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Dateline: Purgatory - Darlie Routier Book

Updated on November 27, 2018
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I have always had a fascination with true crime and legal system that has many times falsely accused and sentence and even sometimes killed.

This author in the beginning thought Darlie Routier indeed killed her boys. The media was pushing that and showed her having a party at her dead son'r graves! How heartless can a mother be? But then I find out there are two videos and she is sobbing in the other, the one no one wants anyone to see. The also sell us all on her low morals, that makes her a murderer, doesn't it?

It does seem clear in this reading that the jury will only see what the prosecution wants them to see, much like the media, much like today's media. It is undeniable that the defense put little if any effort in this trial and objected to very little.

So it is very easy to see how a jury could be persuaded. So very much they do not see of what they should have and on one important issue they are even lied to.

Yet this does not call for a new trial? Let's see what you think from the information in this book by Kathy Cruz.


Darlie has been almost 20 years in prison and still has held to her innocence of the crime she was convicted of.
Darlie has been almost 20 years in prison and still has held to her innocence of the crime she was convicted of. | Source

Kathy Cruz investigation - New Look at Old Mystery

Dateline: Purgatory is a fairly recent book out by Kathy Cruz. I was very anxious to read it knowing it would lead me through all the trial and days of the trial and conviction of Darlie Routier.

I have read through the court documents so much and I have read 1001 views of others. I find that quite a few of us (myself being one) who had no doubts that Darlie did this looked at it differently once we found out there was more than one scene at the silly string grave party that showed two sides of this mother. We only saw what the prosecution wanted us to see.

Kathy tells us how Dana, Darlie's younger sister has had a lifetime now of guilt being the one to bring the silly string and possibly causing the prosecution to have a ploy to convince not only the jury this made Darlie guilty but perhaps the general public.


Justice for Darlie Routier?

Dateline Purgatory is full of food for thought for how this trial went.
Dateline Purgatory is full of food for thought for how this trial went. | Source

Did no one on the defense team question her muddled memory and what could possibly cause it if not the sliced throat?

So Many Things Missed

Several friends saw the sores in Darlie’s mouth and fed her ice to help the pain she is having even being half out of it. She was also heavily medicated the day of the silly string and suffering from dry mouth and was why she was acting loopy and smacking gum someone had given her for dry mouth her friends claim.

Could Darlie have been knocked out with ether or xylene it is questioned. Since these both were easy to obtain in 1996 for auto parts but also for building computer hard drives. This would answer so much of Darlie's actions and her sore mouth. This would have wiped out memory of the happenings and possibly struggle with someone trying to kill her and certainly answer all the confusion she had.

Neither of the Routier’s cars are in the driveway this night and the sports car is broken down. They were preparing to leave for vacation and did someone perhaps not seeing any cars think they were already gone?

They claimed no dust was wiped from the window that someone was supposed to have come through and the dirt was not disturbed. Darlie’s best friend’s husband (Kenneth Waits) said he checked this out after her sentencing and there was no dirt beneath the window to be disturbed and not only that but the big window was only about six inches off the ground which meant anyone could step right through it not having to disturb dust. He said they lied about all of that that was listed in her arrest affidavit. (Why did the defense not check any of this out?)

Was there ever any suspect besides Darlie?
Was there ever any suspect besides Darlie? | Source

Working Free for Darlie

Stephen Cooper became Darlie’s court appointed lawyer in 1997 after her conviction no doubt because she had no more funds for a lawyer but this lawyer has gone on representing her at no charge because he believes in her innocence as so many have.

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Black Car Mystery

Several witnesses told the police they had seen a black car just before these murders. That they appeared to be watching the Routier house! Why would they lie? (The book will also tell you about a white truck that Darlie reported seeing that day and the connection it could have to two criminal thugs who claimed to have done some stabbing that night!)

Terry Laber and Bart Epstein, blood splatter experts, were prepared to testify that Darlie had not staged a crime scene but were never called to testify by Darlie’s Lawyer Mulder! They had already been paid except for travel expense to come testify. Mulder did not think they had anything to add to the case so he did not call them. With practically nothing for the defense why would he make this choice?

The defense kept claiming that Darlie slept through the murders of her two sons instead of suggesting she may have been unconscious during that time which greatly affected the jury’s thinking. Did no one on the defense team question her muddled memory and what could possibly cause it if not the sliced throat?

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Reasonable Doubt?

A partial bloody print that still has not been identified.
A partial bloody print that still has not been identified. | Source

Unidentified Fingerprint

The unidentified bloody partial fingerprint that was found on a glass sofa table by crime scene investigator James Con, between the room of the attacks and the kitchen was said during trial to be of a child’s between the age of five and six. After the trial a forensic anthropologist said it was a print of an unidentified adult. Although a scan of it could very well name the owner if the print is clear enough; law enforcement has to make that request and so far they clearly have no intent of doing so.

Casting Doubt

Mulder claimed he was only Darin’s lawyer for less than 60 seconds when he was accused of breaking a gag order he had not been cautioned about. If Darlie was the only client then to save her life why did he not mention Darlie asking him for a divorce or mention the high insurance on Darlie’s life which the jury never got to hear about? He did bring it up for the sentencing…would that not have been important to at least put one doubt in the jury's mind?

Tired of being Daisy Duke

Darlie asked Darin for a divorce just hours before the attacks on her and her sons. She said she did not feel like being Daisy Duke for him anymore dressing sexy in front of her sons was starting to bother her conscience and they were fighting about it often. So this was not the first time she threatened to divorce him; other times he threatened to hurt himself in front of their sons if she left him; but this time he just went upstairs and went to bed.

Is Darlie Routier Guilty?

Are you convinced of Darlie's guilt or do you think she could have been railroaded?

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Convenient Afterthoughts?

1. It was not at first known how the necklace became embedded but after removal two nicks were found in the necklace. The necklace could have well been what kept a main artery from being severed.

2. Investigator who questioned Darlie in hospital did not use recordings or written notes.

3. It wasn’t until five years after Darlie’s conviction that Darin confessed to plotting a break in for insurance scam.

4. With the growing number of influential people convinced of Darlie's innocence why can no one help her?

5.The sock in the alley contained Damon’s blood and no blood trail from Darlie was found meaning if she inflicted her own wounds it had to be after she stabbed him and since he was still living when the first respondent's arrived it meant he had to have been stabbed just minutes before not allowing the timeline it would have taken for Darlie to have done it and this from courtroom testimony. So Darlie had to be ruled out as the one to do this. No one bothered.

