ArtsAutosBooksBusinessEducationEntertainmentFamilyFashionFoodGamesGenderHealthHolidaysHomeHubPagesPersonal FinancePetsPoliticsReligionSportsTechnologyTravel

Dateline: Purgatory - Darlie Routier Book

Updated on July 22, 2018
Jackie Lynnley profile image

I have always had a fascination with true crime and legal system that has many times falsely accused and sentence and even sometimes killed.

This author in the beginning thought Darlie Routier indeed killed her boys. The media was pushing that and showed her having a party at her dead son'r graves! How heartless can a mother be? But then I find out there are two videos and she is sobbing in the other, the one no one wants anyone to see. The also sell us all on her low morals, that makes her a murderer, doesn't it?

It does seem clear in this reading that the jury will only see what the prosecution wants them to see, much like the media, much like today's media. It is undeniable that the defense put little if any effort in this trial and objected to very little.

So it is very easy to see how a jury could be persuaded. So very much they do not see of what they should have and on one important issue they are even lied to.

Yet this does not call for a new trial? Let's see what you think from the information in this book by Kathy Cruz.


Darlie has been almost 20 years in prison and still has held to her innocence of the crime she was convicted of.
Darlie has been almost 20 years in prison and still has held to her innocence of the crime she was convicted of. | Source

Kathy Cruz investigation - New Look at Old Mystery

Dateline: Purgatory is a fairly recent book out by Kathy Cruz. I was very anxious to read it knowing it would lead me through all the trial and days of the trial and conviction of Darlie Routier.

I have read through the court documents so much and I have read 1001 views of others. I find that quite a few of us (myself being one) who had no doubts that Darlie did this looked at it differently once we found out there was more than one scene at the silly string grave party that showed two sides of this mother. We only saw what the prosecution wanted us to see.

Kathy tells us how Dana, Darlie's younger sister has had a lifetime now of guilt being the one to bring the silly string and possibly causing the prosecution to have a ploy to convince not only the jury this made Darlie guilty but perhaps the general public.


Justice for Darlie Routier?

Dateline Purgatory is full of food for thought for how this trial went.
Dateline Purgatory is full of food for thought for how this trial went. | Source

Did no one on the defense team question her muddled memory and what could possibly cause it if not the sliced throat?

So Many Things Missed

Several friends saw the sores in Darlie’s mouth and fed her ice to help the pain she is having even being half out of it. She was also heavily medicated the day of the silly string and suffering from dry mouth and was why she was acting loopy and smacking gum someone had given her for dry mouth her friends claim.

Could Darlie have been knocked out with ether or xylene it is questioned. Since these both were easy to obtain in 1996 for auto parts but also for building computer hard drives. This would answer so much of Darlie's actions and her sore mouth. This would have wiped out memory of the happenings and possibly struggle with someone trying to kill her and certainly answer all the confusion she had.

Neither of the Routier’s cars are in the driveway this night and the sports car is broken down. They were preparing to leave for vacation and did someone perhaps not seeing any cars think they were already gone?

They claimed no dust was wiped from the window that someone was supposed to have come through and the dirt was not disturbed. Darlie’s best friend’s husband (Kenneth Waits) said he checked this out after her sentencing and there was no dirt beneath the window to be disturbed and not only that but the big window was only about six inches off the ground which meant anyone could step right through it not having to disturb dust. He said they lied about all of that that was listed in her arrest affidavit. (Why did the defense not check any of this out?)

Was there ever any suspect besides Darlie?
Was there ever any suspect besides Darlie? | Source

Working Free for Darlie

Stephen Cooper became Darlie’s court appointed lawyer in 1997 after her conviction no doubt because she had no more funds for a lawyer but this lawyer has gone on representing her at no charge because he believes in her innocence as so many have.

Source

Black Car Mystery

Several witnesses told the police they had seen a black car just before these murders. That they appeared to be watching the Routier house! Why would they lie? (The book will also tell you about a white truck that Darlie reported seeing that day and the connection it could have to two criminal thugs who claimed to have done some stabbing that night!)

Terry Laber and Bart Epstein, blood splatter experts, were prepared to testify that Darlie had not staged a crime scene but were never called to testify by Darlie’s Lawyer Mulder! They had already been paid except for travel expense to come testify. Mulder did not think they had anything to add to the case so he did not call them. With practically nothing for the defense why would he make this choice?

The defense kept claiming that Darlie slept through the murders of her two sons instead of suggesting she may have been unconscious during that time which greatly affected the jury’s thinking. Did no one on the defense team question her muddled memory and what could possibly cause it if not the sliced throat?

Source

Reasonable Doubt?

A partial bloody print that still has not been identified.
A partial bloody print that still has not been identified. | Source

Unidentified Fingerprint

The unidentified bloody partial fingerprint that was found on a glass sofa table by crime scene investigator James Con, between the room of the attacks and the kitchen was said during trial to be of a child’s between the age of five and six. After the trial a forensic anthropologist said it was a print of an unidentified adult. Although a scan of it could very well name the owner if the print is clear enough; law enforcement has to make that request and so far they clearly have no intent of doing so.

Casting Doubt

Mulder claimed he was only Darin’s lawyer for less than 60 seconds when he was accused of breaking a gag order he had not been cautioned about. If Darlie was the only client then to save her life why did he not mention Darlie asking him for a divorce or mention the high insurance on Darlie’s life which the jury never got to hear about? He did bring it up for the sentencing…would that not have been important to at least put one doubt in the jury's mind?

Tired of being Daisy Duke

Darlie asked Darin for a divorce just hours before the attacks on her and her sons. She said she did not feel like being Daisy Duke for him anymore dressing sexy in front of her sons was starting to bother her conscience and they were fighting about it often. So this was not the first time she threatened to divorce him; other times he threatened to hurt himself in front of their sons if she left him; but this time he just went upstairs and went to bed.

Is Darlie Routier Guilty?

Are you convinced of Darlie's guilt or do you think she could have been railroaded?

See results
Source

Convenient Afterthoughts?

1. It was not at first known how the necklace became embedded but after removal two nicks were found in the necklace. The necklace could have well been what kept a main artery from being severed.

2. Investigator who questioned Darlie in hospital did not use recordings or written notes.

3. It wasn’t until five years after Darlie’s conviction that Darin confessed to plotting a break in for insurance scam.

4. With the growing number of influential people convinced of Darlie's innocence why can no one help her?

5.The sock in the alley contained Damon’s blood and no blood trail from Darlie was found meaning if she inflicted her own wounds it had to be after she stabbed him and since he was still living when the first respondent's arrived it meant he had to have been stabbed just minutes before not allowing the timeline it would have taken for Darlie to have done it and this from courtroom testimony. So Darlie had to be ruled out as the one to do this. No one bothered.

6. Sarilda, Darlie’s mother-in-law saw a mass of black bruises under Darlie’s hospital gown on her body not in view. Was this photographed? A nurse called these defense wounds.

7. Sandy Aitken, Darin’s aunt noted the judge went to sleep 16 times during the trial and was asleep seriously when the Rowlett Police Lieutenant James Walling was testifying about handling of bloody crime scene evidence some of which he put in the car and defense attorneys concerned with inexperienced police officers putting articles in the same bag making transference a possibility changing the interpretation of blood splatter.

8. All the evidence has been kept in brown grocery bags since 1996; moved around and back and forth when it should have been vacuum sealed! (You can see them in video below.)

9. The material found in the bread knife they claimed were from the screen was also consistent with fibers in a brush they would have used over fingerprints. Charles Linch who did this testing on this had been hospitalized for alcoholism and depression just previous to this which was not known until years later.

10. Why does the information sent back to the jury by court reporter Sandra Halsey saying the utility door was locked (which it was not but the garage door was locked) make grounds for a new trial? They had to wonder why there was absolutely no damage to this door when in fact all anyone had to do was simply open and walk in.

"An earthquake achieves what the law promises but does not in practice maintain — the equality of all men."

— Ignazio Silone
Source

Forgiveness for "Precious Angels"

Barbara Davis who wrote Precious Angels accusing Darlie of killing her two sons now believes Darlie was railroaded.

Davis was in the house with her 25 year old son three years after Darlie was convicted when police broke down the door and shot and killed her son and arrested her. This was from a false police report in a drug investigation and Barbara had to grieve her dead son from jail; the same as Darlie Routier had hers. She changed her mind about Darlie’s guilt and apologized to Darlie and was instantly forgiven the same as the juror who asked forgiveness for his guilty vote.

Source

More Interesting Tidbits

The Routier hose was torn all to pieces and parts of furniture, walls and appliances even, were taken as evidence. In the mass of things taken from the Routier house is Darlie's Will for her boys. She states who they should go to and how their inheritance would not be given to them until they are 25 if they do not go to college and that if they should marry the money would be protected.

So Many Questions

Here are a few that Dateline:Purgatory brings up:

1. Who was the man Darin saw in the house and thought was a policeman before the first policeman showed up? (If he is telling the truth; could this be the or one of the intruders going out the front door before police arrive?)

