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Erasing the History of the United States - It has gone from Covered Wagon Speed to Hypersonic Speed

Updated on May 31, 2017
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Ignore the in-my-face obvious issues and lend all of my attention to unwarranted, groundless issues? Not happening!

From Scripture to Crosses - From Statues to Flags to Remembrance Memorials.....

In the aftermath of the horrific attack on our Homeland, September 11, 2001, two steel beams in the form of a Cross, brought National attention.

It was a symbol for many working in the rubble to keep on going and a reminder, 'this too shall pass'. It served as a small beacon in an otherwise dark and bleak space.

When items for Display, for the 9/11 Memorial and Museum were being discussed, it was decided that these Crossed Beams (this Cross) would be included.

An Atheist group had a problem with this plan and they Filed a Lawsuit in opposition to it becoming a part of the 9/11 Memorial and Museum.

A panel of Judges decided that it was considered an Historical Artifact, (not a Cross, not a Christian symbol) and so it would be treated as such and could be included.

I've been reflecting on the series of events which had to take place for this 'symbol', which inspired so many during a very dark and discouraging period of our lives, to be included.

It had to be labeled Historic, in order to become a part of the Memorial and Museum.

Is it safe, can it withstand present day, progressive antagonists?

I don't know.

One Visitor, among Millions, may witness it on the site and become deeply offended and then that Rough and Rugged Cross will be back in Court...Its 'Historic Artifact' labeling will not be able to Save it.

Isn't that how it works in present day America. Look, Seek, Find... something, anything...that Offends, so that he/she that has taken offense, might make it disappear for eternity, making them happy...at least until their next Outing?




Great Generals, Memorials and Reminders

When the Statue of Robert E. Lee came down recently in New Orleans, I was in disbelief. Throughout my school years, I frequently heard him described as one of the greatest Generals in our History.

Lee was asked by Lincoln to lead the Union Army, but Lee was a Virginian and in the 1800s, that truly meant something. There was much Pride taken in One's State. In addition to Virginia being his beloved home, he had family scattered throughout the State. He could not fight against his State (the equivalent of how we see our Country) nor against his own blood.

He was not a Slave Owner, he loathed the concept, in fact, he inherited slaves and freed them, unlike his Counterpart to the North, Ulysses S. Grant.

Yes Northerners held slaves too. Will Grant's Statue come down?

Lee's Statue should have never been removed and then to add Insult to Injury... relocated to a warehouse and Grant's should not come down either.

Another Statue on the chopping block is a Confederate Soldier, 'Johnny Reb ', it has stood in Orlando, Florida for over 100 years, but Johnny is suddenly offensive.

The Statue has stood in Memoriam to Fallen Confederate Soldiers. So many young men fought and died, some as young as 17, were drafted to fight for the Southern States. What do you think a 17 year old knew of Politics or of what was really taking place? They fought for their land and for their families.

I'll not defend Slavery, it was an ugly part of our Past, but removing Statues, will not Delete the Fact that it happened and that many Americans died. Many Cities were completely destroyed.

Our children deserve to hear of our History; the Good, the Bad and the Ugly.

It should Never be Revised or eliminated altogether.

If Offense is taken in crossed beams or in a Statue that has stood for over 100 years, what next?

Atop Washington's Monument, on one of the four sides, are the words 'Laus Deo' meaning Praise God. From this particular side of the Monument, the view Proposed and then eventually created; the White House to the North, Jefferson Memorial to the South and the Lincoln Memorial to the West, form a perfect Cross. Present day, I'm hearing more often, the Cross was completely by accident. Okay, what about the 'Praise God' part, was it by accident too? Was it by accident that 'Praise God' is on one of four sides, the side which happens to have the view of the cross?

How will that be omitted from History...with spackling and paint?

Two Hundred Memorial Stones (many of the stones including Scripture) aren't by accident, they are an integral part of the very special Washington Monument.

From the torch lifted high, a beacon for Immigrants to the broken shackles at her feet, representing the overthrow of Tyranny, she Stands. Will she always Stand?

God forbid, but I'd not be surprised, because we've allowed this insanity to fester, while we've looked the other way.

The Statue of Liberty no longer Stands on solid ground! The ground beneath her is very shaky.

It's Just a Flag

We think to ourselves, it's just one Bench, it's just one cross among many, it is just one Statue.....the Statue of Robert E. Lee was the fourth and Final to be removed from the Center of Lee Circle, Downtown New Orleans.