6. Sarilda, Darlie’s mother-in-law saw a mass of black bruises under Darlie’s hospital gown on her body not in view. Was this photographed? A nurse called these defense wounds.

7. Sandy Aitken, Darin’s aunt noted the judge went to sleep 16 times during the trial and was asleep seriously when the Rowlett Police Lieutenant James Walling was testifying about handling of bloody crime scene evidence some of which he put in the car and defense attorneys concerned with inexperienced police officers putting articles in the same bag making transference a possibility changing the interpretation of blood splatter.

8. All the evidence has been kept in brown grocery bags since 1996; moved around and back and forth when it should have been vacuum sealed! (You can see them in video below.)

9. The material found in the bread knife they claimed were from the screen was also consistent with fibers in a brush they would have used over fingerprints. Charles Linch who did this testing on this had been hospitalized for alcoholism and depression just previous to this which was not known until years later.

10. Why does the information sent back to the jury by court reporter Sandra Halsey saying the utility door was locked (which it was not but the garage door was locked) make grounds for a new trial? They had to wonder why there was absolutely no damage to this door when in fact all anyone had to do was simply open and walk in.

"An earthquake achieves what the law promises but does not in practice maintain — the equality of all men."

— Ignazio Silone
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Forgiveness for "Precious Angels"

Barbara Davis who wrote Precious Angels accusing Darlie of killing her two sons now believes Darlie was railroaded.

Davis was in the house with her 25 year old son three years after Darlie was convicted when police broke down the door and shot and killed her son and arrested her. This was from a false police report in a drug investigation and Barbara had to grieve her dead son from jail; the same as Darlie Routier had hers. She changed her mind about Darlie’s guilt and apologized to Darlie and was instantly forgiven the same as the juror who asked forgiveness for his guilty vote.

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More Interesting Tidbits

The Routier house was torn all to pieces and parts of furniture, walls and appliances even, were taken as evidence. In the mass of things taken from the Routier house is Darlie's Will for her boys. She states who they should go to and how their inheritance would not be given to them until they are 25 if they do not go to college and that if they should marry the money would be protected.

So Many Questions

Here are a few that Dateline:Purgatory brings up:

1. Who was the man Darin saw in the house and thought was a policeman before the first policeman showed up? (If he is telling the truth; could this be the or one of the intruders going out the front door before police arrive?)

2. If Darlie threw the sock in the alley as a prop to make herself look innocent then why does she never mention it? When she is questioned she never says a word about the sock. So what was the point if she did indeed put it there?

3. Did prosecutors use breast implants and a male stripper to get the death penalty for Darlie? (They spent repeated times putting Darlie down as a woman to the jury as if that equaled murderer. Did it to the jury?)

4. What other mother has killed her children with her husband just feet away in the same house? (Can you name one?)

5. What was the motive given for Darlie killing her sons? (What mother who no longer wants her kids are so involved in their lives (school and home) as Darlie was?

6. Darlie's defense lawyer, Mulder, claimed he was only Darin’s lawyer for less than 60 seconds when Darin was accused of breaking a gag order he had not been cautioned about. If Darlie was the only client then to save her life why did he not mention Darlie asking Darin for a divorce or mention the high insurance Darin had on Darlie’s life which the jury never got to hear about? (Mulder only brought it up for the sentencing once she was found guilty.)

Silvia Chase 3 years after Darlie's conviction

Self-inflicted? In hospital photo. Main artery barely missed in her neck. Two jurors swear they never saw these photos.
Self-inflicted? In hospital photo. Main artery barely missed in her neck. Two jurors swear they never saw these photos.
Prosecution claim Darlie inflicted these wounds on herself before or after she stabbed her sons and ran and threw a sock down the alley.
Prosecution claim Darlie inflicted these wounds on herself before or after she stabbed her sons and ran and threw a sock down the alley.

Humanly Possible to Make All Those Wounds and Bruises to Oneself?

I simply cannot believe Darlie made these wounds on herself and I do not see how anyone could. What other mother that murdered or tried to murder their child did this sort of injury to themselves? I really would like to see an example. Darlie always looked like a doll and there was no testimony from anyone that she ever enjoyed injuring herself. These are deep bruises and wounds; it took a lot of effort for them to be made. They are so obviously defense wounds; how much thought and effort it took if these were done by her and I will never believe she did this.

Court Transcripts Incorrect

The jury asked if the utility door was locked and the answer sent back to them by the court reporter Sandra Halsey was ‘yes it was locked’ but the true answer was Darin said the garage door was locked but not the utility door. So the jury could have and maybe did assume from this that the utility door going into the house should have shown forced entry if someone came in through the window with the torn screen and through that door. Of course it did not have damage, being unlocked, but the jury never knew this.

There was a real mess also with this court reporter who was going through marital trouble with her husband and she claimed to not have the trial transcripts that were for some reason in her garage and to keep from getting into trouble she claimed they had been erased and she didn’t have them. Then she went before a judge and according to this book admittedly lied.

The court had to have them redone and was out the $74,000 Halsey was paid plus that again. Halsey allegedly had 3300 errors in the transcripts; misspellings, typographical errors, omitted words and misidentified speakers!

Supposedly when all this was said and done (the book is not clear on who said this) it was offered to Darlie to admit her guilt and they would take death off the table and she would just have life. She knows death could be coming soon since she is older and her notoriety is wearing off and the state would feel better in doing that now.

But she said no; she refused to say she was guilty of killing her sons; as she has continued to do now for almost 20 years. She says she is ready to die if that is how it is to be and that God must have His reason for all she has been through.

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Dateline: Purgatory by Kathy Cruz

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  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    4 months ago from The Beautiful South

    I hope they are Ronda, I just keep hoping the right one will come along too, that can open this back up for Darlie.

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    Ronda Flowers 

    4 months ago

    ABC aired 4 parts for the Routier case beginning June 12th

    ... initially was to b 3 parts for Darlie Routier and 3 parts for Julius Jones who is currently on Death Row n Oklahoma.

