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Killing of Trayvon Martin: If it is not racism, what is it?

Updated on June 9, 2016

Undisputed Facts

George Zimmerman followed Trayvon Martin and was upset that the a**holes always get away. Trayvon Martin went to the store for snacks and was returning home, talking on the cell phone. George Zimmerman saw Trayvon running got out of his car, against the advice of NEN. Within minutes Travyon Martin was dead.

The end result of a deadly encounter

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According to George Zimmerman

On February 26, 2012, George Zimmerman looked at a youth, unknown to him, and decided that something was not right. He called police non-emergency number (NEN) and reported a hooded person in his late teens who was walking around looking in houses. He prefaced his suspicion with the comment that there had been many break-ins in his neighborhood. When asked specifics about race, George said the hooded person looked black. George Zimmerman followed the hooded youth by car and then on foot. NEN told Zimmerman that “We don’t need you to do that.” , and made a similar comment right before the deadly encounter somewhere between the “T” and 40 feet from the “T.” In less than four minutes, the hooded, black youth was dead.

Rachel Jeantel testified. She was not believed.

According to Rachel Jeantel, and supported by cell phone records, she was on the phone with Travyvon Martin, with several disruptions, from the time he noticed a stranger following him until the cell phone went dead. The last thing she remembers hearing Trayvon say was, “Get off me! Get off me!” Trayvon had gone walked to 7-11 to buy an Arizona drink and Skittles for his son-to-be stepbrother.

Why didn't the jury believe Rachel Jeantel?

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Shortly before Trayvon was killed he was videoed at 7-11

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Did you believe Rachel Jeantel?

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If not race, what is the answer

Parents have told black boys to "not" run from the police because it makes them look guilty. George Zimmerman said Trayvon was moving too slowly. What speed can a black youth walk that will not incur suspicion? If race was not a factor, that is wonderful. The fact remains that this boy's life was ended before it started. Can his death be explained without saying he was a thug, who used drugs, wore gold on his teeth in the past, or videoed fights?

Juror B37 and other jurors

Juror 37, less than 46 hours after the “not guilty” verdict, announced that she and her lawyer husband were writing a book about the case and deliberations. She said Rachel Jeantel was not believable and she couldn’t understand most of what she was saying. B37 said “They” talk like that. Within 12 hours, Juror B37 decided to “not” write the book. Within almost the same period, four jurors distanced themselves from B37’s comments and said she spoke for herself. The Hispanic (?) juror from Chicago was not included among the four jurors and has yet to make a statement.

Quotes from B37's interview with Anderson Cooper

See what Juror B37 said in the postverdict interview:

  • On Zimmerman's actions: "He was justified in shooting Trayvon Martin."
  • On feeling confident in the verdict: "I'm 101 percent that he was — that he should have done what he did, except for the things he did before."
  • On Zimmerman's intentions: "I think George Zimmerman is a man whose heart was in the right place, but just got displaced by the vandalism in the neighborhoods and wanting to catch these people so badly that he went above and beyond what he really should have done."
  • On Zimmerman being armed: "I think he has every right to carry a gun."
  • On her view of the incident: "I think the roles changed. I think George got in a little bit too deep, which he shouldn't have been there. But Trayvon [Martin] decided that he wasn't going to let him scare him, and I think Trayvon got mad and attacked him."
  • On whether she finds Zimmerman guilty: "I think he's guilty of not using good judgment."
  • On feeling emotional about the case: "I feel sorry for both of them. I feel sorry for Trayvon and the situation he was in, and I feel sorry for George for the situation he got himself in."
  • On witness Rachel Jeantel: "[I think she] felt inadequate toward everyone because of her education and her communication skills. I just felt sadness for her."
  • On if she'd like Zimmerman to be her neighborhood watch: "If he didn't go too far . . . He just didn't stop at the limitations he should have stopped at."

Why did this happen?

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Post-trial

George Zimmerman followed Trayvon Martin and was upset that the a**holes always get away. Trayvon Martin went to the store for snacks and was returning home, talking on the cell phone. George Zimmerman saw Trayvon running, got out of his car, against the advice of NEN. Within minutes Travyon Martin was dead.