I was there just a few short years ago, if I had known then what I know now, I'd have taken more pictures, in order to document our History which is so quickly being Erased.

I will not have those to share with my Grandchildren, but I have Memories and I am Documenting.

Additionally....(I am so grateful that my Mom and Dad bought a Library of books, just to get rid of those annoying Salesmen that used to knock on doors)

I didn't back then, but I cherish them now! I will pass them along and depending on many Factors, they'll either be cherished or sought out for destruction.

I understand that the Democratic Mayor of New Orleans, plans to display the American Flag at the newly naked location, has he not been paying attention?

Many Anti-Colonialists have no Respect for our Flag either, it doesn't make them swell with pride, it only Offends and they are currently in Revival!

I wonder how long It will Wave, before that Circle finds itself empty again!

Care to make a wager? I'd much prefer your acknowledgement.

God Bless America!

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      abwilliams 4 days ago from Central Florida

      A time capsule has been found within the Statue of the Confederate Soldier, which was removed and dismantled in Orlando, FL, several days ago.

      We do not yet know what is in the time capsule, for it has not been opened.

      Suddenly, there is deep concern about properly preserving.....History!!!

      The City realizes that this is a very delicate matter and so they are taking their time.

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      abwilliams 6 days ago from Central Florida

      Thanks Ed and...yes, might as well throw Patriotism into their basket of deplorables.

      It can take its place among all of those things, which this mindset seems to want go the way of the covered wagon.

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      abwilliams 6 days ago from Central Florida

      There's a couple of things taking place.

      While some are on a roll, making statues and memorials disappear, with their sites on the remaining ones (well...those they do not like and do not think should exist)

      As they seek to erase our History, others want all mentions of God erased, as well.

      God is mentioned multiple times by our Founders. God was an integral part of their lives and of our founding, when you really delve into it, there are no doubts. But yet, Today, the few that have a problem with that Truth, are calling all the shots, in seeing to it, that God is eliminated.

      While our Founders did not want an established Church, as was the case with the Church of England, I don't believe they imagined the day when people would be offended at the site of the cross.

      While I can see folks having a problem with a cross atop Federal Buildings; theWhitehouse, the Capitol Building, etc., it is a far stretch using the 1st Amendment to have crosses removed from Cities and Towns across the land. Whatever happened to State's Rights? Letting States decide?

      We've now had a cross targeted, which has stood in St. Petersburg, FL for 75 years.

      Four people were offended and they not only want a monetary settlement, they want the Statue to come down.

      It is coming down...it was just decided.

      I have a question for those so easily offended...would moving this cross from a Park and next door or across the street to a Church Building, where it will still be seen, lessen your offense?

      When will Church Buildings with crosses become your target? When all others have been taken down?

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      ahorseback 6 days ago

      We were lucky as kids , we grew up before the "change " , we took the opportunity and learned real history , before the Marxist activists coming out of the sixties and seventies decided to actually alter the teaching methodology in the United States , I was intelligent enough to watch it happening then and see it's results today , We are not teaching our children anything positive about history , only the negative , guilt cause , apologizing revisionist , B.S of Maoist , Chompskyism , Alinskyism , I hate to say this but our kids , young adults and EVEN not so young adults are incredibly dumbed down to US . reality , history good or bad .

      Great article !

      Patriotism is actually a dirty word?

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      abwilliams 8 days ago from Central Florida

      The Memorial to Fallen Confederate Soldiers is coming down today in Orlando, Florida.

      1911-6/20/2017.

      There is an amazing sculpture which measure 3 Acres, larger than a football field. It is located in Stone Mountain, GA.

      I recommend you see it with your family this Summer.

      I plan to go back, before it is blown to smithereens.

      See it at night, there's an amazing and moving Patriotic performance which takes place (depending on weather)

      The sculpture is of 3 men on horseback. The Problem for those targeting it......these 3 men hail from the South and nothing else matters!

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      Ronnie wrenchBiscuit 3 weeks ago

      I'm sure I will have an opinion. Let it rock!

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      abwilliams 3 weeks ago from Central Florida

      Also, since you've mentioned my next hub, I am working on it:

      It will be Titled, 'The Church of Algore' or something similar.

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      abwilliams 3 weeks ago from Central Florida

      You've intentionally overlooked or dismissed the gist of this hub and.....all of my Noteworthy points (insert LOL here)

      but, I'll take the compliment.