    The Last Defense https://g.co/kgs/ewu1PW

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    Paula 

    4 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Ronda.......When did The Last Defense air? on what program or network, please? I missed it! I'm sure they'll repeat it.....(I HOPE)

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    Ronda Flowers 

    4 months ago

    Do you feel that, since the recently aired showing of Viola Davis's The Last Defense, more people will and are starting to take notice of Darlie's case?

  • Jackie Lynnley profile imageAUTHOR

    Jackie Lynnley 

    11 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Poor Darlie, I do hope someone will do something quickly. I cannot imagine all those years she has had to be there and of course at first Darin has led her on to have hope while knowing there was none and he would see to it.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    11 months ago from The Beautiful South

    I am very surprised the law is not breathing down his neck, they really astound me at times.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    11 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Bryan is one weird person and I honestly could not say. I cannot stand to listen to him. He may as well be the devil.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    11 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Belated holiday wishes to you too, M Forbes. I think an arrest on Darin will incriminate the police force who really set Darlie up, while protecting Darin for God only knows what reason, so I would not hold my breath on that.

    Only if they get some serious guns in there will anything ever be done. It is such a sad case and more so for those who refuse to look at Darin, who had the only thing to gain by the three of these deaths. I used to really believe he was only after Darlie and the kids got in the way but now I cannot see but he had to have had a personal hand in it all and knew the kids would be goners too. With not a hint Darlie would live through this. I do believe that necklace is what saved Darlie and landed her on death row.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    14 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Thanks so much, will check it out now.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    14 months ago from The Beautiful South

    One of the first things I read was how bad they messed up the crime scene. That could be the sole reason they pinned it on Darlie so fast to help cover that fact up.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    14 months ago from The Beautiful South

    I hope you can M. You have brought so many things to light about him. I just went on a gut feeling about him, listening to him talk about a dead son. He sent chills up my spine knowing there was no love or remorse there. You though have really worked on these records and dug out so many facts I had no idea of.

    I do still get hung up on that dog a lot that most people choose to ignore. A very important matter if you ask me. Why wouldn't the police have zoned in on that? Am I missing something?

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    14 months ago from The Beautiful South

    There is some real problems there for sure.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    14 months ago from The Beautiful South

    I personally just steer clear of that guy.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    14 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Who knows what is going on. Maybe they are still afraid Darin will be found out and maybe Darlie still thinks he is innocent or maybe she is as afraid of them as she aught to be.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    14 months ago from The Beautiful South

    I am just so very pleased to hear that. Can you find an address for Darlie so many of us can encourage her to only listen to legal advice meaning not her family? I would love to wish her all my best anyway and know others would too.

    That girl needs some hope and I think letters may give her that and maybe get attention too!

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    14 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Well that sort of tells us how much her mother wants her out doesn't it? If she ever did get out and got millions for being wrongly tried her mom and Darin would be all over her, don't you know it? I would hope she would never speak to them again!!!

    I hope someone she trusts will have a long talk with her one day and she sees the light in that hell hole they have put her in.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    14 months ago from The Beautiful South

    That sounds great. I would like to find out even more about it.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    14 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Thanks M, I will check it out soon as I have some free time for a good look.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    14 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Me too M. I really do.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    14 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Poor Darlie. Bad enough she has been thrown in a dungeon but to have so many hate her....without once giving her the benefit of a doubt.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    14 months ago from The Beautiful South

    No I do not have any information. Their site should provide all that and of course they don't. I would never give them a cent knowing they hardly have Darlie's best interest at heart. Someone needs to look into just what they do with monies they collect.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    14 months ago from The Beautiful South

    I know, it is ridiculous. There were so many reasons to suspect Darin and you have brought to light more than even I ever considered. Hang in there M. Maybe one day the right one will will read you and make an important step to help free Darlie. Seems all we have is an empty hope but keeping the word out there and doubts of Darin is all we have.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    14 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Oh, glad to hear that. Maybe someone will come along eventually. You know news reporters are just not what they used to be or one would have brought all this up and gotten her a new trial.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    14 months ago from The Beautiful South

    I hate to hear that. But she is like an abused child and worse having no means of help except from the ones who put her there. If she is defending him she will no doubt never get help from anyone. That is so depressing!

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    14 months ago from The Beautiful South

    I totally ignore that guy. He is not worth a response! Some people seem so sick with their hatred. I know you and I feel about the same about Darin and hope he one day is brought to justice, but it is justice we want, not vengeance!

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    14 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Will take a look MForbes. I have been in a discussion at Facebook that seems pretty will controlled even with the Darlie haters. It gets tiresome though doesn't it, when people will not even consider Darlie was set up and the police fell for it hook, line and sinker and then could not back out! They know now I am sure but not about to do a thing but hope it all goes away.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    15 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Paula, I will admit at first I had a few nagging doubts but even then as you say this was not normal and so if she had been guilty she was tried (and sentenced) all wrong. Now I just simply have no doubt who is behind it and even years ago before I was aware of Darin only offering to help his dead child I always said the living child would not have kept going to his mother if she had been the one to stab him and then as someone here pointed out he never went to his father!

    I wish there was something more we could do, it is just not right but her own family could be the ones causing this standstill of no help!

    I wish we could get someone like a Sylvia Chase interested in this case! Anyone who could stir up some interest.

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    Paula 

    15 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    (sigh) At this juncture, I've reached the point where the more I read and try to focus on this case, the more questions and frustrations surface. Its' that realization of chasing one's tail.

    I continue to find it simply unimaginable that a woman/mother can suddenly snap so completely as to have an episode of stark-raving madness, lashing out in such an egregious & drastic manner. Despite being consciously aware that these atrocities happen all the time, my mind simply refuses to go there, leaving me frozen in one spot.

    It's also very telling to me that after all this time, Barry Schrek and his Innocence Project has not made any attempt to step in, in any capacity at all.

    This case, for me, will remain a gnawing intrusion with no conclusion. I am continually taken aback by the variations of possible scenarios, offered by those who have spoken out.

    I am especially disturbed by the suspicions expressed about Darlie's own mother.

    Jackie.....the thread for this article must be MILES long! Paula

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    15 months ago from The Beautiful South

    I agree.

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    Jonid 

    15 months ago

    I do not trust her mother at all. She still defends Darin to this day even knowing of his lies and involvement. This is the most disturbing case I have ever read about. Darlie can not trust anyone, specially her mother and Darin.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    15 months ago from The Beautiful South

    No I have not seen her account but I will look it up. I have also said Darlie would be in danger on the outside.

