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Updated on December 12, 2008

Terry Davis 11-2003

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Norteno street gangs

Street gangs have been with us for over 60 years. The Norteno street gangs got their start inside the California Prison system. There are varying stories on how the Nusetra Familia or NF originally started. The bottom line is that Hispanics from Northern California were subject to threats, extortion, and any other prison crime that you could think of. These crimes against them were at the hands of the Mexican Mafia or Sureno street gangs, and many viewed the prison guards as enemies also, due to the way they were treated. The final insult was over a pair of shoes, which later became known as the shoe wars. A Northern Hispanic inmates shoes were stolen and given to a Mexican mafia inmate. The owner of the shoes ended up assaulting the Mexican Mafia inmate that had the shoes. This incident brought together the Northern Hispanic inmates and created the Nustera Familia. In the early to mid 1960s at Soledad Correctional Training Facility, during a cell search of a Northern Hispanic inmates cell. The Nuestra Familia's, constitution along with numerous other documents were found that gave an inside look at the structure and operation of the Nuestra Familia inside the prison system and on the streets.

The Nuestra Familia was organized in a military fashion with, generals, capt's, Lt's, and soldiers. They lived by a document referred to as the 14 bonds, which spelled out the duties of a gang member and the punishments for acts considered treason or cowardise. As members of the NF were paroled back to their neighbors, they became active in all kinds of street crimes and began organizing and recruiting.

The NF today acts as a giant umbrella that covers all Norteno street gangs. Individuals that show an interest and willingness to carry out activities that support and enhance the gangs reputation or that brings money to the gang are noticed and then groomed for promotions with-in the gang. As they progress in their training and are judged to be good soldiers they gain respect and move up the ladder of the gang, which includes becoming a carnale, or brother in the cause, or struggle.

The identifiers for the Nuestra Familia (NF) are the color red and the number 14. Originally in the California prison system inmates were issued railroad type hankerchief's, they came in two colors, red and blue. The Mexican mafia and Sureno inmates used the blue to identify themselves and the NF used the red. The number 14 stands for the fourteenth letter of the alphabet, the letter N, for Norteno. Later during the United Farm Workers (UFW) organization they introduced a flag consisting of the Mexican eagle. The emblem of the eagle was taken by the NF, referred to as the Welga Bird, and incorporated as a tattoo to identify NF members. Today, you may still see the tattoo but it is becoming less common. Other tattoo's will be dot's tattoo'd on the hands, arms, elbows, face, or any other place on the body as well as the number 14. The dot tatto's will usually be either one dot on the left hand, and 4 dot's on the right hand. Later, the Northern star tattoo became popular and was a five point star, which signified that for each streight line with-in the star the individual carring the tattoo had completed a mission for the gang. When the star was filled in to a solid star, the individual had committed some act of great violence for the gang. The NF has also used the Aztec number symbols to indicate the number 14 on their tattoo's. Tatto's are constantly changing and today many either do not get them, as the authorities use them to validate gang members, or they try to hide them with-in other tattoo's.

The NF also has become involved in music, that glorifies the gang and it's activities and denounces it's rival gangs, the Mexican mafia and the sureno street gangs. Most notable was the G.U.N. label which stands for the Generation of United Nortenos. These lyric's glorfiy and encourage gang violence, and are used to incite gang members to violence, as well as make money.

These gangs initially were confined to their neighborhoods, or barrios and considered these areas as their terrortory. However, today they have become more mobil, they consider towns, cities, area codes and regions as their terrotory. The use of firearms and the willingness to use them with no concerns for innocent victims has made these gangs more and more dangerous. Gang members, like all criminals prefer to go about their business un-noticed by the general population.

To learn more about the gangs and gang symbols used in your area, you can attend gang awareness meetings put on by schools, and local law enforcement agencies. Education, recognition and action is what is needed in our communities to eradicate gangs and protect our families and communities. Gangs count on the fear of citizens to take action. It's time for us to take back our children, neighborhoods and cities, from gangs. If you have information contact your local law enforcement by phone, or computer and you can give them the information they need to stop the violence, with-out identifying yourself.

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    terry b deeznutz 5 years ago

    i grew up in nothern california as i grew up i was around the hood as a teen growing up you are pressured to be in a gang, its just part of the mexican culture

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    spikey 5 years ago

    Anyway, I stumbled here and just wanted to say that if you can, save yourself the heart break & pains of gang life, cause I've been around it and lived it, cause there isn't any love in this game even if it starts out as just taking care of your people that stuff eventually takes an ugly and nasty turn but most these dudes just to big headed and trying to be the baddest to even listen. And one last thing, beware of these grimy dudes, don't make friends wit em cause when they get hungry they'll come and rob you out here they aren't playing around you don't know what they're capable of cause people turn on you. So if you live like that yeah it gets exciting and its cool for a minute but then watch as the world around you crumbles. I do have respect for some ppl who hustle to climb out of poverty and know some folks who got into college like that, thing is that many don't know when to stop and end up in jail. So take care. I'm out.

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    spikey 5 years ago

    I see why people click up and join gangs cause yall feel hated by many people for being mexican and whole lot of other reasons but then u got ignorant & greedy people ruining it for everyone making us look bad. that being said, gangs r just a dead end. some people are born in real bad situations that makes people feel hopeless and end up in a gang, shit sometimes they are forced but if you got a choice stay out. I lived on chicago's westside for years until I moved to a nearby town & in both these places there are lot of gangs. during my earlier years I met & was close to people cause we all got to know each other & whites blacks asians too and had each others backs though not everyone was in a gang but good things come to an end & many people started selling, man everyone started to get paranoid not trusting anyone & fist fights turned to stabbing & shootings. Fast forward just 4 years and most these guys dropped out a few are in prison for long time, some of us saw what was coming and left that life style.