      Happy weekend!

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      Ronnie wrenchBiscuit 3 weeks ago

      Have you ever seen a statue of Clara Barton(founder of Red Cross) anywhere? Henry David Thoreau? John Brown? Smedley Darlington Butler? (most decorated WWI marine commander at the time of his death who later stood against the Capitalists and the U.S. war machine.} I have never seen a memorial or statue erected in honor of any of these great people. If they do exist they are very few in number. And I picked these examples because they were all white Americans who sacrificed and made great contributions to society. But a great majority of the statues across the nation glorify war and destruction, whether it be the Confederacy or the Union.

      I grew up in the Midwest near the Mason-Dixon line. I know first hand how evil these Southern sympathizers can be. Furthermore, I fail to see what a Muslim Terrorist has to do with it. To my knowledge there are no statues anywhere in the United States that honor Musilm Terrorists. No one is burning books or preventing us from reading about American History. American History is freely available online from a variety of perspectives. It appears that the only thing disappearing is a public glorification of evil.

      The tearing down of these statues obviously gives you a bad feeling. Perhaps it is anger, or perhaps it is frustration. Whatever it is, you do not like what is happening. And so, I ask you to take that feeling and place yourself in the shoes of an Indigenous person, or a black American. Black Americans have little connection to their African heritage due to slavery. Many do not even know what part of Africa their ancestors came from. The connection to their past has been completely severed. Now some will inform that they also have no connection to their Irish or German heritage. But the difference here is that somewhere along the line an Irish or German ancestor willingly decided to let go of their European heritage , whereas the African slave was given no choice in the matter.

      The Indigenous fare better in this respect, but our history is not to be found glorified as freely as the Confederacy or the Union. And there was a time around the turn of the 20th century when Indigenous children were forced to attend "Indian Schools" and forbidden to speak their native languages, or to observe their native customs. Any native child caught doing so would be severely reprimanded, and often beaten by their white overseers. This was a deliberate attempt by the U.S. government to destroy Indigenous culture and to assimilate what was left of our people into the white mainstream. The bitterness that you now taste is just a small taste of what I have known my entire life. Thank you for at least considering my commentary. I will trouble you no more on this thread. Regardless, of your perspective, I recognize that you are a good writer. I will anxiously be awaiting your next Hub.

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      abwilliams 3 weeks ago from Central Florida

      We agree, everyone involved in the slave trade was despicable!

      In the meantime, a statue of a Confederate Soldier which has stood for over 100 years will be coming down(may have come down during the night) in Orlando Florida, due to the following {reason}:

      A radicalized-Islamic-terrorist-of-Afghan-decent entered a gay nightclub in the same city and murdered 49 innocent people.

      But, good luck finding those details anywhere....instead.....you'll find the 'find something else, anyone else or anything else to blame crowd'.

      AHA......the old statue that stands in the same city where the Pulse massacre happened.

      This has to be the craziest, mind-blowing Action that I've ever witnessed come out of the Progressive, P.C. , live to be offended world.

      I digress!

      I do not champion remnants of the South.....I champion salvaging ALL U.S.History in ALL its various forms.

      .Now as Paul Harvey used to say, Good day!

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      Ronnie wrenchBiscuit 3 weeks ago

      You don't know what I was exposed to because I never gave you the whole story. That would require a complete essay of probably 2,000 words. I gave you a snapshot, and from that you formed an opinion. You champion remnants of the south, yet I never accused you of hating all people of color.However, here you come saying I think all white people are bad when I have never made such a ridiculous statement in my entire life!

      Perhaps you believe in the one drop rule but I don't. I am just as much a white man as I am Indigenous. I don't hate myself nor my white German mother. The bad people were the ones who fought to preserve the institution of slavery. And most of those bad people happened to be white Americans of European descent. The only difference between men like Columbus, Andrew Jackson, Robert E Lee, and Adolf Hitler is time and geography. The overall goal was the same: To increase the prosperity of the white race at the expense of all others. I fail to understand why you would think someone could meet you half way concerning these kinds of men. It's not the color of their skin that matters so much, but their thoughts and their actions, and the misery they brought into this world. There is no halfway point because there is no place for such men in a civilized world.

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      abwilliams 3 weeks ago from Central Florida

      You talk of being a student of History and wiping it out simultaneously.