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    Jonid 

    15 months ago

    Has anyone taken a peek at Darlie Kee's facebook account? That woman is as evil as they come. She is insulting so many people. I don't believe she ever wanted to help her daughter. I think she is a very sick evil woman. No wonder poor Darlie is still locked up. It wouldn't be safe for her on the outside. Between Darin and Kee, Darlie would be in danger.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    16 months ago from The Beautiful South

    I believe I have joined it, will go in and make sure. You put a lot there right? I know I read yours somewhere at Facebook, but will go back and see.

    Thanks.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    16 months ago from The Beautiful South

    I agree with you completely about him but if they ever do catch him in this I think they will fry him PDQ! They will get him good and quick. He has to know that.

    I will check that out, thanks!

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    16 months ago from The Beautiful South

    No MForbes, as shocking as it was to hear it I do understand it means a lot. It does so say he was up to something and to go back to a son he knows is dead, ignoring the live one says even more. Some people just do not want to see it

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    16 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Yes I truly believe they are saving the state of Texas from being sued and their own butts from messing up the crime scene and I guess there is not even one in the whole bunch with a conscience. Perhaps a deathbed confession is the only hope Darlie has?

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    16 months ago from The Beautiful South

    That's OK and I don't mind at all. The more we get those thinking of poor Darlie the better. Who knows what it will take for her to get her break.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    16 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Putting links at your Facebook account should be safe enough too and can get more people to HP to read you.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    16 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Well I can't say I remember it exactly but I think you did a hub that passed HP goals didn't you. If you just outline it correctly and get the minimum wording you can work on it daily until it is how you want it. I am sure it would be good. Just write what you write here.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    16 months ago from The Beautiful South

    This seems a pretty safe place to write MForbes and you could do Darlie a lot of good with your valuable information. Polly has so many readers and I only have a fraction of hers but I think if you get something up and running with all your facts and proofs you could have more than both of us put together.

    Don't be scared off by them, HP will help you if they get bad and you could simply delete them. It really does no good to argue with people like that, they like getting you mad.

    Put your energy in making the best presentation you possibly can and I am sure Polly and I both will share with our readers.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    16 months ago from The Beautiful South

    I only knew Dana was there and there had been an argument and he took her home. I had no idea there was anything maybe going on. You would think the police would have jumped all over that to see what it was all about. I still am baffled Darin wasn't their first suspect taking out the big life policy on Darlie. I mean you or I could have done a better investigation for sure!

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    16 months ago from The Beautiful South

    One trip he had to let the dog out for sure but who knows what all was going on with him and you know he is taking every opportunity he can to make Darlie look more guilty and he has played her and her nerves to the hilt to make her act and talk crazy and who knows what all ideas he has put in her head. I hope time lasts long enough for Darlie to come out of this and be able to look back with a clear head to realize just how he played her to get by with murder. I will never believe she knowingly defended him. I think she was in a trauma so deep and he is all she had! Poor girl.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    16 months ago from The Beautiful South

    True, true and I have often thought about hearing Darin say, "They took..and it is as if he looked and whatever they were supposed to take wasn't gone...which still leaves me to believe someone could have been in there and for certain someone carried the sock outside and we have no reason to believe Darlie did or that time even allowed for that and besides that as many have pointed out, she never once used that as an alibi for anything so why would she have done that if there were time or reason? That sock was not an intentional drop.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    16 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Here is an interesting theory. Perhaps Darin was the shirtless intruder. Maybe he thought he had killed his wife and kids and had someone drive by to take his bloody clothes but dropped the sock. When he returns he finds Darlie on the 911 call so too late to finish her off and one of his sons is still alive and as you say he knows his dad has done this....the only living witness at this time?

    I am sure he sweat bullets until this son did die. I always wondered why he would call for his mother and go to her if she stabbed him. Another reason I could not believe she did. Besides the different tone when these two parents spoke of their children. Warm verses cold.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    17 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Yes it is a shame, maybe we should have all Darlie sympathizers write her and convince her she needs to drop them to ever get help?

    Maybe Darin was not even in the house when Darlie came to and ran for the phone or perhaps he would have finished her off I would say before she could get help. He has left her for dead I feel sure.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    17 months ago from The Beautiful South

    I recall reading somewhere that Darlie and Darin had been fighting over him wanting her to dress sexy etc and she felt because of the boys ages it was starting to bother her. Perhaps I saw it on some show instead of reading it, just don't recall since it has been a good while back. Made sense though and I am sure it is true. That was probably an added problem she was having after a third child and no doubt pressure from Darin. I bet she was a real basket case after those murders and it is no wonder and just played right into Darin's hands.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    17 months ago from The Beautiful South

    That is s interesting! Of course if he was not guilty he would have collected and you know I always thought Darin had hired someone to come in and murder Darlie for the money and the kids just happened to be in the way. To think he wanted them dead..he does need to fry!

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    17 months ago from The Beautiful South

    I wish there was someone out there who could do something, and I know there is, like Diane Sawyer. I mean she believes in her innocence now but does she know all this about Darin? Would it make her take a closer look? That is what is needed and maybe someone like her could get funding none of Darlie's family could touch. Really, Darlie needs a miracle it seems.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    17 months ago from The Beautiful South

    So true, until those who believe in Darlie's innocence learn to accept her family helped put and keep her there we may not be doing Darlie one ounce of good. Can you find out if anyone is funding Darlie that none of them can get their hands on?

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    17 months ago from The Beautiful South

    As I have read many times, all these odd things that they claim Darlie did to take eyes off her, she never even brings up or mentions in any fashion. They really just screwed up this investigation so bad it is a shame someone does not hold them accountable. They know they are wrong and they are not interested in anyone looking into it further.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    17 months ago from The Beautiful South

    I didn't even know about the cocaine, guess I have just not gotten into it as deeply as many but I am glad to learn all I can so keep the info that needs to be out there coming!

    Clearly they should have had a new investigation. Darin sure is a lucky crook. But hell will get its revenge, be sure of that.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    17 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Thanks! I will take a look at it tomorrow. Very late now and I have to get to sleep!

