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Glenn Beck is a Pathetic Loser

Updated on October 13, 2013

Glenn Beck and Corned Beef on Rye at Saul's Deli in Berkeley

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11-11-10The Daily Beast--Glenn Beck Accused of Anti-Semitic Attack on George Soros

The Fox host’s stunning two-day tirade against George Soros is a new low on American television. Michelle Goldberg on the roots of his hatred—and the Anti-Defamation League’s response.

Anti-Semitism, like all ideologies, tells a story about the world. It’s a story about almost occult Jewish power, about cabals that manipulate world events for their own gain. In classic anti-Semitic narratives, Jews control both the elites and the masses; they’re responsible for the communist revolution and the speculative excesses of capitalism. Their goal is to undermine society so that they can take over. Through the lens of anti-Semitism, social division, runaway inflation, and moral breakdown all make sense because they all have the same cause. Nazi propaganda called Jews drahtzieher—wire-pullers. They constitute a power above and beyond ordinary government authority. “There is a super-government which is allied to no government, which is free from them all, and yet which has its hand in them all,” Henry Ford wrote in The International Jew.


Glenn Beck Sponsors Bailing

As a result of Beck's calling President Obama a racist last month the following sponsors have pulled their ads from his show on Fox Cable News:

ConAgra

Geico

Proctor and Gamble

Progressive (insurance)

Others are considering similar action.

Beck is a not-so-bright right wingnut and, in my opinion, a pathetic loser. I hope other advertisers will jump on the bandwagon and force Fox to drop his show and that Hubbers will think twice about patronizing Beck's remaining advertisers.

CNN's Lou Dobbs has also come under similar pressure from advertisers.

Glenn Loses it On Health Care

Glenn Beck's Greatest Hits (post on Detroit Free Press forum)

Glen Beck's Greatest Hits:
“Every night I get down on my knees and pray that Dennis Kucinich will burst into flames.” (2003)
"I'm thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I'm wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it." (2005)
"When I see a 9/11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh shut up' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining." (2005)
“The only [Katrina victims] we’re seeing on television are the scumbags.” (2005)
“Let me tell you something, there ain’t [nothing] better than looking at a hot, naked chick.” (2006)

Glenn says "Global warming is the biggest scam in history."

Lindsey Graham "Only in America can you make that much money crying."

Sen. Graham takes jab at Glenn Beck: ‘Only in America can you make that much money crying.’

Today at the Washington Ideas Forum sponsored by the Atlantic, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) sharply criticized “talk radio, MoveOn.org, the 24-hour news cycle” for the polarization in politics. He then specifically mentioned Fox News hosts Bill O’Reilly and Glenn Beck:

Can you imagine writing the Constitution — you know, O’Reilly says Ben Franklin’s giving in on something. Can you imagine having to do that in this environment? [Graham said]

Without missing a beat, The Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg next asked for Graham’s thoughts on Glenn Beck.

“Only in America can you make that much money crying,” Graham said.

Graham also claimed that Beck is “not aligned with any party as far as I can tell. He’s aligned with cynicism. And there’s always been a market for cynicism.” Watch it:

In recent weeks, there has been a conservative backlash against Beck. Right-wing radio host Mark Levin has called him “pathetic,” former Bush adviser Peter Wehner has said he’s “harmful to the conservative movement,” Rush Limbaugh characterized his role promoting the 9/12 march as “cheap and disingenuous,” and conservative pundit David Frum has warned conservatives against succumbing to Beck’s “mob rule.”

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      C E Clark 3 years ago from North Texas

      The comments are very entertaining here. Isn't it interesting how conservatives continually lecture about 'personal responsibility,' but never take any for anything they do or say, and always try to blame somebody else?

      It's been several years since I saw Glen Beck on TV for the first and last time. For what reason I do not know, but my husband had our TV turned to the Fox News Network and Beck was spinning his 'magic.'

      He had already begun linking words together to show the dire consequences of their connections and busily drawing arrows and circles on his blackboard to connote conspiracies and imminent disasters when I sat down to see what was going on. Before much time passed I was laughing because I honestly thought he was a comedian. You have no idea the shock I experienced when I discovered that not only was he not a comedian, but just how seriously some people were taking him.

      The one thing I am certain of is that there is something missing in the test that is given people to determine their competence and mental condition, because an awful lot of people are slipping through the cracks . . .

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      Lizzie 5 years ago

      Way too much hate here and people that waste all their energy hating someone kinda creep me out. Loved the picture with the cheetos though

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      Harvey Stelman 6 years ago from Illinois

      Ralph, This again! Congrat's on all the comments you received, but you seem to have lost many Liberal's. I wonder why! H

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      Ralph Deeds 6 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      Glenn Beck--God may be sending us a message that the earthquake in Japan is a signal that the end of the world is near. Lawrence O'Donnell says no. We'd better plan to continue paying off those 30-year mortgages!

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      Ralph Deeds 6 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      But a funny thing happened on the way from the revolution. Since last August, when he summoned more than 100,000 followers to the Washington mall for the “Restoring Honor” rally, Mr. Beck has lost over a third of his audience on Fox — a greater percentage drop than other hosts at Fox. True, he fell from the great heights of the health care debate in January 2010, but there has been worrisome erosion — more than one million viewers — especially in the younger demographic.

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      Ralph Deeds 6 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      Thanks for your comment. I started doing hubs 4 years ago. The more you do the easier it gets.

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      gradeAmerican 6 years ago

      Funny pictures and great videos! I can tell you and I think alike. I'm brand new here, but I hope I can make hubs as great as yours someday.

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      Ralph Deeds 6 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      Harvey, I'm surprised that you can swallow Glenn Beck's foul web of lies and distortions. There is evidence that his diatribes do "wind up" troubled, looney individuals to commit or attempt violence against the individuals that Beck rails at on his show.

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      Harvey Stelman 6 years ago from Illinois

      Ralph, How does Juan Williams fell about this now? He is now telling what NPR has allowed, and they fire him for his feelings not his opinion.

      Most Lib's do lie about disagreeing with Williams. They feel the sam way when they get on a plane. If you don't, you have a problem. Maybe you've never faced prejudice, I have. I've been bloodied, and returned the favor. I've been beaten by a crowd, shot at, shot at with bow and arrow and have been attempted to be run over. I know hate!

      Beck and the Tea Party do not advocate hate, but they receive it. Many of the comments you list on Beck are crap. Sure, he's a murderer, a lib attack.

      I've listened to his stories, and check them out. Surprise, he's quite accurate. Why do you Lib's want to take away what people have earned, they will be at your door also. You know the story, first they came for the Jews, then they ............. That's your utopia.

      Obama doesn't lie? Sure the stimulus is working, there are no new taxes in health care, I'll close Gitmo, and so much more. He is so far over his head, and he doesn't listen to anyone. He does know how to campaign, but if you listen to him closely, it's crap. H

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      Ralph Deeds 6 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      Thanks, for your comment, Harvey. We don't agree on this one. As far as I'm concerned Beck is a lunatic. And I'm not aware of ANY lies told by President Obama. You should stick to the Lehrer News Hour on PBS or Maddow, O'Donnel, Obermann and Matthews on NBC cable.

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      Harvey Stelman 6 years ago from Illinois

      Ralph, I have learned more "true" history from watching Beck than I ever did in school. He has constantly asked the White House to point out a lie he spews, the only thing they do in response is to deamonize him.

      Why not talk about all the lies our President tells. Who can make up numbers better than him.

      It took you long enough to follow me; ha! H

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      Ralph Deeds 7 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      Are you suggesting that the only alternatives are Republicanism or Marxism? Regulations are required to insure that capitalism delivers honestly on its promises. Free markets aren't automatically honest markets. That's why we have the SEC, FDA, EPA, and the Justice Department. Not to mention unemployment compensation for people who are involuntarily unemployed due to government policy mistakes, technological change, mistakes by their employer, etc.

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      Dewey Cheatem 7 years ago

      Daniel J. Neumann 3 weeks ago

      I watch most episodes, so I can understand the other side. It's funny how he actually attacks the principles of Marxism like helping the poor and middle-class

      Actually what the conservatives would like to do is to help the poor and middle class get out of their situation and not perpetuate the problem Dan. Maybe if you can point out an example where Marxism actually works or has been successful I might be able to agree with you. Capitalism has been the driving force for freedom and prosperity around the globe. Take a look at China Dan. They are becoming more capitalist each and every day.

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      Ralph Deeds 7 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      Sorry, Dewey, you'll have to get than from Glenn. He has a lifetime supply. Thanks for your comment.

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      Dewey Cheatem 7 years ago

      Ralph, can I have some of your Kool Aid?

