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The George Zimmerman Trial Legalities

Updated on April 12, 2012

As you know, George Zimmerman, turned himself into authorities in Florida and has appeared in front of judge and has been charged with 2nd degree murder of Trayvon Martin. But before everyone calms down and returns to their everyday life, like the OJ Simpson case, this will be tried in the public opinion as the trial begins in late May.

Yet, ALREADY, prominent attorney's, both prosecutors and defenders, share a common thread of agreement about the information the DA filed to prosecute him. That is, the charge of 2nd degree murder will not hold unless there is more. The information filed by the DA was threadbare of facts, which are generally included to support the charge. Some think, the DA, who is up for re-election in Florida, is doing a public relations bit, knowing full well, if nothing is done, she will not get re-elected. DA's frequently over charge for a crime when evidence is less than good in order to negotiate a lesser charge in a deal, such as, manslaughter. Florida's law on self defense complicates this further because the DA has to prove that Zimmerman did not have just reason to think his life was in danger, which is not easy.

The DA has said no racial slurs were used. It is not a hate crime as the media and others have been pounding away at for 40 days. Florida is a very open discovery state, where both sides exchange evidence. It is not a crime to call one an "asshole" or "punk", in fact, all races use there terms frequently. The whole case stems on the what happened "just before" the struggle began, who did what first. The DA has a problem because there are no witnesses to that, only during the struggle and some time before it. Did Trayvon instigate it by confronting Zimmerman or did Zimmerman make first contact? We know what happened after this and slightly before it. It is only a short period of time- seconds, but crucial seconds as to who started the physical contact.

Many legal experts think the DA does NOT have a slam dunk case at all and the defense actually has it easier because much of the evidence has been in the public arena for some time and unless the DA has evidence they have not disclosed (any eyewitness to the encounter) some legal experts think Zimmerman might get an acquittal for lack of proof.

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      Steve 5 years ago

      George Zimmerman is not on trial because he shot a black teenager during a scuffle. It's not the facts of the case that brought him here. It's his name. Had his last name been Pereira, none of this would have gone anywhere. And it's not the name alone, it's that in this time and place lynching him will help make the political fortunes of everyone from the man in the White House to his cheerful smiling prosecutor who is already counting her campaign cash and book deals.

      Zimmerman with his book of quotations from the great thinkers of history, a man who clearly believes in the old fashioned virtues, is particularly ill-equipped to understand what is being done to him and why. The quotation that he plastered on flyers while investigating the beating of a homeless black man and on his own website, is more apt than he realizes.

      The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is indeed that good men do nothing, but as a corollary to it, those are exactly the sort of men that evil will go after. It does no good to read Burke quotations to a Kardashian society which makes its determinations not on truth or justice, but on its omnipresent need for entertainment. Trying to reason with it only makes it angrier. Talking about virtues and decency to people who have none either confuses them or infuriates those few who understand the concept in some distant way.

      We aspire to behave the way that George Zimmerman did, to contribute to our communities, to defy the conventional wisdom and speak out when we see wrongdoing. We believe that all that is needed for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing. And we are only a misstep away from being George Zimmerman, from doing the wrong thing, from intervening in the wrong fight, drawing the wrong cartoon or saying the wrong thing at the wrong time, a heartbeat away from appearing at the bar of the kangaroo court of stage managed public opinion.

      In our own way we are all George Zimmerman. We think that society should be moral and rational, and that people should do the right thing. But that's not what it is. It's an insane braying donkey's laugh as the thieves, large and small, rob the people blind and then muscle them into a lynch mob to go after some handy victim. It's George today, it will be someone else tomorrow. Maybe someone who even deserves it. But it won't be the people destroying the country, because they're the ones leading the mob.

      George Zimmerman has been chosen to serve as a gladiator in the circus that distracts a bankrupt nation from the criminal folly of its leaders, large and small. He has been assigned white team colors, had an NRA badge pinned to his lapel, and is being shoved out into the stadium while the lunatic mob howls for blood. The Emperor of Hope and Change has already made the thumbs down gesture, the courtiers are rushing out to fix the match.

      Like Kafka's protagonist, Zimmerman has been protesting all along that this is some sort of mistake. And he's right. It is a mistake. Had the engineers behind the lynch mob gotten a good look at his photo, they might have pulled back and looked for a better victim. Someone who more properly fit their bicoastal idea of a "cracker" to string up on the crooked scales of Lady Justice. But once a mob has gotten started, it's hard to shut it down. And there's no real need to stop.

      In the past, a media organ that reported a blatant lie might have at least paused on getting caught, but we live in a post-fact society now. The only thing that happens is that the media shrugs and doubles down on the narrative. George Zimmerman isn't white? Just call him a white-hispanic. Insist that Latinos are really white even though your entire practice has been to loudly scream the opposite. Accuse anyone who points out that Zimmerman doesn't look much like Larry the Cable Guy of being a racist. Problem solved.

      Zimmerman thinks it's a mistake because he's not guilty. But as Kafka might have told him, guilt or innocence has little to do with it. Zimmerman wasn't indicted on charges of shooting a man, but of being a racist, of being the living embodiment of American inequality, NRA lawmaking and a dozen other sins. These are not charges that he can ever shake, because they are not legal crimes, they are political crimes.

      The true charges against Zimmerman are 'class charges', they indict him as the representative of a class, white racists, gun owners and the entire heteronormative patriarchal class of men who quote Edmund Burke, carry guns and feel entitled to trail troubled black teenagers in their community. Lynching Zimmerman is not about putting one man away, it is about putting everyone away. It is about the absolute triumph of the system and its ideology and about putting the individualist in his place, in a small cell and an orange jumpsuit.

      The original title of "The Trial" was "The Process" and we are always in the middle of a process. The process begins before we are born and ends only when our bodies and estates are disposed of to the complete satisfaction of the system. The point of Kafka's book was not whether the defendant was innocent or guilty. The point of the process was the process. The purpose of the trial was the trial.

      We are all on trial under the system. That is the nightmare that Kafka anticipated. It is a reality that was already taking hold in the Soviet Union even while he was writing. The purpose of the trial is the absolute power of the system and its ability to snatch up anyone, examine them and then dispose of them. The theater of the trial informs everyone who lives under the system that they are at its mercy.

      The very randomness of choosing Zimmerman, the contempt for the basic facts of the case, has become part of the message. The message is the same. The facts don't matter. The decision making process doesn't matter. Leave your evidence and your Burke quotations at home and watch how the wheels spin, the gears grind and the blood flows. The message is that the system is absolute and there is no escape.

      This is evil. It is the very essence of evil. It is an evil that Zimmerman could not have seen coming or understood when he was out patrolling his community. It's an evil that is all around us. We can catch glimpses of it on the evening news, in the sneers of anchormen, the practiced smiles of politicians, it's there in Angela Corey's helpless grin, it's there in the mountains of paperwork, the lines of tiny print, the lines of people waiting at bulletproof windows, the morality mobs forming up digitally for the next victim to string up, the next popular opinion to enforce, the next skull to crush.

      The beast that is doing its best to swallow up Zimmerman knows no facts or truths, it has no virtues, only goals. It cares nothing for what he did or did not do. Its only goal is to swallow him whole. It has eyes made of cameras, teeth made of guns, network cables for guts, a mind made of slogans and a nervous system that always needs stimulation. The beast may fail in its task, but it will let out a brief howl and move on to the next victim.

      For all that the beast seems terrible to Zimmerman now, it is no larger than Obama's water dog, it is one of a thousand such animals wandering through studios, courtrooms, legislative offices, chambers and all the corridors of power. If it should fail, it will break up into a thousand pieces, the reporters will go back home, the racial hucksters will head to the next trouble spot, the protesters will go back to hanging out on street corners, the cops will ride past them, the prosecutor will treat it as a learning experience, the lawyers will add it to their calling card, and the politicians will sniff the air waiting to see which way the wind blows.

      In movies trials end in some larger conclusion, some lesson learned, some principle defended. That will not happen here. The people who run our system no longer believe in those things. They don't read Burke, they don't even hang Andy Warhol on their walls, he has become too structured for them. There are no more lessons except the lesson of power, the grand game of guilt and terror, the spectators crowding

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      perrya 5 years ago

      What else can be said until the trial. Not much.let's just wait....

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      Quickvue 5 years ago

      @Mr. Perrya: Zimmerman is Lying.............You are just in denial.....

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      quickvue 5 years ago

      @Tim: If it is such a tragedy then who is responsible for the unfolding events? ZIMMMMERMAN PERHAPS. You talk about racial equality and say that I am the racist when I defend Trayvon and judge Zimmerman on the facts presented. I am going on the facts presented. What facts about Trayvon are pertinent to what Zimmerman did? Tell me. And just to set the record straight If anyone was killed like Trayvon, be they white, yellow, blue, green. or slightly pink. then the prepretrator should be held accountalbe. So stop twisting my view into racial overtones. Zimmerman had a problem with black guys because of the the robberies in his complex. Those that committed the robberies were wrong. If they were black guys then they were wrong. But you all seen to not see Zimmerman for what he is. Therefore I say it is you all that have the problem. If Zimmerman had been black and Trayvon white I say the same, Zimmerman is responsible. Are we clear on this now? The lead dectective did not believe Zimmerman: Why? Because Zimmeran is a big fat lying piece of slime. My heart is grieved over the death of this teenager whom the right wingers have tried to smear. But I believe in karma and from what I have heard she is a bitch... I believe in justice. And Justice should be color blind. Tell me Tim, why was Trayvon suspicious to Zimmerman that nite?

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      perrya 5 years ago

      Yes, his wife did lie to the court. if z is lying, we'll find out. Too premature now.

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      QUICKVUE 5 years ago

      @Mr. Perrya: Well, forgive my typos but I am not perfect. If I am biased then what are you? Don't patronize me Mr. Perrya. Read the link I sent you. It is worthless to agrue with you Zimmerman supporters... Let me know of any more typos I have. Sorry.....Angela Corey went for 2nd degree murder.. Oh boy this is getting interesting.. I never heard you disclaim all the lies Zimmerman has told. Do you usually believe what a liar tells you? Have a good day.

