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GWB's Library: Theme of the Magic Library

Updated on November 8, 2016

On George W. Bush's Watch

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Library of Katrina, Iraq War and Florida's Vote Recount

The theme is the opening of the George Walker ("Dubya") Bush library: This Morning, I heard Laura Bush say of the George W. Bush Presidential Library, scheduled to open this morning, they just wanted people to see how difficult it is to make decisions, as President of the United States.

And in the same breath Mrs. Bush mentioned: Hurricane Katrina, the Iraq War, and the re-count of Florida's votes.

Q. Re-count? What re-count?

And now comes the 'Magic,' where truth is turned into lies and lies are turned into truth.

Q. Is the overthrown Statue/Bust of Saddam Hussein mounted in Bush's Library?


Iraq War History re-write

Nobody blames George W. Bush for the Afghanistan War! Other than the FACT that he striped Social Security of its surplus funding. But, Iraq?

Q. Does George W. Bush brag about setting the people free, from the terrible dictator, Saddam Hussein?

Q. Does he look in every corner of his library for the weapons of mass destruction?


President and Mrs. Obama to Attend

President and Mrs. Obama and three other former Presidents and their wives Attended the 'Grand Opening' of GWB's Presidential Library.

The cost to visit the new Presidental Library is $16. I heard on the radio. Of course that could have changed by now, two days later.

$16. is not enough, they would need to pay ME $1,600 just to enter the Library of GWB's Lies.

$16.00 Is The Cost

What would you pay to be Convinced that George W. Bush Did everything right?

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Florida's vote re-count of 2000.

It surprised me that Laura Bush, mentioned the vote recount in Florida 2000.

Q. Does George W. Bush really believe that he would have legitimately won?

Florida 2000 Recount - The Real Truth

Why is GWB Opening a Library Here and Not In Iraq?

Yesterday, April 24th, 2013, an article by staff writer, David Flick, in The Dallas Morning News caught my attention. Normally I don’t pay much attention to protest/demonstrations, unless it is something that I believe in passionately, but this was different.

The protesters seemed unlikely protesters. After all this was the protest against the honoring of a man who claimed to have liberated some of these same protesters.

In Mr. Flick’s article he quoted another Iraqi, Salam Talib, who represents the Dallas Peace Center, who said the war had made Bush unpopular with the people he claimed to have liberated.

“Why is he opening a library here and not in Iraq?” Talib said. “I guarantee if he tried to open one in Iraq, it would not last very long.

Protesting the GWB Library

Across North Central Expressway from a building that is set to have a grand opening tomorrow, April 25, 2013. Some Iraqis Citizens and United States Iraq war veterans, joined forces to protest the opening of the Presidential Library in honor of the legacy of George W. Bush. Farah Mushin, from Baghdad said in the article “We are here to remind the world that the Bush legacy has nothing honorable about it.”

How proud the man who was once our President must be, having a building dedicated in his honor, and having previous Presidents there to bring credibility to his legacy and, validate his lies. The man who stood on the deck of a ship and proudly proclaimed ‘mission accomplished.’ The man who bragged about how he would bring honor and dignity back to the White House, and then he brought shame and disgrace.


The Right to Heal!

All day the news was how tomorrow, Thursday, the President and Mrs. Obama would be attending the opening of Mr. Bush’s Presidential library, and they showed clips of items on display. One item was a wall map depicting Hurricane Katrina, as if it is a map of pride inside his library of lies.

I heard with my own ears, several Republicans, and two in particular, Dana Perino and Rudy Giuliani both saying that no acts of terrorism happened on George W. Bush’s watch.

Q. Where were these people on September 11th, 2001?

According to the Dallas Morning News article: Among the demonstrators was a veteran wounded in Afghanistan, who said the majority of soldiers he worked with have come to regard the American presence in Afghanistan as a mistake, and they were saying how we need accountability for what happened and the right to heal for the people there in Iraq, Afghanistan and the Veterans and their families of both wars.

According to the article by Mr. Flick, the protesters planted rows of crosses in memory of those who died in the Bush Administration wars.


© 2013 Shyron E Shenko

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      Shyron E Shenko 17 months ago from Texas

      Au fait, appreciate the comment and sharing.

      Hope all is well with you.

      Blessings and Hugs.

      Take care

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      C E Clark 17 months ago from North Texas

      Another of my favorites. I love the title! Sharing of course.

      Hope all's well with you. Take care . . .

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Au fait for the comments. Maybe Jeb could build one next to his brother's and then one could visit both in one swoop.

      Blessings and hugs to you also.

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      C E Clark 2 years ago from North Texas

      Just had to revisit this fine article. Love the title and that photo is priceless. Wonder if Jebbie wins where he'll plant his magical library? Sharing.

      What awful heat today! 99 F. !! THI 104! Never cooled down much las' night either. Hope you're staying cool and that both of you are taking care of yourselves. Blessings and hugs, dear friend . . .

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      Au fait, thank you for the comments and sharing. I think they must have been talking about the Bush daughters, there are no other first daughter(s) who did thing that. I don't know why people talk like that, wonder if they have daughter(s) and how would they feel if they heard that statement about them?

      I am glad we won the battle against the developer. Looks like the war is on for this next Monday night. The town council could overture our win and give the developer what he wants. politics is a dirty business. I hear our Mayor is running for Congress and campaigns cost a lot of money, especially now-days, You can vote in our state. I will campaign against if he rules in favor of the developer, that would mean he does not care about the people or our town.

      I hope that is the end to the cold temp. I hate ice.

      Blessings and Hugs dear friend! I hope you enjoy this day.

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      C E Clark 2 years ago from North Texas

      In answer to a question posed regarding what the most important characteristics a first lady should have, someone said the first daughters ought to know how to act in public and be patriotic, or something along those lines. I wonder if they were talking about how the Bush twins in their teen years were publicly drunk and partying? You have surly seen what asses people often make of themselves when they're drunk. I wonder if that person was referring to these all but adult Bush twins when they wrote that about the first daughters . . .

      Sharing this again.

      So glad your meeting went your way and well. Hope you win the next one too. More important than voting, is holding politicians to their promises and especially doing what's best and right for the people.

      So glad the freezing temps are gone for a while and especially the ice is gone. Blessings and hugs for you and John too. Hope you are taking care of yourselves.

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      Au fait, thank you for pinning and sharing.

      I hope you are also having a good Sunday. I slept to hard.

      Blessings to you always

      shyron.

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      C E Clark 2 years ago from North Texas

      Thought I'd come visit this article again. Pinned it to AH and will share it again.

      Hope you're having a good sleep. Still feels like Sunday and I guess now it is. Take care and have a good weekend what's left of it . . .

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      Aunt Jimi, I am so glad you are still here! Cheney and Rumsfield wer not advisers they were bush's puppeteers. No we can't let them off the hook, and just imagine is a Republican is elected 2016 Cheney and his daughter Liz are there to aid and abet.

      Thank you dear Aunt Jimi, for the up votes, and for sharing.

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      Aunt Jimi 2 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      It's too bad that Dubya's advisors didn't serve him better. It was their job to make sure he understood all the options and which ones wouldn't work. I think Cheney and Rumsfield screwed up worse even than Dubya and he depended on them. He never should have, but that doesn't let them off the hook.

      Sharing with my followers. Voting this up and useful/interesting/awesome.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Au fait, I really appreciate you my dear friend.

      I think they would have to pay me to visit this library.

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      C E Clark 3 years ago from North Texas

      Thought people might want to read this so that when they start planning their summer vacations (summer will be here before you know it), they may want to include a trip to Houston and this interesting library in their trip.

      Hope you are feeling much better now than when we last talked. My teeth continue to ache and sleep continues to evade me. Plan on crashing soon as I get some comments caught up.

      Voted up, IA, and sharing.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Just a little tongue in cheek Lucy, thank you for your visit and comment.

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      lucy 3 years ago

      Holy smoke, you kidden me, that kissing video umm,

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Au fait, for your comments and for sharing this again, always appreciate you.

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      C E Clark 3 years ago from North Texas

      I've seen some headlines about this issue in the news recently, and though I only read a couple of lines, it would seem that other people are taking offense about the same things you write about here. Voting up and awesome and sharing again. Already pinned.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Aunt Jimi, for you comments. I am working on a hub about who is running and for what office. I hope to have it published soon.

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      Aunt Jimi 3 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      I like this article and I know what a great job you always do researching and digging out the facts of an issue. With the mid term elections just around the corner, we need lots of your hubs shedding light on the things the Republicans are doing in the dark hoping no one will notice!

      Going to share this again with my followers.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Thank you lyricwriter, for your comments, up-vote and sharing, glad you like my article. I believe as you that he wanted to finish his (Poppy) daddy's war. I believe I watch the same documentary. I have been following from the first bush (Iraq) war. I also went father back to Salem ben Laden, who was an investor in GWB's Arbusto Oil venture and was killed in a plane crash (Ironic?)

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      Richard Ricky Hale 3 years ago from West Virginia

      I would be telling a fib if I didn't say that I LOVE articles like this, they always have the best comments:) Well done Shyron. I watched a great documentary on GWB, but forget what it was called. I personally believe his decision was partially based on finishing his dad's war. GWB certainly knew that there was no WMD in Iraq. If there had been, the resistance would have been there. Instead, we walked through the entire country and found Saddam in a rat hole. I'm sure 9-11 would have been very hard to deal with, for any president. However, he made the wrong decisions. At the least, we get some funny YouTube videos and David Lettermen had a 8 year topic:) Powerful!! Voted up, useful, awesome, interesting, and shared on FB.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Jen, for reading and commenting on this hub. I sorry you could not sleep, but glad you were reading my hubs.

      I know Mr. bush, jr. wants to rewrite history and say that he was justified in HIS attack on Iraq. That is having an impact on the U.S. decision and reaction to Syria.

      When GWB wanted to attack Iraq, claiming they had WMDs, all the while knowing they had NONT. And then it was proven they had NONE. The GWB made light of the whole Iraq war. Looking behind the drapes in the White House, pretending to be looking for WMDs, and knowing they were not there.

      Is that having an impact on the U.S. Congress's indecision in regards to the Syrian Assad's regime attack on its people?

      Was this a PLAN to provoke the President to strike, so that Syria can say that America has declared war on them?

      I just heard Rep. Janice Hahn (D) say that there are alternatives for the President to make, but could not think of one.

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      Jen 3 years ago

      How could anyone say no terrorist attacks happened under George W. Bush when 9/11 happened while he was president? Wasn't that a terrorist attack? I've heard it was an inside job. Maybe Mr. Giuliani had a slip of the tongue? The truth often comes out when people get relaxed and forget to pay attention to what they are saying.

      I couldn't sleep again tonight so I am reading a couple of your articles. Very interesting how we used to accuse the Soviet Union of making up their own history and now it seems we are doing it here too!

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Aunt Jimi, for your continued support I always appreciate your comments. You are such a dear friend.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Aunt Jimi, for your continued support I always appreciate your comments. You are such a dear friend.

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      Aunt Jimi 3 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      Talk about socialism! Republicans scream about Socialism and Communism. Isn't that what they used to do in the old Soviet Union? Change history to suit themselves? Surprised this isn't more of an issue for Democrats.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Jen, I appreciate your visit.

      You are right, at one time republicans were half way decent.

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      Jen 3 years ago

      I think that's just terrible that they're making things up. I guess he really did lie to the American people about that guy stockpiling bombs in Iraq and now he's lying about what happened. I remember when Republicans were honest. I guess nobody is anymore.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Dr. stiffy, President Obama has not failed. What you seem to forget is that when the tea party republicans had control they instituted the super majority so that any bill that came before congress had to pass 60 to 40 percent and you know that no matter what the bill was suppose to do, if it was any benefit to the American people or the democrats, the republicans voted against it.

      I am sure you know that Mr. DR Stiffy.

      Obama's Legacy? No matter what he does for now until the end of his term, he will leave office with the White House and the American people in better shape the when George Walker Bush was in office.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Aunt Jimi, thank you for your comments, always appreciate.

      I just heard or read somewhere, or maybe I drempt it, that George W. Bush Library's Historical portion is closed while they do rewrites.

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      Aunt Jimi 3 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      Really like the cover photo on this hub. GW always has that pained look for some reason. Wonder if he knows we're the ones feeling HIS pain instead of when Clinton said he was feeling ours.

      This rewriting of history is what really needs to be discussed, but it seems to me Democrats don't have the backbone to stand up about it and Republicans think anything another Republican does is perfection unplugged. Going to share this hub again.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thanks Aunt Jimi, if nobody reads the hub the don't know what to say, so they say some stupid. I am glad you know and understand what I am talking about. I really appreciate you.

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      Haven't heard from anybody on the issue of Dubya's library that rewrote history. Saw a lot of comments on here about other stuff, but nothing about the library and the fake history. Sharing.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Jen, thank you for your visit and thank your friend for recommending you read my hub(s).

      Ref: George W. Bush, I too believe that Cheney had an abundance of influence on everything that went on in the Bush Administration White House.

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      Jen 4 years ago

      My dear friend who writes on here said I should take a look at your hubs. This one is interesting. I was never a Bush supporter, so I am probably not a good judge of his library. I feel sorry for him and did even when he was in office. Poor man could never seem to do anything right. I wonder if that is because Cheney really was in charge? That man always scared me.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      yes, same name.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      OK! Same name?

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      You are welcome. Send me a friend request on fb, if you want.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      Thanks! :)

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      I posted this on fb also. I hope a lot of people read it.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      My pleasure! I posted this yesterday on FaceBook:

      "It is really time that We the People of the world see that we all must unite as one people. Corporate entities such as Monsanto, the Koch brothers, Big Oil, Big Pharma wage war on us all every day and steadily gain control of our air, water, food and fuel. They keep us pitted against each other to distract us from their predation. We have to drop our artificial differences, focus on our similarities and turn as one to face our corporate enemies or we will perish."

      Along with this meme:

      http://bit.ly/4Elements1People

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      You are right Suzanne, we are the target. The filthy rich want to do everything possible to eliminate anyone and everyone who isn't filthy rich. And some people are naive the believe the lying rich.

      Thank you Suzanne for your continued comments.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      And I did read the full article. Thank you for that also.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      Of interest...

      Corporations Are Stealing Billions in Tax Breaks, While the Confused, Screwed Citizenry Turn On Each Other

      "...every ... major corporation, and every big Wall Street bank (is) sheltering as much of their U.S. profits abroad as they can, while telling Washington that lower corporate taxes are necessary in order to keep the U.S. 'competitive.'

      "Baloney. The fact is, global corporations have no allegiance to any country; their only objective is to make as much money as possible — and play off one country against another to keep their taxes down and subsidies up, thereby shifting more of the tax burden to ordinary people whose wages are already shrinking because companies are playing workers off against each other....

      "Right-wing nationalist parties are gaining ground elsewhere in Europe as well. In the U.S., not only are Republicans sounding more nationalistic of late (anti-immigrant, anti-trade), but they continue to push “states rights” — as states increasingly battle against one another to give global companies ever larger tax breaks and subsidies."

      Full Article: http://bit.ly/CorporateGreed

      I have seen the enemy, and it ain't us!

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      You are welcome Suzanne.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      Shucks! Thanks for the many kind words! ;)

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Aunt Jimi, you are right as usual. I appreciate you input.

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      Suzanne, thank you for setting Carl straight on the difference between Rachel and rush.

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      Carl, thank you for your comments, sorry you don't want to post on here any more. If you want to read more of Suzanne's hubs, go to justmesuzanne.

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      Jen, thank you for reading and commenting on my article, I am so glad you enjoyed it.

      I have not heard from anyone, saying the visited the 2nd Bush Library. I have a lot of information on the 1st Bush Library, when I have time to dig it out.

      Please return, maybe you could become a hubber. I see lots of hubbers who just want to read and comment on other people's hubs.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Aunt Jimi, you are right as usual. I appreciate you input.

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      Suzanne, thank you for setting Carl straight on the difference between Rachel and rush.

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      Carl, thank you for your comments, sorry you don't want to post on here any more. If you want to read more of Suzanne's hubs, go to justmesuzanne.

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      Jen, thank you for reading and commenting on my article, I am so glad you enjoyed it.

      I have not heard from anyone, saying the visited the 2nd Bush Library. I have a lot of information on the 1st Bush Library, when I have time to dig it out.

      Please return, maybe you could become a hubber. I see lots of hubbers who just want to read and comment on other people's hubs.

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      Jen 4 years ago

      An interesting hub, but no one is talking about the library. I would really like to know more about that. What people think about it and if anyone has visited, what they thought.

      I did think the comments were interesting too. Interesting to read the different opinions. That Aunt Jimi sure goes after the people who want to cut back on education and poor people's programs doesn't she? I don't blame her. They upset me too, but I don't think I would have the nerve to confront them like she does.

      From what I can tell watching Republicans on TV they sure do go after people just like Aunt Jimi does, but it does not look like they appreciate being challenged does it?

      Enjoyed your article and the comments were interesting as well.

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      Carl 4 years ago

      Also, don't worry about me posting here anymore. I think I'm done with this one. The only person I really like here is Suzanne, not because I agree with her, but because she is respectful to people and backs up her points.

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      Carl 4 years ago

      @Jimi

      "How do I know that? Because Obama won. The majority of voters elected a Democrat who is black -- get used to it. You are in the minority. Your excuses don't hold water. They're old hat."

      You just proved all of my points. What happens when a Republican wins the White House next election? Am I supposed to ignore the feelings of all Democrats or do you somehow think that it's impossible for a Republican to win again? And then you brought in race, why is it that no one who argued with you ever brought up the color of the President's skin? There are plenty of black folks that I would vote for. Barack Obama just isn't one of them.

      Also, Barack Obama's election showed much about race relations in this country. 95% of black people voted for Obama while roughly 50% of white people did. If Barack Obama had been white or if white people voted based on the color of his skin he would have lost. I am happy to see that white voters basically ignored the color of his skin and disgusted that many blacks casted their vote almost completely based on it.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      Why is Rachel Maddow a better source of information than Rush Limbaugh?

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      Rachel Maddow ~ Education and background...

      Rachel Anne Maddow is an American television host, political commentator, and author. She hosts a nightly television show, The Rachel Maddow Show, on MSNBC. Her syndicated talk radio program of the same name aired on Air America Radio.

      Born: April 1, 1973 (age 40), Castro Valley, CA

      Life Partner: Susan Mikula (1999–)

      Education:

      University of Oxford (2001)

      Lincoln College, Oxford (postgraduate study 1995)

      Stanford University (1994)

      Castro Valley High School (1990)

      Here is her High School graduation speech:

      http://bit.ly/RMHSGradSpeech

      Books:

      Maddow's is a scholarly and serious historical political piece (a #1 NYT best seller) reviewed seriously by the US "newspaper of record".

      Drift: The Unmooring of American Military Power (NYT Review)

      The #1 New York Times bestseller that charts America’s dangerous drift into a state of perpetual war.

      "One of my favorite ideas is, never to keep an unnecessary soldier," Thomas Jefferson wrote in 1792. Neither Jefferson nor the other Found­ers could ever have envisioned the modern national security state, with its tens of thousands of "privateers"; its bloated Department of Homeland Security; its rust­ing nuclear weapons, ill-maintained and difficult to dismantle; and its strange fascination with an unproven counterinsurgency doctrine.

      Written with bracing wit and intelligence, Rachel Maddow's Drift argues that we've drifted away from America's original ideals and become a nation weirdly at peace with perpetual war, with all the financial and human costs that entails. To understand how we've arrived at such a dangerous place, Maddow takes us from the Vietnam War to today's war in Afghanistan, along the way exploring the disturbing rise of executive authority, the gradual outsourcing of our war-making capabilities to private companies, the plummeting percentage of American families whose children fight our constant wars for us, and even the changing fortunes of G.I. Joe. She offers up a fresh, unsparing appraisal of Reagan's radical presidency. Ultimately, she shows us just how much we stand to lose by allowing the priorities of the national security state to overpower our political discourse.

      Sensible yet provocative, dead serious yet seri­ously funny, Drift will reinvigorate a "loud and jangly" political debate about how, when, and where to apply America's strength and power--and who gets to make those decisions.

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      Rush Limbaugh ~ Education and background...

      Rush Limbaugh

      Talk show host

      Rush Hudson Limbaugh III is a conservative American radio talk show host and political commentator. Since he was 16, Limbaugh has worked a series of disc jockey jobs.

      Born: January 12, 1951 (age 62), Cape Girardeau, MO

      Spouses: Marta Fitzgerald (m. 1994–2004), Michelle Sixta (m. 1982–1990), Roxy Maxine McNeely (m. 1977–1980)

      Education:

      Missouri Central High School (1969)

      Southeast Missouri State University (did not graduate)

      TV shows: The Rush Limbaugh Show, Sunday NFL Countdown, The Pat Sajak Show, The 1/2 Hour News Hour, EIB Cure -a-thon

      Books:

      Limbaugh's books are efforts at humorous "send-ups" filled with personal anecdotes from this "feisty flouter" who "provokes friend sand (sic) enemies" with his "ascerbic wit and huggable charm". The first is reviewed by Publisher's Weekly and Booklist. The second it simply self-reviewed by the publisher!

      See, I Told You So

      From Publishers Weekly

      Limbaugh's send-up of American liberalism was a 13-week PW bestseller.

      Copyright 1994 Reed Business Information, Inc. --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.

      From Booklist

      By its second day in the stores, Limbaugh's second book had the biggest early sales of a hardcover book in publishing history. That's what the man himself let slip on his radio show, and as he says, he purveys only the truth--a statement that is itself true in terms of both factual accuracy and ideological sincerity. But the truth has little to do with Limbaugh's appeal and success. Those come to him because he is relentlessly upbeat, an indomitable patriot, a booster for capitalism, and a feisty flouter of sanctimonious special pleaders and those most despised of nay-sayers, establishment (the Times, the Post, Time, Newsweek, the networks, etc.) journalists, who'd be much (well. . . a teensy bit, maybe) more acceptable to Limbaugh if they'd only 'fess up to their liberal bias. All of those qualities are here in spades, just as they were in last year's phenomenal best-seller, The Way Things Ought to Be. What's missing is Limbaugh's hilarious, irreverent, and canny use of pop culture--for instance, the New Orleans novelty song, "Ain't Got No Home," introducing updates on homelessness, and a 1960s surfer-rock parody called "The Little First Lady with Meg'lomania," twitting Hillary Clinton--which highlights his radio program and makes it magnetically listenable. To make up for this loss, there's at least chapter 25, "The Politically Correct Liberal Lexicon," but, really, there's no loss to make up, for Limbaugh in his more somber print manifestation is still political and social commentary so lively it cries out to be read and agreed or disagreed with, but always enjoyed. Ray Olson

      The Way Things Ought to Be

      From the Publisher

      Rush Limbaugh is a way of life for over twelve million avid and devoted listeners. For three hours every day this comic conservative of the airwaves with "talent on loan from God" entertains, provokes and persuades friend sand enemies alike in a no-holds-barred show that is one of the biggest draws in radio history. Using personal anecdotes, Limbaugh now reveals the major influences on his life and views, and blasts off on all the leading issues of our day. Nothing escapes his acerbic wit and huggable charm as he proves why he is on the cutting edge of societal evolution and the epitome of morality and virtue. Here he holds forth on such subjects as: Anita Hill, The Homeless Fraud, The Media, and many others. Tackling the hottest topics of the times from Feminazis to Environmentalist Wackos, Rush Limbaugh is at his satirical best---the provocative conservative and the showman who is "documented to be almost always right 97.9% of the time" about The Way Things Ought To Be.

      (All book reviews reprinted verbatim from Amazon.)

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      One note on the rest of your collection:

      Poor Hank Johnson (D Georgia) was trying for comedic effect about the Federal Helium Reserve, but he just doesn't have the chops for it! That was surely an error in judgment! LOL! :D

      Here's what he was talking about:

      "The bill, which now goes to the Senate, is intended to protect the country — if not the world — from a damaging dearth of helium that would limit its use in MRI machines, fiber optic cables, computer chips and more, according to lawmakers."

      Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/28/he...

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      Yup, Carl, you are correct in that I do not like people who try to make life even more difficult for poor people than it already is. I do not like people who want to deny poor people, including babies, healthcare.

      I have a dear friend who is writing about infant morality in this country and do you know even Malaysia and Cuba have a better mortality rate than the U.S. in that regard? Thanks to Republicans 40 other countries take better care of their newborns than the U.S. does.

      Yes, 10,000 babies and children die every year in the U.S., the richest nation on the planet, because they can't get healthcare. That's shocking and egregious and how anyone who agrees with it expects to get respect I do not know!!!

      Did it ever occur to you Carl, that we have heard your half-assed excuses for being stingy and heartless many times before from other people just like you? While it's true that repeating a lie enough times will eventually convince most gullible people that it's the truth, you have to consider that we aren't all gullible and ignorant.

      So you and your ilk can repeat your lies ad nauseum as much as you like, but forgive us if some of us tune you out, because we've heard it all before. If we cared to do it, we could sing your songs along with you and never miss a word.

      Your excuses are trite and redundant Carl. Learn some new ones. Pull your head out of the sand -- your same old same old isn't working, and we aren't listening to it. We've heard it all before. They're so last decade and they're WRONG. We know they're wrong and if you'd stop flapping your jaws long enough to listen yourself, you'd know most people already realize your excuses are WRONG.

      How do I know that? Because Obama won. The majority of voters elected a Democrat who is black -- get used to it. You are in the minority. Your excuses don't hold water. They're old hat.

      You're a fine one to call anyone biased and intolerant. YOU are everything you accuse liberals of being and worse!

      You insult yourself Carl, worse than anyone else ever could by being obtuse and most of all by admitting you vote Republican and support Republicans. To associate and identify and support people who laugh, jeer at, and spit on people who need but cannot get healthcare is so repugnant you just do not know!

      People who favor the kind of behavior and words I see from Republicans every day of my life because I live in a sea of them get no respect from me. There is no one in the world who can top a Republican when it comes to hating. Maybe you think denying people necessary healthcare and food is love? You really are screwed up.

      I'm sick of Republican's obtuse mean spirited heartless ideas and attitudes no matter how politely they state them. Letting people die is unconscionable no matter how sweetly and courteously you place your vote for that to happen.

      Can you believe someone said to me just last Thursday that people should be denied Food Stamps if they fail the drug test and even their children should be denied? This person actually said that children fair according to what their parents can provide and if they fail the drug test, that's life. Can you believe an adult with a responsible job and children is basically saying if children choose the wrong parents too bad so sad? They'll just have to go hungry. You think I should respect a person like that? You think I should respect people who agree with people like that? You think I should respect people who vote for politicians who think like that? Who ties your shoes Carl?

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      @ Carl,

      I agree with Aunt Jimi, because she is right.

      I am against cutting Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. If that makes me biased. Then you are right!

      I am against people who blame something they caused (Benghazi) on someone else (Hillary.) If that makes me biased. Then you are right!

      Are you for cutting Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and ending Food Stamps for people who would otherwise starve to death. If so, that makes you biased? That also makes you a republican!

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      Carl 4 years ago

      @ Shyron

      You are intolerant and completely biased. You are everything you claim to be against. You refuse to listen to anything from the other side and resort to insults when all else fails. You praise Aunt Jimi's rants even though they are hateful because she is on your side. At the same time, you bash those who disagree with you when they attempt to voice their opinions to you politely. Please think about it for a few minutes before you respond.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      @ Carl,

      I think Suzanne is a good person also. Glad we can agree on something. Thank you for the comment.

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      Carl 4 years ago

      @ Shyron

      I like Suzanne, I think she's a good egg. I just don't agree with her politics.

      I actually watched the complete Maddow presentation at the link Suzanne provided. My point is that Maddow is to me what Limbaugh is to you. They are both at the ends of the spectrum and they both like chicks.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Suzanne, thank you for the link, I will add that info to my collection! ;o)

      @ Carl

      You did not go to the link from Suzanne, Rachel Maddow is one of the few people who has the courage to speak the truth to people like you.