2. If Darlie threw the sock in the alley as a prop to make herself look innocent then why does she never mention it? When she is questioned she never says a word about the sock. So what was the point if she did indeed put it there?

3. Did prosecutors use breast implants and a male stripper to get the death penalty for Darlie? (They spent repeated times putting Darlie down as a woman to the jury as if that equaled murderer. Did it to the jury?)

4. What other mother has killed her children with her husband just feet away in the same house? (Can you name one?)

5. What was the motive given for Darlie killing her sons? (What mother who no longer wants her kids are so involved in their lives (school and home) as Darlie was?

6. Darlie's defense lawyer, Mulder, claimed he was only Darin’s lawyer for less than 60 seconds when Darin was accused of breaking a gag order he had not been cautioned about. If Darlie was the only client then to save her life why did he not mention Darlie asking Darin for a divorce or mention the high insurance Darin had on Darlie’s life which the jury never got to hear about? (Mulder only brought it up for the sentencing once she was found guilty.)

Silvia Chase 3 years after Darlie's conviction

Self-inflicted? In hospital photo. Main artery barely missed in her neck. Two jurors swear they never saw these photos.
Self-inflicted? In hospital photo. Main artery barely missed in her neck. Two jurors swear they never saw these photos.
Prosecution claim Darlie inflicted these wounds on herself before or after she stabbed her sons and ran and threw a sock down the alley.
Prosecution claim Darlie inflicted these wounds on herself before or after she stabbed her sons and ran and threw a sock down the alley.

Humanly Possible to Make All Those Wounds and Bruises to Oneself?

I simply cannot believe Darlie made these wounds on herself and I do not see how anyone could. What other mother that murdered or tried to murder their child did this sort of injury to themselves? I really would like to see an example. Darlie always looked like a doll and there was no testimony from anyone that she ever enjoyed injuring herself. These are deep bruises and wounds; it took a lot of effort for them to be made. They are so obviously defense wounds; how much thought and effort it took if these were done by her and I will never believe she did this.

Court Transcripts Incorrect

The jury asked if the utility door was locked and the answer sent back to them by the court reporter Sandra Halsey was ‘yes it was locked’ but the true answer was Darin said the garage door was locked but not the utility door. So the jury could have and maybe did assume from this that the utility door going into the house should have shown forced entry if someone came in through the window with the torn screen and through that door. Of course it did not have damage, being unlocked, but the jury never knew this.

There was a real mess also with this court reporter who was going through marital trouble with her husband and she claimed to not have the trial transcripts that were for some reason in her garage and to keep from getting into trouble she claimed they had been erased and she didn’t have them. Then she went before a judge and according to this book admittedly lied.

The court had to have them redone and was out the $74,000 Halsey was paid plus that again. Halsey allegedly had 3300 errors in the transcripts; misspellings, typographical errors, omitted words and misidentified speakers!

Supposedly when all this was said and done (the book is not clear on who said this) it was offered to Darlie to admit her guilt and they would take death off the table and she would just have life. She knows death could be coming soon since she is older and her notoriety is wearing off and the state would feel better in doing that now.

But she said no; she refused to say she was guilty of killing her sons; as she has continued to do now for almost 20 years. She says she is ready to die if that is how it is to be and that God must have His reason for all she has been through.

Sources:

Dateline: Purgatory by Kathy Cruz

YouTube videos

https://www.facebook.com/notes/why-darlie-routier-is-innocent-myth-vs-fact/a-note-from-an-rn-on-darlies-injuries-and-trauma-icu-stay/1418209574871303/

© 2015 Jackie Lynnley

Comments

Submit a Comment

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    3 weeks ago from The Beautiful South

    I hope they are Ronda, I just keep hoping the right one will come along too, that can open this back up for Darlie.

  • Ronda Flowers profile image

    Ronda Flowers 

    3 weeks ago

    ABC aired 4 parts for the Routier case beginning June 12th

    ... initially was to b 3 parts for Darlie Routier and 3 parts for Julius Jones who is currently on Death Row n Oklahoma.

    The Last Defense https://g.co/kgs/ewu1PW

  • fpherj48 profile image

    Paula 

    3 weeks ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Ronda.......When did The Last Defense air? on what program or network, please? I missed it! I'm sure they'll repeat it.....(I HOPE)

  • Ronda Flowers profile image

    Ronda Flowers 

    4 weeks ago

    Do you feel that, since the recently aired showing of Viola Davis's The Last Defense, more people will and are starting to take notice of Darlie's case?

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    7 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Poor Darlie, I do hope someone will do something quickly. I cannot imagine all those years she has had to be there and of course at first Darin has led her on to have hope while knowing there was none and he would see to it.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    7 months ago

    Jackie Lynnle. I spent years combing this case. I went through the witnesses testimony and compared their timelines to the 911. I can say without a shadow a doubt that Darin did leave that house right after Waddell came in. Waddell said Darin went to karens when he first got there, but he didn't and her testimony proves it. I was also able to prove that Darlie could not have seen Darin come out of his room. All the evidence is there to make an arrest on Darin, but they are terrified that Darlie will sue them. They would rather murder an innocent mother than admit they were wrong and pay her out. I often wondered if she signed a document saying she wouldn't sue state if they set her free. I mapped out exactly what Darin did and I am convinced he is guilty, I also believe I can prove with out any doubt.

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    7 months ago from The Beautiful South

    I am very surprised the law is not breathing down his neck, they really astound me at times.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    7 months ago

    Bryan St John is obsessed with destroying this family. He has trolled the internet for years slandering Darlie. He is just plain dangerous

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    7 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Bryan is one weird person and I honestly could not say. I cannot stand to listen to him. He may as well be the devil.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    7 months ago

    Very true Jackie

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    7 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Belated holiday wishes to you too, M Forbes. I think an arrest on Darin will incriminate the police force who really set Darlie up, while protecting Darin for God only knows what reason, so I would not hold my breath on that.

    Only if they get some serious guns in there will anything ever be done. It is such a sad case and more so for those who refuse to look at Darin, who had the only thing to gain by the three of these deaths. I used to really believe he was only after Darlie and the kids got in the way but now I cannot see but he had to have had a personal hand in it all and knew the kids would be goners too. With not a hint Darlie would live through this. I do believe that necklace is what saved Darlie and landed her on death row.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    7 months ago

    Hello Jackie, wanted to say a late Merry Christmas to you and a happy new year. Glad to see your still working on this case. I have been away from some time now but I do have some new information to post here. I am still hoping they will grant her a new trial. Its obvious by now she does deserve a new trial and an investigation needs to be done on Darin. The evidence is there all they have to do is make an arrest in my opinion.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    10 months ago

    I have been hearing a lot of rumors lately that Bryan St John was accused of killing the boys and attacking Darlie. He has claimed for years that him and Darin are friends. Do you think there is any chance that his obsession with Darlie could have anything to do with Darin involving him in the crime. Bryan did admit he knew them before the crime, he was friends with Darin?

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    10 months ago

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    10 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Thanks so much, will check it out now.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    10 months ago

    I agree Jackie, another supporter opened this new blog for us to be able to talk openly about the case, it doesnt block us out by bringing facts up about Darin and it doesn't allow the Darlie haters to harass the members https://www.facebook.com/groups/133789730701824/?r...

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    10 months ago from The Beautiful South

    One of the first things I read was how bad they messed up the crime scene. That could be the sole reason they pinned it on Darlie so fast to help cover that fact up.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    10 months ago

    The police didn't look at the 911 call and they didn't read his statement. That was obvious. They would have known right away he wasn't in his room. Once they realized he lied that should have opened the door but instead it lead the police to setting up Darlie just to cover their mistakes.

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    10 months ago from The Beautiful South

    I hope you can M. You have brought so many things to light about him. I just went on a gut feeling about him, listening to him talk about a dead son. He sent chills up my spine knowing there was no love or remorse there. You though have really worked on these records and dug out so many facts I had no idea of.

    I do still get hung up on that dog a lot that most people choose to ignore. A very important matter if you ask me. Why wouldn't the police have zoned in on that? Am I missing something?

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    10 months ago

    I was a member of a view Darlie groups, but the stalking, lies and insults just became over whelming. Darin and his supporters are relentless in their behavior to try and mislead the public. I left the groups, but I do plan on writing another article, based on just Darins lies. Maybe we can get to the root of what he really did.

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    10 months ago from The Beautiful South

    There is some real problems there for sure.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    10 months ago

    me too, he seems to stalk me out and try to make a liar of me. One would think he would be too busy abusing his kids, and accusing his son of murder. The guy has no shame, not sure what his obsession is with this case.

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    10 months ago from The Beautiful South

    I personally just steer clear of that guy.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    10 months ago

    Bryan is still slinging his crap all over the place thinking that people are just going to take his word for it. More and more people are looking at Darin now, they are coming forward and realize what he did. He keeps his stories, but he can not change the lies he said in court or on his statement and interviews. He just got greedy.