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      perrya 5 years ago

      Angela may get manslaughter.I think because you calling complete strangers various names etc., clearly indicate that you are totally biased and if the trial (not trail, as you keep spelling it) does not go in T favor, you will be one of those to state it is "white man's law" and hate non-blacks further. You clearly would not be selected on a jury, which will be huge problem in this case. But, I am sure there must be some open, unbiased people who will just look at the facts and law, like I am. Most everything outside of the 90 sec of confrontation has little meaning, IMO. Z's defense is stand your ground law, will T's attorney prove Z was racist, hunting him down like an animal and with premeditation want to kill him, miracles happen.

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      QUICKVUE 5 years ago

      @Tim: I take it you must be in the Army: Hmmmmmm I will be thru pretty soon but further on down the road from you to the Navy Base. But I prefer we meet in Sanford, Florida and talk this out like grown military men. Let us TAKE A STAND face to face on what we differ. No cussing is allowed.. Remember we represent the military 24/7. Agreed?

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      Tim 5 years ago

      I'm out tonight. Perrya, your points are valid. Unfortunately it sounds like the typical dysfunctional American family. Not a black, white, yellow dysfuctional family quickvue. This is a tragedy in America and should not revolve around the color of a person's skin. Good night.

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      QUICKVUE 5 years ago

      @Perrya: You are entitled to your opinion as I am entitled to mine. I do not believe Zimmerman would have reported

      Trayvon if he had been white. You can defend him all you want so I will defend Trayon. Zimmerman has established himself as a liar. Just because he had injuries on him does not mean he is innocent. Maybe Trayvon was fighting for his life. To say Zimmerman was in a fight for his life his injuries do that indicate it. And what does Trayvon's dad shacking up with his girlfriend have to do with Trayvon walking from the store minding his business. You Mr. Perrya need an enema also. I pray that Zimmerman outcome is equivalent to what he did to Trayvon. And most normal people would be outrage over the killing of Trayvon but where is your outrage? And you never answered my questions did you? So If I referred to you as "trailer trash" (that is what I heard folks called ignorant poor red necks) would it be ok? You said watch over the condo not to chase people and confront them. Either way it goes Zimmerman is screwed. He should have stayed in the car? He should have not followed the young man? He should have listen to wiser advice. So let him pay for his bad judgement. Maybe he can stay at your house. I have no sympathy for Zimmerman. And you can believe that. I just hope and pray Angela Corey produces her special evidence against this loser. Let the trail begin.....

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      perrya 5 years ago

      Yes. Race has nothing to do with this as you seem to be trying so hard to do. The report that supports much of what Z stated is the independent doctor report that confirms all the injuries, which many state are lies. There is circumstantial evidence to support some of what he states. The problem for the prosecution is that there is NO eyewitness to the confrontation and T is dead, the only possible one besides Z. Everything else is before or after. All of the other material does not show alot: calling another asshole is so common, means nothing. Z would have said if the T was purple. His use of asshole was in the context as " suspected criminals". This condo had five robberies before this which is why they wanted someone to watch over it. The store T walked from was a mile away, why does he choose to this route that he was unfamilar with? His father had no idea what his son was doing as he shacked up with a girlfirend. Finally, he gets concerned (by now T was dead) and calls police to report his son missing in a very calm manner-very weird. Most parents would be freaking. The tape speaks for itself.

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      Tim 5 years ago

      You represented yourself as still being in. Let me know if you're ever in SA, we can surely chat.

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      QUICKVUE 5 years ago

      @Tim: It is inappropriate for you to call folks out of their names. I knew my mother's name and what you attached to the end of it was not her last name. Hmmmmmmm you have me confused with someone that really is concerned about your childish outburst. I will say it again sir, WHAT MADE TRAYVON SUSPICIOUS TO ZIMMERMAN? You can get mad all you want but I am just stating the facts. Zimmerman killed a teenager unecessarily and for what? What if it was your son? Oh my let me say what Zimmerman says how can I be racist when I have white friends? Do me a favor and check out this link: http://bcclist.com/2012/06/13/debating-george-zimm... It is useless agruing with you Zimmerman supporters. What kind of world do we live in where a grown ass man sees it necessary to shoot an unarmed kid just because he looks suspicious. You, my friend, need and ENEMA. And learn to control your anger it is not healthy for you. I was once stationed there at Ft. Sam Houston and I did not find the army to my taste. Can we meet somewhere else? Lunch is on me...

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      Tim 5 years ago

      Just come down to SA if you're looking to get smoked.

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      Tim 5 years ago

      I can not argue with a person who can not think for themself and judges every situation based on the color of their skin. People like you are the biggest obstacle to unity in this country. Your references to white people shitting themselves if they saw you really pisses me off. If you're ever TDY to Ft Sam, just let me know. You retarded, racist motherfucker.

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      quickvue 5 years ago

      @Tim: I disagree. All Zimmerman 911 calls were towards young black males. See you have to be suspicious for Zimmerman to call the PO PO on you. You have to have your hands in your waistband. You have to be just walking about checking out the houses (Of course in the rain.) And don't forgot the hoodie, the arizona ice tea, and skittles, and oh yeah the gold teeth. And don't forget to smoke a joint also. Well, I know this does not describe little proper white boys that lived in Zimmerman's hood so I guess THEY ARE SAFE... Oh yeah, I think another criteria is that you would have had to be BLACK. Why would Zimmerman call 911 on a white teenager? They are not suspicious.....LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. You folks crack me up. It's funny but it is not funny at how you all defend Zimmerman then call people racists when in fact you are the racist yourself. Thank God there will be a judgement day. If justice if not served now it will be served later...I am going to be keeping my eyes on you. You one of those slick ones....

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      Tim 5 years ago

      Yep.

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      QUICKVUE 5 years ago

      @Tim

      If Trayvon had been white that nite do you think Zimmerman would have called 911 on him?

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      QUICKVUE 5 years ago

      @Tim: Sorry to be rude but I do not need you to lecture me on what Raicism is and just for your info I am not a Racist. But when you look at all the scenarios of how Zimmerman got himself into this mess do you actually believe Trayvon's race had nothing to do with it? I believe and Zimmerman explain it himself in his 911 call. He judge him because he was black so maybe Zimmerman is the racist here not me. I am just going with the presented facts. Zimmerman called to report a suspicious black male in his community. So you tell me what made Trayvon suspicious even though he was doing nothing wrong? And you are the one generalizing here. We need to stick to what happened that nite. Zimmerman is lying like it is no tommorrow. I take this case to heart because that could have been my son that nite. Trayvon did not deserved to die that nite. The FBI is treating it as a hate case so you are barking up the wrong tree. I think Zimmerman is and should be convicted. LIAR, LIAR, pants on fire........

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      quickvue 5 years ago

      @Mr. Perrya: You stated: "if the facts prove Z started the confrontation, more power to him. But, people who refuse to even listen to facts supported by doctor's and police reports are simply racist themselves." LOL... What does the police report prove and I hope you are not talking about the incompetent Sanford Police department who are under scrutiny themselves. Chief Lee has been fired and there has been a history of racial tension between Blacks and the Sanford Police Department. Explain to me why the lead dectective did not believe Zimmerman and wanted to charge him with manslaughter. You are contradicting yourself old man. If you can't listen to the facts against Zimmerman that points to his conviction then you my friend are the biggest Racist. I have my suspicious that you are anyway... You can't fool me. This argument with you gainsayers and Zimmerman supporters is worthless. You all would not know what integrity was if it sat in your laps. And you never answered my question: WOULD YOU BE SAYI NG THE SAME ABOUT ZIMMERMAN THAT YOU ARE NOW IF IT HAD BEEN YOUR SON THAT WAS KILLED THAT NITE? Please answer the question....

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      Tim 5 years ago

      @quickvue

      That is JUST plain stupid…Blacks are just as racist as Whites…or Asians…for that matter. I know many Blacks who harbour quite a bit of racism, and try to date an Asian woman (particularly Korean)…You will see how quickly she gets harassed by her parents/friends/and the Korean community…

      Racism exists among all races. Spike Lee is racist. Al Sharpton is VERY racist. “Racism is mostly a white thing” has got to be one of the most ignorant things I have heard today. I am shocked sometimes by what I hear/read on various Facebook walls from my former Black highschool mates. Recently, one girl posted on my friend’s wall and said that White people are the devil and are responsible for all evil in this world…

      I posted that I was very disappointed to see that kind of thing on my friend’s wall, and he apologized and a few people replied, but for the most part, a LOT of people didn’t condemn her for her comment.

      So…STOP making generalizations….Are YOU racist? If not, GOOD! But don’t be so ignorant as to claim that racism is mostly White…

      Racism IS, however, a flaw/illness that EVERY human is capable of displaying…Our job is to remove this flaw from our daily lives…just as we remove hatred, fear, anger…We are ALL equally capable of being racist, or angry, or negative…and if you choose to host such feelings, you will be the one that suffers. I, like many of the Black, White, and Asian people that I choose to associate with, do NOT allow racism to exist in my heart.

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      Orchid 5 years ago

      I'd like to point out that although there is racism and discrimination in every culture, every ethnicity and the like, here in Australia one of the big things I've noticed (at least in my town) is that the caucasion population is greatly slandered against with terms so derogatory as being called "white, land-grabbing c****" - and yet, if I (as a caucasian woman) were to ask a young adult aboriginal member to leave their push bike outside of the supermarket I work in, or to show proof of age identification in order to sell them cigarettes, I am labelled as racist - DESPITE never having spoken anything of a racist or discriminatory manner.

      So I will ask, why does it seem to be becoming a crime to be a person of caucasian background and/or appearance? We cannot choose our skin colour any more than people of African-American, Mediteranian or Asian appearance or origin.

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      Quickvue 5 years ago

      @Tim: The lead detective said all this would have been avoided if Zimmerman had stayed in his car. No matter which way you flip it, Zimmerman is solely responsible for the death (murder, killing) of Trayvon. Also we live in America where people are judged by their skin color. That is just the way it is. Blacks have caught hell in this country and I can attest to the racial injustices that I have seen and experience. I do not want to pull the race card here but I will if I have to. But there is one thing I have to correct you on that I do not agree with. Zimmerman was half processed and not thoroughly investigated by the incompetent Sanford police department who is in big trouble right about now. Had they followed the suggestion of the lead detective to charge Zimmerman with manslaughter we would not be here now. Second, I believe Zimmerman thought he could get away with killing that young lad. I guess he didn't. Zimmerman profiled Trayvon from the start. Therefore it became racial. "These assholes they always get away." Never thought it was a crime to walk a public street and be viewed as "suspicious" and up to no good. And let us not get into the 50,000 million zillion trillion lies Zimmerman has told. I am saying let justice be served. Zimmerman is a liar and I do not believe he is being truthful. What if this had been your son? I thought so. But remember we live in America which is still a very racist country.. May God help us all...