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      Daniel J. Neumann 7 years ago from Harrisburg, Pa

      Maybe Beck is a closet-liberal. It's like he's the best thing for democrats. He makes conservatives and libertarians look like idiots. Not to say they are... but, Glenn does a wonderful job of painting a darker image of that movement.

      I watch most episodes, so I can understand the other side. It's funny how he actually attacks the principles of Marxism like helping the poor and middle-class. His arguments always hinge on sensationalist, subliminal, red-herring tactics that overpower the emotions rather than logic.

      Thanks for this awesome, and funny, hub!

      -Dan

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      Ralph Deeds 7 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      To underestimate Glenn Beck as just some sort of random extra from Cuckoo's Nest, as I admittedly have done, is a mistake as it barely scratches the surface of what his scam is all about. A schizoid raving street loon tends to command attention purely for the freak show curiosity of passers by, yet the nonsense is rarely taken seriously

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/exposing-g...

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      Ralph Deeds 7 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      Why don't honest journalists take on Roger Ailes and Fox News?

      By Howell Raines (Former Editor of the NY Times)

      Sunday, March 14, 2010; B05

      One question has tugged at my professional conscience throughout the year-long congressional debate over health-care reform, and it has nothing to do with the public option, portability or medical malpractice. It is this: Why haven't America's old-school news organizations blown the whistle on Roger Ailes, chief of Fox News, for using the network to conduct a propaganda campaign against the Obama administration -- a campaign without precedent in our modern political history?

      Through clever use of the Fox News Channel and its cadre of raucous commentators, Ailes has overturned standards of fairness and objectivity that have guided American print and broadcast journalists since World War II. Yet, many members of my profession seem to stand by in silence as Ailes tears up the rulebook that served this country well as we covered the major stories of the past three generations, from the civil rights revolution to Watergate to the Wall Street scandals. This is not a liberal-versus-conservative issue. It is a matter of Fox turning reality on its head with, among other tactics, its endless repetition of its uber-lie: "The American people do not want health-care reform."

      Fox repeats this as gospel. But as a matter of historical context, usually in short supply on Fox News, this assertion ranks somewhere between debatable and untrue.

      Here's a link to the entire op-ed piece.

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic...

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      Ralph Deeds 7 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      2-20 Salon.com--WASHINGTON -- There was really only one way the weird conservative carnival called CPAC 2010 could end Saturday night: with Glenn Beck stalking around the stage for an hour, scribbling paranoid wordplay on his trademark chalkboard, praising Calvin Coolidge and giving dramatic readings of a poem by a bona fide Socialist to stir an overflowing, anti-government crowd into a frenzy.

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      Ralph Deeds 7 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      An American political advocacy group aimed at empowering black voices in politics announced Tuesday that the British broadcast of Fox News' Glenn Beck show was forced to run without any paid advertisers last week after the last of the program's corporate sponsors bailed.

      http://stopbeck.com/

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      Ralph Deeds 7 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      Beck recently in discussing the Census on his radio show questioned the term "African-American":

      BECK: African-American is a bogus, PC, made-up term. I mean, that’s not a race. Your ancestry is from Africa and now you live in America. Ok so you were brought over — either your family was brought over through the slave trade or you were born here and your family emigrated here or whatever but that is not a race.

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      Ralph Deeds 7 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      Salon gives Beck "Crazy of the Year" award--

      The staff and readers of Salon had a big debate over choosing Glenn Beck our "Crazy Person of the Year." As we stated in the introduction to "The Year in Crazy," we disqualified certain media stars -- Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly -- and some GOP leaders -- Sarah Palin and Liz Cheney -- whose crazy behavior was purely opportunistic. We rejected prominent people who had a crazy belief or two -- Whoopi Goldberg casting doubt on the moon landing -- but didn't seem driven by crazy.

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      Ralph Deeds 7 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

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      Ralph Deeds 7 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      Now here's a pair--Palin and Beck in 2012!

      Tuesday, Nov 17, 2009 8:36 PM

      By: David A. Patten

      It's no secret that former GOP vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin and Fox News host Glenn Beck share great respect and admiration — so their fans can be forgiven for wondering: Is a "dream ticket" of Palin-Beck ticket completely out of the question?

      Perhaps not.

      Palin initially chuckled when Newsmax broached the idea. But then she had some serious words of praise for the popular Fox personality.

      "I can envision a couple of different combinations, if ever I were to be in a position to really even seriously consider running for anything in the future, and I'm not there yet," Palin tells Newsmax. "But Glenn Beck I have great respect for. He's a hoot. He gets his message across in such a clever way. And he's so bold — I have to respect that. He calls it like he sees it, and he's very, very, very effective."

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      Ralph Deeds 7 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      Yep! Tnx.

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      Ivan the Terrible 7 years ago from Madrid

      And now it seems the tea-baggers are going after fellow Republicans! How ridiculous that they attack Lindsay Graham for being too liberal!

      These guys remind me of the French revolution, eating their own.

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      Ralph Deeds 7 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      10-12-09 Gabriela Winant and Tim Bella in Salon

      Oct. 12, 2009 | Something strange has happened to rank-and-file Republicans since President Obama took office. These past few months, standard-issue gray lawmakers have sounded like fire-and-brimstone demagogues. Conspiracy theories and over-the-top legislation to fix imaginary wrongs are flying wildly around formerly mainstream GOP circles.

      It turns out that like so much of what ails the world today, this can be traced back to Glenn Beck. Some fifth-term Iowa senator might be railing against death panels, but it's really Beck's voice you're hearing. With his show on Fox News, Beck has successfully positioned himself as the weirdo right's ambassador-at-large to the rest of the world. When the patron saint of the Tea Parties lets his freak flag fly, seemingly normal right-wing functionaries have been known to line up and salute. Republicans parrot Beck's crackpot notions and pet issues routinely -- sometimes running with his manias the morning after he first airs them. (More.)

      http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/10/12/glenn...

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      Ralph Deeds 7 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      Fox v. Obama battle intensifying.

      Attacking the news media is a time-honored White House tactic but to an unusual degree, the Obama administration has narrowed its sights to one specific organization, the Fox News Channel, calling it, in essence, part of the political opposition.

      http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/12/business/media/1...

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      Ivan the Terrible 7 years ago from Madrid

      Beck seems to have incurred the wrath of even some thinking Republican politicians, who do not like his spin on things. seems he is making a bad name for them all, and someone finally recognized that he does not sit well with Moderates.

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      Ralph Deeds 7 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      I'm honored by your poem. Thanks!

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      MFB III 7 years ago from United States

      Behold at your Beck and call,

      a radio version of Jim Jones,

      spewing poison kool-aid for the soul,

      as thousands of his disenfranchised stooges

      swallow it, many who are Southerners

      all sucking it down in grand old Dixie cups,

      then laying around complaining

      about the pain of losing their party.

      He packages crackers

      spread thick with lies,

      on buses paid for by

      health insurance lobbyists.

      calling them true patriots,

      as they become walking billboards

      that denounce all that our chosen

      elected government is trying to accomplish.

      They ooze the infected

      pus of Beck's hate,

      unable to accept that

      they are now a minority,

      of lesser stature then

      the Mexicans and Blacks

      they once thought were

      the major problems in this country.

      There were a lot of

      empty trailer parks on 9/12

      folks escaping their

      tin can prisons to place blame,

      for all of their woes

      on a leader who has only had

      9 months to correct 8 years

      of nothing but catering to

      big business interests.

      Many of the signs they raised

      pointed to a rather obvious

      collection of neo nazi's,

      skinheads, and Klueless Klutzy Klan,

      all enjoying the rights of free speech

      in it's most skewed forms.

      Yes, there were also some

      concerned citizen's there,

      exercising their legs and their

      rights to free speech,

      but they suffered

      from guilt by association

      with the radical, racists

      who also sought this Beck venue.

      standing shoulder to shoulder with raving

      revolutionarys who held signs that said,

      Pray for Obama's Doom,

      signs portraying him butt screwing another,

      signs stating Obama's grandmother's in hell.

      signs calling him fag, and a long legged mack daddy,

      all mixed in heavily with a rather healthy dose

      of their most racist rebel flag.

      Let's not forget the good

      Christian folks as well

      who were quite ready and willing

      to tell any Mexican baby or child,

      born in the U.S. by illegal immigrants

      to simply go pound some salt...

      if they were in dire need of health care.

      And who stood next to people holding

      signs that compared Our innocent leader

      to crimes of mass murder much

      like Hitler perpetuated,

      and signs that claimed God hated Obama,

      and others that touted him as the Anti-christ.

      Jesus Wept on 9/12

      for their callous hypocritical attitudes.

      and for the fact that they were following

      a false prophet, Beck-oning them to not love this particuliar brother, but too persecute him.