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    559bds 5 years ago

    man our court system is based on merrit time laww....

    a fucking law that is used for the docking of cargo ships at sea.......pathetic!!!!!

    one again, EYES WIDE OPEN TERRY

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    dread 5 years ago

    It's a tragedy young people wasting there life. My niece and her boyfriend 20 & 22. Are going to trial as we speak. He shot an unarmed man 9 times. She was involved after the fact. By both of them being registered gang members for the Nortenos. If convicted one will never get out and the other could do 15 years or more. This is sad that 1 life was taken. 2 more are going to be wasted. In a gang Gang is first. My question is why do gang members even claim God is on there list. If he were in their life there would be no reason for a gang. Sad thing is these two never had to steal or commit crimes they came from good families. Young people wake up and think for yourself. Crimes these gangs get you to commit make no mistake are to benefit the gang. Where are the Nortenos going to be when these two go to prison. Most of them from the street if not all will disappear. Who are they going to count on then. The family. The family they were so disloyal to because of the gang. What about God who was totally ignored. Young people go to school graduate. be the first in your family to go to college. Make a change. Break the cycle.

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    X PORT GANGSTER 5 years ago

    I WAS RAISED IN THE NORTHEN CALIFORNIA BUT THE ONLY THING IN MY MIND I WANTED TO BE A SURENO WHAT'S MOSTLY KNOW ASS A SOUTHERNER...

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    whatever 5 years ago

    there are more serious and important issues in life than all these stupid shit heads claimin and banging.Ignorant s.o.b all need to get locked up and kill each other. Losers!!!

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    weasel lokote 5 years ago

    im a NORTENO 14 member from N.M. i've served 5 yrs in prison im 30 yrs old and i still represent when asked where im from but i try not 2 encourage the youth 2 go out n do what i did

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    Chewiez 5 years ago

    Man all you vatos are blind right now, i used to be hella down for norte but you graduate from highschool and realize those foos are only using you for their needs

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    NOrTe Killa4nia. 5 years ago

    ayeeEEe nigga. i from thE 408, raisEd in the 916 and livin in the 415! reprEsEntin the rEd. wHitE pe0plE d0Nn kn0E n0thin b0ut the strEets th0E.

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    916niggah 5 years ago

    I don't bang i have family dat do bang sur. bt i grew up in SACRAMENTO i gt much respect with REAL nortes or REAL surenos. from my point of view terry ive seen some gang members who do replace their family with the hood bt there is more who are realy realy united with their families. the love of a mother can never be replaced. ive never been in gangs bt ive never been a saint. i grew up bangin on anybody who wantd it. i grew up with a lot of black ppl listenin to MAC DRE nd such but my point of view is that now gangs have gotten old to mi now its all about getting your money up at any cost. NO i do not sell drugs to my own family. but i got no other choice no job wants a 17 yr old boy with a criminal record hella long nd some of yall on here claimin there hoods nd sayn this and that STOP NET BANGING yall just making people look bad

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    big cajones 213 5 years ago

    all you chaps and wannabes are lame all that pride, love family talk shows why you all are busters. down south its all about money and straight ganagbanging. we don't get into a gang to get along united on the streets, its to gangbang sell drugs and create as much violence as possible making a name for your barrio.if we wanna be unted down here we will go to the ymca and join a sports team!! terry ur right we just cause problems like we r supposed to do that's why we are real gangmembers, not wannabe dressed as tampons!!

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    fluff master916 5 years ago

    Hey terry I believe you are doing a good job keep up the good work

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    jEmSSnn01 5 years ago from NY

    This is one of my biggest worry with my kids as one of them is reaching his teenage years and we are living in a gang operating neighborhood, I just hope that I brought them right and will not get involved in the wrong crowd.

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    Sw33tluv 5 years ago

    Wow... 2 years and u r still responding.... I say If it's wat they like doin let them be... They aren't Hurting anyone

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    NORTHENER 5 years ago

    BUNCH OF MISGUIDED KIDS......LOT OF PEOPLE SAYIN THE GANG DON'T COME FIRST BUT WHEN YOUR BEHIND THOSE WALLS THE GANG IS YOUR FAMILIA AND COMES BEFORE ANYTHING....B4 KIDS ,FAMILY....SO IF YOU CHOOSE THIS LIFESTYLE BE PREPARED FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF LIFE IN PRISON.....IF U READ THIS IN TIME,,,,,GO TO SCHOOL GRADUATE....KEEP A CLEAN RECORD....DO SOMETHING DREAM BIG....

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    active ene 5 years ago

    Look Im the Real deal i do this on a daily n its black n White n i know in my heart its wrong .......n in order to Be in the gang as an active member inside the walls n out U have to put the homies first before ur Kids familia ... Really its just a front for selfish individuals to party n Be lazy n get money n Be able to lie to themselves n act like they stand for something but on the Real ...in the end ....its bull shit n a cop out of really struggling n doin shit the right way ...the hard way... The honest way

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    frank 5 years ago

    this guy named Terry B. Davis is gay as hell

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    Terry B. Davis 5 years ago

    599eNertainer, thanks for your comments. However, you might want to read a little bit more regarding my background and where I came from. Also all inmates say your no better than a prisoner, everyone could be in prison. No, only criminals go to prison or the graveyard, its their choice. However, I am sure that your comments may help someone else stay out of prison and gangs. Thanks again for your comment.

