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Government Shutdown Explained

Updated on October 1, 2013
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Political differences exist. More often than not they are there and they get in the way of actual work getting done.

With this in mind it seems that the obvious response to a huge Democrats/Republicans disagreement is, of course, holding 800,000 government workers’ pay and jobs hostage because your party is too stubborn to accept that a law was passed. The rational solution is to throw the toys on the floor, stamp your feet and complain about something that has no way of being changed - it is law, and there is nothing the GOP can do about it. Except it's not because it makes no sense at all.

Are you confused? I was too, but here is everything you need to know about the situation.

What is happening?

The GOP wants to block the constitutionally approved Affordable Care Act law (Obamacare). Even though is was passed, they feel the law has to be renegotiated, even though it's, you know, already a law and you can't really change a law after it has come into effect.

They are trying to do this by refusing to vote on how to extend the government’s budget past September. This means that if the budget is not extended there will be no more money to pay thousands of government employees until the budget malarkey is sorted out.

Do you think this shutdown is a wise political move?

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What is Obamacare?

Obamacare is a law passed in 2010. It was created to extend government paid health insurance to a larger portion of the population – and everyone is required to sign up for it. It was passed in response to the healthcare crisis the United States has been going through in the last five years.

Alain Sherter from CBSNews.com explains it well:

“The new law is geared to the millions of Americans who do not have access to health benefits through a job, cannot afford private insurance or who are ineligible for public coverage. The law requires all Americans to have health care on Jan. 1, 2014, or face a financial penalty. It doesn't apply to the vast majority of working adults, who already receive insurance through their employers, and people who are satisfied with their existing coverage may keep it. To qualify participants also must live in the U.S., have citizenship or legal residence and may not be currently incarcerated.” - Obamacare: What it can - and can't - do for you, Alain Sherter

This is the biggest federal health care benefits extension since Medicare and Medicaid. It will hopefully prevent insurance companies of raising their prices by more than 10% by forcing them to justify the price adjustment to the government. It will extend parental-bought healthcare to young adults – they will be covered by their parents’ healthcare until they are 26. And most importantly it forbids healthcare companies of denying services to people with pre-existing conditions.

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Why does the GOP oppose the law?

The GOP feels the law was unconstitutionally approved because at the time the majority of voting members in Congress were of the Democrat Party. So obviously the law passed despite the GOP’s protests to negotiate the terms of the bill. And the Republicans think this isn’t fair, so they argue that the law has no real legitimacy. They wanted the law, which comes into effect today (October 1st 2013), to be delayed so they could try to shut it down completely.

But the main reason Republicans disagree with Obamacare is that they see it as a step towards socialism because it extends health care to more of the population. They are against it because they see it as socialist political intervention in the health care marketplace.

So the Republicans are refusing to vote to extend the budget to protest against Obamacare, leaving 800,000 government employees without work – until the budget is extended of course. That’s 800,000 people who won’t receive their paychecks this month, who will struggle to feed their families. All of these workers got sent home because of the GOP’s fundamentally ideological stubbornness.

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Is this unheard of?

No, this is a known political strategy. But it hadn't been used for 17 years.

“Government shutdowns have been survived before. In the 1970s they were commonplace – at least, until a legal ruling that forced non-essential workers to stay at home rather than work for IOUs. The second of Bill Clinton's standoffs with Newt Gringrich lasted 21 days over New Year 1995-6.” - US shutdown: a guide for non-Americans, Graeme Wearden.

What are the consequences?

As I said before, 800,000 people are sat at home doing nothing while they could be working and producing for the United States. This also means the fragile American economy is being held ransom and there are fears that it could plunge into a recession – and even worse, it could affect the rest of the world.

“If a shutdown is not resolved within a week or so, the two issues are likely to be conflated into one giant standoff that threatens not just federal workers but the world economy.” - US shutdown: a guide for non-Americans, Graeme Wearden.

