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Family Values in a Red State

Updated on January 5, 2010
Missouri Family Values Men
Missouri Family Values Men

6 Relatives Charged with Abuse and a Community is Divided

Jokes about incest in the rural south have been stock in trade for stand-up comedians for years. No doubt the extent of this "tradition" has been exaggerated. I can recall a joke that circulated when I was in high school in Louisiana involving the definition of a "family man" which I won't repeat here. Suffice it to say that a group of Missouri family men appear to fit the definition to a T according to a recent investigation in Bates City, Missouri, which reveals that incest and bestiality may still be alive and well in this red state.

For the past week authorities have been excavating the yard around an old farmhouse in search of evidence of sex crimes against children after a 26-year-old woman went to the police in nearby Independence, home of Harry and Bess Truman, and accused her grandfather, Burrell E. Mohler, Sr., her father and three uncles of sexually abusing her and her five sibilings for seven years. She cited mock weddings, sex acts involving children, rape and an unspecified sex act involving an animal. Some in the community have questioned the reliability of the woman's accusations which are based on repressed memories. However, authorities say some of her claims have been confirmed by physicial evidence and testimony by her sisters and brothers.

The woman's grandfather, Mohler, Sr., has been charged with forcible rape and the use of a child in a sexual performance. His sons, Burrell E. Mohler, Jr., 53, Jared L. Mohler, 48, Roland N. Mohler, 47, and David A. Mohler, 52, were also charged with various felonies including rape. Last week a sixth family member, Darrel Mohler, 72, a brother of Mohler, Sr., was charged with rape, and additional charges were filed against Mohler, Sr. and his sons.


A friend and former employer of Mohler, Sr., Robert Bruch said "The charges seem to be so absurd, they're unbelievable...Everybody's in total shock." Mr. Bruch, said he worshipped with Mohler at the Community of Christ Church in Bates City. "There was never a question about his loyalty to the church or Christ. A spokesman for the Missouri State Highway Patrol, in response to questioning about the reliability of recovered memories as a basis of criminal charges, said "We feel like we have enough evidence, otherwise we wouldn't have gotten to this point."

Police have been digging in the farmhouse basement for the remains of a baby born to the woman accusing the Mohlers of rape and in the back yard in search of glass bottles containing contemporaneous notes written by the children and buried in hopes that the memories of abuse would go away. The results of the search have not been disclosed.

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      mjfarns 6 years ago from Bloomington, Illinois USA

      Ralph, I like your style of journalism. I don't think it's possible to not be "political" about this issue, as an earlier commenter put it. That it is to say when you're talking about the dispicable behavior of human beings and the emotional and physical impact it has on other human beings (and a culture that, if it hasn't enabled it, it has certainly turned a blind eye to this kind of behavior historically), to be political is to simply care about the outcomes of attempts to intervene in this behavior and stop the cycle of violence. If we don't try to do that, why are we here?

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      Ralph Deeds 7 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      GM, thanks for picking up the typo. I'm pretty sure Missouri does have capital punishment. I'll try to find out the "rest of the story" and add it to the Hub.

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      GeneriqueMedia 7 years ago from Earth

      "old farmhous" is missing an e. Just a lil ed note.

      Whew. Missouri's state motto: So many people, so few last names. Okay, don't shoot me for that one.

      Anyway, what saddens me most is that these guys will be in prison undoubtedly for a very long time. On the other hand, I do have hope that this state does have capital punishment laws.

      It's just not something you can cure and just not someone who needs to continue to breathe--and cause harm, even if it's fiscal.

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      Ralph Deeds 7 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      Thanks for the comment. It really is a weird story.

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      Best CD Rates 7 years ago

      This is so weird. All these men are of same family!!!!!. You have chosen the most appropriate title for this story.

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      Ralph Deeds 7 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      You're entitled to your opinion. However, the GOP is the party that claims to be the party of "family values." It is strongest in the South among Evangelical protestants like the criminals in this case. I found this ironic as I did some of the other family values Republican Senators and Congressmen who have been caught trolling in men's rooms, patronizing prostitutes and disappearing to Argentina for a little adulterous romance with a girl friend. I recognize that this behavior isn't confined to Republicans. However, they are not the party which proclaims that America was founded as a Christian nation.

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      vrajavala 7 years ago from Port St. Lucie

      what was the point of the hub? that so-called conservatives commit incest? And, so, if liberals are homosexuals, then that shows enlightenment?