      Susanne's 2nd link is about the republicans dishonoring the memory of the people who died in Benghazi., by Trudy Rubin.

      I can understand though your gagging on the truth, or did you stick you, finger down your throat?

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      The real Benghazi scandal is that Issa chooses circus over substance.

      http://bit.ly/IssaCircus

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      Carl 4 years ago

      Suzanne,

      How dare you send me to a Rachel Maddow site without warning me first? I have no choice, but to retaliate. These links should provide you and your liberal friends with the same shock and horror I felt when I clicked on your link.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj9jk0VPw9w

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&...

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      In response to the comment some long while ago that none of the problems predicted to happen because of the sequester have actually happened:

      http://bit.ly/CutBack

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      @ Carl, President Obama has done more than any President in spite of the road blocks the right keeps putting up.

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      Aunt Jimi, you are right on as usual, and I appreciate you more than you know.

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      Liberty Cell, did you find out that the link you sent me to, was phony?

      I have you matched, my grandparents, had a well where we drew water, an outhouse, it was a log house and we bathed in the Zinc tub.

      You said that Aunt Jimi's comments did not relate to the content of yours and Carl's entry. But, it does relate to your comments. It is you comments/posts that is not relevant to my hub.

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      Aunt Jimi, thank you again you are so right as usuall.

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      Gentlemen: You say I didn't stick to the subject of what y'all were writing about.

      Mr. Cell:

      1. You said you didn't believe Republicans were interested in slashing eduction funding.

      2. You stated the conditions of your childhood.

      3. You said basically that if one continues to do the same thing and expect a different result they are fooling themselves.

      4. You said Republicans don't want to end Food Stamps and other social programs.

      Carl:

      1. You said my description of Republicans offended Republicans.

      2. You asked if I really believe Republicans are means spirited/heartless, etc.

      My entire 'rant' as y'all are so fond of calling things you dislike, was about the subjects specified in the lists above. I addressed each and every one, and then some. I think the real problem is that you didn't actually read it.

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      AJ, please read Carl's and my comments again. The "evil" generalities you spewed forth did not even relate to the content of our entries.

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      Carl 4 years ago

      @Jimi

      I started to write a response, but the more I read into your rant, I just figured screw it. What's the point?

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      Mr. Cell and Carl, you need to dig out your ears because that's all Republicans talk about is how lazy good for nothings are getting a free ride with Food stamps and other social programs. They never say a word about the subsidies that go to corporations or the bankers who stole 7 Trillion $s from the American people.

      Republicans have already cut education funding, pull your head out. They want to cut it even more! Every school is feeling the pain of having to cut programs and teachers, and most have already done so. All the way from Head Start to financial aid for university students, funding has been sharply cut.

      All I hear are Republicans whining because they object to social programs that help people. Wars? Wars are beloved of Republicans and you never hear them complain about paying taxes for wars. Wars don't help anybody, they just kill and destroy. That tells me that Republicans love to kill and destroy and they hate to help anyone in even the smallest way.

      Republicans complain about Medicaid, MediCare, Aid for Dependent Children, Food Stamps, Financial Aid for universities and colleges and more. Yes, they even gripe when a woman gets an abortion and then they gripe if she doesn't and they have to help support her baby! The very same guy who got her pregnant will often be the loudest complainer of all!! Republicans have no logic.

      Republicans never complain about war. They never complain about subsidizing big business/corporations.

      Just so you know, I was born at home as were my siblings. We had gas lights, no electricity, and no running water in our house. We had a 2-holer outhouse (prestige), and no telephone. Catalogs, no toilet tissue. One car that my father used to get to work and back, 60 miles round trip. Food came from our garden. Even so, we weren't poor compared to people in general.

      Poor is when you have needs that you can't obtain because you can't get a job. Most employers STILL will not even consider hiring someone who is unemployed. That's mean spirited.

      Most employers, like my dear friend's employer cut her hours as punishment even though they know she may have to live in her car as a result. They don't care. That's mean spirited. Murderers, rapists, and thieves are treated better in our society than somebody who doesn't kiss the boss's ass.

      Many wages have been driven down as a result of the Market Crash of 2008 thanks to Bush Administration policies. Prices have in fact gone up and sharply.

      Nowadays most people can't just go out and cut down a tree for firewood the way we could when I was growing up in the country. Most people have no place for a garden. Today's poor are homeless, thanks to the banking industry and politicians who enabled them.

      With businesses refusing to hire people when they can, and often unable to hire people because there is no demand for what they offer, many more people than what is reported have no work, or not enough work to make ends meet. Yet our Republican House wants to cut social programs at a time when they are needed most. That's mean spirited and heartless.

      Yes, votes matter. They have consequences. If you vote against universal healthcare and Medicaid, you are voting for the status quo -- more than 50,000 people die every year because they have no access to healthcare -- that's the status quo. If you vote to continue that system instead of improving on it, you're mean spirited, heartless, and yes, evil. So yes, mean spirited, heartless, ignorant, and more also applies to supporters of Republican politicians. Why would anyone support a politician they mostly disagree with?

      If you are among the many Republicans who whine about someone getting a couple hundred dollars in Food Stamps which they have to qualify for over and over again to continue getting, then you are mean spirited, heartless, and down right evil. What kind of person denies people food and needed healthcare? I've already answered that.

      There is no such thing as a half evil person. It's all or none. If a person is so heartless they would deny people healthcare and food, then they have nothing of value to offer. They are pure evil.

      I live in a sea of Republicans and I work in the midst of Republicans. My whole family is Republican and has been my whole life. I know Republicans, and I hear what they have to say about these things many times a day. Don't try to tell me what Republicans say or don't say. I hear what they have to say daily. Pull your heads out guys.

      Or maybe it's just the natural instinct of Republicans to deny what they know is true rather than taking 'personal responsibility?' Maybe that is what causes y'all to say Republicans are not against social programs? You may think your lies impress people, but only the cognitively challenged are impressed, and even they are mainly concerned with fitting in. They aren't capable of thinking it through, they just know they want to get along with the loudest mouths in the neighborhood or workplace.

      Like it or not, 'Republican' is a nasty word in many circles because of what it stands for. No one likes to see wastefulness, but even the most efficient mega company has wastefulness no matter how they try to get rid of it. That's because humans are fallible. The U.S. government is many times bigger than the biggest international company, so it shouldn't surprise you that there will be some waste, and of course Republicans will focus on it to the exclusion of all else.

      Yes, if one person gets Food Stamps whom a Republican deems undeserving, they then demand that the program be scrapped entirely. Personally, I think if one person driving a red vehicle gets a speeding ticket that speeding tickets should be delivered to all red vehicle drivers -- they're all the same aren't they? Makes as much sense as Republican logic about waste.

      Food Stamps need to be usable at fast food restaurants because homeless people have no place to cook. I've heard that homeless people can now get food stamps; they didn't used to be able to. No address? No food. That's certainly kind and considerate don't you think? Of course you do because you're Republicans. Anyone deserving of Food Stamps would have a place to cook wouldn't they? Republicans have no logic.

      Tea Baggers are even worse. Yup, just when you thought no one could be more mean spirited and heartless, along come the Tea Baggers.

      I agree that if we want some positive changes in our government and in our lives people are going to have to stop voting Republican. Stop voting for obstuctionism. Continuing to vote the same way all the time and expecting a different result is illogical.

      I don't concern myself with people on the other side of my argument. They're beyond reasoning -- remember my example about the dog? I don't waste time on people who will never get it. You'd probably have more success at trying to teach the mentally challenged bag person at the grocery store how to fly a 747.

      When people are so thoroughly evil, nothing is going to change their minds -- or their hearts if they had one.

      Do you know it was Reagan who first wanted to pass universal healthcare? Yup, and guess who blocked it because he didn't want Reagan to get that feather in his cap? Ted Kennedy. Yup, just goes to show that Republicans only do what their leaders tell them to, think what their leaders tell them to think. In fact universal healthcare was initially a Republican idea -- back before evil infiltrated the Party and it's supporters. Most Republicans would never imagine universal healthcare nowadays -- true it costs less overall, but the kicker is that fewer people die, and that's unacceptable to Republicans who love war, and anything really that brings about death (other than their own).

      Also shows that politicians, regardless of Party, are only out for themselves. The don't give a damn about the people.

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      Carl 4 years ago

      @Jimi

      "I choose Democrats because they have compassion and look out more for the less fortunate in this world. The Republicans are the selfish, greedy, mean spirited Party that are slashing education funding and ending Food Stamps and even wanting to do away with MediCare and Social Security."

      Your paragraph started out well. I can respect that you vote Democrat because you agree more with their social policies. I don't feel the same way, but that's okay. It's the last part of your paragraph that makes people on the other side essentially disregard your whole argument. Do you honestly believe that every Republican is "selfish, greedy, mean spirited?" Does that characterization apply to all those who vote for them too?

      I agree with you about choosing the lesser of two evils. For me, that choice is to vote for a Republican. I lean more Libertarian, but they have not had a candidate with enough support to win an election yet.

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      Aunt Jimi, when I was a small child my family lived in a home without bathrooms. We bathed in a metal tub, used an outhouse and had no air conditioning. I am qualified to speak about being poor.

      I am not so sure that Republicans are interested in slashing education funding; rather Republicans believe that education is better administered locally. The federal government, through the power of appropriation, has steadily increased its influence in this area and look what has happened: Our students once led the world; now we are not even in the top 10 in any subject. In other words, Aunt Jimi, "if you keep on doing what you've already done, you keep on getting what you've already got."

      (Kirbyjohn Caldwell, a Methodist minister in Houston) Star Parker has written that black citizens are increasingly aware that the education system is not providing proper education.

      It could be, I suppose, that there is a Republican somewhere who wants to end the Food Stamp program, I certainly have never heard a Republican say he wants to get rid of Medicare or Social Security. However it is beyond debate that such programs are corrupt, both from the administration and the recipients. Also, these programs have another feature: they are psychological traps. Very few who receive such "entitlements" improve their financial situation so that they no longer need the benefits. How is that good for the country? We will not come up with a solution to this situation unless we first acknowledge the problem.

      We have established our common ground, Aunt Jimi. In addition to my concern with the march toward a welfare state, we both realize that the corporate world, including banks and big businesses, are strangling the people and that both parties are culpable. There are remedies for this situation, and if we stopped attacking each other, I would wager we could figure something out.

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      The truth is usually somewhere in the middle is correct, however we are forced to choose between 2 evils and so we choose the lesser of them.

      I choose Democrats because they have compassion and look out more for the less fortunate in this world. The Republicans are the selfish, greedy, mean spirited Party that are slashing education funding and ending Food Stamps and even wanting to do away with MediCare and Social Security.

      Not a lot of difference between the Parties in many ways, but when you're down and out that teeny hairs breath difference can mean everything.

      No matter if you get to the truth or not, you will have to choose between the 2 evils. So the important thing is to choose the less evil regardless of where the truth is. Republicans have no compassion and think it's a foreign word, Democrats offer the occasional crumb.

      If one is super fast and collects one's crumb before the Republicans swoop in and grab it quicker than the grinch can steal Christmas, one may manage to live another day to struggle out of the poverty the wealthy have dug them into. If you've never been poor, you have no idea what it's like and no authority to speak about it.

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      Carl 4 years ago

      Also Shyron,

      I am trying to discuss things with you. That dialogue isn't possible when Libery Cell is always claiming the right is just and when you are always backing the left. The truth is somewhere in the middle, but there really are bad people wanting to do us harm and it isn't always based on us acting first. Unfortunately, I think we are going to see a new war soon. Whether you like Barack Obama or not, he has not done enough to contain it.

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      Carl 4 years ago

      Also, I dont know if you guys have seen this documentary on the war in Afghanistan. It's from Vice (which is liberal), but it is probably the best I have seen so far.

      http://www.vice.com/vice-news/this-is-what-winning...

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      Carl 4 years ago

      @Shyron

      "I don't see Afghanistan as a mistake until Tora Bora, when GWB turned his back on that war to start one with Iraq. That war was not only a mistake, it was an evil mistake that cost a lot of lives."

      I agree with you. The U.S. military and government allowed the Afghans to take part in the operation. That was a huge mistake and Al Qaeda bribed their way out.

      The problem bringing Iraq into your argument on Tora Bora is that Tora Bora happened on 2001. If you want to argue that Afghanistan was neglected in 2003-2005, that's another issue. Again though, I think we should have been out by early 2002 at the latest.

      If you're wondering about my background during those years, I was active duty military and I was young. Hindsight is 20/20. I definitely supported the invasion of Afghanistan. I and everyone else I knew wanted blood following 9/11. I also felt good about Iraq early on. Based on intel, almost everyone felt that Hussein was continuing his WMD program and was a threat. That includes Democrats and foreign governments prior to Bush being elected.

      You are forgetting many things about Iraq. Everyone thought Hussein was a danger and was rebuilding his WMD program. He was also misleading our intelligence agencies into believing he had WMDs and I'm still not convinced he didn't.

      Our biggest mistake is believing we can help people and that we are responsible for rebuilding their nations. I can not believe that the Iraqis allowed their country to be occupied by foreign terrorists following the U.S. invasion. I guess there are two ways of looking at it, were we better off allowing Hussein to throw Iraqis into plastic shredders to prevent terrorism or hoping for a better society?

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      LibertyCell, you are ass-uming this is the absolute truth. and you call me amazing.

      This IRS fiasco it an attempt to link it to Obama Care with the hope that it will repeal it.

      I do not worship President Obama. But, you are free to worship, Cruz, Rand Paul and any Tea Party rep. you so choose.

      I did watch the video and do not believe any of it.

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      Here's a link for liberals who worship at the throne of Obama. This video is very illustrative of the current atmosphere the "wannabe dictator" has created. He is much closer to his objective than we realize. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFALonjLay0&fea... Please give it a look.

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      Shyron you are amazing! Obama is currently stonewalling the American people regarding a number of issues and situations. When you hide behind, "national security," "executive privilege," and when your administration has people who are currently testifying, "I don't know, I can't remember, "I have recused myself" and "I plead the fifth," and when you hide people who were at Benghazi, illegally examine the phone records of the Associated Press, and even invade the privacy of a reporter and his family, Shyron, all that is indicative, to people who have eyes to see, of a president who has trouble disclosing information and who presumes to punish anyone else who tries to find it.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      @LibertyCell, thank you for your continued comments.

      I don't see Afghanistan as a mistake until Tora Bora, when GWB turned his back on that war to start one with Iraq. That war was not only a mistake, it was an evil mistake that cost a lot of lives.

      I don't see how you think that President Obama would have a hard time disclosing the information at that time. I think you will have a few surprises in the next year.

      @ Carl, thank you for your continued comments, some of which I agree with.

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      I agree. I was not clear. We should have done as you suggest, then get out. I was thinking of how tired I am of "playing to tie." With the exception of Desert Storm, it seems we have conducted wars to benefit certain defense corporations at the expense of our people and we have either lost (Vietnam) or tied (Korea). My motto regarding the use of military personnel has always been "get in it to win, or don't get in it.

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      Carl 4 years ago

      @ LibertyCell

      I'm curious to see why you thought the invasion of Afghanistan was a mistake. We were attacked by terrorists being harbored in their country and gave the Afghans a way out. I think our only mistake was thinking we could help the people rebuild themselves into what we think of as a civilized society. They simply don't want it and we have waisted our time. We should have destoyed Al Qaeda quickly with unimaginable force and left. The only reason why I think the U.S. is there now is because we have almost nothing to show for our last 11 years of involvement and don't want to admit it was a waste of money and lives.

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      Shyron, that was a surprisingly objective report, especially coming from Rachel Madden. I don't necessarily disagree with any of it. However, whatever Bush's motive was to invade Iraq, the fact remains that virtually all the leaders, regardless of party - you have seen quotes from Clinton and Kerry in the comments to his hub - thought Saddam had WMD's. So did the rest of the world. It is inconceivable that Democrats would be persuaded to that belief just because Bush said so. I remind you again that Congress approved the Iraqi invasion.

      The "Desert Storm" invasion under Bush the Elder, in my view, was handled effectively and correctly. The Iraq invasion under GWB, in my view was a mistake. Afghanistan, in my view, was a mistake.

      My own foreign policy regarding the Middle East (sans Israel) is as follows:

      1. Radical Muslims say that want us out - let's get out! No more grants, aid or financial aid of any kind.

      2. Develop our own energy sources, which are considerably more than is in the Middle East anyway, and tell them to "eat their oil." Meanwhile encourage, even enforce if necessary real research and development of alternative energy sources.

      3. Force an agreement between Israel and the Palestinians, then announce we will wait for the barbaric Muslims to evolve into the 21st century and otherwise ignore them, unless they harm Israel, when all hell will break loose.

      While watching the report, I could not help but notice that documents were referenced that would not have been forthcoming if Obama were the president at the time. Things are getting very hot for Obama right now. I hope you and your buddies will objectively view the events to come as the truth is slowly revealed.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      LibertyCell, you did not read Making the Case for War http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pupx1OahC7E

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Suzanne, I did not know that donkeys could fight off coyotes. My friend Maurine never said anything about it, only that her dogs guarded the other animals from the coyotes.

      That is a good thing to know.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      @ Carl,

      I do not intend to argue with you, and you have a right to like whom ever you choose. But what I learned about Bush in the mid 1970s. I have hundreds of articles about the Bush family.

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      Carl 4 years ago

      @Shyron

      I'm just not in the mood to argue. I like Bush better than Obama, and unless some new info comes out, I probably always will. Did you see this one by Jon Stewart? He's a liberal and a comedian, but he has some good points on this one.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XKBqcIEOXM

      @Suzanne

      I'll have to look into having a donkey. I had no idea that they could take care of coyotes. I don't go after them, but it's nice to know a donkey can defend itself if they come around. I've had my dog get into with coyotes on the other side of my fence, but I was able to grab him and get him inside before any physical contact occurred. The only animal I'll shoot on sight out here are rattlesnakes. Western diamondbacks are just too dangerous to have around.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Suzanne, you are so right. http://www.glcq.com/trans.htm

      but some people will forever believe W's lies

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      @ Shyron: Actually, donkeys fight off coyotes! That's what people get them for. They guard herds of cattle, sheep and so on and stomp the coyotes into the ground! :) I plan to get a nanny goat or cow to keep Ray company and give him a job protecting it. It will make him happy! :)

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      George was like the previous post he wore the uniform but did not do the training or serving in any capacity. http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500164_162-641984.html

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      Shyron, nobody I know claims WMD's were there, the intelligence community worldwide had thought so, though. Here is a fact that came from the LINK YOU POSTED:

      "He [Kerry] is claiming I misled America about weapons when HE, HIMSELF, CITED THE VERY SAME INTELLIGENCE ABOUT SADDAM'S WEAPONS PROGRAMS AS THE REASON HE VOTED TO GO TO WAR" Bush said. Citing a lengthy Kerry quote from two years ago on the threat Hussein could pose, Bush said, "Just who's the one trying to mislead the American people?"

      That Shyron, is the truth. It can be documented because Bush received Congressional approval before invading Iraq, while your hero Obama did not prior to invading Libya.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      ??? Responding/Preventing, what?

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      @Carl, I never thought I would hear a rep. who is suppose to be working for FEMA admit that he would sit on the sidelines and watch others do the work that he/you were getting paid to do.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      @LibertyCell, you presume to have facts. Here are some facts for you: October 8th, 2004 The San Diego Union-Tribune: http://www.public-action.com/911/no-wmd-sdut/

      WASHINGTON – President Bush and his vice president conceded yesterday in the clearest terms yet that Saddam Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction, trying to shift the Iraq war debate to a new issue – whether the invasion was justified because Hussein was abusing a U.N. oil-for-food program.

      Bush's response was his first reaction to a report released Wednesday by Charles Duelfer, the CIA's top weapons inspector, that contradicted the White House's main argument for invading Iraq.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      @Carl,

      see answer to PQ or is that you?

      Still not good enough for you??? President Bush Admits Iraq Had No WMDs and 'Nothing' to Do With 9/11 http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2006/08/22/182996...

      by Democracy Now (reposted)

      Tuesday Aug 22nd, 2006 9:54 AM

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      @ Patriot Quest

      www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M-ClS5uwNo

      www.youtube.com/watch?v=18M70UgmV40

      www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSN-Kku_rFE‎

      www.democracynow.org/.../president_bush_admits...‎

      Iraq nothing to do with 9/11

      http://www.democracynow.org/2006/8/22/president_bu...

      Former US President George W Bush still has "a sickening feeling" about the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, US media report. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-11680239‎

      October 8th, 2004 The San Diego Union-Tribune: http://www.public-action.com/911/no-wmd-sdut/

      WASHINGTON – President Bush and his vice president conceded yesterday in the clearest terms yet that Saddam Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction, trying to shift the Iraq war debate to a new issue – whether the invasion was justified because Hussein was abusing a U.N. oil-for-food program.

      Bush's response was his first reaction to a report released Wednesday by Charles Duelfer, the CIA's top weapons inspector, that contradicted the White House's main argument for invading Iraq.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Suzanne, thank you. I agree with you!

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thanks Aunt Jimi, I agree with you. Maybe his pants with WMDs!

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Suzanne, for setting Carl straight.

      I wish I could rescue a donkey but don't have the room or shelter for one, and the coyotes would get him.

      My friend Maurene had a donkey, but she had Akbash dogs to protect him, there is a picture of him in "What are Green Eggs and Ham."

      Also, here is one of the reasons I was not on here much this week, My grandson singing.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8MTnK-tlRE

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JYvju679bk

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      Bush was AWOL as a fighter pilot in the National Guard... He never saw any active duty, and he barely showed up for drills.

      Anyway - glad you like my donkey. There are lots of free donkeys on Craigslist. One person has an ad up for 7 free donkeys - "Take them away". It would be awesome if you could rescue a donkey or two because this is exactly the kind of ad that attracts kill buyers to pick them up and ship them off for slaughter. They are excellent pets! :)

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      Carl 4 years ago

      Also Suzanne,

      George Bush was a fighter pilot and wore a flight suit as his uniform. He flew the F-102, which was an extremely difficult aircraft to fly. It wasn't nearly as bad as Michael Dukakis riding around in a tank.

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      Carl 4 years ago

      @Suzanne

      Talking to you guys has reminded me of something very important. That is that being aggressive and arguing gets us nowhere. I realize that I am probably more guilty of those activities than you.

      If we were neighbors, we would probably get along great. Your donkey is awesome. I am also an animal lover and it's nice to see he has a good home. I have an acre and a half here in Texas and could definitely use his help right now. We have received a fair amount of rain lately in my area and the grass is growing like crazy.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      Anyway, talkin' about Bush's legacy, I found it dubious at the time when Dumbya was strutting around on that aircraft carrier in his little flight suit with his "Mission Accomplished" banner unfurled. He was basically saying, "OK! War's over! We won! You can stop trying to kill us now!"

      I thought at the time, "You have got to be kidding! Do you really think they're just going to accede because you say they should after we attacked them for no reason?"

      'Course he was wrong about that. Guess that's the legacy he wants to protect.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      You are so right, my friend. Appreciate you.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      @ LibertyCell, I did not assume/imply that you know Roger and I don't blame you if you don't want to be associated with him, (as a matter of fact, I think I may know who he is.) If he is the Roger I know, I don't think he would want me to tell you about him.

      Please copy and paste where I called you a name other than LibertyCell, which is what you call yourself!

      President Obama, does not say "not one dime" as to the local and county governments.

      Don't be embarrassed for me. Have you ever heard the saying:

      "You can fool some of the people all the time" (are you and Roger in this group?)

      "And all the people some of the time" (these are the people Roger listed)

      "But you can't fool all the people all of the time" (I, Aunt Jimi are in this group, and most of the people Roger listed have moved to this group, because they learned the truth.)

      Bush did not make a miscalculation, the braggart deliberately LIED!

      April 30, 2013

      Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Martin Dempsey said Tuesday that although he believes that al-Qaida’s core has been decimated, he doesn’t believe the al-Qaida threat has been.

      My understanding of what the president has said is that the ‘al-Qaida core’ has been decimated,” Dempsey said at a lunch for reporters sponsored by the Christian Science Monitor.

      “You know, the ideology, or the movement, has clearly spread to the Arab peninsula to Horn of Africa to North Africa to West Africa. And the president has been very clear that he recognizes the al-Qaida threat among its affiliates persists. But the al-Qaida core — that is to say those responsible for the 9/11 attacks and al-Qaida senior leadership that have heretofore provided their kind of ideological hierarchy — they have been, they have been decimated.”

      And you, LibertyCell have the gall to tell me that I have to concede the simple truth, when you haven't a clue what the truth is.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Suzanne, thank you, thank you. I watched this interview. It was so hard for *itch McConnell to talk with both feet in his mouth, as with most of the GOP/tea party they have foot in mouth disease. I loved when David asked him a question and after he answered, David showed him a clip from ten years ago, that contradicted what he said today.

      Thank you also for the transcript. I was going to look for it.

      http://www.politicususa.com/mitch-mcconnell-crashe

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      Mitch McConnell Crashes and Burns When Pressed for Evidence of Obama Scandal

      "Basically, Sen. McConnell admitted that Republicans don’t have any evidence to back up their IRS allegations. They are investigating an Obama connection to the IRS scandal because they are falsely attributing some beliefs to him that he does not hold.

      "McConnell’s culture of intimidation talking point was supposed to act as justification for all of the congressional investigations.

      "Minority Leader McConnell never thought that David Gregory would ask him for evidence to back up his accusations. McConnell’s claim about Obamacare was a lie. The directive was sent out because insurance companies were sending their Medicare customers confusing and deceptive mailings designed to whip up opposition to Obamacare. His claim about the FCC was based on an attempt by the commission to require local stations to post online the names of those who purchase television campaign ads. Mitch McConnell views openness and transparency as part of Obama’s culture of intimidation.

      "McConnell’s complaint about the SEC also involved Citizens United. The SEC is considering a disclosure rule that would require publicly traded companies report to shareholders all of their political donations. According to McConnell, trying to stop billionaires from secretly buying our government is Obama intimidation.

      "Republicans have been screaming about an Obama culture of corruption since the president took office, but when asked to prove their allegations, they offer zilch. Without even realizing it McConnell proved that all of these “Obama scandals” are nothing more than political fishing trips. Congressional Republicans are hoping to find something to confirm their conspiracies about this president."

      Full article and video here:

      http://www.politicususa.com/mitch-mcconnell-crashe...

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      Shyron, I think it's time for you to eject the trolls. :)

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      "If you were wondering why Republicans can’t stop screaming hysterically about fictional persecutions and scandals, it’s because the deficit is no longer their Big Thing. The “emergency” of the deficit – so important that Republicans had to risk global fiscal confidence – took a backseat to constantly shifting, hysterical and unfounded scandals du jour recently. It turns out that ‘the President’s policies are contributing to the most rapid deficit reduction since World War II.’ Ouch. Change subject!"

      http://bit.ly/GOPScandalMill

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      Such drama! Such assumption! Such venom! ::)

      "On Tuesday, it looked like we had three possible political scandals brewing. Two days later, with much more evidence available, it doesn’t look like any of them will pan out. "

      http://bit.ly/CookieCrumbles

      Of course, we can always fall back on "umbrella-gate"! :D

      http://pinterest.com/justmesuzanne/umbrella-gate/

      Even Obama's Umbrellas Are A Scandal Now!

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/...

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      Ameba, you are such a wag! Call yourself a zero if you want, you're probably right about that. Otherwise your little rant proved what I just got done writing -- Republicans always accuse everyone else of doing what in fact they are themselves doing -- as a way of distracting from their lies.

      Really sticks in your craw that I know YOU are Mike Roger Carl doesn't it? Toldja, got yer number, zero is it?

      You are so funny, Mr. Cell. I can barely type from laughing. Anyway, enough merriment for one night and off to bed I go . . . ;)

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      Aunt Jimi, the number you have got is "zero." You and Suzanne need to turn your attention to the scandals facing your master. All your bile and all 147 of Suzanne's IQ points may be needed to help deflect, distract, distort, ignore, blame Bush, lie and name-call during the investigations ahead.