And of course it affects all government services like the National Institutes of Health. A Wall Street Journal reporter writes:

"At the National Institutes of Health, nearly three-quarters of the staff was furloughed. One result: director Francis Collins said about 200 patients who otherwise would be admitted to the NIH Clinical Center into clinical trials each week will be turned away. This includes about 30 children, most of them cancer patients, he said." - From The Atlantic's Jordan Weissmann's post here.


What does Obama say?

On Obamacare:

“You are 70% more likely to live another five years if you have insurance than if you don't. Think about just what it means to have health insurance... this is life-or-death stuff.”

On the Republican shutdown:

“For the first time in 17 years, the Republicans in Congress chose to shut down the federal government all because they didn't like one law. Republicans in the House... refused to fund the government unless we defunded or dismantled the ACA. They've shut down the government over an ideological crusade... in other words they've demanded a ransom just to do their job.”

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      SassySue1963 4 years ago

      Have you read the law Nicole?

      It is 99% fees & taxes. It does nothing to curb the actual cost of healthcare. It forces people to pay for services they will never need, raising their premiums by over 42%. Such as the 50 yr olds who now must cover the cost of birth control & maternity coverage. Young people's premiums have risen over 55%. Everyone who has hit the exchanges (aside from those qualifying for Medicaid) have seen a significant rise in premiums. We're not talking $20-$30 dollars but hundreds of dollars every month. A family of four in Illinois making $45,000, after any government assistance, must pay over $750 a month when previously they paid $325. There is nothing affordable about this law at all.

      Not to mention the exchanges do not even work. And if you qualify for Medicaid but your state did not expand the medicaid rolls, too bad, so sad, for you. You will not get any government help. Those who claim that the expansion is paid for are incorrect. It is partially funded (at a rate of about 10%) after the first year. Most states simply could not sustain it without massive tax hikes.

      This was a law that was shoved down the throats of an American public who opposed it (at the time it was passed) by a margin of 75 -25. That is why so many lost their jobs at mid-term elections.

      Personally, this isn't a tactic I would have chosen. Just let it play out and the American public will see what a massive failure it is. Which they already are.

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      Nicole Froio 4 years ago from Rio de Janeiro

      and i must say that Obamacare is a good law. i defend it because people are getting a lot out of it. http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4046470

      it has its problems but tbh i am still on obama's team, the gop is the big bully.

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      Nicole Froio 4 years ago from Rio de Janeiro

      Well, it's not mandatory for all US which is what my point was.

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      SassySue1963 4 years ago

      Nicole, please read your link again. What is says is that "it is not mandatory for ALL US citizens."

      It IS mandatory if you need a device such as a pacemaker in the future. From your link:

      "Please note: the bill does allow for data collection from medical devices. In other words a life support device could send information to a centralized database about you for medical purposes. This is great, in a medical sense. Of course if in the future you did decide to get a chip implanted in you, this part of the law would apply to that device. However this is a far cry from "being forced to get a chip implanted in you by 2017."

      As I stated, the issue is the very vague definition of what "information" the devices are allowed to collect, transfer and obtain. All left up to the discretion of one person.

      @FitnezzJim Here is the section of the law:

      "H.R. 3590 amends Section 519 of the Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C .360i). Here is the applicable language from H.R. 3590 (page 1,014):

      (g)(1)The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device that—

      (A) is or has been used in or on a patient; and

      (B) is—

      (i) a class III device; or

      (ii) a class II device that is implantable, life-supporting, or life-sustaining.

      (2) In developing the registry, the Secretary shall, in consultation with the Commissioner of Food and Drugs, the Administrator of the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, the head of the Office of the National Coordinator for Health Information Technology, and the Secretary of Veterans Affairs, determine the best methods for—

      (A) including in the registry, in a manner consistent with subsection (f), appropriate information to identify each device described in paragraph (1) by type, model, and serial number or other unique identifier;

      (B) validating methods for analyzing patient safety and outcomes data from multiple sources and for linking such data with the information included in the registry as described in subparagraph (A), including, to the extent feasible, use of—

      (i) data provided to the Secretary under other provisions of this chapter; and

      (ii) information from public and private sources identified under paragraph (3);

      (C) integrating the activities described in this subsection with—

      (i) activities under paragraph (3) of section 505(k) (relating to active postmarket risk identification);

      (ii) activities under paragraph (4) of section 505(k) (relating to advanced analysis of drug safety data); and

      (iii) other postmarket device surveillance activities of the Secretary authorized by this chapter; and…

      3(B) In this paragraph, the term ‘data’ refers to information respecting a device described in paragraph (1), including claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary."

