fabulous career!

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    Paula 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    His next parole hearing isn't until 2027.....at which time the darling man will be 93. If still alive, my money will be on "Sorry Charley, NO dice.".....

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    Linda Bilyeu 3 years ago from Orlando, FL

    It's an internet hoax...I got conned by a con...but on the bright side, Paula's hub got a few more hits! :)

    http://investorplace.com/2014/06/charles-manson-ho...

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    Wesman Todd Shaw 3 years ago from Kaufman, Texas

    hehehe, have you seen the new webpages about his parole? Don't fall for those shenanigans

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    John Hansen 3 years ago from Queensland Australia

    WTF? Really Sunshine, I hadn't heard....wow! That's what happens when they lock up too many people for trivial things...they have to let out the real criminals.

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    Linda Bilyeu 3 years ago from Orlando, FL

    Hey Effer, Did you hear that Manson has been granted parole?!? Prisons in California are overcrowded and he got a Free Pass and doesn't have to Pass Go! WTF!? Hopefully he got so excited when he heard the news that he dropped dead!!

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    Paula 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Jodah....It just so happens that you have chosen to read my most viewed hub! I get dozens per day on this hub, just under my hub on "Karma".......is that ironic or what?

    Charley is still alive and ranting, just like my Title says. Crazy as it seems.....he gains new, younger followers as the years go by. The only ones who ignore him, avoid him and wish they'd never met him........are those members of his "Family" who have spent their wasted lives behind bars.

    He looks crazy and he acts crazy.....He seems to ramble on and rant a whole lot. BUT...in all fairness, every once in a while Charley says something that makes a little sense.

    He's just a pathetic character at 80.......keeps on kickin!...LOL

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    John Hansen 3 years ago from Queensland Australia

    Hi Paula, I know you wrote this hub two years ago and I have just found it now, but it's good for old hubs to get new traffic. I was 12 when these murders occurred, and can still remember it like yesterday it had such a dramatic effect on me. These were the most horrendous murders I had ever heard of at the time (even on the other side of the world). I seem drawn to watch any program about Manson and saw 'Helter Skelter' recently. It seems, even at 80 Charles Manson still has some crazy power to get people's attention. I haven't heard anywhere that he has died yet and I think that would be big news if it had occurred. This is a very interesting hub. Voted up.

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    Paula 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    There are numerous tales told, and retold by many individuals, both informed and otherwise, in terms of Charley, his "family," and the 2 nights of their murderous rampage.

    I have read every last thing written, to include the court transcript, when Manson himself was tried for mass murder & as a serial killer, with the one and only Vincent Bugliosi, as Lead Prosecutor.

    Charley "bragged" from time to time, wanting to impress and/or intimidate his family members.....and spoke of murders he had committed. He claimed they were "justifiable" killings because the victims had attempted to kill him or steal from him......According to Charley, these victims wound up buried in the desert.

    He refused, however, to admit to any part of the actual murders in the Tate/LaBianca cases. As far as is known, not a one of his devoted family members, implicated Charley. However, Bugliosi was able to convince 12 people to find Charley Guilty of multiple murders and sentenced to death....which, of course, is precisely what should have happened......Thank you for reading and commenting. Good to hear from you...

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    Rayne123 4 years ago

    HI there, great hub

    However in this documentary it said that Manson actually did kill one family because he was angry at this family for a "messy" killing so he had to show them how it was done.

    It also stated that the youngest "family" members "woke out of the trans if you want to call it that and went to the cops about the whole thing. She was let off or cut a deal or something. She also went into hiding after that, don't know why since the charges were already laid, but not sure what happened there.

