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Guns Kill People

Updated on June 8, 2012
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I am not promoting a ban on guns, just a ban on the phrase, “Guns don’t kill people; people kill people.” By getting rid of that falsehood, we can move towards a logical discussion of what gun regulations are needed to protect people from gun wielding maniacs and impulsive murderers.

If there was no rifle in the book depository, Kennedy would not have died. Yes, you needed a person pulling the trigger. The gun and the person goes hand in barrel, and without the gun, you don’t have the killing.

It would have been harder in WWI to kill nearly 9 million combatants without guns. Yes, the guns didn’t shoot themselves, but without the new bolt action rifles and machine guns, fewer people would have died and it would have been harder to kill. Guns make killing easier and more efficient. Without the gun, the killing is reduced or not possible.

When was the last time you heard of a drive-by knifing? Without guns, the whole event seems ridiculous.

Why didn’t Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold bring knives into Columbine to stab up the place? Because knives wouldn’t have wreaked the kind of havoc they wanted.

Would people have guns for protection if there wasn’t a threat of harm or even death attached to the weapon?

If you believe the myth that guns don’t kill people, people do, then why does the NRA and like-minded groups block background checks at gun shows, and online, that would keep guns out of the hands of people with criminal records for violence or those with mental illnesses?

Let’s be honest; guns kill. The primary function of a gun is to shoot bullets; very rarely are they used as a club or hammer. And when shooting a bullet, we hope to protect ourselves, stop a criminal, hit a target, or kill an animal. To say guns don’t kill people is a dishonest linguistic trick.

There is a reason criminals, cops, the military and others own guns: they kill people (and for hunters, they kill animals). If guns didn’t kill, why would so many people bother to own them? Are people that much into target shooting?

Peace,
Tex Shelters

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      Ginger Ruffles 5 years ago

      You are welcome Joe. I appreciate you standing up for women & kids.

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      Joseph G Caldwell 5 years ago from southwest Pennsylvania

      Thanks Ginger and Tex.

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      texshelters 5 years ago from Mesa, Arizona

      Rahul:

      Can you tell us why? Do you also want Insane Serial Killer Rapists to have Guns?

      http://texshelters.wordpress.com/2011/01/10/regula...

      Or do you think some regulation is warranted and that Guns are a tool that kills?

      PTxS

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      texshelters 5 years ago from Mesa, Arizona

      Without guns, fewer people would die. If it is too confusing to believe that the statement "guns kill" doesn't mean I want to ban guns, that's on you. The gun's first crowd has trouble with the idea that gun regulation doesn't mean a ban because they are too emotionally attached to their substitute phallus. Sorry, it's true. Many people want to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and own a gun themselves.

      Or do you think Even Insane Serial Killer Rapists should Own Guns?

      http://texshelters.wordpress.com/2011/01/10/regula...

      PTxS

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      texshelters 5 years ago from Mesa, Arizona

      What the hell? Believing in guns first have nothing to do with belief of disbelief in the Constitution. Stating the facts about guns killing people, 1) has nothing to do with banning your precious guns, and 2) has nothing to with what I believe about the constitution. I expect better from you than making a false broad generalization about guns and the rest of the Constitution. That comment is idiotic.

      PTxS

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      Jessee R 5 years ago from Gurgaon, India

      In agreement with curiad over here

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      Ginger Ruffles 5 years ago

      Curiad, It seems like in your hub on anger you did much like you did above here where you have advice for others that you yourself don't follow.

      The judge in Marissa Alexander's case stated why Stand Your Ground did not apply and yet you chose to ignore his reasoning and to presume to know what he was really thinking; that it had something to do with the meaning of attack instead. Is it possible you were so busy trying to skewer me in anger that it clouded your judgement? You might want to take the plank out of your own eye first.

      As well as presuming to know what the judge was thinking you also presumed to know that Tex and I were both angry when we wrote our hubs. Does this mean we can look forward to a hub on mind reading from you next?

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      Ginger Ruffles 5 years ago

      And you sir seem to have a problem looking at any facts that do not support your position. If they don't support your positions than they aren't facts. How very convenient for you. If they support your postion well by golly they are indeed!

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      Mark G Weller 5 years ago from Lake Charles, LA.

      I wrote an article about ethics and anger in writing after reading the misinformed article you wrote about the Marissa Alexander Case. You seem to be carrying that anger here with no facts or purpose. This is all I have to say about it. Thank you Tex for an interesting round of comments!

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      Ginger Ruffles 5 years ago

      And by the way does dismissing Joe's source as irrelevant change the facts that women & children are getting killed in homes that have guns? No it doesn't. Don't the facts stand for themselves as you said?

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      Ginger Ruffles 5 years ago

      Curiad you are the one that stated Joe's statistics were irrelevant...talk about nonsensical statements. Did YOU back that up? No you didn't.

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      Mark G Weller 5 years ago from Lake Charles, LA.

      You see, I am simply disagreeing with the original statement here "I am not promoting a ban on guns, just a ban on the phrase, “Guns don’t kill people; people kill people.” By getting rid of that falsehood, we can move towards a logical ...."

      Guns do nothing of themselves and further, they are a tool like any other to be used for a purpose by people. Yes it is people that kill, not the tool. People can and will commit crimes with whatever tool is available weather it is in the home or on the street.

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      Mark G Weller 5 years ago from Lake Charles, LA.