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    10 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Who knows what is going on. Maybe they are still afraid Darin will be found out and maybe Darlie still thinks he is innocent or maybe she is as afraid of them as she aught to be.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    10 months ago

    In this post I am going to include the messages I got from Centurion Ministries. Darlies address can be found on the Darliefacts sight, but to my understanding they are not allowing her mailing rights due to the high volume of mail she has been getting. This is the message I got from the wrongful convictions site. We did spend some time reviewing her case back in 1999-2000 and Kerrry Cook one of our guys strongly advocated for her. We were certainly concerned about her conviction and interested in her case. For whatever reason she stopped writing to us in 2001 after we asked for all the forensic reports on her case. She can write again if she wants to. We work with the incarcerated person and we look at the documents generated by a case.

    The only way we work is to hear from the incarcerated person and then we work off the documents and records from the case as well as communication via correspondence from the incarcerated person. She can write to us. We are now at: Centurion, 1000 Herrontown Road, Princeton, NJ 08540

    Someone dropped the ball. They looked at her case and wanted to help her. Kee never even attempted to try and get help this way for Darlie.

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    10 months ago from The Beautiful South

    I am just so very pleased to hear that. Can you find an address for Darlie so many of us can encourage her to only listen to legal advice meaning not her family? I would love to wish her all my best anyway and know others would too.

    That girl needs some hope and I think letters may give her that and maybe get attention too!

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    10 months ago

    I agree Jackie, they sent me a message yesterday saying that they will directly work with Darlie and they still are willing to take her case. They need the files and they will take it on. They did reach out but who ever they contacted never got back to them. I dont believe kee has done anything for her outside of begging the public for money. They still havent tested Darins jeans or underpants. I believe that is the answer to helping her. Those lawyers and experts believed that Darins jeans could prove he was there during the attack on the boys. He never touched Damon according to Darin, so how did he get his blood on the waste band of his underpants. They werent looking at Darin, if they had been they would have taken that black cap on their first trip through the house, but they didnt they went back 14 days later.

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    10 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Well that sort of tells us how much her mother wants her out doesn't it? If she ever did get out and got millions for being wrongly tried her mom and Darin would be all over her, don't you know it? I would hope she would never speak to them again!!!

    I hope someone she trusts will have a long talk with her one day and she sees the light in that hell hole they have put her in.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    10 months ago

    That group got back to me Jackie, they told me they looked at her case and wanted to take it on in 2001 but nobody got back to them with the information. Darlie never reached out and neither did her mom

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    10 months ago from The Beautiful South

    That sounds great. I would like to find out even more about it.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    10 months ago

    ok Jackie

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    10 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Thanks M, I will check it out soon as I have some free time for a good look.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    10 months ago

    Hi Jackie, found this group thought you might like to give them a shout. https://www.facebook.com/freedomfortheinnocent/

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    10 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Me too M. I really do.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    10 months ago

    It does't even seem possible does it. I have tried everything I can to bring attention to so much information that has been over looked regarding her case. What disturbs me the most is her own mother and husband knew if they didn't show the jury the evidence against Darin she was going to death row. I can Darin doing it because I believe the evidence proved to me he was guilty. Kee didn't even take the time to look into her daughters case. Before anything even happened her and Darin were out there doing interviews knowing it was hurting her case. For 21 years Kee has been collecting money claiming it was for Darlie. I find that very hard to believe. I am just hoping that someone who has some influence will read our articles and help Darlie out.

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    10 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Poor Darlie. Bad enough she has been thrown in a dungeon but to have so many hate her....without once giving her the benefit of a doubt.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    10 months ago

    I agree with you Jackie. Its not just that site where Kee is begging for money. There are other under different blogs. I have no idea where that money is going, but it doesn't appear to be spent on Darlie that is for sure.

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    10 months ago from The Beautiful South

    No I do not have any information. Their site should provide all that and of course they don't. I would never give them a cent knowing they hardly have Darlie's best interest at heart. Someone needs to look into just what they do with monies they collect.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    10 months ago

    Thanks Jackie, Your encouragement means a lot. You and Polly have been at this a long time and have gained a lot respect. I really hope the right one comes along and helps Darlie too. There is so much information out there to help her So many people have brought up so many facts about the case that prove she deserves a new trial at the very least. Have you heard anymore about the last testing that was done? I haven't heard anything about it for long time. I know kee is still posting for donatations, but not sure where the DNA testing is going.

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    10 months ago from The Beautiful South

    I know, it is ridiculous. There were so many reasons to suspect Darin and you have brought to light more than even I ever considered. Hang in there M. Maybe one day the right one will will read you and make an important step to help free Darlie. Seems all we have is an empty hope but keeping the word out there and doubts of Darin is all we have.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    10 months ago

    Have you read some of the posts Jackie? They are trying to say Darin was investigated. When are the lies going to end?

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    10 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Oh, glad to hear that. Maybe someone will come along eventually. You know news reporters are just not what they used to be or one would have brought all this up and gotten her a new trial.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    10 months ago

    no sorry, I was talking about Darlie Kee. As far I know Darlie has been doing some of her investigating and she is believing Darin was more than involved. I saw that in her last interview. She was learning things about Darin.

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    10 months ago from The Beautiful South

    I hate to hear that. But she is like an abused child and worse having no means of help except from the ones who put her there. If she is defending him she will no doubt never get help from anyone. That is so depressing!

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    10 months ago

    I agree Jackie, sooner or later the truth will come out. Darlie still defends Darin, willing to lie for him. Sad, all it is just plain sad

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    10 months ago from The Beautiful South

    I totally ignore that guy. He is not worth a response! Some people seem so sick with their hatred. I know you and I feel about the same about Darin and hope he one day is brought to justice, but it is justice we want, not vengeance!

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    10 months ago

    You bet it does Jackie, I have been scared off many times, but we are running out of time to try and get the truth out. We have to keep posting and gathering information. Bryan makes that so impossible sometimes, he jumps in with his lies and stories and other crap it scares people off. They are so scared of Darin being exposed.

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    10 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Will take a look MForbes. I have been in a discussion at Facebook that seems pretty will controlled even with the Darlie haters. It gets tiresome though doesn't it, when people will not even consider Darlie was set up and the police fell for it hook, line and sinker and then could not back out! They know now I am sure but not about to do a thing but hope it all goes away.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    10 months ago

    Hi Jackie, I wanted to let you and Polly know I published a new article here on hub. I took a break from all the theats and stalking but I felt I had to post this article. A few of us got together and put some information together.

    I have been trying to up or download information but I noticed they have removed much of the information about Darin off the sites. The darliefacts removed most of his statement apparently under construction. Funny they only removed stuff about him.

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    11 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Paula, I will admit at first I had a few nagging doubts but even then as you say this was not normal and so if she had been guilty she was tried (and sentenced) all wrong. Now I just simply have no doubt who is behind it and even years ago before I was aware of Darin only offering to help his dead child I always said the living child would not have kept going to his mother if she had been the one to stab him and then as someone here pointed out he never went to his father!

    I wish there was something more we could do, it is just not right but her own family could be the ones causing this standstill of no help!

    I wish we could get someone like a Sylvia Chase interested in this case! Anyone who could stir up some interest.

  • fpherj48 profile image

    Paula 

    11 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    (sigh) At this juncture, I've reached the point where the more I read and try to focus on this case, the more questions and frustrations surface. Its' that realization of chasing one's tail.

    I continue to find it simply unimaginable that a woman/mother can suddenly snap so completely as to have an episode of stark-raving madness, lashing out in such an egregious & drastic manner. Despite being consciously aware that these atrocities happen all the time, my mind simply refuses to go there, leaving me frozen in one spot.

    It's also very telling to me that after all this time, Barry Schrek and his Innocence Project has not made any attempt to step in, in any capacity at all.

    This case, for me, will remain a gnawing intrusion with no conclusion. I am continually taken aback by the variations of possible scenarios, offered by those who have spoken out.

    I am especially disturbed by the suspicions expressed about Darlie's own mother.

    Jackie.....the thread for this article must be MILES long! Paula

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    11 months ago from The Beautiful South

    I agree.

  • profile image

    Jonid 

    11 months ago

    I do not trust her mother at all. She still defends Darin to this day even knowing of his lies and involvement. This is the most disturbing case I have ever read about. Darlie can not trust anyone, specially her mother and Darin.

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    11 months ago from The Beautiful South

    No I have not seen her account but I will look it up. I have also said Darlie would be in danger on the outside.

  • profile image

    Jonid 

    11 months ago

    Has anyone taken a peek at Darlie Kee's facebook account? That woman is as evil as they come. She is insulting so many people. I don't believe she ever wanted to help her daughter. I think she is a very sick evil woman. No wonder poor Darlie is still locked up. It wouldn't be safe for her on the outside. Between Darin and Kee, Darlie would be in danger.

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    12 months ago from The Beautiful South

    I believe I have joined it, will go in and make sure. You put a lot there right? I know I read yours somewhere at Facebook, but will go back and see.