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      FitnezzJim 4 years ago from Fredericksburg, Virginia

      What does the law itself say? You can find the text of most laws that have passed by searching the senate.gov website. They're huge and tedious and obfuscated by legalese, but finding 'implant' buried in the text should be as simple as another search.

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      Nicole Froio 4 years ago from Rio de Janeiro

      The link above says it's not mandatory ^^^^^

      That is interesting, thanks SassySue! Will read it later when I don't have an exploding migraine.

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      SassySue1963 4 years ago

      Hi again, Nicole.

      It absolutely IS mandatory if you need any type of medical device. Further, the problem most people have with this data collecting device is the vague wording of that section which reads : "and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary." A lot of power to abuse within the hands of ONE person not being checked or balanced by any other part of the government or the people.

      Speaking on our earlier conversation, just thought I would pass this information along as well.

      "The House is expected to spend next week passing more of these smaller spending bills. Bills that could come up in the coming days include proposals to fund intelligence activities, the Food and Drug Administration, border security, and education.

      So far, the Senate has ignored all of these, and has refused to even call up a vote on any of the GOP's "mini" spending proposals."

      I could not really find anything on switching the 2 bills after a discharge petition however, I did find this interesting read on why that wouldn't work.

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp...

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      Nicole Froio 4 years ago from Rio de Janeiro

      it's mentioned: http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-microchip-impl...

      But not mandatory like it seems many people think it is.

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      Sparkster Publishing 4 years ago from United Kingdom

      Is it true or not that implanting chips in humans is mentioned in the "Obamacare" legislation?

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      Nicole Froio 4 years ago from Rio de Janeiro

      FitnezzJim, thanks for your comment.

      Yes, I realize my mistake, I am sorry.

      But I do not think Obamacare should be scrapped - and even though the GOP keeps saying the word 'compromise' what they really want to do is destroy it.

      what a mess!

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      FitnezzJim 4 years ago from Fredericksburg, Virginia

      Interesting read, the article presents an intriguing point of view.

      Wikipedia has a fairly good page on the history of government shutdowns.

      Regarding the statement "you can't really change a law after it has come into effect": Yes you can. It happens all the time. It happens at the constitutional level. It happens at the congressional level. It happens at the state level. It happens at the local level.

      Most government classes teach about how laws are made, and about how they are changed.

      Government classes also teach that the House represents for the People, the Senate represents for the States, and that presidents administer a congressionally approved budget. So you may be right after all, since none of the above is true either.

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      Nicole Froio 4 years ago from Rio de Janeiro

      Let me know when you know :) Nice talking to you.

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      SassySue1963 4 years ago

      I'd have to look into that further (which I will) because I am pretty certain that they can't just flip the Bills like that. It would be the original Bill that would be voted upon and not the new Bill. Which means the Government would only be funded at current levels and no increased spending would pass.

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      Nicole Froio 4 years ago from Rio de Janeiro

      This is an interesting read, with regards to the future: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/house-democrats-pr...

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      Nicole Froio 4 years ago from Rio de Janeiro

      *to clarify, GOP's fault for starting it.

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      Nicole Froio 4 years ago from Rio de Janeiro

      I seeee. Well thanks for the clarification - I still think this is all the GOP's fault but it's nice to have more fact on it.

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      SassySue1963 4 years ago

      The plan is to fund the government through specific proposals. That way employees are back to work, veterans don't suffer, parks are open, however, only those 3 have been put forward because the Dems won't pass them and the President has said he'll veto them.

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      Nicole Froio 4 years ago from Rio de Janeiro

      I would say - in regards to this - that Obama and the democrats are attempting to take control in not passing the proposals. Also, why are they only trying to refund national parks, veterans and the District of Columbia government? what about the rest? Genuine question here. Govt shouldn't be picking and choosing.