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      Republicans will never stop accusing other people of doing what they are themselves doing in order to distract people from the truth.

      Republicans will also always yell "personal responsibility!" even though they never NEVER take any responsibility for their own words and actions. Never.

      The only thing Dubya ever did right was to sign the partial-birth abortion ban into law. I wouldn't want to see abortion made illegal, but that particular procedure was egregiously wrong.

      Except for signing that bill banning partial-birth abortions, GW did nothing right. Nothing. It's an insult to compare his administration to any other president's administration regardless of party. Even Nixon accomplished more, even if he was a crook.

      Does anybody remember what this hub is about?

      Mr. Cell, why don't you just write under your own name instead of all these pseudonyms, Mike, Roger, and now Carl. Gotcher number Ameba.

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      Carl 4 years ago

      @ Suzanne

      I don't expect that the situation at FEMA has improved under the Obama administration.

      I also so not think now is the time to praise Obama's handling of the current scandals. Nixon resigned over much less.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      Carl, Bush dragged his feet declaring both 9/11 and Katrina. Applications that were taken by unskilled temps (all of them) had many, many problems and spent needless time languishing in duplicate resolution or were simply rejected because information was taken incorrectly. Additionally, the Bush Regime chose 9/11 to trot out it's all-new online self-registry, which was a disaster in itself. If an applicant makes a mistake during registration (even a very small one) the applicant must then produce documentation to prove the validity of necessary changes. This is hard for people whose homes, banks, and documents have been destroyed.

      Taking a proper application for disaster assistance requires good interpersonal skills, a thorough understanding of the laws governing disaster assistance, experience and more. Believe me, the handling of 9/11 and Katrina were seriously bungled because of the temps hired to do jobs that should have been done by experienced personnel and the introduction of online registry at a critical time during a major disaster.

      As an aside, I worked both in registration intake and as a human services rep resolving problems and providing further assistance as needed. These jobs were both perfectly suited to the training I received in the military as a Behavioral Science Specialist. I enjoyed my work, and I was good at it. All of us at FEMA under Clinton were proud of the work we were doing for our country and our fellow citizens. That changed dramatically under Bush as we were cut off at the knees and treated like cogs in a wheel while disaster survivors were thrown under the bus so that corporate entities could line their pockets with taxpayer dollars.

      The Bush Regime also hired soldiers of fortune (Blackwater) to patrol the disaster area during Katrina. These people terrified the survivors. I know. I got the calls. They harassed them and treated them like dirt. People were herded around like cattle. Believe me, the fact that people were put up in far flung hotels and sporting arenas puts the lie to the notion that there are "FEMA camps". If we had them, we certainly could have used them during Katrina!

      The lack of organization that ruled throughout both disasters and the changes in the rules governing distribution of funds cost taxpayers a fortune, and this had not been the case in the 8 years prior under Clinton.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      I have not worked at FEMA since 2004. I was at FEMA throughout the Clinton Administration and into the Bush Regime. What I have said (in detail) is that when Bush seized power it was quite apparent to FEMA employees that destroying FEMA from the inside out was an undeclared priority. I do not know if things at FEMA have improved under the Obama administration because I do not work at FEMA now. I do know what I saw and experienced when I did work there and that is what I have stated.

      Separately:

      "The GOP’s Benghazi house of cards has collapsed, and now Democrats are eviscerating Darrell Issa and his fellow Republicans for overreaching and politicizing a tragedy....There is no cover-up, but Republicans keep moving the goalposts in their never ending quest to find the scandal that never was."

      http://www.politicususa.com/benghazi-backfires-rep...

      Here's a funny video a FaceBook friend made a while back:

      http://bit.ly/TheIssaHole

      :D

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      Carl 4 years ago

      @ Suzanne

      You sound like a low-level government employee at FEMA that doesn't understand that government bureaucracy has a knack for screwing things up. If you can show that FEMA has improved during the Obama administration AND it was due to his policies, I would be more than happy to listen.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      LC: When a person begins an account by saying that the account is made up of his or her own experience, it is understood that the information to follow is an opinion piece. I conveyed exactly what I personally observed. This is an acceptable form of reportage.

      The Bush Regime systematically destroyed FEMA from the inside out. I saw it happen. Before Bush, FEMA was the crown jewel of federal agencies. It was a popular agency that did exactly what it was supposed to and did it well. It was also an excellent place to work.

      The Bush Regime destroyed that, made it the target of vitriol by so called "conservatives" and then handed it over to President Obama. By the time Sandy came along, FEMA was in a shambles. It will take a lot of work to get it back to its former level of efficient and effective functioning.

      LIE:

      MAY 29, 2003: Bush: We found the WMD

      We found the weapons of mass destruction. [Bush, 5/29/03]

      http://bit.ly/SoYouKnow

      "George W. Bush defied embarrassment and slew it with a series of Orwellian flourishes."

      http://bit.ly/Unilateral

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      Carl 4 years ago

      Also, please notice I said responding in my last post, not preventing.

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      Carl 4 years ago

      "He had seasoned FEMA reps such as myself with 10+ years of experience sitting on the sidelines doing filing and busywork while inexperienced temps took the applications for 9/11 and Katrina."

      I think the U.S. actually did a good job responding to 9/11. I think things would have gone better with Katrina if we didn't have the residents shooting at rescuers and local police looting along with the criminals.

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      @Suzanne, you attack Patriot on his "laughable" facts, then proceed to pile on the opinion yourself. Your perspective on FEMA may be right on, but if your were to acknowledge the facts, the Obama administration performed no better after Sandy, regardless of how much Christy kissed up to Obama. The press just let him off, that's all. The so called "bald face lie" regarding Hussein's WMD's was a "lie" that was in fact perpetrated by virtually every intelligence gathering agency in the world. Bush motives may have been to follow in his father's footsteps or even to benefit Cheney's Halliburton, but YOU DON'T KNOW THAT! Don't attack others for their lack of facts until you figure out what a fact is.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      @"Patriot"

      "Nothing you say will get them to look at the facts. They are forgetting how we all felt almost 12 years ago whrn America was attacked. Thousands of Americans died and Americans wanted to get those behind the attack."

      Puh-leeze! Your "facts" are laughable, and your grasp of history is deplorable. Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11. Bush just wanted an excuse to invade it and follow in his father's footsteps.

      FYI: When Bush seized power, even though I had not voted for him I said, "OK, let's give him a chance and see what he does." Then I saw what he did. My opinion of him was formed by watching him on the television in the break room at FEMA during the time that I worked 9/11 and Katrina and by the direct effect his regime had on my employment.

      Here's what he did.

      He pulled the 600+ page Patriot Act out of his hat and rushed it through congress just a couple of days after 9/11, thereby infringing upon our freedoms and curtailing our rights as American citizens.

      He got us into an unnecessary, unjust, immoral war (based on bald faced lies) against a people who had done nothing to us for the purpose of pouring our treasury into Halliburton's coffers. We did not need all those private sector "support services". We had already paid to have military personnel trained to do all of the things Halliburton was supposedly doing for us. In any case, the fact that the war, itself was bogus made the services that much more bogus.

      He stirred everyone up in a frenzy of yellow, orange and red alerts that caused FEMA (and other government employees) to practically be strip searched before driving through the gates AND walking through the doors each and every day, thereby violating our 4th Amendment right to freedom from unreasonable search.

      He stood at ground zero with his arm draped around a toothless old firefighter with a 'cat that ate the canary' smirk on his face that clearly said, "Dang! This is going even better than I thought it would."

      He had seasoned FEMA reps such as myself with 10+ years of experience sitting on the sidelines doing filing and busywork while inexperienced temps took the applications for 9/11 and Katrina. These temps who had no FBI background checks wrought havoc with people's personal information and made a huge mess of applications in both disasters. This did not save taxpayers a dime. The federal government paid the same amount of money to the temp agency (which was run by a former FEMA executive director) as it had paid to individuals before. This was just an attempt to funnel federal dollars into a corporate pocket.

      He changed the rules of the Stafford Act which governs the distribution of disaster assistance. Under his regime, out of state corporate carpetbaggers and scalawags could attain block grants and swarm all over Florida and Louisiana doing cut rate inferior work with undocumented alien labor while pocketing most of the grant money and stockpiling building materials for their own future use. FYI: That grant money was originally intended to benefit the disaster survivors directly and provide work and economic stimulus to the local economy.

      He stood up in front of the American people and said,

      "I don't care what protesters think."

      "I don't care how history sees me. I'll be dead."

      I heard him say these things. I heard him say one jaw-dropping, un-American thing after another day after day, but the fact that everything he said was wrapped up in pseudo-patriotic jingoism and macho posturing just made it palatable to people who don't really know their rights, the contents of the constitution or anything about history.

      He changed the rules at FEMA so that seasoned workers such as myself were forced to take ineptly prepared "tests" to retain our jobs. If we passed these "tests" we were forced to take a cut in pay. In my opinion, FEMA was the testing ground for the current nationwide destruction of worker's rights. I resigned rather than submit to this indignity.

      So, that's just what I saw and experienced myself at the hands of the Bush Regime. There was far more than that going on. In my opinion, there has been an undeclared war waged against We the People, our nation and our form of government by the corporate powers most specifically behind the Republican party (e.g the Koch Brothers). Bush and Cheney were tools - especially Bush. When I say that he did these things, I mean that his regime did these things.

      Corporate entities (the 1%) are attempting an overthrow of our government. They control politics, schools, prisons, our food, our water supply and everything else. They keep us at each other's throats so we won't turn around and see the man behind the curtain.

      Wise up!

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      @CARL

      WTC Eyewitness " a bomb went off in the lobby first,then a plane hit"

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCc9Pu...

      9/11 WTC Eyewitness heard explosion before WTC2 collapsed

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSIT8z...

      9/11 Eyewitness- "Flames exploded out the front of the World Trade Center"

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VoFVl...

      911 Eyewitness Nina Pineda - "ground shook/booming sound".

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b59rAk...

      911 Eyewitness ABC7 Nina Pineda - "Firebombs And Explosions."

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9zGcp...

      9/11 Eyewitness Nina Pineda -"From that last explosion it is now again dark"

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNym5V...

      9/11 WTC Eyewitness - Philip Morelli

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgyeDF...

      911 WTC EYEWITNESSES BASEMENT AND LOBBY EXPLOSIONS

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAJa8e...

      9/11 Eyewitness to molten metal David Long.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2VWhS...

      9/11 WTC Eyewitness Marlene Cruz describes basement explosions

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z51vqH...

      9/11 WTC Eyewitness Joe Torres. WABC-NY

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv-6eV...

      9/11 : WTC Eyewitness heard "large boom" before the collapse of WTC2.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo6WH8...

      9/11 WTC - NYPD Cop "numerous secondary explosions" in WTC.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWq0HE...

      9/11 WTC CNN:"When The First Tower Collapsed It Was A Massive Explosion"Patty Sabga

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAcxfS...

      WTC Eyewitness " a bomb went off in the lobby first,then a plane hit"

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCc9Pu...

      9/11 : FireFighters describe 3 Explosions After Plane Hit WTC.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Tb8g...

      9/11 :WTC Eyewitness describes explosions ( see video description) NIST F.O.I.A.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArNQF-...

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9No-L3iDJ4

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCNXxdU-5CE

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEuJimaumW4

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlnQTcLHaMM

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcWT2lQszEE

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezIU6ZxYU3A

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0eC3uns3pA

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm73wOuPL60

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_SDGb-TJcU

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&...

      AND NOW WE ARE BEING BOMBARDED WITH MESSAGES THAT OSAMA BINLADEN IS PLANNING TO ATTACK THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND I'M TELLING YOU, BE PREPARED FOR A MAJOR ATTACK. BUT IT WON'T BE OSAMA BIN LADEN. IT WILL BE THOSE BEHIND THE NWO. IT IS VERY LIKELY THAT THEY WILL STAGE A TERRORIST ATTACK AND IT IS GOING TO BE BIG ENOUGH THAT MARTIAL LAW COULD BE DECLARED.

      -BILL COOPER 6/28/2001 (3 MONTHS BEFORE 9/11)

      THE DAY BEFORE 9/11

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_p92dECEpQ

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&...

      WTC Eyewitness " a bomb went off in the lobby first,then a plane hit"

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCc9Pu...

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      Carl 4 years ago

      @ Patriot

      The people you are arguing with don't care about the truth. Their goal is to demonize Bush and promote Obama. Nothing you say will get them to look at the facts. They are forgetting how we all felt almost 12 years ago whrn America was attacked. Thousands of Americans died and Americans wanted to get those behind the attack. George Bush also gave Afghanistan a way out to avoid an invasion.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dTsbPje_6k

      As for Iraq, folks like Aunt Jemima claim that somehow George Bush brainwashed Democrats into backing the war with false intelligence. She failed to look at the date of the quotes I posted. Bill Clinton was certain Hussein was continuing his WMD program when he launched Operation Desert Fox. U.N. weapon inspectors were blocked from examining suspicious sights and Hussein did not live up to his agreements from the first Gulf War.

      Also there were numerous reports that chemical weapons were found and I know people who claim to have seen them.

      http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/14/ir...

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic...

      http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/10/wikileaks-...

      http://www.defense.gov/News/NewsArticle.aspx?ID=15...

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      Wayne Joel Bushong 4 years ago from America

      Libs love to cite Bush lied, but they never use REAL facts! You know? like the majority of Democrats voted for war? The fact intellegence around the world showed the same findings as ours? The fact armies from around the world joined in the cause? The fact Saddam threatened America on many occasions. The fact WMDs were probably moved or buried and were in fact there at one point, due to our army finding boxes of gas mask and chemical suites the Iraqi army had prepared for themselves. Bush tried hard to work with both sides of the aisle, anyone who has ever met him loved him. He cared, he was a leader, and he bled red white and blue

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      Glenda 4 years ago

      I came here to read the continuing attempting to take away from your hub and see how you handle the crazy trolls (I think that is what you hubbers call them.) I have thought of joining hubpages, but having people like the ones who make comments without reading the hub in an attempt to make it about their topic with the sole purpose of making the hub person look bad. Especially the political hubs.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thanks Aunt Jimi, you are so right about Dubya's funny look.

      Thank you Suzanne, for the link to another article. I will add it to my collection.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      Billionaires Now Own American Politics

      http://bit.ly/UndeclaredWar

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      Roger the Terrible! Mr. Touhy, Jr., Dubya lied to everyone touting his so-called intelligence that Hussein was stockpiling and even manufacturing WMD. I heard it myself on television. They talked ad nauseum about the intelligence reports and convinced almost everybody that we had to go to war and destroy those WMD. They even got Colin Powell to go before a committee that was televised to explain Dubya's stupid report that was all wrong. Powell regretted doing that. I didn't buy the lies and a few other people didn't either. But, Republicans wanted blood . . .

      Roger Touhy, the Terrible, are you Ameba's twin? Or maybe you're really Ameba himself?

      Incidentally Shyron, I love that picture of Dubya at the top of this hub. He looks like he's filling something . . . ;)

      Nap time.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      @ Roger,

      First, My hub is not about President Obama, I owe you no answers to any question.

      Second, http://www.scotsman.com/news/international/bin-lad...

      Q. Are you to lazy to look things up for yourself?

      Third, george w. bush, NEVER cared about anybody, not Afghans, not our troops.

      Fourth, In spite of the fact that I knew about ben-Laden and Bush connections, for the first time I was with the President, in going after the people who attacked us on 9/11, until he turned his back on our troops in Tora Bora, and decided FOR PERSONAL REASONS, to attack Iraq.

      Fifth, "false flag" theory?

      Sixth, about me, when some of my ancestors came to this country, some of my ancestors were already here. Yes Roger, I am part Native American. My great, great grandfather(s) 3 of them were in the Civil War. I have pictures, I have proof.

      Yes Roger, I read what the people said who believed the LIES that george w. bush told, so he could go to war.

      https://hubpages.com/politics/LIES-AND-SCHEMES-LEA... or THE CASE FOR THE IRAQ WAR

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      Aunt Jimi, Thank you my friend!

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      @ LibertyCell, I did not assume/imply that you know Roger and I don't blame you if you don't want to be associated with him, (as a matter of fact, I think I may know who he is.) If he is the Roger I know, I don't think he would want me to tell you about him.

      Please copy and paste where I called you a name other than LibertyCell, which is what you call yourself!

      President Obama, does not say "not one dime" as to the local and county governments.

      Don't be embarrassed for me. Have you ever heard the saying:

      "You can fool some of the people all the time" (are you and Roger in this group?)

      "And all the people some of the time" (these are the people Roger listed)

      "But you can't fool all the people all of the time" (I, Aunt Jimi are in this group, and most of the people Roger listed have moved to this group, because they learned the truth.)

      Bush did not make a miscalculation, the braggart deliberately LIED!

      April 30, 2013

      Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Martin Dempsey said Tuesday that although he believes that al-Qaida’s core has been decimated, he doesn’t believe the al-Qaida threat has been.

      My understanding of what the president has said is that the ‘al-Qaida core’ has been decimated,” Dempsey said at a lunch for reporters sponsored by the Christian Science Monitor.

      “You know, the ideology, or the movement, has clearly spread to the Arab peninsula to Horn of Africa to North Africa to West Africa. And the president has been very clear that he recognizes the al-Qaida threat among its affiliates persists. But the al-Qaida core — that is to say those responsible for the 9/11 attacks and al-Qaida senior leadership that have heretofore provided their kind of ideological hierarchy — they have been, they have been decimated.”

      And you, LibertyCell have the gall to tell me that I have to concede the simple truth, when you haven't a clue what the truth is.

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      @faythef

      www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vSzdOPz1X0

      May 8, 2013 - Uploaded by nomorcocktails

      May 8, 2013?

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      At LibertyCell, Man you are a sore loser, you are calling President Obama a FOOL anyone who voted for him a FOOL? And you dare to call yourself a Christian, Maybe you should read Matt. 5:22 or maybe not, you could always claim that you did not know what it says.

      On top of that you accuse me of calling you names!

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      @ Roger, I have a copy of this transcript from 1998, but you did not post it in its entirety. And I realize we are limited on comment size.

      What does this video about Benghazi? which happened September 11, 2012

      @faythef

      www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vSzdOPz1X0

      May 8, 2013 - Uploaded by nomorcocktails

      May 8, 2013?

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      Faythe F. 4 years ago from USA

      @ Roger..he is dispicable and not to be trusted..he is either lying to get what he wants or whining because he didn't

      How dare the U.S. Senate be concerned about voting against their constituents and fear them throwing them out? What were they thinking...? LOL

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      Roger 4 years ago

      @ faythef

      "Shyron..Is this one of the videos..you wanted to see.....

      Its clearly Obama..saying this: http://youtu.be/2vSzdOPz1X0"

      At that time he clearly knew it to be a lie. I'm not sure if he thought the truth would never come out or if he just wanted to hide it until after the election. I'm really curious.

      He has shown his arrogance and his contempt for the American public and their representatives on multiple occasions when they dare to disagree with him. A perfect example of this is his speech after the failed gun ban.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEOP4ua3_tk

      How dare the U.S. Senate be concerned about voting against their constituents and fear them throwing them out?

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      Roger 4 years ago

      16 Dec 1998

      Transcript: President Clinton explains Iraq strike

      CLINTON: Good evening.

      Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.

      Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world.

      Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons.

      I want to explain why I have decided, with the unanimous recommendation of my national security team, to use force in Iraq; why we have acted now; and what we aim to accomplish.

      Six weeks ago, Saddam Hussein announced that he would no longer cooperate with the United Nations weapons inspectors called UNSCOM. They are highly professional experts from dozens of countries. Their job is to oversee the elimination of Iraq's capability to retain, create and use weapons of mass destruction, and to verify that Iraq does not attempt to rebuild that capability.

      The inspectors undertook this mission first 7.5 years ago at the end of the Gulf War when Iraq agreed to declare and destroy its arsenal as a condition of the ceasefire.

      The international community had good reason to set this requirement. Other countries possess weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles. With Saddam, there is one big difference: He has used them. Not once, but repeatedly. Unleashing chemical weapons against Iranian troops during a decade-long war. Not only against soldiers, but against civilians, firing Scud missiles at the citizens of Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Iran. And not only against a foreign enemy, but even against his own people, gassing Kurdish civilians in Northern Iraq.

      The international community had little doubt then, and I have no doubt today, that left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will use these terrible weapons again.

      The United States has patiently worked to preserve UNSCOM as Iraq has sought to avoid its obligation to cooperate with the inspectors. On occasion, we've had to threaten military force, and Saddam has backed down.

      Faced with Saddam's latest act of defiance in late October, we built intensive diplomatic pressure on Iraq backed by overwhelming military force in the region. The UN Security Council voted 15 to zero to condemn Saddam's actions and to demand that he immediately come into compliance.

      Eight Arab nations -- Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, United Arab Emirates and Oman -- warned that Iraq alone would bear responsibility for the consequences of defying the UN.

      When Saddam still failed to comply, we prepared to act militarily. It was only then at the last possible moment that Iraq backed down. It pledged to the UN that it had made, and I quote, a clear and unconditional decision to resume cooperation with the weapons inspectors.

      I decided then to call off the attack with our airplanes already in the air because Saddam had given in to our demands. I concluded then that the right thing to do was to use restraint and give Saddam one last chance to prove his willingness to cooperate.

      I made it very clear at that time what unconditional cooperation meant, based on existing UN resolutions and Iraq's own commitments. And along with Prime Minister Blair of Great Britain, I made it equally clear that if Saddam failed to cooperate fully, we would be prepared to act without delay, diplomacy or warning.

      Now over the past three weeks, the UN weapons inspectors have carried out their plan for testing Iraq's cooperation. The testing period ended this weekend, and last night, UNSCOM's chairman, Richard Butler, reported the results to UN Secretary-General Annan.

      The conclusions are stark, sobering and profoundly disturbing.

      In four out of the five categories set forth, Iraq has failed to cooperate. Indeed, it actually has placed new restrictions on the inspectors. Here are some of the particulars.

      Iraq repeatedly blocked UNSCOM from inspecting suspect sites. For example, it shut off access to the headquarters of its ruling party and said it will deny access to the party's other offices, even though UN resolutions make no exception for them and UNSCOM has inspected them in the past.

      Iraq repeatedly restricted UNSCOM's ability to obtain necessary evidence. For example, Iraq obstructed UNSCOM's effort to photograph bombs related to its chemical weapons program.

      It tried to stop an UNSCOM biological weapons team from videotaping a site and photocopying documents and prevented Iraqi personnel from answering UNSCOM's questions.

      Prior to the inspection of another site, Iraq actually emptied out the building, removing not just documents but even the furniture and the equipment.

      Iraq has failed to turn over virtually all the documents requested by the inspectors. Indeed, we know that Iraq ordered the destruction of weapons-related documents in anticipation of an UNSCOM inspection.

      So Iraq has abused its final chance.

      As the UNSCOM reports concludes, and again I quote, "Iraq's conduct ensured that no progress was able to be made in the fields of disarmament.

      "In light of this experience, and in the absence of full cooperation by Iraq, it must regrettably be recorded again that the commission is not able to conduct the work mandated to it by the Security Council with respect to Iraq's prohibited weapons program."

      In short, the inspectors are saying that even if they could stay in Iraq, their work would be a sham.

      Saddam's deception has defeated their effectiveness. Instead of the inspectors disarming Saddam, Saddam has disarmed the inspectors.

      This situation presents a clear and present danger to the stability of the Persian Gulf and the safety of people everywhere. The international community gave Saddam one last chance to resume cooperation with the weapons inspectors. Saddam has failed to seize the chance.

      And so we had to act and act now.

      Let me explain why.

      First, without a strong inspection system, Iraq would be free to retain and begin to rebuild its chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs in months, not years.

      Second, if Saddam can crippled the weapons inspection system and get away with it, he would conclude that the international community -- led by the United States -- has simply lost its will. He will surmise that he has free rein to rebuild his arsenal of destruction, and someday -- make no mistake -- he will use it again as he has in the past.

      Third, in halting our air strikes in November, I gave Saddam a chance, not a license. If we turn our backs on his defiance, the credibility of U.S. power as a check against Saddam will be destroyed. We will not only have allowed Saddam to shatter the inspection system that controls his weapons of mass destruction program; we also will have fatally undercut the fear of force that stops Saddam from acting to gain domination in the region.

      That is why, on the unanimous recommendation of my national security team -- including the vice president, the secretary of defense, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, the secretary of state and the national security adviser -- I have ordered a strong, sustained series of air strikes against Iraq.

      They are designed to degrade Saddam's capacity to develop and deliver weapons of mass destruction, and to degrade his ability to threaten his neighbors.

      At the same time, we are delivering a powerful message to Saddam. If you act recklessly, you will pay a heavy price. We acted today because, in the judgment of my military advisers, a swift response would provide the most surprise and the least opportunity for Saddam to prepare.

      If we had delayed for even a matter of days from Chairman Butler's report, we would have given Saddam more time to disperse his forces and protect his weapons.

      Also, the Muslim holy month of Ramadan begins this weekend. For us to initiate military action during Ramadan would be profoundly offensive to the Muslim

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      One post was a link, the other clearly identified. You do not have an objective corpuscle! I posted them, they were references to the words of others, who have some sense and a modicum of respect for the truth. You presume to defend the most corrupt president ever. Even the fawning press is waking up. But not you! If he defecated on your head (which figuratively doing) you would accuse Bush of giving him a laxative! Your blind dogma knows no bounds. No matter what he or his crooked minions do, you will ignore, call names or blame Bush. Pathetic!

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      Faythe F. 4 years ago from USA

      AHA....I SAW THAT Aunt Jimi or is it?

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      Well Ameba, I just responded to the comments you say weren't yours, but they happen to have your name on them. Wonder how that happened? Why would you post comments you didn't agree with? Who else has access to your account? Mike and Roger?

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      I did not post a comment, I posted the comments of others. The less you have, the more you rave.

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      You are so uninformed and ignorant on this issue it boggles the mind Mr. Cell. Your scare tactics are abominable and weak minded people everywhere are likely to be drawn in. You should know better.

      Obama hasn't had a chance to do any follies. He's still trying to clean up the Dubya mess, and trying to clean up 8 years of borrow and spend in order to have so many wars going on and allowing the bankers to steal us all blind takes a while to clean up.

      We owe China less than 2 Trillion dollars. Chicken feed compared to our GNP. And what is owed is owed for the cheap plastic crap the Dollar Store has ordered from China. You need to read my hub about the national debt and then you will see exactly who is owed what.

      You people are too ridiculous for words. Who ties your shoes for you??

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      Then there is this from an editorial in the Prague newspaper Prager Zeitungon:

      "The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their president."

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/politics/1...

      Aunt Jimi, the last line of this article is, if we do nothing, we might "consider learning Mandarin."

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      Faythe F. 4 years ago from USA

      http://youtu.be/2vSzdOPz1X0

      Obama speaks

      This was two weeks into the the Bengazi attacks...

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      Democrats believed Sadam had WMD because Dubya said he did and they trusted the president to look out for this country even if he is a numbskull Republican. Turned out he couldn't be trusted and the Democrats were WRONG for trusting an idiot Republican president who cared only about getting even with Sadam for putting a hit on his daddy's head, and of course he wanted to steal the Iraqi oil.

      So, Democrats were wrong -- for trusting Dubya's information and imagining and trusting that Dubya was doing the right thing. I agree with you, they should not have trusted Dubya or his intelligence -- an oxymoron -- Dubya/intelligence.

      So now you can be embarrassed for yourself Ameba, because it was the guy YOU voted for who turned out to be untrustworthy and who led this country into a war, an invasion no less, that should never have happened. He lied to the American people about the WMD and he lied to Congress about WMD in order to get them to vote for war on his behalf. Yes, he lied to the whole world and like the Democrats the world trusted him, but they got over it quick enough and now the whole world hates Dubya. Thousands of people died as a result and it's on Dubya and his supporters that it happened.