    Thanks.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    12 months ago

    Hi Jackie, you should join this group on facebook, you can talk about anything, they don't shut you out. https://www.facebook.com/groups/1888493648105244/?... I gave Polly the link also. Beware though if this link is posted you might get Perverton and Bryan/sclemmons

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    12 months ago from The Beautiful South

    I agree with you completely about him but if they ever do catch him in this I think they will fry him PDQ! They will get him good and quick. He has to know that.

    I will check that out, thanks!

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    12 months ago

    Hi Jackie, I don't know if you do facebook, but I found a site where they talk about both sides without blocking you. It appears to be a worth while site to look into if your interested. Maybe Polly will have a look also.https://www.facebook.com/groups/1479717645671323/?...

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    12 months ago

    I know your right Jackie, I was just thinking if I judge could see the depth of how evil and manipulating Darin was and is they might help Darlie. You know what is sad about this, Darin is reading all the comments and he knows what we all say and he is sitting smiling, laughing at everyone. It all negligence allowed him to get away with this, it had nothing to do with his planning or him more intelligent than anyone else. He got lucky, that's all. That wasn't good enough for him though, he had to keep doing interviews and had to keep reliving the death of his son Devon and sharing it with the world, Pure evil in my eyes, nothing more.

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    12 months ago from The Beautiful South

    No MForbes, as shocking as it was to hear it I do understand it means a lot. It does so say he was up to something and to go back to a son he knows is dead, ignoring the live one says even more. Some people just do not want to see it

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    12 months ago

    Jackie, I have figured out why we are not getting out point across. People do not realize that Darin didn't go over to karens until after the medics arrived. That is why they can not understand the two cpr attempts.

    Darin has manipulated his police report so it is so confusing that they don't realize that he did cpr on Devon two separate times. People don't know he did cpr on Devon in front of Waddell before he ever went over to Karens.

    That is the key proving what Darin did. Do you have any ideas on how I can get that point across to people?

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    12 months ago

    We can always hope and pray. I did notice that there has been a few people on those discussion pages on fb that claim to be Darin. They have admitted to the crime and said they felt sorry for it now. Bryan is behind that I am sure. He is really a sick scary freak.

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    12 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Yes I truly believe they are saving the state of Texas from being sued and their own butts from messing up the crime scene and I guess there is not even one in the whole bunch with a conscience. Perhaps a deathbed confession is the only hope Darlie has?

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    12 months ago

    I don't know the true reason why Darin was never investigated, but I do know for a fact he wasn't. I uncovered so many details that prove his guilt that should have been uncovered by police with even the slightest investigation.

    Darlie said Darin was in his room and they left it at that. The second Waddell allowed Darin to destroy evidence, they feared they screwed up so bad they would never get a conviction so they focused on Darlie and Darlie alone.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    12 months ago

    Jackie, I am positive that the reason Darlie was sent to death row was because of what Darlie kee and Darin did to her. If they would have had the evidence against Darin to counter the states claims she would never have been convicted.

    Darlie has no history of violence. She was like a kid when she was arrested. She never had a chance to grow up. Darin controlled Darlie since she was 15 with his money. This girl grew up in poverty, abuse, even sexual abuse at the hands of her mothers boyfriends. If Darlie kee ever had her daughters best interest at heart, she never would have stayed with a man who molested her children. That speaks volumes. Darins own aunt and the lawyers along with many other who have studied this case believe Darin murdered those boys. I had to find out for myself if it were true. I am convinced 100 percent of Darins guilt.

    That 911 call alone should have opened the eyes to how evil Darin really is, but the jury was never told the truth about who or what Darin really was. They didn't know about the cocaine, or his cheating, or theft and insurance fraud, the plans to have his home robbed, increasing the insurance just before the attack. They never would have ever looked at Darlie. The most sickening part about this is Darlie kee was warned Darlie would go to death row and she protected Darin anyway and still does.

    Anyone who comes forward to say anything about Darin is threatened, stalked, lied about harassed in ever sense of the word.

    Darlie kee is only focusing on evidence that doesn't implicate Darin, that will not free Darlie. That bridge was burned a long time ago that's to Darin and Darlies family.

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    12 months ago from The Beautiful South

    That's OK and I don't mind at all. The more we get those thinking of poor Darlie the better. Who knows what it will take for her to get her break.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    12 months ago

    I also added to my hub. I wanted to go into detail of some of the reasons why I was convinced of an affair between Dana and Darin. I sent the info to Polly too. It was very long so I didn't sent it to you also.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    12 months ago

    I have been posting all of our articles, I hope you don't mind? I wanted everyone and anyone to see the different views on her case.

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    12 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Putting links at your Facebook account should be safe enough too and can get more people to HP to read you.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    13 months ago

    I do have three hubs right now one of them is on Could Darin have killed the boys, but I am not sure what else I can do to get my information out there.

    The internet is scary I didn't know a person could retrieve any personal information about a person just by clicking on their blog.

    Bryan and that evil bunch he hangs with has really opened my eyes to how scary the internet really is.

    I have had to contact my provider to get another ip do to his stalking. They do that with anyone who clicks on their blog. That is just completely scary and creepy. Your right about hub its probably the safest sight for me to get my information out there even though I have to be very careful on what I say on my blogs. Sad really, this is about Darlie and her wrongful conviction and they turned it into a stalking circus.

    I enjoy talking to you and your article has been very insightful. I have learned a lot from you. I wont waste your time with my baggage, I would like to keep posting my new info on your hub.

    I believe what you and Polly have done here is definitely going to have an impact on what happens with Darlie. Its impossible not to have some sympathy and understanding to her case after reading your articles.

    I never took the road you and Polly took. I thought you debunked her conviction by your hubs, so I wanted to shine new light on another aspect of her case, and that Darin.

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    13 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Well I can't say I remember it exactly but I think you did a hub that passed HP goals didn't you. If you just outline it correctly and get the minimum wording you can work on it daily until it is how you want it. I am sure it would be good. Just write what you write here.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    13 months ago

    I do want to tell you. I have had offers to write a book. That is not what this was about for me. I see that girl on death row and it rips me apart knowing what I know.

    I have saved my best facts and information for the finishing touches.

    I know that nobody out there has taken this case in this direction or uncovered as much as the few of us have, but what I should have done was written the book and put the proceeds to Darlie out of the hands of Darlie kee and Darin and his family.

    I am worried time is running out.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    13 months ago

    I am ashamed to say that I do not know how to do that. Polly was the one who set up my Hubpages. She was great. I don't think she realized how bad I am with computers, but she stuck with me until it was done.

    I know I have reached out to other sites. I do want to get my information out there but Bryan/sclemmons/perverton and all those other freaks stalk me out. They post my private information they believe is my ip and home out there for everyone to see.

    I have a family and I do worry about them. Bryan seems almost proud that he is viewed as a child abuser and has raised a son who murdered a baby. He uses that to put fear into people He has threatened many into not looking into the case or posting anything about the case.

    He interrupts the conversations so that people don't get to hear about the information.

    He is even changing names on sites claiming he is Darin, admitting to the murders. The guy is not mentally stable.

    I cant quit now Jackie. I feel like I have to make sure in my own mind that I have not left one stone unturned. Everything that convicted Darlie could have been debunked if Darlie kee and Darin had not hired Doug Mulder to protect Darin. At the very least she deserves a new trial. I wish I could be the one to represent her. I know she wouldn't be convicted a second time.

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    13 months ago from The Beautiful South

    This seems a pretty safe place to write MForbes and you could do Darlie a lot of good with your valuable information. Polly has so many readers and I only have a fraction of hers but I think if you get something up and running with all your facts and proofs you could have more than both of us put together.

    Don't be scared off by them, HP will help you if they get bad and you could simply delete them. It really does no good to argue with people like that, they like getting you mad.

    Put your energy in making the best presentation you possibly can and I am sure Polly and I both will share with our readers.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    13 months ago

    Hi Jackie, I wanted to message you about the behavior of the ones who are relentlessly defending Darin. I am pretty sure Darin is behind it. I don't know if you go on other sites or search the internet to try and help Darlie, but unfortunately I do and have. I have never been stalked on the internet before or threatened, but in this its different.

    I read some the posts from Sclemmons sight and he has searched people out, got ip address, searched family members and has posted information claiming he knows who I am. I have never seen this type of behavior in my life.

    I am at the point now that I don't feel safe anymore on this site. Sclemmons is either Bryan, Darin, or someone who was closely involved in this case and the slaughter of Darlie and her boys.

    He and his followers are dangerous. I have hidden my identity, I have changed my ip. I have used different names, different location and each time I do a new identity he stalks me out follows me around the internet and threatens and bullies me not to mention lies about me being racist and KKK.

    I am not sure legally if there is anything anyone can do about this but I wanted to warn you. He is dangerous and I am going to the authorities about Sclemmons and all his other profiles.

    This has been going on for years, between Darin and Darlie kee, and who ever else they have involved they have threatened, blocked, stalked anyone who has ever tried to seek the truth about Darin and talk about it over different sites.