    It seemed to miss out quite a few parts.

    thank you

    Laurie

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    Cat 4 years ago from New York

    Great... I might as well face it I'm addicted to love... chocolate and HP ;-)

    Ha... too funny and boy can I relate. There are some nights (or mornings) that I hear the coffee start brewing and I hadn't made it to bed yet! I can't sleep in either because I have those dang kids to get up for school :-)

    I just spent the last 2 hours on the phone with my brother from W. Virginia and 20 HP tabs open, having a panic attack because I couldn't listen to him and respond to hubs, now I have this horrible feeling of being behind. Gee...

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    Paula 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Cat....you are too sweet. Thank you.......

    No, I'm afraid that although there is help available for 98% of addictions, HP falls into the 2%, along with love and chocolate. No cure. On the other hand, speaking for myself, "hubber's burnout," is not only possible, but in my Heavy Duty Hubbing days, I experienced burnout, each night, after about 8 hrs, with my butt in the chair and my little fingertips on the keys. All that's needed to clear that up, is a halfway good night's sleep. First thing in the morning, you make coffee with one hand and turn the computer on, with the other........it's hopeless.

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    Cat 4 years ago from New York

    Paula,

    Drats, I was hoping that I would find help with my addiction in time, oh well. What about hubber's burnout? Can that ever happen?

    You're right, I guess it's a part of life, but it doesn't make it easy. I can tell you're loved very much by a lot of people here, so you should never feel alone! (Of course, unless you want to for a bit :-)

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    Paula 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    HEY....my "guess" about your name was accurate! Sorry to tell you, but there is no cure for the hub addiction. You'll get used to dealing with it.. We are all guilty. There have been some pretty funny hubs and/or comments written here, about what we all know to be our "addiction." I agree with you that there's this nagging feeling of "neglect," when we are away for too long.

    Thank you for your kind words, Cat. I am blessed with an amazing support system of family and friends......one foot in front of the other. None of us are exempt from having to deal with loss. Peace.

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    Cat 4 years ago from New York

    Paula

    Yes, Catherine is my name, but people call me Cat, you can call me Cat, Cathy, Cath or Catherine; call me anything you’d like but don’t call me late for dinner! :-)

    I saw “Paula” and I even think “Effer” somewhere, but I don’t like offending people calling them by their “real name” until they start using it with me, or if I’ve been corresponding with them for a while. Gee, does that sound backward “I don’t like calling people by their real name”? :-)

    I am so sorry to hear about your husband and I will keep you in my prayers as I’m sure this time is still difficult. I can’t imagine what it must have been like to lose your husband at all, but to lose him suddenly and then to have the hassle of “getting things together” in such a sad time. I know you are a strong woman and I’m sure you’ll make it through, but we’re all here for you if/when you need us.

    Yes, I am a little concern about my addiction to HP; I often joke that I should be in some kind of an Overhubbers Anonymous group or something. My kids are starting to not recognize me anymore and now refer to me as “lady in front of the computer”. First, I have to say, with the exception of a couple of rude people that occasionally come out of the woodwork, I have fallen in love with so many people here. I have never had such an intimate or personal situation on the internet than I have with HP. I feel an obligation to this place and these people. If I am gone, unexpectedly, longer than I had anticipated, I actually get anxious about it. I feel that I’m “leaving people hanging”. I do need to find a happy medium though; I went to bed this morning after 4:00 and had to be up at 6:00 to get my son off to school… the culprit… HubPages.

    I am grateful for HP, a lot of people see it as a money maker… and I certainly won’t turn any away, but there are people here, that I’ve met, that I would’ve otherwise never known.

    I’m glad I’ve found you and you’ll be seeing plenty of me. You do what you’ve got to do to keep sane and get through this unbelievably hard time, your friends will all understand! Peace to you!

    Cat

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    Paula 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    CantU......I see the word "Cat" next to your Hub Name......is that your real name, or rather, nickname? "Cat," as in short for Catherine, or a similar name? I always like to use my fellow hubbers real name when possible. BTW, mine is "Paula," although, I have been dubbed "Effer," by all of my close buddies here.....(It's a long story, but "Sunshine 625 aka as Linda," hung that one on me and it took off) So, you can call me either.

