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No AR-15s, No Show

Updated on June 19, 2013

Catering To A Few

After a week of protests and vendor pullouts, likely under the orders of the National Rifle Association and the gun manufacturers that it represents, the annual Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show was indefinitely postponed.

To those who accept the NRA's rhetoric, this is an example of the groups power. A show, designed for hunters, etc, that decided that exhibits of assault weapons, high-capacity magazines, etc would not be allowed. To them, this was an attack on the 2nd Amendment.

But look at this from the perspective of someone who does not see the world through a sight. We had a show that for those who enjoy the outdoors; with exhibits of fishing, archery, taxidermy, and expeditions. The group that organized the show, perhaps out of respect for the victims of Newtown, Connecticut, wished to exclude exhibits from manufacturers of weapons that seem to be designed for no purpose other than for an insurgency. Who needs a 30 round magazine to hunt a deer. or to protect their home?

And what of those who enjoy the outdoors in other ways? Those who come to the show to check out the latest fishing rods, reels and lures, or try the newest bow and arrow, or take to the water in canoes and kayaks?

Perhaps the solution is to have two events. One for firearms, complete with the anti-government rhetoric that is becoming the stock and trade of the NRA, etc, and another for those who prefer to fish, use a bow and arrow, or even hunt with a camera.

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    • OldWitchcraft profile image

      OldWitchcraft 4 years ago from The Atmosphere

      Wayne Wilkins,

      You are one sick puppy. They let you work with rape survivors? Really? If they did, that's pretty sad. People like you and Ted Bundy (who once operated a call-line for survivors because he got off on hearing about their pain and suffering) should not be allowed around vulnerable women. It's clear to me what you are.

      I am not a "them," Wayne. I'm not something other. I'm a human being and a woman who has had a very, very common experience in this country - a country where rape is epidemic... rape is the norm. My experience is the rule and not the exception... however, when the perpetrators are law enforcement offers, it takes on another dimension... it's the very reason why the populace should be armed.

      And, why is this happening, Wayne? Because there are so many sick people... sick sadists like you, who enjoy other people's pain... who get off on it...

      You are bitter and hateful. I don't know what you think your mother did to you, but you shouldn't take it out on innocent people who have done nothing to you... look at the attack you made on me above, completely unprovoked. Does that sound like mental stability to you? Clearly, you need professional help, Wayne, and I hope you get it soon before you hurt more people. Is this how you worked with "them," Wayne - those rape survivors you supposedly counseled? Did you talk to "them" like you just talked to me?

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      OldWitchcraft 4 years ago from The Atmosphere

      Again, nobody but criminals want to disarm people... I think it's obvious what kind of people you are - all three of you.

      You enjoy other people's pain... you want harm to come to other people because you derive some sick satisfaction from this.

      And, this is when people need to be armed, to protect themselves from people like you...

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      I would say an infringement is anything that steps into my private life and tells me what to do, in a matter that affects no one but myself.

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      TeaPartyCrasher 4 years ago from Camp Hill, PA

      But what IS an infrigment? That is a question that has not been answered--IMO.

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      OldWitchcraft 4 years ago from The Atmosphere

      TeaPartyCrasher,

      I'm sure it will come as a great surprise to you to learn that not all people who respect the Bill of Rights are members of the NRA or are allied to it. I disagree with many of the things the NRA has advocated recently - lots of people do. The point of my original comment to you was just that - the NRA is not the end all and be all you seem to think it is in your article, above. Not everybody fits into a neat little pigeon hole for your intellectual convenience.

      No infringement means no infringement... it's very simple.

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      TeaPartyCrasher 4 years ago from Camp Hill, PA

      Actually, the question is what constitutes an "Infringment". Or needs to be.

      But Old, keep shooting yourself in the foot, seems to be something tne NRA and it's allies are doing good at,

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      OldWitchcraft 4 years ago from The Atmosphere

      Wayne Wilkins,

      The 2nd Amendment is written in plain English. It doesn't take Congress to interpret it. Those criminals in Congress are not the final authority - the people are.

      People are upset about many injustices. Many people feel the attacks on the 2nd Amendment are the last straw.

      I know of no that court that has stated any such things as what you put in your comment - maybe you could show some references... If they did state such things, they are a criminal court. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed - this is the law.

      This makes no sense:

      "And, Oldwitchcraft your the loser! If you put any gun before people's lives your a real loser. What did people do before the invention of the gun?"

      One thing they did before they had guns was rape. They, also, used their fists. If you are a small woman, you have little defense against large men, except with a gun.

      No gentleman would disarm a lady. You are certainly no gentleman. People who think that violent crime is a joke, who don't take the concerns of survivors seriously, have rotten, black souls. The gun is what I rely on to protect my life and the lives of other innocent people against criminals - including those who would disarm us so they can have their way with us... again, people like you.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Maybe it's not spelled right TPC......let's see W E L L...easy enough. R E G U L A T E D.

