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E-Cigarettes, Where There Is Smoke there is Fire. Here The Fire Not the Smoke.

Updated on June 8, 2014

Every breath we take should be as clean and pure as the air we believe we see here.

Did you know that for some people freezing cold air is deadly no matter how clean and fresh it is?
Did you know that for some people freezing cold air is deadly no matter how clean and fresh it is? | Source

Let us good people vote to ban bad people.

There is no accounting for tastes. Go figure, even this writer has folks that love him yet no one is compelled to do so. So why do some people love the smell of fresh asphalt and others love the smell of Narcissis flower while it makes others almost sick. We really do not know this area very well. We get the scent part as it is molecules, but the like and dislike portion of the equation is still a bit different. The author will never forget when investigating his third dead body, learning that that smell that was so nasty was actually decomposing flesh and tissue in the air. And so it was actually touching the nose lips, ears, eyes and lungs. YUK! The author always used a surgical mask on his next fourteen dead bodies he investigated. So let us investigate just what particles are in the air with second hand e-cigarette second hand vapors. Let us be skeptical. There is a whole industry that gets your public dollars to do research on such matters. If the dangers are not there, well there will be no more dollars there either. So researchers are pretty well motivated to come up with problems.

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There is no evidence that the exhale vapor even contain traces of nicotine.

Here we note that there has never ever been a study of scientific credibility even suggesting that second hand smoke causes a health problem. It is all correlation and not causation based. It is like “global warming” as opposed to “climate change”. The lifestyle that allows for second hand smoke in any serious degree is what is harmful. How many non-drinkers are in a bar where they smoke???, and do you really know someone who smokes inside their house still to this day?

Here are people who are supposed to be scientists addressing a study and reporting on it. If you have a background in the slightest in logic or science this will make you sick.

"If people want to smoke, they should go outdoors, away from other living things." (What in the heck does this have to do with science – of course people should smoke around living plants, in grassy areas with a breeze and flowers blooming --- this is from the supposed scientist)

"There's a biological plausibility that secondhand smoke could have an impact on these (“biological plausibility that ‘could’ is not at all science speak it is political fund raising stink speech)

reproductive outcomes not only during the reproductive years but throughout the lifetime

of a woman,"

"This is excellent ammunition for us to emphasize what we've known for a long time, but

now we've got data to support it," (this man should gain his PAC license and lose his medical license)Druzin, who was not involved in the study, told Reuters Health.

Now here is another comment by a researcher – well two comments and they are both just totally non scientific: “Knowing how much carcinogens stay in a room when someone has been smoking in it, I think it is possible that thirdhand smoke may increase one’s risk of cancer," Suzaynn Schick, an expert on the effects of tobacco at the University of California, San Francisco

“These tender young babies are mouthing and sucking on things that have carcinogens on them,” Schick said. There is also evidence, Schick said, that the toxins may be absorbed through skin. There is also evidence, Schick said, that the toxins may be absorbed through skin.

This boy's father has never let smoking enter this boy's home. Has turned out some who smell like smoke. But he will never act to ban the stuff.

The father treasures health but freedom even more.
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Should we take responsibility for ourselves and not try to impose our will on others.

Just look at the above wording. It is like an emotional political appeal. Let me repeat there is no study that proves second or third hand smoke and illness. End of damned story.

With all that said. Why in the hell would someone smoke a cigarette inside a house? That is just plain crazy with what we suspect. If you know someone in this day and age that would do that, you should not associate with such an antisocial person at all. If they have that blatant of a disregard for others what else are the capable of? Which begs another question. Where are these researchers getting their current data. Are they really finding houses/homes where cigarettes are being smoked in the same room as “tender babies”? For sure in California that would be child endangerment. And so they are just studying the endangerment instead of stopping it?

Now do not get this wrong. No one should smoke next to another. And no one should e smoke next to another. But scientifically there is no cause and effect no matter how many billions of dollars you pay these people to come up with it.