    Yes, I have been away for about 3 months, Cat. My husband passed away suddenly, on Feb 11th.......so my life was sort of turned upside down, for awhile. I'm coming along in baby steps. My hubby, "Jim," had a flourishing business and thus it's been hectic. I had so much to take care of, in contacting his clients, and getting their files, etc...to them, and helping them on their way to an alternative means to complete their business. Things are slowly falling into place for me.....but there is lots more to do, in terms of my own life too.

    I'm poking my nose into HP, every once in a while when I find myself MISSING everyone. As I'm sure you are discovering......HP quickly becomes a big part of our lives and we get "addicted." I am hoping to get back into the Hub community, full time, in the near future. In the meantime, I'm reaching out here and there, to stay somewhat connected and say, "Hey," to my buddies. HP has some of the most amazing people in the world.....We get close to one another. It's nice to have you, as a new friend......Peace.

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    Cat 4 years ago from New York

    fpherj48,

    Aw, I'm honored and I hadn't know you were away, but I sure am glad your back! I'm anxious to get to those other hubs of yours but my ADHD-like personality gets in my way :-)

    MichaelJohnMele,

    Thanks buddy, you're a doll... more like a Ken doll, but a doll nonetheless! Yes, fpherj48 is great, I'm lucky I stumbled upon her and I'm glad to see you know this little gem of a hubber too!

    fpherj48,

    Hi, I'm back :-)

    I was actually watching Biography the other night and they covered Manson. They said that he couldn't have come at a better time (or a worse time, depending on how you look at it). Everyone was looking for a passion and direction and anyone who had anything to preach was sure to gain followers. These were no doubt, some lost people who had become incapable of thinking for themselves. Though none of that makes it any easier to sleep at night. There will always be lost people, waiting to follow someone. I guess we just gotta keep our eyes out for these nut jobs before the gain followers... and now with twitter and facebook we migh be screwed :-) "Followers"... get it?

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    Paula 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Michael, my sweet friend....(you will give me a big head!....but then, I suppose it will match my Big asset.).......I am unable to emphasize strongly enough, my disappointment and distress, in individuals so lost, confused and disconnected, that they easily fall prey to any sort of sick mind control. Certainly, when it should be clear and obvious to a sane, moderately intelligent being.....that the person and/or concept, pulling you in, is a bona-fide nut job. I don't get it, never have.

    Back during all the Manson fury, I vividly recall wishing I could meet and talk with some of the young, female family members/devotees, who became totally brainless and helpless, under his alleged "spell."

    I look at Charley, and "vomit," comes to mind.....I listen to his looney- toon rants.....and laugh hysterically, in disbelief. Go figure.....and the young, strapping men, who did the bidding of a "runt," who was all of 5'2"--125lbs......not some threateningly HUGE beast of a man.......but a little rodent.

    It takes all kinds....and yes, there have been numerous like Charley (Koresh, Jones...) and of course, they continue to live, breathe, breed and spread amongst us.

    Your question: "When will people learn ...to think for themselves?" The way you asked this, gave me a light bulb moment, Michael. I think the answer is in your question! PEOPLE CAN ONLY LEARN...when they think for themselves!........ya think so too?

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    Michael John Mele 4 years ago from Seffner, Florida

    @fpherj48 the really scary thing is when the next "Manson" shows up...and leads all these mindless sheep into doing some other crazy thing. When will people learn...to think for themselves.

    @Cantuhearmescream isn't fpherj48 great? One of the great things about Hub Pages is all the cool people around here...like fpherj48...and of course you too Cantuhearmescream.

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    Paula 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Thanks for engaging me with your interest! This sort of thing is precisely what I need to get myself BACK into full-time hubbing. I know I've been away for nearly 3 months, but, in my own defense, I have been ultra busy and occupied with important matters......

    You've inspired me! Bless your heart.

