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Clare Boothe Luce ~ World War Soldier's Tour of Duty ~ Stars and Stripes ~ 1945 vs Today

Updated on March 5, 2016

Young soldier during World War II

The young man during World War II who would later become my Dad.
The young man during World War II who would later become my Dad. | Source

1945


War was raging in Europe as well as in the Pacific theater of operation in the year 1945. The Stars and Stripes newspaper printed for those members of the U.S. Armed Forces kept the men (it was primarily men back then who were doing the soldiering) apprised of the war effort as well as other things such as sports scores at home and other things of interest. An article on the front page of the January 4, 1945 edition of the Stars and Stripes covered Clare Boothe Luce's opinion as to how Tour of Duty home leaves should be handled.


It is interesting comparing her recommendations back then to how furloughs are being handled today.


Two of these Stars and Stripes newspapers were saved by my mother-in-law, one from 1944 and the object of this post from 1945. They are both yellowed with age but shed some interesting information about the history of those times.


They were in my mother-in-law's possession which has since fallen into our hands when she died. Her soldier husband would have been the one who sent them to her and they were tucked away with postcards and other communications from him.


Clare Boothe Luce

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Gen. Chiang Kai-Shek & Madame Chiang welcome Clare Boothe Luce - April of 1942
Gen. Chiang Kai-Shek & Madame Chiang welcome Clare Boothe Luce - April of 1942 | Source

Clare Boothe Luce


This was an educated and interesting lady who among other things was an editor and journalist and even a playwright in her lifetime. Clare Boothe Luce was politically active and became a U.S diplomat and also a U.S. Congresswoman for the State of Connecticut. She also became a well known feminist.


An article interviewing her was one that caught my eye while looking at this vintage newspaper from the mid part of the last century.


Apparently more foot soldiers were needed back then much as they are today.

If more people served our country in uniform, there would not be the need for so many re-deployments over and over again such as what occurs today. This is an extreme hardship on not only our soldiering men and women but takes a big toll on their families as well.


Some of the following text is what journalist Clare Luce had to say on the subject of necessary home leaves back in 1945.

Longines Chronoscope with Mrs. Clare Boothe Luce

Stars and Stripes Newspapers

Stars and Stripes Newspapers
Stars and Stripes Newspapers | Source

Clare Boothe Luce & feminism

"If I Die Before You Wake" Tribute to Armed Forces


Stars and Stripes

"'Tour of Duty' Home Leave Urged for Joes" was the title of the old Stars and Stripes newspaper article in which Clare Boothe Luce was being interviewed and giving her opinions.


Mrs. Luce was recommending that combat troops should have similar leaves as did those who were affiliated with the Air Corps who apparently served for a set amount of time and then became "eligible for relief or furlough" during World War II.


The article stated that..."a certain division in Italy has had 400 days of actual combat, casualties have been heavy and eventually the men get into the frame of mind in which the only future they see is death."

She further declared in the article that more foot soldiers were needed.


Descriptions of them read like this..."The infantryman, slugging it out in mud up to his hips, always wet, always cold, needs more recognition at home."

That last sentence still rings true today whether soldiers are in wet or dry desert-like conditions.


Soldiers should all be honored for their service to flag and country.

Those of us who stay at home reap the benefits of their sacrifice.


We owe them so much!

Questions posed from the Stars and Stripes article:

"Four questions were asked by almost every soldier Mrs. Luce spoke with, she said. These were:

1. - Do we have to fight in the Pacific when the European war is won?

2. - How soon do we get home after the shooting ends?

3. - Will I find a job I like waiting for me?

4. - How are we going to prevent a repetition of this war?"

Are soldiers all that different from 1945 to today? I think not! Those employed in the service of our country (or any country for that matter) are probably thinking similar questions today. Where will they be deployed next? When will they get to come home and be reunited with their friends and families? Will they be able to find or resume doing a job? And will there ever be peace?

Creative Quotations from Clare Boothe Luce...

About the Clare Boothe Luce Policy Institute

Afghanistan


A newscast viewed just a night or two ago on one of our major networks spoke about our veterans who return from war and how they fare as a statistic regarding homelessness.


While the war in Iraq and in Afghanistan have both scaled back, our interests in aiding both countries and others against the onslaught of terrorism continues.


No easy solutions to this ongoing struggle with terrorists who reside in Afghanistan and elsewhere! There are also no absolute rights or wrongs in the decisions that have to be made but horrible shades of gray.


No matter what is decided upon some people will ultimately lose and pay dearly whether we are talking about the Afghans who wish to live peacefully in safe environs...or our soldiers who may be injured or have even paid the price with their lives in defending freedom.


The television report stated that in past wars like Vietnam and others, it often took about 10 years or more for our veterans to join ranks of the homeless on our streets. Now it is taking as little as a year on average! That is shameful and it would seem that the issues of our veterans are perhaps being better addressed physically rather than psychologically.