      Many of our teens think it's cool to be Muslim, but do they know Muhammed was a pedophile?

      Our wonderful Medea Benjamin of code Pink thinks she's the coolest thing since ice cream and thinks Muslim countries are cool too. Too bad for the stoned women there.

      Something tells me, Ralph, that your attempt to correlate political viewpoints with aberrant sexual practices is very amateurish.

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      Beata Stasak 7 years ago from Western Australia

      The most of us are good natured people with a healthy zest for life, sex and everything what is there for us to enjoy in our short time on earth. Then there is the minority of 'damaged people' who for one reason or other refuse to live according the accepted human rules...and they need to be stopped, charged and reprimind to find their way back to society.

      They have always been here, are here and always will be but I do not believe in any assumption and categorization that these people are predominant in the particular social group, race or religion...

      Religion as such is not to blame for people's action, I am not religious, but I believe that not religious belief but wrong individual interpretation of the religious belief may be wrong and therefore dangerous...

      Sorry for a long comment and anyway THANK YOU for your kind words my loyal hub reader. All the best from Beata

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      James A Watkins 7 years ago from Chicago

      Please do go on.

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      William R. Wilson 7 years ago from Knoxville, TN

      Porn is consumed more in Religious/conservative states:

      http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16680-porn-i...

      A few links about Baptist Ministers who molest Children (there are at least hundreds, if not thousands of these creeps using their position to prey on kids)

      http://www.reformation.com/CSA/baptistsabuse.html

      http://stopbaptistpredators.org/index.htm

      http://www.wacotrib.com/news/content/news/stories/...

      Divorce rates for Christians "significantly higher than for other faith groups, and much higher than Atheists and agnostics experience."

      http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm

      Teen pregnancy is highest the most religious states:

      http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32884806/ns/health-kid...

      I could go on.

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      James A Watkins 7 years ago from Chicago

      That's funny! I never knew you had a sense of humor Ralph. That comes as a big relief to me. Thanks.

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      Ralph Deeds 7 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      There are many definitions of sin. Where I grew up some of the Baptist girls weren't allowed to dance or use makeup. The joke was Baptists don't allow sex standing up because it might lead to dancing. Guess whose was the only pregnancy in my school--one of the Baptist girls.

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      James A Watkins 7 years ago from Chicago

      The point of Christianity is not that all the people who claim to adhere to it are perfect. Christians are sinners. As much schadenfreude as the failings of Christians give you and your friends, the constant claims of hypocrisy are the opposite of the truth about the major difference between Christians and the Lost. True Christians know they are going to mess up and need repentance and forgiveness; the Lost revel in their sins, brag about them, are proud of them to the point of holding parades to celebrate them, try to convince others of how wonderful a life of sin is. That is true hypocrisy: leading others to perdition by pretending how great things are among the lost when in fact, things are miserable.

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      ColdWarBaby 7 years ago

      Great work Ralph. I won't enter into this debate. It seems to be a general rule that the more repressed the individual, the more loudly they proclaim their piety. They seem compelled to draw attention in a persona that is the exact opposite of their true self.

      I think the really heinous criminals that could be considered "liberals" would likely be the serial killer type, more intellectual, blending in, hiding in plain sight.

      That's just a guess. I have no statistical data to support it.

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      Ralph Deeds 7 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      I agree. This could happen anywhere. However, the crime does fit the southern white stereotype, the ones who overwhelmingly supported George W. Bush. (My mother's side of the family all came from Independence, Kansas City, St. Joseph.) Apologies to the 11 million law abiding, hard working Missourians. There was no intent to denigrate Missouri.

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      Julie for Columbia, Missouri 7 years ago

      I just want all to know, that this is NOT "business as usual" in regards to the state of Missouri. Seeing how I'm from the southern portion of Missouri, I can speak matter-factly when I say, that these crimes could have happened anywhere. That the fact that this case happened in Missouri, was just a freak case and that this incident has NO bearing with regard to Missourian "philosophy or family values/practices" concerning the 11 million other citizens who choose to call Missouri home. It is said, to think that people are narrow minded enough to think that this behavior is just a rural "Missouri" problem and not a national one. As for the 11 million Missourians, this article seems to have stereotyped as horrible people, I feel the need to inform you people that the rest of the Missourian population happens to be loving, law abiding, hard working, American citizens.