      There is no danger that this country is going bankrupt. None. All manufactured lies by the Republicans so that can deny old people their benefits that they paid for and deny the less fortunate. They're putting the money in their own pockets. My hub shows how much the national debt really is, and it's basically the same as you having a credit card with a debt of $5,000 on it when you make 70,000 a year. It's nothing.

      You people would sell your own mother and all your kids to get a penny to contribute to war, but when it comes to helping somebody you scream bloody murder. Republicans are mean spirited heartless people and liars of the highest order.

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      Brett Schaefer is just the Heritage Foundation's version of Glen Beck. The New York Times is reporting that polls are showing the American public gives Hilary Clinton more credibility on the subject of Benghazi than they give to the Republican Congress or any Republicans period.

      For most people Benghazi is a non-issue. Republicans are getting desperate and have to make something up, I guess. Mid-terms (elections) are just around the corner. Can't wait to see how many obstructionists are voted out of office.

      Republicans are so good at making up lies, yes like the Grinch, they think them up quick! No surprise given their natural ability combined with their constant practice. Or maybe it's just y'all's inability to read accurately. Given your deductions (assuming you think which is a great leap, I know), it would follow that you have no reading comprehension ability at all. What's new?

      Anyone who can read knows the things you accuse me of are crap. It's all right here in black and white for anyone who can read.

      Everyone knows that Republicans are racist and sexist because it comes so natural to them. It is obvious every time they open their mouths or pick up a pen.

      Republican brains are so scrambled it would seem that they can't get anything right. For sure they can't read.

      Oh, and Roger, names here in the U.S. can be spelled and pronounced any way their owner wishes to do so. I gave Mr. Cell the name Ameba, so I spelled it my way. You aren't insinuating are you, Roger Dodger (all Republicans dodge the truth), that Mr. Cell is a once-celled critter? A mean thing to suggest don't you think?

      I was only referring to Ameba's thinking process endearingly, where as you are really getting down and dirty. Being one of your own, I guess perhaps you know the man better than I . . .

      Aunt Jemima is a brandname for some really excellent food products. I guess you're insinuating I'm a good cook, and the truth is that good cooks do run in my family. I do OK in the kitchen when I have the time. Are you being sexist again by saying my place is in the kitchen? Or racist by calling me by an African American's iconic name? I'm guessing both. Aunt Jemima products are very good quality, so I'm going to choose to look at it in a positive light and thank you for the compliment.

      In fact 'Mike" and 'Roger' are probably pseudonyms for Liberty Cell. Trying to make it look like there are a bunch of you ganging up when there's only one person writing under all those names. So Republican of you. If you don't have the facts, gang up and beat your misguided screwed up ideas into anyone you can.

      Learn to read. No one will ever take you seriously until you do. Twisting words to suit yourself and telling out and out lies only impresses people like yourselves -- in short, ignorant people.

      As I already said, Republicans are in the minority right now. Amazed y'all will even admit to being in that club because that party has such a bad reputation right now.

      Sports fans often maintain their support to their favorite team no matter how badly they play and keep losing, but if their team was blatantly cheating their fans might not be so loyal. Supporting a political party and its members is a different story because it actually affects people's lives, including the lives of its supporters. Only an idiot would remain loyal to a political party that keeps stomping him/her with lies, and bad legislation.

      Shame on the Republicans for using the national debt as an excuse to steal old people's Social Security benefits and healthcare, and to deny poor people healthcare and food. One of the reasons we find Conservatives, especially Republicans and worse, Tea Baggers, so repulsive is that they have no compassion.

      Lies and twisting words over meaningless issues, or over anything at all, doesn't make up for having no compassion and for being so uninformed and ignorant.

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      Roger 4 years ago

      I'm sorry, the last quote was cut off. That was from John Kerry on October 9, 2002.

      "The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation."

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      Roger 4 years ago

      As for Iraq, have you read what you liberal heroes said about Hussein and his WMD programs prior to the invasion?

      “[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.” — From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998

      “This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies.” — From a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, & Tom Lantos among others

      “Whereas Iraq has consistently breached its cease-fire agreement between Iraq and the United States, entered into on March 3, 1991, by failing to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction program, and refusing to permit monitoring and verification by United Nations inspections; Whereas Iraq has developed weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and biological capabilities, and has made positive progress toward developing nuclear weapons capabilities” — From a joint resolution submitted by Tom Harkin and Arlen Specter on July 18, 2002

      “Saddam’s goal … is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed.” — Madeline Albright, 1998

      “(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983″ — National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998

      “Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement.” — Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002

      “The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability.” — Robert Byrd, October 2002

      “There’s no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat… Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He’s had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001… He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn’t have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we.” — Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002

      “What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad’s regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs.” — Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002

      “The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow.” — Bill Clinton in 1998

      “In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security.” — Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

      “I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons…I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out.” — Clinton’s Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003

      “Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people.” — Tom Daschle in 1998

      “Saddam Hussein’s regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal.” — John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

      “The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction.” — John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

      “I share the administration’s goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction.” — Dick Gephardt in September of 2002

      “Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.” — Al Gore, 2002

      “We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.” — Bob Graham, December 2002

      “Saddam Hussein is not the only deranged dictator who is willing to deprive his people in order to acquire weapons of mass destruction.” — Jim Jeffords, October 8, 2002

      “We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.” — Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002

      “There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein’s regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed.” — Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002

      “I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force – if necessary – to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.” — John F. Kerry, Oct 2002

      “The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruct

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      Roger 4 years ago

      As expected, you didn't answer any of my questions and didn't address the fact that security funding was not the issue in Benghazi. Also, do you really believe Bin Laden was flown around on a U.S. aircraft. I hate to break the news to you, but it's just an aircraft when the president is not onboard and does not use the callsign Air Force One. Whoever wrote that pile of garbage is clueless.

      The mistake at Tora Bora was believing there were decent Afghans that could be trusted. The U.S. military should have stormed the mountains and killed Bin Laden and his senior leadership. U.S. troops should have been out of that country by December 2001. The Afghans should have been left to pick up the pieces.

      I and every American I know wanted to go after the folks behind the 9/11 attacks. The only people I see that didn't are the "false flag" theory nuts. Are you one of those? If you are, please explain why the U.S. government would kill thousands of its own people to invade a country full of rocks, sand, and crappy people.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      @ Roger and faythef:

      What I have read is that the GOP Congress cut funding for the protection of U.S. Consulates and Embassies.

      http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/10/10/98519...

      GOP Rep: I ‘Absolutely’ Voted To Cut Funding For Embassy Security

      By Ben Armbruster on Oct 10, 2012 at 12:20 pm

      Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) said today that he voted to cut funding for U.S. embassy security amid political attacks from Republicans that the Obama administration did not do enough to secure the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya that was attacked last month.

      Republicans and their allies have been trying to politicize the attack — which killed four Americans, including the U.S. Ambassador to Libya — suggesting, without evidence, the Obama administration may have ignored intelligence that the attack was imminent, didn’t properly secure the Benghazi compound and is now trying to cover it up.

      But hidden beneath the GOP campaign is the fact that House Republicans voted to cut nearly $300 million from the U.S. embassy security budget. When asked if he voted to cut the funds this morning, October 10, 2012, on CNN, Chaffetz said, “Absolutely“:

      O’BRIEN: Is it true that you voted to cut the funding for embassy security?

      CHAFFETZ: Absolutely. Look, we have to make priorities and choices in this country. We have to think about this 15,000 contractors in Iraq. We have more than 6,000 contractors, private army there for President Obama in Baghdad.

      Think about this, was that dick Chaney's Halliburton contractors

      http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/05/14/20095...

      Your sarcastic platitudes - are amusing but, from your comments it does not sound like you read my hub at all. My hub is in no way about President Obama, but because of your lack of respect for the Office of the Presidency or OUR President himself, you expect me to talk against him.

      From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, have you not heard of Wolopedia?

      Obama is a graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, where he was president of the Harvard Law Review. How do you know that President Obama had mediocre grades?

      Like me or don't like me, I don't give a RIP, and I will not criticize OUR President to appease you. BUT don't disrespect OUR country's leader, just because you want to blame him for every lowdown dirty trick and lie pulled off by GWB on our country.

      Were you are outraged when Bush stood on the deck of a ship with a braggart swagger and declared "mission accomplished?"

      Were you are outraged when Bush rounded-up the ben-Laden family and had them taken out of the country on Air Force One to Saudi Arabia?

      Were you are outraged when Bush ordered our troops to allow Osama ben Laden be allowed to escape, when he was surrounded at Tora Bora?

      Were you are outraged when Bush took us into a war with Iraq? Bush is responsible for every single American Soldier and Iraq civilian who died there.

      Were you are outraged when Mitt Romney said at the debate that President Obama did not reference terrorism in the attack on Benghazi? When it was proven that The President did say it was an act of terrorism. Were you are outraged then?

      One of you Bush cabals ASKED what is Obama's GPA and IQ. Evidently you did not read the whole thread, so I will repeat it just for you.

      According to Brett Schaefer? You and Brett Schaefer are entitled to your own opinions but not you own twisted facts!

      Per Snopes:

      On 1 November 2012, U.S. intelligence officials released an account stating the CIA had in fact rushed security operatives to the U.S. mission compound in Benghazi within half an hour of the start of the attack:

      Videos?

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      @ Roger and faythef:

      What I have read is that the GOP Congress cut funding for the protection of U.S. Consulates and Embassies.

      http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/10/10/98519...

      GOP Rep: I ‘Absolutely’ Voted To Cut Funding For Embassy Security

      By Ben Armbruster on Oct 10, 2012 at 12:20 pm

      Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) said today that he voted to cut funding for U.S. embassy security amid political attacks from Republicans that the Obama administration did not do enough to secure the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya that was attacked last month.

      Republicans and their allies have been trying to politicize the attack — which killed four Americans, including the U.S. Ambassador to Libya — suggesting, without evidence, the Obama administration may have ignored intelligence that the attack was imminent, didn’t properly secure the Benghazi compound and is now trying to cover it up.

      But hidden beneath the GOP campaign is the fact that House Republicans voted to cut nearly $300 million from the U.S. embassy security budget. When asked if he voted to cut the funds this morning, October 10, 2012, on CNN, Chaffetz said, “Absolutely“:

      O’BRIEN: Is it true that you voted to cut the funding for embassy security?

      CHAFFETZ: Absolutely. Look, we have to make priorities and choices in this country. We have to think about this 15,000 contractors in Iraq. We have more than 6,000 contractors, private army there for President Obama in Baghdad.

      Think about this, was that dick Chaney's Halliburton contractors

      http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/05/14/20095...

      Your sarcastic platitudes - are amusing but, from your comments it does not sound like you read my hub at all. My hub is in no way about President Obama, but because of your lack of respect for the Office of the Presidency or OUR President himself, you expect me to talk against him.

      From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, have you not heard of Wolopedia?

      Obama is a graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, where he was president of the Harvard Law Review. How do you know that President Obama had mediocre grades?

      Like me or don't like me, I don't give a RIP, and I will not criticize OUR President to appease you. BUT don't disrespect OUR country's leader, just because you want to blame him for every lowdown dirty trick and lie pulled off by GWB on our country.

      Were you are outraged when Bush stood on the deck of a ship with a braggart swagger and declared "mission accomplished?"

      Were you are outraged when Bush rounded-up the ben-Laden family and had them taken out of the country on Air Force One to Saudi Arabia?

      Were you are outraged when Bush ordered our troops to allow Osama ben Laden be allowed to escape, when he was surrounded at Tora Bora?

      Were you are outraged when Bush took us into a war with Iraq? Bush is responsible for every single American Soldier and Iraq civilian who died there.

      Were you are outraged when Mitt Romney said at the debate that President Obama did not reference terrorism in the attack on Benghazi? When it was proven that The President did say it was an act of terrorism. Were you are outraged then?

      One of you Bush cabals ASKED what is Obama's GPA and IQ. Evidently you did not read the whole thread, so I will repeat it just for you.

      According to Brett Schaefer? You and Brett Schaefer are entitled to your own opinions but not you own twisted facts!

      Per Snopes:

      On 1 November 2012, U.S. intelligence officials released an account stating the CIA had in fact rushed security operatives to the U.S. mission compound in Benghazi within half an hour of the start of the attack:

      Videos?

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      You need to read my reply to this to you and faythef.

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      Roger 4 years ago

      Also Shyron, this audacious attempt to lay the blame for weak embassy security on the GOP has already been debunked by a little thing called facts. According to Brett Schaefer, an expert on International Regulatory Affairs, the 2012 budget for Embassy Security combined with the Overseas Contingency Operations funds showed a net increase from 2011, and this was after a decade of enormous increases in embassy protection after the 9/11 attacks of 2001.

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      Roger 4 years ago

      Oh, that was Aunt Jemima too. I'm curious though, did the president get into Columbia or Harvard as Barack Obama from the U.S. or Barry Soetero from Indonesia? How did a student with mediocre grades from Occidental College get into Columbia? Was affirmative action really enough in this case?

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      There is not issue with Obama, just the people who think there is and want to make him bow down and kiss their dingle berries like GWB kissed the King of Saudi Arabia.

      As for the GPAs and IQ questions, that was not initiated by Suzanne. You need to re-read the posts.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      They sure did get cuts on

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      That is just what happens most every time I post something.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Aunt Jimi, for your comments and trying to teach "Old dogs new tricks"

      Thanks again my friend!

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      @ faythef, and LibertyCell

      I would like to read where President Obama said it was because of a video. Do you have the link for that.

      What I have read is that the GOP Congress cut funding for the protection of U.S. Consulates and Embassies.

      http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/10/10/98519...

      GOP Rep: I ‘Absolutely’ Voted To Cut Funding For Embassy Security

      By Ben Armbruster on Oct 10, 2012 at 12:20 pm

      Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT)

      Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) said today that he voted to cut funding for U.S. embassy security amid political attacks from Republicans that the Obama administration did not do enough to secure the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya that was attacked last month.

      Republicans and their allies have been trying to politicize the attack — which killed four Americans, including the U.S. Ambassador to Libya — suggesting, without evidence, the Obama administration may have ignored intelligence that the attack was imminent, didn’t properly secure the Benghazi compound and is now trying to cover it up.

      But hidden beneath the GOP campaign is the fact that House Republicans voted to cut nearly $300 million from the U.S. embassy security budget. When asked if he voted to cut the funds this morning, October 10, 2012, on CNN, Chaffetz said, “Absolutely“:

      O’BRIEN: Is it true that you voted to cut the funding for embassy security?

      CHAFFETZ: Absolutely. Look, we have to make priorities and choices in this country. We have to think about this 15,000 contractors in Iraq. We have more than 6,000 contractors, private army there for President Obama in Baghdad.

      Think about this, dick Chaney's Halliburton contractors

      http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/05/14/20095...

      Full White House Benghazi Email Undermines GOP’s Cover-Up Claims

      By Hayes Brown on May 14, 2013 at 1:08 pm

      CNN has obtained the full email from a White House official on the Benghazi talking points, which undermines claims that the administration acted deliberately to change the intelligence community’s assessment.

      Much of the controversy surrounding the Obama administration’s response to the Sept. 11, 2012 attack on a diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya has focused on a set of unclassified talking points provided to U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice. Rice delivered those points five days after the attack, appearing on all five major Sunday news shows. Rice subsequently came under attack for not mentioning Al Qaeda and referencing an anti-Islamic video as the impetus for the attacks, becoming the symbol of the White House’s supposed goal of misleading the American public about what happened.

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      Roger 4 years ago

      The comments to this Hub are definitely more interesting than the Hub itself. Aunt Jemima has gone full bore on the race-card to explain any dislike for Obama. Shyron is totally avoiding the Obama issue and just saying to look at Bush, and Suzanne now wants to talk about GPAs and IQs. This looks like one big Sociology experiment.

      Also, Aunt Jemima, do you mean "amoeba?" I need to axe to get some some clarifisication.

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      Mr. Cell: No maybe about Bush. Bush is the one who gave bankers the bail-out with no strings attached in September of 2008 before there had even been an election.

      True that the Obama Administration has done nothing to prosecute some of these people who really should be made to pay it all back with interest. I'd say put them in the clink but I don't want to support them, so give them pretty bracelets to wear and make them pay it back. In a huge lump sum and then interest. Oh, and limit where they can go wearing those bracelets too. No skipping of to Beliz.

      While it hasn't been publicized much, the bail-out money, for lack of a better name for it, has continued and continues to this day, to several of the big banks, so yes, Democrats are in it up to their necks too.

      I can't believe we even sort of agree on something Ameba! Yes indeed the whole kit and caboodle, Republicans and Democrats, are giving it to the American people from behind. They may have different styles, but the result is the same. I really like your last paragraph above.

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      Aunt Jimi, I just noticed your imaginings concerning the budget "cuts." The House may have proposed cuts, but none of that had any prayer of getting by the Senate. The only "cuts" that have occurred resulted from implementation of Sequestration. Our bipartisan loons in Washington have long since stopped telling the truth about "cuts." The cuts you mention were not cuts at all. Sequestration involved no real cuts of any kind. There were only small reductions in projected spending. So, what is the budget of the Department of Defense, a $ trillion or so? Explain to me again how the budget cuts kept Obama from helping his people. I suppose the lack of funds also caused him to lie about the whole thing, before, during and after.

      Newsflash!! I am with you on your statement . . . "while the true perpetrators get off scott free and get to keep the billions of $ they stole." They sure did, (many of them actually received bonuses - under Obama, and maybe Bush, also - in addition to the bail outs) and the effort to protect them was bipartisan. Democrats and Republicans alike are up to their ears in shame over this. Bush and Obama both had plenty of time and cause to prosecute all the bastards and they both took a pass, I believe because they both either were involved and/or had a bunch of buddies that were.

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      Glenda Jacks 4 years ago

      why do you have two titles for one of your hubs on HPs it says: RESPONSE-TO-A-PSEUDO-HUB-ATTACKING-MY-KNOWLEDGE-OF-POLITICS-AND-HISTORY. click on that title it says: George Bush's Passionate Kisses from King Abdulla. What is with that?

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      For some reason you brilliant intellectual wonders don't know the difference between hubs and comments. Nor does Ms. Thef have any reading skills as she points out. As I said, only Republicans are demanding some sort of magical birth certificate and nothing presented is good enough when it comes to Obama, yet far less is required of themselves or any previous president and the = racism.

      My hubs are full of facts. Yes, my comments include a lot of opinion and my opinion of people who can't keep hubs and comments straight and who can't read accurately is below the center of the earth -- very low in other words in case you're a simple minded person like Ameba, Mike, or Ms. Thief.

      You are right about something Ameba. The people who were killed in Benghazi did indeed beg for help and yet their budget for security was reduced. Outraged you should absolutely be because it was done by the REPUBLICAN House who is busily cutting all kinds of things in the name of reducing our national debt which Republicans have been lying about for years now.

      What ever happened to personal responsibility? I thought Republicans believed in that and screamed that everyone should, yet when it comes down to the nitty gritty, Republicans take no responsibility for anything and like you do here in your comments you continually blame someone else and accuse someone else of writing things that in fact, yes FACT, YOU are writing.

      Bitter? No. I think you people are so funny it's sometimes difficult to type on this keyboard because I'm laughing so hard. You say such ridiculous things and I imagine you say them with a very serious face as if you really believe them. I'm not sure it's true that ignorance is bliss because it sure seems to rile y'all up.

      Yes, your own ignorance has got you hoppin' mad, snuffin' and fartin' all over the place like a bronco gettin' his nuts pinched. Get educated about what has really happened and you may still be angry, but at least you'll be directing your anger to the right place and possibly making a difference as a result.

      Thinking people are so angry at Republicans for blocking everything continually that we are all set to remove Republicans by the truckload from our House of Reps and the Senate. With a supermajority required to do anything, Republicans have the upper hand and they're using it to punish people who had no part in the crash of 08 or anything else, while the true perpetrators get off scott free and get to keep the billions of $ they stole.

      Shame on all of you for blathering on and on without giving your blatherer some intelligent direction.

      Do not expect a lot of input from me because as I have said, I have a life apart from this website. I know what a waste of time conversing with the likes of y'all is.

      Besides, I'm still practicing what I suggest all non-Republican/non Tea Baggers do. Reason with a dog for a while, and when you get good at that, try it with a Republican, but don't expect too much

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      Shyron, in the minds of most conservatives, Obama's credibility was gone long before Benghazi and conservatives were in no mood for kindness. These issues have been thoroughly hashed. I see the list, but I know no Republicans - I mean none - who deny that attacks occurred during the Bush administration. Shyron, the "outrage" is because of the lies! Documents prove they begged for help and did not get it. Their security was even reduced! Callously and KNOWINGLY leaving those folks under protected, then lying like hell, even to the United Nations, sending out his stooge Rice to spread the lies and Clinton saying such things did not "reach her desk" - for heaven's sake Shyron, do you believe that? If that is true she is grossly incompetent and I don't think she is -she is just a liar. Whose desk did it reach? That is the question a rookie cop would have asked, but our Senators appear to be just as stupid as Obama is dishonest. She also really did it in her mess kit when she said "What difference does it make?" Americans will forgive inept foreign policy (nobody in their right mind ever mistook GWB for Winston Churchill), but Obama and others will pay for leaving those people unprotected to preserve a lying campaign slogan.

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      Faythe F. 4 years ago from USA

      During any those attacks did Bush lie and say it was caused by some stupid video?

      During any of those attacks did "SOMEONE" tell our military to stand down and not help those men? Cause it was only due to some dumb video..

      After any of those attacks did Bush go to bed and then get up the next morning..and hop on a plane to Vegas..Oh wait scratch that ..I forgot we don't have enough money for our military to send help to the aid of our men.....we only have enough for Obama to hop on his plane to rack up the votes.....still claiming that the video was responsible for the attack....

      During any of those attacks did ....someone stand up and say" WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?....

      During any of those attacks was Bush AFRAID to say it was a terrorist attack and not blame the deaths of those men on a stupid video...

      Did Obama call the order for our military to stand down?..I don't know!..But I do know he lied about the video...

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Benghazi, for one Republicans say there were no such attacks under GWB!

      U.S. Embassy and Consulate Attacks Under George W. Bush.

      January 22, 2002 US Consulate at Kolkata, 5 KILLED;

      June 14, 2002 January 22, 2002 US Consulate at Karachi 12 Killed;

      February 28, 2003 US Embassy at Islamabad, 2 Killed;

      June 30, 2004 US Embassy at Tashkent, 2 Killed;

      December 6, 2004 US Compound at Saudi Arabia, 9 Killed;

      March 2, 2006 US Consulate in Karachi, 2 Killed;

      September 12, 2006 US Embassy at Syria, 4 Killed;

      March 18, 2008 US Embassy at Yemen, 2 Killed;

      July 9,2008 US Consulate at Istanbul, 6 Killed;

      September 17, 2008 US Embassy at Yemen, 16 Killed.

      TOTAL DEATHS: 60

      OUTRAGED REPUBLICANS: 0/ZERO/NADA

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      I read it. Care to enlighten me with her substantiated facts?

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      No insults, from me or Aunt Jimi. Did you read Aunt Jimi or just assume that there were no facts in Aunt Jimi's hub?

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      @ Mike, when I attack you, you will know it and never, ever forget it.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      ? don't get this!

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      LibertyCell, I don't have a clue why my post show twice. Have not thought of asking Hub Pages.

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      Mike 4 years ago

      @faythef

      Jimi is an angry woman and can't understand that we are unhappy with Obama because of his policies and not the color of his skin.

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      faythef, there you go twisting things to suit you again. A Republican shortcoming. I said no one ever required birth certificates from our previous presidents who were all white, so why the big deal with this one? The reason, and you know it is faythef, we all know it is -- because this president is black.

      I voted for Obama. Obviously I have no issue with his blackness. I don't give a rat's pettutie what your race is either.

      You're saying Bush is a racist? I dislike Bush for the same reason I don't much bother with people like you. Nothing but nothing is a bigger pet peeve than stupidity. People like people like themselves -- you like Bush. Y'all are a bunch of ignorant people. Thankfully you're in the minority.

      Incidentally Mike, I knew you wouldn't keep your word about not responding to or commenting on anything I said ever again. Republicans are also notorious liars as well as sexists and racists.

      So what I recommend, since Mike says y'all are arguing with an angry racist is that you stop arguing with each other. That will solve your problem, or at least that problem. I fear nothing will solve your problem of gross ignorance.

      It's all pretty funny really. It's always funny listening to a bunch of people who know nothing about what they're talking about converse with each other.

      Afraid you'll have to excuse me for tonight. I have a life beyond this computer and thankfully none of you (faythef, Mike, Mr. Cell -- can I call you ameba for short?) are in it. :)

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      Mike 4 years ago

      @Liberty

      You are arguing with an angry racist.

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      Mike 4 years ago

      @faythef

      Asian!

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      Aunt Jimi, I said originally that your comments were typically liberal, or words to that effect. That is true. Congratulations on out-lasting Mike.

      Just looking at your last pitiable comment: "My hubs are all factual." No, they are not, they are loaded with your personal opinion, unsubstantiated generalities and little else. Look at the sentences in your last attack on me, beginning with "A word you probably need to look up," etc. You see anything resembling a fact in that?

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      Faythe F. 4 years ago from USA

      Oh the race card..when all else fails pull the race card..

      Well personally I don't like Biden or Clinton anymore than I do Obama..So what reason do you blame that on...

      WHAT RACE AM I ?

      Bet you can't guess...

      I was leaning towards voting for Cain before he fell by the wayside ! Hmmm..wonder what excuse you would have used for that....Anyone who pulls the race card is the biggest racist of all.....That's why you don't like Bush..Isn't it?

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      Thank you Mike, I'd appreciate that.

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      Go back to when you first attacked me because of what I wrote in comments. My hubs are all factual. A word you probably need to look up in the dictionary. A word they likely left out of your classes which enabled you to get a higher grade.

      I repeat, YOU are an insult to humanity. Why don't you be the first Republican/Tea Bagger to prove you are human?

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      Mike 4 years ago

      @Aunt Jimi

      I think you showed your true colors in your last rant. I am neither racist or sexist, but I will definitely not waste anymore of my time responding to your hate.

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      @Aunt Jimi

      You responded because I said your hub was an insult? I said Shyron insulted me when she asked me to read it, as if it were somehow substantive. It is not substantive - it is a load!

      What is your excuse for the voluminous, personally insulting venom you spouted prior to that?

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      Obama was Editor of the Harvard Law Review, not president of that school. He doesn't have to divulge his school records to be president, however he did have to present his tax returns, which he did. Romney, however, tried to avoid it.

      Why are't you asking for Romney's school records?

      When you're talking about grades Mike, transcript is also correct since a transcript of one's classes and grades must be provided when applying at any university for higher education, and some employers like to see it too.

      Why do you continue to ask for Obama's birth certificate when it has been provided even in the long form and blessed by the then Republican governor of Hawaii? He has provided far more records than you or I would have to provide already, and still you aren't satisfied.

      I think there's a good reason for your refusing to accept them and be satisfied. I think it's a Damn good Republican reason. I think it's because Republicans are racist. Oh yes, we all know Republicans are both sexist and racist, it's no secret. If Obama were white no one would be demanding his birth certificate in any form. No one asked to see Dubya's, or Clinton's, or Daddy Bush's, or anyone's until we got our first black president.

      Obama's birth certificate is a fantastic red herring whenever you ask a Republican anything at all.

      What school did you go to and what kind of grades did you get Mitt? Romney: "Ah, um, I'm keeping that information hidden in the safest place -- under Obama's birth certificate where it will never be found."

      OK Mitt, can you tell us when you and the Mrs. got married?

      Romney: "Ah, hmmm, ah, that's top secret too, and hidden in the same place as my school records -- under Obama's birth certificate."