Multiple tours of duty and re-deployment after re-deployment are to blame according to the news report.


It seems almost miraculous to me that any soldier in the thick of battle can come home and be re-integrated back into so-called normal society and lead a life unscathed by what he (and now she) has endured as many have accomplished through the years.


Once would be bad enough! But just think of the damage done with one exposure after another to the perils and horrors of war!


Clare Luce saw the need for soldiers to get relief back during World War II in the year 1945. What would she think of what our soldiers have to endure today?

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Is the human race doomed to fight among ourselves forever for the cause of freedom?


The first "war to end all wars" much-less the second world war was hopefully supposed to put an end to all of this killing and fighting...but it appears that we humans are still embroiled in warfare in places around our small planet and are slow to learn lessons from history.


Sadly our soldier's tours of duty are still subject matter for concern today.


While they may no longer have to fight for 400 days without relief (as mentioned in the Stars and Stripes newspaper article)...the multiple re-deployments are causing problems of great concern to our soldiers and their families including negatively affecting their children, and ultimately, to all of us.


The after effects of tours of duty in current times seem to be spinning out of control.


Drug and alcohol abuse, broken marriages, increasing numbers of suicide and an ever growing homeless population is the not so pretty side of what is happening to way too many of our returning veterans.


What is the answer?


Obviously a peaceful world would help! And if that is just wishful thinking, then what is the next best thing?


The Army is hoping to shorten the time spent in war zones and give the soldiers more time at home before being re-deployed back into a war zone.


Some people have proposed that everyone of a certain age devote several years of their lives to either being a soldier or doing some type of civil service if there are reasons that the military would not be suitable for physical or other reasons.


Think of the good that could come of that! Why should so small a minority of our citizens bear such a heavy burden while the vast majority do nothing at all for our country?


Being a citizen should not only present one with rights but should also carry some responsibility.


Patriotic Song...(A big THANK YOU to our troops!)

© 2011 Peggy Woods

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      Peggy Woods 17 months ago from Houston, Texas

      Hi Robert,

      I hear you and understand. It could work well...or not. Since it probably won't happen anyway...it is just an idea.

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      Robert Sacchi 17 months ago

      I am a bit jaded, bad experiences. Handling things privately could mean giving cheap labor to well connected businesses.

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      Peggy Woods 17 months ago from Houston, Texas

      Hi Robert,

      Hopefully if in fact some type of civil service job was mandatory, it could be handled privately. Make so many hours of volunteer work part of a degree program or part of getting a plumber's license as an example. Students could use their skills in helping those who could not afford it otherwise. That would be ideal...people helping people. Our government did a pretty good job with the WPA and CCC after the Great Depression. Many examples of work they once did are still evident in lodges, parks, etc. Not sure that our government today would work as well today with the gridlock and poor fiscal responsibility. You are probably right about that!

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      Robert Sacchi 17 months ago

      Today anyone who wants to join the military can apply. A worry about a civil service program is it could turn into a large, mismanaged, government program. The end result being tons of money spent with little to show for it.

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      Peggy Woods 17 months ago from Houston, Texas

      Hi Robert,

      There may never again be a draft, but I would have no objection to young people choosing a couple years of the military or other type of civil service to aid our country. They would be paid and gain experience. The choice would be theirs to make. Had it been in place I would certainly have done that. It could be looked upon as a right of passage.

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      Robert Sacchi 17 months ago

      An interesting article. Yes, there are many more demands on the U.S. military people than there were during the post-Vietnam Era. I believe conscription is not a good idea. I believe many of the current problems you outlined would be multiplied by adding conscripts to the military. While the idea may seem good in theory I don't see it actually working.

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      Peggy Woods 2 years ago from Houston, Texas

      Hi Susie (colorfulone),

      It is interesting reading old newspapers to know what the thoughts of people were in the past. I am sure that Clare Boothe Luce would be disheartened to know of the multiple deployments many of our soldiers endure in this day and time. Like you, I respect our soldiers for their sacrifices and they also have my undying gratitude.

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      Susie Lehto 2 years ago from Minnesota

      This is really very interesting to read about. Clare Boothe Luce did some wonderful things but like you mentioned, I too wonder what she would think if she was alive today.

      Those old newspapers have some history and a story to tell, as you did so well, Peggy.

      The people who have, are and will serve in the armed forces have my undying gratitude.

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      Peggy Woods 4 years ago from Houston, Texas

      OK Suzanne. Thanks.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      What I mean is the idea that it is acceptable to engage in endless wars and that the burden of this must be borne by our men and women in uniform without complaint or respite and without appropriate support is just the price we have to pay for the "privilege of rights" is the dangerous way of thinking that causes the very problem you describe.