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      perrya 5 years ago

      @Tim, many experts see it the same way. if he walks, he might be a dead man walking.

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      Tim 5 years ago

      I have listened to the audi tapes and they seem to exonerate him. It is zimmerman screaming for help. Hard to argue that with a backup witness who saw him on the ground with the 6'3" "child" on top of him screaming for help. Also, everyone keeps saying the 911 operator told him not to follow martin. This is not true. The operator said "we don't need you to do that". Very different. With the witness, the bloodied nose and head, wet grass stains on his back, he'll walk. He will not be convicted. Rightfully. sorry.

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      perrya 5 years ago

      if the facts prove Z started the confrontation, more power to him. But, people who refuse to even listen to facts supported by doctor's and police reports are simply racist themselves.

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      Bob 5 years ago

      George Zimmerman was originally processed without any racial influence and lawfully released according to the evidence of the incident. Then the racist groups caught wind of it and decided to use it to stir up their continuing racial strife and woe is me propaganda.

      The NAACP effects every community and work place in America in the worst possible way for all Americans as would the KKK if that still existed and accepted. These groups continue to exist because their leaders don't know how to be just plain Americans. Ancestry and skin color description of who you are should be secondary to "I Am an American". These leaders that call themselves reverend are not worthy of reverence as they are the oppressors of the Negro race and a disgrace to our American society.

      It is a pity that officials in high places (such as FL State Attorney Angela Corey) and most every personnel department in private and governmental business are influenced and afraid of these racial groups that have no business to exist in a non-racist America as they are the equivalent of a peaceful adaptation of the KKK. Or should it also be tolerated to force a Caucasian agenda?

      E.G. All that needs to be done in the work place (for a person of the Negro race) is to protest and threaten to file a complaint and get the NAACP involved and miraculously the rules and regulations that pertain to all workers are over looked for these that are familiar with how the NAACP empowers a racist agenda to them.

      And now we all are witnesses to this happening on the highest level as these racist groups and so called reverends rise up with their continued brainwashing unifying their segregated followers and that influences the media to convict a man through public peer pressure that then influences those in authority to appease the organized racist of our day. All in the misconception that they are anti-racist but in reality they are following a racist agenda.

      It is not about race, guilt or innocence it is about how the masses are influenced through half-truths and a lack of individualism, patriotism and respect for our countries law and constitution that is in place to protect all citizens equally.

      Down with racism! Let us all be individual Americans familiar with our constitutional rights and the laws that govern us. Not in hearsay via group and media influences.

      Don't be a group follower! Be an "American" Not a segregated "fill in the blank____ American" Your oppressors will keep you in a segregated group it is an Americans right to be an individual!

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      quickvue 5 years ago

      @Mr. Perrya: dementa my friend is getting the best of you. I knew you were a Zimmerman supporters. I see you have climbed down off the fence and taken a stand. Zimmerman has said a lot of things but they have all been lies. Therefore your true racial intentions are now being revealed. You were not there and I was not there but from the evidence of things Zimmerman is in a heap of trouble. Take a look for yourself. He just can't get all his lies together and you dumb wits are suckered in by this liar. SAD! Maybe I believe you have a problem with the darker hue folks. Hmmmmm I am getting real suspicious of you Mr. Perrya. Click on this link and see the lies of your good old boy Zimmerman.. http://bcclist.com/2012/06/13/debating-george-zimm... Someone told me it was worthless to debate with you Zimmmerman supporters........ I will take his advice.........SAD.......

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      perrya 5 years ago

      Actually. Z did say he was on his way back to the truck, T startled him from behind, 10 ft away, and challenged him, Yo, do you have a problem? Z said, no problemo. Z was nervous, he looked down to get his phone, within seconds, T had closed in, "you do now", and smacked him first. They scuffled, Z went down on his back. the rest is history.

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      quickvue 5 years ago

      @Patti: Correct me if I am wrong but initally Zimmerman said Trayvon came up from behind and hit him in the back of the head knocking him to the grown but in the reenactment video Zimmerman states Trayvon was standing in front of him.. Uh, hmmm, well, aahhh... LIAR, LIAR PANTS ON FIRE

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      Quickvue 5 years ago

      @Silly Pattie: Trayvon should have beaten Zimmerman to death. Oh and by the way why is it that the lead dectective did not buy Zimmerman's story and wanted to charge him with manslaughter. You know why because Zimmerman is lying. Explain that one....

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      Quickvue 5 years ago

      @Patti, Attikos and Mr. Perrya: Patti says: "To me it makes no sense that Zimmerman would hunt down Martin and kill him." Hmmmmm, Patti let me add my "to me" episode to this drama. To me it makes no sense for someone like Zimmerman who said in his police report that Trayvon unnerved him so badly when he circled his car until he had to roll up his windows. Then seconds later when Trayvon ran he chased him. Hmmmm why would you get out your car and chase someone you considered suspicious. You Patti and just like the other wingers on this page and thru Zimmerman your words speak volume. You referred to the deceased Trayvon as an "undesirable". You have no respect for this young man to judge him as such. Trayvon was doing nothing wrong that nite. None of you pathetic right wingers can tell me his crime that nite that justified his killing. Second with all the overwhelming evidence against Zimmerman you still defend this man. Why because you harbor the same sad sentiments as Zimmerman, that Trayvon was suspicious and that he was up to no good and something is wrong with him. You are no better than you and it is ignorant women like you with your racial overtones that handicap justice in our society today. Answer me this question Miss Pattie Cake, if IT HAD BEEN YOUR SON THAT NITE WHO WAS KILLED WOULD YOUR SENTIMENTS BE THE SAME? Until you honestly answer this you should remain silent because everytime you open your mouth you make yourself look like a fool. Either way this verdict goes the Lord above knows for the "eyes are the Lord are in every place beholding the evil and the good." God will render justice. Do you have a problem with that?

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      Patti 5 years ago

      For anybody who reads this piece I want to give you the facts, both photo's that we are continually shown are over 5 years old. George Zimmerman is not 250 lbs, he has lost 80 pounds since the old picture was taken. The weight difference between him an Trayvon Martin was only 15 pounds not 100. Still even if their weight was close their knowledge of fighting was very different. Trayvon Martin was studying MMA fighting and George Zimmerman most likely had not had a fight with a man since high school. But all said Trayvon could have very easily beat George Zimmerman to death if George had not defended himself. I don't think ether of them were saints but I do believe the story Zimmerman told the police the night of the shooting. To me it makes no sense that Zimmerman would hunt down Martin to kill him. Second degree murder entails you did not plan to kill but you did want to kill at the moment of the killing. I believe George Zimmerman did not want to kill Trayvon Martin, but felt he had no choice since Trayvon would have killed him if he did not shoot him.

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      Jim 5 years ago

      I believe in synchronicity. In my 7 decade life I’ve experienced numerous instances of it. Perhaps the weirdest occured on my birthday in 1976. I took the day off from work but had no one to share it with. I was unhappily involved in a relationship with an engaged woman who was leading me o towards misery. My life was spiraling out of control in many areas and a sense of failure rattled through my brain. I lived in a studio apartment, bare except for a mattress and cat. Hoping to find myself I took LSD about 10:00am. I went through the most intense trip of my life, at one point experiencing the youth of my father, who had been dead for 13 years. At another point I was huddled on a huge plain in Israel with my family and all the Jews that ever lived. Jimmy Cliff was on the radio singing “By the River of Babylon” and I wept copiously as I remembered Zion and felt as one with my tribe.

      Around 6:00pm I was coming down from my trip.

      I felt wonderful, repurposed in my life/career and at peace with myself. As I lay on my mattress, smoking a Marlboro I realized that I was starving and horny. At the moment I thought that my doorbell rang, which was odd because I never had visitors and almost noone knew my address. At the door was a pretty woman I knew who was a rival of the woman I was seeing on the sly. There was no way I could figure out how she knew my address. Not only that but she had a huge bacon cheeseburger and french fries for me to eat. I ate, we made love and a desolate day had turned perfect in all respects. We never saw eachother again. I stopped seeing the engaged woman. Won a full scholarsip at an Ivy League school and enrolled in the Gestalt Center. Within the next four years I had a career, met the love of my life and began a family.

      That trip had revealed to me that rather than being an “outlaw” living on the “edge”, I was a nice Jewish boy from Brooklyn. How that woman arrived at the moment she did bearing food and other favors is to me an example of synchronicity.

      At the time I could find no other explanation for it.

      It has happened to me many other times, but that was the most memorable.

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      Quickvue 5 years ago

      @Mr. Perrya: The trail is not soon enough.......

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      Quickvue 5 years ago

      @Mr. Perrya: Read Patti's previous post where she referred to Trayvon as an "undesirable" and tell me why you didn't reprimand her for her bias and somewhat racist conclusion and glorification of the death of this black teenager. Birds of a feather do flock together. You and Patti seem to have the same agenda. You just seem to be a little more subtle in your presentation. No matter how you change the spots on a leopard, it will still be a leopard. I see you and Patti for what you all are. SAD!

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      perrya 5 years ago

      Okay, then, when is the trial?

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      Quickvue 5 years ago

      @Mr, Perrya: Call it what you will. If I want Zimmerman to pay for his actions then I guess I am biased and will continue to be biased against the unecessary killing of a young black teenager by an overzealous wannabee cop. CAll me biased if I believe we all have the right to walk on a public street without beening viewed as suspicious because of our skin color. Call me biased if I believed Trayvon was defending himself from a perceived threat by Zimmerman. I will continue to be emotionally biased as you stated until justice is served in this case. Woe unto them that call good evil and evil good. Zimmerman is responsible and should pay for the death of Trayvon. Call me biased in my emotions I care not. And you should be ashame of yourself. Of all the overwhelming evidence against Zimmerman the right wingers are still defending this man. UNBELIEVABLE! Something is wrong with our soiciety today.

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      perrya 5 years ago

      @ quickvue- your emotion really makes you very biased, in your eyes, there is only one way for the trial to end. If Z is convicted=fine, if he is not=fine.