      How about this Mitt? How do you feel about immigration?

      Romney: "Well, ah, hmmm, you know I think it's a little unfair of you to change the subject like that. We were talking about Obama's birth certificate as I recall and wondering where it is, you know? I'll be happy to talk about immigration right after we solve the birth certificate issue."

      How about military service Mitt? We understand neither you nor any of your sons have served or plan to serve. Your wife says their religious missions in Europe were the same thing as being in a war. Do you agree with her? Do you really think going door to door promoting your religion is the same thing as being shot at and running over landmines?

      Rommey: "You know I haven't thought much about that because you see I'm still concerned with whether or not our president has a real American birth certificate. Why, that birth certificate worries me so much I haven't even been to the bank to count my money lately, and if you've ever had a gazillion million dollars, you know how tough it is to take your mind off it, but that missing birth certificate sure has blanked my mind for anything else. You'll have to excuse me, my plane's about to leave. Glad I could answer all your questions. Take care!" And off goes Romney never having answered a single question at all!

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      Mike 4 years ago

      Also Shyron,

      Why the personal attacks? Is Aunt Jimi rubbing off on you? Personal attacks are just a sign that someone doesn't have a counter-argument.

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      Mike 4 years ago

      I should have said records, not transcripts.

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      I was responding to you saying my hub was an insult. You ask for it.

      I never said anything about Tom Delay being Hot Stuff. I was talking about whatever school you went to that you feel the need to hide.

      As for which pseudonym for idiot you answered to that you say is irrelevant, I would say it was probably the one you are most accustomed to answering to.

      YOU are the one who attacked me first way back in the beginning of the comments on this hub. I always stand up for myself.

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      Just curious, Shyron. Why do your comments post twice?

      @ Aunt Jimi - if I told you my alma mater, you would just attack it in some way, like you twice have attacked my GPA, although it is a fine and reputable school, especially in my field (Criminal Justice). Again, I only posted my GPA because you asked for it, after I listed things occurring during my career, including a master's degree, in response to being called an "idiot," if memory serves. I have been called so many names it is really irrelevant to which one I responded.

      Oh, BTW, thanks for the new one, "insult to humanity." You wouldn't want Jaye's "ego-maniac" to top you, would you? "Poster boy for ignorance" was really special. Now, if I say slinging those names at me is indicative of the quality of the typical liberal's rhetoric, that is an ad hominem attack, somehow, right Suzanne?

      Regarding the accusation that I think Tom DeLay is/was "hot stuff" and that I have/will "sing his praises," I think I will consult with the HUB people regarding that libelous rant. It is simply false and far beyond even your normal irresponsible writings.

      @Shyron - Aunt Jimi's postings are worthy argument?

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      Mike 4 years ago

      @Shyron

      "@MIKE, Susan Rice? Blame Bill Clinton???"

      Not Bill Clinton, but I guess it would be appropriate to blame him too since liberals blame everything wrong in the world today on George Bush when he left office 4 and a half years ago. I don't know if you heard or not, but Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State when the terrorist attack in Benghazi occurred. Ultimate responsibility for the safety of our diplomats rested with her.

      "Thank you Suzanne, funny that the right wing nuts want proof that Obama is smart enough to be President - and did not care about bush's IQ or GPA. LOL"

      The transcripts aren't about his grades.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Suzanne, funny that the right wing nuts want proof that Obama is smart enough to be President - and did not care about bush's IQ or GPA. LOL

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      @MIKE, Susan Rice? Blame Bill Clinton???

      LOL.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      @Mike, I find it odd that bush, posted his GPA. The Resume of George W Bush (the early years). A subsection of the George Bush Resume ... In 1973 I applied to Harvard Business School with a 2.35 GPA.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      @ Mike

      again, you inquired of Obama's GPA at Harbvard Law.

      Harvard Law doesn't release that information. But he did graduate with high honors, so it must have been excellent. He also was elected President of Harvard ...

      The minimum 3.8 GPA required for Harvard Law and LSAT in the 170s

      so it would be at least that if not more because that is not a guarantee of acceptance.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      I think if you ask President Obama nicely, he might tell you.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      "President Obama's undergraduate GPA has been the subject of speculation and rumor, but the information has not been released to the public; it should be noted that there is no obligation to release such information, and many other presidents have kept their college grades private. What we do know is that his GPA was high enough to warrant admission to Harvard Law School, where he graduated second in his class."

      http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_was_Barack_Obama's_...

      In other words, the information is not officially available as has been the case w/ many presidents. Yes, there are right wing blogs that claim to have the information, but then again, during the Bush Regime there were those who claimed to have proof that he has an IQ of 95. I tend to believe it, but I would not put it forward as fact.

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      Mike 4 years ago

      @ Shyron

      I find it odd that someone that graduated from Harvard Law School with honors is so concerned about their transcripts getting out.

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      Mike 4 years ago

      @Shyron

      The Benghazi issue is quickly moving past the deaths of 4 Americans and is concentrating more on who knew what and when. It's become clear that Susan Rice provided misinformation to the American public after the attack. I also don't expect this to hurt Obama. I think in the end the administration is going to blame Clinton for everything and throw her under the bus.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      @ Mike, Do you think the president owes you his college records? When he graduated WITH Honors, and was made President of Harvard Law School?

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      @LOUD

      Mr. Loud -

      No one has denied Mr. bush his library, just the lies he put in it. HOW DARE YOU sir CALL THE FACTS LIES!

      You did not see protesters? Here is the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1nLOPYiFnA, you must have been watching Faux News or a rush limbaugh show.

      What has Obama gave us (SIC)? https://hubpages.com/politics/What-has-President-O...

      Gov. Chris Christie thanks Obama for springing into action on Hurricane Sandy Aid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssl1R7oXpg4

      http://auntjimi.hubpages.com/hub/rand-paul-for-pre...

      Loud, did you read my hub? It is evident you did not!

      Republicans voted against funding to increase protection for US Embassies and Consulates.

      Benghazi! HOW DARE YOU! ARE YOU CALLING THESE LIES?

      U.S. Embassy and Consulate Attacks Under George W. Bush.

      January 22, 2002 US Consulate at Kolkata, 5 KILLED;

      June 14, 2002 January 22, 2002 US Consulate at Karachi 12 Killed;

      February 28, 2003 US Embassy at Islamabad, 2 Killed;

      June 30, 2004 US Embassy at Tashkent, 2 Killed;

      December 6, 2004 US Compound at Saudi Arabia, 9 Killed;

      March 2, 2006 US Consulate in Karachi, 2 Killed;

      September 12, 2006 US Embassy at Syria, 4 Killed;

      March 18, 2008 US Embassy at Yemen, 2 Killed;

      July 9,2008 US Consulate at Istanbul, 6 Killed;

      September 17, 2008 US Embassy at Yemen, 16 Killed.

      TOTAL DEATHS: 60

      OUTRAGED REPUBLICANS: 0/ZERO/NADA

      AND YOU ARE LOUD AND PROUD OF THIS?

      I will bet you are Praying that OUR President fails, just like LibertyCell.

      https://hubpages.com/politics/RESPONSE-TO-A-PSEUDO...

      Fast & Furious? Where have you been for the last year mr. loud?

      6/24/2012 Mr. Issa admits no evidence White House involved in Fast and Furious. On Fox News. http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/issa-adm...

      President Bush kept us safe? The only thing bush kept safe was the 'ben Laden' family, getting them out of the country. Maybe he was afraid someone would reveal his involvement.

      The Supreme Court should have kept us safe from george w. bush instead of depositing him in our deposed President's seat.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      @LOUD

      Mr. Loud -

      No one has denied Mr. bush his library, just the lies he put in it. HOW DARE YOU sir CALL THE FACTS LIES!

      You did not see protesters? Here is the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1nLOPYiFnA, you must have been watching Faux News or a rush limbaugh show.

      What has Obama gave us (SIC)? https://hubpages.com/politics/What-has-President-O...

      Gov. Chris Christie thanks Obama for springing into action on Hurricane Sandy Aid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssl1R7oXpg4

      http://auntjimi.hubpages.com/hub/rand-paul-for-pre...

      Loud, did you read my hub? It is evident you did not!

      Republicans voted against funding to increase protection for US Embassies and Consulates.

      Benghazi! HOW DARE YOU! ARE YOU CALLING THESE LIES?

      U.S. Embassy and Consulate Attacks Under George W. Bush.

      January 22, 2002 US Consulate at Kolkata, 5 KILLED;

      June 14, 2002 January 22, 2002 US Consulate at Karachi 12 Killed;

      February 28, 2003 US Embassy at Islamabad, 2 Killed;

      June 30, 2004 US Embassy at Tashkent, 2 Killed;

      December 6, 2004 US Compound at Saudi Arabia, 9 Killed;

      March 2, 2006 US Consulate in Karachi, 2 Killed;

      September 12, 2006 US Embassy at Syria, 4 Killed;

      March 18, 2008 US Embassy at Yemen, 2 Killed;

      July 9,2008 US Consulate at Istanbul, 6 Killed;

      September 17, 2008 US Embassy at Yemen, 16 Killed.

      TOTAL DEATHS: 60

      OUTRAGED REPUBLICANS: 0/ZERO/NADA

      AND YOU ARE LOUD AND PROUD OF THIS?

      I will bet you are Praying that OUR President fails, just like LibertyCell.

      https://hubpages.com/politics/RESPONSE-TO-A-PSEUDO...

      Fast & Furious? Where have you been for the last year mr. loud?

      6/24/2012 Mr. Issa admits no evidence White House involved in Fast and Furious. On Fox News. http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/issa-adm...

      President Bush kept us safe? The only thing bush kept safe was the 'ben Laden' family, getting them out of the country. Maybe he was afraid someone would reveal his involvement.

      The Supreme Court should have kept us safe from george w. bush instead of depositing him in our deposed President's seat.

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      Mike 4 years ago

      @Jimi

      Why has Obama refused to release his college records?

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      Mr. Cell, you may think the rinky-dink school where you got that 3.82 is hot stuff, but since you refuse to name the school I kinda think it was Tom & Jerry's Midnight Auto Salvage and School of Criminal Justice. Otherwise you would proudly name it.

      There were no lame excuses, such as Republicans are accustomed to using, in my description of Mr. Obama's GPA. Harvard Law School doesn't let just anyone in, and from what I've seen here you would never have had a prayer much less a chance of being accepted there. So much for your GPA from Tom & Jerry's.

      There were facts explaining Mr. Obama's GPA, something that scares Republicans to death. When people have the facts Republicans lose elections big time.

      You are an insult to humanity Mr. Cell. You certainly picked a good name for yourself because one cell is all you seem to have upstairs and even that one, as you self-proclaim, wants its liberty.

      Ignorance is always an insult and you could be its poster boy. Told you, and you know it's true, I've got your number. ;)

      Tom Delay was your boy and and here you are trying to crawdad out of owning up to the fact that Tommy was one of the Republican's shining stars. Yep, throw him to the dogs since he got caught, but if he hadn't been caught and convicted YOU would still be singin' his praises. Now you're trying to pretend you didn't support him.

      You can fool some of the people some of the time. You can fool the Republicans all of the time -- but you can't fool me Mr. Cell. I've got your number. ;)

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      @Jaye

      I only gave my GPA because Aunt Jimi asked for it. Did you notice all the lame excuses that resulted when I asked about Obama's? Now I can add "ego-maniac" to the names you enlightened liberals have called me as you as you press forward with your brilliant issue -oriented discussion.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      @ Suzanne, the excerpts from this book page 13 explaines a lot.

      http://www.amazon.com/George-Bush-Webster-Griffin-...

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      LibertyCell Something very interesting, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVURLdJQZ00

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      @ LibertyCell, My recommendation that you read AuntJimi's hub was not meant as an insult. If you don't listen to both sides of an argument, how can you make a good judgment as to who is right or wrong?

      If all guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. I think everyone should be allowed to have guns for protection, or hunting and even for target shooting is one chooses.

      Assault weapons should be banned and we need background checks. Gun Runners (i.e. dealers who sell gun without background checks should be held responsible when guns are used improperly.)

      @Jaye, If you ever read the whole truth about GWB, his brothers Marvin and Neil (crooks in the S&L scandals) Neil's wife testified against him and then retracted her testimony when she was threatened. But to really understand, one would have to research Prescott Bush, father of George H. Bush.

      @ Jaye, thank you for your comments, I appreciate you, and thanks for vote-up.

      I guess Laura likes the lime light and mingling with Texas high society, LOL :0). She seems so proud of her SOB (Son of a Bush).

      Have you read the Bush Book by Anton Chitkin, and Webster Tarpley? I have it on DVD. I also have excerpt from Kitty Kelly's book "The Family." I don't know if it is possible to purchase the Kitty Kelly book. I have tried so many times. I wanted to add it to my book collection. I do know that Barbara Bush and Kelly clashed.

      Shyron

      @ Suzanne, thanks for the Benghazi interview link, I had not heard this one. And thanks for the other links.

      I heard the same interview or one similar, where he said he does not care about his legacy. He is a braggart and a liar. I think he is trying to smooth things over in case Jeb Bush runs for president, and Jeb's son is being groomed for political office in the very near future.

      If you read the Bush-Hinchley connection, you would see how deep rooted this family's misdeeds go. The Bush family owns most of the state of Maine.

      One day on the talk show that I listened to while driving to work in Chicago, the show's host told about Bush - ben Laden Connection. I was fascinated and started to research the families and it still fascinates me. The next day the show's host was fired. That is how much power the Bush family has.

      $16. is not enough to enter his library. Bush would have to have someone else pay me at $1600. to enter.

      @ Mike

      Thank you for responding to posts on this hub. I not only saw this some of this was missing. The first part was cut out where Sen. Feinstein said she wants to ban Military Assault weapons, not all guns. www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxOFt0MT8tw

      My mother shot a man with buck shot who was intending to break into our house. That story is called Mama and the Prowler.

      Yes Mike, I know how to shoot, my grandfather taught me when I was seven and he taught my brothers and cousins.

      I have shot a 12 gauge shotgun, 22 caliber rifle, a 38, a 357 magnum. My husband and I frequent the shooting range, but we don't live by the gun so we know how to safely handel But, if someone breaks into my home while I am here, I know he is not breaking in to play cards, and he is dead.

      @ Suzanne, you are right the first part of that clip was cut to make it look as if Sen. Finestein wants to ban all guns.

      www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxOFt0MT8tw

      @ Mike, automatic or semi-automatic, to you, does that difference mean less because it was not an automatic?

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      @ Mike: All the more reason semi-automatic weapons should be banned. I will look at the interview sometime within the next day or two. :)

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      I'm sure Suzanne means semi-automatic, not automatic. Automatic firearms have been banned for decades.

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      Mike 4 years ago

      @ Suzanne

      Here is the full 60 Minutes interview with Feinstein.

      http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7380236n

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      Mike 4 years ago

      @Suzanne

      Adam Lanza did not have an automatic weapon. He used a semi-automatic rifle. I know you understand the difference between the two. The anti-gun folks are purposely leading people to believe that the weapon he had was full-automatic, it was not.

      CNN- "Adam Lanza burst into the Sandy Hook Elementary School on December 14, 2012 armed with a semiautomatic Bushmaster .223 caliber rifle and two handguns. He opened fire killing 26 people, 20 of them children, before taking his own life."

      Huffington Post- "Adam Lanza used a semiautomatic Bushmaster .223 rifle during his rampage through Sandy Hook Elementary School on Friday, firing dozens of high-velocity rounds as he killed 20 children and six adults, authorities said Sunday."

      ABC- "Adam Lanza used a Bushmaster .223 semi-automatic rifle at close range to kill children and adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut on Friday. "

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      @Mike: Regarding your video "proof" that Diane Feinstein wants to ban "all guns". The video does not prove that. She does not say that. She is depicted holding up an automatic weapon and then in a separate cut saying that she would like to ban all of them. IMO, she was referring to automatic weapons, which is consistent with her record of introducing and supporting bills to ban automatic weapons.

      Then, separately again, she goes on to explain the extraordinary circumstances that led to her obtaining a permit to carry concealed. As a public figure who had been one of the targets of an assassination attempt and then the target of a terrorist group, she had good reason to be issued a concealed carry permit. This would apply to others as well.

      The video is obviously a piecemeal, out of context attempt to discredit Senator Feinstein.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      @Mike: It only takes one automatic weapon and a few minutes to kill multiple people. Both James Holmes and Adam Lanza's mother were able to purchase automatic weapons legally.

      @Jaye: Thanks! :) You know, Dumbya is actually not even a Texan! I believe he was born in New Hampshire!

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      Jaye Denman 4 years ago from Deep South, USA

      Suzanne...As you know, a lot of statements made by George W. Bush were not true, and "...methinks he dost protest too much" concerning his legacy. His "good ol' boy" routine wore thin long ago, and those interviews are laughable. Well...they would be laughable except that his actions had such horrendous consequences.

      Of course, his administration made a habit of ignoring American public opinion, but remember--Dubya is not really the simple Texan he portrays himself to be. This is a man born with the proverbial silver spoon of wealth and privilege, accustomed throughout his life to being bailed out of trouble and poor investments by his daddy and his daddy's influential friends (including the Saudi royal family)...accustomed to adulation. Now he holds the rating as the worst U.S. president in history. I find it difficult to believe--his protests notwithstanding--that doesn't rankle.

      He may not be the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree , but I don't think he's immune to ridicule and hatred, and feelings about him from Americans who deplore the immense loss of life from an unnecessary war in Iraq launched for spurious reasons by Bush and Cheney (each of whom had different motivations) range from dislike to virulent hatred. There are websites devoted to discussion of why both Bush and Cheney should be tried as war criminals, and I agree with their reasoning.

      His presidential library gave him the opportunity to whitewash his actions as POTUS, and I believe he's taken full advantage of it, regardless of his claims that he doesn't care what anyone thinks of him.

      By the way, I salute you for your use of facts and standing up to the conservative Republican propaganda masquerading in this comments section as truth spouted by an obvious egomaniac bragging about his GPA. I can't argue...er, "debate"...these issues because my blood pressure goes up, and these people are not worth my having a stroke. I do commend people, such as you, Shyron and AuntJimi, who stand up to them with verifiable facts. Bravo!

      Jaye

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      After dutifully trying, Shyron, I was insulted that you recommended I read auntjimi's HUB. What a load!

      However, maybe we can save a little money and eliminate all this gun control hassle, at least in Washington D. C. You said Sen. Feinstein didn't need to carry because she has armed protection, or something like that. Very true. My idea is to make the Capital a totally gun free zone. That would eliminate a lot of payroll expense while simultaneously making all our government representatives safer, as can be verified by Colorada theater-goers and Connecticut school children!

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      @Suzanne

      Unfortunately, I think the anti-gun side is deliberately leading people to believe that automatic firearms are readily available to the general public when they are not. Civilian ownership of automatic firearms is almost nonexistent.

      With the Gun Control Act of 1986, civilians are not allowed to possess fully-automatic weapons unless they were manufactured prior to 1986. The weapons manufactured before 1986 are "Grandfathered" meaning they can still be legally transferred through a licensed/bonded Class III NFA Weapons Dealer. No fully automatic weapons made after 1986 are legal for civilians to own or possess.

      Ownership of these weapons also requires a special permit which includes a full background check. The owner of an automatic weapon is required to have the permit with the registered, licensed weapon at all times. The owner is also required to show proof that the registered weapon is stored in a safe or locked container that meets BATFE guidelines. Possessing a permit for an automatic weapon also allows BATFE to make a personal inspection of your residence or storage area once annually.

      As for Feinstein, she has stated that she would have all firearms taken away from people if she could.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRblw29I14U

      The problem with her having a concealed carry permit in California is that almost nobody can get one. She used her position to receive preferential treatment. Citizens of California do not legally have the same abilities to protect themselves as that we have in Texas.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      I don't see why he would give a flip about his presidential "legacy". He flat out told the press that he didn't care how history views him. I heard him say it in a television interview.

      Blunt George W. Bush view of his legacy: 'I'll be dead'

      http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/08...

      He also said he doesn't care what protesters think, and he left office claiming he doesn't care what We the People think of him, so why should he care about the success or failure of his "legacy"?

      Bush: ‘I Don’t Give A Darn’ What Americans Think Of Me

      http://bit.ly/BushConcern

      “I'll be long gone before some smart person ever figures out what happened inside this Oval Office."

      (Washington DC, 12 May, 2008)”

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      Jaye Denman 4 years ago from Deep South, USA

      I'm repeating myself, Shyron, because I just wrote this comment at your hub about the "weapons of mass destruction that didn't exist." Dubya Bush is busily re-writing history in an attempt to salvage his presidential "legacy", and Laura must have gotten over her snit with him enough to help. Makes me gag!

      Tremendous hub! Voted Up++

      Jaye

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      @ Shyron: Thanks! :)

      Here is an interesting interview re: Benghazi

      http://video.msnbc.msn.com/msnbc/51860947#51860947

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      @ Mike: Thanks for the specific correction. It's been a while since I read that article. Nonetheless, I still believe that having a well-regulated militia in the US as they do in Switzerland would be a wise and positive move. I personally would prefer a ban on semi-automatic weapons, but even a ban on automatic weapons would be an improvement.

      I was a bazooka expert trained at Ft. Jackson in 1983. Whether or not the bazooka was being used in combat at that time, I do not know. It was used during training.

      I don't understand why you would complain about Diane Feinstein carrying concealed with a permit when she is not attempting to stop others from doing that. She is simply supporting an assault weapons ban and calling for stricter regulations, to which she has obviously submitted.

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      Mike 4 years ago

      @Shyron

      "I am not for the wild west lawless shoot-up gun fights like in High Noon."

      Why does your side assume that because we are against new regulations that will only affect law-abiding citizens that we are against all regulations. It is no different than someone wanting a 30 MPH speed limit accross the country stating that that the other side thinks people should be able to drive as fast as they want because they disagree. There are already 20,000 firearm laws in place that are loosely enforced.

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      Mike 4 years ago

      @Shyron

      She did have a permit. How many other people were able to obtain a permit in San Francisco?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM_cFX1ibRA

      She also does not need to carry now because she has armed security.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      @ Suzanne, thank you for defending and standing-up for our rights. I am with you.

      @Mike How do you know that Senator Finestein had/has a gun in her purse? How do you know that Senator Finestein does not have a permit to have a weapon? I am sure she did not have an assault weapon in her purse.

      I am for banning assault weapons and for background checks. But that does not mean all weapons.

      I am not for the wild west lawless shoot-up gun fights like in High Noon.

      Gun Sellers don't care for what purpose you buy their guns.

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      Mike 4 years ago

      @Suzanne

      The article you linked clearly said that semi-automatics are legal in Switzerland. The article said:

      "The law allows citizens or legal residents over the age of 18, who have obtained a permit from the government and who have no criminal record or history of mental illness, to buy up to three weapons from an authorized dealer, with the exception of automatic firearms and selective fire weapons, which are banned. Semiautomatics, which have caused havoc in the U.S., can be legally purchased."

      Also, the bazooka has not been used by the U.S. military since 1957 and the few females in the military at that time were not generally certified with weapons. Did you mean the LAW or AT-4?

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      @ Mike: LC has attempted to "turn this into a personal argument" with every post. Read the entire thread. I am simply finished attempting to wade through it.

      The article on Switzerland explains (and I have explained in previous posts) that Swiss citizens are allowed to purchase a total of 3 guns and semi-automatic and automatic weapons are banned.

      As for Senator Feinstein's comments, I believe she was just flustered and offended by Cruz and misspoke. She may also have had a sudden memory of the assassination she witnessed close at hand so many years ago. The bills she actually supports do not include bans of anything other than automatic and semi-automatic weapons.

      I too am former military (as I have said in a previous post). I was a sharpshooter with an M-16, have experience firing a machine gun, and was a bazooka expert. I know the value of proper training and weapons maintenance. I believe guns are at least as dangerous as cars and that they and their operators should be "well-regulated" per the second amendment.

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      Mike 4 years ago

      @Suzanne

      You are turning this into a personal argument when it really doesn't need to be. I believe Dianne Feinstein believes she is doing the right thing. Unfortunately, I believe she also doesn't know what she is talking about. I wish you would explain what her points concerning imploding bullets and a revolver used in two murders have to do with an "assault weapons" ban.

      I have read quite a bit on Switzerland's stance on military arms. I am familiar with policy of required military service and keeping their issued fully-automatic firearms in their homes with government issued ammunition while they serve in the reserve. It's also my understanding that after they are no longer on reserve status they can purchase their rifles after they are converted to semi-auto.

      Well, I am prior military and I qualified on the M16 once a year. I currently own 3 semi-automatic AR-15s which are essentially the semi-auto variant of the rifle the military trained me on. If you want to use the Swiss model, where is the problem with me owning these firearms?

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      @ Mike: Senator Feinstein has never tried to "ban guns". She proposes a ban on assault weapons (such as the ban on assault weapons they have in Switzerland). She also supports reasonable controls and restrictions (such as the ones they have in Switzerland). In other words, she supports the formation of a well-regulated militia per the second amendment.

      @LC: The Huffington Post is a respected news source owned by conservative entity AOL.

      Did you even look at the link to the Daily Kos? It consists of an image of an actual, childish, disrespectful Tweet directed at our duly elected sitting president and distributed by your hero, the childish, bullying, treasonous traitor, Ted Cruz. His ridiculous behavior makes it that much more embarrassing to have this man representing my state.

      LC, you hooked us all into dealing with you by crying that "liberals never want to engage". I believe we have proven you wrong.

      While it has certainly been (adjectives fail me) plowing through your long-winded, impassioned, insulting, mostly unsupported, illogical rants, I do have other things to do. I am done enabling your behavior.

      I believe you are participating in this conversation simply to draw attention to yourself, argue for the sake of argument and force your opinions on others. You have no desire to resolve anything. You don't even look at the information that is presented to you, and then you selectively choose issues and rant off on another tangent.

      Troll, defined: One who posts ... deliberately provocative message(s) to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument."

      If the bridge fits, crouch under it.

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      @Shyron

      "@Mike, you are so far off base. Cruz' childish remarks to Senator Finestein, in an attempt to make her look like she does not know what she is talking about, showed him to not only be an idiot, but shows that he does not know what he is talking about. Do you really buy into all his garbage?"

      Yes, I honestly believe Dianne Feinstein doesn't know what she is talking about. During that exchange she brought up imploding bullets and the Moscone and Milk assassinations to argue her point against "assault weapons." I've never heard of an imploding bullet before and those murders were committed with a revolver. A revolver similar to the one she carried in her purse.

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      Oh, Shyron, I am just finishing a HUB on Senator Feinstein. I hope you enjoy it!

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      I am familiar with Tom DeLay. I am not and have never been a fan. I do not appreciate his tactics, in Washington or in Austin. I was a cop for a long time and he was found guilty of committing crimes. It would be difficult to impossible to get me to defend Tom Delay. Enough said.

      It does not make a tinker's damn what Paul LaBon or any other reporter "noted," because, thanks to Suzanne, we are now discussing treason. If you want to label as "treasonous" the method used to formulate the redistricting plan or the behavior of any legislator, with or without the influence of Tom DeLay, knock your lights out! The reason gerrymandering came up is because Suzanne called then Solicitor General Ted Cruz treasonous after he successfully defended Texas' redistricting plan before the U.S. Supreme Court. By definition, therefore, the redistricting was legal and certainly not "treasonous." If the redistricting had been ruled to be illegal, the Texas Legislature would have been required to try again to redistrict the state. That's all. If Cruz had lost his behavior still would not have been "treasonous." Democrats not getting their way is not "treasonous." It is not even appropriate to use that word in association with the court exercises that occurred. How high does the court have to be before you geniuses would deem a decision to be "legal?" As far as treasonous behavior is concerned, you are looking at the wrong branch of government.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      @Mike, you are so far off base. Cruz' childish remarks to Senator Finestein, in an attempt to make her look like she does not know what she is talking about, showed him to not only be an idiot, but shows that he does not know what he is talking about. Do you really buy into all his garbage?