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    Cat 4 years ago from New York

    fpherj48,

    You're right... I guess that doesn't have to make us bad :-)

    Thanks for the interesting hub!

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    Paula 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Right......and people are still lining up at the tent entrance to see the Freak side shows.....Morbid curiosity. We all have it, to some degree. Hopefully, we use our talents and wisdom in beneficial ways.....rather than to perpetuate the unacceptable! Great interaction here Cantu....thanks for your interest!

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    Cat 4 years ago from New York

    fpherj48,

    You're right, which is a little offsetting because then that just means we like to watch crazy people :-0

    There are so many factors, I'm sure. I just wish the factors that we can control, like a child's home environment, we would be more cautious with.

    I'm sure his trinkets don't equate to much more than a bin full of honey buns ;-) It's crazy to see how much attention he still gets, decades later and locked away.

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    Paula 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Cantu.....If it could ever be known, for certain, "what makes a killer?"....I'd say that would be right up there with a cure for cancer or diabetes, etc.....the reality is, it is so many, many things, as I'm sure you realize. Do I believe that Charley simply chose one day, to be evil? No, of course not. There is a compassionate part of all of us who feel for the little, abandoned, lonely & abused little boy Charley was.....but what became of him, we can all merely speculate, by putting pieces of a very complex puzzle together.

    I think I had heard about people buying trinkets that he makes.....but guess what? He can only spend the money in the prison canteen.....sad, huh?......There are hundreds of thousands....maybe millions of Charleys in our world. We need to hold hands and stay safe!!

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    Cat 4 years ago from New York

    fpherj48,

    I think we all want to know what makes a killer a killer. Why do people do the things they do? I think we hope that if we understand it we can change it. Especially times like these, hate and killing, neglect and abuse are on an upswing, understanding why or how it has come to this creates hope.

    I watched a prison program a couple of months ago that showed footage of Manson making spiders and other insect trinket-like things out of hair. It was kind of gross but somewhat interesting. People may a lot of money for his "creations".

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    Paula 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Cantu....LOL.....I don't know if ANYTHING about Charley is actually worth knowing.....however, for the record, in 2 years, this hub continues to hold the record as my most visited hub (in the thousands).

    I guess that says something about "public interest" in ole Charley. Exactly why Freak Shows are so popular?? Thanks for the visit, comment and follow! It will be nice to get to know one another better.

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    Cat 4 years ago from New York

    fpherj48,

    Thank you for making my morning coffee conversation much more interesting than usual :-) Wow, I guess there was a lot I didn't know about Charles Manson. He is a sick son of a gun, but it's almost sad if you think about how his childhood was probably a huge contributing factor to the kind of person he became. It's too bad that there are so many neglected and abused kids today that have the potential to grow up to be some version of a wacko, especially in the ugly place and time we're living.

    I didn't think there was anything else "worth knowing" about Charles Manson, but this was an excellent read!

    Voted up and interesting!

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    Paula 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    sid......you are correct on both counts.....and in fact, most people are certain Charley had several murders on his resume...but it didn't seem to matter enough to investigate any further, after they got the sentence they wanted....and he well-deserved.....Thanks for stopping by!

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    sid 4 years ago

    actually Charlie Did in fact have blood on his hands. Re-read the book and you will note that he entered the home of the labianca's and showed them just how to do the murder...literally. he was also suspected of and i'm not sure if it was ever proven , murdering a man and burying him on the ranch.

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    Paula 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Jynzly....Sorry it has taken me so long to reply. I'm on a bit of a break from HP....but slowly easing my way back to fully active....soon.

    Yes, Charley was quite a devil, to say the least. Thanks for the visit. !!

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    Jenny Pugh 4 years ago from Marion, Indiana, USA

    Very informative. I had read about Charley Manson's crimes in my research in the net. Such destructive delusions of a sick mind; mind of the devil.