      .....I'm not seeing the problem.......

      ehhhhhhh. We DO see the problem don't we?

      One Billion Rising? Try 6,999,999,998.

      That ole 2%.......may have to stick something where the sun don't shine.

      The barrell of a gun, perhaps?

      We shall see. Happy V Day, crasher!

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      OldWitchcraft 4 years ago from The Atmosphere

      TeaPartyCrasher,

      You have a sick sense of humor, if you think this is funny.

      You and others like you are fighting a losing battle against goodness, right and decency. You *will* lose.

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      TeaPartyCrasher 4 years ago from Camp Hill, PA

      LMC:

      Looks like you "Crashed" an insurrectionist ;)

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      TeaPartyCrasher 4 years ago from Camp Hill, PA

      That is a question a lot more Americans are asking!

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      OldWitchcraft 4 years ago from The Atmosphere

      You are a psychotic sadist and a control freak who enjoys causing pain to others. You can stuff your god and your religion.

      This conversation is over.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Yes you will...and today is the day!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl2AO-7Vlzk&fea...

      *****

      and, what part of well-regulated are you not understanding?

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      OldWitchcraft 4 years ago from The Atmosphere

      See, this is why you need to learn to read... The 2nd Amendment says nothing about regulating guns. Quite to the contrary, it says that the right of the people to keep and bear them "shall not be infringed," in other words it is NOT to be regulated.

      If I join your weird cult, will I automatically become as loving and tolerant as you are?

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Well, that takes the cake!

      You don't care about my religion....and I'm a liar.

      .....I'm also a citizen of the USA. Those rights apply to me every bit as much as you and yours.

      Perhaps you should learn to read.

      "Keep your guns", but they must be well-regulated.

      I do not want them around me or mine.

      Your rights do not supercede any one else's!

      plain and simple.....and no personal attack. See how a religious person does it?

      ....I could give you the number of my church if you like?

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      OldWitchcraft 4 years ago from The Atmosphere

      I don't care about your god or your religion... I don't care how many times you *claim* you were raped... like this is some kind of victimhood contest. I've heard it all before from people like you. I know you're a liar and so do you.

      And, you should really learn to read...

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      I've been raped 4 times. Twice by my ex husband.

      I don't like rapists,but how Godly of you to say so.

      The control freaks are on your side.

      Controling my private life, while sticking your guns in my face.

      Guns are against my religion. NO JOKE.

      You are infringing on my religious freedom.

      You can have your guns---but you must follow the Constitution that your side always brags about loving.

      WEll-Regulated Militia. Very simple, and not hard to understand.

      Just twisted by the NRA and idiots like Nugent.

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      OldWitchcraft 4 years ago from The Atmosphere

      Have you spent time in Mexico?

      I've actually had a gun in my face and one at my back - I was beaten and raped by a cop. I survived two such police-involved attacks in a period of 15 years, with some very bad health complications after the second attack.

      You know who likes gun control? - control freaks and RAPISTS... people like you.

      There is no law that can be written that takes away my right to self-defense, although people like you keep trying. You like having lots of crime victims, lots of rape, lots of dead women and children so you can dance on all our graves and talk about how loving you are and how much better you are than us because you *don't believe in gun violence*. You talk about love, but you're all about hate.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Here's my religion. My temple is this life.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detail...

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Oh boy...typical response...heard it since 2001!!!!--You don't like MY America, leave.

      Well, guess what? It's my America too.

      My America says a well-regulated militia, not a 100 magazine in a bar free-for-all.

      Maybe you should move to a place where weapons are not regulated?That way, you can carry a bazooka if you like.

      But--as guns are against my religion, you have no right to infringe on me.

      You have guns...keep em to yourself.

      plain and simple, isn't it?

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      OldWitchcraft 4 years ago from The Atmosphere

      "Only criminals resist regulation."

      You mean like refusing to acknowledge the 2nd Amendment?

      You are very wrong. All armed citizens are members of the militia. "...the right of the people, to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." All people have a right to arm themselves as they see fit - or not, if you choose - but, you do NOT get to choose for me. You taking my rights and my choices is force and criminality.

      I have a right to be safe and secure in my person, too, whether you think so or not... Men are armed all the time - that thing you carry between your legs becomes a weapon in a flash. When you get rid of those, maybe we'll talk more about victim disarmament.

      If you don't like the laws in this U.S., maybe try Mexico where the citizens are disarmed - see how many guns you get "in your face" there just trying to drive down the highway in peace. I doubt seriously if any gun owner in the U.S. has put a gun in your face or you wouldn't talk the way you do.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Only criminals resist regulation.

      The 1st line is well-regulated.

      That's the one people like to pretend doesn't mean anything.