      Take a good long listen to him folks,

      Becks tongue is forked and

      he holds many at the crossroads,

      cajoling them to take the wrong direction

      so that in some small way his party can win

      even though they lost the big picture last November...

      and are in danger of losing any chance to rule again

      as whiners, grumblers and anti-government to the point

      of exasperation beyond anything

      the rest of America can stand.

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      Ralph Deeds 7 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      Very true. One of these days Beck will have a stroke or heart attack on his show if he doesn't calm down.

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      Ivan the Terrible 7 years ago from Madrid

      And I read where Beck recently misunderstood the Constitution, where it said that slaves brought across state lines were to be treated as imports, and applied that to illegal immigrants! Is there no end to this fools' idiocracy?

      Is this the "good old days" that Beck and his supporters want to bring you to? Does he REALLY think that clauses no longer in the Constitution because of the abolition of slavery have ANY part in your American lives today?

      If there were a God, He'd send Beck to live in some remote tent in Antarctica!

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      Ivan the Terrible 8 years ago from Madrid

      Beck it seems is in need of a solid math course, starting with addition, not multiplication. Reports over here in Spain say Washington officials recorded about 100,000 total. Were the Washington officials lying?

      If the Washington park service stopped counting in 1996, then why have they made counts since then? Or was that some other agency, such as the police or fire department? Someone reported these numbers.

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      Sara Tonyn 8 years ago from Ohio, the Buckeye State

      Derrick --

      Take a few deep breaths and relax; you seem kinda jacked up and a bit over-emotional. Maybe I'm misreading the tone of your posts. If so, I apologize.

      The point is I'm not looking to make things personal so please don't blow a brain rod on my account, 'k? I'm not 'fixated' on bashing every conservative opinion, nor am I full of hot air. And I know the difference between debt and deficit. Thanks for your concern though. Take care.

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      SweetiePie 8 years ago from Southern California, USA

      I do not care what the count was, but I would definitely not want to be there. Let me put it this way, you could not pay me a million dollars to hang out with that crowd.

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      cdggt 8 years ago

      There is no official count. The Park Service stopped that in 1996.

      Your 75k number is no more supportable than a 1.7 mil number. Wanting your number to be the official count doesn't make it so. Just like wanting it to be 1.7 mil doesn't make it so.

      The only numbers that really matter are the ones counted in 2010 anyway.

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      Ralph Deeds 8 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      Good point, Chef.

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      Chef Jeff 8 years ago from Universe, Milky Way, Outer Arm, Sol, Earth, Western Hemisphere, North America, Illinois, Chicago.

      And now Glenn Beck has problems with math. Official estimates for his 9-12 march were up to about 75,000, a rather impressive turnout, but Beck claims 1.7 million. Where did they sleep? Where did the park? were there increased numbers on mass transit? No, there were not. Did they suddenly just materialize inside of Washington without leaving any trace of how they got there, where they ate and where they slept? No reports of such massive crowds reflected in hotel/motel counts, restaurants, business, etc., and neither did the pictures used depict the real crowd, because someone faked the huge crowd photo used on some blogs.

      It turned out to be a doctored phot, at least 8 years old since newer buildings built in the background were missing, and only the people up front were real 9-12 marchers.

      A respectable turnout, indeed, but why inflate the numbers to 1.7 million when it can so easily be determined that this was false?

      I see Fox & Friends said 500,000, but even that can't be substantiated by any credible source.

      I'm afraid 75,000 will be highest official count.

      Mr. Beck, why weren't you even there? It was, after all, your march??????

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      estopher 8 years ago from Bainbridge, Ohio

      Liberal jibberish. Full of ideas but have no real answers to problems. Sounds like our President on prime-time. Here is what I want, don't ask me how it will work or who will pay for it?

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      Derrik 8 years ago from Maple Grove, MN

      Sara Tonyn:

      You said: "The deficit/debt issues started long before Obama took office yet that FACT seems to be totally ignored or minimized. Getting out of the mess the country is in is going to cost money; lots and lots of it. There's no way around it. But screaming and yelling about it in a manner that makes everything seem hopeless and dangerous -- which is exactly what Beck and Limbaugh do for ratings purposes -- only makes it more difficult for the country to work TOGETHER to solve the problems."

      First- you are right, the county's deficit issues started long ago. BUT- you are ignoring the point- to date The Obama Administration has SPENT over $1.75 TRILLION!!! He has not even been in office ONE YEAR!! And that is the amount that he has ADDED to that deficit!! And you are WRONG, about SPENDING LOTS OF MONEY to fix our deficit! THINK about it- and let's use the word DEBT, NATIONAL DEBT, because you are obviously getting the word DEFICIT confused with something else. You do not SPEND LOTS OF MONEY, to pay off DEBT. You CONSERVE your spending, and use your PROFITS to pay OFF the debt. Going off in 100 different directions and SPENDING money for everything you can think of, is NOT THE ANSWER, and our DEBT has actually INCREASED because of Obama's spending, not DECREASED. Your idea would only hold water if our national debt has been decreasing with all the spending you are talking about. BUT since our national debt has INCREASED by $1.75 TRILLION, (The amount Obama has spent to date, ASIDE from anything Bush spent in his term,)then your comment is ridiculous and full of HOT AIR. Are you really interested in solving our nation's problems, or are you too fixated on "BASHING" the "CONSERVATIVES" every opinion?????????

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      Derrik 8 years ago from Maple Grove, MN

      Sara Tonyn: You said: "I don't think THE FACTS you listed are quite as cut and dried as you presented, but it's not worth nitpicking the differences. That said, sure, I'm concerned about those things. People on BOTH sides are. All I ask is that discussions about those issues not be presented in such a way as to make it seem as if only liberals are to blame for them."

      But there you go- along with most every other member of the left in this hard discussion, you exclaim that I am pushing the idea that "you liberals" (your obvious interpretation of my tone) are all the bad guys, that I am claiming you are all to blame, you are all blind, and you are all missing the point, that is- my OPINION of the point. But the truth is that YOU are all doing the same thing to us "CONSERVATIVES", you are painting the same picture of US.

      I have already mentioned that I am tired of the NAME CALLING, and the POINTED FINGERS, because we are DOOMED if we do NOT STOP AND FIGURE OUT A SOLUTION.

      You also said that my "FACTS" are not as cut and dry as I made them out to be but that comment is totally UNSUBSTANTIATED. The facts I listed, all 4, are very hard facts, and they are PROVEN, and they are DOCUMENTED. So how do you suppose they are not as cut and dry? HOW SO?? What part of those 4 facts is LACKING?? And where is your PROOF? You claimed they are not so cut and dry but said NOTHING to support that claim, so why would I pay the slightest bit of attention?

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      cdggt 8 years ago

      I'd buy it. I'm sure that there are very positive things the UAW did as well as negative. With the polarized nature of politics today, it's virtually impossible to wade through the politicians to find somebody without an agenda when looking for information.

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      Ralph Deeds 8 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      I could write a book about the good and bad things the UAW did in General Motors.

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      cdggt 8 years ago

      I live in a right to work state so I'm fairly ignorant as to how unions and businesses actually work together elsewhere. I'd be interested in a Hub on what's really going on. The political right paints the Unions as absolute evil and the political left paints the corporations as absolute evil. I imagine its somewhere in between the two and I don't have the background to filter the BS. It's rare that you hear anybody speak about it without a severely biased opinion.

      I know this is a hub about Glenn Beck so I wont spend any more time on it.

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      Ralph Deeds 8 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      I'm not opposed to card check, but I don't think it's essential. There are plenty of other reforms that are needed to balance the scales at NLRB which have been heavily weighted in favor of employers for many years. The NLRB has benefited employers because before it workers organized by striking rather than by an established, legal recognition process. The current process is interminably slow and does not provide for meaningful penalties for flagrant violations by employers such as firing employees who are supporters of unionization and refusing to bargain in good faith if the union wins the recognition election.

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      cdggt 8 years ago

      Just curious Ralph, would you consider Card-Check a needed labor law reform?

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      Ralph Deeds 8 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      Tom, and you're just what I'd expect from an ignorant, knuckle-dragging, right-wing whackjob. The NLRB was definitely not in the AFL-CIO's pocket while I was there. And the unions have been quite critical of the NLRB for many years because employers have gotten away with outrageous illegal anti-union campaign tactics and because case resolutions take too long. Labor law reform is long overdue.

      Thanks for your comment. All are welcome.

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      Tom Whitworth 8 years ago from Moundsville, WV

      Ralph,

      Thanks so much for sniping at me on someone else's HUB this morning. It's just what I would expect from a liberal. I see you served on that bastion of liberalism the NLRB which was in the AFL-CIO's pocket on a consistant basis. Thanks to the NLRB most of our manufacturing base now resides in China.