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    17 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Yes I do believe the prosecution made her look like a tramp and bad mother and that is what got her found guilty. She went to a strip club and that made her a murderer. It is all so ridiculous and all these angry saints show up ready to hang her.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    17 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Well MForbes it makes as much sense as everything else they claim Darlie plotted out about these murders, like all the damage she supposedly did to herself which some experts say could not be done in the minutes she had to do it. No matter what anyone anywhere says there is reasonable doubt up one side and down the other in this case!

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    17 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Clearly it was a mistake for him to be lawyer to both Darlie and Darin. That bothered me way before I even suspected Darin having anything to do with it. Did I not also read he was against Darlie before he was hired to be her lawyer. Been so long ago but there was something odd at the very beginning but my memory fails me. Maybe someone could remind me?

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    17 months ago from The Beautiful South

    You are doing a great job MForbes. I don't blame you for your feelings for Darin and you clearly have researched more than me or anyone else I know of.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    17 months ago from The Beautiful South

    You should report it to youtube. I really just cannot look at these things and it reminds me of how easily Darin spoke of his son and air blowing out his chest when he did cpr on him and the pleasure he showed talking about this let me know who was the bad parent.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    17 months ago from The Beautiful South

    No, you mean here at HP? I will look for it. Thanks.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    17 months ago from The Beautiful South

    I just hope that Darlie knows. Wouldn't it be wonderful if some lawyer would represent Darlie and get her the counseling she is so dearly going to need? Wonder if she has a clue those she love most are the most dangerous to her?

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    17 months ago from The Beautiful South

    I have an opinion on Jodie and with just limited news stories so I will not voice an opinion on that.

    I too started out thinking Darlie was guilty and that has shown me how we should know our facts and look at the whole picture before judging and I cannot blame those who are not 100% sure Darlie is innocent but surely not one person could honestly say there is not a reasonable doubt? That was all she needed...and still does.

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    Paula 

    17 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Well, again, all I can say is that I'm sorry you see it this way. It simply is not true, MForbes. I do hope one day when you have the time, you read thoroughly into the Arias case. The abused, harassed & stalked person was Travis. The FBI found Zero porn sites on his computer...no kiddie porn or any porn.

    You can't know this, because you really don't know me, but believe me, I would be the LAST person in the world to attempt to make a man a "saint", and certainly not due to a religion. Anyway, of course you're entitled to your opinion. If I had not delved so deeply into the Darlie case,I know I'd have believed her stone cold guilty. Although I am still at an impasse, looking further and reading MORE has given me plenty to think about. You have a safe and Happy 4th!

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    Paula 

    17 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    MForbes.....Jodie did NOT simply snap. Jodi had serious mental and emotional issues for many years. She had severe personality disorders__this confirmed and reconfirmed by doctors, co-workers, former boyfriends, friends and even her own parents. You really need to read up thoroughly on the entire Aries case because you have all the incorrect assumptions.

    You said "darlie" was willing to change her religion....I know you meant, "jodie"......BUT that too, was just a part of her slippery game. As for the "sex" thing.....Jodie seduced Travis...threw herself at him, initiated the trysts and introduced him to many things. No, he wasn't innocent.....he was a human man, but when he and his friends realized Jodie was seriously unstable, he attempted to separate himself from her.....and then came the stalking..... Just believe me that I do know what I'm talking about.

    This thread isn't about Jodie, so I'll stop here.....but just like you know how you feel about Darlie.....I feel certain about Jodie and Travis. I didn't mention he was Mormon to make him out to be a saint....not at all. I just wanted you to know he was not a "Preacher."

    By the way...if you haven't read my hub on Aileen Wuornos, I think you would like it!

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    17 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Glad that is all cleared up. Always great to see someone else who can see Darlie is not a murderer.

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    Paula 

    17 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    MForbes...Excuse me please, but It's fairly obvious you are very confused. You may want to start from square one and read both comments by HungJuror1. It's very clear to me that he/she is presenting an "opinion" on the stark difference he/she notes between Jodi Arias and Darlie.....(not that he is comparing the 2 women in terms of their crimes, but in terms of their demeanor, expressions and appearance of guilt or innocence.)

    I do not know all about Darlie's case in complete detail, but I am learning more and more, even though it is a 20 yr yr. old case.

    When it comes to the Arias case I am totally fine-tuned and engrossed completely in that case, having watched every moment, read everything printed and/or reported. I am even knowledgeable on the backgrounds of all the individuals involved.

    Jodi IS a sociopath, pathological liar and very disturbed woman who committed an extremely cold-blooded, completely per-meditated murder. Where on earth did you get the idea that Travis Alexander was a preacher?? He surely was not. Yes, he was an active successful member of the Mormon Church, but his livelihood was with "Pre-Paid Legal." He in no way played Jodi nor abused her in any way. Travis was a fine, hard-working, wonderful young man, very well-respected and loved by his family, associates, friends and co-workers. I'm sorry MForbes, but you couldn't be more wrong on the hard core facts of the Arias case.

    As for HungJuror 1, I don't know who he/she is, but from what I can see, he is claiming that Darlie showed herself to be in true grief for her boys and behaved like an innocent woman. By your comment to HungJuror, it seems you think he was putting Darlie down...and I don't believe he was at all. As you have accused him of not knowing the facts in Darlie's case, please know that you too are not at all briefed on the Arias case. I cannot claim to be an expert on Darlie, but I am extremely knowledgeable of Jodie's. I hope you can see where you erred in your response to HungJuror. He's FOR Darlie and believes her innocence.

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    17 months ago

    (Comment continued..) Jodi and Darlie both testified in their respective trials, compare their testimony. Jodi covers her eyes and face EVERY SINGLE TIME she cries in media interviews and while on the stand bc she's crying on demand, the tears are fake, she damn well knows it, so she covered her face bc fake emotion isn't hard to spot when you look into someone's face and eyes when they're supposedly upset. Jodi cried bc she thought it was what ppl wanted to see when certain topics were discussed while she was on the stand. When Darlie cries, she doesn't cover anything, she lets ppl see her eyes and her face and you can tell her tears are real. Jodi hardly cried AT ALL before the trial in interviews, she had this "I'm innocent, I know it, so everything is good," attitude about her during pre trial media. Darlie can't protest her innocence for two seconds without crying tears that are obviously real. The really fu$&ed up thing about comparing these two women is the devilish cold blooded mirderer got natural life while the innocent one is currently awaiting her execution in death row. If the state of TX executes Dare Routier, it will be murder, not justice.