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      kartika damon 8 years ago from Fairfield, Iowa

      WOW - on a roll here, I see! Ralph, I love the title - it's funny for one thing because of the irony! It speaks to the hypocrisy! As the writer you get to choose your style and I love it!

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      Ralph Deeds 8 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      William, I agree that the "family men" incident has nothing to do with the GOP. But I couldn't resist mentioning that the crimes occurred in a red state and were committed by an "upstanding" member of an evangelical Christian church. They could as easily have been committed by an atheist, a Catholic or an Episcopalian. Just having a little fun with the "darksiders."

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      William R. Wilson 8 years ago from Knoxville, TN

      Hi Ralph... I can see the point of your detractors - that this doesn't have much to do with all Republicans in Missouri, sex crimes go across the board, etc.

      But I share your perception that the most outspoken and repressive "family values" folks seem to have the darkest shadow lives - like Ted Haggard, the pastor of the conservative mega church who regularly shared sex and crystal meth with a gay prostitute, or the congressman who solicited a cop for anonymous sex in an airport bathroom.

      Then there is this story:

      http://lastdebate.blogspot.com/2007/10/200-gram-sp...

      There is statistical data that shows a correlation between conservative Christianity and consumption of pornography and divorce among other things. My theory is that it is due to sexual repression - the more we fight our shadow, the stronger it becomes.

      I personally believe that our sex lives are our own and should not be an issue. If a congressman wants to have anonymous sex with another man in a bathroom, more power to him as long as it's consensual. But when that same congressman scream about how immoral everyone else is, he should expect some schadenfreude when his shadow comes to light.

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      Ralph Deeds 8 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      Tnx, ethel and MBF III.

      Brilliant comment MBF. Sorry about your dad's situation. I hope for the best for him. Keep those poems coming.

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      Eileen Kersey 8 years ago from Kingston-Upon-Hull

      These have been so many of these stramge findings lately.

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      MFB III 8 years ago from United States

      Let's rehash Christian hypocisy, an acid reflux in the esphoagus of many good people. Let's start with Newt Gingerich who was sleeping around with a woman who was not his wife, while crucifying Bill Clinton for his sinful dallying with Monica. And Newt has the audacity to consider himslf a candidate for presidency in 2012. Fat, white haired chance. Or sarah palin, whose name I do not capitalize because she should never be anywhere near anything that is a capital, unless it is somewhere she can see Russia across the Bering Strait from Alaska, and then claim foreign policy finesse. sarah who bore a child with severe handicaps, and then let her daughters and family members take care of it, while she ran around campaigning for vice president. Rather then nurturing her baby a it's mother until it was grown and then going off and running for office. Where is the baby now while she is out touting her lame book that slams the very people who got her to her pinnacle of fame. Then let us us look at all the pious christians of the moral majority who do not in any way want to give free health care to those who truly need it. The sick inner city children, the homeless, the poor, the illegal immigrants,

      "Let them eat Toilet Cake."

      Thier own bible says to feed the hungry, care for the sick and the elderly, clothe and shelter the homeless, and that the greatest love of all is Charity.

      How come I don't see that happening.

      If we were to melt down all the gold and silver that is housed in the vatican, and all the treasures and jewels that are gathering dust there we could feed the world for decades. Then add in all the empires of the evangelists such as falwell, and Oral roberts, times so many others, and alot of our health care and poverty issues would be resolved.

      God does not discriminate with charity,

      whether illegal or otherwise. He forgives and blesses. Then as far as abortion issue goes, where are all these good hearted republicans stepping up to adopt all of these unwanted babies so that they don't have to be aborted. Where are the donations for orphanages to care for them if they are born. Who among them would be willing to adopt a child of rape. Jiberish, are you game??

      How about a baby with severe birth defects that will cost thousands of dollars to raise. Hypocrisy at its highest form, but nowhere near God. If people who believed in abortion, had mothers who believed in abortion, then there would not be any issue to worry about. But that is a cliche, and life is a little more realistic then that. If you want to help stop abortion get connected to an umbilical cord, and take home what is severed from it at birth.

      The line starts here, put your name down below this comment and I can surely refer you to a teenage mother who is considering a coat hanger or a commode dumping of her unwanted baby.