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      SassySue1963 4 years ago

      Now because you have no answer for the facts presented to you about the shutdown you are getting hung up on dictatorships. Okay it isn't a dictatorship so perhaps someone can explain that to the President & Harry Reid so they stop acting like it is one.

      Here are some facts for your perusal:

      http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2013/oct/04/who...

      A few highlights from this article:

      "Article 1 of the Constitution grants the legislative power entirely to Congress. Under what constitutional principle has Obama unilaterally amended the law? Yet when the House of Representatives undertakes a constitutionally correct, i.e., legislative, procedure for suspending the other mandate — the individual mandate — this is portrayed as some extra-constitutional sabotage of the rule of law. Why is tying that amendment to a generalized spending bill an outrage, while unilateral amendment by the executive (with a Valerie Jarrett blog item for spin) is perfectly fine?"

      "The mainstream media have been fairly unanimous in blaming the government shutdown on the GOP. Accordingly, House Republicans presented three bills to restore funding to national parks, veterans and the District of Columbia government. Democrats voted down all three. (For procedural reasons, the measures required a two-thirds majority.)

      Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid won’t even consider these refunding measures. And the White House has promised a presidential veto.

      The reason is obvious: to prolong the pain and thus add to the political advantage gained from a shutdown blamed on the GOP. They are confident the media will do a “GOP makes little Johnny weep at the closed gates of Yellowstone, film at 11” despite Republicans having just offered legislation to open them."

      "Tactics are one thing, but substance is another. It’s the Democrats who have mocked the very notion of settled law. It’s the Democrats who voted down the reopening of substantial parts of the government. It’s the Democrats who gave life to a spontaneous, authentic, small-government opposition — aka the tea party — with their unilateral imposition of a transformational agenda during the brief interval when they held a monopoly of power."

      These are all the facts. Yes I know that the liberal mainstream news you read won't tell you those facts but they are easily verifiable beyond the biased news sources if you care to know the truth and not propaganda.

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      Nicole Froio 4 years ago from Rio de Janeiro

      Saying your country is in a dictatorship is diminishing all countries that actually suffer from a totalitarian government, quite frankly.

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      SassySue1963 4 years ago

      Nicole, let's try this again.

      President Obama has issued thousands upon thousands of exemptions to the Healthcare law (which btw, is unconstitutional because he does not have the power to change a law without going through Congress, but he has used agencies to bypass the Constitution). The GOP put forth one bill that defunded Obamacare and kept the government running. One that delayed Obamacare for one year but kept the government running and one that delayed ONLY THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE but kept the government running. In other words, Obamacare would be running but the penalty imposed on the people would be delayed one year because we've already delayed it for employers. The Senate leader rejected every single one. That is not compromise, that is not how Congress is set up to work. It is not all what the Senate wants and nothing the House wants. That is, basically, a dictatorship.

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      Nicole Froio 4 years ago from Rio de Janeiro

      Sorry, but you have no idea what a dictatorship is. Actually I'm not sorry. Just because you don't get what you want it doesn't mean you're in a dictatorship, it means you disagree. You have no idea what a dictatorship is. Maybe read up on countries who are under totalitarian governments.

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      JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

      Nicole Froio

      ''the fact democrats are majority in congress,''That's true they have had 2/3s control since 2007 just about the time that they started to destroy our government. The Constitution is under attack what you are witnessing is what a DICTATORSHIP looks like

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      Nicole Froio 4 years ago from Rio de Janeiro

      This is an interesting fact checker video. Though Obama has misled too, Cruz is the liar here: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/0...

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      Nicole Froio 4 years ago from Rio de Janeiro

      And something else if you think scrapping a whole law that bans healthcare restrictions to women and the disabled is a good thing and some kind of noble action by the GOP, and that wanting to scrap the whole thing is a compromise (let's face it, that's what the republicans want) you really need to learn the meaning of the words 'good' and 'compromise'.