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      Peggy Woods 4 years ago from Houston, Texas

      Hi Suzanne,

      I believe that you have made your point about the meaning of two words. I'm not sure what you meant by this statement..."What is happening to our military personnel today is wrong, and it is based in a false concept." Rather nebulous. Obviously we need soldiers. I still think that this comment section has gone off topic. The real topic regards furloughs in the past and what is happening today with regard to the use of our soldiers in that regard. This was not intended as a debate of where our soldiers are being deployed today or the reasons for those deployments.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      Well, it isn't just semantics when two words that have drastically differing meanings are used interchangeably. It is also not off-topic. The notion that we must "pay a price" in terms of the abuse of our men and women in uniform for the "privilege of rights" is at the root of the problem at hand. What is happening to our military personnel today is wrong, and it is based in a false concept.

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      Peggy Woods 4 years ago from Houston, Texas

      Hi again Suzanne,

      We have gotten way off topic regarding semantics. This hub is truly intended to show the contrast between furloughs of old and the common day practice of repeated deployments and the adverse effects it is having upon our returning soldiers regarding homelessness, suicides, broken marriages and the like. It is a heavy toll that they pay for service to our country.

      I will always honor their sacrifices. Whether conflicts or wars are right or wrong...that is a matter of politics and decisions made by (hopefully) the best minds of people in office and what information from intelligence gathering that they have to consider.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      Broken links in your comments would not affect your HUB performance. You really don't need to worry about that.

      Understand that I am not debating. I simply find it very alarming that any American would say that it is a privilege to have rights. The basis of our society is that our rights are inalienable and irrevocable and not based on actions or social status.

      Privileges are earned and endowed upon a person by a parent or employer or some other authority figure. They are easily revoked for perceived infractions.

      To confuse rights and privileges is dangerous to our freedom. Of course, we have responsibilities to our society, but our rights are not dependent upon this and should not be. To see it that way is to let go of freedom and lose the very basis of our democracy.

      No, I was not a member of a debate team. I did have speech class, and I was fortunate enough to attend school before "teaching to the test" came into vogue and at a time when it was still legal to teach critical thinking in the state of Texas.

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      Peggy Woods 4 years ago from Houston, Texas

      Hi Suzanne,

      That is also true. But when I get notices from HP about broken links or phishing sites it is often links that I have inserted that suddenly go bad for some reason. It would be harder to find them in comments. Not sure they would even be highlighted there like they are in the text. Very few people insert links in comments if you have noticed. Like I said, I am going to leave these here for a while. You really should write your own hub about these things of which you feel so strongly.

      Were you by chance in a debate team? (Smiling) You would have been a worthy opponent. I would have been too shy back when I was in high school. My speech class almost killed me. Ha! It served its purpose in later years when I was called upon to give some speeches.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      The rule about links applies to your own HUBS. We are not supposed to promote our HUBS in comments.

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      Peggy Woods 4 years ago from Houston, Texas

      Hi Suzanne,

      I believe that we are not supposed to put links into the comment section. If one of them would suddenly be broken or turn into a phishing site, it could hurt my entire hub and I would not be sure where it was originating. Will leave these live for a while but I might go in and delete them later on for that reason. Hope you understand.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      I agree with your definition, Peggy. That is what my post and the article I link to say. What I am saying is that having rights is not a privilege. The two are completely different. If we internalize the notion that we are privileged to have rights, we also internalize and accept the notion that rights can be taken away. They cannot. Rights are inalienable. The fact that some people do not have them does not make people who do have them privileged. All people should have basic, inalienable human rights. Those who do not are oppressed. Those who do are rightfully treated - not privileged. That is an important distinction.

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      Peggy Woods 4 years ago from Houston, Texas

      Hi Indian Chef,

      I agree that no matter which country one calls home, there are certain duties that are implied for having the right to live there. Some people do more than others, but I guess that is human nature. I wish that all wars everywhere could end and that people around this small planet of ours could learn to live in peace. It seems that ever since the beginning of time people have found reasons to fight with one another. Sad!

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      Indian Chef 4 years ago from New Delhi India

      We have 7 rights and 10 duties as a citizen of India. So a country expects you to do more than ask from it and this is the right way. Today we no longer remember what are our duties but we all want our rights. About war in Iraq or Afghanistan I do not support it but then there are real people dying on both side of fence.. including the innocent civilians and innocent soldiers of USA. I just wish they finish war and let everyone live with peace. twitting it and voting it up and awesome.

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      Peggy Woods 4 years ago from Houston, Texas

      Suzanne,

      Wow...you are certainly keeping an eagle eye on this hub! I don't think that we are debating the meaning of each and every word here and I know exactly what Patricia meant. It IS a privilege to be able to be living in the U.S. and that comes from the moment we are born here or those who earn the right to become a citizen.

      Per Websters...the legal definition:

      "A privilege is a special entitlement to immunity granted by the state or another authority to a restricted group, either by birth or on a conditional basis. It can be revoked in certain circumstances. In modern democratic states, a privilege is conditional and granted only after birth. By contrast, a right is an inherent, irrevocable entitlement held by all citizens or all human beings from the moment of birth."