    I am going to hub and I hope they will do the right thing and make him stop the slandering and stalking.

    90 percent of his posts are slandering other people on their comments on this site. That should not be allowed on hub or any other site for that matter. This is a discussion blog and we are here to talk about Darlie and her case ALL the possibilities and facts of the her trial and her case.

    If you have any suggestions please let me know. I am going to contact Poly also.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    13 months ago

    I am shocked also. The thing is Darin got Darlie to cover for him. They never talked about the fight they had hours before the murders. Darin didn't want anything said because he didn't want the suspicion to go onto him. He would rather it stayed on Darlie. While all that was going on Darin was feeding Darlie a line of bull crap telling her the police had a very good suspect and an arrest was pending. She believed him. She had no idea the focus was on her and her alone.

    Darlie did suspect Dana and I looked into as much as I could. I spoke to few people who knew about. I was sent an article from Belinda about an incident with Dana and Darin acting out in public. I then read about the old school teacher seeing Darin and Dana laughing and joking carrying on in the front yard throwing away the gifts people gave to the boys. Darin was acting like a love sick school boy. Then I looked at the details of what happened the hours before the murders.

    Darin was taking Dana to work with him and he hired a nanny just to keep Darlie quiet so he could be alone with Dana. Darin didn't even have the 543 dollars to pay the rent on his shop let alone hire Dana. I knew right then the rumors were true. Then I read about what happened when Darin came home from work. Dana didn't go into the kitchen to help Darlie with dinner. Dana and Darin took baby Drake to a room that was no visible to Darlie from the kitchen. He said he took him there to be on carpet, but Darlie knew that Darin took the baby there to be alone with Dana. Once you start to look at the whole picture it all fits.

    Darlie loved Darin, Jackie, I believe that. Darin manipulated and controlled her despite what anyone says. She never had a chance to grow up. She was child when he met her. Darin knew he could control her with his money and he did for years. He went to far when he started on her little sister. That was the breaking point for Darlie.

    She couldn't come forward because she would have had to go against Darin, his family and her own mother. Darlie kee has never had decent people in her life. She was dating a child molester who she allowed to get away with it for years. When Darins middle class family paid attention to her and supported Darlie she went to the ends of the earth to win them over. There is no way Darlie kee couldn't have known he killed those boys and attacked her daughter, no way. She is an evil bitter old woman.

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    13 months ago from The Beautiful South

    I only knew Dana was there and there had been an argument and he took her home. I had no idea there was anything maybe going on. You would think the police would have jumped all over that to see what it was all about. I still am baffled Darin wasn't their first suspect taking out the big life policy on Darlie. I mean you or I could have done a better investigation for sure!

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    13 months ago

    I agree Jackie. You know they really put Darlie through the goals over her accusing that man of being the intruder. That was Darin feeding her all those lies. Darin kept stringing Darlie along telling her they were looking seriously at another suspect. Darin knew she would talk and he knew it would buy him time. She was so focused on this new information Darin was feeding her that she never bothered to look any further.

    I know for a fact if I had the chance to talk to Darlie she would realize what Darin did to her and her boys. I know what Darin did and I can map out every evil step that man took from the second he snorted that cocaine and came down those stairs while her and the boys slept.

    I believe Darin had been drugging Darlie for days before the attack ever happened. I believe he did it because he was alone upstairs with Dana for all those days.

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    13 months ago from The Beautiful South

    One trip he had to let the dog out for sure but who knows what all was going on with him and you know he is taking every opportunity he can to make Darlie look more guilty and he has played her and her nerves to the hilt to make her act and talk crazy and who knows what all ideas he has put in her head. I hope time lasts long enough for Darlie to come out of this and be able to look back with a clear head to realize just how he played her to get by with murder. I will never believe she knowingly defended him. I think she was in a trauma so deep and he is all she had! Poor girl.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    13 months ago

    Look at the shape and stains on the sock Jackie. That sock wasn't rolled off an arm like they claimed. It is stained and all stretched out. The boys blood was on only the bottom of the sock where it would have been dangling from the pant leg. It is clean on the top of the sock as though still in the pant leg, but the stains on the lower part appear to be drag marks. I truly believe Darin had that sock in his pant leg and when he fled that house it eventually landed in that spot. Maybe that is why Darin went upstairs twice before and after police entered the house, maybe he was looking for that second sock?

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    13 months ago from The Beautiful South

    True, true and I have often thought about hearing Darin say, "They took..and it is as if he looked and whatever they were supposed to take wasn't gone...which still leaves me to believe someone could have been in there and for certain someone carried the sock outside and we have no reason to believe Darlie did or that time even allowed for that and besides that as many have pointed out, she never once used that as an alibi for anything so why would she have done that if there were time or reason? That sock was not an intentional drop.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    13 months ago

    THIS IS WHAT THE POLICE MISSED HERE. This is the last part of the 911 call

    04:32:18 Police Officer ...what about you...

    Darlie only brought herself up once the entire time to say she thought she was dying. I believe that was the drugs in her system not her bleeding to death.

    04:34:18 Darlie Routier ...huh...

    It is obvious that Darin is right there with Waddell and Darlie deliberately interupting them trying to make his claims of an intruder. He has to be looking at his dying son at that point, but Darin never touches Damon. He never goes near is living son after he did that fake cpr on Devon before and after Waddell arrived.

    04:35:12 Darin Routier ...they took (unintelligible) ...they ran (unintelligible)...

    To really undertand the depth of how evil Darin really was you have to go back to the entire 911 call. The only words that ever came out of Darins mouth was something about the intruder. What he took where he went. Darin had never asked why not once.

    04:42:25 Police Officer ...nothing's gone Mrs. Routier...

    This was a deliberate misprint here. They knew for a fact it was Darin who was harassing the officer about the intruder and this being a robbery. That reporter who was fired intentionally put this in to raise suspicion on Darlie. It is clearly obvious it is Darin who is making those theft claims not Darlie.

    04:51:29 Darlie Routier ...why would they do this...

    Barbara Jovell admitted it was Darin and only Darin who asked her help set up the home robbery. Darlie had no idea about the history of that black car. The first she ever heard of it was when Darin brought in Barbaras mother to bring it up to Darlie just hours before the murders. Darin never asked this question. He never even asked where the intruder went.

    05:19:09 Darlie Routier ...somebody who did it intentionally walked in here and did it Darin...

    They put Darlies name in Waddells response to missing items, but it is clear that Darlie does not believe this was a robbery attempt. She believes this was an intentional attack to kill her and the boys, nobody paid attention to her words.

    05:23:05 Darlie Routier ...there's nothing touched...

    05:25:13 Darlie Routier ...there's nothing touched...

    Damon is on the floor dying, bleeding to death and here Darin is with Waddell and Darlie arguing making claims of theft and an intruder. I do not understand at all how it was possible for anyone let alone the police to realize right here Darin was behind this entire attack on his family. He never expected Darlie or Damon to survive. The only reason she is still alive is because she called 911 as quickly as possible. Darin knew he couldnt attack her after he came back into that house.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    13 months ago

    What really has me concerned is why the police didn't realize that Darin had left out that very important detail in his statement about what happened when officer Waddell arrived at the house.

    Darin intentionally avoided telling the police about him fleeing the house right when Waddell was coming to the door. That isn't some thing that would have been easily forgotten. That just further proves that Patterson didn't read the files, he didn't check out Darins stories or statements because he would have been asked why he lied in his police statement about going over to Karens instead of telling the truth about going back into the house with Waddell and then doing that second cpr on Devon.

    Darin knew that would have been his down fall. He knew they would question as to why he went right past Damon who was moving and breathing when they first entered the home. Darin would have had to step right over Damon to go back to Devon to do that second fake cpr. Seven minutes went by where Darin had all kinds of chances to save his son Damon and he is heard on that 911 call desperately trying to convince Darlie and officer Waddell that the intruder took and ran. While he was doing this he had to be looking right at his son desperately trying to breath and live. Darlie was on the phone with 911 still trying to get help for her boys, and Waddell was trying to help Darlie, but Darin wasn't doing a bloody thing except for causing chaos and interrupting Darlie and Waddell when they were trying to help the situation. Its all there on the 911 call and nobody cared. Nobody paid attention to Darins cold evil deceitful behavior.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    13 months ago

    I do believe you are right about Darin having someone out there ready to take some valuables. Him and Barbara set up the strange calls in the house and they both set up the black car. That black car was seen by more than one neighbor right after the police arrived.

    Greg Davis talked about a suspicious call that Darin made right after the attack. He didn't go into detail about it and they said who Darin phoned. Davis just brought it up to Darin to put shock into him. I don't if that is when he called Dana to have her tell Barabara to go to the house and give the false statement, or maybe he called off the person who was there to pick up the items.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    13 months ago

    Very interesting theory Jackie, but I have to say at almost the exact time that Darin would have fled the house through the garage he would have been trapped in the alley. If he went towards the road he would have ran into Mr. Gorsuch who just arrived home and was standing outside looking at the stars, if he went the other direction further down the alley then he would have ran into the drug neighbor in the yard.