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    559eNertainer 5 years ago

    Terry you don't know jack about gangz till you join one even tho I know you wont cuz ur a square az foo.. But even whitez get caught N da mix Wen or if they go to prizon cuz dey cant defend dem selves.. All im sayin is if you go to prizon ur gona be sumones doggy lol truzt me even well eduacated indavidualz get sent to prizon.. Ur no better den anyone elze just cuz your were raized n a rich white neighborhood where everyone smiling n shit n cuz u got a degree haha itz dat thug life 4Life son!!!!!!

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    Terry B. Davis 5 years ago

    FTB, thank you for your comment. I agree with your frustration.

    Again thanks and good luck.

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    fuckthebay 5 years ago

    I feel what you say terry. Im of Mexican decent. I live in San Francisco California. These punks that wear red and blue really make it hard for me to be proud of being Mexican. When im asked on the streets if i bang witch happens allot because of the color of my skin i end up tellin them im filipino or native american to name a few ethnicities i choose to say when i am when confronted by these punks. I hate the way that mexicans treat each other in this state. I mean this state because ive lived in several states, Nevada, Texas and ill tell you this. i was never treated with such disrespect by my own people. What some of the comments have said that theres a northern raza or a southern raza is all bullshit only in this fucking state does our people act this way. I cannot believe the way that these mexicants treat our race. I have lost my pride of being mexican after living in this fucking state and witnessin these retards in real life. I don't even want to associate with my own people its that bad. Maybe its just me that sees this matter in this light. I hope my people will one day stop this madness and quit the harassment towards my people. Did the mafia treat italians this way? did the yakusa kill its own people for wearing a color they disliked?

    I just hope ill be alive to see the day that my children and grandchildren wont have to worry about their own race stabbing or shooting them.

    To all mexicans reading this please stop this madness unite and once again be proud to be mexican irreguardless of the bullshit you think you've been trough be stronger for these experiences don't be bitter uphold yourself to the highest standards,educate yourself try to get others to get educated that is when you will make your race proud

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    Terry B. Davis 5 years ago

    Lisa, sometimes just planting the seed will help them see the truth.

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    Lisa 5 years ago

    Terry B. Davis, you are too smart for these Gang Losers! Gangsters will never change; it's their way of life which is full of crime, drugs & no education. Just watch an episode of The First 48 in which you will see all the gang bangers kill each other! Terry, you can't change someone's way of thinking unless he wants to change himself. Usually with these gangsters, the only time they want to change is when they're facing a Life Sentence for Murder. Then, all of a sudden, they are so religious & remorseful for their crimes. NOT!

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    TerryYouDummy 5 years ago

    Don't go so defensive then.

    Enough said.

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    Terry B. Davis 5 years ago

    As you have said,"I've never said or claimed that what i've typed in the above comments were facts. It's how I..! Let me say it again .. "I" feel.."

    Enough said, thanks for your comments.

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    TerryYouDummy 5 years ago

    I've never said or claimed that what i've typed in the above comments were facts. It's how I..! Let me say it again .. "I" feel.. By the way i hope you don't think im a gang-banger.. Oh and i don't care if there not in pakistan.. I know its in the middle east.. What war on terror? Nothing has happened since 9/11..(correct me if i'm wrong.) Back to gangs.. Yes gang bangers are a bunch of sheep.. But most of them are born into a family that is already banging..Cmon though.. You really don't think the military is just one big ol' gang? To me they're similar.. At least respect my opinion.. Don't tell me to get my facts straight as i said evrything ive posted are my own beleifs.

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    TerryYouDummy 5 years ago

    I never claimed any of my thoughts as facts.. My gang skewed sense of honor & pride? If your trying to say i bang, you're wrong..

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    Terry B. Davis 5 years ago

    Its not sterotyping, its my obsevations. If you don't understand the war on terror there is nothing I can say. US troops aren't in pakistan. Don't try to place your gangs skewed sense of honor and pride on our men and women in our armed forces. I have been in the Military and I know many that have served and are serving now. Many entered to fulfill their service to their country, as the price for living in this country and protecting its freedoms. come on if you want to compare urban terrorists to the Military at least get your facts right, otherwise just try being truthful, there are no rationalizations to justify gangs, period.

    Thanks for the comments

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    TerryYouDummy 5 years ago

    Oh and by the way .. All the wars out there i don't recall any Countries being attacked by another countrie.. Why are U.S troops still in pakistan, i don't know...

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    TerryYouDummy 5 years ago

    Why are you stereotyping for? Your saying that gang member cries for his petty life all of them do? The military is just like a gang.. I know they fight for their country , all im trying to say is that they are no more brainwashed than gang bangers.. Fighting for something they did not start.. How can you be so sure that they attack non combatants? You're a stereotype the way im seeing the comment above. Oh and the military is full of gun hoed redneck who want to hold a gun.. Fight for their country...HA. then they cry wanting to go home. Like you stated above that bangers "cry" to be let go..

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    Terry B. Davis 5 years ago

    The biggest difference is the US Army fights against those that have armed themselves and attacked this country, unlike gang bangers, they attack non combants, and others that have done nothing to them. Gangsters have pride, and honor, I disagree otherwise every time they got arrested or appeared in court they would prodly stand up and admit what they did, why they did it and proudly proclaim themselves a gang banger fighting for there cause. Instead they lie, cheat and blame others for their choices. I can't count the number of times they have cried begging to be let go. To even make the comparison is invalid, and shows a lack of understanding the US Militaries role in war.

    Again thank you for your comment.