      Responsibility does come with having rights and privileges...or at least it should.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      It is not a privilege to have rights!

      "Rights vs. Privileges"

      "Just as many people don't know the difference between blame and responsibility, the difference between rights and privileges is often confused. A right is granted by society to its members in order for it to function; a privilege is granted by a group or individual as either a reward for, or conditional upon, good behavior."

      http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/responsibilit...

      While the focus of the article quoted is different from that of this HUB, the information on the difference between rights and privileges is generally applicable.

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      Peggy Woods 4 years ago from Houston, Texas

      Hi Patricia (pstraubie48),

      It also saddens me that we have to be engaged in any wars at any time. So much of that burden falls on so very few of us today who step up and take the role of being a soldier. Someone has to do it and we need to be grateful that they are willing to do it for the rest of us. Many of the national guard people were recently called upon to help with many of our natural disasters. Hurricane Sandy, the tornado in Moore, Oklahoma and other disasters call for their helpful presence. No matter where our soldiers serve, they should be honored for service to our country.

      Thanks for your comment and the angels. Sending them your way also!

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      Patricia Scott 4 years ago from sunny Florida

      You are so right, Peggy. Having rights is a privilege and responsibility does come with it for sure. Each of us needs to do our part for this country.

      What a well done article this is. It is so interesting to see the 1945 version of the way things were and today's war. It saddens me deeply that we are still at WAR any where...and this many years later.

      thank you for sharing this Peggy

      Angels are on the way ps

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      Peggy Woods 4 years ago from Houston, Texas

      Understood and thanks Suzanne.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      You know, I thought about that and at one time I advocated that. I even have a HUB explaining why comments of more than 300 words should be made HUBS. I have changed my mind for this reason. Juxtaposed with your good information, my information will be more likely to stimulate people to think than if I publish it as a standalone. By itself, it will simply draw polarized, argumentative comments that are off-putting and not conducive to thought and consideration. Here, it will be seen and considered by people who are not poised for a fight (as I am not). I would prefer to simply present information others may not have seen and encourage them to quietly consider it than host a flame fight.

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      Peggy Woods 4 years ago from Houston, Texas

      Hi Suzanne,

      You have just about written a hub in your comment. Perhaps you should actually do that on your own site. Some people will wholeheartedly agree with you and others will not. There are often more than two sides to a question when it comes to the machinery of politics.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      It would be interesting to know what Clare Booth Luce, an educated lady, a diplomat and a congresswoman, would have to say about our pre-emptive attack on Iraq and the general quagmire we have sunk ourselves into in the Middle East. There is really no comparison with WWII. Diplomacy is always preferable to war. FDR tried to keep us out of WWII for a very long time and diplomatic efforts were exhausted by the time the Pearl Harbor attack occurred:

      Pre-WWII Diplomacy and WWII: 1939-1945

      “We seek peace – enduring peace. More than an end to war, we want an end to the beginnings of all wars” FDR

      http://bit.ly/PreWWIIDiplomacy

      No such statements or diplomatic attempts issued from the Bush White House before the US invasion of Iraq.

      There is also really no comparison between the US pre-emptive invasion of Iraq and the causes of the Civil War, which centered more around the desire of the North to maintain a complete union and the desire of the South to secede than on any issue of slavery. A parallel might be drawn between Bush foreign policy and the "...bring on a world war" and "wrap-the-world-in-fire policy" of William Henry Seward, then Secretary of State of the Union; however, Lincoln put a stop to that!

      http://bit.ly/PreCWDiplomacy

      Honestly there is a much stronger parallel to be drawn between the fire in the Reichstag in 1933 and Germany's subsequent pre-emptive invasion of Austria (which was later proven to have had nothing to do with it) and 9/11 and the subsequent US pre-emptive invasion of Iraq (which was known at the time to have had nothing to do with it).

      While it is true that 2 terrorists can do a tremendous amount of damage, it is equally true that cutbacks on funding for public safety can do more. Most people have already forgotten that within days of the Boston bombings, a fertilizer plant here in the "miracle" state of Texas blew up causing massive devastation and multiple deaths. The plant had not been inspected since 1985 and illegally stored tons of dangerous, explosive substances with little or no security measures in place.