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      quickvue 5 years ago

      @ At all the Zimmerman supporters out there. If you tell a lie make sure you stick to that lie.. I just watched lying Zimmerman reenactment of the events that led to Trayvon's death. Ok, I thought he originally said Trayon hit him from behind and knock him to the ground. Then in the reenactment Trayvon was standing face to face when he hit him.. When will this madness ends. ZIMMMERMAN IS A LIAR.....

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      quickvue 5 years ago

      @Perrya

      So Trayvon was in the wrong place at the wrong time? Where exactly should be the right place at the right place for Trayvon? If you ever said anything truthworthy it was this statement: Trayvon did nothing wrong. Zimmerman, however, did everything wrong: He formed his own prejudical opinion of Trayvon just because he found him suspicious. What was so suspicious about Trayvon. Was it because he was black? Was it the hoodie or was it Zimmerman's own intent to see that "these assholes they always get away"? All that is necessary for the truimp of evil is that good men do nothing... That is a famous quote I love to use. If Zimmeran walks free a strong message is being sent: You can pursue anyone, start a fight then shoot and kill them and claim self defense. The state of Florida needs an ENEMA! Let the trail begin. We know that Zimmerman is lying. I hope and pray justice is served. My heart is heavy because of this and to all the right wingers out there I wish that it could have been your son that day instead of Trayvon. Angela Corey I hope you have done your homework. Let the trail begin.....

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      perrya 5 years ago

      Trayvon did nothing wrong but was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Zimmerman did nothing wrong up to the time the confrontation occurs, now supported by the investigation of the Z video tape the day after. The is and remains, who started the end of Trayvon's life?

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      quickvue 5 years ago

      @Patti: Finally your true intentions are revealed. You are no better than the asinine right wingers that are defending the actions of Zimmerman on that nite Trayvon lost his life. None of you contemporary idiots can tell me what Trayvon was doing wrong that nite? Since you want to get nasty about it then let's do. Your underlying racial overtones and callous statements concerning Trayvon are unjustifiable and indicative of your close mindedness to see the facts presented before you. A young teenager lost his life and all you all can do is smear his name as if he was the responsible party. ZIMMERMAN IS A LIAR. I hope and pray to God that Angela Corey has that special evidence to lock this scum bag up for the rest of his pathetic life. Was Trayvon "undesirable because he was black? Answer me that question you insignificant piece of protoplasm. The only crime Trayvon committed that nite was walking while black. I would have put a beat down on Zimmerman myself if he chased me. But I gurantee you the outcome would not have been as Trayvon. What this case does reveal is that there are still race problems in this country. And it will get worst. You know nothing about this young man but yet you judge him. LOL.. You people cannot see the facts right before you. Zimmerman was guilty the moment he left his vehicle and pursued Trayvon. Sybrina Fulton should catch a round trip ticket to where ever you live and give you a come to Jesus meeting. Ask anyone in the hood and they will tell you what that means. And Miss Patti your boy Zimmerman has been lying from day one. And he will continue to lie. And you and all your cohorts will believe his lies because you all seem to view black men as "suspicious". Therefore you are no better than Zimmerman. SAD! Trayvon sm0ked pot and your point is. That doesn't give Zimmerman the right to shot the young man. What was Trayvon doing wrong the nite he was murdered by Zimmerman? None of you idiots have been able to tell me that. Just like you believe Zimmerman I believe DEE DEE. Now run and tell that. Oh by the way you should try wearing a hoodie may improve your understanding of the situation. LOL..................I am going back to work...

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      Tim 5 years ago

      Think about Mukden, Gulf of Tonkin, the Sudentenland – whatever incident fills the bill. They are situations where a perception was exploited, whether you agree the original perception was justified, to expand a different agenda, usually exaggerating some danger or injustice. That higher agenda didn’t really care whether truth was served or not, or whether myths were employed as long as certain ends were achieved.

      The above is the way I see the Trayvon Martin case. The black community and the political Left have taken a killing and made it into something far above what it may or not have been, and in their eyes, the case is closed. All these calls for ‘we just want an arrest’ seem phoney – what they in fact want is a conviction. Just wait and see what happens when Zimmerman walks and you’ll learn the truth of it.

      In order to serve the racial obsession of the Left and urban myths about white Americans past and present, Zimmerman was magically transformed into a white man. Further, and despite massive statistical evidence that presents a completely opposite picture, the Left used the Martin case to say ‘See, we told you so – white people are murdering blacks in this country every day – hunting them even.’ One thing becomes the entirety of the United States of America because it is not seen as an anecdote, but confirmation of a massive trend.

      Well, it is a lie. A lie based on hate and racism. The Dem Party has been veering into dangerous territory for at least a decade now and today they have become the most radicalized they have been in my lifetime. This radicalization has gone mainstream.

      Although I suspected it, I never really believed the NBA Player’s Association would release such a patently racist press release as they did about the Martin case – you can’t get more mainstream than that. Blacks who bitterly complain about injustice, like Spike Lee, a mainstream film maker, who usually confines his whining to attacking Clint Eastwood because he didn’t depict heroic blacks at Iwo Jima, or that we should all do a Zimmerman on Cleopatra and turn a Macedonian Greek into a black sub-Saharan African, went off the rails and tried to release Zimmerman’s address – violence was certainly implied.

      The real core of this situation is the urban myths black American’s hold about white people in America and the history of America, and the extent to which the liberal Left has bought into them, as if it’s still 200 years ago, slave ships still plying the waters of the Atlantic, or at least Jim Crow firmly in play. To invoke this, the Left has had to replace the now gone institutions of racism with ‘code,’ ‘dog-whistles,’ bizarre and inescapable theories like ‘white privilege,’ ‘the New Jim Crow,’ and Critical Race Theory.

      Almost unbelievable racists are institutionalized in our mainstream colleges and universities: Dr. Boyce Watkins at Syracuse, Michael Eric Dyson at Georgetown, Melissa Harris-Perry at Tulane, Cornel West at Princeton and the vile James Cone at Union Theological Seminary. On top of this, you have similarly intransigent racists like Al Sharpton at MSNBC, Tavis Smiley at PBS, and Roland Martin at CNN. I have followed the writings of these people: there is not a single doubt in my mind they share the same intellectual and philosophical space as Nazis in 1930s Germany. The Dem Party is not far behind.

      The Left and black Americans pillory groups like the Tea Party or GOP as racist simply because black folks don’t join them, not because they are structured around race. And every single entity that accuses the Right themselves either belongs to, or supports mainstream race-based groups too numerous to mention. Meanwhile on that conservative Right, they support not one mainstream law or organization founded on a concept of race.

      Those on the side of Martin as being evidence of the endemic racism of America constantly ask others to do something they refuse to do: think of the greater good. The Duke Lacrosse case had the exact same racist sadness emerge from the black community.

      In my entire life, I have never seen such a wholesale flood of hypocrisy, lies, racism and myths emerge from the Martin case as I’ve seen emerge from black Americans and the Dem Party. They have gone too far this time. What will be the result is unknown. Obama and Holder and their payback minions have already done more to radicalize blacks in a few short years than in the last 50. They have done so to a receptive audience, nodding their heads yes that America is full of white supremacists who simply went underground in 1970.

      It is hard to believe I live in a country where a black Florida representative can show up to work dressed like a Bangkok hooker from a strip club and say the most vile racist things about whites. It is hard to believe that not one congressman in America has the guts to stand up and say ‘get out’ to the Black Congressional Congress. There’s more – I’ve written enough.

      But I will say this: let’s no longer ask why there was not one Iraqi who had the guts to blow out Saddam Hussein’s brains, or one German close to Hitler do the same. Under far less perilous circumstances, we have become muzzled by one piece of name-calling which, considering the reality of America, is a perfect Orwellian expression of ‘doublethink’: you are a racist. Pitiful. Resolve: gone. Courage: gone. Audacity: gone. Common sense: gone. Proportion: gone. Context: gone.

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      Marjorie 5 years ago

      I freely (but not proudly) admit I bought into the angelic Trayvon narrative in the beginning. In hindsight maybe it is because my sons have had friends (black, white, Hispanic) throughout the years who were no more ghetto thugs than my own sons. They all wore hoodies.

      Common sense prevailed. This has nothing to do with anything other than Trayvon, Zimmerman and the facts of that evening.

      The BIG story is more about what I label a “Plantation Call” by the Rev Al. There was a problem in that the left feared a loss of support among those voters they have come to depend on throughout the years because of the economy.

      What better way to unite than to exploit a situation and fight a common enemy, the white man.

      George Zimmerman. Mmmm...perhaps the Rev Al did a little racial profiling of his own based on nothing more than a name?

      I have pulled back from the events of that evening, trying to think of how to avoid falling into the trap of choosing sides.

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      Patti 5 years ago

      I'd LOVE to be able to consider "DeeDee's" testimony but there's simply nothing that is the least bit believable about the girl.

      Team Skittles is using Sheila's deceit about finances as proof George is a murderer (quite the quantum leap there) yet they want to believe every word of a girl who's failed to tell the same story twice. There's no desire to dismiss her, she's been dismissed because her story has more holes in it than Martin does, and her post event behavior is pretty solid evidence that there was no serious relationship between the two.

      For any of your scenario to be plausible, it implies pre-meditation. You're willing to accept a situation where Zimmerman has not only been lying non-stop since the incident (even though his story has remained completely consistent AND he passed a voice stress test administered by SPD the night of the shooting) but that he was actually lying from virtually the very begin of a standard suspicious persons call to a non-emergency line.

      As far as why George was concerned about Martin's whereabouts, a quick view of the map of the area, and the likely paths of both individuals will explain why. Martin took off running (again, while Zimmerman is still in his vehicle) and quite quickly disappeared around the corner between the buildings at the T. Zimmerman jogs to the T to try and see where the suspect had gone, and couldn't find him. There's lots of corners, gates, etc. to hide behind in that area. Zimmerman had no reason to believe he was "long gone" as it is just as possible Martin hid somewhere, which it now appears he had. So it seems Zimmerman's hesitation to give out personal information was probably pretty well founded.

      You see, that's the difference between us here and you new account Hoodies, we've looked at and considered ever possible angle, we didn't simply watch a news clip 3 months ago about a 250lb white guy shooting a 12 year old apple cheeked kid in the back of the head while he snacked on Skittles with his little brother on the porch of mom and dad's home and decide that the fat white guy should be lynched.