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    TerryYouDummy 5 years ago

    Why would you go on saying gang members are brainwashed? I know it's the wrong path to choose for anyone.But wouldn't you think the military is brainwashed as well? They kill their enemys without caring that they HAVE family, friends who care and love them.. They are given orders to kill just like any gang member is told to do so. All it is, is that you are ordered to shoot the enemy that doesn't wear your uniform.. What does the military fight for, their country..& gang members fight for their hood. Both have a sense of pride, honor & commitment.

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    sharketero 5 years ago

    Terry all I got to say is that I was all into that shit nd.I can't help it to hate scraps buh everythan change one ma daughter was born I can't imagine maself goin out to tha streets wit ma daughter nd a punk ass scrap point a gun to ma daughter shez ma everythan nd for her I left all the bullshit ..... It ain't worth shit yu dumb heads

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    Terry B. Davis 5 years ago

    monterey county, its simple don't commit crimes and don't hang with gang members/associates. Oh and by the way, it is not a one time thing for gang association there is a criteria in place. Such as with CDCR, 3 points are needed to validate a gang member, self admission, gang tattoos, or association with known/validated gang members. The only ones that hurt their loved ones are you the criminals and gang bangers.Again get an education, get a job, be your own man and take care of your responsibilities. You hold the key to your future by the decisions you make. Either stop criminal activity or don't, either go to jail or don't, either hurt the ones you care about or don't.. its up to you, man up and make a decision. The time for crying poor you is done and gone.

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    monterey county 5 years ago

    No,that's where your wrong because with any crime you commit (vandalism,battery,truency,etc)they try and give gang enhancement ,or gang terms for simply no reason.wether you know that or not,most of the jeveniles locked up are in there for a simple violation as curfew or associating with someone that the police consider a gang member for no reason.yet who has to take all that fault?the parents,for 3 months I was in the hall it was $ 1,763,not to include all the programs that are not necessary wich we have to pay 40 -100 $mandatory.the law enforcement doesent help,why? Because the money goes to them,before you judge us or our actions as to what we do to make money I consider you take the chance to speak to the family of the people you supposibly know so much about

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    Terry B. Davis 5 years ago

    monterey county, unless your crime is violent, involves gangs or a firearm/weapon you are correct. Best advice, no gang, violence or use of weapons and you have a good chance of getting probation/county time. Of course, don't be a criminal and then your odds of going to prison are greatly reduced.

    Thanks for your comment.

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    monterey county 5 years ago

    All I got to say is if u compare us to anyone else by the time a whiteboy hits prison, he's had plenty of chances,once we hit court all we get as a deal is prison time

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    100% Real Orgullo 5 years ago

    I grew up on the central coast of califonia and was around gang bang life and witnessed it's destructive side first hand. Anyone who thinks they are serving a higher purpose is lying. It's about trying fill a hole, because there is something inside of you missing. Those who are not strong enough to stand on their own need a gang to stand by them. Being part of a social group is okay, but it depends on the context and purpose of that group. The truth is that the higher up you are in rank within the gang organization the more infighting and backstabbing there is, sometimes your own homies end up being your worst enemies. I know of at least one homie who steped out of line and was killed by his own family, in some cultures you can call this honor killing, but I call it savagetry. The truth is that North/South divide has become just another way to divide and conquer and the Generals sitting in Pelican Bay dont give a Crap about you, you are just a mule to bring in the Money and the Power, you are disposable to them.. that is the Truth so it is better to rise and fall on your own merrits and take responsibility 100% of who you are as human being than to be a part of something that was never going to be about you anyhow.

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    Terry B. Davis 5 years ago

    Ab, thank you for your comment, however I disagree with the basis for your comment. A majority of gang members are not your animals. Over the last 20 years we have supported their gang activities via our social services. Section 8 housing (in California), food stamps, educational payments to return to school or for vocational training. All this has done is set a base of income allowing them to continue criminal activity for extra cash.

    Regarding the 5% hardcore gang members, they are animals and should be locked up for the protection of others. In our society members are held accountable for their decisions, good or bad. We also have the choice to change, to mend our bad decisions and make better ones and again those decisions will have a price attached to them. A majority of gang members do not maintain employment, an rely on society, friends, family,gang associates, and criminal activity to support them selves. With the new AB109, we will see criminal activity increase as there is no longer immediate and swift punishment. Currently records show a drop in crime, however from the people that I have talked with its more a drop in reporting of crime, but that is a different story,

    Again thank you for your comment

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    Ab 5 years ago

    What we need to do is put money into these communities. Not lock all of them up like there animals, they r people first and gang members second. I have family that r gang member some r family men also and they make sure there kids do not follow in there foot step. Some times people make bad choices just to survive u can't fault them for that. If u bring jobs to the hood gang violence would stop it will take time but it's worth the price of a HUMAN life

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    Sarah Rivera 5 years ago from San Diego, Ca

    $4lin4$ e4$t $ide

    Sorry about that.

    It is my greatest hope that you walk away from the gang influence and surround yourself with positive role models.

    You said, “I hope that one day i will take it and change my life around and actually become someone in life instead of nobody.” You are not a “nobody.” You have the potential to make a difference. Use your past to make you a stronger person. Be an example, not a statistic.

    Be the mother, sister, friend that you wish you had.

    Don’t let the gangs take that dream from you. They claim to care. If someone cares about you they would never ask you to be involved in something that will ruin your future. Examples include: fighting, selling / using / transporting drugs, relaying messages for gang members in prison / jail, drive-by shooting, etc.