      1. well-regulated....self-explanitory...especially the well part.

      2. militia. Not every tom, dick and harry running around the supermart with a loaded rifle, throwing their weight around.

      3. my right to be safe and secure in my person. That means--if I don't want to be around guns, you can't force me. Force.....that is always the issue with gun-types. Force: to make me do what you say, and to tolerate your weapons--even when I don't believe in them.

      You are invading my space.

      Back off. Keep your guns out of my face!

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      OldWitchcraft 4 years ago from The Atmosphere

      The 2nd Amendment is much bigger than the NRA or the right wing or the Tea Party, etc. and whatever else they're telling you at HuffPost or CNN. It is a vital component of the Bill of Rights and the basic human rights of all people.

      Only criminals want gun control aka. victim disarmament.

      Go ahead and call me a Christian, right wing religious nut - I dare ya!

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Literature distributed at NRA Convention calls for "a combo Civil/Re-Revolutionary War" http://thkpr.gs/Yo5P6x

      *****

      Yup, you are right about the insurrection.

      They all belong in Gitmo, not sitting at the sotu.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      @bobcesca_go

      Bush's drone attacks had a civilian casualty rate of 32%. Obama's drone civilian casualty rate is 6%. Same? http://counterterrorism.newamerica.net/drones/obse...

      ***********

      I never heard ONE WORD about drones during Bushco. Nor complaints when they were trying to implement Unitary Executive Theory. Not a peep from those who now want to impeach Obama. That's why they are full of sh*t, and always will be.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      "As President Barack Obama prepares to announce his plans to fight gun violence, Representative Steve Stockman (R-TX) is warning that he will move to impeach the president if Obama issues executive orders that regulate guns. Stockman’s concern may be one of self-interest, however; due to his checkered past and criminal record, stricter gun laws could impact Stockman’s own ability to purchase a firearm."

      *******

      You don't say?

      To Gitmo--you crook!

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      "Ted Nugent says he won't bring a gun to the State of the Union, despite having threatened the President's life before"

      How sweet of him. Maybe he should get a medal?

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      ‏@JesseLaGreca

      Armed Pro-Gun Protestes Occupy Oregon State Capital via @thinkprogress imagine the sh*t storm if they were liberals http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/02/11/156770...

      ********

      We know what happens to Occupy: they get maced, and beaten with clubs.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Just got our power back on, out since friday at 1 am.

      Thank you FEMA, MEMA, town gvt, state gvt, police, fire, emergency crews, Nstar, Comcast, tree company's, and all the electric co's from other states who sent trucks and equipment here to help!

      Gvt and business working together, to HELP people!

      THIS is America.

      If it was up to Teabaglicans, only those who paid cash would have power and tv/internet back....Even though we all pay for these service every single day.

      And Obama wants to send internet out to rural areas, and the Baglicans are resisting that.

      On Tuesday, I will watch the POTUS do the SOTU, then turn the tv off. I have no desire to see what the insane asylum has to say......

      Lock them all up in Gitmo as far as I'm concerned. We would all be better off.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      TheNewDeal:

      "4 Gun Deaths in Benghazi & GOP are Holding Hearings, Calling for Impeachment. 20 Dead Children in Newtown & They Do Nothing."

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      I've seen enough of the right-wing mentality to last a life-time. It runs rampant here. Hate. Self-righteousness. Intolerance. And the laughing at people. Laughing at their ability to shut you down: cause they can, and do. Acting like Obama and anyone who supports him is a baffoon---and a big-butt non citizen baffoon.

      Acting like killing with guns is somehow sacrosanct, instead of cold-blooded murder.Which they have the right to....but don't you dare touch a fetus......in your own body!

      Laughing at Obama, making fun of his wife....acting like RW's own the whole country because they are so favored, I geuss.

      They must think they are better than the rest---I know they demanded fealty to Bushbo, or you were blasted. I know they blame Obama for all the bs Bush did, and laid in his lap.

      And I know they think they have a devine right to kill should the need arise....but apprently no one else does.

      Not a woman, not Obama, not anyone but them.

      If its civil war they want: they will get it.

      I will never adhere to their warped and twisted mentality. There is no middle ground when you are dealing with them: they want all or nothing: Agree that Obama is a bum, and they'll talk to you. Otherwise, stfu. And if you don't---they will take away your ability to speak.

      ....and perhaps even live. They have those guns for a reason.

      they keep screaming about the gubmint....I'm more afraid of them.

      and of course, when Republicans in charge...the gubmint's just fine.

      Fight for America is what this is. I am on the side against them. Because they have not now, nor ever been for me.

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      Mark 4 years ago

      Wayne, what's on Ouzi?

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      TeaPartyCrasher 4 years ago from Camp Hill, PA

      Anyone notice how many of the 'Insurgents' can't see to understand the needs of society to be safe may overcome THEIR desire to want to arm themselves for an insurrection?

