How Dangerous Is the Russian Meddling as Suggested by a Forum?
The Russian Dossier a report of fiction and used to trick the FISA court into giving warrants to invade the privacy of American Citizens.
How dangerous is what Russian Meddling in the 2016 election? Where is the proof of any meddling, and how then could it be dangerous?
The Russian Dossier was created at the cost of $9 million dollars paid for by Hillary Rodham Clinton to try an find something that she could use to win the election. We didn't need to look to Russia for election influence in our country, we only had to go as far as the Democrats, the DNC and Hillary Rodham Clinton. They however found a better use for this made up Russian Dossier by using it to get a FISA warrant to monitor Trump and his team. This was the second attempt at getting a FISA warrant, but this time the Dossier made the difference. It is believed that the FBI also paid to get this Dossier.
The Dossier has long been proven to be bogus and a work of creative fiction. They CIA couldn't legally spy on Trump an American Citizen in America. The F in FISA means Foreign. So how did the CIA get around that. Well the British have an equivalent to the CIA, and while British implies they are in Britain, they also have a place in the CIA building in Maryland. While neither the CIA or its British equivalent can spy on their own country, there is no law that says they can't spy on each others country and then share the information. And that is what they did.
The meeting that we hear about with the Russians in the Trump Tower was actually set up by the CIA. This along with the Dossier gave them a warrant that would allow them to Spy on Trump and his team. This means that the Robert Mueller investigation that was built on that bogus Dossier needs to end.
The result of this article as related to the question posed in the discussion
In the next capsule
I go over the discussion threads and comment on the comments. The end result is that not only is the question of "How Dangerous is the Russian Meddling" but there is now explanation of what is the Danger?
In addition, there is no explanation of how this alleged Danger has any magnitude of to rate the danger. How do you answer how Dangerous, when there is no danger enumerated. To try and comment on the assertion there is a danger without any facts to comment against is an effort in futility. The question then becomes fiction.
Remember the additional information and the web citing the article that details, well talks about the Niki Haley "Purported" faux conversation with Russians.
Judge for yourself and if you have any valid contributions to the articles please comment. Facts are always welcome.
How dangerous is Russia's meddling?
This is a question in the forum discussions, and as suggested by hubpages, it stimulated me to write this hub.
As part of this topic the author adds additional information. That additional information is not a fact, as the summary of the information used the word, ”Allegedly”. The web citing that the author used had the word, “Purported” instead of “Allegedly”. Both of these words indicate an unsubstantiated non verifiable assertion. Additionally, my search for the original Nikey
Haley conversation that was purported to have occurred resulted in only finding the purported conversation.
- So one of the questions is where is the real original conversation to be found?
- How did the author of the web citing get this conversation?
- The forum discussion starts the process by answering the question without even verifying its authenticity, much like the main stream media dispenses its “Alleged News” reports.
- Is the author of the discussion biased against president Donald Trump and anyone in his control?
- Was there any fact checking to make the “purported” assertion?
Then the discussion starts with someone’s thought or opinion that has no facts or foundation. More like another biased person agreeing with the author.
- The person thinks Russian Meddling in US elections is dangerous.
This brings in an assertion that has no facts, foundation or verification. This thought is asserted as if it was a fact. But it is devoid of not only facts, but any information to confuse it as a fact.
- This person then follows it with a comment on the Niki Haley faux conversation that isn’t even verified. Saying it was funny, and a tiny bit disturbing.
What is really disturbing and not funny at all is the misuse of treating opinions, and unverified information as facts. And then running to conclusions that are built on rubbish.
The Next person adds more opinions as follows
- Absolutely Dangerous
- We see the damage it causes already.
These are opinions, and as asserted one can see the bias against president Trump.
That person continues with more opinions sans facts.
- The person attacks Trump supporters for dismissing the danger.
- Saying we interfere in other countries, so we have no rights to complain.
- Then the person claims that it is out of scope for the post.
- Another attack on Trump supporters.
- Calling their actions mere rationalization in order to excuse any Russian involvement to get Trump elected because that was their responsibility in order to get him elected.
There were no details even asserting what these “dangers” are so they are dismissed for lack of any foundation.
The fact is that the US does interfere with many countries and they have been doing it for a very long time. So it is valid to make that comment. It is relevant to the post when the US tries to interfere with Russian elections.
That doesn’t make it a rationalization of getting Trump elected or the fact that he got elected. There are many reasons why Trump won the presidency. And even Hillary Clinton blamed FBI Director James Comey for losing her the election.
Another person then comments.
That person basically says that any country meddling in other countries is what nations do for power and influence. If we don’t like other countries doing it, then we need to demand that our country stops doing it.
The first person continues
- Once again saying the Russian meddling is dangerous to us?
My comment then are the following unanswered questions.
What is the Russian Meddling”
When did it happen”
How did it work?
Where is the proof?
And there is a follow up list of many questions to understand the details of any Russian plan which too date there is no evidence, or even an opinion about their method and execution.
- The person continues with we should mitigate against it.
- The claim is made basically as in what parents say to their children. “Do as I say and not as I do”.
This again is simply avoiding the comment and reasserting the baseless biased assertion.
Another person then asks What is this so called DANGER?
"If we're going to raise an outcry over the tremendous danger and immorality of Russians (or anyone else) trying to influence people's minds in our elections then we need to shut down our own efforts in their elections. To fail to do so is hypocrisy at its worst."
I agree with you it's hypocritical, but we do a lot of interfering in and dictating to oter countries in many areas. For example, we've supplied arms to militant groups in other countries. If Russia supplied arms to militant groups here in the U.S. should we throw up our arms and say, oh well, we do it, too?
The first person then responds with a remark trying to make this person above foolish for even broaching the comment.
At this point the next comment just went emotional without providing any facts, or foundation,
The forum ends with
What would be the point of rehashing the subject?
The point of this article is to demonstrate how the left, and especially the left on hubpages make statements that have little to no basis, little to no facts, and appear to be their emotional opinions and wishes.
Hubpages support these emotional and unAmerican whining from them. This is neither objective or professional.
It is one thing to hold liberal views and make comments on conservatives and even the president of the United States, but it is not OK to make them without having any factual or even any objective basis.
These liberals spend their time calling their wishes and their absurd baseless accusations the truth. Nothing could be further from the truth. It is clear from their comments and their articles such as in this forum that they have no facts to support their views.
I would hope that they would submit compelling factual arguments to prove me wrong here, or anywhere on hub pages.