      I don't know that I'd call what you were exposed to, home schooling. You're convinced that only white people do bad, don't even know why you take any time with the likes of me.

      I'll never get you to consider what I am saying, when you're not even willing to meet me a part of the way.

      Take Care Ronnie.

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      Ronnie wrenchBiscuit 3 weeks ago

      It doesn't matter if the whole world was involved in the slave trade. My parents taught me to deal with this argument before I had reached the age of puberty. The Arabs, the Africans, and the Indigenous,did not create the demand for slaves on this continent. White Europeans created the demand and ultimately controlled the destiny of the United States. That is indisputable. Consequently, it is the demand created by the European that fueled the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. The fact that others exploited the institution of slavery does not mitigate the primary role of the European. Furthermore, two wrongs will never make a right. Knowing that a relatively handful of Arabs and Africans participated in the slave trade doesn't make a white southern slaveholder any less repugnant. Nor does it make the defenders of Dixie any less treasonous.

      My parents were Civil Rights activists, and so you are at an extreme disadvantage. I was home schooled on these topics from a very early age. Your argument that Africans participated in the slave trade is popular propaganda, and only a half-truth. The other half of the story is that European provocateurs incited violence between various tribes and offered incentives to various tribal chiefs to provide them with slaves. Concerning the Indigenous owning slaves: Among the Aniyunwiya, the tribal members who owned slaves were usually half white like myself. They were traitors, and just as despicable as the white southerners. In fact, even moreso!

      Concerning Google: My parents would often take me to the public library on the weekends at my request, as I often found playing mindless games with my peers was boring, and a grand waste of my time. Before my freshman year in High School I had read works by Henry David Thoreau, W.E.B DuBois, Emma Goldman, Frederick Douglas, and others. I had also studied the history of men like Columbus, Tecumseh, and Goyathlay. What I find on Google is no different than what I found at the library, except for the fact that it is easier to navigate, and Google provides access to even more information.

      I am an empath, but even I cannot look at a statue and suddenly be imbued with every historical detail. You are suggesting that a mere statue has the power to inform above and beyond what can be learned in the classroom. That is quite remarkable. If we want to understand history we must study history. And that involves reading and research. A statue only presents an image and glorifies what that image represents. These statues are coming down not to hide the history, but to end the glorification of evil. People like me have been fighting the public school system for many years demanding that the truth about American History be taught in our schools. We want the world to know the crimes against humanity that have been committed here, and that they should never be forgotten. Negativity is the preservation of evil. Positivity is the utter destruction of evil.

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      abwilliams 4 weeks ago from Central Florida

      Thank you Ed, appreciated!

      Wrench - we've been through this.... yes it was horrible and there were horrible people involved in the slave trade. Did you know that whites weren't the only ones to own slaves? Native Americans owned slaves and blacks owned other blacks, in fact, most slaves brought to America from Africa were bought from African slave owners. Arabs were involved....Don't take my word for it, do your homework (that doesn't mean Google)

      Have you ever studied the history of Frederick Douglas? Fascinating man.

      My husband and I enjoy visiting old cemeteries and reading the headstones and markers. We'll seek out historic markers and plaques to read about events or battles which took place right there or nearby. We visit old forts and battlefields.

      My point from the very first sentence of this hub.....if we allow one of this and two of that and so on to be removed, a foot is in the door, a window is open.....for removal of more and more, until all is gone and forgotten.

      We need these tangible things to remind us or to show us things we never knew about...things we may have never learned.

      I'm not comfortable with leaving that task solely up to the Public School system alone, are you?

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      Ronnie wrenchBiscuit 4 weeks ago

      This has nothing to do with political correctness. The classroom is the place to learn about history. They teach about Hitler in the classroom but we don't have statues here, nor in Germany that glorify Adolf Hitler. And there is nothing heroic about men who fought to preserve the institution of slavery. It was the furor over the Dred Scott decision, the growing abolitionist movement, and John Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry that ultimately led to Southern succession. These were lazy and greedy people who would have continued the institution of slavery as long as they were allowed. John Brown was a true hero. Yet we don't see many statues honoring John Brown.