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    Paula 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    I remember it all, painfully well.......it was quite the gruesome event. Charley will always be Charley....and live in his own crazy, fantasy world.

    The man is too whacked out to really understand what he's thinking.....

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    dsmitty2670 4 years ago

    i remember the movie helter skelter as a kid, scared the crap out of me but he does not want out of prison because he would lose his attention and his life !!!

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    Paula 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    gm......Charlie has no reason for remorse, as he says. "He's done nothing wrong." No chance whatsoever of him making parole. None, zero, Zip, Nada. He's been denied a dozen times. In his seventies, he will expire in prison.

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    Grace Marguerite Williams 4 years ago from the Greatest City In The World-New York City, New York

    If there is a definition of pure evil, Charles Manson totally exemplifies it. He is an extremely dangerous psychopath with no conscience regarding the concept of right and wrong in addition to having no iota of remorse for what he has done. I pray that he stays in jail for the rest of his life. He does not deserve any less.

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    Paula 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Stephanie.....I am sure you recall this story as well and as horrifyingly as we all do, from the '60's.. It's one of those things we don't soon forget! Charley is far more off the deep end than ever. There have a couple of interviews done for TV....to satisfy public curiosity, and he still loves the attention and exposure and plays it up big, for the cameras.....but he's just LOONEY TUNES.

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    Stephanie Henkel 4 years ago from USA

    These horrifying murders made such a huge impression on everyone in the 1960s! It's hard to believe that a monster like Manson is still alive. He is true evil.

    Your article was so interesting and well written. Now that I must go on to read your other hubs!

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    Paula 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Michael.....and oh so many monkeys wander about......looking for someone, something, somewhere, to wind up their empty heads, direct their sleeping hearts......take their money and convince them they have found paradise on earth...............Ah....duh.....

    Hello??!

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    Michael John Mele 4 years ago from Seffner, Florida

    Good ol' Charlie Manson...another person who needs to be erased from this world...with a quickness. If we didn't have so many stupid people in this world he wouldn't have been able to do what he did...so please people...learn to think.

    Great read...thanks for sharing.

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    Paula 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Dion...Hello, and thanks for stopping by and adding your comment. I know that Susan Atkins (Sadie May Glutz) died from a brain tumor in 2009....and paul watson died of luekemia.......I am also aware of Fromme living under an alias in Washington. There are also 2 or 3 who were imprisoned for a period of time for "other" crimes (not the Tate-LaBianca murders)....who made parole in due time.

    However, Manson, Watkins, Patricia....the "key players" in the murders, continue to serve their life sentences and have been repeatedly and flatly denied parole...

    Not a one of them is "being protected" at the expense of our government. I have no idea where you may have gotten this propaganda but it is grossly incorrect. Those who were released have gone to where ever they went and have done whatever they have done on their own in their their own way.

    Lynette Fromme, who did her time for the attempt on Prez Ford's life, was given new identity and a location to reside, due to numerous threats on her life. However, other than this bit of assistance, she has received no financial support from our government......whatsoever.

    Quite seriously and sensibly, can you actually think the US Govt. would pay to support a Kook who took a shot at a sitting President?

    Ridiculous.

    I have close friends who work at the prison where Charley lives. He continues to be their "entertainment" on slow days......

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    Dion Pangallo 4 years ago

    Whatever you think or have to say about it, fact is, many of them are walking the streets today under assumed identities. Charlie is just the poster child. IMO all should have been given the Chinese 1000 cut treatment, just so they could feel what they dealt and truly experience the revolution they so longed for. Many of the people in the so called manson family, either directly involved with the murders and/or were there/knew what was happening (that we "officially" know of.. apparently there are more revealed in the TEX lawyer tapes...) are free today people!! - protected by none other than our govt. how about that!

    Don't believe me? Check it:

    http://investigation.discovery.com/investigation/h...