      I realize your HUB is about Glenn Beck but you made me the subject in your comment in the other persons HUB that was not about me.

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      Ralph Deeds 8 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      We can agree on that!

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      cdggt 8 years ago

      She makes my skin crawl.

      You're probably right about the laughs though. I'm sure Republicans will scramble to try to defend every comment that she's ever vomited out. I may swing by there to take a few swipes... might be fun.

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      Ralph Deeds 8 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      You're missing a few laughs!

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      cdggt 8 years ago

      ugh.. I refuse to watch Ann Coulter. I'll take a pass on that one.

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      Ralph Deeds 8 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      There is less similarity between the Democratic and Republican parties than any time in recent history. I don't recall them ever being this polarized.

      cdggt, how do you like this female counterpart of Glenn Beck? (only much smarter, well a little smarter at least)

      https://hubpages.com/politics/Ann_Coulter_Leaves_a...

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      cdggt 8 years ago

      Ok, I can handle that. Maybe I misread the point you were trying to get across earlier. I apologize. I couldn't agree more with your last post.

      I get a little bent when it appears to me that somebody is completely blinded to the ridiculous partisanship that is springing up on both sides.

      I don't think that there is anything at all wrong with agreeing with a Liberal point of view on most issues. Although I find myself disagreeing when it comes to government intervention into people's private or business lives.

      The whole labeling each other communist, racist, fascist, stupid, etc., is getting us nowhere.

      As far as corruption goes, I don't believe that government or big business is leading the race. In my opinion they are equally corrupt. The difference to me is that government is larger and has the power of coercion. Legislation should be designed to protect and promote small business. Both parties push regulation that stifles small business and favors large. They just support different corporate interests.

      The whole Republican/Democrat debate is like identical twins arguing about which one is the ugliest.

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      Sara Tonyn 8 years ago from Ohio, the Buckeye State

      cdggt --

      No, of course not ALL Bible thumpers are rightwing extremists. C'mon, stop looking for a fight, wouldja? In case you haven't noticed, we agree more than disagree on things. And I'm not a bigot. Period.

      No, of course not ALL Christians preach hate. Jeez. I focused on Falwell & Co only because the subject of hate came up while talking about Beck, Coulter and Limbaugh, remember? Hate is an obvious common-ground connection between them all.

      Personally I don't care if someone is Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Jewish, a pantheist (moi) or anything else. Couldn't possibly care less. I just don't want to be hit over the head with a Bible -- or any other religious book. For that matter, any book at all!

      I completely agree about looking at the actions of individuals, which is precisely why I made the point earlier about evaluating everyone/everything in government separately. That's one reason I'm registered as an Independent. And that's definitely why I oppose declaring a party when registering! Grr.

      I've voted for Republicans, Democrats and smaller political party candidates too. I even cast a write-in ballot once. (I lost.) My votes are always based solely on the individual. I wish that were true of everyone but we all know SOME people vote strictly along party lines. That's ridiculous, IMO. It's exactly the kind of thing that helps keep political stereotypes alive and feeds the hate between them.

      That said, I willingly admit my beliefs and values most often -- but not always -- agree with a liberal point of view. That's just the way I roll. :)

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      Ralph Deeds 8 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      Here's Huffington Post's comment on Beck's smear of Van Jones--

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-kieschnick/w...

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      cdggt 8 years ago

      Their are extremists at both ends of the spectrum. Unfortunately they are both leading the debate.

      Are you saying that Christian's (or Bible thumper's as you call them) are all extremists? You haven't made a very good case that you are not a bigot.

      I have no problem with criticisms of Bush. I have plenty of gripes for him myself. Somehow I don't believe that bombing the shit out of somebody is the best way to spread Democracy.

      You should lighten up yourself. Not all Christians preach hate. You just choose to focus on the ones that do. I know everybody is taught to pigeonhole people into groups and stereotype them with wild labels marketed by their political affiliations for political expediency. I try to stick to the actions of the individual. Maybe that's why I choose to be Libertarian.

      Both sides are trying to impose their will on each other. I say back off and keep your agendas to yourselves. You're not a Christian, that's fine, that's your business. It's not your business if somebody else is. I don't want either side dictating to me. Wrong or right, I prefer to make my own choices.

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      Sara Tonyn 8 years ago from Ohio, the Buckeye State

      Ralph beat me to the Bush-Bin Ladens connection so I won't post anything else about that unless you want me to. But I will say there's a whole lot more to the story -- and it's not good news -- than what's in just that one article and there are plenty of credible sources. There's an excellent book titled "The Cell" that I think you'd be fascinated with. It's about Osama, 9/11 and what the Islamic terrorists really want -- in their own words. (No, it's not the takeover of the US.)

      You might also check into Prescott Bush and his financial connection to the Nazi party along with how the Bush family gained wealth and power. Fascinating! You didn't mention wanting evidence of that so I'm assuming you already knew something about it.

      My problem with you looking at corruption statistically is that there's no valid premise to begin with. That is, you can't say if 10% on the left are corrupt, 10% of the right must also be corrupt. Those on the right may be 100% corrupt or 100% uncorrupted. Every government, regardless of size or party, has to be examined separately.

      IMO, big business is extremely corrupt and it's the single biggest force behind any government. Which reminds me. Do you know about the Bush connection to Goldman Sachs?

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      Sara Tonyn 8 years ago from Ohio, the Buckeye State

      cdggt -- C'mon, get a grip.

      I'm no bigot. Far from it. Biting satire and parody isn't bigotism. Don't be in such a rush (pardon the pun) to accuse me of something nasty just because you're upset that I brought up information you weren't aware of and don't like.

      The fact is, there's paranoia in rightwing extremists. Do you say there isn't? And it's a fact that Bible thumpers are part of the extremist bunch -- or haven't you heard the Christian hate from Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Pat Buchanan and the many televangelists who blame liberals for all the sins of the world?

      Dubya Bush came up with the "evildoers" expression, not me. The accent was supposed to be Texan, like Bush. The comments were merely satire -- making fun of his "evildoers" expression plus the wild paranoia of Texan Bible-thumpers who think every liberal is a soul-less commie bent on destroying "their" (the thumpers') country.

      Lighten up, Francis. ;)

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      Ralph Deeds 8 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      The relationship between the Bush family and the Saudis including the Bin Ladens (not Osama) has been widely reported by mainstream medial and is beyond dispute.

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      cdggt 8 years ago

      That's great Ralph, I don't disagree that it should be investigated. I would like to see something that isn't an op-ed piece but, that's impossible without an investigation.

      Does that make the Liberals any more righteous? No. I don't see that Democrats are really that much different than Republicans. Both of those parties believe that a huge government is a good thing.

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      cdggt 8 years ago

      The first word was "if". It was conjecture, not a reference to an actual statistic. Call it one in one hundred if it makes you more comfortable.

      Who do governmental bureaucrats answer to? Who appoints them?

      I don't pretend to be a moderate. I've openly called myself a Libertarian.

      My point is that you level charges against one party when yours is no better. And, I'm not whining, I'm just pointing out your hypocrisy. I wouldn't expect you to apologize any more than I would expect Rush Limbaugh to apologize.

      Where did you call attention to a racist attack on Obama? I can only find where Glenn Beck called Obama a racist. That doesn't make Beck a racist, foolish maybe, but not a racist.

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      Ralph Deeds 8 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      cdggt, you questioned Sara's comment about the connection between Bush and the bin Ladens. Here's an article from the NYTimes--

      The Great Escape

      By Craig Unger

      Published: Tuesday, June 1, 2004

      Americans who think the 9/11 commission is going to answer all the crucial questions about the terrorist attacks are likely to be sorely disappointed -- especially if they're interested in the secret evacuation of Saudis by plane that began just after Sept. 11.

      We knew that 15 out of 19 hijackers were Saudis. We knew that Osama bin Laden, a Saudi, was behind 9/11. Yet we did not conduct a police-style investigation of the departing Saudis, of whom two dozen were members. of the bin Laden family. That is not to say that they were complicit in the attacks.

      Unfortunately, though, we may never know the real story. The investigative panel has already concluded that there is ''no credible evidence that any chartered flights of Saudi Arabian nationals departed the United States before the reopening of national airspace.'' But the real point is that there were still some restrictions on American airspace when the Saudi flights began.

      In addition, new evidence shows that the evacuation involved more than the departure of 142 Saudis on six charter flights that the commission is investigating. According to newly released documents, 160 Saudis left the United States on 55 flights immediately after 9/11 -- making a total of about 300 people who left with the apparent approval of the Bush administration, far more than has been reported before. The records were released by the Department of Homeland Security in response to a Freedom of Information Act request filed by Judicial Watch, a conservative, nonpartisan watchdog group in Washington.