    The reason I believe Darin fled the house and only went the 75 feet down the alley is because he was trapped, he only had one choice and that was to immediately go back and try and get into the house.

    I do believe your right that Darlie did go to the kitchen and get the phone and start dialing 911 Darin had 15 seconds to get from the utility room to the dining room which is very possible and with in the 15 seconds he was able to meet Darlie in the hallway where she told him to hurry. I believe Darin came back into the house and believe he saw her take that phone and start dialing.

    Darin wasn't a stupid man, he was caught off guard and his plans were interrupted, but like a cat he was able to land on his feet.

    You see, Darin later said that he was already with Darlie and he was the one who told her to call 911, but we know for a fact that wasn't true because he would have already been with Devon, he wouldn't have been caught in the hallway by Darlie.

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    13 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Here is an interesting theory. Perhaps Darin was the shirtless intruder. Maybe he thought he had killed his wife and kids and had someone drive by to take his bloody clothes but dropped the sock. When he returns he finds Darlie on the 911 call so too late to finish her off and one of his sons is still alive and as you say he knows his dad has done this....the only living witness at this time?

    I am sure he sweat bullets until this son did die. I always wondered why he would call for his mother and go to her if she stabbed him. Another reason I could not believe she did. Besides the different tone when these two parents spoke of their children. Warm verses cold.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    13 months ago

    I would like to start with the cpr Darin did on Devon. I know people are tired of hearing about it, but I can not stop until I make my point.

    According to Darin he goes straight over to Devon and he begins cpr on Devon. There are alot of things that I want to discuss about that alone but I want to focus just on the cpr.

    We are 30 seconds into the 911 call when Darin goes over to Devon and he begins cpr. There is no dispute from Darin about that at all.

    Darlie is on the phone for over three minutes with 911 when we hear Darin say to her "What". That is all he says for several minutes.

    We then hear Darlies dog bark for the first time at 3 minutes and 30 seconds into the call.

    We know by the police statement Darin does go upstairs at this time.

    We also know that Waddell has just pulled up to the house.

    Mr. Gorsuch woke up and he sat up in his bed and looked right out the window. He saw Darin running from behind the fountain and he saw Waddell walking up to the door.

    He also looks down the street and he sees a second police car which is officer Walling.

    He sees Darin speak to Waddell for a couple of seconds and then Waddell and Darin both turn and enter the house.

    If you go to Darins police statement he does not mention this at all throughout his entire police statement. He talks about his conversation with Darlie and all the the wonderful things he is planning to do for her, but there is no mention at all of him and officer Waddell meeting in his front yard, even though Mr. Gorsuch witnesses the entire thing. No body questioned that nobody read Darins statement nobody bothered to check out Darins story.

    Darin goes back into the house with Waddell. They both would have seen the same thing. Darlie bleeding to death from the neck, and Damon trying to crawl on the floor looking around the room dying.

    Waddell comes in and we know he immediately offers Darlie assistance, but nobody bothered to pay attention to what Darin was doing.

    What Darin did was go right past Damon and he went right back to Devon. We know for a fact by the 911 Darin had already spent 3 minutes and 20 seconds with Devon and Devon alone.

    We already know by testimony that Darin did not touch Damon. He didnt turn him over he didnt lift up his shirt, he never touched Damon at all even though for three minutes Darin was in direct view of him dying right in front of him for over three minutes before Waddell arrived. This was written in Darins statement.

    Waddell commented how he was surprised how Darin had gone past his living son Damon and went right over to Devon. Waddell even said that at first Darin blocked his view of what he was actually doing to Devon. I believe Darin was doing this to stall for time so Waddell would believe he was helping Devon. What Darin didnt know was Waddell knew and he said he knew Devon was already dead the second he saw him in the living room.

    While Waddell is dealing with Darlie Darin then moves to the side so Waddell could watch what he was doing. Darin then began another cpr on Devon in front of Waddell. Darin knew he had spent over three minutes with Devon before Waddell even entered the house.

    Waddell stood there in shock watching Darin put on this horrific show pretending to be desperately trying to safe his son Devon. Meanwhile Damon was on the floor alive trying to crawl looking around the room. Waddell had no idea at this point that Darin had claimed that Damon had no pulse and that is why he never offered him any assistance.

    While Waddell is attending to Darlie Darin then gets up and he walks over to Waddell and he tells him there is nothing he can do for Devon. Darin knew over 4 minutes earlier there was nothing he could do and that is when he ran up the stairs.

    You would think at that point Darin would have gone over to try and help Damon. Damon was alive, he was moving he was looking around the room.

    Darin never went near Damon. No cpr, no touching no contact with his son Damon at all while he was desperately trying to live.

    Darin stands in the middle of living room until officer Walling comes to the door.

    Officer Waddell and Walling turn and go through the kitchen to check the garage.

    Darlies states that while the officers went one direction Darin ran the opposite direction. For the second time Darin goes back up those stairs for some unknown reason.

    When Waddell returns Darin is back again. By this the medics have started to enter the house.

    All the medics said the same thing. Darin was just standing in middle of the living room doing absolutely nothing. Some of them even accused Darin of blocking their path to help for the boys.

    Waddell first gets Darin and Darlie to sit down, but then he tells Darin to go to a neighbors just to get him out of the way.

    It is at that time that Darin leaves the house and he goes over to karens. This is after Darlie has hung up with 911, but not before he is heard arguing with Darlie and the officer trying to convince them there was an intruder and he took and ran.

    Darin goes over to karens knowing that they have already removed Damon and are in the process of helping Darlie.

    Darin knew he was sent over to karens just to get him away from the crime scene.

    But Darin isnt going to let that happen. When he goes to karens he puts on this horrific show telling her he needs her to go back to the house and help him. Darin already knows Damon has left the house. Darin already knows they are helping Darlie.

    Darin did this to karen only to put chaos and confusion into the scene. Darin wanted to make sure Darlie was not left alone at any time with those officers. He was absolutely desperate to put himself right in the middle of that crime scene.

    When he goes back with Karen the officers stop him but they allow Karen to go into the house. Karen herself said she never understood why Darin brought her back to the house when the situation was obviously under control.

    Karen enters the home and Darlie is on the porch and Damon is already in the van. Darin admitted he was there when they removed Damon from the house.

    Karen then leaves and goes back to her yard, but not Darin. Darin waits until he has a chance to go back into the home. In his own words he goes back into that house only to look over the evidence.

    His son Devon was laying on the floor in that living room and Darin didnt even go near him. Darins concern and focus was looking over the evidence. He turns the opposite direction of Devon and he goes through the dining room to the kitchen then to the garage to listen in on the officers.

    Darin then adds to his statement that he goes over to the van to ask about Damon. All the medics in the van denied that Darin ever went near that van or ever asked about his son.

    Darin tried to force himself in the van with Darlie but they kicked him out. Darin was absolutely desperate to make sure Darlie was not left alone with anyone before he had a chance to talk to her.

    Everything Darin said was a lie.

    The table never fell on Devon to draw his attention to him. Darin already knew Devon was dead and that is why he went right past Damon to get to his dead son. It wouldnt have taken a man with 7 years of cpr training to figure out it was too late for Devon. With Darins training he would have known without any doubt how critically important it would have been to get help to Damon, but he didnt, he never touched that boy in over 7 minutes.

    He watched Damon struggling to live for over 7 minutes until they removed his body into the van.

    I am not making this stuff up. This comes from testimony of witnesses and medics and police and Darins own words.

    I dont know how many people would actually sit and read each and every witness statement and testimony , but I did. I read it all and everything Darin said was a complete lie.

    He did everything in his power to obstruct help getting to Darlie and Damon. There is no possible way the police could have read that file or gone through any of the evidence or witness testimony. They would have arrested and charged Darin immediately.

    This is the reason why I have completely turned on Darlies mother.

    To this day she blocks me from any

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    13 months ago

    According to Florida State law, it is not a crime for someone to see a person dying or in distress and not render any help at all.

    For seven minutes Darin walked past and he denied Damon and Darlie any assistance at all. Maybe they didn't press charges because that is the only proof they had at the time that Darin could have killed his children and attacked Darlie.

    New evidence has surfaced since the crime, but the authorities still chose not to investigate Darin.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    13 months ago

    Jackie I wanted to try and explain my point to you about what Darin has done here.

    If you read through and watch all of his statements Darin has never admitted that he met Waddell in the front yard and he never talks about or admits to the cpr he did in front of officer Waddell.

    Darin only talks about the one cpr that was done on Devon. You can check my accuracy by looking at all Darins interviews and reading his statements. Darin has tried to convince everyone that he fled that house and he went to karens when officer Waddell arrived. He claims that this intruder with no shirt on fled the house after he had gone over to karens house.

    If you read Gorsuchs testimony, Karens testimony, the testimony of the medics and Darins interviews. He was in the house when the medics arrived, he was there when they removed Damon.