  1. Why did Trayvon look suspicious?
  2. Does it make sense that Trayvon, obviously aware of George watching and following him, would continue to look for houses to rob?
  3. How much loot could Trayvon carry on foot?
  4. Why didn’t George just stay in the car?
  5. Why is the country divided seemingly by political affiliation?
    1. Political affiliation is based on ideology
    2. Why are people seemingly divided along liberal/conservative lines

I believe there are conservatives that believe Trayvon was murdered. Social Media has made it possible for people with racist views to dominant the discussion and flood all forms of media with subtle to blatant narrative that is racist.

It felt good to see white protestors march along with black protestors. They did not hold signs showing party affiliation or political views. I believe many of them are Republicans, Christians, conservatives, and plain old ordinary people who feel Trayvon was murdered for no good reason.

Unsupervised Sequestration Headline 7/21/13

Was B37 a stealth juror

“Though 4 other Zimmerman jurors issued a statement distanced themselves from the insensitive and problematic statements made during the interview, Florida’s WFTV has discovered that jurors spent hours of alone time with family that could have impacted the verdict.”

http://newsone.com/2638174/zimmerman-jurors-jury-tampering/

Frank Taafe went n the media circuit bragging that the vote was 5-1 in favor of not guilty. They just needed t convince the “hold out” juror that manslaughter did not apply. This was a great opportunity for B37 and her lawyer husband to plan to write a book.

Juror B29 has lawyered up and will speak to Robin Roberts

@RobinRoberts : Just interviewed juror from Zimmerman trial. No shadows to hide her identity. New insight about verdict. Tonight @ABCWorldNews & tmrw @GMA. 3 min

Direct quotes from Maddy, Juror B29

“You can’t put the man in jail even though in our hearts we felt he was guilty."

“It’s hard for me to sleep, it’s hard for me to eat because I feel I was forcefully included in Trayvon Martin’s death. And as I carry him on my back, I’m hurting as much Trayvon’s Martin’s mother because there’s no way that any mother should feel that pain.”

Juror B29 speaks

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Racists are alive and commenting

lmao WeCanWinThisFight7 days ago

Im racist and I'm proud. GZ is a hero, Travyon got what he deserved. Those Marxists will get what they deserve soon enough.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/22/george-zimmerman-grabs-fire-extinguisher-pulls-family-from-overturned-suv/



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      Superkev 3 years ago

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      Mitch Alan 3 years ago from South Jersey

      What FACTS are there to conclude that this was racial in any way? If this was a case of racism, then would you conclude that the black on white shootings, which are twice as prevalent as white on black shootings are racist as well? What of the black on black shootings which are multiple times the white on black or black on white shootings? This was not racially based at all, but merely a case of aggression and protection...what else, based on facts, could it be?

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      Superkev 3 years ago

      In point of fact, as the video I posted clearly points out, there is a preponderance of evidence to show that GZ was absolutely NOT in any way racist.

      I think all this protesting is going to backfire on the black community and they are going to be forced to take a hard look at a very large part of their culture that is the real problem.

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      Kevin W 3 years ago from Texas

      @Superkev....."part of the black culture is the real problem"?? That statement in itself sounds racists. Its not culture, its the environment that your in. That's like me saying your a serial killer or rapist, because predominantly that's a white crime (your obviously not black). I do not think this was based on racism, and agree with you, Mitch, etc. I can see it from both GZ and the kids perspective. The justice system is seen by human eyes, and until all those human eyes, see things the same, there will always be this type of "reaction" to different cases. It will happen again next week.

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      Superkev 3 years ago

      Yes, the part, and notice I say part, of the black culture/society that glorifies the gangster/rap/hip hop etc. lifestyle.

      The part that calls any black person who educates themselves and tries to move up in life and society as 'sell outs' and 'uncle toms'.

      The part that is not happy unless they are in a state of perpetual victimhood.

      Who is it that promotes, encourages and nurtures this environment??