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    HungJuror1 

    17 months ago

    This is an interesting comparison that might help those on the fence. I remember watching Jodi Arias' pre trial interviews and thinking she could possibly be innocent, then Juan Martinez proved her to be a sociopathic, narcissistic, lying piece of monkey crap during the trial. We all have the benefit of knowing now that JA lied through her teeth during those pre trial interviews bc during the trial she finally admitted to killing Travis Alexander, which she flatly and outright denied millions of times in her pre trial media interviews. So watch Jodis PRE TRIAL interviews, bc those are the interviews she gave before the world found out she was a cold blooded killer lying through her teeth. Watch her deny killing Travis, then watch Darlie deny killing her sons in her pre trial interviews. Watch Jodi when she talks about the man she brutally killed, then compare it with Darlie talking about her sons in pre trial media interviews. Compare their words, their tone, their manurisms.....watch their eyes, compare the way they cry, compare their eyes when they're crying and when they're not... AND TELL ME THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE. Holy Lord Jesus it doesn't take two seconds to tell the difference between the eyes and tears of a cold blooded killer and the eyes and tears of a woman that's innocent.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    18 months ago from The Beautiful South

    I hope so...I pray so.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    18 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Are there any petitions out there calling for the release of Darlie? (or investigation Darin?) Would that help? I would sure help spread the word if there were.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    18 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Darin just seems to be the luckiest criminal born, doesn't he? So many on his side and helping him right along, Didn't they ever think he had the most to gain?

    They made Darlie out to be a slut and that makes a whole jury think she is a murderer? I guess prosecutors pick a jury well who are going to judge her morals and believe anything.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    18 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Yes, MForbes, it talks in this book about that drug (well some drug) that Darin could have had in his business. It was used in electronics and car garages and I think it answers for much of how Darlie was acting too and why she was not more freaked out than she was over her children and herself. I think whoever sliced her throat left her for dead but the necklace saved her, just barely and anyone who thinks she did that to herself is talking such craziness. Makes much more sense that Darin did it than Darlie sliced her own throat.

    Perhaps Darin removed her panties to make it look like rape...little knowing then how idiotic all the justice system would be to make his escape so easy and put money in his pocket. They did take his baby though, they figured it out but were in too deep to back out so they protected the baby, I am sure having a talk with his parents...and him. How do you take ab innocent man's baby from him?

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    18 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Really? I thought Darin divorced Darlie to marry someone else?

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    18 months ago from The Beautiful South

    I don't know MForbes...she was hardly mature when she got put behind those bars. Has she ever realized anything about Darin or her mom?

    Darin pretended to support and love her for years to keep her from thinking. Can you mature or grow behind bars with no real life?

    I just don't know.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    18 months ago from The Beautiful South

    No, MForbes I had no idea of that, first time I heard anything about it. I admit I did find it odd, Darin moving in with her before I had too many suspicions about anything.

    Poor Darlie I hope she can manage to be a normal person if she is ever free.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    18 months ago from The Beautiful South

    I have no proof whatsoever but I believe being Darlie's husband and under all the pressure she was being accused of this she of course never suspected him and he in return did all he could to make her seem outrageous (through God only knows what means) and of course he had to to save himself but why the law never suspected him at all is so very strange. The only one to profit and surely they all knew that. Now they just cannot admit another mistake of which they have made many. I among many suspected him right away, of at least having an involvement although now I do see he clearly could have been the lone assailant.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    18 months ago from The Beautiful South

    It did publish as far as I know and I read and commented. Hope it is still there, very very good.Hope everyone goes have a look!

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    18 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Hi all! Keep us informed if any of you hear anything at all. There is hope for Darlie now, I can feel it. Poor girl.

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    lindaf3 

    18 months ago from Amsterdam, The Netherlands

    Quote OLIVER PENWELL ESQUIRE who reads Transcripts at his best and has connections to 'real judges' :

    ""Thank goodness she's where she is, and hopefully will stay there until needle day (oops, there I go stalking Darlie's death again...)"

    STOP that nonsense Bryan st John... We know that its you!

    @Kezzy: GO GIRL!! whoohoo!

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    lindaf3 

    18 months ago from Amsterdam, The Netherlands

    Oliver Penwell Esquire AKA Bryan nice try!! SCLemmons AKA Darin Routier very nice try!

    It aint gonna work tho..

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    18 months ago from The Beautiful South

    They are not worth worrying about and I would not be interested enough to read their articles, personally, knowing their spirits of hate, much less comment there.

    I never simply delete people who disagree with me, would never do that, but when they cross a line they will be deleted and not welcomed back. Polly feels the same and was almost deleted for some of the horrible things said on her hub so they can try whatever they want but why waste their time? Few want to read them unless they are just like them and we know misery loves company.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    18 months ago from The Beautiful South

    I agree Paula. Although SC is a bit set on it being Darlie no matter what he is not the same personality as Bryan. Thankfully.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    18 months ago from The Beautiful South

    I would love to read your hub MForbes! I will follow you to be sure not to miss it!

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    Paula 

    18 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Mforbes....Hi ! Bryan "might" be behind some of it, BUT, I can assure you, he's not writing under SClemmons.....I read SC's hub.....despite the content~~ whoever it is, is extremely literate and prolific....in other words, an impeccable writer. I've listened to Bryon St John speak on video. He's about as red neck, ignorant, illiterate as they come. People who speak like that....CANNOT WRITE LIKE A SCHOLAR. Just thought you could use that bit of info....There are more people who believe Darlie is guilty than there are those who don't or are unsure (as I am)

    I'm much too into the maternal part of this. Basically, I have a most difficult time wrapping my brain around a Mom being capable of the brutal, violent slaughter of her own flesh & blood precious, sleeping babies.....no matter what I do, I cannot get past that even though I'm well aware such egregious atrocities occur with alarming frequency. I literally sob when I see photos of those Angels. Also, I simply could not get through the article that described the murders....I thought my heart would pound right out of my chest. The vision in my mind of Darlie plunging a butcher knife, numerous times into their little fragile bodies, made me physically ill and emotionally drained. So....I don't know how long it will take me~~"IF" I keep delving and studying, reading & absorbing actual facts...and ultimately can accept her 100% guilt w/o reasonable doubt...and even then, if I'm able to say the words.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    18 months ago from The Beautiful South

    MForbes - No I do not know anything about that. Kezzy I believe has spoke of it and I have not been in touch with her in a few days but maybe she will stop by and tell us what she knows.