      That may bear exploring as it may say a lot about the right-wing mentality. . .

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      The guy getting acolades for his knowledge, and a board member of the NRA:

      pic.twitter.com/iNG4it4P

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      Jack Burton 4 years ago from The Midwest

      Thank you, Wayne. Because you're the "face of gun control" here on hubpages you are singlehandedly doing more to bring people to our side of pro-freedom than any post I could possibly make.

      Again, thank you

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      TeaPartyCrasher 4 years ago from Camp Hill, PA

      LMC:

      Is it any wonder the Coalition To Stop Gun Violence calls many gun advocates "Insurrectionists". . .

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      AFA's Buster Wilson wonders if Obama is readying the military to fire on gun-owners & conservatives http://bit.ly/XtkHQ2

      Meanwhile: Real time....gunners leave comments such as these:

      "I don’t give a f**k if you get shot, you gutless fascist c*nt. You cannot have my weapons."

      some of them are so revved up--I don't have a doubt they will shoot Obama supporters.

      And it's far from the truth, what they are saying.

      It's deliberate man-slaughter, just like "Tiller the baby-killer", and all of Beck and Palin's rhetoric. And they get away with it.

      "We seek chaos".....Aleister Crowley AND Rush Limbaugh used that.

      and I don't care who thinks I'm crazy, or "hating" for saying so.

      Look at what is right in front of you.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Yeah, it's almost laughable.

      All these people suddenly finding impeachable offenses, suddenly concerned with the deficit, suddenly thinking it "patriotic" to insult and defame the president.

      Meh....that's why they have 0 credibilty, and the NRA gets away with murder. Literally.

      It's all politics, nothing more.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      "That's ridiculous. Most members of the NRA hated Clinton, and hate Obama."

      couldn't state it more than that....I mean, there WAS another prez in between them, wasn't there?

      No hate for him from the NRA? you don't say....

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Oh, they do...when a Republican is prez. History has shown that.

      National

      Republican

      Associates

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      TeaPartyCrasher 4 years ago from Camp Hill, PA

      Seems that kind of vigilantee society is what the NRA, etc might want.

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      TeaPartyCrasher 4 years ago from Camp Hill, PA

      You've seen the NRA shoot themselves in the foot already in front of Congress? You want to see more of that.

      Actually, if it helps show the NRA as out of sync. . . .

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      It just occurred to me.....we are having this BIG hearing about drones killing Americans...gubmint killing Americans--targeted/enemies--.....but we shrug off the fact that Americans kill each other every day with their guns!

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Chris Dorner: "The enemy combatants in LA are not the citizens and suspects, it’s the police officers." http://fb.me/1oa91ZtmK

      "LAPD like @OPD hyper-militarized LE orgs w/ poor training, leadership, command & control! LEO's Shooting Civilians n "Simular Vehicle"

      **********

      Police are militarized...we are the enemy. I've seen it myself. Pulled over for headlight, police officer says: "Stay in the vehicle for my safety".....HIS safety? I thought he worked for me? And what danger am I? Made me feel like I was a bug in a spotlight. I was already guilty. Of what? Being an American, that's what.

      Cause we LUV military and guns and macho-man hero's.

      Little punk forgets I'm a mom and gramma.......not a criminal.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      wellllll.....

      THIS MORNING: LAPD reportedly shot two women delivering newspapers by mistake http://thkpr.gs/WRuSSq

      Seems everybody has gunomania these days.

      We are not safe from guns!! shhhhhh. It's the secret you're not supposed to talk about.

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      Jack Burton 4 years ago from The Midwest

      Then, lmc, I expect you to call for the disarming of cops, the FBI, the Secret Service and the Army.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Well.....he had a reason: @Occupythemob

      Fired LAPD Officer Shoots 3 Fellow Cops Killing One- Releases Manifesto Exposing Corruption http://wp.me/pckBk-2rM

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      lmc just proved that guns can't be trusted in the hands of anyone!

      Even a police officer--who is trained and required to use one lets the power get to his head.

      Makes it easy to kill, should the desire arise.

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      Jack Burton 4 years ago from The Midwest

      lmc just conclusively proved that cops shouldn't carry guns.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      ‏@DCdebbie

      Breaking: Ex-cop has killed one officer, is suspect in slaying of two people. Manhunt under way.

      ********

      I thought Nugent said we should leave all the law-abiding gunners alone....how much more law-abiding are you supposed to get?

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      So--while they cry because we want and end to 30-100 round magazines, and we want 100% backgroundchecks--here is what they are up to: real time!

      "Mr. Justice Stewart referred to the Fourteen Amendment when he issued a concurring statement in Roe v. Wade. He wrote, in part:

      "Clearly, therefore, the Court today is correct in holding that the right asserted by Jane Roe is embraced within the personal liberty protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. It is evident that the Texas abortion statute infringes that right directly. Indeed, it is difficult to imagine a more complete abridgment of a constitutional freedom than that worked by the inflexible criminal statute now in force in Texas."