      The vast majority of the newly disclosed flights were commercial airline flights, not charters, often carrying just two or three Saudi passengers. They originated from more than 20 cities, including Chicago, Dallas, Denver, Detroit and Houston. One Saudi Arabian Airlines flight left Kennedy Airport on Sept. 13 with 46 Saudis. The next day, another Saudi Arabian Airlines flight left with 13 Saudis.

      The panel has indicated that it has yet to find any evidence that the F.B.I. checked the manifests of departing flights against its terror watch list. The departures of additional Saudis raise more questions for the panel. Richard Clarke, the former counterterrorism czar, told The Hill newspaper recently that he took full responsibility for approving some flights. But we don't know if other Bush administration officials participated in the decision.

      The passengers should have been questioned about any links to Osama bin Laden, or his financing. We have long known that some faction of the Saudi elite has helped funnel money to Islamist terrorists --inadvertently at least. Prince Ahmed bin Salman, who has been accused of being an intermediary between Al Qaeda and the House of Saud, boarded one of the evacuation planes in Kentucky. Was he interrogated by the F.B.I. before he left?

      If the commission dares to address these issues, it will undoubtedly be accused of politicizing one of the most important national security investigations in American history -- in an election year, no less.

      But if it does not, it risks something far worse -- the betrayal of the thousands of people who lost their lives that day, not to mention millions of others who want the truth.

      Craig Unger is the author of ''House of Bush, House of Saud: The Secret Relationship Between the World's Two Most Powerful Dynasties.''

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      Ralph Deeds 8 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      "If one in ten bureaucrats is corrupt."

      cggdt, where did you get that ridiculous statistic? I have worked in the Federal government and in the Michigan state government, and I don't recall encountering corruption on the part of any "bureaucrat."

      We read about corruption in city, state and federal government every day, but most of it is not attributable to bureaucrats, but rather to corrupt elected officials and their appointees bed by legal and illegal contributions by corrupt businesses and corporations as in "pay to play" and for the privilege of drafting legislation designed to benefit their business (oil, coal, mining, timber, pharmaceuticals, health care insurance, etc.)

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      Ralph Deeds 8 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      cdggt, I don't hate people who disagree with me. You are proceeding in your usual ad hominem fashion. I do dislike the lies being spread by the opponents of health care reform and other aspects of the Obama administration. It's true that both parties engage in hyperbolic, distorted rhetoric which is not helpful to accomplishing what needs to be done. At present, however, the most hateful rhetoric is coming from disgruntled libertarians as you appear to b e, Christian Evangelicals, the NRA, health care insurance and drug companies and Republican congressional leaders who have announced their intent to "break Obama," regardless of what the public interest requires.

      Your attempt to portray yourself as a moderate who is only looking for the middle ground is a transparent attempt to disguise your opposition to Obama and his constructive programs.

      I am a lifelong liberal Democrat and proud of it. I don't feel a need to apologize for calling attention to racist attacks on Obama and GOP obstructionism. If you don't like it take your whining somewhere else.

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      cdggt 8 years ago

      Think about the last paragraph in your comment... Who is the hateful one? The people of this country are more intelligent than that. Even if they have a Southern accent. Comments like that are why people in the south can never side with the left. Bigotry is bigotry. Do you not understand that? You're a bigot.

      I guess my opinion of large government is based on statistics and not political affiliation. If one in ten bureaucrats are corrupt then, there are less corrupt bureaucrats in a group of ten than a group of 1000.

      I have no illusions that Republicans are less corrupt than Dems. I imagine its about the same. That's why I prefer free market solutions instead of just giving up and granting power to these guys.

      As far as evidence: Bush hanging out with the Bin Ladens for one. Was this on Alex Jones's website or is there a reliable source? That's worth investigation if there is and a possible prosecution. I was completely unaware of it. I think Bush was more dangerous to our country than Obama in a lot of ways. I just refuse to believe accusations like that without some sort of factual foundation. I'd be a fool if I did.

      This Van Jones thing is different though. The man was part of the Obama Administration. Isn't it the media's responsibility to point out things like that? The man was an avowed communist. That's a defunct ideology if I've ever seen one. After the collapse of the USSR and the information that was made public afterwords how can anybody argue that point?

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      Sara Tonyn 8 years ago from Ohio, the Buckeye State

      cdggt --

      Thanks for the response. Sorry I was so long-winded. LOL

      What exactly are you referring to re "reliable evidence"? There's nothing that can't be easily Googled. I just didn't want to rehash old news since my post already read like a book. :)

      BTW, I don't need to reevaluate my "liberal stance". That's based on the ideas and principles I agree with. It's not tied to a person. And the size of government doesn't automatically determine how corrupt it is, though I understand your point. The thing is, one person can be more corrupt than 10,000 other people put together. You have to examine each scenario separately.

      My point is just that neither side is free from corruption. So if Beck and Limbaugh want to scare their listeners to death and whip them into hate-filled frenzies by making hollow mountains out of abandoned molehills, why don't they rail about Republican conservative "terrorists"?

      Rufus and Ellie Mae down in Bugfluck, Texas should be told about ALL them thar evil-doers who'er plannin' to destroy the good ol' US of A and eat their young 'uns not just the ones that don't belong to the Landover Baptist church.

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      cdggt 8 years ago

      Right wing nuts and Left wing nuts are defining the debate. Left wing loons are no better than Right wing ones. Ralph you easily fall into the Left side of that statement since throughout the entire comment section of your hub you do nothing but attack the right and defend the left.

      There doesn't seem to be a middle ground for you. Do you not recognize ANY of the lies, propaganda and rumors being spread by the left? I bet you can't even name one. At least you are not willing to.

      If you would drop the hate of anybody that disagrees with you and actually read my previous comments objectively you would recognize that I'm nowhere near as biased and blind as you. But, that won't happen. You are 100% owned by a political party. You are no different than a rabid Rush Limbaugh listener. You're just chained to a different ideology.

      You are so full of hate that a reasonable conversation is impossible. That being said, I recognize that I'm wasting my time with reason on this hub. I'll save any further opinions and debate for a more reasonable and less wildly partisan environment.

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      Ralph Deeds 8 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      Sara made a long comment. You asked for facts but you didn't specify what facts you were looking for. Your comments are the ones devoid of facts and, yes, as I said inspired by the fears, hatred, shameless lies, rumors being spewed onto this land by right wingnuts and partisan Republicans in Congress.

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      cdggt 8 years ago

      Ralph, that's a silly statement.

      I think it's reasonable to ask for reliable evidence on a comment like that. As I've said repetitively, I'm no Republican. If it's true it's true. I wont argue against fact.

      But, proving a Republican is stupid does not mean that all Democrats are right when it comes to enlarging the American Government which is loaded with corruption and ineptitude on both sides. If they are so evil, why do you people work so hard at giving them more power? It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

      Rumor, fear and hatred... really? Ralph, you're a walking bumper sticker. I ask for facts and you say that. I didn't even argue with her. Sounds like your applying the stereotypes that apply to you to me. Wouldn't hatred be an apt description for your hub? Couldn't you call random comments unsubstantiated with fact, rumor? Fear of big government, YES! History shows that fear to be a very reasonable one.

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      Ralph Deeds 8 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      cggdt, Everythins Sara said is true. You are the one who lives in a world of rumors, fear and hatred.

      Sara, great comment! It deserves to be a separate hub.

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      cdggt 8 years ago

      Show some reliable evidence as to that effect Sara. That sounds more like a conspiracy theory than fact. You sound exactly like what you are railing against. Just a left wing version. If what you are saying is true, maybe you should reevaluate your liberal stance since it is obvious that government is corrupt from top to bottom. Bigger government = bigger corruption. Pretending government corruption is all right wing or all left wing is willful blindness.

      As for Van Jones - Anybody that labels themselves a 'Communist' after the collapse of the the Soviet Union shouldn't be feared but should be ridiculed as an idiot.

      I wouldn't appoint an avowed communist to mow my grass. Van Jones should be cleaning the Slurpee machine out at the local Qwikee Mart not advising the president.

      This just goes to show that these Special Advisors or 'Czars' should be vetted by congress. That clown would probably never have been suggested for the post in the first place.

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      Sara Tonyn 8 years ago from Ohio, the Buckeye State

      Derrick --

      Thanks for the props.

      I have no problem with calling any story "news". I only have a problem when the details of the story are selective, exaggerated or taken out of context. Beck, Limbaugh and Coulter do all those things on a regular basis to create controversy -- which in turn boosts ratings. That's their shtick. Certainly there are some on the left who do it too. But IMO Beck, Limbaugh and Coulter are the worst offenders. Not because they're conservatives/on the right. I feel they're the worst offenders because they knowingly and intentionally stir up so much hate (especially Coulter) and fear (especially Beck and Limbaugh). Those are the two most dangerous human emotions to toy with -- and yet they exploit them without any apparent shame.