Do not wake up and smell the flowers. I wash mine off often. They smell great but do not go around the block smelling flowers. Please do not do that. The pollen, the car exhaust, just the dust is not good to stick your nose against and sniff. Really a bad idea.

So back to e cigarettes. Do not stand so close to someone that it bothers you. And do not stand so close to someone that your “vapor” might bother them. It is so 1+ 1 = 2.

So we must conclude it is about something else. People wanting to invade another person’s space.

Look at this closely. It means that some people want to use the law to curtail another person’s freedom. Rather than take a step back and let it be. It is like the firearm hater going into a shooting range and complaining about the noise. It is crazy. E-cigarettes are not so pervasive that one cannot gently move away from them. When I see an e smoker running down the street breathing out “vapor” on a poor 90 year old lady, I will personally whoop them. But otherwise this is a humiliation of crazy people inflicting their will on another.

There are studies of fisherman that show the damp salty air over time is hard on them and leads to illnesses.

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Unpopular truths.

This is not about harmful effects of vapors. This is about folks enforcing their agenda on others. Once upon a time the agenda was promoting slavery. At another time it was prohibition, and another time it was to capture Native Americans.

No, it is time to stop. “I do not like it so we should outlaw it” is a sick and too often repeated mantra. Nowadays we are seeing it with “religious fervor”. Outlaw the Gays, outlaw the Manger setting, Outlaw the Mosque and Outlaw the pickup truck, Outlaw abortion and Outlaw Marijuana. Holy cow!! Where does it end?

Outlaw guns? Well that will never happen. For many reasons. And many people want to do it. Another is outlawing the “keeping” of animals. And many people would be happy with that. We draw lines in the sand and that is good for society.

So there is a possibility that the air being breathed out from an inhale of e-cigarettes contains bad nicotine. And probably bad breath and most likely germs and bacteria, possibly even viruses. We should start by making a law that anyone with a sniffle must remain in their home. Anyone with halitosis must remain in their home. Oh wait, they cannot stay in their home because or second hand germ spreading. They have to remain in their yard and they must give notice to neighbors. These actions are just as viable as the vapor logic.

Yes we are humans and interacting with humans is filled with risk. This we know as a fact. People directly die from influenza, infections and other diseases spread casually between strangers. Let the e-cigarette issue remind you, that if you are in such close proximity to other people as to smell their breath. Possible second hand vapor nicotine is the least of what should concern you.


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    • Ericdierker profile imageAUTHOR

      Eric Dierker 

      4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Peace to my Rocky Mountain friend. Oh the days of skiing and hiking in your great mountains always bring a smile to my face in remembrance. So true it is more about the money. But for us it is more about the serenity so we are safe. For today at least ;-)

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      4 years ago from Rocky Mountains

      eric Hello bro. I gave much thought to the e cig. I was a smoker past tense thank you Lord 10 years but the desire to have something in my hand comes across me on occassion. Especially when I see the signs hanging up in 7 11. You can buy one or two. But for the grace of God I must pass. My personality type a would then get hooked on e cig. Exactly what the money people want. Get em hooked on that and nicorette gum. Of course on other hand if it saves a life from copd so one can stop smoking it is a good thing. Like the pot it is about money We r legal in Colo now. People are lined up to purchase and it is on back order. Colo is going to have to pay millions back in taxes cuz theres a limit to what they can take. Pot is too crazy to legalize. Get usa kids hooked on it. Why not makes lots of money Gives jobs to others. Bless you for writing this. Be on the watch. Its going to get allot crazier in the world.

      Thank you for writing such an informed article. Many Blessings bro. Love Skye

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    • Ericdierker profile imageAUTHOR

      Eric Dierker 

      4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      I think some "how to" writers and "personal beauty" writers and one or two who work for HP made the forums their own. I cannot quite grasp why they like the e-head and dislike those who stand up to that nonsense but it is what it is, and so I make that now their space. It is not really a forum, but HP does the hub stuff so right that I will just go with that flow.