    Darin could not have been at two places at the same time. Darin did do cpr 30 seconds into the 911 call and he did do the second cpr 4 minutes later in front of officer Waddell

    Darin didn't go over to karens the first time until after Damon was removed from the house. He was in that house and he was heard on that 911 call.

    Darin denies running into Waddell in the front yard, but an eye witness that never met or spoke to officer Waddell gave the same testimony Waddell gave about talking to Darin in the front yard just as he pulled up to the house.

    The reason why it is so difficult to prove my point about what Darin did is because he just kept throwing all kinds of different stories out there.

    If you focus on only the witnesses, police statements, medic statements and the 911 call. It proves without a shadow of a doubt that Darin did not run over to karens when Waddell first came to the home. He went into that house, He saw his son Damon alive just as Waddell did and he walked right past Damon to go over and do that fake cpr on Devon.

    The reason this was missed by the police is because Patterson had the file. He testified in court and he admitted that he never read that file until just before the trial.

    All he had to do was compare Darins police statement to the 911 call and the witness testimony and they would have known that Darin was in fact that intruder that fled the home. Only he didn't flee the home Jackie, he turned around and he walked right back into that house with Waddell and Mr. Gorsuch and Waddell both testified to that .

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    13 months ago

    I have to keep pounding away at this.

    Darin never admits or talks about the cpr he did in front of Waddell right after he enters the home. Why?

    You will never find an interview, police statement or any other document where Darin ever talks about or admits that he went back into that house with Waddell.

    Even on that Leeza show Darlie Kee makes a complete fool of her self by defending Darin and making claims that officer Waddell allowed the intruder to flee the home. The shirtless intruder, while Darin went over to Karens to get help.

    Why is it that Karens statement, Waddells statement, Darlies statement, the 911 call and Mr. Gorsuchs statement all match, but Darins doesn't.

    Darin claims when officer Waddell got to the house he ran over to karens place.

    All the evidence and witness testimony proves for a fact Darin did not go over to karens until after the medics arrived on the scene. The medics themselves testified Darin was in the living room when they walked into the house, that was 7 minutes after Darlie first dialed 911. Karens testimony said when she arrived at the home Damon was already in the medic van.

    How can anyone defend Darin when his story does not match the 911 call or any of the witnesses? I do not understand that at all.

    Why isn't anyone wondering why Darin refuses to admit to going back into the house with Waddell and doing the cpr. Along with witness testimony the 911 call proves for a fact Darin was lying about going over to karens when officer Waddell arrived. He entered that house, and he walked right past Damon who was living breathing and moving and deliberately went to Devon and pretended to be giving him cpr when he knew for a fact he was already dead for over 4 minutes. Why isn't anyone checking this out?

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    13 months ago

    I had posted Darins statement on Polys site and written some facts in there that show what started me believing Darin murdered those boys.

    Darin deliberately left out some very important facts about what really happened on June 5 th and 6th.

    Darin didn't tell the police about him running from the home when Waddell arrived. He left out all the details of the cpr he did in front of Officer Waddell.

    He left out the fact that he went upstairs before Waddell ever entered the home.

    He never mentioned in that statement that he washed up at Karens while his family was dead and dying.

    Darin blamed Darlie in that statement for everything. He said Drake was the reason she was on the couch, he said she frustrated with house and kids, he bragged about her going to Cancun when he knew for a fact he didn't have the money for her to even take that trip.

    That entire police statement was calculating and deceiving. He tried to make it appear that he went upstairs just as the police were entering the home, when he knew that is not what happened.

    Darin never imagined that everything would be so well documented through Darlie and witnesses.

    Darin hit the jackpot when they focused on Darlie instead of him. He got very lucky when the lead detective never bothered to read the report before going to trial

    He got very lucky that the police never spoke to Barbara Jovell or Barry Fife before charging Darlie.

    He got lucky when Doug Mulder told him he was going to be implicated in the crime.

    He got lucky when the police never contacted the insurance company when they called him about Darin increasing the policy.

    He got lucky when they never checked out that piece of black clothing in the laundry room

    He got lucky when they never searched for that other sock of his.

    He got lucky when he never got charged for perjury after lying to Davis about everything.

    He got lucky when he went back into that home to look over the evidence.

    He got lucky when they never investigated him right away after the crime.

    He got lucky when the forensic experts didn't testify at trail and bring in all the evidence against him.

    He got lucky when the police didn't investigate how he knew Darlies panties were missing when she didn't even know

    He got lucky when they never tested him for drugs.

    He got lucky when they never looked into the two separate cpr attempts.

    He got lucky when he lied about when the blood got on the boys comforter.

    He got lucky when Darlies mother and stepfather never came forward about his past insurance fraud and the one he was planning

    He got lucky when Mulder took on the case agreeing not to implicate him in the crime.

    He got very lucky when Damon finally died and wasn't able to testify against him like Diane Downs daughter did. That is why Downs was convicted.

    He got lucky when Nabors continued to defend him and defend the lies he told to the police.

    He got lucky when Davis hatred for Darlie consumed him and gave him tunnel vision.

    How is it possible that one man could get so many chances to get away with murder.

    Darin got really unlucky when Darlie lived. That was the game changer for him financially.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    13 months ago

    Imagine this for second Jackie.

    If the jury had been shown the evidence against Darin from the second the police entered that home the prosecution wouldn't have had a leg to stand on.

    They would have looked at that glass on the floor and realized that Waddell and Walling trampled through that kitchen right over that glass when they went to the garage easily kicking pieces on top of her bloody foot print.

    Davis wouldn't have lied to the jury about no bloody hand print on the sofa from Damon. If Darlie was the one who attacked Damon he never would have gone near that sofa or his mother for help.

    The prosecution wouldn't have lied about Darlie not wetting towels to help her boys. There was towels in that hallway proving she wet them.

    The prosecution wouldn't have been able to call Darlie a liar when she said she went over to Devons body to try and help. The blood pattern evidence would have proven she was there bleeding right beside Devon.

    The prosecutions major piece of evidence would have been Darlies strongest piece of evidence. It would have proven that blood spatter did get on that shirt while Darin was pretending to be giving cpr to his already dead son.

    The fact that Darin had blood on his clothing from a son he never ever touched would have forced the prosecution to look at this case much differently.

    When you look at the injury to Darlies neck it is clear whoever slit her throat wouldn't have had any idea at all that they were just a tiny slit from severing that major artery in her neck.

    The jury only had to hear a few of the details of what really went on in that marriage and that would have changed everything for Darlie.

    Darin wouldn't have been free to spread those rumors and lies about Darlie. He wouldn't have been able to control and manipulate her defence. He wouldn't have been able to keep Darlie silent by feeding her false information about the investigation and what the police were doing. Darin went to that jail and he was telling Darlie complete lies about what was going on with her case. He knew they weren't looking at Greg or anyone else. He knew they were focusing on Darlie and Darlie alone. Darin made sure of that.

    Darin and Darlie kee never should have been allowed to have any contact with Darlie or her lawyers. The biggest question people have is they want to know why Darlie would stay silent if Darin killed the boys.

    All you have to do is go to that 911 call. Darlie wouldn't have had a clue if Darin came from his room or that dining room. How could she accuse her husband if she couldn't say for sure if he was in his room or not. Even when she showed doubts in court they shut her up and shut her down right there on the spot.

    Then she had his parents hounding her night and day supporting her. Then her own mother was defending Darin even more than she was her own child. Darlie had nobody. She was forced to trust and believe Darin and Darlie kee and they were both responsible for Darlie never getting a fair trial.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    13 months ago

    I truly believe that Darin would have finished her off is she wasn't on the phone with 911. You are right about Darin coming back in right about that time. That would explain why it took him 5 minutes to get into that hallway.

    Darlie is heard talking to Darin 15 seconds into the call. Darin told the police and reporters he came out of his room running down the stairs as fast as he could yelling his head off. That was all a complete lie. Darlie came back from the kitchen and within 15 seconds she caught Darin of guard in that hallway. He wasn't screaming or yelling or saying one bloody word at that time. Darin never made one sound until 30 seconds into that 911 call. Dairn was still in the planning stage. He was obviously caught off guard by Darlie catching him in that hallway.

    When Darin finally did open his mouth he never asked once what happened. The very first words out of his mouth were to ask who it was. He continued on for several minutes only asking who, he never asks what happened. He made sure he did everything in his power to try and convince that 911 operator that there was an intruder in the home.

    You know why Darin never admitted to or back Darlie up on seeing the intruder? He couldn't say that because that would have put Darin right there the second after the stabbings. That would have proven to Darlie that he was right there.

    Nobody cared that Darin never looked for that intruder. Nobody cared that Darin was trying to convince the police it was a robbery gone wrong. Darin knew the whole time it was him and Barbara who had been setting up the scene for this night for weeks. Darin was behind the strange calls to Darlie, he was the one who was putting up the smoke screen of rumors of a home robbery, he was the one who changed the insurance policies. Darin did it all long before that night.