      I'm always glad when "another undesirable" is wiped from the streets, and even more so with the rights of an individual to defend themselves when one of those undesirables is trying to beat him to death.

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      Quickvue 5 years ago

      @Patti: I thought this would help you to explain Zimmerman since you are a devoted Zimmermanite

      What is a Pathological Liar?

      Source: http://answers.ask.com/Health/Mental/what_is_a_pat...

      A pathological liar lies so much that they believe their own lies even though others know they are lying. Pathological liars they all of the time about everything big or small.

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      Quickvue 5 years ago

      @Patti: I am trying to think of a more polite term to call you without calliing you out of your name. So If I walked down the street and hand my hands in my waistband is that a crime? Remember Trayvon was unarmed. That is the same thing Trayvon told his girlfriend that some strange man was watching him and then followed him. Remember Zimmerman got out his car and chased Trayvon. And then he said "These assholes they always get away". Zimmerman is a liar and I do not believe anything that comes out his mouth. In the police report he said Trayvon cirlced his truck and it unerved him so badly that he rolled up his window. Then a few moments later he chases him. Those are Zimmerman's description of what he wanted to see. I would stare at some idiot I didn't know too. Zimmerman lied about Trayon's age. Zimmerman lied about his police record. Zimmerman lied about his finances. Zimmerman lied about the passport. Zimmerman's dad lied. Zimmerman's brother lied. They are all lying. I hate to say it but Zimmerman judged Trayvon because he was black. Zimmerman should have kept his coward wannabee cop behind in his truck. Patti you should remain silent because you are making yourself look stupid. In your post you said Zimmerman thought Trayvon had a gun. And you said Zimmerman felt threaten. Here is where you post become stupid. If Zimmerman was so threatened and afraid then why did he get his scared behind out the car and chase Trayvon. Remember the dispatcher asked him are you following him(Trayvon)? Wannabe cop Zimmerman responded: "Yeah". The dispatcher said "we don't need you to do that." LOL..... In court Zimmerman revealed himself to be the liar that he is. In his save my hide fake apology Zimmerman said he thought Trayvon was a little younger than him. Liar, Liar pants on fire. In the 911 dispatch he told the dispatcher Trayvon was in his late teens. Explain that one. He also said in the 911 call that He had lost the kid and didn't know where he was. If you didn't know if someone was armed or not why would you chase them. I didn't know it was a crime to stare at some idiot whose staring at you. I did not know it was a crime to put your hands in your waist band. You folks disgust me to the utmost. Ok.. here is one for you. Zimmerman knew that he was armed.. That is why he got out the car. And check this out: He had his own agenda when he was suppose to meet the PO PO by the mailboxes but he quickly said just have the PO PO to call him when they get there so he can tell them where he is... Miss Patti Good Shoes without a clue let me tell you why I think Zimmerman told them that. BECAUSE HE WAS STILL LOOKING FOR TRAYVON. That is what I believe he was doing. The lead dectective that nite wanted to charge Zimmerman with manslaughter because he DID NOT BELIEVE ZIMMERMAN'S STORY. AND neither do I nor the rest of civilized America believes this liar. OOOPS.. also His lawyer is a liar: Remember when The Zimmmermans got caught lying about the money; O'Mara said he was "tired and confused.".. Tell that to someone else. I don't buy it. Zimmerman paid his credit card bills and Sam's card bill with yall money.. SAD....Not once did you mention the travesty of this young man losing his life. But yet you defend Zimmerman. SAD! I hope justice is served and as I have been saying before which you nor Mr. Perrya can answer: If Trayvon(we should change his name to Timothy to sound more white) had been your son how would you feel? Be honest. I thought so. Trayvon was doing nothing wrong that nite. NOTHING! Staring is not a crime. Stalking and chasing an innocent person is especially with a gun. Putting your hand in your waistband is not a crime. But carrying a weapon while on neighborhood watch was against the rules.. You Patti are acting DULLARD......There are no other words to describe you. Why wasn't Zimmerman tested that nite for drugs? Trayvon should have had a gun and shot Zimmerman and claimed the Stand My Ground law.... Too bad he didn't. You can call me racist or whatever but I am still standing my ground that Zimmerman is ultimately responsible for the death of Trayvon. May Heaven be an audience to this crime that has been committed. If Zimmerman is convicted I will shed no tears because Trayvon could have been my son.

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      perrya 5 years ago

      Thanks, Patti. The trial will be most interesting. I do think that Z's wife lying to the judge about bail certainly taints his own credibility. But, the doctor report immediately after the fight indicates he was telling the truth.

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      Patti 5 years ago

      Some tape excerpts:

      1) "Now he's staring at me"

      2) "Now he's coming towards me"

      3) "He's got his hand in his waistband"

      4) "Somethin's wrong with him"

      5) "Yep. He's coming to check me out"

      6) "He's got something in his hands"

      7) "I don't know what his deal is"

      8) "Can you get an officer over here"

      What motivated him to basically reiterate the request for the police to get there his admiration of TM? He felt threatened by him. He thought he had a gun or weapon in his waistband. He said TM put his hand there. That alone is a threatening gesture. He was coming right at him. He had something in his hand (perhaps a gun- that's what GZ said at the bail hearing did he not?). A threat does not have to be verbal.

      784.011 Assault.

      (1) An "assault" is an intentional, unlawful threat by word or ACT to do violence to the person of another, COUPLED WITH AN APPARENT ABILITY to do so, and doing some act which creates a well-founded fear in such other person that such violence is imminent.

      He repeated the request for police presence out of fear.

      You beg people to READ and LISTEN. Perhaps you should take your own advice.

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      Patti 5 years ago

      Z's youthful and MINOR situations weren't even nearly as bad as "Yo swung on a bus driver??" and "fight club." Telling his friends to shoot people as well as calling whites crackers. Some stellar young man there, that TM...NOT!!! LMAO again and again.

      It is not really all that complicated..normally, and if Z had shot a WHITE man, this wouldn't even be an issue. Z reported TM. TM had come close to his vehicle, acting weird in response to surveillance, gesturing as if he had a weapon at his pants. THAT was a threat.

      Z mentioned this to dispatch...and when TM took off, Z was out of his car, wanting to be able to report the location of TM to the cops. Dispatch asks "Are you following him?" Z said yes. Dispatch says"We don't need you to do that." Z said "OK." They discussed where to meet(Z and where dispatch said the cops would be) and dispatch asked Z this "Let us know if he does ANYTHING else."

      TM was a disrespectful little gangsta-type. He hated authority and he hated whites. he didn't come up with those opinions on his own, he was clearly imprinted from birth. My youngest child was in a COMPLETELY black daycare for her first year. THEY loved her, and she and I both loved them. It is how you raise your kids. She never heard "cracka" till she went to public school, then the taunts and abuses happened daily.

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      Patti 5 years ago

      @Quickvue:

      Why are you lying about Z saying TM was threatening him prior to the actual physical confrontation? Z NEVER did that. LISTEN and READ. And do it from the actual recorded version the POLICE have, not NBC or ABC. READ Transcripts in their entirety. READ POLICE reports, not those from the blinded by blackness people who don't know, didn't see, and are liars anyway. There are HONEST black witnesses who are NOT on TM's side, yaknow. I'll bet you think they're Uncle Toms!

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      quickvue 5 years ago

      @Mr. Perrya: the charge against Zimmerman is Second degree murder.. Enough said......Angela Corey said she had special evidence against Zimmerman to charge him with such.. You should be asking her these questions... I am just waiting.......

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      perrya 5 years ago

      The point you neglected to address is had Z been black and the facts are the same, would there be this much debate? if not, why not? the color of skin makes no difference in death.

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      Quickvue 5 years ago

      @Patti and Mr. Perrya: First of all I did not know Pattie had clariyonant powers or pyschic ablilites to know what Zimmerman was thinking. And you Mr. Perrya agrees with her. It is amazing how you all can draw your line of defense for out of control Zimmerman but when it comes to obvious facts and evidence you all make excuses or avoid the issue all together. I know what was going thru Zimmerman's mind also.. Actually he told us. Listen to the 911 tape and you do not have to pyschic like Patti to determine that Zimmerman was up to no good. "These assholes they always get a way." With Zimmerman history of calling 911 on black young males this does not look good. Also pyschic woman Patti it is not cool to chase someone in the dark that you do not know. If I had a gun on me and I was Trayvon we would be attending Zimmerman funeral. But wait I am in Florida so I can justify by the Stand My Ground Law.. Priceless! What really gets me is this: Zimmerman had agreed to meet the PO PO at the mailboxes but then he changes his mind and says to have them to call him and he will tell them where he is.. To me, and this is just logical inference, Zimmerman had his own intent. I think he was still looking for the "kid" that he said he had lost. And Since you are so psychic can you tell me why Zimmerman is such a big fat juicy liar? Just dying to hear your take on this. Also tell me what flavor of ice tea he likes so I can send him some. Also, don't forget to contribute to his fund so he can pay off some more of his credit card bills.. SAD! And what does having weed in his system have to do with the murder of Trayon? Even Mr. Perrya who is straddle the fence still says in his earliest post that it was irrevelant. I hear none of you defending Trayon was was doing nothing wrong at the time..But yet you try to smear this young man's name by bringing up suspesion from school and the weed and now you alluding that he had bad upbringing... SAD! Be careful Pattie your post may reveal your true intentions.... I will be watching you very closely from here on out.. Do you like skittles?

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      perrya 5 years ago

      Patti raises an interesting point- Z did not have any premeditated desire of killing T, if he had, he sure would not have called 911 first.

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      Patti 5 years ago

      If Z wanted to kill TM, he sure as hell wouldn't call cops first-this isn't a TV show. And if he had wanted to do that, TM would have just been found dead. Like any other young black, white, yellow, hell, green men with some level of drugs in his system...bad upbringing, way too permissive. Out hanging about after being suspended/expelled, rewarded with total freedom. What shitty parenting.

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      Mike 5 years ago

      When I heard he was being charged with 2nd degree murder, I immediately thought that they might be simply buying time to let everything cool down until the nation’s attention is focus is on some other issue and then the D.A. will drop the charges and declare the incident a justified shooting/homicide.