      Here is a very interesting sermon by Reverend Roger Ray of Community Christian Church of Springfield MO that discusses this topic:

      http://bit.ly/BeholdtheProfit

      The media handily redirected our attention away from the fertilizer plant explosion in West, Texas and finessed us all into being afraid of brown-skinned terrorists instead. The terror threat in the world is greatly exaggerated, and it is being used to keep us off balance and afraid while our true rights and freedoms are being systematically undermined.

      http://bit.ly/Exaggeration

      Those who enrich themselves with worldwide human suffering are few in number, indeed. In fact, they make up less than 1% of us, and they hold "35.4% of all privately held wealth, and the next 19% (the managerial, professional, and small business stratum) had 53.5%, which means that just 20% of the people owned a remarkable 89%, leaving only 11% of the wealth for the bottom 80% (wage and salary workers)."

      http://bit.ly/TheTop1Percent

      We the People do still have some power, and we do indeed need to defend our freedoms. We can begin by examining what we are told and asserting our own power over our own resources, including our valuable men and women in service who are being squandered and abused.

      “The only limit to our realization of tomorrow will be the doubts of today.” FDR

      "We have nothing to fear but fear itself." FDR

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      Peggy Woods 4 years ago from Houston, Texas

      Hi Suzanne,

      This is why I do not normally get into any kind of political debate. You are firm in your beliefs and may I just say that I politely disagree. I think that we HAD to enter WW2 or Hitler would have overrun Europe and killed who knows how many MORE people? Were we to do nothing after the attack on Pearl Harbor? Sometimes events make people and countries stand up for what they believe is right. Our own Civil War was one of the bloodiest and right on our own soil. One of the reasons for the fight was over slavery.

      In this day and age our world has become an even more dangerous place. Just look at the carnage a couple of terrorists recently did in Boston.

      We have to be concerned about not only explosive devices and even nuclear weapons, but chemical and biological ones as well. Even if we wished to become isolationist and ignore what is happening in the world, it will eventually land on our doorstep.

      Our country and our allies are doing a pretty good job of protecting us. They have thwarted many terrorist attempts here and abroad and it is a full time job. But it takes an all out effort to accomplish and it is hard to be right 100% of the time.

      I am grateful for our civilian and military people who serve to protect us. They cannot all be cast in the light of just being self serving and simply trying to enrich their bank accounts. Let's end this debate. It has gotten far off the track of the focus and intent of this hub. Thanks.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      No, we did not gain control over middle eastern oil, but that was the original goal.

      "I wish there was never a need for war! It would be wonderful to be able to spend the same amount of money on good things like feeding the hungry and housing the homeless as just 2 examples."

      There is no need for war. We can choose to use our money for the things we need and live in peace with the rest of the world. We just need to stop buying into the corporate brainwashing and manipulation that keeps us in a constant state of unrest while picking our pockets!

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      Peggy Woods 4 years ago from Houston, Texas

      Hi Suzanne,

      This hub was geared more towards the effects of needed furloughs and also the horrendous impact of repeated re-deployments of our soldiers and what Clare Luce Booth had to say on the same subject be it in the mid 1940's. It is obvious what you think of fighting in the middle east from your response. As to gaining control of middle eastern oil...while that has been bandied about...it certainly has not happened. Do some companies get rich from fighting wars? Absolutely! That has always happened.

      As to more of us shouldering some responsibility...I mentioned civil service as well as military service. I wish there was never a need for war! It would be wonderful to be able to spend the same amount of money on good things like feeding the hungry and housing the homeless as just 2 examples. Thanks for your comment.

      I have my comments set to be approved before they are posted...thus your inability to correct typos once submitted. It helps eliminate the occasional spam from showing up and that is the reason.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      ...correction...

      I meant "middle eastern countries" not "middle eastern companies" but I am unable to edit my comment.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      "Is the human race doomed to fight among ourselves forever for the cause of freedom?"

      Well, we aren't really "fighting for freedom". The purpose of the middle eastern wars is to gain control of middle eastern oil and to pour our tax dollars into Halliburton's coffers:

      http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/308-1...

      Additionally, the fact that these wars to benefit rich white men (e.g. Dick Cheney, the Koch brothers, the Bush family) have destroyed our economy places many people who already live a perilous existence at risk and forces them to sign up or starve.

      http://www.createblog.com/forums/lofiversion/index...

      A very large percentage of these are people of color:

      http://www.mediamouse.org/news/2006/01/military-re...

      The fact that we have killed 132,000 Iraqis and Afghanis:

      http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/06/afghanista...

      also speaks volumes about the color and race biased purposes of these wars without end.

      Should more people participate?

      Absolutely not!

      We should all rise up in protest against this abuse of our own people and the people in middle eastern companies as well as the theft and squandering of our assets and the destruction of our economy.

      Voted up and interesting.

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      Peggy Woods 4 years ago from Houston, Texas

      Hi eagledoc1,

      Vietnam vets were certainly not welcomed back as they should have been and as all soldiers deserve to be treated. My brothers felt the same as you. I thought that this old newspaper article in the Stars and Stripes was interesting. Clare Booth Luce obviously cared about the long deployments back in those days. Thanks for your comment.

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      eagledoc1 4 years ago from Modesto, California

      Isn't it sad that we keep making the same mistakes. Vietnam vets were not welcome when I came home in '68. Peggy, I absolutely loved the information you provided here. Who would every think that Clare Booth Luce, a strong feminist, would give soldiers the credit and concern you reported here. So happy to meet you Peggy and I'll be checking back. God Bless.