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Kind of like the base that says those who support Obama hate America?

      Hear that all the time.

      Used to be those who didn't support Bush hate America.....funny how rights and such move with the ideology, huh?

      ....Like since the 14th amendment gives women the right to decide for their own bodies....now the oppressors are giving those same rights to a fertilized egg. OVER and ABOVE those of the woman!!

      Talk about fantasy...and sick really. I imagine the time a woman will have to die in labor, for a child she never wanted to carry in the 1st place....

      Oh yeah: been there, done that. Praise the Lord, and the 2nd amendment.....servitude and weapons.

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      Jack Burton 4 years ago from The Midwest

      tpc sez: It seems that many those who support the 2nd have trouble with parts the 1st as well. As well as the 4th,5th, and 6th.

      Jack replies: yes... which is exactly why I am calling for all of wayne's posts to be removed and those who believe as he does be labeled terrorists.

      Oh... wait... that was WAYNE the gun-grabber who said those things. And this is the base from which all the things that wayne, tpc, and the others should be measured when they make their fantasy world remarks.

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      TeaPartyCrasher 4 years ago from Camp Hill, PA

      When you see the world through a scope, what do you expect.

      I just hope Jack has read "Why Mess With the U.S" so he can see what he and his insurrectionists are up against. . .

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      TeaPartyCrasher 4 years ago from Camp Hill, PA

      It seems that many those who support the 2nd have trouble with parts the 1st as well. As well as the 4th,5th, and 6th.

      But I don't see the Country through a scope like the insurrectionists do!

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      Jack Burton 4 years ago from The Midwest

      Or...wayne... the Dear Readers can just watch the unedited video that is in my link and decide for themselves, eh.

      But I do appreciated your further demonstration that those who hate the 2nd amendment also fundamentally hate the 1st amendment also.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Poor little Teddy Nugent cries, "Just leave us alone!"...as he sticks his gvt down my pants.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Listen mate...we don't even know if some of those people are real fathers, and if they even had kids.

      That whole thing was a false flag for something.

      Yoichi Shimatsu thinks it was done because the gvr double-crossed the mob.

      One of the many mobs that abound....one of them being the extreme right Judeo-X-Tians who seek world domination.

      ....that's the one you favor, right Jack?

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      Jack Burton 4 years ago from The Midwest

      Wayne sez: A father of a boy killed in Sandy Hook was attending a Conn. state Govt. hearing on gun violence yesterday while speaking to the committe and holding a picture of his dead son, People HECKLED him! Listen to the video that is out on that meeting! The HECKLERS were sent to this meeting by the NRA!

      Jack replies: Is there any doubt left that wayne and his buddies live in fantasy land? Let us find out the truth of this supposed "heckling" and the purposeful misleading editing that NBC did.

      http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/msnbc-airs-s...

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Tell me about it...they all cry about war and drones and Obama this, Obama that......

      Meanwhile, they completely missed Bush atrocities,

      don't care 2 whits that we allow military weapons in the hands of maniacs, and declare a fertilized egg to be a full human being.

      I am fully opposed to them as if we are enemies....and we are.

      My freedom is endangered by them, as is my autonomy as a human being.

      They would give our country over to the maniacs, and make me a prisoner of their religious state.

      This is war. And I have no weapons. Simply my faith in Justice--and that Right will win out over Might.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Chung Kim, Texas man, fatally shoots couple in argument over dog feces http://cbsn.ws/WZ4Zjn

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      ‏@AriBerman

      "blacks and Hispanics waited nearly twice as long in line to vote on average than whites" http://nyti.ms/WqIXGK

      So obvious it's laughable. Except it isn't funny.

      Some clown--yes, white and Republican--made remarks about Trayvon Martin...it's on Huffpo. I am sick of hearing it.....know it all. Heard it all before.

      In fact, when I see a R post: I scroll down without reading. There is nothing they can say that we don't already know.

      They've ruled the roost for so long, they actually think it's a birth-right or something.

      Male/White/Their God/Submissive women.

      ...and their sundry supporters, who are dwindling as we speak.

      Just heed this: Don't think you can "Change the message", when the policies are all the same!

      Pigstick on a Lip.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      well, now--this is interesting...This is how I feel too.

      "There is a false revolution in America about to be carried out by TPTB

      This has a strong element of racism to it

      Beware of anybody who speaks of the founding fathers or the constitution, or right to bare arms etc. They are the other side of the elites controlled conflict."

      http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23...

      ...should be a good read.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Fox's ratings have dropped.....they have also hired Dennis Kucinich.....god knows why. He's as pro-regulation as you can get.