      Furthermore, under Florida Law one cannot bring a civil suit in this instance.

      Guess well see, huh?

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      perrya 5 years ago

      what if Z had also been black, for the sake of discussion. Everything that went down is the same. The prejudice (blacks can have prejudice of other blacks), the suspicion, the stereotypes, the setting at night etc. Would this killing be as divisive?

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      quickvue 5 years ago

      @Luther: Please I could give a rat's behind if you no longer responded to me. I didn't ask you to respond in the first place. Crawl back under your rock you came under. And exactly what color am I? I guess I was trying to convince you of my non-thugism and also the military has a lot of under cover bigots also. Before you take your tired behind away I need you to explain to me what racial rants I used? I can ridicule all I want that is the reason why we live in this country. So tuck your tail and run just because you do not agree with my conclusions. If it is racial for me to say that Zimmerman is guilty of initiating the conflict between Trayvon and shoooting him then I am a Racist. If I feel and we all know that Zimmerman is a liar and will continue to lie then I am a RACIST!. If you feel that I have racial rants because I feel for this young man whose life was taken away needlessly then I am a RACIST. If you feel that it is ok for a stranger to judge you because of who you are (and Zimmerman did have a problem with Trayvon. Remember he said he looked suspicious) which I do not then I am a RACIST! If you cannot see that Zimmerman was way out of line here then you my friend are an Idiot and in denial. OOOPS.. those that justify as a racial rant. A young man lost his life and I am tired of these right wingers defending Zimmerman. But please show me where I initiated Racial rants on my post? If you cannot then you should shut your face. It is better to remind silence and be thought a fool then to speak up and remove all doubt. Please remain silence. No, it is you Mr. Luther that is keeping racism alive in this country by insisting that I am the racist one when I never went there. At least I am not in denial concerning Zimmerman's guilt and you served in the military.. Oh my.....That is all I can say... Good day sir and if I never hear from you again get your facts straight before you make a fool of yourself. Again I wish it had been your son that day instead of Trayvon....

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      Luther 5 years ago

      @Mr. Quickvue: I have had it with your racist rants and will no longer respond to you. To ridicule those of us who want the facts to come out and for a fair verdict to be found is nonsense. You simply can not understand the viewpoints of others or free thought. I do not care where you grew up. I do not care about your education. I also do not care about your military service in realtion to this topic. I did my time too and that is a non-factor here. The fact is your mind is decided based on the colors of people's skin. You fail to realize that it is people who think like you that continue racism in this country.

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      quickvue 5 years ago

      @Mr. Perrya: The Good Book says "A double minded man is unstable in all his ways." WEll, I am not straddle the fence like you. My conscious and the evidence presented is how I base my decisions. Zimmerman is first and far most a LIAR. Those folks do not tell the truth.. Therefore, I believe nothing he says from this point forward. Neither should the court. Second, yes Racism is alive in American in its subtilities. Angela Corey said she had special evidence against Zimmerman and I pray that is justifiable evidence that will get justice from Trayvon. I believe that it was Trayvon pleading for his life on that 911 tape. Thirdly, Zimmerman was just hoping all this would blow over like it was no big deal. Zimmerman needs to pay for his actions. Trayvon is dead and we will never hear his side of the story. Zimmerman does not respect the court system and is lying like it is his second nature. I just don't see how he can get out of this or apply the Stand Your Ground Rule. This is madness. Why would you get out your vehicle and chase someone you told in the police report "unnerved you?"... Liar, liar pants on fire. I know you think you see light at the end of the tunnel Mr. Perrya but I pray it is not an oncoming train for you. Zimmerman is making a fool out of all those folks supporting his senseless and callous case. SAD! By the way are you a Believer (Christian)?

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      perrya 5 years ago

      At this point, the best thing to do is to straddle because trials always provide some surprise.

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      Quickvue 5 years ago

      @Luther and Perrya: No you don't get it DUDE. I do not see how Zimmerman can get out of this one. All the signs point to his guilt and responsibility to that young man's death. He should have stayed in his truck and not pursue Trayvon. He should have met the police at the mailboxes. I am entitled to my opinion and I say the evidence against Zimmerman does not help his case. If I wanted to cry racism and injustice I can and could. I was raised in racist Mississippi but thank God my mom taught me to respect people regardless of their race, creed or color. Please don't make me go there at the untold number of injustices suffer by blacks at the hands of the white mentality. Racism is alive in America or are you still under a rock (ignorant state of existence). Like I said before if it was your son you wouldn't be stating these things. I agree with a trail for Zimmerman. And I hope he is found guilty. That is my opinion formulated on the evidence that is presented. He is a liar and I hope they get him.. That is my opinion. If it was a black man that gunned down an innocent white man, I hope they get him. It doesn't matter to me so you can shut your face saying I will cry racism and injustice. It was an injustice for Trayvon to have his life taken away. Let the court decided if it was racially motivated. Zimmerman needs to pay for his crime instead of putting the blame on Trayvon. What is fair? Was Trayvon given a fair chance dude? So crawl back under that stupidity rock you been under and jsut look at all the evidence against Zimmerman... It doesn't look good for him. Trayvon had the right to be where he was without some wannabee mall cop shooting him. Where is the justice for Trayvon and his family. Like I said Dude I wish it had been your son instead of Trayvon. Have a nice day.... And Mr. Perrya you are still straddling the fence... SAD!

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      perrya 5 years ago

      @ Luther- I agree

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      Luther 5 years ago

      You don't get it dude. I don't care about Trayvon's color or his clothing. I just want a jury to hear the case and make a fair decision. This Zimmermanite language you use is just garbage and just because I don't want to see the man lynched does not mean I'm in his corner. If the man is found guilty during a fair trial I will respect the courts decision. If the man is found not guilty I'm sure you will crying racism and injustice.

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      quickue 5 years ago

      @Luther: First of all sir, Quickvue is not claiming racial discrimination but I do believe race was a factor in this case. You must be white. Let me explain to you what it is like to be black in a white man's world which you will never know. I was born in ass-backwards Mississippi and has seen racism at it's fullest. I have been judged by my color too many times and harassed by the PO PO, but did I retaliate by robbing folks, smoking weed, or having 8 childrens by 6 diffferent women. I went to school got an education and joined the military. I am making it in life and it grieves my heart to see my young brothers heading down the wrong path. Hence is my rebuttal to your stupid remarks that I did not make: Racial rants. I said and will say that due to the evidence presented Zimmerman is dead wrong. I do not know all the facts but what we do know speaks for itself. Zimmerman judged Trayvon by just seeing him. He said he was suspicious. Why was he suspicious? You know and I know he was suspicious because he was black.. Let us move on. If that had been a white kid with a hoodie on (and hoodies are legal clothing) would Zimmerman had made that call. What I am ranting about is that a young man needlessly lost his life on that dreadful day. I guess "this asshole did not get away." Zimmerman is lying so much he doesn't remember the lies he told. And I hope you are not the one donating to his funds sucka. Zimmerman is taking you all for a ride. For me to be racial in this incident is to deny and potray my faith in Jesus Christ. Right is right and wrong is wrong. If I was following you in the dark I bet you would wet your pants. Innocent until proven guilty is the way our judiciary system works but let us say there are a lot of guilt entities not favorably to Zimmerman right now. "These assholes always get a way." Zimmerman is a liar... his wife is a liar, his brother is a liar, his dad is a liar, his mom is a liar, Mark O'Mara is a liar. So I do not believe anything coming out the Zimmerman camp. Now that I know you are a Zimmermanite I will address you as such. No racial rants here just anger over the needless death of a young teenager that had his whole life ahead of him. I wonder how you would feel if that had been your son that nite? You talking all that yang yang but when the problem is in your back yard I bet your convo on this page would be a little different. So let us correct ourselves. Reasonable conclusions due to the facts presented are my rants for justice. Zimmerman initiated this conflict and I do not care if Trayvon threw the first punch or not. Zimmerman had plenty of time to get back in his truck.. Something is not right here. Have a nice day and learn how to read before you misread what I wrote. I said If Trayvon had been white we would not be having this convo. Do you agree?

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      perrya 5 years ago

      Being followed is always uncomfortable. Night makes it worse.

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      Mark 5 years ago

      There is nothing more painful to me … than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery, then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.

      — the Reverend Jesse Jackson, as quoted in US News, 3/10/96

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      Luther 5 years ago

      @Perrya: You may very well be right, but the fact is none of us really know what happened or know all of the evidence. I hope when this thing goes to court, the jury will make an educated, unbiased decision and this thing is decided fairly. Either way they decide is fine with me as long as it is based on the facts and not emotions. Too many people are basing their opinions of this case solely on them. I'm really tired of people like quickvue immediately claiming racial discrimination anytime the opportunity presents itself. I'm also curious as to what happened to "innocent until proven guilty." If the man is guilty then I hope the jury finds him so, but the racial rants from people like quickvue due nothing to promote justice.

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      perrya 5 years ago

      I suspect Trayvon was a basically nice kid and like any tragedy, he and Zimmer were are the wrong place at the wrong time. Both had no bad intent at the start of it and their own personal prejudices, whatever they were, all steered and colored their skewed vision as to what the other was doing. Maybe Trayvon was angered by it all and was going to teach the MF a lesson, so he thought. Maybe, zimmerman honestly thought Trayvon was just acting odd, which reinforced his skewed suspicion, it egged him to continue to follow to either validate this or prove he was wrong. Up until now, no illegality had occurred, but both were heading for the collision and skuffle. Had either simply went the other way, meaning, had Trayvon bolted out of the area, it would be over. Z would return to his car and go home. Had Z came to the conclusion his hunch was wrong, he would have turned and said, screw it, its not worth it. Fact is, neither did that. Both went in the opposite direction-maybe out of suspicion and maybe out of pride and bravado.

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      Luther 5 years ago

      @Mr. Quickvue: This case will be going to court where there will be a judge to interpret the law, lawyers to make legal arguments, medical experts to examine the physical evidence, witnesses who were actually there and a jury to decide guilt. Unless you have been appointed by the State of Florida to somehow fill all of these rolls, your repeated calls to cornhole this guy, as our illegal Peruvian friend would say, just don't matter. If your looking for people to be sympathetic to y0ur rants about "The Man," I suggest you go socialize with you hoodie wearing friends.