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      ahorseback 4 weeks ago

      Great hubs AB, You know , whats going on is atrocious , And here's the thing , I've lived and worked in the south , I grew up in the north and have seen the innocent and not so innocent prejudices of both , I have even been asked "why did you moved south " in not such nice ways . Yet , I've seen the northern bias too. But to deny the heritage , history of both worlds north &south is just wrong . The civil war was entirely tragic for both sides , fact.---- Of all the deaths from that war most were from sickness' Does that mean we will hide the advances , the statues and pride in studies of medicines relating to death in the the civil wars , No ! This political correctness of the left has to stop or we will all forget the history ---of course those who tear down the monuments to hero's neever learned them to begin with . Great write !........Ed

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      abwilliams 4 weeks ago from Central Florida

      I don't think you're a bad guy, you just need to lose that very large chip on your shoulder, it is stealing your Joy.

      Good luck with the album.

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      Ronnie wrenchBiscuit 4 weeks ago

      You make many assumptions based on very few words, and hardly any knowledge of the subject, which happens to be me. I do not use the English language in the same manner as you. This is where the disconnect occurs. In other words, if someone commented, "I am a Fireman", I might begin my reply with "I suspect you are familiar with fighting fires".

      This is simply a manner of speaking and combining mental images into a stream, or pattern of thought. I also include humor in my posts, but rarely do I signify humor by posting a "LOL!" with the comment. Consequently, many take me seriously when I am simply having fun. My reasoning is that I am usually annoyed by the "laugh tracks" they include on T.V. sitcoms, and so I don't care to add a laugh track to my commentary. No, I'm not using this Hub to continue my diatribe. I do that all over the internet, and I am both hated and loved in many circles.

      But it is no joke that I like women. I have been sitting in a recording studio for 3 weeks trying to finish an album. I am totally bored. Taking a break I saw your article, read it, and disagreed with the overall gist of it. If you had been a man, I may have responded, but often I don't because men don't interest me that much. I prefer arguing with women and conversing with women in general. I like debating with you, and I also enjoy debating with Paula. If that makes me a bad guy then I am guilty as charged. The one thing you didn't figure on was the fact that I like your company.

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      abwilliams 4 weeks ago from Central Florida

      If you were actually reading any of my comments.....you'd know good and well that I have a family!

      You don't care what I had to say about them, you are just using this hub to continue your never-ending diatribe. You don't care to understand how others see things, you don't want to know of other's struggles and tribulations, you've no desire to work through with Reason. You can't see the forest for the trees, you just rage on.

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      Ronnie wrenchBiscuit 4 weeks ago

      What you both define as hate I define as self-defense. What you define as negativity I define as a positive outlook that can restore my people and rebuild a great civilization.

      I have an obligation, not only to people of color, but to the memory of my parents who suffered racism and great abuse during their lifetime. I know that Paula has a family. I suspect abwilliams does also. Perhaps if someone, or some institution harmed a member of your family you would be ready and willing to forgive. You say that I am filled with hate, but I grew up knowing only the deepest love of my father and mother. The mistreatment of my parents is a line that should have never been crossed. I have no desire to forgive what I cannot forget. I and millions of others are happy that many of these monuments to Manifest Destiny are being brought down. And what both of you don't seem to understand is that it is not love that brought these statues down, but only the hatred of evil. Love makes us feel good, but love often makes us impotent, and acts like an opiate. It is only hate, a deep hatred of evil, that spurs us to action.

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      abwilliams 4 weeks ago from Central Florida

      My grandbabies are a Mix too... of all things beautiful! I can't imagine them any other way!

      I probably came down too hard on Wrench, but he takes it too far sometimes.....Wrench I apologize ((but only for getting angry, I could apologize for every mean or ugly thing that has ever been done by one person toward another throughout history, but that would not change History!))

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      Paula 4 weeks ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      a.b. Thank you. I hear you clearly. I too have a problem with continual negativity, as well as constant anger & bitterness carried for centuries! It is only destructive. Those of us in the world today are in no way responsible for past sins of our forefathers. Whether speaking of black, brown, yellow or red skin. Perhaps anger should be directed at those who were actually responsible and the government of a country. But the common folks must not be hated for generations.

      My entire family & closest of associates are loving. There is not a racist or bigot in the bunch. We are of every ethnicity you can think of and feel all are equal. My circle is of every single color!

      I wanted Ronnie to know that in my world, the Native Americans are highly respected & integrated with every walk of life. No one in our life sees a "difference" nor feels superior to anyone. If anything, the Native people have surpassed the white man in wealth, recognition and honor. Thus, it is not the same everywhere. Racism can be non-existent when communities rise above. The world itself still has far to go but it CAN be a reality.