      May be they are reading the writing on the wall......they were big since 2000. But now: we see the results from their type of governing.....and we no likey.

      They are on a sinking ship.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Well, I know people say "it was always there". etc etc. But for me, it began with Rush Limbaugh, after Clinton was elected. I was truly shocked at the things he said, and the manner in which he said them.

      Utter hatred, disrespect and contempt. Then came the accusations. Murder, for one.

      But........oddly--he was a huge cheerleader of Bushco...had Cheney on his show all the time.....that is what let me know he is a gd phony and shill for the fascists.

      They are dangerous.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detail...

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      Tammy Barnette 4 years ago

      LMC, My news opened yesterday evening with a story of a man killing his wife, two children, and then himself. I live a couple hours outside of Knoxville, I can attest to the propaganda...

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      'Alabama Man Holding 5-Year-Old Boy Hostage ‘Listened to a Lot of Conservative Talk Radio’

      http://www.politicususa.com/alabama-man-holding-5-...

      No one ever wants to admit it, but it's true....just as Palin and Beck and O'Reilly all hold blame. They KNOW what they are doing....and they do it anyway.IMO

      They act like know-it-alls while they propagate lies and foment hatred.

      Evil-on-a-stick. And given the domain of the airwaves, because they buy it up.

      Muslims are not the enemy.....it is within!

      "conservative talk radio down here in Knoxville is all over the bandwidth. You can hardly get away from a Fox news radio station that runs all of the popular sickness that these people put out. Brochures are found everywhere’s documenting the latest quote from Charles Krauthammer. This is a total onslaught of garbage"

      It's the same here, and I'm in Massachussettes!

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      New White Order.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      just an example of how far they have led us from decency......

      Was watching a re-run of Meet the Press, David Brooks says, "they were attacking his character, his honesty, his integrity...he should have fought back, that's the problem."...

      NO--the problem IS they were attacking his character, his honesty, his integrity!!

      These goons have turned the atmosphere from decent people with honest debates into mud-slingers seeing who can sling the best mud. Juvenile! At the highest level!

      Grow the *&^% up.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Yes there is. It's callled the freedom of speech. I can make it absolute just like gunners make the 2nd absolute.

      In fact: I have the right to say what I want, when I want, and wherever I want.....no regard for anyone else. Isn't that what you are demanding with your guns?

      uh, yeah--it is.

      But of course, we already know...what THEY want is sacrosanct. Freedom for THEM to do anything. Everyone else subject to THEIR whim.

      Doesn't work that way.

      We have limits to speech, and limits to weapons.

      Or else we'd have a free-for-all.

      Time for all the little gunner babies to grow up.

      "There there now hunny......it's not the end of the world if you can't shoot 1o0 times automatic."

      "But ma, it gives me such power."

      ......."Hunny--that power is reserved for God."

      Or, as my reading pal visible says: "You want to lead on earth instead of follow heaven"

      Gunners--you are not God. Don't tell me when I can utilize my body, and don't tell me I must accept your murder-sprees.---Guns kill. Stop pretending otherwise.

      Abortions happen in nature....guns are man-made.

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      Jack Burton 4 years ago from The Midwest

      lmc sez: If I have free speech as written in the Constitution...why am I banned from the forums? Isn't HP taking away my 1st amendment rights?

      Jack replies: As with many people who are confused about the 2nd Amendment, lmc is also confused about the 1st Amendment.

      There is no "right" that a private party must provide anyone with a platform to speak or express themselves.

      The fact that lmc thinks there is is just another facet of his living in fantasyland in his head.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      well, I take that back about stupid....

      "LaPierre thinks background checks will lead to government surveillance of citizens."

      ---

      “I think what they’ll do is turn this universal check on the law-abiding into a universal registry of law-abiding people. And law-abiding people don’t want that. My God, that’s the last thing they want,” LaPierre said on “Fox News Sunday.”

      **********

      errrrm.....this happened in 2001,02,03,04,05,06.......guess who else does it? Google, Facebook....all those nice businesses.....

      You wanted it...you got it. (total Republican control of all 3 branches)

      Law abiding people don't want assault rifles in their supermarkets, Jerk.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Yes---they know darn good and well......stupid they are not: stealth they are. They have been "gunning" for women since 1973.

      And always with the guns. It's phallus worship, other wise, they would not be suppressing women, IMO.

      What do they care if someone they don't know aborts a fetus? I mean---really?

      They are jealous that females give birth.....carry the species. And the females around them are controlled. That is my opinion.

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      TeaPartyCrasher 4 years ago from Camp Hill, PA

      You expect those who accept the insurrectionist ideas of the NRA, etc to understand any of that!

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      @TheDailyEdge

      Background checks are an outrageous assault on personal freedom, say politicians who want to give you an unnecessary transvaginal ultrasound

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      We are all suffering the damage from them. And I just realized how much we have put up with for so long.