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      Kevin W 3 years ago from Texas

      I understand what your saying, and agree with some of it, but its not "part of black culture", its certain environments. I grew up on North side of Chicago, however my father was constantly on me about what I was into. If you go to those same neighborhoods, there are white and Hispanic kids, throwing up gang signs, sagging pants, living the "gangster" lifestyle, etc. So to answer your question, as to who promotes it, Who ever these wanna-be thugs respect or deem as cool. In Florida, its not against the law to marry your cousin, would that make it a fair assessment to say, 'Part" of the white culture is the problem of incest/inbreeding? It doesn't matter whether your white, black or whatever, its your environment, and who is around you that influences you, when your not mature enough to make choices on your own.

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 3 years ago from Fontana

      I'm approving everyone's comments right now because I am trying to see if this case will be discussed.

      1. Black on black violence is a horrible reality that needs attention. I plan to discuss that in another Hub.

      2. Thug?

      Trayvon's mother is college educated and has been a county employee for more than 20 years.

      Trayvon's brother is a senior in college.

      Trayvon's father, divorced from his mother, is articulate. I don't know what his educational background is.

      Trayvon smoked weed. Many high school students smoke weed. Should they be killed?

      The 2012 survey found 6.5 percent of high school seniors smoke marijuana daily, up from 5.1 percent five years ago. Almost 23 percent smoke marijuana regularly. Among 10th-graders, 3.5 percent smoke marijuana daily, the survey found. Marijuana use escalates dramatically after eighth grade, when 1.1 percent of the students report daily use.

      But even most eighth-graders don’t see the harm of occasional use, the survey found.

      http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121219/NEWS...

      I want to continue to approve all comments. If there is no balance or respect, I won't approve posts.

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 3 years ago from Fontana

      Superkey, what do you think of Zimmerman's calls on black males - 1 7-year old. http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2012/03/23/georg...

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 3 years ago from Fontana

      Do you know what percentage of the population this represents? Unfortunately, many young people, of all races, glorify gangster/rap/hip hop etc. lifestyle. As a music teacher, this drives me insane.

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 3 years ago from Fontana

      Hi Mitch, I don't understand what looked suspicious about Trayvon. If he looked like he didn't belong, why not say, "Hi I'm George. May I help you find an address. I'm the neighborhood watch commander."

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      Superkev 3 years ago

      The video I posted covers everything I would possibly say on the matter and is sourced and documented. Therefore I am not going to type it all out when it is there in an easy to view format.

      What Trayvon's relatives have or have not accomplished has zero bearing on what he does. I don't see how you get there from here. I know plenty of bad actors that came from what appeared to be perfectly normal and functional families. Non sequitur at best.

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 3 years ago from Fontana

      I'm sorry. I've looked at the video so many times. I will look again. The point about Trayvon's parents is the environment he was raised in.

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      Superkev 3 years ago

      Which again would have no definite bearing on whether he embraced the thug culture. Peer pressure is an insidious thing.

      There is ample proof of his criminal/thug-like behavior from multiple sources.

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 3 years ago from Fontana

      I started to look at the video because I thought it was a replay of George Zimmerman explaining what happened. When I saw it was a production by Bill Whittle, I looked him up. He is telling from his non-eyewitness perspective. If Trayvon were a thug, surely someone that knew him pre-murder would have said something.

      As A teacher I see kids go through a lot of weird stages: goth, stretched ears, pierced tongues, tatted up, different colored hair, etc. They want to do metal, hard rock, god-awful rap, underground garbage and even their made up stuff. At 13 I tried to dye my hair white and it turned out green. Young people experiment. That does not make them thugs.

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      Superkev 3 years ago

      TM was caught with a burglary tool and wedding rings and watches in his pack back at school. This was swept under the rug and listed as "found property" so as to keep the local PD from getting involved and keep the numbers of black kids in the school district charged with crimes artificially low. That is just one example.

      If you won't watch the video in it's entirety then I suspect you don't want a factual and sourced report to interfere with your already made up conclusions as to the real Trayvon Martin. In that closed mindedness I cannot help you.