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Suzanne, for all the information in your post, I will read every one. :>)

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Suzanne,

      I guess LC thinks that if you mention a city/state that means you're from that city/state.

      I think LC only hears what he wants to hear. Or maybe he does not really know that the "Republican's" denied increase funding for consulates protection and actually voted to cut-funds them.

      Thank you Suzanne for your continued comments. 

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      LibertyCell, you are right, when you say that Gerrymandering has nothing to do with my hub.

      But, it seems you want to talk about that, and make it look as if Democrats have a monopoly on gerrymandering, when it has been proven that the illegal gerrymandering was done by the republicans. As one article by Paul LaBon noted. "So the past few weeks, Tommy Boy (i.e. Tom DeLay) decided to take matters in his hands to start the road to his single-party domination. He hatched a plan with GOP leaders in Texas to Override the State's Congressional districts and redraw them so as to wipe out the will of the people through new Congressional elections elections."

      Mr. LaBon went on to say: " With all the pressing issues the state legislature faces it is an insult to the citizens of Texas that this new form of gerrymandering - or Tommymandering - should be a priority issue up for consideration in the legislature.

      2010, Tom DeLay - He, was the Former House Majority Leader was convicted for his role in a scheme to influence Texas elections. He was also found guilty of money laundering and conspiracy to commit money laundering for helping illegally funnel corporate money for Republican candidates in 2002.

      This is not on a web site, I retrieved the article from an Austin newspaper and kept it and still have it.

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      My mother used to say, "You are putting the emPHASis on the wrong sylLABle! Amazing how you think because you wrote it, it is "inarguable." You have the fight right, but the "bad guys" wrong. Those (including me) who hope the President fails, want it because he is a wannabe socialist dictator. The Huffington Post and the Daily Kos represent the epitome of off-beat sensationalism. You would be better off depending entirely on Daly or Colbert for your information, as so many of your colleagues do. Conservatives did not hide their documents or their history. Conservatives did not foist a healthcare program on the country opposed by 70% of the people. Conservatives did not implement law via executive order after being unable to do so by the passage of legislation, as required by the Constitution. Conservatives did not unconstitutionally "cherry pick" which immigrations to enforce or refuse to enforce DOMA at all. Conservatives do not advocate killing babies, even after they are born (oh yes he did, as an Illinois state senator, and he has said nothing to contradict his support). Conservatives did not knowingly leave their people to die because the situation in Benghazi contradicted their campaign lies, then lie about the circumstances, then lie about the lies. Sorry, I forgot. What difference does it make? Thank God for those brave whistle-blowers. More is coming, Suzanne. There will soon be enough truth out that even the liberal media will have to report it, and even rational liberals (that does not include you, of course) will have to realize that this country is in grave danger of losing its identity and becoming, by force, if necessary, a welfare state.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      Well, that certainly does seem to be the top news story on all the off-beat, sensationalist, right wing extremist news sites! :D

      People who openly hope the president of their nation fails, political parties that make that their stated goal, groups that express the opinion that they must partake of an armed rebellion against the government are, by definition, treasonous. That is simply inarguable.

      Incidentally, you might consider that when pondering the question:

      "Why is DHS so heavily armed?"

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      @Mike

      From the Washington Post

      Did gun control work in Australia?

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/20...

      From Time Magazine:

      How a well-regulated militia works:

      The Swiss Difference: A Gun Culture That Works

      Read more: http://world.time.com/2012/12/20/the-swiss-differe...

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      @ Mike: I did not "cite" Diane Feinstein. Read the post.

      I saw the exchange as well. She was flabbergasted, as most intelligent, educated people are, by the sheer effrontery and immature "reasoning" displayed by Cruz. Her supporters and defenders (Schumer and Whitehouse) eloquently explained why.

      There is no comparison between bombastic, uneducated, college drop out radio personality Limbaugh and the esteemed elected officials you mention.

      While it is true that everyone has a right to an opinion, it is equally true that all points of view are not equal. Loud mouthed, biased, unsupported opinion does not hold a candle to supported, intelligent conclusion.

      And that goes for you, too, LC. I have said what I have to say about all of the topics you are attempting to rehash, and I have in no way had my "hat handed" to me.

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      Mike 4 years ago

      Also Suzanne, this shouldn't have turned into a gun control hub, but you seem to want to move it in that direction. The reason I and many more disagree with more firearm regulations is very simple. First, we do not believe that more firearms regulations will have any impact on violent crime. We have 20,000 firearm laws that are weakly enforced. Second, what would happen if the anti-gun liberals had a major semi-automatic rifle or magazine capacity ban passed and found out it did nothing to reduce violent crime? They aren't going to reverse their legislation. They are only going to keep limiting our freedoms until only the criminals have guns in a ridiculous quest to blame guns rather than the criminal.

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      @Suzanne

      So, even after you have had your hat handed to you regarding redistricting/gerrymandering, you still hang onto the nonsense about treasonous behavior. Now I and the Republican Party as well as the Supreme Court, I suppose, are all treasonous. Let's see, hypothetically, would abandoning people you have sworn to and have the authority to protect, who were subsequently killed, despite repeated warnings and requests to respond to eminent dangers, be considered criminal negligence, therefore treason? Would subsequently lying about it, then lying about the lies, be considered impeachable or treasonous conduct? Oh, I forgot, "What difference, at this point does it make?" I wrote a HUB about that. If we were to gauge treasonous behavior, how would that compare to losing a redistricting case in the Supreme Court? Treason, Suzanne, cannot be defined as questioning or disagreeing with Obama.

      It is hard to imagine, Suzanne, is your apparent inability to 1) understand that the gun control legislation proposed would have no positive effect on crimes involving guns (look at the maps "gun control" areas are also high crime areas - gun free zones are most vulnerable to gun crimes (if there had been a cop or an armed citizen in the theater or the school the suspect(s) could have been incapacitated, at least the possibility would have existed, regardless of the size of his magazine. THESE POSSIBILITIES DID NOT EXIST BECAUSE OF MINDLESS GUN CONTROL LAWS - and, from reading the quality of (most) of your words, it does not seem possible that you believe that criminals are going to participate in any gun registration - that is ludicrous!

      2) Many of us believe that gun registration is the predecessor to gun confiscation. That is especially worrisome considering the dishonesty that is the primary characteristic of this administration (my opinion, based on several situations, the latest, (but not the last) of which is Benghazi). Our president was raised in Indonesia as a Muslim. He, by his own words, gained most of his political philosophy from Frank Marshall Davis, a communist. For 20 years he listened to sermons from a person in the forefront of black liberation theology, which, again by its own words, is incongruent with capitalism (facts). You surely have read the accounts of the Department of Homeland Security arming itself with firearms, equipment and millions of rounds of ammunition. Did you ever ask yourself why? Perhaps, with the fireball attitude this administration has toward illegal aliens, it is to wage war against migrant workers (sarcasm).

      I don't believe any of that is corporate/bankster driven, but I acknowledge, as you know, the possibility of this country being in danger from that source as well as proponents of the welfare state. I have written articles to that effect. Maybe they ultimately are the same source. But Mike is right. You have admonished me to broaden my research, then link me to the Daily Kos (?) and Senator Leahy. As you say, sheesh!

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      Mike 4 years ago

      I did. You're calling Cruz an idiot and expecting to win an argument by citing Feinstein and Schumer. I also watched the exchange between Feinstein and Cruz concerning gun control. Personally, I think Cruz won. She didn't know what she was talking about, but many believe Cruz was harsh because she is a "senior senator." She is doing everything she can to ban firearms, but had a concealed carry permit in San Francisco. How many other people do you think had that same ability to carry a pistol there legally?

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      ...follow the whole thread, Mike...

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      @Suzanne

      Using the opinions of Dianne Feinstein or Charles Schumer in an argument with conservatives would probably be similar to us reciting Rush Limbaugh commentary to you. They are the faces of all that is wrong in this country to many of us. You may as well throw Sheila Jackson Lee, the wise and respected Democrat congresswoman from Texas, in the mix too.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      LC: As I have stated to you in other venues, it is corporate entities who are intentionally trying to destroy our nation. Politicians on both sides are manipulated in this attempt; however, Republicans are more subject to it because it is the policy of the party to favor corporate power over people.

      Cruz' actions and goals are unconstitutional. The stated goal of the Republican party (and apparently your stated goal) is treasonous.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      Incidentally, regarding Cruz' peurile and disrespectful comments to Senior Senator Diane Feinstein:

      “The question that I would pose to the senior senator from California is “Would she deem it consistent with the Bill of Rights for Congress to engage in the same endeavor that we are contemplating doing with the Second Amendment in the context of the First or Fourth Amendments, namely: Would she consider it constitutional for Congress to specify that the First Amendment shall apply only to the following books and shall not apply to the books that Congress has deemed outside the protection of the Bill of Rights?”

      http://bit.ly/CruzTalk

      Senators Chuck Schumer and Sheldon Whitehouse maturely and sensibly replied:

      Schumer:

      "In reference to the question my colleague from Texas asked, would you limit books? Would you name specific books? Yeah. It’s constitutional within the ambit of the First Amendment to eliminate child pornography. And we have lots of laws that are very explicit about that. Very explicit. That are constitutional, that have been upheld as constitutional. Similarly, you can’t falsely scream fire in a crowded theater. Similarly, we have libel laws. Every one of these is an impingement on the sacred First Amendment, upheld as constitutional. There are reasonable limits on each amendment, and I think it is anomalous, to put it kindly, for either side to interpret one amendment so expansively and another amendment so narrowly that it just doesn’t add up because your interpretation of the Constitution should be consistent."

      Whitehouse followed up with the death blow:

      "It is hard to imagine that it would be a violation of the First Amendment for somebody to yell fire in a crowded theater but it’s not a violation of the Second Amendment to prevent somebody from bringing a hundred-round magazine into a crowded theater in a Aurora, Colorado."

      http://bit.ly/CruzTroll

      Cruz exhibits the qualities of many so called "conservatives". He is a troll.

      Troll, defined: One who posts ... deliberately provocative message(s) to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument."

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      Thanks, Mike. If you would like, please send you email address to thelibertycell@yahoo.com and I would be honored to add it to my mailing lists.

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      Mike 4 years ago

      @Liberty

      I'm not sure you are going to get very far using facts and logic in your argument.

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      Suzanne, the narrative you gave regarding Justice Kennedy and Ted Cruz was all in accordance with and because of the Supreme Court cases you cite. You just don't like the outcome. Justices often chastise those before them and ask sharp, penetrating questions to clarify the argument. You probably just forgot to report that, in the case in question, Kennedy voted in favor of Cruz' argument. In fact, he wrote the majority opinion.

      If there were ever any, Washington is probably the only duly elected sitting president we have ever had who was not subjected to "undermining and causing to fail." I pray to God Obama fails, because he is intentionally and knowingly destroying the country.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      Cruz is treasonous because he puts tremendous effort and manipulation into having actions that are unconstitutional redefined as constitutional. He is working against our form of government rather than for We the People.

      “Gerrymandering, which had taken place prior to the coinage of the name and continued for many decades thereafter, has been challenged many times in federal courts and has been legislated against. In 1842, the Reapportionment Act required that congressional districts be contiguous and compact. In 1962, the Supreme Court ruled that districts must follow the principle of "one man, one vote" and have fair borders and an appropriate population mixture. Most recently, the Supreme Court ruled in 1985 that manipulating district borders to give an advantage to one political party was unconstitutional.”

      http://bit.ly/GMBasics

      In the incident you refer to as an heroic feat:

      Associate Justice Anthony Kennedy… gave Cruz hell about the map.

      “Do you want this court to say that it's constitutionally permissible to take away a number of minority voters from the district, but leave just enough so that it looks like a minority?” Kennedy asked. “Is that a permissible use of race? It seems to me that's an affront and an insult.”

      “Except the district court found as a factual matter that what happened in district 23 was wholly political,” said Cruz. “It was not racial, so that the voters were not removed because of race. They were removed because of politics.”

      “But the additional finding is that 50 percent were kept to make it look good,” said Kennedy. “As this court has said, the legislature will always be aware of the racial composition of a district.”

      http://bit.ly/OnTCruz

      Additionally, the fact that he and the rest of the Republican party work against the wishes of We the People and exert concerted effort on their stated goal of undermining and causing our duly elected sitting president to fail is treasonous in and of itself.

      http://bit.ly/TCruzDisrespect

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      I am not from New York. That is a quote (as indicated by the quotation marks at the beginning and end) from the article I posted. If you had read it, you would be aware of that fact.

      Benghazi

      Republicans slashed diplomatic security budget, still trying to cut more…

      http://bit.ly/BenghaziFact

      “Republicans shrugged off the criticism. They had just won control of the House, it was time make some changes. And those changes included cutting the sort of security that might've prevented the Benghazi disaster.

      “How about Republicans investigate that?”

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      LibertyCell, take my word for it, 'people are the same everywhere!' I was born in Alabama, lived in Waco, TX; Long Beach, CA; Ocala, FL; Green Township, IN; Sikeston, MO; Hart/Detroit, MI; Chicago, IL and several other places, these are the ones that come to mind readily.

      But to get back to your list:

      LibertyCell, 1. Surely you can remember all the "not one dime" pronouncements Obama made regarding increased taxes and/or fees relating to Obamacare. Just a tiny bit of objectivity would be appreciated! The fact your memory is so weak is yet another indication of the lack of investigative reporting by the fawning mainstream media.

      Me: Remember when I put the statement in my comment about President saying ‘not one dime’ will be added to the deficit?

      From the Washington Post:

      Posted by Jamelle Bouie on May 8, 2013 at 11:17 am

      Is the United States close to running a budget surplus? So suggests the American Enterprise Institute’s James Pethokoukis, who highlights an analysis from Potomac Research, which notes two things.

      First, the United States government ran a surplus of $112 billion in April, partly because of income tax payments, and partly because revenue is up from the previous fiscal year. Potomac then predicts that the deficit will fall below 5 percent of GDP for this fiscal year (to around $700 billion), further in 2014 (to $500 billion, close to 3 percent of GDP), and even further in 2015, to below 2 percent of GDP (around $300 billion). As the group notes at the end of its analysis, if the sequester holds and economic growth continues, it’s “not totally out of the question” for the United States to reach a balanced budget, or even a surplus, by the end of fiscal year 2015.

      Not only would this fulfill President Obama’s election year promise to reduce the deficit - itself a carryover from his 2008 campaign — but it would hit the targets established by the Simpson-Bowles debt reduction blueprint, and potentially rob Republicans of one of their most important talking points against Obama and Democrats.

      LibertyCell 2.Part one, Ms. Shenko, et al, "F & F" is Operation Fast and Furious - remember the botched program by ATF that placed thousands of guns in Mexico, got hundreds of Mexican citizens and an ATF officer killed? Obama/Holder are still hiding information. Holder has been held in contempt of Congress. If that had been Bush, the headlines would still be there todaybut he admitted to Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday today that so far, there is no evidence connecting the scandal directly to the White House and Obama administration.

      Me: Rep. Darrell Issa Admits There Is No Evidence Connecting White House To Fast & Furious Scandal by Josh Feldman, 12:44 pm, June 24th, 2012

      Congressman Darrell Issa is leading the investigation into the Fast & Furious ATF scandal and his committee recommended Attorney General Eric Holder for contempt charges, todaybut he admitted to Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday today that so far, there is no evidence connecting the scandal directly to the White House and Obama administration.

      LibertyCell 2, part 2: The cover up of the Benghazi atrocity is all about seeing that Great Britain and the Red Cross vacated the area, receiving numerous appeals from our people in Benghazi about the dangerous environment and refusing to do ANYTHING to protect them; then lying like hell about the truth of what happened. Then we get "what difference does it make?" This tragedy resulted from the dishonesty of the Obama presidential campaign. He couldn't brag about terrorism being on the run and simultaneously help his own people in Benghazi. So he let them die. You don't think the press is helping with that cover up?

      Me: are you trying to connect Benghazi and Fast and Furious?

      Republicans allege Benghazi ‘cover up,’ but of what exactly? Noel Hartman 2:10 PM on 05/07/2013

      According to former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, the “cover up” involving the deaths of four Americans is “more serious than Watergate” and will likely drive the president to an early exit from the Oval Office. On Monday, Huckabee told listeners of his radio show: “I believe that before it’s all over, this president will not fill out his full term. I know that puts me on a limb… But this is not minor. It wasn’t minor when Richard Nixon lied to the American people and worked with those in his administration to cover up what really happened in Watergate. But, I remind you—as bad as Watergate was, because it broke the trust between the president and the people, no one died. This is more serious because four Americans did in fact die.”

      Can you handle the truth?

      tv.msnbc.com/2013/05/07/republicans-allege-benghazi-cover-up-but-of-what-exactly/

      LibertyCell 3. On Sequestration, Obama berated us with "the sky is falling" rhetoric right up to the deadline. Very little of that happened, and most of what did happen was unecessary, chosen by Obama because Obama wanted us to believe his false rhetoric. Then he said that the aftermath was not as bad as "some" had predicted. He must have changed his middle name to "Some." If that had been Bush, the press would still be laughing at him.

      Me: from Idea Money Watch: http://www.ideamoneywatch.com/main/index.php?optio...

      Sequestration and the IDEA

      Q. What is sequestration? (Pronounced se″kwes-tra´shun)

      A. Sequestration is a fiscal policy procedure adopted by Congress to deal with the federal budget deficit. It first appeared in the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Deficit Reduction Act of 1985.

      Simply put, sequestration is the cancellation of budgetary resources -- an "automatic" form of spending cutback.

      Liberty Cell 4: Whether it is "legal" for DHS to be armed to the teeth is questionable, but not the only issue. Why is that agency amassing millions upon millions of rounds of ammunition, collecting machinery and firearms intended for war, when the authority of that agency, according to its title, involves only domestic activity?

      Me: I don’t get this one! Do you believe in gun control? Do you care who buys ammo and guns and how much, if you don’t believe in Gun Control and background checks?

      Liberty Cell 5. I won't get into details. Obama's view of the rule of law can be summed up by his words: "We don't have time to wait for Congress to act."

      Me: In what context did President Obama say this, where and when?

      LibertyCell 6. Ms. Shenko, read your own link! The Supreme Court has not yet ruled on DOMA. Only Obama has struck it down and he has no such authority!

      Me: March 1, 2011 - Attorney General Eric Holder appeared on Capitol Hill to testify about the Department of Justice's budget request Tuesday and wound up fielding a number of pointed questions on a range of topics. Chief among them was the Department's announcement that it will not defend the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) in current court proceedings.

      Congressman Frank Wolf, R-Va., noted that Congress passed DOMA with wide margins.

      Read more: http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/03/01/holde...

      Congressman Frank Wolf, R-Va., noted that Congress passed DOMA with wide margins.

      LibertyCell #?

      Obamacare raised the floor on itemized medical expenses from 7.5% of gross income to 10%

      Me: I don't get this one. Of course, I am not out in left field.

      Please explain.

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      Suzanne, if you understand, why call Cruz treasonous? You presume to "redirect" me, but I am condescending? Bush Bush Bush. Does it occur to you that your repeated reference to Bush indicates you are unable to discuss based on the issues? Bush failures do not exonerate Obama. Shyron is from Detroit via Chicago. You are from New York. When you left those places I wish you had left the failed politics there. Texas has a ton of problems, but impending bankruptcy is not yet among them, and the march toward a welfare state is not among the solutions. Suzanne, our discussion about socialism and fascism is infinitely more substantive than this name-calling.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Au fait for you comments.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you again Suzanne, for all the comments, they are really appreciated.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Suzanne, I am in complete agreement with you!

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      LibertyCell, in regards to ted cruz and his having authored more than 80 U.S. Supreme Court briefs.

      I hope the Justices were wearing those briefs when Mr.cruz pinned them, for what they did to this country in 2000.

      I thought James Carville had more sense than that. Don't know why he is kissing up to cruz. Maybe his love life is waning at home; you know that Carville's wife is a Republican.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      Why all the all the noise over Benghazi?

      "How about the biggest, most catastrophic attack and murder of Americans? As a New Yorker, Sept. 11, 2001, is indelibly imprinted on my psyche and I’m sure on the rest of the country. 3,000 perished in the most brutal act of terror in our recent history—all under a Republican administration. George W. Bush and his team had nine warnings that al-Qaida would attack within the United States, but they did absolutely nothing. No one in that administration’s head rolled for that stunning incompetence....But Republicans now want President Obama’s head for Benghazi."

      http://bit.ly/BushYrsAttacks

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      Your attempts at condescension and personal attack know no bounds and no end apparently. Of course I "understand" the situation. Sheesh!

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      I understand all that. So what? Redistricting is the law. Gerrymandering is bipartisan; the party that is "in" tries to stay "in." I could not agree with you more that is despicable. I wonder if you understand why Texas Democrats lost control? That happened because the party was taken over by the likes of you! Traditional Texas Democrats could not have their conservative, fiscally responsible beliefs upheld by Democratic candidates, so they left the party. Simple as that. In any event, however, it is not "treasonous" for a solicitor general to do his job, which in this instance was to defend the work of the Legislature in court. Stand by, it will happen again in 2020. Work hard and maybe the Democrats can "regerrymander" the state to your liking.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      Incidentally, just because something has existed for a long time does not mean that it is time "honored"! Pernicious and chronic would be more applicable terms in this case!

      The Twisted History of Gerrymandering in American Politics

      http://bit.ly/TwistedGM

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      "What's the Problem with Redistricting?"

      "Redistricting encourages manipulation of our elections by allowing incumbent politicians to help partisan allies, hurt political enemies and choose their voters before the voters choose them. The current process is used as a means to further political goals by drawing boundaries to protect incumbents and reduce competition, rather than to ensure equal voting power and fair representation."

      http://bit.ly/EndGerryM

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      Gerrymandering has nothing to do with the Shyron's HUB. Two days ago, commenting on this very HUB, JustmeSuzanne called Sen. Ted Cruz "treasonous", regarding redistricting (as Texas Solicitor General, Cruz had defended redistricting in Texas, which comes up every 10 years). She called redistricting "gerrymandering." I correctly pointed out that gerrymandering is a time honored political tradition that was invented in Texas by Democrats and that it took Republicans many decades to overcome the "strangle-hold" democrats had over Texas politics. All that is simple fact, it is not even debatable. I then commented that the present situation in Texas might be karma. I thought that was sort of cute, but I see you disagree. Lighten up, please! Save your anger for the spin you will be putting on the Benghazi situation. Not looking to good, is it?

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      Yes, what does gerrymandering have to do with Dubya's library? And the fairy tales said to be within? Haven't been there so I don't know, but I've heard all the disasters he presided over (and created to a large extent) have been whitewashed to make him look good, instead of showing him as the klutz he really was when it came to doing anything right.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      I hope that Medicare is there for you. I pay out of my Social Security for Medicare and my husband and I together pay more per than when I was working per month for supplemental Insurance.

      I hope that you will be able to get MC and SS.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Liberty Cell, Gerrymandering?Republicans have cornered the market on that, have you ever heard of Tom Delay, he was convicted, but he is rich and will do no time for any crime, but what does that have to do with GWB's library.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Au fait, your comments are most welcome, and appreciated.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Suzanne, thank you, I appreciate you more than you know.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      Well, as I said LC, I cannot afford to donate buckets of time to this endeavor; however, I will say that the second amendment also contains the language WELL REGULATED MILITIA. This is what Switzerland has, and it is what we should have.

      As to "fair share": as a self employed person living far below the poverty level, I pay about 15% of my income in self employment taxes, and I am eligible for no assistance. In the state of TX which does not participate in affordable care, I will not qualify for health care. Honestly, if the money I struggle to pay into social security and medicare (which may not exist by the time I am old enough to qualify) would get me some health care, I would not mind paying 15% of my meager income.

      People earning $200,000+ annually generally pay taxes at a rate of 12% or less. I want them to pay the same percentage I pay.

      I have not called you any names. I simply misjudged your ability to interpret my comment. The more you refer to this, the more you draw attention to it. I notice that quite a few of your references come from personal, conservative blogs. Hence, I suggest you broaden your reading to include established, reliable news sources.

      As to my "arrogance", well I think you have a corner on that. In my own defense, I will say that I am and always have been a voracious reader. I was reading at a 2nd year college level when I was 9. I have never been able to afford to finish college, but when I was in college my GPA was 4.0. My IQ is 147. So, yeah, I do sometimes feel qualified to make suggestions to others about information that may be helpful to them.

      I am not going to address or make any further personal statements. That is not what this conversation thread is about. Again, it seems you are seeking to engage progressive liberal democrats, and that is commendable. Unfortunately, I cannot afford to invest hours and research into answering all of your concerns, but the information is out there for people who are able to do research, as you seem to be.

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      C E Clark 4 years ago from North Texas

      So glad to see this hub is getting so much discussion on all kinds of things!

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      Oh, I forgot. Gerrymandering is a time-honored political endeavor, invented in Texas by Democrats. It took Republicans many decades to break through the Dem's political strangle-hold on Texas politics. I guess the present situation could be classified as karma.

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      Wow! Suzanne, you went way back for the reference to the UN. I agree that today the U.S. does not have to defend itself against the UN. I was expressing a very widely held belief that, through the recent efforts to pass an arms treaty and others to come, we soon may very well may have to do so. I take this “One World Order” stuff very seriously and I think Obama does, too, from the opposite perspective.

      I believe there most certainly is an attack on the 2nd Amendment. Your (and my) “idiot” Senator Cruz gave Senator Feinstein a little lesson on the subject. I found it ironic that Senator Feinstein was forced to admit that it would be inappropriate to revise the 1st, 4th and 5th Amendments as she was proposing to do with the 2nd Amendment, even though the 2nd Amendment contains the language “shall not be infringed.”

      Then she said “…the Courts should see to it that the Constitution is obeyed and adhered to….” That is exactly right. Why doesn’t she follow her own beliefs, stop introducing bills that clearly disobey the Constitution and save the courts the trouble?

      http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/...

      Thanks a heap for the Colonial history lesson. The Constitution is emblematic of the separation from Colonial America. Not one syllable in the link referenced the 2nd Amendment or any other part of the Constitution. Here are a few quotes from Thomas Jefferson that directly address the Constitution’s 2nd Amendment or its development:

      "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one." - Thomas Jefferson quoting Cesare Beccaria, Criminologist in 1764.

      The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. (Emphasis added) -Thomas Jefferson

      All one has to do to realize the folly of gun free zones is to look where gun crimes occur and compare to a map indicating the location of gun free zones. Gun registration is the first step toward gun confiscation, as we have seen historically. Also, during these times, we have a president who cannot be trusted, based on his demonstrated disdain for the rule of law and his lack of transparency.

      Legislating mental illness related to gun ownership, though pertinent to the gun problem, is extremely difficult and constitutionally evasive. A much better approach, in my view, would be to 1) Strictly enforce existing gun laws, which have relatively tough sentences, and/or 2) Establish a national minimum sentence on gun related offenses. Cutting through the social theories, the longer a criminal is incarcerated, the fewer offenses he commits.

      Regarding “big government” in general, a couple more quotes: “Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want bread.” - Thomas Jefferson

      “Most bad government has grown out of too much government.” - Thomas Jefferson

      Finally, I did not say you directed an ad hominem attack against me. I said that you defended those who did.

      The first three paragraphs regarding Obamacare were the words of experts, not me. The point was that Obama misrepresented the economic impact of the program, which he did.

      Either attach a quantifiable concept to "Fair Share" or be quiet about it. Conservatives are tired of meaningless slogans.

      You are older than you look. You are correct about the "under God" phrase in the Pledge of Allegiance. So what? I don't recall going into Christianity. As to the so called "Separation of Church and State" you are incorrect. There is no such provision in the Constitution, the courts have invented that phrase. The Constitution only prohibits the state from imposing any religion; it does not encumber religion.