      So much verbal abuse. Such demonic rantings.

      I don't think they are stupid. They just don't care one iota about any one but themselves.

      Think about it: if background checks, fazing out assault rifles, and no more than 10 bullets in a magazine are too much to ask of them.......

      That is truly pathetic.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      These that have turned the world upside down are come hither also—Acts 17:7

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Famous Navy SEAL sniper Chris Kyle is shot and killed, with another man, in Texas at... a gun range. http://bit.ly/XzvHNF

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      If I have free speech as written in the Constitution...why am I banned from the forums? Isn't HP taking away my 1st amendment rights?

      Why do we allow this?

      And what about those people who report me...aren't they haters of the Constitution?

      Can't have it all ways. We all give, or we all take. Which is it?

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Oh don't be silly...Jesus said to own a gun, nothing to do with business.

      And, if you get rich from guns, Jesus said to hoard your money.... preferably in a Swiss bank, so you can avoid paying taxes to the country whose citizens die everyday so your money can grow.

      It's so simple!

      And everday, we thank our founding fathers for writing into the Constitution, that killing 30 people in 27 seconds is our right as a citizen.

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      TeaPartyCrasher 4 years ago from Camp Hill, PA

      Then the companies that back the NRA would lose their business. . .

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      NRA types don't have a clue what the issue is.

      Get rid of mass-murdering weapons. Get rid of easy access to guns. Get rid of excuses and dodging for all the gun deaths in the USA.

      Or, as a new bumper sticker says: Death is not a family value.

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      Jack Burton 4 years ago from The Midwest

      Yes, I know, because my 17 year old neighbor girl just aborted the donkey growing in her uterus. Or perhaps it was a chicken. It certainly wasn't a "human being" eh.

      BTW... I quote people accurately and just what they say. Lmc has to make up fantasy land quotes in order to get people to say just what he wants. them to say. I think that is just wonderful. What more can better show his bankruptcy in ideas.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Jack sez: I thought we all had the right to kill as many people as we wanted, when we wanted and where we wanted. I’ll have to go back and check the law books on that one. Perhaps I was under the mistaken impression.

      lmc sez: How you feel about abortion?

      Jack sez: I don’t recall anyone “forcing” lmc to buy a Glock or any other firearm.

      lmc sez: Who's forcing anyone to have an abortion?

      Jack 's kind sez: "it's not the same issue"

      lmc sez: You are right. Guns kill live human beings.

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      Jack Burton 4 years ago from The Midwest

      lmc sez: Funny...they call them "anti-gun"......

      Is that a little immature, to you? I mean.....who is saying "No Guns"...?

      No One.

      Lmc sez a few posts later: Get rid of Glocks too.

      Jack replies: Thank you for that post from fantasy land where contradictions don't exist.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Get rid of Glocks too.

      Anyone who needs more than one shot doesn't deserve a weapon. Period.

      Jack Burton...she's quite the comedian eh?

      "Survey Says!"....... no more guns....ding ding ding

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      Jack Burton 4 years ago from The Midwest

      Lmc sez: Oh really? A normal gun can kill 30 people in 27 seconds?

      Jack replies: See, Dear Readers…. This is a further example of lmc living in fantasyland. He really doesn’t know that a standard Glock handgun which has sold in the tens of millions to ordinary citizens across the country for the past 40 years can easily fire 50 rounds in less than 27 seconds.

      Yet… he feels compelled to comment about it anyway. He is totally ignorant about the subject of firearms, but he thinks that he is totally qualified on the subject and we should pay attention to his ideas and “common sense.”

      Lmc sez: DO TELL. This is the "right" you are forcing down our throats, and it is no right whatsoever.

      Jack replies: Hmmmm… I don’t recall anyone “forcing” lmc to buy a Glock or any other firearm. Perhaps I missed that part of the conversation.

      Lmc sez: News Flash: You do not have the right to kill 30 people in 27 seconds. Get over it.

      Jack replies: Really? I thought we all had the right to kill as many people as we wanted, when we wanted and where we wanted. I’ll have to go back and check the law books on that one. Perhaps I was under the mistaken impression.

      BTW… maybe lmc can explain to everyone why he thinks cops “have the right to kill 30 people in 27 seconds” because almost all of them carry Glocks or their equal.

      Lmc sez: We have the right, under the second amendment, to make YOU be well-regulated!

      Jack replies: When you understand the passage in the context of the 17th century when it was written then get back to us.

      Lmc sez: Sorry gunners, your rights do not super-cede the rest of ours.

      Jack replies: lmc can’t actually explain how my owning any gun supercedes any “rights” of his, but it makes him ffffeeeelllll ggggoooddd to post it.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      they behave like children, Chris - because - that's ALL they've got! They certainly don't have truth on their side..

      Nor compassion...

      Nor common sense...