      "Never argue with someone who will not agree that 2+2=4. You will never win the argument because the facts do not matter" -Abraham Lincioln

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 3 years ago from Fontana

      we are discussing apples and oranges.

      apples - Burglary tool and wedding rings

      1. If my wedding rings were stolen, I would claim them. First I heard of watches being added.

      2. Burglary tool - screw driver If you were carrying a screw driver, I'm sure you would have a good reason right. I have several sets of screwdrivers. I take one to school to work on keyboards, computers, etc.

      orange -

      On February 26 Trayvon was walking to the home where he was a guest, talking on the phone, and carrying snacks. Itsn't it overkill to kill someone because they might have stolen wedding rings a couple of months before. Charles Bronson did a series of movies on vigilanteism.

      This should be a discussion about rather racism was involved. So you don't think there was racism. Do you think there was prejudice of any kind? What makes the burglary tool, watches, and rings important on February 26 since neither person knew the other?

      I won't watch the video because I have seen enough trashing the victim. I think we have pretty much worn this out. We can agree to disagree.

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      Ro 3 years ago from Midwest

      Diane, I am a fellow teacher and for once, have been turned around on a topic. I have worked for law enforcement for many years and taught for many years. I really, honestly thought this was case of an overly aggressive kid vs. a wannabe cop. Now? I do believe this was a wanna be cop but a racist cop at that. I honestly don't care if Trayvon was a 'thug' was acting aggressive, had THC in his system-I don't care. He was a child. And who really knows if that teen didn't act like all teens that were being judged by an adult? I was as Irish white as you could get, as a teen, but I could be very aggressive if I was confronted by an adult that was in my face. I hope some day, I probably won't be alive, that people realize we are all in this together. If you are a God fearing individual, how can you put one race over another? I thank you for your insight as well as your patience toward animosity and it's extreme. This was not an easily read hub because I thought everything had softened toward racism- all racism. But I guess, that is wishful thinking, for if it weren't race it would be religion, sex, income, etc.

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 3 years ago from Fontana

      Irish Shrew, thank you for your comments and your perspective. If we are going to change things, we have got to agree to communicate. Please post more!

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 3 years ago from Fontana

      Irish Shrew, thank you for your comments and your perspective. If we are going to change things, we have got to agree to communicate. Please post more!

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      Superkev 3 years ago

      I notice you didn't approve my last comment. I guess you only want to hear what you want to hear huh? Good luck.

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      Martin Kloess 3 years ago from San Francisco

      Thank you for this. I think the biggest atrocity is Florida's legal system. If you remember there is where this whole thing started. By getting us to focus on the race issue, we are letting a bigger issue go.

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 3 years ago from Fontana

      Thank you for your response Mhatter99. I'm adding a paragraph about the sheriff supervising sequestration.

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      Mitch Alan 3 years ago from South Jersey

      Diane, when you addressed my comment, you didn't answer a single point I made. What FACTS are there that this was racial. Not conjecture, but actual admissible facts.

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 3 years ago from Fontana

      Mitch I don't see the comment that I sent yesterday. Maybe I denied my own.

      A true discussion cannot be accomplished if we jump around with "what abouts." 2 wrongs don't make 1 right.

      Zimmerman's initial call that night and all of the other calls he made about black people. One call was on a 7 year old black kid. The last defense witness talked about a black person breaking into her house.

      Black on black crime is awful and I will address that in anther Hub. As a teacher and an aunt, I address issues which lead to black on black crime. Some students have said I'm racist against my own people. I think change starts with the truth, regardless of color.

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 3 years ago from Fontana

      I didn't approve your comment because I want other perspectives. I've seen your comments and many like them n multiple websites.

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      Eric Dierker 3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      I read an interview with Ms. Rachael. There was no doubt left in my mind that Trayvon turned on a creepy ass cracka whom he perceived as a gay predator. And it would appear that Ms. Rachael fed that fire. She was telephonically with him until he stopped talking to begin a whoop ass on George.

      Hey that is what Ms. Rachael said on CNN. Do not blame me or whites, that is what she said. I think she is very credible. Maybe not to most creepy ass crackas but to this one she is.