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      Rascal 5 years ago

      It has to be repeated: this isn't a case about race. It wouldn't matter if Dimmerman was married to a black woman. This is about a cop wanna-be who was sure that an innocent young man (regardless of race) MUST be a burglar and who undoubtedly tried to keep Trayvon from leaving the scene--which Dimmerman had no authority to do. He started the fight and then shot the kid to death. If George had an average head of hair, he wouldn't even have gotten those scratches and cuts on his head. The hair would have cushioned him.

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      quickvue 5 years ago

      @Mr. Perrya: Well can you please tell me what areas are not gray? You said justice will prevail: are you alluding to justice for Trayvon or Zimmerman? Remember you are straddle the fence on this one in lieu of over incriminating evidence against Zimmerman. What do you mean by justice will prevail? Please explain your rhetoric.

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      THEILLEAGALALIEN 5 years ago

      GREAT, I SEE MORE CORNHOLING COMING FOR MEXICANS FROM BLACKS IF ZIMERMMAN GO FREE.

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      Sara 5 years ago

      Is Trayvon Martin's shooting death being used as a set-up for Martial Law?People could use the opportunity of rallies for justice after wrongful deaths to spark riots. Perhaps the concentration camps are ready now. The Army advertised for resettlement relocation specialists last fall, and I read reports that companies were placing bids to service the camps months ago. Congress passed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) bills in November, and President Obama signed NDAA on New Year's Eve. Numerous states are passing laws against public protests. On March 16, the president signed an Executive Order for peacetime Martial Law. Every time you turn on the news, some American official is grinning and shaking hands with Chinese officials as our human and civil rights and jobs disappear. Approach everything with a cool head, and go nowhere with angry people.

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      perrya 5 years ago

      Yes, justice will prevail, but will everyone be happy with the outcome? This is not a Sandusky type case where the evidence is so overwhelming that even his defense team are thinking, my client is going down, bigtime. The Martin case DOES have gray area....

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      quickvue 5 years ago

      @Perrya.. I am having a field day with this Zimmerman episode. Let the facts speak: Round two. And what does the defense have to say about the lying of financial assets by the Zimmemans: The defense countered that Zimmerman and his wife never used the money for anything, which indicated "there was no deceit." LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. I equate this to someone robbing a bank of millions but since that person did not spend any of the loot, there was no deceit, no crime committed. It is ok to rob a bank just as long as you don't spend any of the money. LOL... Zimmerman told his wife to pay off their credit card bills and Sam's card. What a sad day in American history. I believe in my heart Trayvon was the victim that nite. I believe it was Trayvon pleading for his life. I believe Trayvon was profile because he was black and therefore suspicious to Zimmerman. I believe Zimmerman took the law into his hands because "these assholes always get away." I believe Zimmerman and his cohorts, minions, supporters, fans, or whatever you want to call them all need an enema. Zimmerman is full of it and it is not the Holy Ghost. I believe Mark O'Mara knows deep down in his heart Zimmerman is guilty. I believe the police Chief Lee (I think that is his name) should be fired.. I believe Trayvon had every right to be where he was that nite. I believe Zimmerman will continue to lie. And I believe his followers will believe his lies for in their conscious their are border line racist sentiments that fuel thier motives. I believe Mr. Perrya harbors superficially these sentiments. I believe Jimmy7771 needs to realize he is still a black man in a white man's world. Word! And Attikos your post speak volume of your views. Shame on you. I believe there is still a glimpse that JUSTICE will be served.. I believe Zimmerman was guilty the moment he layed eyes on Trayvon. This is what I believe...

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      theilleagalalien 5 years ago

      try being illegal immigrant here. white people always try cornhole you.

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      quickvue 5 years ago

      @ Mr.Perrya: Prosecutor Bernie De la Rionda complained Friday, "This court was led to believe they didn't have a single penny. It was misleading and I don't know what words to use other than it was a blatant lie." Listen to what the court system is saying about Zimmerman. And then Mark O'Mara said Zimmerman was "fearful and confused" when his wife misled the court about his financial disclosures. Listen to what the word of God says about lying: Prov 19:5

      "A false witness will not go unpunished, And he who tells lies will not escape." Zimmerman shall not escape justice. He is a liar. Amazing how his lawyer tries to sweep his lying under the rug as if it wasn't nothing big.. HA HA. Zimmerman should never have been granted bail. While he is in jail I think they should paint his cell wall with a picture of skittles and Arizona ice tea on that wall. Sounds good to me. It is a sad day in America when a teenager loses his life all because he looks "suspicious." No one (referring to the Zimmermnites) has told me what Trayvon was doing wrong that nite. But yet we try to smear this young man's name as if he deserved to be killed. I can name a million things Zimmerman did wrong that nite. I cannot name one that Trayvon did unless it is walking while black. HMMMMMMMMMMMMM..... This is a sad day in American history. All eyes are on you Sanford, Florida. Liar, Liar pants on fire. Zimmerman has told so many lies until he can't keep up with them. Now he has his lawyer lying. Lying is contagious. Zimmerman should just tell the truth. Is that possible?

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      Carl 5 years ago

      A simpler version for quickvue:

      One time a man was walking along the beach and say another man fishing in the surf with a bait bucket beside him. As he drew closer, he saw that the bait bucket had no lid and had live crabs inside.

      "Why don't you cover your bait bucket so the crabs won't escape?", he said.

      "You don't understand.", the man replied, "If there is one crab in the bucket it would surely crawl out very quickly. However, when there are many crabs in the bucket, if one tries to crawl up the side, the others grab hold of it and pull it back down so that it will share the same fate as the rest of them."

      So it is with people. If one tries to do something different, get better grades, improve herself, escape her environment, or dream big dreams, other people will try to drag her back down to share their fate.

      Moral of the story: Ignore the crabs. Charge ahead and do what is right for you. It may not be easy and you may not succeed as much as you like, but you will NEVER share the same fate as those never try.

      We have been enriched by the talents of people who have had less than "perfect" bodies, whether by birth, accident or disease - Helen Keller, F.D. Roosevelt, Stephen Hawking, George Bush, Stevie Wonder, Christopher Reeve, to name just a few. They chose to "climb the crab bucket" instead of listening to others.

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      Jimmy771 5 years ago

      In African American folklore, the sea crab ranks among the dumbest of creatures who also offers a valuable lesson. When you catch a bucket or a basketful, you never have to put a lid on because when one of the creatures tries to get out, the others will just pull it back in. Some of our fellow human beings aren't much smarter than that. When they see you working hard to achieve your dreams, they'll make fun of you just for trying.

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      perrya 5 years ago

      Hmmm, hate is a strong word, I would say many, not all, dislike whites. But most of it is not hard core. It also depends where in the country you are. Not all white or black have a problem with one another, it really comes down to the personalities. Skin color is just icing.

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      Luther 5 years ago

      The racist circus taking place in Florida over the shooting of Trayvon Martin is in high gear and proves my point. Blacks continue to scream about Trayvon Martin but refuse to mention a 6 year old black child killed in Chicago last weekend by blacks. Black on black violent crime runs rampant in America but receives no attention from those trying to create a racial war. White on black crime is virtually non-existent yet the Martin/Zimmerman incident is treated as if whites killing blacks is epidemic!

      If George Zimmerman is found not guilty, look for Rodney King-like destruction throughout the United States. But through all the cover of the mainstream propaganda media, the title of this post is becoming more and more evident. Most black people do indeed hate white people. Many do not and have broken the chains of ingrained hatred that infests the black community. But, as a whole, there is a hatred for whites that permeates black America.

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      perrya 5 years ago

      Sandusky needs death to end his misery and to begin his hell.

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      quickvue 5 years ago

      @Mr. Perrya: Let me clarify that I think you are an undercover Zimmermanite (a supporter of Zimmerman). Secondly, for to say a man that was in a fight for his life the injuries Zimmerman received look like a playground fight between two 12 year old boys... His father and Zimmerman both said (remember they are liars) that Trayvon was banging his head in the concrete. I wish Trayvon had beat him unconscious and then he could say he was fearful of his life and use the Stand My Ground defense. Zimmerman is a coward and a liar. His story is falling apart. I believe Trayvon was fighting for his life when he saw that gun. Yes Zimmerman's doctor is a Zimmermanite. Usually, people who have received a near death beating as Zimmerman claim should have went to the ER. Zimmerman is a liar. Zimmerman is a liar. Liars do not tell the truth. I hope and pray that Corey has something up her sleeve. She says she has special evidence to use against Trayvon. Also, there is rumor that Trayvon has a 911 call out there that he made. Oh boy this is getting interesting. Sandusky needs Jesus. No further comment needed.......

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      perrya 5 years ago

      @quickvu- I ain't paying his bills believe, not saying he is or is not guilty. His wife in jail for lying certainly makes his words suspect BUT there is the doctors report minutes after the event and it supports Zimmerman's claims. Is the doctor also a Zimmerite? I doubt it. What do you think of the Sandusky trial, BTW?

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      quickvue 5 years ago

      @Attikos,Perrya and Jimmy771: You all know there is a new television show out called "House of Liars" starring George Zimmerman and his family and all the Zimmermanites out there. Sad case here. It appears George Zimmerman cannot tell the truth. He lied from the beginning and he will continue to lie. And what is really sad are those supporters who donate all this money so poor Georgie Boy can pay his credit card bills and Sam club expenses. Sad. The idiocy of those supporting George baffles me beyond the little acumen I possess. Sad Case here. Like I said they are all liars, George Zimmerman, his brother, his wife, his mother, his double lying dad, and all the rest associated with this lying clan. Oh what a tangle web we weave when first we practice to deceive. For those who donated money to Zimmerman's website you should feel like idiots because I know you sure look like idiots. Sad case here. When will the lies stop Mr. George Standing On Shaky Ground I didn't know his age shooting in self denfense lying every chance I get? When? Never I believe. And you suckas keep on paying Geoge's bills. Sad case here. Can you explain this one to me Mr. Perrya, Attikos, and the psuedo black man Jimmy 771? You all should remain silent from here on out. May justice prevail....Sad case here.