      Ronnie's bitterness has made him vengeful and this is sad. I can understand but cannot condone it.

      In my family alone, there are 7 mixed-race marriages with beautiful Bi-racial children, Native American, Japanese, Hispanic & Dominique. There is no room in our lives for racism & surely NO hatred. I try to be tolerant of those who refuse to let go of the past. They obstruct their own happiness & peace of mind. I find it sad.

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      abwilliams 4 weeks ago from Central Florida

      I have no problem with anyone taking all the space they need, if it's informative or humorous or if it adds to the conversation.

      I appreciate all that take the time to comment.

      Paula, I too look forward to reading your hub on Area Reservations.

      I do have a problem with those (Wrench) that only respond negatively to anything and everything I write. I have a big problem with your 'all white people bad, all others good' diatribes (Wrench) We all know that there are good and bad in all races, from all walks of life in all societies, tribes, etc. You would not be able to get away with your remarks in describing any other group of people.

      I wasn't brought up to hate, my children were not brought up to hate. I don't know if you were brought up this way (Wrench) or if you choose to hate all on your own.

      As offended as I am with just about everything you write, I'll not run to Teacher to report you, that's not me, but I may deny your comments from time to time, as I've done in the past.

      People need to read the things you write, in fact, it is imperative that they do.

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      Ronnie wrenchBiscuit 4 weeks ago

      That is good to know. You are talking about the Onondaga, Seneca, Cayuga, and Oneida, or perhaps the Mohawk at St. Regis. The Haudenosuanee are a great people. I used to live in Syracuse and have worked for the Oneida and Onondaga. In fact, I was in Syracuse when Dennis Banks was given asylum on the Onondaga reservation. I'll look forward to reading your hub.

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      Paula 4 weeks ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Ronnie....My response to your question would take more space than I feel I should utilize on a.b's thread & basically off-topic from her hub....we got a little sidetracked. I'll try to be brief.

      The area where we live is a grouping of small towns, villages & hamlets, mixed with a few small cities.....it consists of both urban and many square miles of rural countryside. Around ALL of that are 4 Indian reservations of the Iroquois Nation.

      WE are an entire population of Red & white~~my children went to school with, played sports with, associated & socialized with Native Americans, as well as whites.

      Here, in this neck of the woods, the N.A's are the wealthy. Their children are Honor students and idolized athletes. who drive their own Lexus to school. All the schools in the district have established Title 4 programs that teach Native American HISTORY, culture & language.

      I can't make a firm promise at this point, due to my insane schedule, but asap I intend to create a hub on our area's reservations. I hope this helps you see that my sons are well-educated with the truth, as taught by the native people.

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      Setank Setunk 4 weeks ago

      Nice rally Ronnie. Your determination and thick skin lend much credibility to your perspective.

      Clueless,,,, really Paula? Your responses to my comments are misaligned.

      abwilliams: the use of the word perspective as a viewpoint is a modern spin off of the original use of perspective. This is were things went awry. I was using perspective in the sense of interpretive design, revision as you call it.

      And no Paula, I am not accusing abw of anything. I am pointing out that we are using two variations on the word perspective, and both are correct.

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      abwilliams 4 weeks ago from Central Florida

      Most definitely Paula!

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      Ronnie wrenchBiscuit 4 weeks ago

      Paula, My mother is German. And so I am curious. Did you encourage your sons to honor a past that dis-honored the Indigenous and and all people of color? I am a believer in education, and that history should be told as it really happened. However, these statues and monuments do not tell the details of history, but instead glorify the past unconditionally.

      And there is a great irony here as well. White Americans are big on telling people of color to get over the past and move on. "That happened over a hundred years ago, 500 years ago! Forget about it already!" However, we see a double standard now with people trying to preserve the past through statues and monuments that glorify the Confederacy. It appears that from a different perspective they are not able to let go of the past either. Columbus Day and Thanksgiving are two more examples of a past that white Americans can't seem to let go of. And if that's not bad enough, every time we pull out our wallet we are confronted with the image of a slaveholder and a tyrant.

      To them I say "You go first!" Let us continue to study history, but get rid of all of your monuments and holidays that glorify Manifest Destiny and I will bury the pain of 500 years along with those monuments.