      Look at how quickly and deeply the country divides in anger because of what those three "entertainers" say. (I don't care what they call themselves; "entertainers" is the best I can do for them.) Nothing that Obama, Bush, Nader, Paul, you and I put together could result in the panicky, dangerous over-reactions that are the staple results of Beck's, Limbaugh's and Coulter's yammerings.

      I don't have any problem with FOX News being very conservative. That's fine. I only take issue with them calling themselves "fair and balanced" when they obviously aren't. It's an insult to the viewers' intelligence to make that claim. I mean even many conservatives themselves acknowledge that the station leans heavily to the right.

      As for FOX interviewing both people on both sides of an issue, yes, they do. Albeit they pick their interviewees with care. But so do CNN, CNBC, NPR, MSNBC, etc.

      I don't think THE FACTS you listed are quite as cut and dried as you presented, but it's not worth nitpicking the differences. That said, sure, I'm concerned about those things. People on BOTH sides are. All I ask is that discussions about those issues not be presented in such a way as to make it seem as if only liberals are to blame for them. Corruption and greed are plentiful on both sides, and the health care system is a concern for both sides. The deficit/debt issues started long before Obama took office yet that FACT seems to be totally ignored or minimized. Getting out of the mess the country is in is going to cost money; lots and lots of it. There's no way around it. But screaming and yelling about it in a manner that makes everything seem hopeless and dangerous -- which is exactly what Beck and Limbaugh do for ratings purposes -- only makes it more difficult for the country to work TOGETHER to solve the problems.

      It would take too much time and space here to fully explore and re-re-re-rehash the histories of Van Jones, Jim Jones and Willian Ayers so let me just say that NO I'm not afraid of them. There's no indication they're secretly plotting to take over the country. (Then presumably the world, solar system, galaxy and universe, I guess.) So unless and until they're found to be doing something criminal or threatening NOW, in 2009, I refuse to join the paranoids on the extreme right in their Doomsday scenarios.

      If people or things in a person's past are enough to scare and worry the rightwing extremists to death, where was their screaming and hollering and fear when Bush was president?

      The Bush family has been tied to the bin Ladens for decades. And Bush's grandfather has a connection to -- brace yourself -- HITLER! Ergo, they all must be terrorists and/or crazed Nazis, right?

      In fact, the bin Ladens were actually visiting over at George and Laura's ON 9/11/2001. And Dubya arranged for them to be flown out of the country BEFORE he even addressed the twin towers disaster. Those are FACTS that are well documented.

      So according to right-extremist rationale, speculation and guilt-by-association it means Bush and his entire family are terrorists. And they MUST have been part of the 9/11 plan too, right? My God, Bush is practically Osama bin Laden's brother, no? So why wasn't he arrested and executed by now? And why were he and his poppa ever allowed in the White House in the first place?

      And why wasn't there a single peep or the least bit of concern coming from Beck, Limbaugh, Coulter or FOX News about any of that?

      EGADS! That can only mean Beck, Limbaugh and Coulter are TERRORISTS TOO. (Actually, that description does fit them, IMO.)

      And what about CNAP? We haven't even touched on that and the direct connections to Rove, Cheney and Rumsfeld. Where's the rightwing outrage and fear over that world domination saga? Talk about your big government.

      My point is simply that so much of the outrageous "entertainment" by people like Beck, Limbaugh and Coulter is based on that kind of selective, illogical and misleading information. And that's what they use to instill such strong hatred and fear and mega-paranoia in "fans" who take whatever those three say as the complete gospel truth.

      And that's what I find really scary.

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      Ralph Deeds 8 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      I don't know much about Van Jones. I had never heard of him til last week. And I'm not sure what the truth is about him. Beck may be right, or he may be engaging in character assassination, going back to Jones's associations in kindergarden as was done to Obama during the election campaign last year and still continuing to this day, e.g., criticizing him for something Ayers did 40 years or so ago and trying to say that he must agree with every extreme thing the Rev. Wright ever said. But the electorate was too smart to go for that swift boating attempt. The big smear worked against Kerry but not against Obama. Perhaps the majority was ready for a change because of how badly Bush screwed up and the weakness of the McCain-Palin ticket.

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      estopher 8 years ago from Bainbridge, Ohio

      If Glenn Beck is such a psycho-rightwing-nut-job why did so said Beck czar "Van Jones" of the green jobs intitiative resign from Obama's cabinet? This is a President who said if you want to know me look at who is around me. And again how do we pay for these agendas? How does it work (health care)? How much will it raise taxes and national debt?

      Left:Answer these questions and the right will probably be quiet, cover them up with more questions and sctrutiny and the right will only become louder.

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      Ralph Deeds 8 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      Speaking of corruption,

      FBI Whistleblower: Hastert, Burton, Blunt, Other Members of Congress 'Bribed, Blackmailed'

      Breaking Down the Under-Oath Disclosures of the Formerly-Gagged Sibel Edmonds...

      By Brad Friedman

      September 07, 2009 "Huffington Post" -- It has now been over a week since the video tape and transcript from the remarkable 8/8/09 deposition of former FBI translator-turned-whistleblower Sibel Edmonds was publicly released. Previously, the Bush Administration invoked the so-called "state secrets privilege" in order to gag Edmonds, in attempting to keep such information from becoming public.

      The under-oath, detailed allegations include bribery, blackmail, espionage and infiltration of the U.S. government of, and by current and former members of the U.S. Congress, high-ranking State and Defense Department officials and agents of the government of Turkey. The broad criminal conspiracy is said to have resulted in, among other things, the sale of nuclear weapons technology to black market interests including Pakistan, Iran, North Korea, Libya and others.

      Even as many of these allegations had been previously corroborated to varying extents, by a number of official government reports, documents and independent media outlets (largely overseas), not a single major mainstream media outlet in the U.S. has picked up on Edmonds' startling claims since her deposition has been made fully available.

      Granted, last week was a busy news week, with the death of Ted Kennedy, the release of the CIA Inspector General's report on torture, and the announcement that Michael Jackson's death was ruled a homicide. And, it's true, a 4-hour deposition and/or 241-page transcript [PDF] is a lot of material to review, particularly given the wide scope of the charges being made here. Still, given the serious national security issues at stake, said to have the been among the most important matters of the past 8 years, one would think someone in the corporate MSM might have taken the time to go through the material, and report on it. Particularly as Edmonds' claims have previously been found "credible" "serious" and "warrant[ing] a thorough and careful review," by the DoJ Inspector General, and confirmed as such, on several occasions, by Senators Chuck Grassley (R-IA), Patrick Leahy (D-VT) and many many others.

      So for the benefit of the U.S. media, and other readers, who may find it helpful for this large body of newly-available information to be culled down into more digestible pieces, I will attempt to break down the deposition, a bit, into some of its subject matter-based component parts. I will try to go through the major disclosures from the deposition, one-by-one, in a series of pieces which might help others to further report and/or investigate these breathtaking disclosures from a former FBI official who, following 9/11, listened to and translated wiretap recordings made from 1996 through 2002, in the FBI's counterintelligence and counterterrorism departments, under top-secret clearance.

      In this first break-down article, we'll look at the answers given by Edmonds during her deposition in regard to bribery and blackmail of current and former members of the U.S. Congress, including Dennis Hastert (R-IL), Bob Livingston (R-LA), Dan Burton (R-IN), Roy Blunt (R-MO), Stephen Solarz (D-NY), Tom Lantos (D-CA, deceased) and an unnamed, currently-serving, married Democratic Congresswoman said to have been video-taped in a Lesbian affair by Turkish agents for blackmail purposes.

      In further breakdown articles, we'll look at her disclosures concerning top State and Defense Department officials including Douglas Feith, Paul Wolfowitz and, perhaps most notably, the former Deputy Undersecretary of State, Marc Grossman, the third-highest ranking official in the State Department. Also, details on the theft of nuclear weapons technology; disclosures on Valerie Plame Wilson's CIA front company Brewster-Jennings; items related to U.S. knowledge of 9/11 and al-Qaeda prior to September 11, 2001; infiltration of the FBI translation department and more.

      Though Edmonds was careful to not "discuss the intelligence gathering method by the FBI," she notes in her deposition that her claims are "Based on documented and provable, tracked files and based on...100 percent, documented facts."