    Darin used the last of the cocaine. He was furious about Dana being sent home and for the first time in weeks that house was vacant of any visitors or family members. Darin knew his days were numbered. Darlie asked for a separation. That meant no more seducing Dana, no more house or perverted lifestyle. Darin had two choices that night. Lose everything and struggle for many years to come financially and lose Dana, or just get it over with right then and come out the victim of a slaughtered family.

    Darin kept Drake alive for one reason sympathy. He needed that boy to gain some sympathy from the public and his family.

    What people do not realize here is the insurance policy. They have completely ignored what happened with the insurance.

    In order for Darin to have been paid out on his policy for the insurance he would have had to be cleared of the crime. DARIN WAS NEVER INVESTIGATED, HE WAS NEVER CLEARED. The insurance company contacted the police regarding the increases Darin made on the policies. They were not paying out one dime without doing their own investigation. Darin never disputed the decision the insurance company made because he knew they would launch their own invesitigation. They would have found out about the black car, him calling Barbara to give that false statement. His rumors of a home robbery. They would have learned every single thing about Darin and they would have notified the police. That alone would have changed the entire course of the investigation. Why else would Darin not dispute the tens of thousands of dollars on an active policy?

    Darin supporters keep saying Darin was never a suspect and he was cleared. He was never cleared. They dropped the investigation on Darin only because Waddell screwed up the case so bad within seconds of being on that case. Then they allowed Darin to enter that home again and he was alone with all that evidence.

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    13 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Yes it is a shame, maybe we should have all Darlie sympathizers write her and convince her she needs to drop them to ever get help?

    Maybe Darin was not even in the house when Darlie came to and ran for the phone or perhaps he would have finished her off I would say before she could get help. He has left her for dead I feel sure.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    13 months ago

    I believe Poly is right when she says the key to proving what Darin did is that dog not barking when Darin first appeared in that hallway. It was just way to convenient that Darin just happen to be in that hallway when Darlie was out of his sight getting the phone.

    I don't know of any man who would hear what Darin claimed to hear and stop to get dressed before he went to find out what was going on.

    Darin did tell the police at first it was Darlie screaming into phone that woke him up. He later changed that part of his story by saying it was glass breaking. Darin had tried to put himself in that hallway before Darlie dialed 911, but that 911 call proves for a fact that he waited until she was out of sight in that kitchen before he made his appearance. Several minutes would have passed before Darin even showed up in that hallway. It took him that long because he had to wait until Darlie was out of sight so she didn't know where he appeared from. It was easy for him to get to that dining room without Darlie seeing him. Once she went to the kitchen he only had a couple of steps to take to get to the landing of the stairs. If he came from his room that door would have been open and that dog would have been barking at the very start. Darin locked that dog up before he came down earlier. He admitted himself he went upstairs just as Waddell pulled up to the house. That is the first time Darlies dog barks. I don't understand why Darlie kee is controlling what is being investigated and what isn't. She isn't allowing any of the evidence that proves Darins guilt to be tested or submitted as part of the appeal. If her and Darin wouldn't have interfered and manipulated her legal team at the start, Darin would have been the one sitting on death row, not Darlie.

    Her appeals will fail so long as Darlie kee has control of her case. There has to be a way someone can put a stop to her and Darin.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    13 months ago

    I can tell you Jackie I am one pist off person right now. They tell me that they are looking into the case. Darlie Kee is controlling that. They are going to murder that girl and her mother is responsible for that. She is just sitting back waiting for the them to murder Darlie and she is going to come forward acting like the grieving mother waiting for the book and movie deals.

    Any mother who could stab her own daughter in the back to try and gain financially from that is beyond evil.

  • profile image

    MForbes 

    13 months ago

    Jackie, you have no idea of the sick extent Darin was willing to go to try and keep his lifestyle. He met Darlie when she was a child. She was nothing but a piece of property to.

    Nobody can fully understand what that girl went through. Darin thought he owned her. When she finally got fed up and wasn't going to take it anymore she called it quits. Darlie wasn't dark like Karla Homolka, she didn't want to go along with his sick perverted ways . Darlie loved those boys. They had perfect dental, pervert health Her money went to boys, the house/

    What really pisses me off is nobody wanted to know that kid. The jury looked at her like a greedy spoiled wife. I never saw Jackie. I saw this girl married to a spoiled evil pervert who thought he bought and paid for her because she came from trash.

    What pisses me off the most is that monster of a mother of hers continued to make money off her child. Did you know Dana was engaged to get married right after that bloody pervert moved out of the home. I said it before and I will say it again, Darlie kee pimped her daughters out. She allowed her boyfriends to molest her girls. Texas has no shame, they don't care that a murderer is going free. Darin hit the jackpot, he married money, he got away with molesting all those underage girls and he is walking free today. He is laughing at all of us.

    I will tell you one thing. That pervert will not shut me out, he wont scare me by going after my family. I am not going away. I wont stop until everyone knows that Darin Routier murdered his family and tried to kill Darlie

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    13 months ago from The Beautiful South

    I recall reading somewhere that Darlie and Darin had been fighting over him wanting her to dress sexy etc and she felt because of the boys ages it was starting to bother her. Perhaps I saw it on some show instead of reading it, just don't recall since it has been a good while back. Made sense though and I am sure it is true. That was probably an added problem she was having after a third child and no doubt pressure from Darin. I bet she was a real basket case after those murders and it is no wonder and just played right into Darin's hands.

working

This website uses cookies

As a user in the EEA, your approval is needed on a few things. To provide a better website experience, hubpages.com uses cookies (and other similar technologies) and may collect, process, and share personal data. Please choose which areas of our service you consent to our doing so.

For more information on managing or withdrawing consents and how we handle data, visit our Privacy Policy at: https://hubpages.com/privacy-policy#gdpr

Show Details
Necessary
HubPages Device IDThis is used to identify particular browsers or devices when the access the service, and is used for security reasons.
LoginThis is necessary to sign in to the HubPages Service.
Google RecaptchaThis is used to prevent bots and spam. (Privacy Policy)
AkismetThis is used to detect comment spam. (Privacy Policy)
HubPages Google AnalyticsThis is used to provide data on traffic to our website, all personally identifyable data is anonymized. (Privacy Policy)
HubPages Traffic PixelThis is used to collect data on traffic to articles and other pages on our site. Unless you are signed in to a HubPages account, all personally identifiable information is anonymized.
Amazon Web ServicesThis is a cloud services platform that we used to host our service. (Privacy Policy)
CloudflareThis is a cloud CDN service that we use to efficiently deliver files required for our service to operate such as javascript, cascading style sheets, images, and videos. (Privacy Policy)
Google Hosted LibrariesJavascript software libraries such as jQuery are loaded at endpoints on the googleapis.com or gstatic.com domains, for performance and efficiency reasons. (Privacy Policy)
Features
Google Custom SearchThis is feature allows you to search the site. (Privacy Policy)
Google MapsSome articles have Google Maps embedded in them. (Privacy Policy)
Google ChartsThis is used to display charts and graphs on articles and the author center. (Privacy Policy)
Google AdSense Host APIThis service allows you to sign up for or associate a Google AdSense account with HubPages, so that you can earn money from ads on your articles. No data is shared unless you engage with this feature. (Privacy Policy)
Google YouTubeSome articles have YouTube videos embedded in them. (Privacy Policy)
VimeoSome articles have Vimeo videos embedded in them. (Privacy Policy)
PaypalThis is used for a registered author who enrolls in the HubPages Earnings program and requests to be paid via PayPal. No data is shared with Paypal unless you engage with this feature. (Privacy Policy)
Facebook LoginYou can use this to streamline signing up for, or signing in to your Hubpages account. No data is shared with Facebook unless you engage with this feature. (Privacy Policy)
MavenThis supports the Maven widget and search functionality. (Privacy Policy)
Marketing
Google AdSenseThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Google DoubleClickGoogle provides ad serving technology and runs an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Index ExchangeThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
SovrnThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Facebook AdsThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Amazon Unified Ad MarketplaceThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
AppNexusThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
OpenxThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Rubicon ProjectThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
TripleLiftThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Say MediaWe partner with Say Media to deliver ad campaigns on our sites. (Privacy Policy)
Remarketing PixelsWe may use remarketing pixels from advertising networks such as Google AdWords, Bing Ads, and Facebook in order to advertise the HubPages Service to people that have visited our sites.
Conversion Tracking PixelsWe may use conversion tracking pixels from advertising networks such as Google AdWords, Bing Ads, and Facebook in order to identify when an advertisement has successfully resulted in the desired action, such as signing up for the HubPages Service or publishing an article on the HubPages Service.
Statistics
Author Google AnalyticsThis is used to provide traffic data and reports to the authors of articles on the HubPages Service. (Privacy Policy)
ComscoreComScore is a media measurement and analytics company providing marketing data and analytics to enterprises, media and advertising agencies, and publishers. Non-consent will result in ComScore only processing obfuscated personal data. (Privacy Policy)
Amazon Tracking PixelSome articles display amazon products as part of the Amazon Affiliate program, this pixel provides traffic statistics for those products (Privacy Policy)