    I have no patience with these idiots and I just do not argue with them and can easily delete them if they wanna get too bad. I have no fear of them and it disgusts me too that any big man wants to see a mother who never touched her children all their lives murdered instead of ever considering who had something to gain from all this.

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    Jackie Lynnley 

    18 months ago from The Beautiful South

    Paula, I just talked to Kezzy a couple days ago, I will check on her. I think she has tried to talk to Darlie with no results and yes she has been very much involved in this case. She has had threats and I hope that is not the case again.

    You could try see Darlie, worth a try, and a phone call or two should let you know. It would be wonderful to have someone speak with her and let her know how much we are all pulling for her and get some feedback from her. Please try.

    I know these guys have not been here til now but they do show up everywhere like vultures. I have nothing to say to them. (Well SClemmons and I have spoken somewhat here.) There is no getting them to look at any other version and many men (and women) for whatever reason seem to have an unnatural loyalty to Darin who I assume they do not even know.

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    Paula 

    18 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Oh my, what a sad state of affairs that grown men play such child-like games like masquerading & trickery. How weak & ineffective they must feel to need alter-egos to embellish their comments. I cannot & will not play such games with deceivers.

    So sorry Jackie, I will continue to follow your interesting hub, but I won't subject myself to interaction with selfish individuals who do not respect the opinions of others and our freedoms of speech & choice.

    My intention is to become more and more informed via research of the facts in this case. Since I am quite capable of reason and forming my own result, I don't wish to be force-fed opinions while being insulted.

    This woman has been imprisoned for 2 decades. If she is truly guilty of this egregious slaughter of her precious babies, she is precisely where she should be. However, I must arrive at this conclusion as I have the option and opportunity to do so. Without this, my sense of justice and fairness is missing. In the meantime, I have no need for bombardment. Peace.

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    lindaf3 

    18 months ago from Amsterdam, The Netherlands

    Thats exactly what they want MForbes. Everytime we come up with the lies in the Darlie Routier case, they start to focus on our profiles. Everton is so desperate, he tries it with the Racist thing.

    But since I found out that ScLemmons and a few others are one and the same person, I dont really care anylonger. Its a waste of time.

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    Oliver Penwell Esquire 

    18 months ago from Tailgate party at Gatesville

    Linda 3, you are a liar. . If you had the brain power to truly check my IP address, you'd know what it is. You'd also know it's different from the others. I know you're​ upset about not being kowtowed to, but that's a really new low for you. And I would have thought Polly would have known better than to be fooled by such a transparent like. If Jackie would like to check our IP's, she may, since she has that authorization for her article comments. SClemmons could walk her through the process. I doubt you'll stick around for the results.

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    Paula 

    18 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    linda......Thank you so much for the revelation. I will give Jackie a head's up so she can begin to delete any & all of their comments & nonsense. Such morons.. just pathetic.

    If anything, this sort of sleazy behavior is only engaged in by low-life's guilty of something untoward. Certainly, such sneaky efforts to interact anonymously & intrude with harassment and insults, makes these desperate characters prove themselves con-artists and liars. They cannot be allowed to continue with such disgusting tactics. Whether or not Darin is involved or not, the people who are involved have proven themselves quite ignorant & clumsy. How disgraceful. They have no shame.

    linda...you're an Angel. Thank you.

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    lindaf3 

    18 months ago from Amsterdam, The Netherlands

    To all: Oliver Penwell Esquire , Bryan St John and SClemmons are one person. The Ip Adress is exactly the same!!!

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    lindaf3 

    18 months ago from Amsterdam, The Netherlands

    SClemmons

    3 days ago

    ""lindaf3

    I did not allow your most recent post on here. It's both off topic and inappropriate for the comment section on this Hub page.

    SLC""

    There was nothing innappropriate in my text. Only the truth, which SClemmons tries to hide.

    To Oliver: Kezzy/MForbes changed her profile because of the harrassment. She gets treads.. only because she doenst buy the ''overwhelming evidence against Darlie"" story. So shouldnt you! Read my ""Stage Efforts"" post below.. Arent you able to look through it??

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    Oliver Penwell Esquire 

    18 months ago from Tailgate party at Gatesville

    Funny, the behaviours SClemmons, myself, etc., are accused of seem to be the exact thing the accusers are doing. While not being scared off, I do find it counterproductive to continue in a battle of wits with the tragically unarmed.

    Good bye, and good luck with your fantasies.

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    lindaf3 

    18 months ago from Amsterdam, The Netherlands

    To add one more thing: the same goes for the JUSTICE FOR DEVON AND DAMON ROUTIER GROUP on Facebook. (made by Bryan St John)

    957 members. mayby 10 (!!!) of them discuss the case on regular basis..Anyone, who comes in there with doubts.. gets harrassed, attacked..

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    lindaf3 

    18 months ago from Amsterdam, The Netherlands

    MForbes said: ""Not sure he is going to read anything. I guess him and Everton and Bryan st John will be sending threat messages to us and our families now""

    Ofcourse ScLemmons isnt going to look into my ''Stage Efforts"" post from a few minutes ago... Its again about profiles bla bla bla...

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    lindaf3 

    18 months ago from Amsterdam, The Netherlands

    Exactly, the only thing they talk about is ''names'' ''accounts''.. This is only to make it look to others, that only one, mayby two people believe that Darin could be on it. SClemmons allowed a guy on his Hubpage named Everton, who stalked me and Kezzy (JO) day and night!!! We were harrassed by that man, who sended us death wish messages!! Who frustraded/blocked every single comment on Youtube of me and Kezzy. Just because we think that Darin Routier knows MUCH more! Everton made us look like racists.. Every comment he made was ""stop calling me and my family N*ggers"" which we NEVER said. This is how they try to hide the truth.. Harrass them, to make them go away. Well, we will not .

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    SClemmons 

    18 months ago from the Carolina Coast

    MForbes/Kezzy, I challenge you to provide a post from me that shows I ever accused Polly of being anyone or doing anything.