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      Peggy Woods 6 years ago from Houston, Texas

      Hello jboland,

      Glad that you found this old Stars and Stripes article of interest and thanks for your comment.

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      jboland 6 years ago from Chico, CA

      Awesome hub. Thank you for this.

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      Peggy Woods 6 years ago from Houston, Texas

      Hi Prasetio,

      Yes, it would be nice if there was no war and no need to take care of soldiers scarred by their war experiences. Maybe someday if we become enlightened enough? We can only hope! Thanks for your comment.

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      Peggy Woods 6 years ago from Houston, Texas

      Hi Nell Rose,

      You make some valid points. Like you, I think our returning soldiers should be better cared for when (and if) they return home. They deserve better treatment and it is a crime to see them homeless. Both of our countries share similar problems from what you say. Thanks for joining in this discussion with your comment.

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      prasetio30 6 years ago from malang-indonesia

      Nice hub, Peggy. You remind me about "Tour of Duty" film. But this is much better. I hope the world will always peace and far away from any kind of "war", no more blood and cry. Again... you filled your hub with fantastic pictures. Well done, my friend. Vote it up! Have a nice weekend..

      Blessing and hugs,

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      Nell Rose 6 years ago from England

      Hi, I remember seeing a TV program a few weeks ago about how our veterans, (British) were on the streets when they came home. One of the points mentioned was that it was because they couldn't cope on their own after seeing so much blood shed, I believe that they should be the ones given homes and help, not people who come straight into this country, its getting ridiculous. Every time there is a war anywhere in the world it is the Brits and the Americans who have to go and fight. They not only have to put up with fighting the enemy, they also get attacked by the so called friendly people of that country. Another thing that gets to me is that, even though there are many countries that state they hate the States and Britain, the second they have an earthquake or something natural happen, they expect us to go running out to help them. And we do. its always us. A lot of people in England have said that they want national service to come back, and I quite agree, maybe then our young people would appreciate the servicemen and women of our countries, cheers nell

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      Peggy Woods 6 years ago from Houston, Texas

      Hi James,

      I'm not sure about that analogy, James. Going back to the Bible, one does not have to get far before reading about Cain and Able and it seems that the peoples of this earth have been fighting with one another over one thing or another almost from the beginning. Think of the Crusades supposedly fought in the guise of religion. Even prior to Christianity, wars were taking place...so our warlike demeaner pre-dates and post-dates Christianity.

      Clare Boothe Luce would have wished better for not only our troops but the world in general I believe. Thanks for reading about this piece posted in that old Stars and Stripes newspaper from the year 1945. I found it interesting and thanks for your comment.

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      James A Watkins 6 years ago from Chicago

      Thank you for this excellent, thoughtful article. Clare Booth Luce is a fascinating woman, to be sure. In regard to war itself, I still think that the First World War is the greatest tragedy to ever befall mankind. It came after several decades in which Europe discarded the Christian Faith in huge numbers and bought into Darwinism as a replacement worldview. Coincidence?

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      Peggy Woods 6 years ago from Houston, Texas

      Hi CASE1WORKER,

      I totally agree with you! Clare Boothe Luce would be amazed at the technology today. I am sure that she would also be rooting for good training programs for veterans and help in getting work after their service to our country. Thanks for your comment.

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      CASE1WORKER 6 years ago from UNITED KINGDOM

      An interesting Hub. I think Clare Booth Luce would have been intrigued by the communication explosion and how you can keep in touch with the men at the front so easily. My nephew has just returned from Afghan and is continuing his career. Surely the US government should have a programme in place to make sure that veterans are trained and supported in getting work- it just makes so much sense

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      Peggy Woods 6 years ago from Houston, Texas

      Hi Cheryl,

      Clare Boothe Luce was certainly a woman who made an impact in this life and paved the way for more women to follow in her footsteps. Those old Stars and Stripes newspapers are interesting to read as they portray a piece of our past history. Thanks for your comment. You were certainly up early...or late! :))

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      Cheryl J. 6 years ago from Houston, TX

      A very interesting hub. Great photos of your Dad, Clare Booth Luce and videos of the war. I am happy to see women come to the front. Clare Booth Luce is a pioneer to be remembered a lifetime for her great works. Another great hub.

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      Peggy Woods 6 years ago from Houston, Texas

      Hi sarovai,

      Clare Boothe Luce was certainly a well known feminist in her day and time. Thanks for reading this hub and leaving your comment.

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      sarovai 6 years ago

      I back to read your interesting hubs. The feminist Clare Boothe Luce really attracted the world by her actions. No doubt about this. Thank u for sharing.