      Your arrogance is astounding! You assume you can "re-direct" me as if you possess some authority or superior standing. So far as I can tell, that is utter nonsense! Let it go? Suzanne that would be my call. If and when I see that you are advising the name-callers to “let it go” I will take you advice more seriously.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      Briefly on your comments re: Affordable Health Care

      In your first three paragraphs, you are essentially saying that people who earn astronomical amounts of money will need to pay a little more and will not get as many tax breaks as they used to. These are the sundowned breaks to which I previously referred. These breaks were put in place to stimulate the economy by encouraging these so-called job creators to create jobs; however, this was not the result. Party's over. Time for them to begin paying their fair share again.

      While the cost of implementing affordable health care will initially add expense, savings in the long term will more than compensate for that as people of lower income gain access to preventative health care and regular health services. The US currently spends more on health care than any other nation in the world because we do not provide routine health care as does every other developed nation.

      It is far more costly to provide emergency and crisis care for chronic conditions that have developed due to years of lack of access to basic health care than it is to simply provide that health care. The alternative, which we are seeing more and more often these days, of turning people away from emergency rooms and refusing care to people who cannot pay is simply cruel and unacceptable.

      Aside from the long-term monetary savings, the fact of the matter is, people who believe that the US should be a Christian nation, should be 4-square behind caring for the poor and alleviating suffering. Those who are not Christians should have a normal amount of human empathy to support caring for the poor and alleviating suffering.

      LC, you seem to wish to engage progressive liberal democrats in dialogue, and that is commendable; however, I would like to redirect you to pursue wider readings to get the knowledge you seek. I write for a living. I have, so far donated a substantial chunk of my time and many words to this endeavor. I must now turn my focus to writing for money so I can pay my bills.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      Again, LC, I understand what an ad hominem attack is. I have not directed one at you. Indeed I did at Cruz, Perry, Bush, et al. My comment to you was intended to redirect you back to sticking with the issues, which you had been doing to that point. I mistakenly believed that making a fact based comment about you would nudge you to see that it is better to stay away from making personal comments about other commenters, and instead, stay on the issues being discussed. I apparently misjudged your ability to apprehend this. My mistake. Let it go.

      I dislike Cruz, Perry and Bush intensely. I am embarrassed that they represent or have represented our state.

      I consider Perry to be a tremendous burden to the state of Texas, and as Molly Ivins said, "If his IQ drops any lower, we'll have to water him twice a day."

      On your points:

      * I do not think we need to defend ourselves against the UN.

      * Nobody is threatening the 2nd Amendment. Those who interpret instilling some sort of sensible measures of accountability as such are incorrect. In Colonial America, free, adult white males were required to own guns and attend public meetings armed in case of Indian attacks. Furthermore, they were required to keep them in good condition along with a specified amount of ammunition; however, they were also required to attend "muster” on a regular basis to be prepared to defend their settlements and to demonstrate that their weapons were in safe working condition and that they knew how to use them. Additionally, in many of the colonies, the militia was required to store all guns in a secure, central location. That's your well-regulated militia. Anti-gun control supporters would not stand for this for a minute, yet they claim to be acting according to the desires of the Founding Fathers.

      To learn more about gun regulation in Colonial America, see:

      Colonial Firearm Regulation

      http://www.saf.org/journal/16/colonialfirearmregul...

      It is also important to note that in Switzerland (which the NRA has decided to point to as a modern-day mecca of gun freedom) gun owners are held to requirements similar to those listed above. They are required to put in time in military service. They are issued a single weapon at that time. They are allowed to purchase 2 more weapons. They are required to register and license them and to prove their ability to use them safely on a regular basis. Semi-automatic and automatic weapons are banned.

      Guns are at least as dangerous as cars and should be registered, licensed, insured and safety inspected accordingly. Users should be subject to periodic testing and personal licensing to determine that they possess the knowledge, skills and ability as well as mental an emotional stability to use weapons safely.

      I say this as a sharpshooter trained in the US Army. I am able to disassemble and reassemble an M16, and I am as good a shot as Rick Perry or better, judging from his immature, egotistical music video display. I also know how to fire a machine gun, and I am a bazooka expert.

      * I believe in separation of church and state as set forth by the Founding Fathers and provided by the constitution. I do not agree that it is constitutional to place religious icons in and around federal and state funded buildings and grounds. Cruz is wrong.

      * "Under God" was not originally in the pledge of allegiance. The original pledge, which I used to recite in school in the 1960s reads "indivisible", not "under God". We were taught then that "under God" had been provided as an alternate in 1954 by President Eisenhower. We were given the choice of which we wished to say. That is as it should be now. Cruz is wrong.

      I will also add that we were also taught a little bit about all religions because that knowledge is important to a good understanding of "The World Around Us". We were also given the choice of taking a moment of silence or praying as we wished on auspicious occasions. I think this is a good idea. Spirituality and the topic of religion should not be forbidden in school, nor should any one religion be pushed as the right religion.

      I say these things as a Christian.

      * The Texas Sexually Violent Predator Civil Commitment Act is the "miracle" state's attempt to save money by treating sexually violent predators as outpatients rather than providing inpatient commitment in secure facilities. Cruz is not just WRONG in this case. He is an idiot - a dangerous idiot.

      http://bit.ly/ViolentOffenders

      * Redistricting is gerrymandering. When I was in school, I was taught that this practice is illegal. Now, for whatever reason, republicans use it with wild abandon to manipulate voting districts to their advantage. Cruz is not just WRONG, he is treasonous.

      * I support Diane Feinstein, and I reserve the right to ad hominem attacks on crass, callous, greedy, self-serving pretenders to the service of We the People such as Cruz, Perry, Bush and their ilk.

      Remember, even Jesus did not suffer fools lightly.

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      Shyron, I hope all goes well with the doctors. Good night.

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      Shyron, the excerpts from the Obama speech you quoted are exactly what I am referring to as misrepresenting Obamacare. Please consider the following:

      “Those who earn less than the $200,000 and $250,000 thresholds shouldn't assume that their taxes will be unaffected by Obamacare. New limitations on flexible spending arrangements will hit taxpayers of all income levels, limiting the amount you can set aside tax-free in a flex plan to $2,500 per year. Previously, there was no technical upper limit, although most employers imposed a $5,000 maximum. But for those who have high levels of predictable medical expenses, the forced reduction in flex-plan use could cost you hundreds of dollars in extra income, Social Security withholding, and Medicare withholding taxes.

      Moreover, those who rely on deducting medical expenses won't be able to get as big a tax benefit from them. Obamacare raised the floor on itemized medical expenses from 7.5% of gross income to 10%. That may not sound like much, but it could reduce your deduction by thousands of dollars and thereby increase your tax bill substantially.”

      http://www.fool.com/how-to-invest/personal-finance...

      “Unless Obamacare is repealed, it will add $1.7 trillion in new spending. That much is certain. Any offsetting reductions are dubious, at best. Budgetary analysis and historical experience point to the same conclusion: If fully implemented, Obamacare will drive up health costs for all Americans and widen the river of government spending and debt.”

      Obamacare:http://blog.heritage.org/2012/08/22/obamacare-lose...

      The fact that Fast and Furious evolved from BUSH’s equally ridiculous Operation Wide Receiver has nothing to do with Obama’s stonewalling. Executive privilege related to Fast and Furious or anything else is not intended to be something to hide behind. The “sensitive” nature of the situation may be that illegal acts were committed. That won’t cut it.

      I saw Obama being bailed out by Candy Crowley who said that Obama called Benghazi a terroristic act the day after – Obama said “read the transcripts.” I saw Ms. Rice spew a party line on news shows all weekend long and I saw Obama calling Benghazi a spontaneous incident on ABC’s “The View” and still later before the United Nations. Finally, after two weeks and reports that the White House and the Departments of State and Defense knew what happened in “real time,” we got the truth about the nature of the attack. That hardly qualifies as a “confused timeline.” It does appear to qualify as a cover-up for a callous political decision during a presidential campaign. Again we are subjected to unrelated information from the BUSH administration.

      On Sequestration, Obama berated us with "the sky is falling" rhetoric right up to the deadline. Very little of that happened, and most of what did happen was unnecessary, chosen by Obama because Obama wanted us to believe his false rhetoric. Then he said that the aftermath was not as bad as "some" had predicted. He must have changed his middle name to "Some." If that had been Bush, the press would still be laughing at him. I know, this is a repeated paragraph, but I really like it!

      I put the word “Bush” in all caps for a reason. Why must liberals always defend their hero by bringing up Bush? I hope Bush does not die before Obama’s term is over. Bush has to be around or Obama might feel defenseless!

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Liberty Cell, not tonight, this is Doctor week, hubby has one for every part. explained in hub 'countdown to a miracle.' Doctor tomorrow and the next two days. Will answer as time permits.

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      Thank you, Suzanne and Shyron, for addressing issues. Maybe someday we can inspire a debate that will lead to solutions. As Suzanne says, “We need to stop attacking each other.” I will respond to the best of my ability, which is limited by the confines of my misinformed, incapacitated, close-minded, non-thinking, incompetent, idiotic, moronic, hypocritical, one-celled brain (good grief, to think, Suzanne, that you not only defend this level of discourse, you accuse me of it!).

      Before addressing some of the issues we are discussing, an aside to Suzanne, who referred to Senator Cruz as an “idiot.” Check out what James Carville thinks about your “idiot.” http://www.businessinsider.com/james-carville-ted-...

      Also this from a campaign article: “Ted has authored more than 80 U.S. Supreme Court briefs and argued 43 oral arguments, including nine before the U.S. Supreme Court. During Ted’s service as Solicitor General, Texas achieved an unprecedented series of landmark national victories, including successfully defending:

      • U.S. sovereignty against the UN and the World Court in Medellin v. Texas;

      • the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms;

      • the constitutionality of the Texas Ten Commandments monument;

      • the constitutionality of the words “under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance;

      • the constitutionality of the Texas Sexually Violent Predator Civil Commitment law; and

      • the Texas congressional redistricting plan.”

      I might add, since his election, kicking Diane Feinstein’s butt! Would you like to disagree with the subjects of his activities? Go for it! Whatever he is, he is not an “idiot.” Calling him one, Suzanne, is an ad hominem attack.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you again Suzanne, I lost count of the reply comments, it was not that many, but confusing.

      Too much fun in the sun, working outside has fried my brain.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Suzanne, I mixed up two posts. Sorry! And I do appreciate and thank you for the complements.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      Ah! I must have missed his Snopes post. Did you just post 20+ separate comments, Shyron? :D

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Kyle, here is one for Mitt Romney!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPrLoF14rOU

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Kyle put a youtube link on here about an Obama Phone and I mixed the up. Again I am sorry about that.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Kyle, this is not your personal platform for bashing 'our President' or anyone else. It is evident that you did not read my hub.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      TFP, did you read my hub? You are off track and off base.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Austin, did you read my hub???

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Suzanne: sorry I was not referring to your snopes post. That was intended for Kyle's remark, and not intende for you.

      I appreciate you and all your comments. You are Right On!

      And, thank you for the complement.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Suzanne: sorry I was not referring to your snopes post. That was intended for Kyle's remark, and not intende for you.

      I appreciate you and all your comments. You are Right On!

      And, thank you for the complement.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Kyle for the link to the cartoon, but don't know what it has to do with my hub.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you again Aunt Jimi for your comments.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you again Suzanne for your comments.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thanks again for you comments Aunt Jimi.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Au fait, for reading and commenting on my hub.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      LibertyCell those are not facts, that is your opinion, ONLY.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thanks Aunt Jimi, I appreciate you.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Kyle, did you read my hub or are you on here to rant and argue with my fellow hubbers.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      LibertyCell, my hub is about how GWB is trying to rewrite history to his way of thinking and then trying to sell it to us at $16 per person and expecting us to believe it. And I am sure that some will.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      I am sure you do. But, we Texans believe in truth. Anyway thanks for commenting.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Now that's a crazy, angry rant?

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Suzanne, always appreciate you!

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      LibertyCell, thanks for the continued comments.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      Shyron: Regarding your question about my posting of the Snopes link, I said "The Lifeline program, which critics have begun calling the Obama Phone program ...". I didn't say they were Obama phones. I said, critics (e.g. Kyle) call them that. And, yes, of course I read it! :D

      Good points re: F&F and president Obama's scholastic achievements.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Aunt Jimi for your comments always appreciated.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      LibertyCell, I have answered 2 of the 6 answers that you gave and will answer more later.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      It is very simple Kyle, did you not watch the video? www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge03Sys8SdA just in case you missed it.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      TFP, the only reason I approved your post, is to remind you to be respectful, even if you disagree with other people, and that you should comment on the content of the hub.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Brian for commenting on here but, what does it have to do with my hub? What is the connection?

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Aunt Jimi for reading and commenting on the post on my hub.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Aunt Jimi, for keeping us straight. Appreciate your input.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      LibertyCell, you inquired of Obama's GPS at Harbvard Law.

      Harvard Law doesn't release that information. But he did graduate with high honors, so it must have been excellent. He also was elected President of Harvard ...

      The minimum 3.8 GPA required for Harvard Law and LSAT in the 170s

      so it would be at least that if not more because that is not a guarantee of acceptance.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Did you not read the snopes link you posted? There is no such thing as an Obama Phone!

      Anyway thank you for commenting here, albeit wrong!

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Suzanne and Aunt Jimi, God Bless you both for sharing your knowledge and information.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      The Liberty Cell,

      1. Surely you can remember all the "not one dime" pronouncements?

      Quote from the REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT TO A JOINT SESSION OF CONGRESS ON HEALTH CARE

      "And here's what you need to know. First, I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits -- either now or in the future. (Applause.) I will not sign it if it adds one dime to the deficit, now or in the future, period. And to prove that I'm serious, there will be a provision in this plan that requires us to come forward with more spending cuts if the savings we promised don't materialize. (Applause.) Now, part of the reason I faced a trillion-dollar deficit when I walked in the door of the White House is because too many initiatives over the last decade were not paid for -- from the Iraq war to tax breaks for the wealthy."

      2. Congress holds everybody in contempt that is not 'filthy rich, republican or their lobbyist.' Republicans have nothing but contempt for, poor people, seniors and middle class people.

      You are right about President Obama owning Fast and Furious, in 2006 when George W. Bush owned and started it, it was called 'Wide Receiver,' then the republicans changed the name to Fast and Furious to hide the fact that it started under George W. Bush.

      01/05/2012 WASHINGTON -- In a probe of arms trafficking during the George W. Bush administration, a federal prosecutor said it was wrong that law enforcement agents had allowed hundreds of guns to go into Mexico and into the hands of drug dealers, according to documents the Justice Department turned over to Congress on Thursday.

      The emailed comment by an assistant U.S. attorney in Arizona to a law enforcement colleague in December 2008 focused on the tactic used in Operation Wide Receiver, an investigation that began in early 2006. The newly disclosed internal Justice Department documents show Wide Receiver had many of the same problems that turned up more recently in a separate, later probe called Operation Fast and Furious, which is the focus of an inquiry by congressional Republicans.

      The concerns about the earlier Wide Receiver probe that were expressed in the internal Justice Department documents deal with the law enforcement tactic of standing aside rather than arresting "straw" buyers of illicitly purchased weapons in the hopes that agents can follow the guns and straw buyers to major arms traffickers.

      The tactic, known as, "letting guns walk," long has been prohibited by Justice Department policy. But federal agents under both the Bush and Obama administrations, nevertheless, turned to the tactic as a response to long-running criticism that traditional department policies have left arms-trafficking kingpins virtually untouched by prosecutors.

      In the more recent Fast and Furious investigation, focused on sales at Phoenix-area gun shops, federal agents lost track of nearly 1,400 of the more than 2,000 weapons they were trying to track. Some of those turned up later at crime scenes in Mexico and the United States.

      The Wide Receiver investigation that began in early 2006 proceeded and used the gun-walking tactic despite the concerns expressed by some of the law enforcement personnel involved in it.

      "I am no longer comfortable allowing additional firearms to `walk,' without a more defined purpose," a supervisor for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in Arizona wrote in a June 2007 email to a federal law enforcement official in Texas about Operation Wide Receiver.

      "I think it is wrong for us to allow 100s of guns to go into Mexico to drug people knowing that is where they are going," Assistant U.S. Attorney Serra Tsethlikai wrote in a Dec. 19, 2008, email to another assistant U.S. attorney.

      Early in the investigation, prosecutors had enough to charge suspects who had been converting firearms into machine guns, but law enforcement officials decided to wait, according to emails by personnel at ATF.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      The Liberty Cell,

      1. Surely you can remember all the "not one dime" pronouncements?

      Quote from the REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT TO A JOINT SESSION OF CONGRESS ON HEALTH CARE

      "And here's what you need to know. First, I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits -- either now or in the future. (Applause.) I will not sign it if it adds one dime to the deficit, now or in the future, period. And to prove that I'm serious, there will be a provision in this plan that requires us to come forward with more spending cuts if the savings we promised don't materialize. (Applause.) Now, part of the reason I faced a trillion-dollar deficit when I walked in the door of the White House is because too many initiatives over the last decade were not paid for -- from the Iraq war to tax breaks for the wealthy."

      2. Congress holds everybody in contempt that is not 'filthy rich, republican or their lobbyist.' Republicans have nothing but contempt for, poor people, seniors and middle class people.

      You are right about President Obama owning Fast and Furious, in 2006 when George W. Bush owned and started it, it was called 'Wide Receiver,' then the republicans changed the name to Fast and Furious to hide the fact that it started under George W. Bush.

      01/05/2012 WASHINGTON -- In a probe of arms trafficking during the George W. Bush administration, a federal prosecutor said it was wrong that law enforcement agents had allowed hundreds of guns to go into Mexico and into the hands of drug dealers, according to documents the Justice Department turned over to Congress on Thursday.

      The emailed comment by an assistant U.S. attorney in Arizona to a law enforcement colleague in December 2008 focused on the tactic used in Operation Wide Receiver, an investigation that began in early 2006. The newly disclosed internal Justice Department documents show Wide Receiver had many of the same problems that turned up more recently in a separate, later probe called Operation Fast and Furious, which is the focus of an inquiry by congressional Republicans.

      The concerns about the earlier Wide Receiver probe that were expressed in the internal Justice Department documents deal with the law enforcement tactic of standing aside rather than arresting "straw" buyers of illicitly purchased weapons in the hopes that agents can follow the guns and straw buyers to major arms traffickers.

      The tactic, known as, "letting guns walk," long has been prohibited by Justice Department policy. But federal agents under both the Bush and Obama administrations, nevertheless, turned to the tactic as a response to long-running criticism that traditional department policies have left arms-trafficking kingpins virtually untouched by prosecutors.

      In the more recent Fast and Furious investigation, focused on sales at Phoenix-area gun shops, federal agents lost track of nearly 1,400 of the more than 2,000 weapons they were trying to track. Some of those turned up later at crime scenes in Mexico and the United States.

      The Wide Receiver investigation that began in early 2006 proceeded and used the gun-walking tactic despite the concerns expressed by some of the law enforcement personnel involved in it.

      "I am no longer comfortable allowing additional firearms to `walk,' without a more defined purpose," a supervisor for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in Arizona wrote in a June 2007 email to a federal law enforcement official in Texas about Operation Wide Receiver.

      "I think it is wrong for us to allow 100s of guns to go into Mexico to drug people knowing that is where they are going," Assistant U.S. Attorney Serra Tsethlikai wrote in a Dec. 19, 2008, email to another assistant U.S. attorney.

      Early in the investigation, prosecutors had enough to charge suspects who had been converting firearms into machine guns, but law enforcement officials decided to wait, according to emails by personnel at ATF.

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      Justmesuzanne: You go girl! Great information, well researched and presented and so right!

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      Well Mr. Cell, as it happens I have a dear friend who went to Harvard Law School and there is only 2 ways to get into that school. One is to qualify with really high grades and a higher L-SAT score, and the other is to buy your way in (the way Dubya got into Harvard University - not the law school).

      Given that Obama was first of all even accepted, and secondly he was Editor of the Law Review, I would say his GPA was pretty high, since neither he nor his family had the bucks to buy his way in and since competition for Editor of the Harvard Law Review is cut-throat. It pretty much guarantees a rosy future and it carries tons of prestige, so lots of people want the job.

      You didn't say what school Mr. Cell. A 3.83 at HLS is worth a lot more than a 3.83 at Jim-Bob's and Billy-Jo's Law School and Midnight Salvage. Indeed, a 3.83 is worth more from HLS than it is from the University of Texas at Austin.

      HLS doesn't even accept students they don't believe will be able to handle the pressure, and at HLS the pressure to excel is awful. I recommend the book by Scott Turow called One L. It's not that long and it's a true story about Mr. Turow's first year at HLS. Anyone who might be entertaining the idea of law school anywhere would learn a lot about what they will be in for by reading it.

      I will say that 3.83 isn't too shabby. Congratulations!

      Some schools are rinky dink schools. Sorry, but they are, and a lot of people who get degrees barely pass their classes even at the better schools. Who would you prefer to do your brain surgery? The med school student specializing in neurosurgery with all or mostly C's, or the one who got mostly A's with a couple of B's?

      I like A's myself and when I pay the awful tuition that's charged nowadays I like to get my money's worth. I pay for an A so I want to get an A, and that's up to me to do that, right? So Mr. Cell, I applaud you for your very good GPA.

      My friend's husband had a 4.0 and the highest possible score on the L-SAT and that got him accepted at HLS within 2 weeks of sending his application. He was the only student out of more that 2100 undergrads with a 4.0 and one of only 220 people across this country who had the unique combination of a 4.0 GPA and the highest possible L-SAT score.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      Did President Obama misrepresent the costs and taxes associated with the implementation of the Affordable Health Care program?

      Here is reliable information regarding the various misunderstandings surrounding Affordable Health Care.

      http://www.leahy.senate.gov/issues/fact-vs-fiction

      I am not sure what your specific concerns are. If you believe people will be taxed for not having health insurance, you are incorrect. There is a fine collected by the IRS (which already exists; therefore, a new agency does not need to be created to keep up this this.) This is a small distinction, but it is a distinction.

      If you are referring to the sundowning of tax breaks for people making more than $250,000 annually, that was scheduled to happen anyway. It is not a tax increase. It is the end of a discount. It is important to note that this discount only applied to the first $250,000 of income. People who make more than $250,000 annually still enjoy substantial discounts on their income above that amount. The only difference is that now they must pay on the first $250,000 at the same rate as the rest of us.

      Did President Obama circumvent the rule of law with the issuance of various executive orders?

      The president has the right to issue executive orders when necessary. The fact that Republicans in congress have stated that their goal is to see our duly elected sitting president fail and have, therefore, obstructed him at every turn has made a number of executive orders necessary.

      http://bit.ly/ExecutiveOrders

      Did President Obama withhold information from Congress regarding the Fast and Furious operation?

      "Executive privilege, a legal doctrine recognized more than 200 years ago, allows presidents to defy requests by members of the legislative and judicial branches for information the administration deems sensitive. The privilege ensures that the president receives candid advice from aides without fear of intrusion by Congress or the courts.

      "Although the privilege is not explicitly mentioned in the Constitution, the U.S. Supreme Court first found in the 1974 Watergate case, United States v. Nixon, a constitutional basis for the doctrine in 'the supremacy of each branch within its own assigned area of constitutional duties' and in the separation of powers principle. A similar provision exists in the federal Freedom of Information Act Exemption 5 and permits an executive agency to withhold from disclosure certain documents on which executive officials rely."

      http://bit.ly/ExecutivePrivilege

      Did President Obama knowingly misrepresent the nature of the attack in Benghazi for several days after the tragedy?

      "Fox News has taken to referring to the Benghazi incident as the 'Benghazi cover-up' by default — despite the fact that the evidence has not sufficiently established a cover-up has indeed taken place. Nothing more than a confused timeline and a lot of unclear details in the hours immediately following the attack have been proven yet...several Republican leaders have ... been calling this worse than Watergate without any substantiated proof."

      http://bit.ly/BenghaziCoverup

      It is important to note that Seven U.S. Embassies And Consulates Were Attacked Under George W. Bush, and none of the rending of clothing and gnashing of teeth that is going on in regards to the Benghazi incident were in evidence.

      http://bit.ly/EmbassyAttacks

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      @Kyle: The Federal Communication Commision implemented the Lifeline benefit program:

      http://www.fcc.gov/lifeline

      to enable low income individuals to have telephone service in 1984 during the Reagan administration. This program has changed and expanded with the times to include cell phone service, which is often less expensive than landline service and is (in many ways) a necessity in modern life. We need phone service to call for assistance in case of emergency, be available to potential or current employers and more. The Lifeline program, which critics have begun calling the Obama Phone program was started by the Reagan administration for very good reasons.

      http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/cellphone.asp

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      Aunt Jimi, my grade point average for the Master's Degree was 3.83. Since that is so important, kindly tell me what Obama's GPA was. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      You all have a few things correct when it comes to writing paragraphs, but we are not writing magazine articles, novels, or research papers here.

      With dialogue in a novel or fiction story, each person gets their own paragraph every time they say something, even if it's only one word -- "Yes," he said.

      When you write online you're in a whole different medium. People's eyes get tired staring at a huge block of print and they lose their place, and all manner of other frustrating tedious things turn them off.

      3 sentences is the maximum I would aim for writing paragraphs online, depending on the length of the paragraph. It is often necessary to break up a subject that in an academic paper would be all in one paragraph.

      This subject has been discussed a lot in the forums and what it comes down to is that people stay on your page a lot longer if you have a fair amount of white space so their eyes don't get tired, and so that they don't feel intimidated by a huge block of print even before they begin to see what you have to say.

      Check out a copy of the U.S. Tax Code some time and you'll get a better idea of what I'm talking about. Legal sentences can sometimes take 3 or more pages. Yes, just one sentence takes all that space and more. Then people wonder why lawyers charge so much . . . and even when being paid those exorbitant fees lawyers don't want to read that stuff either. Readers here on HP aren't being paid anything, so make it easy and pleasant for them.

      In general, 3 sentences is the minimum number of sentences that should be in a paragraph and 3 words is the minimum number of words that should be on one line. That however, mainly applies to research papers and English writing assignments, etc.., it may not work so well online.

      Obviously you can write your paragraphs any way you like, but if you want people to read them and get you page views, etc., you may want to adhere more to the white space rule.

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      TFP 4 years ago

      Screw you, Brian! I was giving MY opinion on how long a paragraph should be. You said in your own post that you believe proper paragraph length is open for debate.

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      Brian Wasko 4 years ago

      I find it funny how many of you advocating multiple-sentence paragraphs wrote paragraphs of one sentence. You can’t just make up rules, folks. Well, I guess you can, but no one is obligated to follow them. I don’t care if you “think” a paragraph should be so many sentences, and I struggle with a teacher of college English who states with authority that “a main body paragraph ranges from 7-10 sentences.” It DOES? Says you. In my experience teaching writing, paragraphs in formal essays are usually better if they have at least three sentences. But it depends on a number of factors. In fiction, paragraphs are commonly a single sentence. Flip open any novel and I bet you find a single-sentence paragraph somewhere on the page. Check the dialogue.

      We can talk about what makes a good, thorough paragraph, but why must we resort to simplistic rules? It’s not helpful.

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      Austin Chadd 4 years ago

      I think a paragraph should at least be 4-5 sentences long. If any shorter than that you can’t really discuss what is in each paragraph.

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      TFP 4 years ago

      @Jimi

      I’ve always felt that a paragraph should be at least three sentences: one subject sentence plus two or three sentences that expand on the subject’s thought.

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      Here is a quote from your first attack Mr. Cell. By the way, when you call yourself 'cell' are you referring to a single celled organism? Maybe your brain?? I think if you would tell us what keeps your head from caving in it would be far more interesting that the drivel you are currently showering us with. Talk about golden showers! You're the king in that arena.

      "Well folks, Aunt Jimi has given us all a crystal clear illustration of the caliber of the "thinking" of a typical Obama supporter!" This was your first personal attack on me, Mr. Cell, when you were not knowledgable enough to find anything substantive to say -- mainly because what I said is correct and so there was nothing you could do to counter it, thus you proceeded with a personal attack on my character -- typical Conservative/Republican/Tea Bagger.