    Ask yourself a few questions:

    1. Would I want my children to go through the same things?

    2. What am I doing to better myself?

    3. What can I do to prevent this from happening to other people?

    4. If the gang loves you, why do you have to do illegal things to gain their approval?

    Don’t wait until it’s too late or you have a record to change your life. It makes it harder to get into certain academic programs and careers if you have a record.

    Con Respecto,

    Sarah

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    Terry B. Davis 5 years ago

    OGPANCHITO, I can tell from your comments you have no idea regarding the half truths and lies that are used to recrruit new members. I hope that you will do your own research about the stories they tell you and learn what their real objectives are. It is not only what I see,and hear, but I have read their 14 bonds, consitiution,and their training/educational materials, to include how to manipulate members and non-members, about all the backbiting, lies and deseat they use against their own members. I have heard thousands of phone calls to homies, homegirls, family members, friends, wives and girlfriends and how they lie and cheat to everyone. As i said before, I hope you have enough brain power to check facts for yourself, and learn the truth about all criminal street gangs.

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    $4lin4$ e4$t $ide 5 years ago

    hi

    sarah well with no disrespect i am a girl and thank you for the advice i hope that one day i will take it and change my life around and actually become someone in life instead of nobody

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    OGPANCHITO 5 years ago

    ok old man have you ever been in the organization of NF....i don't think so so if your going by what you see then you clearly have no idea what you talkin about im proud to represent NF AND IF YOU AINT DOWN THEN fuck you

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    Terry B. Davis 5 years ago

    Sarah, thanks for your comments, good advise for everyone.

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    Terry B. Davis 5 years ago

    $4lin4$ e4$t $ide, as a matter of fact I have 4 kids, one x and one current wife. It was hard, but I paid my child support, fought for joint custody of my first two kids and treated all of them the same and required them to treat each other as brothers and sisters, no halves or steps. They learned a lot from seeing what I did, and what I didn't do. I also let them know that I was always looking out for them. Surprised them more than a couple of times by being at places they never expected to see me. Read Sarah rivera's comments, good advise.

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    Sarah Rivera 5 years ago from San Diego, Ca

    No, I don’t have children. I’m working on my degree. I want to finish school so that I can find a career that I enjoy. I can’t change my past but I can provide a better life for my future children.

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    Sarah Rivera 5 years ago from San Diego, Ca

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    Mr. $4lin4$ e4$t $ide

    I'm not Terry. I just want to let you know that there is hope. I grew up under similar circumstances. Unfortunately, the other “homies” are going through the same thing and that sort of bottled-up resentment leads to negative behavior. Almost everyone I know from “da ghetto” is a single mom (mostly females), addicted to drugs, in prison, or dead. It breaks my heart to see it.

    I got tired of being broke and blaming everybody for my misfortunes. I had to change my own future. I got a job and went back to school. I’ve had the honor of studying overseas and seeing that there is more to life than being a broke Mexican. I just have to work harder to achieve my goals.

    If you’re posting here, you see that there is a problem. My advice to you is to locate a youth group in your area or become more involved in school activities.

    Please don’t allow your past to dictate your future. Your family may not be able to give you the emotional support or guidance you need but it’s up to you to take the initiative to break the cycle. If your friends truly respect you, they will encourage you to succeed. They won’t do anything to jeopardize or hinder you.

    Remember:

    You can use your experiences as motivation to succeed or an excuse to fail. The choice is yours.

    Con Respecto,

    Sarah

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    $4lin4$ e4$t $ide 5 years ago

    do you have any kidz terry what would you say if your kids were in gangs what would you do to change it mostly us younster bang because are family is to busy to even spend time with us there to stuck into there self to notice us and that's why homies and homiegirls show us more love then are own family do

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    $4lin4$ e4$t $ide 5 years ago

    oh fucking wow as i sit here in my class and see what all you homiez & homiegirlz are sayiing is true but at the same time youngster like my self are the future and keep norte going what happens when you die us youngsters get trained and ready to fightg

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    Terry B. Davis 5 years ago

    Sarah Rivera, thank you for your comments, they are good advise for anyone. I wish you the best of luck in your education and your life.

    Terry

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    Sarah Rivera 5 years ago from San Diego, Ca

    I have had the honor of studying overseas in Tokyo, Japan. Currently, I am working on my Bachelor’s of Science in Biochemistry and working. No, I am not receiving any funds from my parents. My parents can barely afford to feed themselves. Yes, I grew up in the ghetto and did not have anything. However, I did not allow that to hinder my future success. I used my past experiences as motivation to succeed not a crutch.

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    Sarah Rivera 5 years ago from San Diego, Ca

    With all due respect,

    I believe Mr. Davis does not mean any harm by his article. We should not discard the validity of his statements based on his ethnicity. If he was of Hispanic descent would his statements be treated with the same regard?

    I am of Mexican descent. I grew up in a crime-infested and economically-disadvantaged environment (A.K.A. the ghetto). I have 8 siblings. We were on welfare. My mom dated convicts. She had money to send to her boyfriend but she didn’t have any money to pay the bills or buy food. Throughout my childhood, my siblings and I visited several prisons. No prison-affiliated entity helped my family while my mom’s boyfriend was in prison. We were alone in our struggle against poverty. (I learned first hand that dating inmates is a bad idea.)

    I have seen parents dress their young children in gang attire and show them gang hand signals. When I was visiting my friend, her son tried showing me the “gang handshake” that was shown to him by his father. He was also using gang terminology when referring to Nortenos. Unfortunately, this may cause a problem later.