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      quickvue 5 years ago

      I just do not see how Zimmerman can get out of this one. What really gets to me are the callous and insensitive remarks made towards Trayvon. I can only imagine the anguish that young man went thru if he knew Zimmerman had that gun.. Only Zimmerman, God and Trayvon know exactly what happened. Regardless of what Trayon looked like, smelled like, did at school, had fake gold teeth, thought he was a thug, he still had the same rights as any American citizen walking home minding his own business. Zimmerman life is over. I do not feel sorry for him. Let justice prevail and still none of the Zimmermanites have answered my question. What was Trayvon guilty of that nite that warrantive his death. I hope Corey has an ace in the hole. I hope the defense is pissing in their pants. I hope Zimmerman reap what he has sown. Yes we will wait and see.

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      perrya 5 years ago

      well, the jury is still out and we'll just have to wait.

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      quickvue 5 years ago

      @Perrya: shot by a overzealous wannabee cop that was on prescription medication or maybe not in his right frame of mind that saw a young teenager as suspicious, that was up to no good, and just walking around looking at houses in the rain. Something is wrong with him and now he is checking me out. Like I said before Trayon could have been dressed in drag that nite it is all irrevelant to the fact that Zimmerman got out his car and that is the end of the story. Like I said much has been done to smear this young man's image while fluffy Zimmerman is painted as the victim. Unbelievable! All the evident that points to Zimmerman's guilt we still need more evidence? What was Zimmerman's state of mind that nite. Apparently he is an idiot to chase someone that had previous unnerved him until he had to roll up his windome. Moments later he get out the car and chases Trayvon. Zimmerman is a big fat liar.

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      perrya 5 years ago

      And, Trayvon was, what?

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      Mac 5 years ago

      If you have a small amount of cannabis, the effects can last up to five hours. You may:

      •feel unusually well and happy

      •do or say things which you normally wouldn’t, engage in risk-taking behaviour like unsafe sex or dangerous driving

      •talk and laugh more than usual

      •experience anxiety and paranoia

      •have bad balance and co-ordination

      •feel drowsy

      •find it hard to concentrate

      •have problems remembering things

      •feel hungry

      •experience asthmatic symptoms or have trouble breathing if you smoke cannabis

      •have a faster heart rate

      •have dry, red eyes

      •have a dry mouth and throat

      •focus on one particular thing and ignore all other things

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      perrya 5 years ago

      No, its not only my opinion. How is it related to what happened?

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      Tim 5 years ago

      Perrya, I never smoked pot in junior high because I was convinced it would shrivel my incipient manhood. This was the 1980s, and those stark this-is-your-brain-on-drugs ads already had me vaguely worried about memory loss and psychosis. But when other boys said pot might affect our southern regions, I was truly terrified. I didn't smoke a joint for the first time until I was 21.

      By 12th grade, about half of young Americans have tried marijuana, which put me in the geeky other half. I used to think this was a good thing, since I never developed a taste for pot and avoided becoming dependent. But as the medical-marijuana movement flowered and weed's p.r. improved, I often wondered if I shouldn't have relished it as a kid, before I had a personal trainer to tsk-tsk my every vice. Shrinking testicles? Mushy brains? I came to see these as grotesqueries invented by antidrug propagandists.

      It turns out that the study of marijuana's health effects is at once more complex and less advanced than you might imagine. "Interpretations [of marijuana research] may tell more about [one's] own biases than the data," writes Mitch Earleywine in Understanding Marijuana: A New Look at the Scientific Evidence, published in August by Oxford. For example: "Prohibitionists might mention that THC [delta-9 tetra-hydrocannabinol, the smile-producing chemical in pot] often appears in the blood of people in auto accidents. Yet they might omit the fact that most of these people also drank alcohol. Antiprohibitionists might cite a large study that showed no sign of memory problems in chronic marijuana smokers. Yet they might not mention that the tests were so easy that even a demented person could perform them."

      The science of marijuana--especially its potential medical uses--is malleable because it's so young and so contradictory. Although preliminary data are promising, scientists haven't definitively shown that the drug can safely treat nausea or pain or anything, really. Some experts claim the U.S. government has sabotaged medical-marijuana research, and there is evidence to support them. Even so, in the past few years scientists have made rapid advances in their basic understanding of how Cannabis sativa works. By 1993, researchers had found the body's two known receptors for cannabinoids, the psychoactive chemicals in the plant (THC is the main one, but there are at least 65 others). Since then, there has been important new work in several fields that users, potential users and former users should know about--and that voters should take into account before deciding whether to legalize pot.

      So much new research has appeared that in November the Journal of Clinical Pharmacology and the National Institute on Drug Abuse will publish a 100-page supplement devoted entirely to marijuana. The Journal gave Time an advance look; it's a comprehensive review that will annoy both sides in the drug war. You won't find clear evidence that pot is good or evil, but the research sheds light on some of the most important questions surrounding the drug:

      Can it kill you?

      No one has ever died of THC poisoning, mostly because a 160-lb. person would have to smoke roughly 900 joints in a sitting to reach a lethal dose. (No doubt some have tried.) But that doesn't mean pot can't contribute to serious health problems and even DEAth--both indirectly (driving while stoned, for instance) and directly (by affecting circulation, for example). A paper published last year in the journal Angiology found 10 odd cases in France of heavy herbe smokers who developed ischemia (an insufficient blood supply) in their limbs, leading in four cases to amputations. It's not clear that marijuana caused the decreased blood flow, but the vascular problems did worsen during periods of heavy use. Another 2001 paper, in Circulation, found a nearly fivefold increase in the risk for heart attack in the first hour after smoking marijuana--though statistically that means smoking pot is about as dangerous for a fit person as exercise.

      Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1...

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      Mac 5 years ago

      Well, that's your opinion.

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      perrya 5 years ago

      The Trayvon case has nothing to do with pot.

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      Mac 5 years ago

      I wish Trayvon hadn't started smoking pot. It can really trap you. When I was a teenager (24 now) I used to smoke pot semi-regularly (usually on the weekends, maybe a few times a week during the summer). And it was a blast. I'd laugh at everything, feel cool, chill (except when my friends wanted to go on blunt rides or smoke somewhere public where we'd just be paranoid of every little thing. I did it anyway but hey I was 15-17 y/o it's called peer pressure).

      Anyways, I stopped for a little while midway senior year. The year after high school I got into a relationship, the kind where for the first 10 months I didn't hang out with anyone anymore. So I'd smoke by myself usually...go out to my car late at night, put on some music, and just relax. Once we broke up I started seeing my friends again, and I noticed right away I was now awkward when I smoked with people. Easy answer there IMO: 10 months of near isolation will have that effect. So I cut that loss, and continued just smoking by myself, which suited me fine, I was still only a semi-regular at its peek.

      Then for three years or so I nearly stopped altogether. I'd smoke like 5 times a year. I bought an ounce and smoked it all recently. Not at once.. over about 3 weeks. Once again in the chill, nighttime, by-myself setting. And now I can't even do that. I have a nervous twitch that kicks into sheer OVERDRIVE when I smoke, I worry about every little thing in my life, and I DREAD I'll have to talk to someone when I'm high.

      Like I said, I'm 24 now... I have a good amount of stress in my life. So what's the answer here? Did I just grow out of it? Once you stop you can't go back? Stress is blocking me from having a good time? The new atmosphere (living in my own place instead of my mom's house) changing? I just want that feeling of stress seeping out of my body that I used to get when I'd lay back at like midnight and just tune out the world. But if I can't get it again, hey I'll cut my ties.

      Help me, bash me, catch a joke set-up I said that I didn't realize, just any thoughts. Thanks.

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      Jimmy 5 years ago

      Please help spread the news. My good friend, Perry the Commodore (Old Poolman on Hubpages), are doing our best to educate people, but we can't reach everyone. We need your help.

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      Jimmy 5 years ago

      The Reptilian Aliens which are called Reptoids are proportional in size to modern humans. They have a snake like or lizard appearance. These are highly advanced entities but viewed as being of a negative, hostile or dangerous disposition since they regard humans as a totally inferior race. They would perceive us much the way we would perceive a herd of cattle. The information about these creatures varies from source to source. Supposedly they consider Earth their ancient outpost and want to have complete control over it because their planet is becoming unable to adequately support life.

      The so-called "Reptilians", or "Reptoids", is noted that there is no implication in these descriptors other than of intelligent, communicative persons. What distinguishes these "Reptilian" extraterrestrials is their skin, which has small, fine scales, rather than smooth, their face, which has larger-than- human yellowish-green eyes with a "starburst"-shaped pupil, the eyes often oval, and an almost snout-like blunt process in the area of the nose and mouth, giving this type an almost dragon-like humanoid appearance.

      Another group of extraterrestrials for convenience, I call the "Jawas", after their resemblance to the creatures in the film, Star Wars. This group is distinguished by their clothing. They wear hoods and robes, are generally short (three to four-and-a-half feet tall), and their faces are concealed by the shadows thrown by their hoods. Sometimes there is a much taller hooded and robed one on board the UFO, who often stands to the Experiencer's left as s/he lies on the ET medical examining table.

      This Tall One appears to direct the procedures, and often is the one who telepathically communicates with the Experiencer. A few Experiencers have noted glowing eyes under the "Jawas'" hoods.

      Other Experiencers have reported that when they got a glimpse of the Being whose face was shadowed by the hood, it was a type of "Gray". Still others saw neither glowing eyes nor "Grays" under the hoods, but rather never could distinguish the features in the shadows of the hoods. There are often mixed- race crews on the UFO's. In such cases there could be "Jawas" or "Praying Mantis" types or "Reptoids" or "Grays", joining in a coordinated effort in carrying out scientific or medical tasks.

      A few Experiencers have noted robot-like figures, whose movements and "vibes" (or rather lack thereof) strongly suggest that these are robots sent remotely by the extraterrestrials to observe, reconnoiter, and possibly retrieve objects. The robot-like figures appear to be relegated to the more impersonal tasks of information - gathering and stealthy surveillance, without the risk to the extraterrestrials that they would otherwise run of possibly encountering hostile human responses.

      Upon closer looking, the experiencer was able to see the actual nonhuman face of the extraterrestrial behind the mentally-imposed "human" mask. Extraterrestrials are capable of producing 'screen memories' and what the abductee sees is not necessarily what is the true version of what has been seen.

      Few races today have actually remained as pure genetic stock, with the exception of two races that the Andromedans say are really genetically clean. That is the Reptilians from Alpha Draconis, and the other is what we call, or know as the Elohim, which are a very ancient race of humans that survived Lyra. All other races are a varied degree of hybrid or mixture of races of different genetic stock.