      Among the specific charges she levels against current and former U.S. Congress Members in the deposition:

      Dennis Hastert: "[S]everal categories. The acceptance of large sums of bribery in forms of cash or laundered cash ... to make it look legal for his campaigns, and also for his personal use, in order to do certain favors ... make certain things happen for foreign entities and foreign governments' interests, Turkish government's interest and Turkish business entities' interests. ... other activities, too, including being blackmailed for various reasons. ... he used the townhouse that was not his residence for certain not very morally accepted activities. ... foreign entities knew about this, in fact, they sometimes participated in some of those not maybe morally well activities in that particular townhouse that was supposed to be an office, not a house, residence at certain hours, certain days, evenings of the week."

      Stephen Solarz: "[A]s lobbyist ... acted as conduit to deliver or launder contribution and other briberies to certain members of Congress, but also in pressuring outside Congress, and including blackmail, in certain members of Congress."

      Bob Livingston: "Until 1999 ... not very legal activities on behalf of foreign interests and entities, and after 1999 acting as a conduit to, again, further foreign interests, both overtly and covertly as a lobbyist, but also as an operative."

      Tom Lantos: "[N]ot only ... bribe[ry], but also ... disclosing highest level protected U.S. intelligence and weapons technology information both to Israel and to Turkey. ... other very serious criminal conduct."

      Unnamed Congresswoman: (Though not identified as such during the deposition, Edmonds has since confirmed her to be a Democrat) "[T]his Congresswoman's married with children, grown children, but she is bisexual. ... So they have sent Turkish female agents, and that Turkish female agents work for Turkish government, and have sexual relationship with this Congresswoman in her townhouse ... and the entire episodes of their sexual conduct was being filmed because the entire house, this Congressional woman's house was bugged. ... to be used for certain things that they wanted to request ... I don't know if she did anything illegal afterward. ... the Turkish entities, wanted both congressional related favoritism from her, but also her husband was in a high position in the area in the state she was elected from, and these Turkish entities ran certain illegal operations, and they wanted her husband's help. But I don't know if she provided them with those."

      Roy Blunt: "[T]he recipient of both legally and illegally raised donations, campaign donations from ...Turkish entities."

      Dan Burton: (And others) "[E]xtremely illegal activities against the United States citizens who were involved in [covert] operations that were ... against ... foreign government[s] and foreign entities against the United States' interests."

      Hastert, Livingston and Solarz, as Edmonds notes in her deposition, would all go on to become highly-paid lobbyist for Turkey and/or Turkish public interest groups after they left the U.S. Congress.

      * * *

      The startling key exchanges relating specifically to criminal corruption by members of the U.S. Congress, from the 8/8/09 Sibel Edmonds deposition in the Schmidt v. Krikorian case, currently pending before the Ohio Election Commission, are now excerpted here.

      The full deposition transcript is here [PDF], and more details, including the complete video-tape of the entire deposition, can be seen in our original coverage of the deposition's release.

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      Chef Jeff 8 years ago from Universe, Milky Way, Outer Arm, Sol, Earth, Western Hemisphere, North America, Illinois, Chicago.

      Derrik, government has been corrupt for a very long time. Yet it seems that to some people it was only corrupt under Bush, and to others only under Obama. Even under Reagan, Johnson, Kennedy, Eisenhower, Nixon, Carter, Ford & Bush Sr. it was corrupt. That is why in his wisdom Eisenhower warned us about it. There were many people on the Right who condemned him as a Communist for saying that. Now the Right seems to champion the idea of the government as corrupt.

      Some of the closest people to Bush were also corrupt and of dubious political sentiments. You fear that Obama's people are Communist. Others worried that Bush's people were Fascist. Maybe both ideas are right. Maybe we need better candidates to run for these offices.

      Maybe we need a way to cleanse the entire system and make it work. But looking back at the history of our nation, the government, meaning those we elect, never worked very well. Why should we expect it to now?

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      Ralph Deeds 8 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      I'm not aware of a single source that is trustworthy on all topics. My answer is to read and watch as many different sources as I have time for from Mother Jones and the Nation to Fox. That usually gets me close to the truth.

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      Chef Jeff 8 years ago from Universe, Milky Way, Outer Arm, Sol, Earth, Western Hemisphere, North America, Illinois, Chicago.

      Glenn Beck does not call himself a journalist. He has no background in anything but talk-radio, and now, talk-TV. Everything he says is merely opinion, which is worthless on any news program. That is why CNN/HN dumped him. He makes his point by not researching his statements, by not following any code of journalistic ethics and by not worrying about the effects his opinions have on either the nation or the people watching him.

      To say he is alone in this would be folly. People on both extremes of our political system do the same thing. FOX does represent the Right and Conservatism, is neither fair nor balanced, and always comes to the same conclusions. In this they are mimicked by MSNBC, which favors the Left.

      If you want real news, I'm afraid you have to look very carefully as non-political sources, entities with no axe to grind or no cause to celebrate. PBS comes to mind.

      One more thing about FOX: They damned IMUS when he worked for MSNBC. Now they've hired him. Strange, me thinks.

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      Ralph Deeds 8 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      Thank you Glenn Beck from Ariana:

      Arianna Huffington: Thank you, Glenn Beck. By helping force the resignation of Van Jones, you have done a great service to your country. But in the exact opposite way than you intended. Your vile and vicious smear campaign has helped reverse one of the worst examples of miscasting since John Wayne took on the role of Genghis Khan in The Conqueror. Don't get me wrong: Van Jones was the best person for the job he just gave up. But the job was not the best use of Van Jones. Van is a truly gifted speaker who knows how to use words to move people to action. To stick him behind a desk with a sock in his mouth was a major waste. Now, thanks to Beck, he is freed to do what he does best: inspire and educate and energize people all across America. Click here to read more.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/t...

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      Derrik 8 years ago from Maple Grove, MN

      Sara Tonyn:

      You want props? Here you go. You are RIGHT, to a good degree about those news shows wanting RATINGS, PUBLICITY and making comments and articles for SHOCK VALUE, and that INCLUDES Fox news. Where your comments fall short, is that while these news organizations have a certain goal based on ratings and the like, they are still presenting stories that are news-worthy. That is why they are called "news". And ALL OF YOU are right when you say that FOX is not "fair and balanced" but STRONGLY CONSERVATIVE, however the difference is that FOX is willing to allow talk hosts with other perspectives, and when the commentators have their shows they interview BOTH Conservatives and Liberals.

      That said, there is another point, you said that you are tired of all this bunk you are hearing, and for the most part, your argument is geared to discredit what programs like the Glenn Beck show are claiming, you claim that he and others like him are simply "fear mongers", and you said "What bothers me most is that they don't seem the least bit concerned about the unfounded hate and fear they might well be instilling in some listeners, viewers and readers."

      You also complain about the name calling, and all that "Obama Bashing" you keep hearing and you want everyone to STOP unless they can give cold hard FACTS. Is that right?

      THE FACTS:

      1)The US Government is CORRUPT.

      2)Greedy, RICH politicians in office have been quietly passing legislation for DECADES to ensure their continued "service" in office, but not to serve, but to REAP THE MASSIVE REWARDS AND MONEY they are virtually STEALING from the American people.

      3)The Health Care Reform BILL was not written by CONGRESS- but by a PRIVATE organization called the Apollo Alliance. A private organization getting LEGISLATION THAT AFFECTS U.S. LAW PASSED BY CONGRESS? And Congressmen have ADMITTED that they have not read that bill, nor do they wish to, they simply "trust" this "organization" to have the American publics' best interests at heart.

      4)We have a current national deficit of OVER $9 TRILLION, with another $4 Trillion projected to be spent in the next 10 years because of legislation the Obama Administration is gearing up to push through into law before Obama's term ends.

      You are not seriously WORRIED about these issues?? You do not see the possible outcome if we stand by and do nothing? Can you honestly tell me, that knowing these issues exist, and knowing that Van Jones (for 1 example) was a "special adviser" to the President of the United States, Van Jones who is an ADMITTED COMMUNIST, knowing these things does not "INSTILL A HUGE AMOUNT OF FEAR" in you?

      For the record, Van Jones has resigned his position as "green jobs special adviser" to the President. But still the Obama Administration refuses to meet with people like Glenn Beck and comment on all these very harsh, very serious accusations aimed at him and the company he keeps, JIM JONES is currently still on the list of advisers to the president, a man who is CO-FOUNDER of the Weather Underground. (The other co-founder, is William AYERS.) I am afraid, VERY AFRAID. The FBI should have STOPPED THESE TERRORISTS FROM EVER ENTERING THE WHITE HOUSE IN THE FIRST PLACE. Instead, those very same men, are literally "Special Advisers to the President of the United States". Yes, BE AFRAID.