    I believe all people are capable of changing their lives. There are several programs available to help people pay for college. Instead of wasting energy blaming the “white man,” “the system,” or any other entity take that conviction and use it productively. Because I speak proper English and dress well, I’ve been accused of being a “sell out” by several of the people I grew up with. Luckily, my family has always supported me and all my endeavors.

    Being Mexican, Chicano, Latino, etc. is not about listening to a particular type of music, being affiliated with a particular group, or talking Spanglish. It’s about educating ourselves and being productive members of society. How can we do that when we are teaching our children that crime and violence is appropriate behavior?

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    toothfary 5 years ago

    yes lets all unite jajajaj that will never happen... i wish...

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    The MAN 5 years ago

    We SHOULDN'T FIGHT EACH OTHER ALL MEXICAN,HISPANIC,CHICANO SHOULD UNITE AND FIGHT AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT THERE THE ONES KILLING ARE PEOPLE,!!!!

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    Terry B. Davis 6 years ago

    chris, thank you for your comment. The only thing that I have to say is simple and too the point. It has been my lifelong experience that we, as human beings tend to judge people by ourselves. If a person cheats on their spouse, they will believe that their spouse is cheating on them. If a person lies, then they believe that everyone else also lies.

    So by reading your comments it is evident on what basis you judge me and any other person or group. Oh, just for your edification going by the definition in the 1700 and 1800 hundreds I would have been considered black.

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    Chris 6 years ago

    Amerikkka was founded on the genocide of m people & they are the biggest terrorists in the world.

    I saw your bit on Somoli pirates. You know what "We" should do? Nothing because Amerikkka is hypocritical. You accuse Africa of genocide but the US was FOUNDED on it!

    In conclusion, Mexicans who have Indian blood have way more right to be here than any pilgrim such as yourself no matter what your constitution says.

    Iroquois pride!!

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    Chris 6 years ago

    Man, all that shit police say about gang members being involved in 90% of crime is bullshit. They make it look like black & latinos are responsible for most crimes in the US but actually most serial killers are white & 52% of rape is committed by white males.

    Terry you sound like a cop and if that's the case I got no love for you. Y'all act like you're out to protect the community but that's a lie. The cops were created in the US to catch runaway slaves and to protect big rich properties from poor people. They just tell the public that they are there to "Protect & serve" to keep them from rising up against them. Every time black & hispanic communities tried to do something positive independent of pigs, they get arrested. Ever hear of COINTELPRO? That's why the pigs to me are the same as the KKK and you got minorities in your ranks so that you can use body politics and say you ant no racists.

    But they are usually self hating. As for me, I'm a Crip but I also got a strong dislike for Surenos because I can say one thing about them that is not any instigation of any gang beef on here this is just a fact: They are racist.

    They've been shooting black people that aren't even affiliated! & La Eme is affiliated with A.B. so they're also sellouts o their own people.

    You sound like ah typical representation of the white race. Sit there and oppress communities of color, but then knock them when they kill each other. Even though its people like you, who got "Informants and people on the streets" that destroyed most of the civil rights groups & fucked up the alliance between the Crips & Bloods.

    You guys kept it going.

    Also "Racists in every race" So what? This country still puts power in the hands of rich white men & only sometimes can a person of color get that too. Obama is NOT a black man.

    Malcolm X was a black man!

    To any Nortenos on here I respect y'all you tie your hair back keep it long, as is the Native style and I respect my brothers & sisters of the Aztec people, they are fellow red & brown men.

    But as for the cops, they kill a guy, like they did that Native wood carver in Seattle John T Williams or that black man who owned the store in the Bay, Oscar Grant.

    The fact is, you guys are not only representations of a racist institution but you also are seemingly abmove the law. You think that if somebody murders one of you that's somehow worse than our lives?

    Well, I say BS. I spit on the grave of every policeman because I don't owe them a thing and every cop I ever met was a bully. & just like any bullies, they need to be stood up to and put in their place. Y'all are gangsters too but you have the law on your side. That's the only REAL difference.

    Officer friendly is a myth, an act at best.

    To see what I'm talking about read Our Enemies In Blue by Kristian Williams.

    Your lives are not more important and there are plenty of jobs far more dangerous so that's another thing cops blow out of proportion.

    I'd hate them just as much if they were in my family.

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    Terry B. Davis 6 years ago

    Norte Pride, As i have told a lot of gang members that were on parole. Work, Home and Family is the key to leading a productive life and too get off parole.

    I am glad to hear your comments, taking responsibility for ones own life is the ultimate form of freedom.

    Good Luck to you and your family.

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    Norte Pride 6 years ago

    I am a Norteno who lives in Bakersfield, which is a city of Surenos....I moved here for my work and stick mostly to myself and my family. I am not trying to establish anything here but a better life. During my stay here I have met other ENEZ here...we do chill from time to time, but for the most part I ride solo because in all reality all I trust is God and the man in the mirror. I paid my dues and my debts, these days I live a peaceful private life....

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    ((530)) 6 years ago

    u don't understand what we do to protect are own i will always be down to smash on a scrap i have hate for the x3 i live XIV till i die

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    southsider 6 years ago

    These nortenos are dumb and confused. Before nf started there was the eme it was mainly made of southern californians but only very few northern californians. Like all prison gangs you got to earn your way in but the northern californians didn't want to put in work for the mexican race so they decided to form a gang. In order to fully develop the nf they had to hide behind the blacks that's why the northerners are influenced by blacks. If the nf didn't hide behind the blacks there would be no way they would survive in prison. Surenos have a lot of pride in our raza that's why all our tattoos we earn in prison are based on the aztec culture. To these lame busters there is no cause! Gangs are based on race that's why they were created and that's why they came from prison where all the racism happens. Nortenos aint even raza your whole theory is based on northern california not the culture that us surenos fight we take a lot of pride of our ancestors and aztec culture. Oh yeah girls in gangs don't count because if they turn into snitches you can't kill them because then with the older homies your no good.