      Then of course you have to laugh at all the chicken hawks who sit in armchairs and criticize our current leader. Try stepping into his shoes for one week, shoes that are mired in a fifty foot pile of crap that bush left for him to deal with. No, you'd rather harass him into finishing up all of the mess bush left and then move on to his agenda, but only if it fits your policies. All of the bigmouths that yack on daily, such as rush limberger, and glen beck, who never saw combat, but are experts on how to handle the troops. Add in bush and cheney who also never saw combat, but sent our kids to the wrong country, in a rush to war without proper armor for them or their vehicles. Bush who promised to get bin laden in the pit at the trade towers, and then proceeded to plant an oily foothold in Iraq...while Afghansitan festered for years.

      The red states are red because of the blood shed under false pretense. Now we have to clean up Afghanistan, a place no one was ever able to fix.

      But all you offer is harassment of our beleagured leader. How does that accomplish anything. Good christian people throwing tea parties with vicious hate splattered signs....that's gonna solve a lot. Have you hired a vet whose face was burned so badly that most people can't stand to look at them, or visited a man with no genitals and legs because his humvee was fiberglass when he drove over an IED in Iraq.

      You like to dismiss all of Bushes mistakes as water over the dam, but then you harrang Obama for trying to plug all the leaks that are drowning our nation.

      Most of true America is sick of the radioactive waves of Yadda, yadda, yadda, being aired daily on every station.

      They are weary of the fox

      who seeks to steal the glory that it lost in the last elections by fabrication, defamation and hate mongering towards our current leaders.

      But hey, it's all in the name of God....much like a muslim who chooses to be a martyr.

      It's ok to damage and hurt, to deny and deprive, as long as it's your side doing the damage.

      Nitpickers endlessly removing invisble lice from our current head of states, instead of removing the real vermin among your party.

      There is a lot that is wrong with this country, but adding more wrongs on top of it solves nothing.

      We suffered for a grueling eight years under your hapless and greed driven commander-in-grief...now it's your turn, and oh, boy that acid reflux is broiling in your red raw throats.

      Moaning about Unemployment when bush was responsible for so much outsourcing and downsizing that was perpetuated by his administration, and the big businesses that he catered too.

      There is no sane company in the world that now only has to pay 38 cents an hour per employee overseas that will choose to come back here and pay $38.00 an hour union scale to U.S. workers.

      Obama needs to penalize those who chose to use cheap labor elsewhere, ah, but then you'd be screaming about that too.

      So what is your grand solution to unemployment.

      Post it below this comment, Oh, and by the way, also leave your name if you are game to adopt an unwanted baby. I can connect you, my city is full of them.

      And while your at it print me a statement that says that you as a good christian in no way want any poor, inner city or illegal immigrants to get any medical help or health care at any hospital au gratis , and I will post it on the bulletin board of the hospital I am headed to this morning.

      My dad's been there for over four weeks under the tragiclaly incompetent services of the current medicare system, which Obama is seeking to reform by removing all of the waste it creates. Twice yesterday he messed himself in his bed in spite of the call button,

      all over some very ugly bedsores, just when he was getting better. It seems there isn't enough help to get a bedpan to a patient in time. I hope none of you ever have to suffer such indignity.

      Perhaps if the bedpan didn't cost $40.00 a shot

      and the aspirin didn;'t cost ten dollars each, and some of the fat was cut from the system as is being proposed, he might just be able to drop a plop into some sanitary stainles steel and avoid sepsis.

      See it hits home, but only when it's one of your own. You don't have to look into the eyes of a child who needs desperate medical care, but does not have insurance.

      So let's recap the various forms of child aabuse, that you seem to want to support.

      Sick and poor children, hey, their parents should get a job, or let them suffer,

      Homes full of unwanted children,

      hey, at least they weren't aborted,

      Mothers with handicapped babies leaving them in others care while they pursue glory, Yeah you'd vote for that.

      Young men and women rushed to war, without proper armor, hey we have to get those terrorist fast, it's the cost of war...look how many died in Vietnam, we only lost 4, 362 or so in this war, that's a lot less.

      That's enough of my rant for now. All of the above simply reinforces why I call the republican party....Republican't.

      And they didn't for eight years, and yet they poo

      poo the mistakes made, and now blame the entire mess on the next guy....promising that they can fix it all up in 2012.

      I think the majority of us...U.S. that is will give Obama a chance, he's got three

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      Ralph Deeds 8 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      And of course I'm happy that former Congressman William Jefferson is in jail.

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      Ralph Deeds 8 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      jiberish, you're right, I don't agree with all Democrats. For example Bart Stupak from my home state of Michigan is not one of my favorites. Neither are Ben Nelson, and the other curmudgeonly red state Blue Dogs. And of course I think Joe Lieberman, former democrat, is the worst kind of venomous snake or diseased rat.