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      Paula 4 weeks ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      I am NO part Native American by birth or blood. However, I "think" giving birth to 2 awesome sons along with my 100% Native American husband, should qualify me as "Honorary??" LOL

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      abwilliams 4 weeks ago from Central Florida

      .....and Setank, "scorn" seriously?

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      abwilliams 4 weeks ago from Central Florida

      It is a shame that happened to you. It is a shame that there is so much hate in this World, it is a shame that a bus filled with Coptic Christians was blown up, because of their beliefs or that innocent teenagers were blown up at a concert because it was pre-determined that they were to be made an example of......

      There is Evil in this world, always has been and always will be, it takes on many faces, in many forms and is the real enemy of all.

      I wish that we could erase all evil from the face of the earth.

      Instead too many people are focused on erasing God from the face of the earth.

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      Ronnie wrenchBiscuit 4 weeks ago

      Setank Setunk,

      When I was 6 years old a white woman hurled a racial epithet at me, spat at me, and violently pushed me in a sewage ditch. That was because I was walking down the street with my friend who happened to be her son. This was only one of many violent incidents I experienced first hand simply for the crime of being born. But I am not looking for sympathy. I am making a point.

      The point is that my responses hardly compare to the real world attacks and ridicule based on race that continue to this very day. Two men were just killed in Portland Oregon for trying to protect a Muslim woman who was being harassed by a white supremacist. Both of the victims appear to be white men. My rhetoric is not aimed at the white race in general. My enemies are the racist element that refuse to accept our humanity, and expect us to glorify a past that destroyed our civilization. After over 500 years, many of us are getting very tired of this.

      I express my opinion and share my perspective here on Hubpages. The woman who wrote this essay gave her expression based on her experience and her perspective which is far removed from my own. I am not trying to tell her what, or how to think. I don't attempt to moderate, or tell others how they should proceed with their commentary. I simply take the liberty to express my thoughts as well. The killing begins when people stop talking. It is better that we communicate our true feelings.

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      abwilliams 4 weeks ago from Central Florida

      Paula I guess we were both typing at the same time.

      We've aptly expressed 'perspective'.

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      abwilliams 4 weeks ago from Central Florida

      I guess it is a lot like the News of the day. One must utilize their God-given common sense to decipher what is real News and what is fake News.

      I apologize Setank if I failed to grasp what your intentions were. I do appreciate your commentary.

      Perspective is defined as a viewpoint. Documented History is what it is, it is not what one makes it, if that occurs then it becomes Revised History.

      Wrench I too have Native American blood running through my veins, as well as Irish blood, but I am just One Proud American.

      If you had any pride in your Homeland, you'd not constantly tear her down, as you do.

      I enjoy debate and discussion, but you come in like a kamikaze, leaving no room for either.

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      Paula 4 weeks ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Setank....If you are truly clueless of "what" was critical of Ronnie and his comment which you wrote only moments before, I suggest you study our English vocabulary & meanings. More importantly, an attitude adjustment may be in order.

      BTW, should you ever find yourself the defendant of a criminal trial, never make the fatal mistake of testifying in your own defense. Even my 3 yr old grandson could not buy your sad attempt at declaring innocence & feigned confusion over what you said.

      You address Ronnie now to inform him of what you "would have suggested....." Funny thing, Setank....I see nowhere that Ronnie asked you for a critique. Focus on YOUR work & attitudes. The rest of us are overqualified to tend to our own work.

      You've written one hub. Unimpressive. If you believe you have enough time to wander our site to CRITICIZE the work of fellow-writers, make better use of your time and WRITE something useful, interesting, educational or entertaining. That may be appreciated as opposed to unwelcome. I trust I have clarified this issue for you.

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      Setank Setunk 4 weeks ago

      Ouch thrice. What did I say that was critical of the article? Was it just the word perspective? I did not challenge anything in the article but did in fact support a specific point to show common appreciation.

      Ronnie; I would have suggested that you tone down your responses so they do not come off as attacks or ridicule, but I too have incurred Paula and abw's scorn.

      abwilliams; I have 5 decades just as you do and have studied History tirelessly since I was in 4th Grade. Yet I still do not understand how variations on, or deviations in historical perspective suppose a challenge to what you know and understand. I don't know how I mucked (letter 'f' implied) this up so bad, I was hoping to help generate a long stream of positive feed back: I am a worm.