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      Peggy Woods 6 years ago from Houston, Texas

      Hi Ethel,

      Agreed. The videos are poignant. Thanks for commenting on this hub regarding an article in the Stars and Stripes newspaper interviewing Clare Boothe Luce back in 1945.

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      Eileen Kersey 6 years ago from Kingston-Upon-Hull

      Interesting Peggy. Some poignant vidoes there

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      Peggy Woods 6 years ago from Houston, Texas

      Hi SweetiePie,

      The question would then be...do we ignore atrocities around the world and just close our eyes? Had not we thrown in with those opposing Hitler and Mussolini, Europe would look much different today. We were not attacked on that front.

      If we would simply close our eyes to atrocities in the world and let the extremists take over and rule...is that the world in which we want to live?

      Except in cases of mass executions like happened under Hitler's rule and IS happening in Sudan and elsewhere today...I agree that self-determination is the best policy.

      No easy answers!

      Ideally I would love to see our troops serving in more humanitarian roles. Of course they have been doing some of that in Iraq and Afghanistan in addition to rooting out terrorist strongholds.

      Another important element is the cost! We need to do so much right here in our own country to help the poor, homeless, ill and hungry not to mention infrastructure problems...and our debt ceiling keeps being raised. How much longer can we continue to be the "good guys" around the world and ignore our own problems?

      The lines have to be drawn somewhere in the sand. Thanks for your well considered comment.

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      SweetiePie 6 years ago from Southern California, USA

      World War II was entered because we were forced into it by being attacked at Pearl Harbor, but ever since then our country has been way too involved militarily in other countries. What I would like to see is less emphasis on military involvement overseas, and finding peaceful solutions for ways we can help others. Afghanistan has had a sad history of occupation and local extremists, but to me, the solution would be to let them determine if they want a peaceful future. I believe in the self-determination of nations, and think our country would be better off without intervening every where. I would like us to focus on how we can help others in more peaceful ways.

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      Peggy Woods 6 years ago from Houston, Texas

      Hi Billy,

      Considering all of the countries in the world, that is a mere pittance of a number...but like you said, it is a start! Clare Boothe Luce was a pioneer. There weren't that many women Congresswomen back in her time and men still outnumber women today.

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      billyaustindillon 6 years ago

      You have a woman PM in Australia, had one in NZ, a woman chancellor in Germany and a female head of the IMF - so we getting somewhere. Of course there are others also but those are who come to mind first.

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      Peggy Woods 6 years ago from Houston, Texas

      Hi Billy,

      I really think that you have something there! Others have voiced the same opinion. Of course in some parts of the world women are looked upon and treated as second class citizens without the rights of men. Much would have to be changed to have women at the helm of all ships of state. My thought is that it couldn't get any worse than we have it today. Would be an interesting experiment.

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      billyaustindillon 6 years ago

      Peggy so many thought provoking points here, sadly it does seem man is destined to fight wars forever even in this so called mature stage of our evolution that hatred is still so intense in many sectors of the world. I have always harnessed a theory that if you put women in charge we would have no wars. Whilst Maggie Thatcher did lead the UK into the Falklands war I still like the theory.

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      Peggy Woods 6 years ago from Houston, Texas

      Hi Prasetio,

      Your solution would be the best of all...PEACE. I watched a horrible scenario of what is happening today in parts of Africa. Severe drought and warfare in Somalia is causing a mass migration of people to camps where they are congregating under tents of used cardboard and scraps of material. They interviewed a mother with many children who actually left one child of hers to die along along the roadside so that the rest might survive. Bringing tears to my face as I write this. Then...after arriving and avoiding being tortured and killed had they NOT migrated, there is not enough food and medicine in the camps.

      Why oh why can't our military might and soldiers be used for humanitarian purposes instead of fighting? Makes me heartsick. As you say war brings nothing but "sadness and tears" and we (all the countries and peoples of the world) could do so much better. Are dreams of peace forever to be obliterated? Sigh!

      Thanks for your comment.

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      Peggy Woods 6 years ago from Houston, Texas

      Hi Pamela,

      An all volunteer army seems great on the surface and they are well trained and make up a highly efficent fighting force. But what about how often they are sent over and over again (multiple deployments) to areas in conflict around the world? The effects to themselves and their families is severe and causing escalating problems never before seen...the homelessness, the addictions, the increasing suicides, etc. IF we had more troops, the burden would not be placed upon so few proportionate to the total population.

      And who, for the most part, joins the military today? I would say that it is the less affuent among our society for the most part. They have fewer options so join the military for the benefits afterwards (if they survive the experience) like help with schooling expenses, housing loans, etc. Steep price to pay!

      Personally I like the idea of the choice between a few years of military service OR civil service to our country. Think of what could be accomplished! The civil service could even be in a form of volunteer work. No benefits afterwards (like the military) but the value of work done and feeling good about helping others.

      Thanks for your comment. We need some ideas to help remedy the situation as it exists today for our veterans.