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      Hi-Jinks 8 years ago from Wisconsin

      In literature, the South has has a long tradition of peculiar behavior. The problem is what is taken as strange becomes normal in time. You must know that it was common for slave owners to rape their slaves. This is normal for some of them. Too bad, this makes parts of the South into a Third World Country.

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      eovery 8 years ago from MIddle of the Boondocks of Iowa

      We may use redneck and incest for simple humor such as marrying consenting adults relatives, not raping and killings. This instance with the Moehler family is not funny and should not be used in the same conversation.

      Another factor which I think still plays in today. In the 1800 and early 1900, Missouri was a state of outlaws. Most outlaws could find refuge in Missouri very easy. Some of this still lingers and has effects in the community. When this goes back all the way to the grandpa, which starts dating back to one generation away from some evil outlaws, the effects lingers on. Child molestation, as you know, effects generations.

      Personnally, I thought liberals would see this as okay. We have abortion, even if it happened after birth. We have sexual freedom. All things in the liberal handbook. Many liberal gay people think it is okay to have sex with whom they want, no matter of age or any other restricting barrier

      Also, I think there is going to be a lot more revealed in the future about this family.

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      jiberish 8 years ago from florida

      Deeds, I know you're a kool-aid drinking Liberal, but you have to admit that you don't agree with all Dems, do you? Or would you back them no matter what they say or do without fault?

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      Robert Dente 8 years ago

      Anytime you're in CT, give a call Ralph.

      And give my regards to Dicky C's cardiologist . . . http://home.comcast.net/~wizardofwhimsy/dickstripp...

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      Ralph Deeds 8 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      Robert & Judith, Tnx for your comments. We are kindred spirits. I wish the distance weren't so great so we could get together for a glass of wine or a beer. Regards to the Moties.

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      Robert Dente 8 years ago

      Hi Judith! I'm sympathetic to your view as well -- being a a former guilt-ridden Catholic bulled by mean men in black skirts!

      ( I wish I could post images here-- my lexdycsia will rear it's ugly head soon, I'm sure.)

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      judith spencer 8 years ago

      Robert, I completely agree...Christian hypocrisy, to me, is almost worse than ignorance. At least people who are igonorant have something of an excuse...those who proclaim to be Christian have to have a knowlege of or at least be able to read the Bible, one would assume.

      Most of the people I know who condemn others are A.) Christian and B.) Republican. Sorry, folks, that's just the way it shakes down.

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      Robert Dente 8 years ago

      The fact is that people delude themselves with aberrant thoughts about God, government and what they imagine is great sex--especially sex that is considered taboo by the tribe. (Which makes Ralph's associating Christian hypocrisy in the South & Republican "family values" understandable, if somewhat biased.)

      It always seems to come down to who will guard the guards, I suppose--but at least we aren't talkin' about Sarah Palin and Oprah!

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      What's News 8 years ago

      Don't get me wrong Deeds I think you are a great writer and I have read your other articles. I just don't see the parallels of it being a red state and the criminal act that has taken place there.

      Sara Tonyn I did read the comment you made to my article and I kept it posted. I believe in giving everyone a forum in which to post their belief.

      The article that I wrote was not an attack on democrats but rather a question of the agenda of the liberals that have infiltared the democratic party. I believe that they want to take power away from the people and bring socialism to America.

      I don't however, believe that they reflect the beliefs of their base. I also believe that everyday they are becoming more and more detached from the democrats who love this country and want the freedoms the liberal politicians are trying to take away from them.

      Notice I say liberal politicians and I don't generalize liberals as a whole.

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      Ralph Deeds 8 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      What's News, why do you think I chose the title? noone who's read a few of my Hubs and comments would accuse me of being impartial. As I'm sure you know, most of the old southern racist Democrats switched to the Republican Party long ago. I'll peruse the news accounts to see if anyone identifies the Mohners's political affiliation. I'll give you odds they are Republicans. I'm sure you know, most of the old southern racist Democrats switched to the Republican Party long ago. Sorry if I offended you or hurt your feelings!

      Robert, Many thanks! That gives me the strength to bear the slings and arrows from some of the others.

      Sara Tonyn, Thanks for your kind comment.

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      Sara Tonyn 8 years ago from Ohio, the Buckeye State

      What's News says: "You're just trying to drudge up contempt against the republican party."