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    Terry B. Davis 6 years ago

    Eyes wide open,

    Thank you for your comment. Communication promotes understanding, and assists us in seeing that all people have the same wants, needs and desires. The main differences is how we decide to go about fulfilling those wants, needs and desires. I believe that after a certain age we all must take responsibility for our lives and where we are. Wrongs done to us are stumbling blocks to test our resolve, do we quit, or do we adjust our methods and continue too our goals? Do we respect the rights of others, do we protect those rights for others and ourselves by our actions? When we stand in judgement how will we answer the question, what had you done in your life to help others?

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    EYES WIDE OPEN 6 years ago

    DEAR TERRY LOOKING AND LISTENING TO ALL THE COMMENTS. MADE ME REALIZE HOW MUCH ABUSE YOU ARE TAKING I ALSO REALIZE THE GOOD THIS IS DOING. TERRY PLEASE FORGIVE SOME OF MY BROTHERS AND SISSTERS FOR THE FOUL LANGUAGE AND DISRESPECTFUL COMMENTS.AND TO ALL OF U LIKE TU-PAC SAYS I'ANT MAD AT YA.BUT SOME OF TERRYS COMMENTS THAT U FIND OFFESIVE IS JUST HIS OPPINION. NOTHING MORE NOTHING LESS WE ALL HAVE THAT RIGHT AND TALKING IS BETTER THAN SHOOTING BELIEVE ME NONE OF YOU ARE WEAK BY JUST TALKING ABOUT PROBLEMS BUT INTELIGENT. BECAUSE YOU ARE GIVING YOUR TRUE FEELINGS AND WHERE YOU COME FROM AND WHAT IT IS REALLY LIKE ON THESE STREETS AND IN THESE HOODS THAT AT ONE TIME IN ARE LIVES MANY OF US HAVE TO EXPERIENCE. I HAVE A FEELING EVEN TERRY HAS EXPERIENCED SOME OF WHAT WE HAVE AND WE SHOULD LOOK AT HIM AND SAY IF HE COULD DO IT I CAN. WE ARE ALL GODS PEOPLE AND WITH DOING GOOD FIRST THEN COMES TRUST AND TODAY'S WORLD IF YOU LOOK AROUND WE DNT HAVE MUCH OF THAT.SO THAT TELLS US WE NEED TO WORK ON SOME GOOD FIRST SO WE CAN TRUST.(PEACE TO EVERYONE)

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    Terry B. Davis 6 years ago

    Eyes wide open, thanks for your comment. There are racists in ever race, hopefully they will learn to judge people by their character, not their color. I hate to cit this short but, my computer is down and i am not good at using the keypad on the phone. I will continue this later.

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    EYES WIDE OPEN 6 years ago

    CALMATE EXCELLENT POINTS AND CONGRATS ON ALL YOUR SUCCESS IN YOUR EDUCATION.BUT YOU KNOW GANGS ARE SUCCESSFUL AND WILL ALWAYS BE. MY COUSIN WAS AT CHURCH WITH HIS GIRLFRIEND WHICH IS WHITE AND THEY WERE THERE SITTING LISTING TO THE SERVICE WITH HIS SISTER AND HER HUSBAN WHO ARE FAIRED SKINED AND BLUE AND GREEN EYED MY COUSIN WHO IS SERVING A SECOND TERM IN OUR NON RACIST MILITARY HA HA.IS BROWN SKINED ANYWAY MY POINT IS THIS THE WHITE PEOPLE BEHIND THEM WERE MAKING COMMENTS ABOUT HIM AND SAYING THINGS LIKE THEY HAVE MEXICAN PEOPLE IN OUR CHURCH NOW MR DAVIS I HOPE U R NOT ONE OF THESE KIND OF PEOPLE WHO ACTS LIKE YOU WANT GOOD FOR ALL THEN WHEN THE TIME COMES A RACIST COMES OUT OPRESSORS R THOSE KINDS.U NO WHO THEY ARE HOWEVER.THAT'S WHY GANGS ARE SO SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE NOW GANGS THAT ARE RUNNED BUY MEX/AMER.NORTENO GANGS HAVE HIGH CLASS WHITE TEENAGED KIDS SO MR TERRY EVEN YOU AND ALL RACES. HAVE TO EXPERIENCE WHAT YOU WERE ONCE SHELTERD FROM BUT IF YOU ARE TRULY A CRUSADER TO TRY TO MAKE A CHANGE I WILL HELP YOU TO TRY AND MAKE THINGS BETTER AFTER ALL THE LIFES THAT HAVE BEEN TAKING INCLUDING THE ONES COMING TO A NEIBORHOOD/STORE/SHOPING MALL.NEAR YOU.I KNOW THAT ALL SOUNDS HARSH BUT IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A DIFFRENCE WE CAN START BUY GETTING TOGETHER REALLY ANYLIZING WHAT WE CAN DO AND WHAT OTHER RACIST WE NEED TO MAKE A DIFFRENCE FOR ALL NOT JUST ARE SELFS.

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    Terry B. Davis 6 years ago

    Calmate, who exactly are the opressors? How to they opress you as an individual?

