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Marines had to Pee: Accidents Happen

Updated on January 17, 2012


Over the past few days, there has been a huge buzz about a video that came out on the internet, a video of four United States’ Marine Corp members urinating on dead bodies. Unless you have been hiding under a rock, you have surely heard of this incident. This incident has brought many mixed reactions from not only US citizens, but also from people all around the world. Before I say any more about this, I wanted to let you read what Allen West said about it. For those of you who do not know who Allen West is, he is a representative from Florida and a former Army lieutenant colonel.


“I have sat back and assessed the incident with the video of our Marines urinating on Taliban corpses. I do not recall any self-righteous indignation when our Delta snipers Shugart and Gordon had their bodies dragged through Mogadishu. Neither do I recall media outrage and condemnation of our Blackwater security contractors being killed, their bodies burned, and hung from a bridge in Fallujah. All these over-emotional pundits and armchair quarterbacks need to chill. Does anyone remember the two Soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division who were beheaded and gutted in Iraq? The Marines were wrong. Give them a maximum punishment under field grade level Article 15 (non-judicial punishment), place a General Officer level letter of reprimand in their personnel file, and have them in full dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally apologize to God, Country, and Corps videotaped and conclude by singing the full US Marine Corps Hymn without a teleprompter. As for everyone else, unless you have been shot at by the Taliban, shut your mouth, war is hell.”


I use this quote because I don’t think anyone could put it more appropriately. I have never been to war, and I never want to be. Because I have never personally experienced war, I cannot pass any judgment on the Marines. I have no clue what they have been through fighting the Taliban. It is ridiculous for any of us who have never fought in a war to sit comfortably here in the United States and pass judgment on them. I will personally admit that I probably don’t have the courage they do to go over and fight. I wouldn’t want to. If you haven’t volunteered yourself to go over and fight, then you are ignorant to ridicule them.


Now, I am not trying to condone their actions. I am not saying that what they did was right. I’m not encouraging other soldiers to urinate or mutilate the dead bodies of Taliban members. It just bothers me that we see our soldiers being tortured or their dead bodies being grotesquely treated without much reaction. However, when our soldiers are the ones who commit the action, we treat them like garbage. I realize that Americans like to hold ourselves to higher standards, but sometimes things happen during war. This isn’t happening with every unit fighting in the Middle East. This was an isolated incident, but it’s bound to happen.


People from past wars like to claim that they never saw anything like this take place during Vietnam or WWII. I find that impossible to believe. As long as war has been going on so has foul play. Also, these Marines made a mistake. Can any of us honestly say we have led a perfect life? They are under a tremendous amount of stress. Whatever job you have is more than likely a joke in comparison to the life they are living. Was it stupid for them to do and film it? Yes, but Allen West is right. Let the military go through whatever punishment they need to. This isn’t some criminal offense. We need to sit back and shut up. The military will handle all of this appropriately without our input.


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      Longhunter 5 years ago

      I agree with Allen West as well as the words you've written here. Great hub, Joelipoo.

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      Joelipoo 5 years ago from Ohio

      @Longhunter - Thanks. I don't think anyone could state it better than Allen.

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      Longhunter 5 years ago

      I would like to see him run for president myself. Perhaps later. He would make an excellent VP choice in this race.

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      Joelipoo 5 years ago from Ohio

      @Longhunter - I agree entirely. I would love to see him run for President at some point.

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      Josak 5 years ago from variable

      When we mutilate corpses we make animals of ourselves, I have been to war and I have seen it done and it disgusted me then as it disgusts me now, the enemy should be treated with respect, no matter how evil they may be, in world war 2 dead Nazis were buried properly and with respect and our current enemy is certainly no worse. Mutilation is one of the signs of psychopathy and other serious issues and no one that pisses on dead corpses should be suffered to hold a gun we buy with our tax dollars or indeed any gun at all they are obviously seriously unstable, dishonorable releases for all of them and some mandatory treatment. Besides the fact they filmed it proves they are too dumb to be allowed to serve anyway.

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      Joelipoo 5 years ago from Ohio

      @Josak - Thank you for your service and input. I don't agree with the actions either, but I don't feel that I have the authority to condem them since I have never served. I value your opinion, though, since you have.

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      Yes Dear 5 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      I thought the same thing. All I could think of was that Taliban soldier shooting that poor woman in the head.

      No tears lost here....sometimes wrong is right.

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      Joelipoo 5 years ago from Ohio

      @love - Thanks for the comment. I'm not sure that sometimes a wrong is right.

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      Longhunter 5 years ago

      Did the Earth shift on it's axis? Has Hell frozen over? Did pigs take flight?

      I may go into cardiac arrest! LMC and I agree on something!

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      American Romance 5 years ago from America

      I'm with Allen West! I certainly do not condone this juvenile behaviour..............but so what under the circumstance! I would write more but I gotta pee!

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      Yes Dear 5 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      I agree with West on NDAA too. I think the only real Integrity left is with those who see war and it's consequences.

      And those who live a real life, not a pampered one....SORRY.

      That's what happens when you assume you know people LH, and don't bother to consider that they may be different than you assume.

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      Longhunter 5 years ago

      I've only been going by the evidence presented, LMC. This type of evidence I've not seen. I must admit it's good to see it, for what it's worth.

      "And those who live a real life, not a pampered one....SORRY."

      I hope you weren't directing that comment to me as I've lived anything but a pampered life. I get the impression you haven't either. Something else we have in common.

      Scary, ain't it?

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      Yes Dear 5 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      No--I mean these pampered, inherited wealth types, who then come along and tell me to "pull myself up by the bootstraps".

      They have no idea of the road-blocks that poverty creates. They just don't. And they act like everybody has it easy like them.

      It's lack of empathy. And common sense!