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 3 years ago from Fontana

      Hi Eric, Reply still doesn't work. It's amazing - I watched the interview with Anderson Cooper and didn't hear the same thing you heard. When I first heard the "cracka" statement it sounded offensive; however on Frederick Leatherman Blog and other sources it was explained that cracka in Florida means a native of Florida. People born in California like to distinguish themselves from the immigrants. When I started teaching school as a second career, I could not believe the way students talked to their friends. All students (black, white, yellow, brown) refer to each other as "n*gga" or "my n*gga." It is against school policy to use the word but there is no way to stop them. I hear many Rachel Jeantel's on a daily basis. I explain to them that the way they speak to each other will not be acceptable outside of their setting. Many of my black students say I am hard on them. Eventually they understand.

      Eric, do you say in the presence of Our God that I blame you or whites? I had no idea that you would read this. I am intelligent enough to not speak in terms of what "all white" or "all black" people do. You've read my articles.

      I'd like to discuss this, without indicting a group of people, based on reports from legitimate news sources and the trial. I got up at 6 every morning and watched until the trial was over. During this time I blogged with many people of all races.

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      Eric Dierker 3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Diane you shine like a brilliant moon over troubled waters. Thank you so much for taking the time to write on this. It is so cool that you care so much and help us discuss it.

      I tell you truth: If that guy George did what he did due to race --- I have not a care in the world for he will suffer greatly. If that guy Trayvon did what he did due to race or anti gay thoughts his death was too easy.

      But I do know you and you are good. And I know this, the horrible event has you and I talking it through and perhaps others will learn from us. And just maybe by doing this, somebody sheds a tear and leads just a bit better life.

      Last I checked you are Black and beautiful. I am white and pretty ugly. But in my mind I am holding your hand and you are comforting me in my ugliness. You probably do not even see my color but you have sympathy for my ugly.

      My pappy had a good buddy, his name was Harry. He was really fun.

      You might like this song, my pappy played the horn on one recording:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQGMvqU4XxY Dat be me third in.

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 3 years ago from Fontana

      Eric, until I heard "Shut yo mouth" I didn't recognize the song. I love it.

      I plan to discuss this with my multiethnic class. Over the years I have attempted to get them to understand how they might be perceived and the need t make adjustments based on the environment they are in. I had to outlaw bluetooths on field trips. First of all it defeats the purpose of the trip. Also it keeps them from positive interactions with others.

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      peachy 3 years ago from Home Sweet Home

      interesting. So what's the reason to the killing?

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 3 years ago from Fontana

      Thank you for reading and your question!

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      Mitch Alan 3 years ago from South Jersey

      So, you believe that Rachel Jeantel was using the term "cracka" or "cracker" to denote that Zimmerman was a "crazy ass Florida citizen with ties to Floridian history as a cattle herder" and not as a pejorative for white people? How does the context that she used it in point to that?

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      Bruce Feierabend 3 years ago from Pickerington, OH

      A well written summary that contains only a little speculation that most articles and comments on this subject are usually ripe with. We likely will never really know what truly happened or what the motivation was and in that sense the verdict is probably the right one despite the jurors' motives. It's better that our justice err in favor of innocence than guilt. From what you've stated Rachel Jeantel's testimony raises significant suspicion but doesn't prove anything. It would have been up to forensics to corroborate her testimony and I don't think there was significant evidence for that. I'm not saying race wasn't a factor but there's nothing here to suggest that it has to be race. There's a lot of other things that could have motivated this tragedy. Stupidity, ego, lack of self worth. Would this have happened if Trayvon was white, espanic, or asian? You and particularly many AA's may think not, which is understandable, but you haven't given a reason why. If it is race then what can we do? We can't legislate people's thinking but we can fight for a just system that is neutral. That treats all people as equal. Yet that system will never be perfect and we should also fight for it to err toward innocence.

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 3 years ago from Fontana

      Thank you for comments Bruce. I think the beginning of change starts with heartfelt dialog, rather we agree or not. Communication, hearing and being heard, gives us all information to synthesize.

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      Bruce Feierabend 3 years ago from Pickerington, OH

      Absolutely! People focus on disagreement far too much as a dividing line. "Well, I'm on this side so you must be one of those bad people on the other side." Which is too my point that what divides us is far more then the color of our skin. Racism is more like a symptom because it's just a manifestation of a deeper problem. I mean the less we focus on the symptom and the more we focus on the root will things change. Of course that means coming to terms with what is inside ourselves.