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      Ronnie wrenchBiscuit 4 weeks ago

      That is a common question, and easy to answer. This is the land of my ancestors and this is where I belong. We are at present reclaiming our heritage, our language, and our dignity. And that includes de-colonizing the minds of our people. We are recovering from 500+ years of genocide. Ultimately we will re-claim the entire continent. We will never bow down to colonialism. The European has sorely underestimated our stamina and our resolve.

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      abwilliams 4 weeks ago from Central Florida

      So true Paula!

      Setank, I was in agreement with you and then came the sentence, which Paula called you out on. Honestly, it was difficult for me to get past that, to read on.

      I don't just throw out thoughts and feelings, I am not sharing my perspective. I do my homework with every article I write. Not only have I continually learned our History, since school days, I've personally witnessed 50+ decades of it. Along will come a young whippersnapper​ that knows everything about everything (and doesn't know squat) telling me that I didn't see what I saw, I didn't hear what I heard and I don't know what I know. Not saying you're that person, just sharing my experience.

      I may have you pegged wrong.

      Wrench, I don't know what else to say to you, except, why are you still here?

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      Paula 4 weeks ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Setank.....Excuse me? Much of History may be written/reported from the author's/editor's PERSPECTIVE....which of course creates a need to know who & from whence the author/editor is.

      Actual "authentic" History as in reality, truth, available first-hand accounts & Historical records & documentation leaves no room for "perspective!" Your feeble rebuttal is shocking, nonetheless you are as entitled as anyone else to state your opinion.

      I surely don't relish such historical facts, but I also don't read Fairy Tales and Fantasy at my age.

      I do agree 100% with your description of Liberalism & it's pure evil.

      Perhaps you can see your way through to write an article on your view of things to share with our fellow writers, rather than merely criticize the work of others so harshly. We need more prolific writers here and fewer self-appointed critics ( or those who believe they know so much more than others, but don't offer their knowledge in educational print form)

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      Ronnie wrenchBiscuit 4 weeks ago

      Setank Setunk, You obviously are not a student of history, as what I have stated is quite factual and easy to verify. It appears you are troubled by the truth.

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      Setank Setunk 4 weeks ago

      Ronnie; Those lies feed the ignorance, intolerance and hatred of self-righteous Progressives. It is not as much about your distorted or misguided "facts" as it is about the general vitriol in your comment. I feel sorry for you.

      abwilliams; I share your lament while reminding you that history is all about perspective. Cultures are translative and there fore subject to periodic upheaval or purging. As you may, I look upon Lee as a a great defender of liberty against the forces for absolute Federal Supremacy. Ignoring the evil of Liberalism today which indoctrinates through ignorance and suppresses free thought, there are many who reasonably disagree with my perspective. Perhaps this purge overdue.

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      abwilliams 4 weeks ago from Central Florida

      No, I'll allow it!

      You've just placed a Bold Exclamation Mark!

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      Ronnie wrenchBiscuit 4 weeks ago

      The statues have nothing to do with historical revision. The public school system has never taught the real history of the United States and America. In grammar school or High School I was never taught the following:

      1. Columbus and his men raped, tortured, enslaved, and committed genocide against the Taino people. Columbus even procured 9 year old native girls to satisfy the perverted lust of his motley crew.

      2. Thomas Jefferson was a pedophile and began raping the slave girl Sally Hemings from around the age of 12.

      3. Smallpox was used as a biological weapon against the Indigenous, and was purposely "seeded" in native communities.

      4. Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment: An experiment conducted between 1932 and 1972 by the U.S. Public Health Service on black men "without" their knowledge. They were secretly injected with syphilis and then observed over a period of years.

      5. The Devils Punchbowl: Over 20,000 freed slaves died of smallpox and starvation when they were forced into a concentration camp by Union Soldiers during the Civil War and not allowed to leave.

      These are just a very few historical facts that are still not taught in the public school system to any great degree. Consequently, your argument that children have a right to know history is either disingenuous or simply based on your own lack of education. Statues and flags don't tell us anything about history anyway. Concerning Robert E Lee. It doesn't matter if he believed in slavery or not. He fought to preserve the institution of slavery and should have been hanged. John Brown fought to abolish slavery and he "was" hanged.

      You probably won't post this because the truth doesn't fit your narrative. But in the end, all of these evil monuments and flags that glorify Manifest Destiny will be torn down and destroyed. That includes the Statue of Liberty, the Washington Monument, and Mt. Rushmore.

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