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      John Hansen 

      4 years ago from Queensland Australia

      Sometimes someone has to become a martyr for a cause I guess Eric, and you did. I will make three separate comments and if the discussion is obviously wasted breath, as it is trying to talk to e-head, than I leave rather than upset everyone else involved in the forum.

    • Ericdierker profile imageAUTHOR

      Eric Dierker 

      4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      John, of course you are right with e-head. I do not mind the sparring. But the blue haired ladies complain and the person making the most real impact get banned. For some reason folks just look to banning things as opposed to handling them like you and I do.

      I do not think e-head has ever authored anything. And he uses avatar and does not even have a profile, so I likened him to the old KKK who wore masks while doing wrongful acts. It actually elevates a misdemeanor to a felony in most US states, for the history I cite. But that got me banned.

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      John Hansen 

      4 years ago from Queensland Australia

      Haha Eric, I love the farting analogy. You could have added the supermarket I just had a run in with an old sparring partner of yours ,encephaloidead, in one of the forums 'Good Reads'. He tried to force his views or his favorite book 'origin of the Species' down my throat, in just an innocent book review forum started by someone else. I had seen him try to promote the same views and attempt to start arguments in previous forums of yours. I told him to start his own thread instead of hijacking others, then if people want to have debate on that topic it is their free choice rather than trying to force it on them.

    • Ericdierker profile imageAUTHOR

      Eric Dierker 

      4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Prince, I gotta tell you, I have to give things up --- in order to stay alive.

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      Eric Dierker 

      4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Ah Foodee you bring back some very fond memories. Thank you for sharing that. One study I read had just studied people in the age bracket that would have been exposed in the fashion you describe. I just had to wonder how much DDT, Lead paint, car exhaust and asbestos they were also exposed to. And in my fun case, downwind exposure to the old nuclear testing in the Four Corner's region. And I survived!!! Whahooo!!

    • Ericdierker profile imageAUTHOR

      Eric Dierker 

      4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      John, it just struck me when writing this that, if I was around someone who was so uncaring as to do something like this to my discomfort I would probably just avoid them altogether or enforce my boundaries on them individually. It is like farting on a long hike in the woods versus in the front pew of a church.

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      The Frog Prince 

      4 years ago from Arlington, TX

      I smoked for decades and had to give it up. Choices are the purview of each of us.


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      4 years ago from Pennsylvania

      Eric, you kill me. I think its the left handed cigarettes you need to worry about. (Me laughing writing this) I understand imposing will on other all too well. I'm married!

      Maybe teaching people to make educated decisions might be the best route. Every day after school I would walk into the kitchen and see a blue cloud of smoke about 4 feet off the ground. My mom in one chair and my dad in the other puffing away. Granted this was in the late 70's but education would have been beneficial to my lungs. We had this white paneling in the hallway and each spring I had to help clean it. There was a black film that was a real bugger to get off. We had electric baseboard heat so it wasn't from a coal furnace. Just food for thought.

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      John Hansen 

      4 years ago from Queensland Australia

      Hey Eric, good advice about not trying to impose our will on others just because we don't like something. I can't really comment on e igarettes because I have never actually seen one and don't know anyone who smokes them. Maybe they just haven't caught on here yet. (We Aussies are sometimes a little slow at taking on world trends.) Everyone I know who smokes cigarettes does so outside now, so that's fine by me. Here it is illegal to do so in public buildings and in the car with children. there is no law against smoking inside a private dwelling but most are considerate enough not to do so. Anyway well done.

    • Ericdierker profile imageAUTHOR

      Eric Dierker 

      4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Bill I am on a crusade not to impose my will when driving. It is hard. In my life it is all baby steps. Thank you friend.

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      Bill Holland 

      4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      You never disappoint my friend. I am not a big fan of e-cigarettes, but I have bigger problems than that. I try to handle my own life and not impose my will on's a full-time job believe me.


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