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      Nicole Froio 4 years ago from Rio de Janeiro

      How is something started by republicans the fault of the democrats? get over the fact democrats are majority in congress, and get your head out of the sand.

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      Nicole Froio 4 years ago from Rio de Janeiro

      How is something started by republicans the fault of the democrats? get over the fact democrats are majority in congress, and get your head out of the sand.

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      SassySue1963 4 years ago

      Nicole, really, put down the kool-aid. The Dems haven't compromised on one single solitary thing. Sequester? Came from the WH because the Dems refused to include any real spending cuts in the budget. Then the President turned around and blamed it on congress. Now, oh let's just get it done they say. We'll compromise later. Only problem is their later never happens. Face it. Obama thinks he's emperor and Harry Reid thinks he's the puppet master. They want to dictate to the House how it's going to run. Period. The House has passed bill after bill after bill after bill but because it doesn't say exactly what Harry Reid wants, nope, Senate won't do it. But the GOP is bad because they won't accept the Senate's bill as is. The GOP wants to send over piecemeal bills. Not ideal I get that. But Harry Reid says the Senate will not pass them. Is that really caring for the veterans and others affected by the shutdown? Really? He'd deny those piecemeal bills that would help them just so he can be the bully. Get your head out of the sand.

      Do some research Nicole. It isn't lies, it's all true.

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      Nicole Froio 4 years ago from Rio de Janeiro

      Thank you HSchneider, I am glad to see that there are people who don't believe the lies and excuses the GOP tells the population.

      This in particular is very telling: "They want to withhold affordable healthcare to millions and de-fund huge amounts of social programs to service the poor and middle class."

      I doubt most people even realize that before Obamacare women were charged more for healthcare simply because of their gender and people with pre-existing conditions were turned away or charged exorbitant amounts simply to be treated.

      But for the GOP and its supporters what really matters is the fight against 'socialism'. Purely ideological and extremely childish if you ask me.

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      Howard Schneider 4 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey

      Excellent Hub, Nicole. The Republicans, especially the Far Right wing, are holding the country hostage until the Democrats acquiesce to their demands. They want to withhold affordable healthcare to millions and de-fund huge amounts of social programs to service the poor and middle class. This faction is owned and paid for by the Koch Brothers. The Kochs are ultra conservative billionaires who want more billions at the expense of the masses. The Democrats must stand firm against these evil and selfish people.

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      Nicole Froio 4 years ago from Rio de Janeiro

      Finally someone with some sense. Thank you for commenting, I agree with everything you said - more importantly the Boehner remark! Tee-hee, boner.

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      Bazza Obazza 4 years ago

      Both parties are entrenched in partisanship. The difference is that the democrats have been elected as a majority (in most things) and have democratically passed a historic piece of legislation that will save more lives than any of us could calculate.

      What scares me is how ready people are to believe a false narrative with little to no truth to it. It is manifestly evident that the GOP caused this shutdown. Their motives are anyone's guess, but it's simply a fact that Republicans chose to shut down the government, the Democrats did not. God knows why they would considering how much work there is to be done.

      None of us know what the rational behind the shutdown was. But I agree with the author that this is long and short term political misstep for the GOP. They nearly beat Obama in the presidentially run and messed that up (both times). And with this, it looks like there may well be enough resentment against them that they don't follow their usual trend of taking the presidency after a Democrat has had it once or twice.

      (Look it up - the Republicans have almost never let a Democrat serve after a Democrat in the presidency).

      This is important, because it means their party, which should be on the upswing, is losing more and more ground.

      Anyway Boehner sounds like boner. Let's focus on that.

      It's clearly more important.

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      Nicole Froio 4 years ago from Rio de Janeiro

      I love how you say Government 101. I never said Obama passed the law, my dear. I know exactly how it works.

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      Nicole Froio 4 years ago from Rio de Janeiro

      Here's some more sources for y'all:

      15 Obamacare myths: http://mediamatters.org/research/2013/10/01/15-myt...

      GOP's plan to use economy as hostage

      http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/27/politics/house-t...

      Rep Mark Meadows sent letter to Boehner planning just that (only signed by EIGHT congressmen): http://www.buffalonews.com/city-region/washington-...