    I'm not personally attacking Darlie Routier, I don't even know her. I believe in the evidence that found her guilty.

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    lindaf3 

    18 months ago from Amsterdam, The Netherlands

    ScLemmons: The Evidence was presented in court the way THEY wanted to see it. Read my post below.

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    SClemmons 

    18 months ago from the Carolina Coast

    Paula, I'm apparently one of "those men" you you seem to be mentioning. I assure you Kezzy is alive and well and has reappeared under the name of MForbes, a tactic she's known well for engaging in.

    I've never claimed to be an expert on this case or know it "From A-Z." I have been following it since it made the national news in 1996 and I have done a great deal of research on the case, and I'm not referring to watching YouTube video's or reading one sided books.

    I believe in evidence, particularly forensic evidence. In this case it clearly points to Darlie Routier. The evidence was presented in a court of law and she was found not guilty. If you disagree with that, that's your right. But if you mention it and want to argue it, then you need to be able to provide solid proof of it not being true.

    Kezzy, does not do that. She comes up with unsubstantiated theories that she cannot prove. When you ask her to, she simply changes the subject and moves on to a new topic.

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    lindaf3 

    18 months ago from Amsterdam, The Netherlands

    This is the Evidence SC LEMMONS & OLIVER you are talking about?

    Staging Efforts:

    Stab boys...

    Get a sock and touch both bloody boys with it...

    Grab a bread knife (but make sure to wash hands first so the boys' blood isn't on it because that would be bad)....

    With sock in one hand and knife in the other, being careful not to get blood on the bread knife, open the gate and run 75 yards down the alley to plant the sock...

    Return home and shut pesky gate...

    Cut screen with bread knife from the outside...

    Go back in house any other way than the cut screen...

    Return the bread knife to the block...

    Take off underwear and hide them...

    Grab the butcher knife and cut throat...

    Stab her shoulder...

    Stab her arm.. Stab arm again just for good measure...

    Put abrasions all over her arms...

    Beat the crap out of her arms and hands to leave bruises...

    Cut fingers of left hand to mimic defensive wounds...

    Clean off the knife without using the sponge...

    Open up the cabinets under the sink but opt not to use any of the cleaners stored under there...

    Clean out the sink with just water...

    Return to living room and fling blood on wall behind couch...

    Fling blood on coffee table...

    Plant a bloody fingerprint on the table...

    Put on a pair of boots and walk behind the couch leaving bloody footprints...

    Hide those boots...

    Roll on the couch and blanket she was using...

    Put the pillow on the couch and lay there so the blood has a pattern consistent with someone laying there as blood from a neck wound ran down either side and landed on the pillow...

    Put the pillow on the floor...

    Knock over the lamp...

    Knock over the coffee table...

    Push the vacuum cleaner around the kitchen a few times...

    Lay the vacuum down in the kitchen once she's done...

    Plant blood on the towel drawer she never got towels out of...

    Run all over the downstairs depositing a bunch of towels...

    Stab Damon a second time when he gets to the entryway of the room...

    Smear her blood on the wall where Damon is now laying...

    Walk over to the area near the fireplace and leave a knife imprint on the carpet...

    Make sure she puts the knife on the kitchen floor so there is a knife imprint there as well should anyone look to find one...

    Plant a bloody fingerprint on the door...

    Put the knife on the counter...

    Break a glass just to make it look good...

    Pick up pieces of the glass and put them in the ice bucket on top of the wine rack...

    Call 911...

    Pretend like she cared in front of her husband...

    Act completely unconcerned when emergency personnel arrive...

    Damn... I'm tired....

    Oh, can't forget... clean the couch... Gotta clean the couch...

    And since I don't believe Bevel's theory about four miraculous or magnetic blood drops flying onto four previous spots of blood in a "separate event" then that must be included in her staging efforts. At some point, after the boys were stabbed and she injured herself, she removed her shirt, found the four drops of blood and then put four of her own drops of blood right on top of them and then put her shirt back on.

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    Paula 

    18 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Jackie....I have been on the sidelines just keeping up with what's being said on this thread. Haven't commented because I get so worked up, I know I need to wait until calming down before I try to convey my thoughts.

    I was going to include "kezzy" in my comment, but I was shocked to see HP claims "this user no longer exists." I hope she's ok and just signed off HP because she felt she had given her entire investigation of this case & has no more to add.

    I wouldn't blame her if she left out of frustration due to the few men who joined this discussion and all believe Darlie is 100% guilty, w/o a single doubt~& anyone who thinks otherwise is "delusional." It's apparent they did not take any one's comments seriously, that are filled with so many questions, doubts & investigative mistakes....They basically seem to dismiss it all since they feel they know the case from A to Z. Kezzy brought up so much! So many issues that can call for Darlie being granted her final appeal. Those men (who commented here) just won't even give anything kezzy brought up, a moment of attention.

    This is disturbing to me. I may add a comment to one of them (the guy with the white beard)....he seriously annoyed me with his attitude. These guys are waiting for an execution date. That is sickening.

    With all that has been written, rewritten, discussed, investigated and torn apart, I really do not see how anyone can be 100% sure of Darlie's guilt. I would give anything to be so sure and know in my heart the REAL truth.....but still, something nags at me and I keep hoping something busts this all wide open.

    I wonder if Darlie is allowed visitors or if they would allow her a complete stranger as a visitor, providing she would agree. Can you imagine.......crazy as it seems.....visiting her in prison? If I knew it was possible and I could talk with her for several hours, I swear I would seriously consider a trip to Texas! In fact, I wonder if Kezzy ever thought to do that? She knows every last detail and could probably have an incredible conversation with Darlie!.....sigh.....this will never be put to bed for some of us. Not even if they execute her. Paula

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    Oliver Penwell Esquire 

    18 months ago from Tailgate party at Gatesville

    I said no negligence? Please, I don't remember where I said this, could you refresh my memory? And I must apologize, I didn't know you were the expert on this case. I have never known what someone was doing at any given time when out of sight of others, but you do. I wish I had this superpower!

    SClemmons, I guess I should just give up researching and studying this case, as I will never have the perfect understanding of others, obviously. I will just have to go back to stalking the execution date, however one does that. I know how it is possible to stalk a person, but not a calendar date that hasn't been set. Hmmm, wanna help me out with that one?

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