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      Ralph Deeds 8 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      Becky boy's sponsors are down to the National Review and the Weekly Standard, two hard right publications, the Wall Street Journal, a dubious credit card debt relief outfit called Consumer Debt Advocate, a wrinkle creme with a special formula for aging Republican crones, ZeroWater, DebtWise, Carbonite, Comcast and FreeTax Analysis another dubious firm. In other words he's lost nearly all of his former big advertisers who quickly dissociated themselves from him after his racism rant against President Obama.

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      Ralph Deeds 8 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      Great comment, Sarah. Thanks!

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      Sara Tonyn 8 years ago from Ohio, the Buckeye State

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      Sara Tonyn 8 years ago from Ohio, the Buckeye State

      "Beck's ratings are a reflection on the ignorance of the average Fox News channel watcher. Beck, like Limbaugh and Coulter, is more of an entertainer than a journalist."

      Absolutely, though I don't find any of them entertaining either. All three make absurd, controversial statements for shock value, ratings and publicity. What bothers me most is that they don't seem the least bit concerned about the unfounded hate and fear they might well be instilling in some listeners, viewers and readers.

      There are some who believe that whatever those 3 say is fact, no matter how outrageous it is. No matter how over the top. Then the parroting begins. (People will deny being parrots yet they're proud to call themselves "Dittoheads". Go figure.)

      C'mon, where's the common sense? You don't have to like Obama or agree with any of his plans or ideas. But he's not a Nazi for cryin' out loud! I mean really! A Nazi?

      Can't you see that kind of extreme name-calling is why it's hard for you to be taken seriously?

      Disagree all you want with Obama, liberals, Democrats or anyone else. That's fine. But use facts -- not obvious distortions -- to calmly make your argument.

      Leave the outrageous name-calling, hate speeches and fear-mongering to the radio and TV political shock-jocks. Keep in mind they do it for ratings and financial gain. It's sad that they're willing to use such tactics but at least they have the excuse that they're entertainers.

      Listeners, readers and viewers have no such excuse. They need to make their cases by using logic and reasoning, not dramatic exaggerations. Otherwise they risk being labeled "extremists" or "right-wingnuts" and never being taken seriously.

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      Ralph Deeds 8 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      Beck's ratings are a reflection on the ignorance of the average Fox News channel watcher. Beck, like Limbaugh and Coulter, is more of an entertainer than a journalist. However, I don't find him enterrtaining. I don't discount "every Obama opposer as a right-wing nut-job." However, there are plenty of nutjobs around not the least on HubPages--Birthers, 911 conspiracy nuts, those who call Obama a Nazi, a Commy, a Marxist, a Socialist, a racist, etc. rather than explaining what it is about his policies or proposals with which they disagree. They just parrot the epithets fed them by shills for the gun manufacturere, oil companies, pharmaceutical companies, health care companies, et al, who couldn't care less about their interests and welfare.

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      estopher 8 years ago from Bainbridge, Ohio

      Gleen Beck has better ratings than any of your CNN,MSNBC, reporters, and more than some of them put together. He does go to far sometimes, but he also has some legitimate questions. At least he is practicing journalism. He is getting to the stories and trying to find answers to how this President is working.For the left journalism is dead! It is easy to try to discount every opposer to Obama as a right wing nut-job, but not one hub from you on your understanding of this bill or how it will work and why there is nothing to be afraid of, no stories discounting Fox's points of views or answers for their questions. No review of what Beck refers to as "Czars" in Obama's cabinet,and discounting their being communist or racist (admittingly).Do some journalism and prove something, no one watches these shows on CNN and MSNBC because they have no news to report. Taking a couple of Nazi signs and a very intelligent man displaying his right to bear arms is hardly the majority of the conservative movement. It is easier for the Left to discredit everyone as crazy than to actually answer the questions with some opposing journalism.

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      Derrik 8 years ago from Maple Grove, MN

      CDGGT is right, Ralph that is exactly what the legislation is geared to do. And for the record, "Republicans in congress" are not trying to "destroy" the Obama administration, they know all too well that they can't come nearly that close. They are attempting to set up as many road blocks as they are able, and even then they are quite limited with a Democrat majority. They are not doing this because they are so twisted and evil, they are trying to slow the MASSIVE DAMAGE Obama has produced so far. AGAIN, I have to state, we have accumulated MORE DEBT since Obama took office (And I am talking about Obama and his administration spending record amounts, not Bush) than any other President's administration in history. TODAY we are at a whoring record of well over NINE TRILLION DOLLARS. We only had around 5 MAXIMUM when Obama was elected. Buddy- the FACTS AND RECORDS are on MY side of this argument. You've lost before you started this Hub. Don't force me to drag and copy our current deficit records and fiscal projections on my next post- because if you force me to I will do JUST THAT. I KNOW they are there because I have seen them. If I must I will blow your smug opinions to kingdom come, with the actual FACTS to back up my argument.

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      cdggt 8 years ago

      Bi-partisan doesn't mean "agree with everything we say so that we can have some political cover." And, yes, the time frame is true.

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      Ralph Deeds 8 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      That's not true. Obama is the one who reached out to the Republicans because he wanted a bi-partisan health bill developed by representatives of both parties in Congress. The House Republicans refused to participate and only a couple or three GOP senators are working with Baucus on the senate health care bill.

      EISENHOWER'S OTHER WARNING

      IN this summer of town hall disruptions and birth-certificate controversies, a summer when it seemed as if the Republican Party had been captured by its extremist wing, it is worth recalling a now-obscure letter from President Dwight D. Eisenhower.

      Here's a link to the op-ed by Max Blumenthal

      http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/03/opinion/03blumen...

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      cdggt 8 years ago

      Hey Ralph, the original intent of the Obama Admin was to cram this legislation through in two weeks. How do you have a rational discussion on a 1018 page bill that re-structures 1/6th of our economy in that time frame?

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      cdggt 8 years ago

      OMG... I gotta take off work and get started on my bomb shelter! Need to buy bottled water and spam! ARE YOU KIDDING ME!

      Artwork in NYC is proof of an international communist conspiracy? Ralph, you oughta be cheering that crap on. That's not going to do anything but help your side. That almost makes me want to become a Liberal... almost.

      Somebody please explain to me that the video on Huf Post was satire taken out of context.

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      Ralph Deeds 8 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      Tell that to the Republicans in Congress. They won't come to the table. They are trying to wreck the Obama administration rather than entering into a rational discussion of this key public policy issue.

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      Derrik 8 years ago from Maple Grove, MN

      Kartika:

      Ok, just a point to clarify what you said about Glenn Beck, You are correct about him overstepping his boundaries by calling Obama a racist. But- I am AGAINST the Health Care Reform Bill. NOW- I am SICK AND TIRED of people CLAIMING that I am against "Health Care Reform". I am all for it!! We NEED IT DESPERATELY! But the bill in it's current form was NOT WRITTEN BY CONGRESS, therefore I am AGAINST IT. I will not sit by IDLY while CONGRESS passes a bill NOT WRITTEN BY THEM, and NOT EVEN READ AND UNDERSTOOD by them. And the "Public Option" is out of the question. The problem with this current bill, is that it puts Health Care into the hands of the US Government, and THAT IS NOT WHAT OUR GOVERNMENT IS FOR. What we NEED to do, is get together, and EVERYONE hammer out an agreement THAT EVERYONE can accept. Because whether you all like it or not, THE DEMS AND REPS IN AMERICA ARE ABOUT 50/50. Obama did NOT WIN BY A LANDSLIDE. It just looked that way, because after BARELY winning the important states, he got the electoral votes for them and when added up his electorals overwhelmed McCain's. But I am telling you, the Liberals VS Conservatives in America is 50/50. So we NEED to work together instead of fighting and trying to do whatever the heck we want while "OUR SIDE" is in office. Bush has certain laws in place that will take YEARS for the Democratic congress to overturn, and when Obama LOSES the next election he will have laws in place to curb the next administration unless it is Democrat. We are fighting, scheming, and accomplishing nothing important in the mean time. If we do not STOP, and ACCEPT that there are others out there with a different opinion, and WORK TOGETHER NOW, then we will continue to fight for our respective causes. And let me tell you all, the fighting, is escalating. DAMN your opinions, and DAMN my opinions. WE NEED TO STOP, NOW, AND WORK TOGETHER.

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      Ralph Deeds 8 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      Shades of General Buck Turgidson!

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      JamesBenjaminJrMD 8 years ago from USA

      Nothing.

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      John McCutchen 8 years ago

      Mandrake, I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

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      cdggt 8 years ago

      sheesh...

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      John McCutchen 8 years ago

      Well somebody has to speak out against the Communistic ObamaNazis

      And Glenn just lost another SEVENTEEN advertisers and all because he discovers things like

      COMMUNIST ART AT NBC

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/02/glenn-bec...