      Public OPPOSES GOP's bid to defun Obamacare: http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform...

      And here is jon stewart highlighting the most important bits of that letter (namely the bit that says they will use shut down as a weapon) http://gawker.com/jon-stewart-calls-gop-self-right...

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      Nicole Froio 4 years ago from Rio de Janeiro

      I never said it would be a neutral explanation :)

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      Nicole Froio 4 years ago from Rio de Janeiro

      Negotiations to make law starts in Congress not in the Presidents office.http://quizlet.com/7222377/ap-gov-how-to-pass-a-bi

      ........ Yes, and the law started in Congress and passed. It's come into effect, did you know that? It starts in CONGRESS. That much I agree with. And it passes in congress.

      I just don't understand what your point is. Really, get over it.

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      Nicole Froio 4 years ago from Rio de Janeiro

      And regardless of whether Obamacare is good or bad, the government shutdown is the fault of the GOP. That's it. Do your research: Boehner was reluctant to make this move, and the guy who insisted on it has only been in Congress 8 months. Most RELIABLE critics have been saying this is bad for the GOP, and that it will make them less likely to be re-elected.

      And I find it funny that none of you mention the millions of people actually affected by the shutdown. Makes a lot of sense - we don't want Obamacare because it's costly for the population so let's shut down the government and not pay millions of people/ feed thousands of kids/ treat thousands of sick people.

      The 'big bad bully' will always be the GOP. Always. They prey on the poor, they're selfish and childish.

      And I also find it difficult to negotiate and COMPROMISE with republicans who are so opposed to Obamacare that he’s one of nine House Republicans who voted against the most recent House continuing resolution—which would have delayed Obamacare for a year—because the resolution didn’t do enough to destroy the health care law. (source: http://gawker.com/the-ten-republicans-who-shut-dow...

      Is this compromising? No. The big bully is the GOP.

      Love xxx

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      Nicole Froio 4 years ago from Rio de Janeiro

      PS: you're only hating on my article because you disagree with my liberal views. I recommend you read this about presidentialism: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/20...

      And I thought Obama was democratically elected? No?

      And the law was passed democratically? No?

      Hmmmm yeah.

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      Nicole Froio 4 years ago from Rio de Janeiro

      Thanks for all of your input, but I still massively disagree with all of you. :)

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      SassySue1963 4 years ago

      lmao@Nicole

      So our President & the Democrats declare it's "my way or no way" and somehow that is the fault of the GOP? Perhaps you should do some research into how exactly our government is intended to work, including but not limited to, how the Chambers of Congress are supposed to COMPROMISE on difficult issues. The GOP has already elected it's representatives for negotiations, Harry Reid refuses to do the same. This is the Democrats fault for thinking they can be the big bad bully of the block (this includes the President). Why did the President shorten his trip? Just so he could call everyone in a room and have witnesses for his big bad bully routine? The American people DO NOT WANT OBAMACARE. Over 50% want it changed or repealed. So who is it that is not serving the people who elected them?

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      Shawn McIntyre 4 years ago from Orlando, FL.

      There is so much wrong in this article it's really not even worth going through them all. It'd be easier to cover what you got right... and it appears that at least you spelled everything correctly.

      Calling this "Government Shutdown Explained" is misleading at best, if not flat out deceptive partisan hackery.

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      JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

      Nicole Froio

      Negotiations to make law starts in Congress not in the Presidents office.http://quizlet.com/7222377/ap-gov-how-to-pass-a-bi...

      Potus finalizes making legislation from Congress become law American Government 101

      https://hubpages.com/politics/American-Government-... ''The fault of this whole thing is the GOP's.''

      12/27/09 excellant

      GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE REFORM

      https://hubpages.com/politics/GOVERNMENTHEALTREFOR...

      2/27/10 HOW DID BARAK OBAMA CLOSE THE HEALTHCARE SUMMIT?

      https://hubpages.com/politics/BARAKOBAMAHEALTHCARE...