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      Yes Dear 5 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Here's a comment I just came across, speaking of the military:

      "You would be surprised at how I look at the world. The 24 years in the military removed my blinders, but not nearly as much as the time I spent in the Pentagon. When I was recovering they switched my duty to the command staff for a well known (but for now shall remain unnamed) general. When I was in DC ( District of Criminals), my eyes were opened wide. So much so that I begged and pleaded for a transfer back to combat duty."

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      Longhunter 5 years ago

      Who made that remark, LMC? Or can you say, if it's someone you know personally?

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      Joelipoo 5 years ago from Ohio

      @American Romance - Thanks for the comment.

      @Long and @Love - I won't interrupt you two. It's clear you are old friends

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      Longhunter 5 years ago

      Joelipoo, "friends" is perhaps stretching the term a bit but we're working on it. Thanks for the opportunity on your hub.

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      Joelipoo 5 years ago from Ohio

      @Long - I was a peer mediator in middle school and helped classmates work out their disputes, so I'm always willing to provide the opportunity for you two.

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      Longhunter 5 years ago

      Joelipoo, some of mine and LMC's exchanges may very well appear to be between a couple of middle schoolers so don't go anywhere. Thanks.

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Allen West said it beautifully!

      I will always side with our men and women who serve over some dead taliban.

      They made a mistake, and I would love to know who took the video and turned them in.

      They should be punished as well.

      Chris

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      Joelipoo 5 years ago from Ohio

      @CMerritt - I am really wondering about the video too. If it's another Marine, I would assume that breaks some Marine code to rat each other out. It's cowardly to post this video anonymously.

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      Robbswater 5 years ago

      They would do the same to our Soldiers and worse. Our Soldiers in the UK get treated like dirt by our Government yet the scum who come to our Country, who hate us get treated like Royalty. All because of the Human Rights act, which most people disagree with.

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      Josak 5 years ago from variable

      Oh yes I totally disagree with the human rights act and human rights too lets treat people badly becuase they are different! exellent idea my friend!

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      The Suburban Poet 5 years ago from Austin, Texas

      I don't like to second-guess our soldiers but this "war on terror" is as much for the our own credibility as a country as it is to defeat the extremists. I feel that the hearts and minds of the citizens of Afghanistan,Pakistan, Iraq etc are at risk if we don't conduct ourselves in the manner of a civilized nation. We have loudly proclaimed ourselves over the years to be the beacon for freedom and tolerance and justice in the world. This type of incident feeds into the propaganda war that is being waged... it doesn't help...

      It's the same with the Geneva Convention. Even if our enemies behave as the proverbial "unlawful combatants" we should still apply convention rules to our behavior because that is the sign that we are a civilized nation. It's bad enough to have collateral damage because that is what happens when you declare war. Innocent people die and they don't care the reasons why at that point. To add insult to this injury is terrible.

      At the same time, I've never been in a war. I've never had my friends killed. I've never dealth with the daily stress year after year. I understand what can happen to somone's mind when they are in this situation. I understand how hate can well up inside you. It's a tough deal all the way around.

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      The Suburban Poet 5 years ago from Austin, Texas

      And as a coda if anyone asked me how I would respond if I was their commanding officer I would just say to them, "Don't do it again. It doesn't help" and leave it at that...

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      Joelipoo 5 years ago from Ohio

      Suburban - Thanks for the comments. I like how simply you put it. "Don't do it again."

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      The Suburban Poet 5 years ago from Austin, Texas

      Hey Joele... yeah. I'm sure the officer was pissed that he had to deal with it... war is hell. I agree... unfortunately we have to carry a light touch that our enemy does not. It makes it very difficult obviously. I'm not trying to judge. My comments are intended to sketch out the goal or the vision of how we do things. Clearly there will be hiccups....

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      Joelipoo 5 years ago from Ohio

      @Suburban - I'm pretty sure we agree on this. I said I don't condone the actions, but I just think it's ridiculous the way people are acting like this is the most egregious act that has ever taken place. The event doesn't help our fight on "terror" and for "human rights," but mistakes like this happen during war. People need to get over it and move on with life.

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      The Suburban Poet 5 years ago from Austin, Texas

      I know... That's the problem sometimes with forums. You can't see the look on my face or the tone of my voice. I was just expressing my opinion knowing that it's easy to say where I sit.... People are looking for things to yell about.... at the same time I noticed today that a young lady who works at some cosmetics counter in New York has gone viral with her make-up tips on YouTube. She's had millions of hits and is now possibly going to make it big... jeeessshhhh.....

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      Robbswater 5 years ago

      A Terrorist does not have a code of Honour, they do not believe in the Geneva Convention, they are willing to die for their faith. The UK is full of them, they call themselves British but all they are, are holders of British Passports. We the English, the Scots, the Welsh and the Northern Irish hate them, but we cannot say it out loud as we get branded Racist and not just could lose our jobs but will lose our jobs. They get given houses, free medical treatment, free money and anything else they can lay their hands on. Whilst our Soldiers get treated like dirt and treated like a second class citizen in their own Country. These scum that come in can by Law burn Poppies at War Memorials spit on Troops marching in our streets and NOTHING happens. The brave throw sausages and bacon rashers at these Britsh Passport Holders and get arrested. But the Police will do nothing to stop them burning poppies. They preach their hate towards us openly on the streets, nothing is done.They laugh at us and we cannot say anything. The Olympics are coming soon and I wonder what they are planning. The Government goes on about keeping them out of the Country, but they are already here. Im afraid I will not be around for the Civil war what is brewing in the UK but if I was I would fight back to back for my Country and my Queen.

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      Joelipoo 5 years ago from Ohio

      @Robb - you are right that terrorists have no code of honor and that makes wars like this harder. Your passion for your country is evident in your comment.

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