      Nor facts...

      ALL they CAN do is change the subject, belittle, throw up distractions, name call, pout, stomp their feet - OR SHOOT YOU DEAD!

      The expected smoke and mirrors from the deeply indoctrinated..

      I would NEVER have this conversation with mr conrad face to face..

      i'm far from a coward, but - i ain't stupid neither..

      an angry extremist is a dangerous extremist...

      funny how they never back down - everyone can tell him to find a new perspective - with facts and figures to back it - in all EARNESTNESS trying to make them see that PEOPLE ARE DYING - and that the ZILLIONS OF GUNS already on the streets aren't helping.

      Clearly, a good guy with a gun doesn't do shit, mr conrad - BUT - they'll try to hedge that one by saying - it's all the gang bangers with guns..

      are YOU a gang banger mr conrad? you certainly don't strike me as a good guy..

      the deeply indoctrinated are EXCELLENT at NOT recognizing truth and NEVER mentioning the victims..

      i wonder, mr conrad - exactly how many more guns does your ilk feel are necessary before the VAST MAJORITY of the American public can feels safe? Exactly? Hmmmmm...?

      I mean - aside from the 300 MILLION already out there, of course..

      (what a waste of time and energy, people...he can't wait to start defending HIS DISTORTED VERSION of his rights...)

      so weak and so easily brainwashed - in other words - just another sheeple..

      Baaaaaaaaaaa....

      PS..i am NOT anti-gun....LOL...(just more juvenile crap meant only to shift focus...)

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      TeaPartyCrasher 4 years ago from Camp Hill, PA

      Ever see my hub "Silver and Lead"

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      Tammy Barnette 4 years ago

      Selections of rifles, shotguns and ammunition previously sold at Walmart were back as the retailer tried once again to target customers in more rural parts of the country. Today, guns are sold at between 1,700 and 1,800 of the 4,000 outlets across the U.S., says Walmart spokesperson Kory Lundberg. At about a third of its stores, the offerings include “modern sporting rifles,” a term that refers to the type of semiautomatic rifle used in the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in December.

      Read more: http://business.time.com/2013/01/11/walmarts-on-ag...

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Oh really? A normal gun can kill 30 people in 27 seconds?

      DO TELL. This is the "right" you are forcing down our throats, and it is no right whatsoever.

      News Flash: You do not have the right to kill 30 people in 27 seconds. Get over it.

      We have the right, under the second amendment, to make YOU be well-regulated!

      Sorry gunners, your rights do not super-cede the rest of ours.

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      Jack Burton 4 years ago from The Midwest

      tpc sez: Not anymore. But.

      Jack repleis: Never was. But thanks for the report in from fantasy land.

      BTW... the Walmart down the street from me has several ARs in stock right now. I expect them to last about five minutes on the shelf.

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      Jack Burton 4 years ago from The Midwest

      Lmc sez Funny...they call them "anti-gun"......

      Is that a little immature, to you? I mean.....who is saying "No Guns"...?

      No One.

      And later...lmc sez: These NRA types are missing the whole point.

      It's not to get everybody a gun to stop someone with a mass-murdering instrument.

      It's to get rid of the mass-murdering instrument.

      Jack replies: Since 98 percent of all guns made have the capability of killing more than one person when fired multiple times I guess ol' lmc is going to have to do the hypocrite "walk back" to explain the way he contradicts himself within one hub. I think I am going to rename him "No One."

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      These NRA types are missing the whole point.

      It's not to get everybody a gun to stop someone with a mass-murdering instrument.

      It's to get rid of the mass-murdering instrument.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      And yet they ban Cheryl Crow.....this Sam Walmart must be one of "Them". Or else they have his b*lls.

      The kind that won't allow swearing, must tell you what to do, how to do it, and with who.

      And guns are jes fine.

      All taxes can be used for anything they want. Everyone else just shut up.

      They know best. And They have all the money, which They made ripping off YOU!

      You--the collective you....who think there is no problem with Walmart.

      Guns, God, Money.

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      TeaPartyCrasher 4 years ago from Camp Hill, PA

      Not anymore. But. . . .

      (Possible repost--but folks may need a reminder)

      http://www.thenation.com/article/171808/how-walmar...

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      Jack Burton 4 years ago from The Midwest

      Tammy... you really want to learn something?

      Then repeat after me... there are NO "military assault weapons" being sold at Walmart...

      there are NO "military assault weapons" being sold at Walmart...

      there are NO "military assault weapons" being sold at Walmart...

      there are NO "military assault weapons" being sold at Walmart...

      If you do it enough times you might actually begin to believe in it.

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      TeaPartyCrasher 4 years ago from Camp Hill, PA

      All it's going to be is the NRA line. . .

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      Tammy Barnette 4 years ago

      Is that really all you have Jack, please...the floor is yours, use it