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    Paula 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Michael....I agree with you....for the reason you mention and ALSO, because had they been executed, they'd be sleeping peacefully, as opposed to suffering every single day of their lives......painfully aware of the atrocities they committed, being denied freedom and a life of fulfillment and success, away from Society, the beauty of nature, delicious cuisine.......but, instead, locked up like caged animals, under constant watch and supervision, dullness, boredom, stench and continual wasted and rotting moments. THIS and more, is why I am anti-capital punishment. Thanks for reading, Mike......

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    molometer 4 years ago from United Kingdom

    What an intriguing case study.

    This one case alone proves that the death penalty is not a good idea.

    Look at how much we have learned from these characters.

    Hopefully now better educated, we may spot these individuals before they wreck other lives.

    Michael

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    Paula 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    MT......I became deeply involved with studying this entire group and their stories.......back when this all hit the public's attention. I think I've read every word ever printed on this. In fact, we did an entire psychological probe and discussion group, back then, in one of the Human behavior classes.......I tell you, MT, there is more "psychology" here to keep an entire staff busy and deeply interested, for years.

    I understand your fascination.....that's pretty much the general response from the masses. Bringing all aspects together.......it was the perfect storm, but certainly not the first nor the last.....(Jim Jones, David Koresh, Jeffries......the list goes on) The average, normal, stable individual, like you and I find it bizarre that there simply are those who can be sucked in, brain washed and obsessed. Yet, this sort of cult-like behavior is far more common than we are aware.

    For starters....just look at your basic Tele-evangelist......they are super wealthy. How? The idiots watching and being pulled in to their game, send them money...lots of money.

    "If you stand for nothing....you will fall for anything."..........

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    Shasta Matova 4 years ago from USA

    Psychology fascinates me so - how a group of kids can manage to get so brainwashed by someone with a mental illness that they are able to even kill for him is amazing. This is an amazing story for so many different aspects and you have told it well. Voted up.

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    Paula 5 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    I agree with you, DREAM ON, I always read every comment to a hub. I believe it's part of the big picture and allows us to get a feel for the pulse of our community.

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    DREAM ON 5 years ago

    What an indepth hub.Some people should be left behihd bars and he is definitely one of them.It is so sad to hear about murders of innocent people.I loved reading all the comments by all the hubbers that was a hub in itself.

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    Paula 5 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Poor Charley...lol.....He hasn't been able to preach or brainwash in so long...but he sure as hell still tries. He's a tenacious little creep! Basically, in his 70's now, I'd guess he's fairly "harmless," but the prison system is not about to take any chances with such a high profile nut job.....The next huge headlines we'll ever see about Charley, will be that he expired in his cell....Amen.

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    Dana Strang 5 years ago from Ohio

    Very intersting! I am fascinated by sociology and psychology. I also have been fascinated with Manson since I was a teenager. The ability of one man to captivate and control so competely that people would kill for him is amazing. It is a rare thing, but it happens. Look at Hitler. And Jim Morrison could whip a croud into a frenzy.... I have always meant to learn more about Manson. Thank you for the informative look at the man.

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    Paula 5 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Hi quizbomb....you are precisely correct. It's important to know the background, history and sequence of events that leads to the makings of a psychopath...............

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    quizbomb 5 years ago from Lancashire, United Kingdom

    Now that was a good hub to read - well written and very informative. The lives of serial killers and people who do extra ordinarily bad things is always a subject of interest to many. People obviously don't condone what they did but at the same time are drawn into wondering what possesses people to go to such extremes .. voted up :)

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    Paula 5 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    I do agree with you, and have wondered the same thing., especially in a case where the original sentence had been Death Row. However, each State has their own rulings on such things. Some States do not have "Life WITHOUT the possibility of parole.

    Yes, it is mind boggling how Fame can be achieved.

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    K.A.E Grove 5 years ago from Australia

    Its amazing to me that he gets a chance at parole, what ever happened to a life sentence meaning life...till the day you die.

    A great hub about a man famous for the worst reasons