      GOP highlight their Healthcare reform plan rejected by Dems

      3/3/10

      Obama Health Reform Insurance

      https://hubpages.com/politics/ObamaHealthReformIns...

      President Obama did not disclose major objections to the existing Healthcare legislation

      The President/Dems say that the Repubicans have no plan A lie

      Obamacare is law CONGRESS CAN CHANGE LAW PRESIDENTS ENFORCE LAW tHE US IS NOT A DICTATORSHIP President's veto legislation that Congress sents to him Threatening Congress is not in the best interest of our country 10/01/13

      Obama owns this shutdown now

      http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/10/01/b...

      ''selfish, stubborn, and childish'' POTUS.

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      Nicole Froio 4 years ago from Rio de Janeiro

      Also your comments don't have any facts.

      And let me explain point by point why this is a completely irrational move:

      1) Presumably what is good for the population is that healthcare is extended so they can have a better way of life

      2) Obamacare is working towards that

      3) Obamacare is costly, but WAIT! You know what else is costly? Changing a whole law because a small group of republicans are unhappy

      4) 800,000 people aren't getting paid, children aren't getting fed and sick people aren't getting treated. Refer back to this: "At the National Institutes of Health, nearly three-quarters of the staff was furloughed. One result: director Francis Collins said about 200 patients who otherwise would be admitted to the NIH Clinical Center into clinical trials each week will be turned away. This includes about 30 children, most of them cancer patients, he said." - From The Atlantic's Jordan Weissmann.

      5) That mean worse quality of life for thousands of Americans, who the GOP should be protecting, not taunting.

      The fault of this whole thing is the GOP's. There's no way around it. It's selfish, stubborn, and childish.

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      Nicole Froio 4 years ago from Rio de Janeiro

      It can't be changed because it has been legislatively approved, gone through all constitutional processes. And you're obviously looking at the 'stubbornness' from the republicans' point of view - why on earth should Obama negotiate with them? Seriously, why should he negotiate with a small part of the GOP who is stomping their feet and keeping the economy hostage? That's completely irrational and quite frankly ridiculous.

      I agree that the fining clause of the law is very problematic. How can the federal government make you get health insurance if you can't afford it? Problematic for sure.

      It would be great if you could expand on this: "That's odd! Because that is exactly how liberals got special rights devoted to only them! Funny, ain't it?"

      And if you really think Obama did all this you are 100% mistaken, that's not how government works. It's really not. The law was approved constitutionally and you know that. Giving in to a SMALL group of the GOP by stopping a law AFTER IT HAS PASSED is the stupidest move I have ever heard.

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      JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

      Nicole Froio

      Check this link it may help to understand the reasons why 10/01/13

      ObamaCare Enriches Only The Health Insurance Giants and Their Shareholders

      http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertlenzner/2013/10/...

      Just Chicago politics '' TAKING CARE OF YOUR FRIENDS

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      Brenda Durham 4 years ago

      Okay. Just wanted to explain those things to you.

      Now I'm done.

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      Brenda Durham 4 years ago

      And you said this--------

      "All of these workers got sent home because of the GOP’s fundamentally ideological stubbornness."

      Um, no. It's because of Obama's stubbornness in hanging onto that Veto card he holds. HE is the one who has caused all this. He would rather force a huge costly Bill upon people (and steal the authority to FINE them!) than to have actually tweaked the healthcare laws we already had in place, which would've been much easier, less costly, and wouldn't have distracted from the very serious National Security issues this Nation faces.

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      Brenda Durham 4 years ago

      On the flip side, the good side, that's also how blacks got their rights!

      So your words are very confusing and misleading.

      Why do you think this law can't be changed? Perhaps because the "great" Obama is the one who made it? I'm constantly amazed at how people fall at his feet in all areas, for some unfathomable reason and without good reason at all.

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      Brenda Durham 4 years ago

      Ah, I've already heard all the hollow explanations, but I started reading your hub anyway.

      But...I stopped again when I read your claim that "you can't really change a law after it has come into effect"!

      Really?

      That's odd! Because that is exactly how liberals got special rights devoted to only them! Funny, ain't it?