      You only have to read back in the comments to see all of your attacks, but you expect Ms. Suzanne to do all of that for you. Talk about somebody too lazy to work! Or maybe your reading ability is not the best? For sure your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired. What school did you say you got your degrees from again? And what did you say was your grade point average overall at graduation? I don't remember that you did say. Hmmmmm . . .

      I've noticed you've never heard of paragraphs too. People want to read a huge block of print such as you have in your comments about as badly as they want to read the U.S. Tax Code.

      Your issues are non-issues for the most part, Mr. Cell. They've been answered over and over again just like the birther issue. You have nothing relevant to say so you just keep beating a dead horse.

      Interesting that you question my caliber of thinking when at least I'm able to do so. More than you can say for yourself Mr. Cell. Lucky for Conservatives that they are of simple mind. Otherwise they would be embarrassed for themselves the way the rest of us are embarrassed for them.

      Your latest rant on issues resolved weeks ago makes it obvious that you're a little slow because that was yesterday and we've moved on.

      You are so busy with your personal attacks and smelly red herrings that you wouldn't know if something relevant popped you in the face.

      Did you know that Mrs. Bush has advised her son Jeb NOT to run in the next election? Bet you didn't. ;) I think Mrs. Bush is very wise.

      I have no problem with Dubya having a library and I stated that earlier in this soap opera of yours. Most recent presidents have their own libraries so why shouldn't Dubya? Again, I already made this statement several comments up and I'm guessing your reading comprehension is in question again here.

      Neither do I have a problem with Mormonism, and I know a lot of great people who belong to that denomination. My issue was with the Romney's equating their religious missions with being in a war. You are indeed a typical Republican because instead of defending the Romneys for their wrong headed idea about that, you instead twisted my words to suit yourself.

      I can understand your word twisting, because that's what Republicans do, and more importantly, because there is no logical defense for the Romney's attitude about their stance on that subject. So what is there to say?

      The Romeys don't live in the real world, and why would they with all that money? None of their sons will ever go to war and they've said so. Money can buy safety and even life, but only if you have it. I don't think you live in the real world either, but for different reasons.

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      JustmeSuzanne, I hope I am discerning. In the context of the PERSONAL insults issued repeatedly to me and others, would you be so kind as to show me even one personal attack from me? Addressing the strength of another's comment does not constitute an "ad hominem" attack. It is my opinion, based on experiences such as these, that liberals are not accustomed to being challenged and immediately begin insulting those who challenge them. I suppose they have no choice. Obama, did, in fact, misrepresent the costs and taxes associated with the implementation of Obamacare. Obama did, in fact, circumvent the rule of law with the issuance of various executive orders. Obama did, in fact, withhold information from Congress regarding the Fast and Furious operation. Obama did, in fact, knowingly misrepresent the nature of the attack in Benghazi for several days after the tragedy. Please review all the comments associated with this HUB and note how little the issues I brought forth are addressed.

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      AuntJimi, Ms. Shenko asked the question (to me and blrrr) "Name one thing that President Obama got a pass on." I listed six things. Ms. Shenko responded. I elaborated on the six things. Interspersed in that exchange were your rants and other untruthful comments about the intelligence of George W. Bush. My reference (to you) regarding you not "being within a mile" of an issue involved the six items under discussion. Your issues, right out of left field, included references to Mormanism, the Supreme Court and the 2000 election and other ramblings. Of course you piled on more inane insults regarding the absence of light in the conservative mind and the usual references to idiot and morons. The source of Sequestration, I believe, is Barak Obama. Nothing on that subject is "well established." There are many articles citing Obama as the source, many articles citing various Republicans and I have even read one article that cites the source as a phone call between Biden and McConnell. I have never called you "crazy." Rave on, AuntJimi. You do liberalism proud!

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      Faythe F. 4 years ago from USA

      @ Au fait if I came across to you as I was attacking you ..then I offer you an apology...That was not my intent at all...

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      Faythe F. 4 years ago from USA

      #1..I don't know how you got the idea that I was in anyway picking in Aufait........leave it to you to belittle people...I see that is what you are about..

      # 2.. I am glad that you picked up on the fact that it is you that I am talking about...I didn't see anyone else , calling anyone a MORON...

      #3. You say leave it to a Republican to blame anyone who doesn't agree with them...Well HELLO "POT".

      #4...I do not think our Soldiers and our relatives are FREE LOADING BUMS and I believe they should get every penny they earn and even that is not enough..I do Not an any way believe that our Military should have to wait for their paychecks either.......Hmm what does Obama say about that ?..I do not think our military should be told that they may not speak of Christianity when our country stands behind ...IN GOD WE TRUST...

      #5. You know nothing at all about me or any of the posters here that you are calling moron..all you know is that they aren't as upset about a library in the name of George Bush doesn't bother them as much as it does you...that's all..

      # 6. George Bush, sure he made some mistakes, ..But remember when Obama first ran and was elected he was going to fix all that....Its time he and you stop blaming Bush and fix it.....

      #7.. He is not going to fix it ..Instead we are worse off than ever..and he is not going to fix it..Gitmo still open..deeper in debt..Bengazi cover up..deeper in debt, fast and furious, deeper in debt..Oh and did I mention that we are deeper in debt and sinking...and believe me people are waking up..I say IMPEACH

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      faythef, I don't know why you're picking on Au Fait about these issues when anyone who's paying attention knows it's me your talkin' about. Neither Au Fait nor anyone else is in control of me or what I write.

      Leave it to a Republican to blame anyone who doesn't agree with them for the words and actions of people Republicans don't agree with. Seems to me Au Fait merely made a couple of remarks about how nice it is that Ms. Shyron's hub is encouraging discussion and then you want to pick on her for not kissing your rosy cheeks in her remarks.

      There is a good deal of information in my remarks besides the obvious (that some people are morons). You're right though, faythef. I called Romney an idiot because I disagree with him.

      I don't agree with Romney that 40% of the population is on the public dole, nor do I consider members of our military, Social Security recipients, or our veterans, free loaders depending on government doles. In fact we don't do nearly enough for any of those people I listed.

      Anyone, ANYONE, who thinks these people are freeloaders and wastrels totally dependent on the government is an idiot and a moron. If you had a loved one included in this group as so many people have, you would have voted against Romney too.

      I guess you're in agreement with Romney and you think our soldiers and veterans and our seniors who worked hard all of their lives to help make this country great, are freeloading bums. Frankly, believing that is to me far worse than calling an idiot just what s/he is -- an idiot.

      You're correct in that no light will come on, but not because of the name calling. The light will not come on because with Conservatives there's no light in the first place. That's why yall's minds are closed -- the shades are pulled and the electricity is off. Nobody's home.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      Well, thanks for showing off, Liberty Cell. Actually, my post regarding ad hominem statements was intended to bring a point home to you. I really thought that you were discerning enough to see the inappropriateness of having a discussion about a topic suddenly turned into a discussion about the personal attributes of those involved in the discussion. (As you had just done with your comment about another poster.) Sorry you missed the point.

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      Faythe F. 4 years ago from USA

      Au fait..Discussion is always good...But not when it becomes about name calling etc... No discussion no light just calling people morons....because they don't agree with your way of thinking..no point in having a discussion....minds are closed , eyes are blind and ears are deaf...

      And I am not saying that Shyron did that by the way....

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      Actually, I wrote about Romney's 40% statement which had a lot to do with his losing the presidency. I also wrote about his wife's idea that the little Mormons going door to door spreading their word was the same as going to war. 2 issues there that were in the news just before the election and that made a HUGE difference in who was willing to vote for him.

      Then I talked about Obama's Electoral College landslide.

      Next I talked about how Conservatives never object to paying taxes to kill people and break their stuff (TAX $ support), and they always scream about helping poor people/families/children with necessary healthcare and food.

      Finally I talked about how SCOTUS installed Dubya in the presidency his first time around and not the Electoral College.

      YOU didn't address any of these ISSUES, but instead accused me of a crazy rant and you made all manner of red herring statements which you no doubt pulled out of your backside. So, I think you have no room to talk. However, I would expect no less from a hypocrite, hypocrisy being one of the main building blocks of a Republican. They always accuse other people of what they are themselves doing. Always, never fails.

      It is an established fact that the Republicans invented sequestration.

      I addressed your own misinformation and your own attitude. It was never my intention to discuss substantive issues with you Mr. Cell because you do not have the capacity to understand what you are talking about. May as well have a conversation with a chair. Besides, I'm still working on the dog . . .

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      C E Clark 4 years ago from North Texas

      My goodness Shyron, you seem to have touched a nerve with this hub! Good for you. Discussion is always good. Every now and then a light comes on for someone. Great hub!

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      So I never have any facts. I enumerated them, 1 thru 6. Ms. Shenko addressed one of them: Sequestration was Obama's idea by saying "not so!" All the rest of the liberal rhetoric has been name-calling rants. You haven't come within a mile of an issue!

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      Did you copy that from somewhere Mr. Cell? You seem to have no original thoughts -- talk about conservative status quo . . . and yes, like most conservatives you are pretty absurd and nauseating. You never have any facts Mr. Cell. Do you even know what they are?

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      Liberal status quo, id est Aunt Jimi, et al: Bona fide ad hominem, per se, ad absurdum, in toto, ad nauseam!

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      You doubt I know the meaning of ad hominem? Really? How full of yourself you are. I am trained as a medical transcriptionist and a medic and took some Latin in school. I do, indeed, know the meaning of the Latin terms I use.

      Your rankings, etc. are pertinent here because you are communicating within a community that has a specific rating system. If you are going to make personal comments on the quality of the statements of others without any kind of reference to materials that back up your point of view, you should at least hold a position within the community that gives weight to your statements.

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      Kyle 4 years ago

      I think that rant was crazier than the last. Congratulations!

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      Why do Republicans always think the truth is "crazy talk" or a "crazy rant?" It's easy to check everything I said on Google. Shyron has a couple of hubs that are very specific on the subjects I raised. Read them.

      Or maybe you can't read? Jaw flopping on autopilot is always a bad idea. Always know what you're talking about before you put your foot in it because you just never know how deep it is.

      You're worried about Texans, Kyle? Don't worry. Texans can be counted on to sing the Republican line no matter what. Blind loyalty to the people who are giving it to them from behind right up until the day they die.

      Mr. Cell, better to have liberal thinking than no thinking at all. I'd tell you how to get started but I fear you've been ignorant for so long your brain is crusted and no longer capable of thought. Just keep on believin' what you believe. In a few years (10-20) there will be more liberal votes in Texas, hide and watch, and then you will be even more irrelevant than you are now. Just imagine when CA, TX, IL, and FL all go Democratic! :)

      faythef (is that anything like thief? A typical Republican malady.) The reason I can't get my point across is because it's impossible to reason with Conservatives. For years now I have recommended to people who try to reason with Conservatives that they first get themselves a very smart dog and practice reasoning with the dog. When they feel that they have succeeded it is time to try reasoning with Conservatives. Good luck with that. You may prefer to stick with the dog since Conservatives rarely catch on.

      Agree with Justmesuzanne. Mr. Cell, you should stick with your own level of incompetence. While I'm only a 2 on here because about a year ago I deleted everything and didn't write for a while, I'm much higher up the ladder elsewhere. Unlike yourself, when I'm not sure what I'm talking about I do some research on credible sites, I don't ask my neighbor or anyone else who is likely to agree with me. I don't want yes people around me, I want the truth. Yes, I know, truth is a very foreign concept for Conservatives.

      Mr. Cell, I think you shouldn't insult Ms. Suzanne. I rather doubt you know what ad hominem is yourself.

      Ad hominem: (of an argument or reaction) Arising from or appealing to the emotions and not reason or logic.

      Attacking an opponent's motives or character rather than the policy or position they maintain.

      Got your number Mr. Cell and you know it. Sticks in your craw donit? I've been steeped in politics for a long time and I know how things work and how they should work, not always the same thing.

      Most rank and file Conservatives have no idea about anything. They only know what somebody told them because they can't figure anything out for themselves. They accept what their Party leaders tell them without question because they don't know who they can trust to tell them the truth or where to go to find truth. That alone =s moron. :)

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      Justmesuzanne, I doubt that you understand the meaning of " ad hominem." I was commenting on a classic example of such an attack. My remarks only invited us all to look at it as an example of the writing of an Obama supporter. One could form one's own opinion on it's quality; perhaps it reminded you of Hemingway, I don't know. I fail to see how my blogs or rankings are relevent. How about we discuss things based on the truth of the issues?

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      Kyle 4 years ago

      I sure hope no Texan would believe anything in that crazy rant.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      Liberty Cell,

      You have 10 mono-topic HUBS and 4 followers, and you are a Level 1 Commenter. If I were you, I would cease and desist the ad hominem attacks.

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      Kyle 4 years ago

      Wow, now that's a crazy, angry rant!

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      Faythe F. 4 years ago from USA

      Absolutely incredible....When all else fails and you can't get your point across then resort to calling anyone who doesn't agree with you a moron...

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      Well folks, Aunt Jimi has given us all a crystal clear illustration of the caliber of the "thinking" of a typical Obama supporter!

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      Aunt Jimi 4 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      Romney was such a liar and such an idiot saying 40% of the people were on the government dole and he was including Social Security recipients as well as our soldiers and veterans! Anyone who would even consider Romney was and is a moron. Tough on you Republicans to accept that most people do not agree with you. If we did Obama wouldn't be president.

      Anyone who thinks going door-to-door trying to convert Christians and others into Mormons is the same as fighting in Iraq and/or Afghanistan or any war, is a MORON. That was Romney's wife's idea and I expect they must agree or she wouldn't have put it out there in the mainstream media for everybody to chew on.

      I know, once people are used to being governed by people they can identify with (morons), they just want to keep on, but the people all over this country woke up and the Electoral College gave Obama a landslide! He won the popular vote too.

      Republicans need to think about the wars and all the people dying, and then they'll feel all better and forget all about who is president. Just keep your mind on people dying Republicans and y'all will have one loooong giddy feeling. Republicans love death and destruction so long as it's not their own. That becomes obvious when they never complain about paying taxes to support wars, but always complain about paying taxes that would provide healthcare to save lives.

      The Electoral College didn't choose Bush over Gore. The Electoral College never had a chance. It was the Supreme Court, most members having been appointed by Daddy Bush, who made it possible for the Shrub to be president his first time around -- SCOTUS put Dubya in office. There were essentially no votes involved because SCOTUS made the decision and so no one needed to have voted. SCOTUS stopped the counting of the votes in Florida. Had they been duly counted Gore would have been president and the collapse of the stock market in 2008 might never have happened. Ms. Shyron wrote about that I think -- the stealing of the presidency by the Shrub crowd. You should read her hub on that subject.

      So just remember if you're a Republican, don't get angry and frustrated. Just think death whenever you start feeling that way and you'll feel better immediately!

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      Kyle 4 years ago

      @bilrrr

      "I do not understand how the American people could have rejected Mitt Romney in favor of Obama."

      High minority voter turnout and a fear of losing government hand-outs were two of the main reasons.

      "Oh that's right, they did not! Al Gore was chosen as President by the people but OVERTHROWN by the Electoral College!"

      Please see the U.S. Constitution. Popular vote does not decide who wins the presidential election.

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      1. Surely you can remember all the "not one dime" pronouncements Obama made regarding increased taxes and/or fees relating to Obamacare. Just a tiny bit of objectivity would be appreciated! The fact your memory is so weak is yet another indication of the lack of investigative reporting by the fawning mainstream media.

      2. Ms. Shenko, et al, "F & F" is Operation Fast and Furious - remember the botched program by ATF that placed thousands of guns in Mexico, got hundreds of Mexican citizens and an ATF officer killed? Obama/Holder are still hiding information. Holder has been held in contempt of Congress. If that had been Bush, the headlines would still be there today.

      The cover up of the Benghazi atrocity is all about seeing that Great Britain and the Red Cross vacated the area, receiving numerous appeals from our people in Benghazi about the dangerous environment and refusing to do ANYTHING to protect them; then lying like hell about the truth of what happened. Then we get "what difference does it make?" This tragedy resulted from the dishonesty of the Obama presidential campaign. He couldn't brag about terrorism being on the run and simultaneously help his own people in Benghazi. So he let them die. You don't think the press is helping with that cover up?

      3. On Sequestration, Obama berated us with "the sky is falling" rhetoric right up to the deadline. Very little of that happened, and most of what did happen was unecessary, chosen by Obama because Obama wanted us to believe his false rhetoric. Then he said that the aftermath was not as bad as "some" had predicted. He must have changed his middle name to "Some." If that had been Bush, the press would still be laughing at him.

      4. Whether it is "legal" for DHS to be armed to the teeth is questionable, but not the only issue. Why is that agency amassing millions upon millions of rounds of ammunition, collecting machinery and firearms intended for war, when the authority of that agency, according to its title, involves only domestic activity?

      5. I won't get into details. Obama's view of the rule of law can be summed up by his words: "We don't have time to wait for Congress to act."

      6. Ms. Shenko, read your own link! The Supreme Court has not yet ruled on DOMA. Only Obama has struck it down and he has no such authority!

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      LibertyCell I decided to answer you tonight.

      One thing?

      1. Lied repeatedly on Obamacare and taxes. Still lying today.

      What Lie in regards to Obama Care?

      And Taxes? Because he will not go back to the Bush tax cuts for the RICH?

      2. Lied/covering up F&F ? you must be talking about my hub 'Bush's Passionate Kisses from King Abdullah'.

      Benghazi? What lie about this. They have three of the men involved in this. http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/02/world/africa/us-liby...

      3. Lied about ill effects of Sequestration? What Lie? http://www.politico.com/p/pages/sequestration/

      blamed Republicans when it was his idea. Not So!

      http://uspolitics.about.com/od/thefederalbudget/a/...

      http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/05/03/member-o...

      4. Arming DHS to the teeth while whining about gun control. http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/ssabullets.asp

      5. Habitually issues Executive Orders that circumvent rule of law and erode your Constitutional rights

      http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ndrp.asp

      6. "Cherry picks" which immigration laws he will enforce, refuses to enforce DOMA. Gets a pass from the press on that and more, but I am tired.

      The supreme Court struck down DOMA not President Obama

      http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/how-the-supre...

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      My pleasure! :D LOL!

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Suzanne, I did not check on any of LibertyCell's answers. I think on the F&F thing he must be talking about my hub 'Bush's Passionate Kisses from King Abdullah'. LOL

      That is so funny, thanks for sending the link, I just went there.

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      I will get back to you on these LibertyCell. I am tired also and I have a life away from hubpages. Tomorrow I have an acre of grass to mow.

      Good Night.

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      One thing? 1. Lied repeatedly on Obamacare and taxes. Still lying today. 2. Lied/covering up F&F , Benghazi. 3. Lied about ill effects of Sequestion, blamed Republicans when it was his idea. 4. Arming DHS to the teeth while whining about gun control. 5. Habitually issues Executive Orders that circumvent rule of law and erode your Constitutional rights 6. "Cherry picks" which immigration laws he will enforce, refuses to enforce DOMA. Gets a pass from the press on that and more, but I am tired.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Billrrr, thank you for stopping by, you are right, President Obama does not get a pass. But, he does not get a bucket full of passes either.

      Name one thing that President Obama got a pass on.

      GWB was deposited in the seat of the deposed President Gore by the U.S. Supreme Court.

      LibertyCell, I have lived in Detroit, Chicago and now reside in TEXAS. Not attacking Texas, just the summer heat. But, I will take the heat over the cold anyday.

      Thanks again for stopping by.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Billrrr, thank you for stopping by, you are right, President Obama does not get a pass. But, he does not get a bucket full of passes either.

      Name one thing that President Obama got a pass on.

      GWB was deposited in the seat of the deposed President Gore by the U.S. Supreme Court.

      LibertyCell, I have lived in Detroit, Chicago and now reside in TEXAS. Not attacking Texas, just the summer heat. But, I will take the heat over the cold anyday.

      Thanks again for stopping by.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      http://web.archive.org/web/20061002024618/http://w...

      Bush - ben Laden connection (one of them)

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      LibertyCell, I appreciate your commenting on this hub.

      Obama did not get a pass on Sandy's disaster. In FaCT Christie: On Hurricane Sandy, Obama has “kept every promise he’s made”

      Posted April 29, 2013

      http://hotair.com/archives/2013/04/29/christie-on-...

      Votes in Florida were never counted, many counties were not counted.

      Did you watch the video.

      President Obama did not vote for late-term-abortions. Would you read my answer to Brenda Durham above, the answer is there.

      Yes it is the heat that is drawing people to Texas, that is what drew me here.

      I neve said that GWB was dumb. When he can get the ben Ladens to invest in his oil venture and then sell "Arbusto Oil" and leave his investers high and dry. That is not dumb.

      GWB was deposited in the seat of the deposed President Gore by the U.S. Supreme Court.

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      Bilrrr, we can leave Al Gore for another time. His recent behavior speaks for him quite well. Your comment was refreshingly honest. It's not difficult to find fault with GWB; he had plenty of them. But he is not dumb (I KNOW what I'm talking about on that subject, which puts me ahead of most if not all of the other commenters). Attacking the GREAT LONE STAR STATE OF TEXAS is abjectly stupid. Economically speaking, comparing conservative to liberal philosophy is like comparing Texas to Detroit, in terms of both size and condition. One thing is sure: Shyron Shenko really knows how to write an interesting and controversial hub, doesn't she?

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      Bill Russo 4 years ago from Cape Cod

      Obama does not get a pass from the press. He gets a whole bucketful of passes! He can get away with anything. Let the record show that I DID NOT VOTE FOR HIM. However, saying that and admitting that, does not give G W a pass. He was NOT a good president. Obama is NOT a good president. The difference is that the press tries to mold Obama as an effective leader and that is seriously wrong. I do not understand how the American people could have rejected Mitt Romney in favor of Obama. That said, I cannot understand how the American people could have voted for GW over Al Gore. Oh that's right, they did not! Al Gore was chosen as President by the people but OVERTHROWN by the Electoral College! Just throwing in my three cents LibertyCell. We are all Patriots and we love the country.

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      Jim Lyde 4 years ago from Austin, Texas

      The difference between Bush's Katrina and Obama's Sandy was the press. Bush was vilified, Obama got a pass. The Dem's problem in Florida during the 2000 election was that they did not falsify enough votes and were not allowed to try again. Illinois State Senator Barak Hussein Obama actively supported and VOTED for late-term abortions. RE: "It must be the heat (Texas). Is it the heat that is drawing people and businesses to Texas, or is it the lack of taxes and the potential for growth? Is it the heat that created an $8 billion surplus? How does the economy of your liberally governed state stack up? The truth just eats you people up alive, but you always have your Sal Alinsky playbook, don't you? George W. Bush is not dumb. I doubt that any of you saying so have even been in the same room with him. If you had, or if you had tried to get him to sign a bill, or even had a casual conversation with him, you would not think he was "dumb." Sorry, yes you would; you must not allow the truth to interfere with the message. What GWB is not is "glib." Oh, BTW, neither is Obama without a teleprompter. Liberals confuse glibness with intelligence. Therefore, Roseanne, Rosie O'Donnell, Sean Penn, etc., are somehow smart.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Suzanne for your comment, up and awesome vote.

      Your are right about Texas, must be the heat.

      God Bless you!

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Billrrr, Al Gore not only won the popular vote, if the Flordia votes had been counted (did you not watch the video?) he would have also won that state. Instead the Supreme Court Chose GWB the did not do a re-count.

      Several things need to happen, eviscerate the Electoral College. Change the super majority rules back to the majority rules. Don't think that will happen.

      Thank you Bill for your comment!

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Aunt Jimi for your comments, I remember discussing this with you when we were working together. Some of this had not come back to me when I answered Ms. Durham's post.

      God Bless you my friend.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      @ Brenda & faythief, thanks for your comments.

      Here are my answers.

      I don't know where you are coming from with the abortion thing. I don't think I mentioned abortion at all in my hub, but I can give you lots more.

      Do you want MORE on abortion? Just say so!

      http://www.abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_...

      Compared with 2000, In 2008, approximately 1.21 million abortions took place in the U.S.

      The Abortion total Decreased by 6%

      The Abortion Rate Decreased by 7%

      And the Abortion Ratio Decreased by 8%

      2002 an estimated 1.29 million

      2001 1.31 million in

      2000 and 1.36 million.

      Patriotic Bush?? LOL

      Do you mean his Patriotism when: 9/11 George W. Bush helped his good buddy Osama ben Laden's family leave this Country (Marble Falls, Texas, United States of America), ON AIR FORCE ONE no less? What was he Dubya afraid would be found out about his connection to the ben Laden family

      Real Patriotic of him.

      Do you mean, when George W. Bush stood on the deck of a ship, in his flight jacket, May 1st 2003 and declared "mission accomplished" when the war in Afghanistan was not over? In case you have slept, this is 2013 and the war in Afghanistan is still not over. THE MISSION HAS NOT BEEN ACCOMPLISHED!

      Do you mean when, George W. Bush, ordered the American Troops to allow the escape of his good buddy Osama ben Laden, where he was trapped in Tora Bora, Afghanistan? Now that is what YOU call patriotism? I do not!

      Tora Bora, Afghanistan , The officer who led the Delta Force mission to kill Osama bin Laden after 9/11 reveals what really happened in Tora Bora, Afghanistan, when the al-Qaeda leader narrowly escaped. http://www.military.com/video/operations-and-strat...

      Oh, maybe you meant, his patriotism when he and his swift boaters attacked John Kerry for having received three (3) Purple Hearts in Vietnam. My Opinion: The coward was jealous.

      Speaking of Vietnam

      Or do you mean his patriotism when he was drafted by the Army, and he did not want to go to Vietnam, and Daddy George H. Bush, pulled some strings to get little George transferred to the Alabama Air National Guard (albeit, he had a lower score than any of the other applicants?) Is that the epitome of patriotism or what? Don't need to answer that, it is or what!

      Were you even born at that time? Maybe you were not around during the Vietnam War.

      Bush Jr. went AWOL.

      Did you know that desertion during time of war is TREASON not patriotism? Do you even know the difference?

      Do you want to know more?

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      justmesuzanne 4 years ago from Texas

      Between Dumbya, Rick Perry, Joe Barton and that idiot, Cruz, Texas has the most embarrassing bunch of politicians on the face of the earth. I cannot believe Bush even has the gall to open a library. The man can't even read. Good Hub! Voted up and awesome! :)

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      Bill Russo 4 years ago from Cape Cod

      Are they going to have a library for President Al Gore? As I recall, he won the popular vote over G W Bush. If so, why wasn't he named President? Oh that's right, we the people do not elect a President. The nation's top job is given to the Electoral College winner. When are we going to have direct elections of President and get rid of this colonial holdover Electoral College that has overturned the will of the American people?

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Au fait, for reading and for your comments, they are deeply appreciated.

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      Brenda Durham 4 years ago

      Shyron, if that's how you feel about George Bush's legacy, then you should start picketing now against Obama's legacy. As in......the millions of unborn babies (and some born!) who've been killed on his watch and at his encouragement.

      Also, he's as much of a warmonger as Bush ever was. It's just that he's not very picky about which Country he incites rebellion and discord in or between. At the very least, Bush was actually trying to protect America. So really, although you have the right to feel however you want to about him, I think you should at least be fair about it.

      The Bush legacy has MANY things honorable about it. One major one is that he has a heart of patriotism. Even for the people who, like you, scoff at his right to even have a Presidential Library, something every President has. Amazing to me how people want to stomp a good man into the very ground that he protected during his time in Office.....

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      C E Clark 4 years ago from North Texas

      People have short memories, especially when they don't want to admit their chosen one has messed up (in Cheney's words) BIG TIME. Interesting how things are swept under the rug when people have forgotten and moved on to the next news story.

      Voted up and awesome!

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