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      prasetio30 6 years ago from malang-indonesia

      Hi, Peggy. How are you today? I hope you always fine and healthy...amen. Thanks for share this hub with us. I always find something vintage through your hub, including the history in the past. Brilliant and very well written. The world would be a beautiful without war, war is always leave sadness and tears. I thought we love peace, right! Nice topic and I love all pictures above. Vote up and I'll press all buttons except funny.

      Blessing and hugs,

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      Pamela Oglesby 6 years ago from United States

      I enjoyed your hub and service to our country is certainly an honorable thing to do but I don't want them to re-institute the draft. I like an all volunteer military. Very good hub.

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      Peggy Woods 6 years ago from Houston, Texas

      Hi Happyboomernurse,

      A draft would be the most fair way of maintaining our military strength IF it was applied equitably...but as you say...would we then be involved in even more conflicts across the globe? Would be nice to think that those trained soldiers could be utilized more for projects at home that need accomplishing and that the majority would truly be backups for "in case" scenarios.

      It was my pleasure to include the link to your important hub. Obviously more has to be done to help our soldiers and veterans! Thanks for doing your part by publishing that important information. It is obvious that you care.

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      Gail Sobotkin 6 years ago from South Carolina

      Very comprehensive, thought-provoking hub. I was speaking with some Vietnam Veterans the other day and they were saying we ought to go back to a draft system but if we did do that it would be important to have the draft apply equally to everyone.

      Personally, though, the idea of a draft scares me as I'm afraid our polititians would be even more inclined to start new wars and to prolong the wars we're in.

      However, I do worry about the severe stress that multiple deployments inflict on our soldiers and that it leads to PTSD and the downward slope of being high risk for unemployment and homelessness and even suicide. Thanks for including a link to my "Remembering Veterans Who Have Committed Suicide & Preventing Future Deaths."

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      Peggy Woods 6 years ago from Houston, Texas

      Hello copywriter31,

      There is some validity to what you say. Can we afford to be the world's army or police force anymore? As to having our hands tied when it comes to fighting wars...so much has changed. The enemy is so often now integrated amidst civilians and unfortunately they often suffer casualties although totally innocent. Not the "good old days" of one line of soldiers approaching another and mowing each other down. Sigh! No easy answers! The purse book may ultimately help determine outcomes of certain conflicts.

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      Peggy Woods 6 years ago from Houston, Texas

      Hi dahoglund,

      As you say the National Guard and the reserves are being used in ways never imagined when they were formed and that is because we do not have enough troops to do it in any other way. Of course how we choose to use our troops around the world has something to do with this also. Thanks for your comment and additions to this hub.

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      James Ranka 6 years ago from Port Neches

      I've never fought in a war. In fact, the draft during the Vietnam debacle ended one day before my 18th birthday.

      The sad truth about your hub is these brave men and women need not be suffering as they are following their return to America, but I've got the solution for avoiding future HORRIBLE statistics... (Addressed to our gutless politicians who declare war) FIGHT THE WAR LIKE WE WANT TO WIN THE DAMN THING! One more thing, we simply can't afford to protect the world anymore - these foreign countries don't appreciate us anyway.

      I have the utmost respect for our fighting forces and when I see one or more in a public place I always say "thank you".

      This is a VERY good hub... thank you.

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      Don A. Hoglund 6 years ago from Wisconsin Rapids

      I've always had mixed feelings on the subject of having a military draft. In theory it seems bad but as a practical matter it might be better than the alternatives.

      I think today the National Guard and reserves are overused.The are also being used for purposes they were not designed for, that is as a backup for emergencies until a regular force can be trained.

      Comba vets that I used to work with have told me the effects of modern transportation. Back in the second wold war soldiers were sent on shipboard and it took a long time to get to where they were going to fight. They had time to adjust somewhat psychologically. In the Viet Nam war they were air transported.They could go from a normal environment one minute and in battle a few hours later.

      Now they are on extremely long tours of duty and that takes a toll also.

      Back in the 1950's when I joined the Naval Reserves we had a system called "Universal Military Service" which meant that all able bodied men had a civil obligation to serve in the military for a certain number of years. This could be various combinations of active duty or reserves. The requirement varied over time. Many of us joined in order to have more control over our fate.

      I think it was a better concept than those that came later. The lottery of the Nam era makes no sense to me and was not at all fair.

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      Peggy Woods 6 years ago from Houston, Texas

      Hi Charles,

      Thanks for the first comment on this hub. Far too many of our veterans are suffering the after effects of war with all of these multiple deployments. Aside from becoming totally isolationist and not helping anyone in the world outside of our borders (a non-starter argument and one that won't succeed) there has to be a more equitable solution. Thanks for your service to our country!

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      charles criner 6 years ago

      Very nice as usual. I learned some things that I wasn't clear on. We appreciate your work, and look forward to e-mailes from you.