      No, this hub isn't anything like the one you wrote about liberals. You know, your hub with the great big swastika plastered on it. (You're probably not going to like the comment I posted to it.)

      Anyway, good job, Ralph. Thanks for reminding us that horrendous crimes of incest are taking place every day and we need to put an end to them.

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      Ralph Deeds 8 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      Why do you think I would do that? Because I'm a lifelong yellow dog Democrat. Anyone who has read my hubs and comments would never accuse me of being impartial! I'm sorry if I offended you! In case you hadn't noticed most of the Evangelical southerners switched from being Democrats to Republicans long ago. They are the ones who twisted McCain's arm to pick Sarah Palin as his running mate. I'll peruse the news accounts about the Mohler family for mention of their political affiliation. I'll give you odds they are Republicans.

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      What's News 8 years ago

      Believe me Deeds I did look for mention of political beliefs of the family in your article. So, with no mention of politcal beliefs, why would you title your article in such a way that leads people to believe they are going to read an article about a republican family who rape their family members?

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      Ralph Deeds 8 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      What'snews, Where's your sense of humor? Yes, the family could be Democrats, but the odds are they are Republicans. Besides, if you re-read my Hub you'll see that I didn't mention either political party. But if the shoe fits, wear it!

      jiberish, I guess I'm too PC. I tried to write the Hub so as not to make my point without unnecessarily offending any body (like our friends, Tex or GreatAmerican).

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      jiberish 8 years ago from florida

      There are good Christians and those who put on front, there are Good Muslims and those who shoot up Fort Hood, There are good Republicans and Democrates, then there are those who lie, cheat, steal. So Deeds, if you wanted to call this family 'Rednecks' why didn't you. If the show fits, let them wear it.

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      Ralph Deeds 8 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      Family values originated in the South--Falwell, et al. Of course child abuse occurs all over the country. But the Blue State people aren't beating their chests all the time about Christian family values. How about giving me a little credit for resisting the temptation to use the term "redneck." I considered calling the hub --Red State Redneck Family Values or Red State Redneck Evangelical Family Values.

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      eovery 8 years ago from MIddle of the Boondocks of Iowa

      Ralph, you made a big mistake on this. Your generalized really big time here. And you are the one the is always preaching against it, and you just did it big time. There is no crime in blue states? We all know that they are theleading crime states. We could generalize and write about all the murders and rapes in the blue states. There are a few bad people all over. To generalize them like this is a gross mistake. We could not write fast enough to cover all the happenings in the "Blue States."

      And yes, there are some bad people that hide behind christianity in order to fool others and not be caught. One bad apple doesn't ruin the whole bunch.

      Keep on hubbing!

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      kartika damon 8 years ago from Fairfield, Iowa

      Irony is the key word here - notice how members of his community were all certain he was a good Christian man - it seems we keep hearing about more and good Christians involved in sex crimes. It's as if labeling yourself as family values Christian puts you in the category of the righteous. However, I was married to a psychologist for many years who said sexual abuse is rampant across the board. A great many of his clients were victims of sexual abuse--lots of these people were from rural areas but it crosses all social demographics--many were from families who looked ideal on the outside.

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      What's News 8 years ago

      How do you know the political views of this family? They could be democrats. Furthermore, this could have happened anywhere and I'm sure it has happened in a blue state as well.

      You're just trying to drudge up contempt against the republican party.

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      Ralph Deeds 8 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      Great American, we can agree on that!

      What's News, because I'm a political junkie and a yellow dog democrat who's tired of all the fundamentalist family values stuff we've been hearing for a long time. It struck me as ironic that a "good," ostensibly respectable white Christian family would apparently turn out to be a bunch of child molesters and worse.

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      greatAmerican 8 years ago

      Jokes about incest are not funny and they have more to do with degrading people of a region. Incest is a crime against children who don't always know the difference of right or wrong. It is more a case of misguided trust. These crimnals need to be locked up just as Warren Jeffs the leader of the FLDS branch of the Mormon church has been.

      America and the world have turned SEX into a pastime without regard to consequences and as much as we may enjoy it we need to show respect for others, especially children.

      Teen age sex,, just because 'everybody does it' does not make it right! Even animals have natural instincts preventing them from attraction to blood relationships.

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      What's News 8 years ago

      Why did you spin this as political?

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      JamesBenjaminJrMD 8 years ago from USA

      Wild! Good find!