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 3 years ago from Fontana

      Thanks Bruce. It is so encouraging to read your comments.

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      James E Cressler 3 years ago from Orlando, Florida

      I live in Orlando, just south of Sanford and we local residents know some things about both Trayvon and George that wasn't allowed in the trial. Both sides made a deal to not mention each others dirty past laundry. I mention this only so say that both men aren't as clean as their supporters would state. All the media pictures of a 74 inch tall, 180 lb. Trayvon as a cute 12 year old boy border on propaganda.

      I bristle at the inflated comments that this was a racial black-white killing. This was a Spanish speaking Latino killing an African American and then hiding behind Florida's generous self-defense laws to beat the charges, which was poorly prosecuted in an over played courtroom.

      George is guilty of manslaughter because he turned the corner and walked after Trayvon with a loaded gun in his belt. George wasn't on the job - not a cop or soldier or security guard. He is responsible for what happened regardless of the beating he took.

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      i scribble 3 years ago

      Good article. I believed Rachel Jeantel's testimony. Though she was not articulate or socially gracious, she came across as truthful and authentic, as many sympathetic news commentators stated. She did not want to get involved or be a witness, which is understandable. Neither did the middle-aged white lady who heard the fight from her apartment and called police. I do wonder if she could be sure it was Trayvon yelling "Get off" before the call dropped. Some of these things we can never know for sure, it seems.

      I heard on TV that Trayvon had 2 tattoos with religious themes/tributes to his mom/grandma, something like that. Do you know about that? Doesn't sound very thug-like, does it? I only heard that once though I've seen and read a lot about the case.

      I was saddened by the not guilty verdict. I feel there was criminally reckless behavior. A drunk driver wouldn't go free for causing a fatal accident, in spite of no malicious intent. It seems to me the jury needed more options of lesser charges. And stand your ground laws just confuse things. Seems like both Trayvon and George Z. saw themselves as standing their ground.

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 3 years ago from Fontana

      I scribble, tears started streaming as I read your comments. Thank you!

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      i scribble 3 years ago

      You're welcome! These are my honest opinions.

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      Mitch Alan 3 years ago from South Jersey

      i scribble, Stand Your Ground was not even part of the defense...this is where the media pollutes the issues. Also, how does the type or even existence of tattoos play a part. There are plenty of gang members, hells angels, skin heads and others who have "religious" type tattoos and even "Mom" tattoos, but they are still thugs.

      What specific evidence, that was presented in the case to the jury, would make you feel he should have been found guilty. Not media stuff, but actual evidence.

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 3 years ago from Fontana

      Mitch I was responded to the comments that Trayvon WAS a thug. Evidence given was tattoos and hoodie. Don't you know people who have tattoos who are not thugs? I wouldn't be surprised if 50% of the students at my school had tattoos. I know there are teachers that have tattoos. Point is - tattoos mean nothing.

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      Mitch Alan 3 years ago from South Jersey

      Dianetrotter, i scribble made the point that they were "religious" and therefor not "thug" like. My point was, that it didn't matter if they were "religious" or "I Love Mom" tattoos, as even the thug types I mentioned before will often have those types of tattoos. Tattoos do not make some one a thug, nor do "religious" tattoos exempt one from being a thug.

      Was that evidence given in the court, as admissible by the judge, or just items bandied about by the media?

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 3 years ago from Fontana

      Mitch I participate on Frederick Leatherman's blog. We were going bananas because certain things they should have questions and didn't. We expected Mary Cutcher to testify and she was nowhere around. We expected them to address the MMA thingy which Zimmerman knew the mechanics of. I don't know if you can just pick it up on the street. The gym guy was on Dr. Drew and said Zimmerman called him the next day thanking him for teaching him "shrimping" because it saved his life. Zimmerman never used "shrimping" (which requires skill and practice) with detectives. He said he "shimmied." Anyway, we have to come together as a nation otherwise we will implode.

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