      Ginger, you seem to be mixing two different arguments. You obviously have the right to your opinion, But I have yet to hear anything from you that has anything to do with the original Statements. All you have provided is angry nonsensical statements with no facts as some of us have. You can choose to think Cato or any source is irrelevant but the facts stand for themselves :)

      Tex, we all are happy if any kind of violence goes down. Just because some choose to own guns, believe in the Constitution and take personal responsibility for themselves doe's not mean they are supporting violence. Just the opposite, the people that feel that way are the ones you will never hear from unless they are threatened. The ones you hear about, the stats you see about crimes are just that, crimes and committed by criminals. Lawful gun owners are not those same people.

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      texshelters 5 years ago from Mesa, Arizona

      C: So, there evidence that permits reduce gun violence. Yea!

      Didn't exactly answer the question, but the point is, there is evidence that permitting works.

      I don't think there has been any study on the long term effects of waiting periods, and it will needs to be done. I don't know if there are any studies on whether a waiting period has prevented any impulse kills, but in general, gun deaths have been going down. I am happy the trend is going the right way.

      And still, guns kill and we need to prevent some people from owning them.

      Thanks.

      PTxS

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      Ginger Ruffles 5 years ago

      First you tell us that women & children getting murdered is irrelevant to this arguement now you want to push something from the Cato Institute that actually is irrelevant nonsense on us...oh the irony!

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      Mark G Weller 5 years ago from Lake Charles, LA.

      You asked where the evidence is, Google Crime Rates in states where Gus are allowed to be carried. The Cato Institute is but one:

      http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/gun-co...

      http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/493636....

      http://www.datamasher.org/mash-ups/crime-vs-gun-ow...

      Should I continue?

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      texshelters 5 years ago from Mesa, Arizona

      Looks like you used stats there AR.

      Are we in Mexico? Nope. And thanks for agreeing that guns kill.

      PTxS

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      texshelters 5 years ago from Mesa, Arizona

      Why is it irrelevant if they die from guns in the home?

      PTxS

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      texshelters 5 years ago from Mesa, Arizona

      There are some links that show evidence for this too.

      PTxS

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      texshelters 5 years ago from Mesa, Arizona

      Evidence please!

      Thanks Joe.

      PTxS

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      texshelters 5 years ago from Mesa, Arizona

      So Curiad: where is the evidence? No proof, then why believe it? Places with more guns have more gun related deaths.

      http://www.gun-control-network.org/GF01.htm

      PTxS

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      texshelters 5 years ago from Mesa, Arizona

      Yes, guns have one purpose. To shoot things and people. So let's be safe with their use.

      PTxS

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      texshelters 5 years ago from Mesa, Arizona

      States with more guns have more murders. Yes, that's safety.

      http://www.gun-control-network.org/GF01.htm

      You missed the point. You own a gun. Fine. They still kill. Without that gun, there's no trigger, and not killing.

      PTxS

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      American Romance 5 years ago from America

      Joseph, we do not need stats, we need truth, How many thousands are being killed in Juarez this year? Mexico has strict antigun laws? Nothing but a river seperates them from Elpaso.........one of the lowest crime rates in America...........things that make you say hhmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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      Ginger Ruffles 5 years ago

      Women & children getting murdered in their own home is irrelevant to this argument?!@#$

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      cathylynn99 5 years ago from northeastern US

      if you own a gun, you are more likely to die from gun violence than if you don't own a gun. not much protection if you ask me.

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      Joseph G Caldwell 5 years ago from southwest Pennsylvania

      Gun lovers will naturally cite "statistics" to bolster their case and make ridiculous analogies with letter openers and baseball bats in support of their psychological overcompensation for some real or imagined inadequacy and ignore the FACTS on how many wives and children you gunlovers kill. What's the euphemism you have for this when you lose your temper and kill a loved one? Friendly fire?

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      Mark G Weller 5 years ago from Lake Charles, LA.

      I have to agree with American Romance on this one, Crim has been PROVEN to be reduced in those locations where firearms are allowed to be carried. Joseph, the "Statistics" you shared are irrelevant to this argument. They are based on medical stats and not information dealing with firearm ownership, crime levels, or demographics.

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      Joseph G Caldwell 5 years ago from southwest Pennsylvania

      Guns, not baseball bats, not letter openers, not gas cans, are specifically designed to inflict lethal injury to other people. Guns more often kill spouses and children than burglars or criminals.

      Studies show that having a gun in the home poses a household a greater health risk than a potential benefit.

      "Most children, older adults, and women are murdered at home. A gun in the home is a particularly strong risk factor for female homicide victimization."

      "Even though suicide attempts with guns are infrequent, more Americans kill themselves with guns than with all other methods combined,

      "There is compelling evidence that a gun in the home is a risk factor for intimidation and for killing women in their homes, and it appears that a gun in the home may more likely be used to threaten intimates than to protect against intruders," wrote Hemenway. "On the potential benefit side, there is no good evidence of a deterrent effect of firearms or that a gun in the home reduces the likelihood or severity of injury during an altercation or break-in."

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/11042...

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      American Romance 5 years ago from America

      I own guns for protection, I own guns to keep my government at bay, I own guns to keep other countries from invading, I own guns because guns are what afforded us the freedoms we have today. Do you own a baseball bat? If so why? Do you own it to play baseball or bash in someones head? Do you own a gas gan? Is it for gas or to burn down someones home while they are sleeping? Do you own a letter opener? Is it for opening letters or stabbing someone to death? If everyone carried guns the crime rate would fall by 90% in the morning. People kill people, guns don't shoot unless you pull the trigger.