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    calmate 6 years ago

    This country just like this world was built on organized groups of people and or races

    Norteno chicano is my race I support our cause for equality orale carnales stand.up and fight back against our opressors

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    Terry B. Davis 6 years ago

    MG, thank you for your comments. You are correct to a certain extent, regarding that I can not understand the "RAZA". I was raised as an american, work hard, better yourself and your family, treat others the way you want to be treated. I have never seen myself as a race or as a WASP, but as an individual, I am myself. Regarding my race, I am a bit of everything. In my immediate family we represent several races, are proud of our heritage, but it does not define us as a person. I myself dislike the amount of control the Federal govt has over our lives, but that is another story. As far as gangs their only objective is power/control and money and fear are used to those ends. Many of the movements they have attempted to highjack and use as a tool to control those that do not do their homework. Also our views of the heroes you discussed are a bit different. I am familiar with Zapata and Chavez. Zapata was an outlaw and chavez had a good idea about bringing better working conditions to field workers, but he was bought by the Democratic party and was used to further their political ideas. The kennedy's gave him a lear jet, with pilot and fuel, and he accumulated several very nice homes. I know we may never agree on these issues, but I do enjoy the debate.

    I thank you again for your comments, and hope to hear from you again. If not I wish you the best of luck, and commend you on graduating from college.

    Again thank you and take care.

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    mg 6 years ago

    I am 24yo, completed my BA at UC Riverside, born and raised in socal, was exposed a bit to older cousins who use to rep x3 when i was young but when I entered my teens they all had passed away, dropped out the lifestyle or are in prison. I will say one thing, I enjoy Chicano Rap and Urban Culture a lot, being a member of the demographic here many youth gravitate to the urban culture around them, which in most inner cities always lends itself to gang affiliation. Beyond that however, I will explain that from many of the symbols & ethics Northern Chicanos (in a general sense, but also including active gang members/affiliates) utilize as ideological tiers for their organization(s) does differ from Southern California gang culture. In northern California, specifically in the 60's, you see many revolutionary movements formed in Northern California (i.e. the Black Panthers) as well much relocation of Mexican immigrants and Mexican-Americans to the Central Valley seeking a better life. You see the striking differences when listening to Sureno rap in contrast to Norteno chicano rap (none is on the airwaves by the way, however by no means does it mean their fanbases are small--artists such as: Darkroom Familia, LowDown, Aztec Tribe, Mr. Shadow etc), more references to civil-rights struggles, veneration of the UFW "Huelga Bird", chants of "Viva La Raza", "Brown Pride", and proletariat/working class life endeavors. As a consumer of Hip Hop music and youth (I am not gang affiliated, do not sport specific colors---however I do dress "urban"style some may say) I find this more appealing, while Sureno rap is more commonly just about criminal lifestyles, bling, women, the fast life (akin to mainstream music i.e. 50 cent, snoop dogg), which exactly mirrors what many youth mention here---how Nortenos differ from Surenos (this is the only valid point raised in this regard)...i.e. Surenos generally lack awareness of their own cultural history, are racist to those who have recently arrived from across the border etc..all these things are true to a degree, and are reflected in the styles of both genres (Sureno and Norteno rap----which is what fuels the evolution of their urban culture). I feel strongly about our heritage (indigenous roots) and the CAUSE (which the Chicano Movement of the 1960s called "LA CAUSA"---empowerment of our people), and all of these factors along with my limited exposure to witnessing the fate of my past family members allowed me to keep a high esteem of myself and my people. Gang organizations and a lot of subtle symbols and notions embedded/adopted (from other revolutionary movements) all tie in to the recruiting and growth of these addictive form of urban culture. It is their way of translating the ideas movements of the past into the only "worldly image" they know of--the streets, the hood. That is why many of us refer to it as a "Cause". Although when I say cause and venerate the UFW Huelga Bird I am re cognizant of their actual meanings and origins (La Cause of the Chicano Movement, not street warfare). I believe this at least, from my perspective, that folks such as Terry can never comprehend or feel (as San Jonero mentioned). Again this is not a "pro" comment, as I have not been involved in this lifestyle but do see many of the empowering aspects of just one part of urban culture youth phenomena. It does go a bit deeper than how I explain it I hope to empower youth of my demographic and I am glad I came across this forum as it reminded me of keeping my vision forward towards the real "Cause" (even tho I am not referring to it in a gang context, I still see the complexity of explaining this to an outsider, no matter what life experiences you've gone thru).

    For the young homies...Learn about real brown pride, our cultural heroes (Zapata, Frida, Cuauhtemoc, Chavez) and the Chicano movement. Go to Chicano Cultural events like the Annual Chicano Park Day, Pow Wows (a lot of Chicanos support native Americans), something bigger than you and a real "Cause" to empower our people.-Peace from 310 with respects to the ethics of Honor, Loyalty and Respect, which is the only thing worthy mentioning of the NF.

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    AMERICAN MEXICAN 6 years ago

    MR DAVIS SIR I THINK ITS GREAT WHAT YOUR TRYING TO DO BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE TRYING TO EDUCATE I TO HAVE WORKED SINCE AGE OF 12 GREW UP WITH A STEPFATHER AND THINGS WERNT PERFECT DID THE GANG THING FELT WAT YOUNGSTERS AND EVEN SUM OLDER MEN CALL RESPECT LOVE FAMILY ECT. WHEN I HEARD THE ONE YOUNGSTER SAY HIS FATHER WAS A COP IT WASENT A SHOCK JUST A REMINDER THAT GANGS ARE REAL AND TILL THE DAY WE CAN ALL BE PROUD OF BEING AMERICANS FIRST AND EVERY THING SECOND THEN WE WILL REALIZE GANGS ARE FOR KIDS AND PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. AND THEY ARE GOING TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO MAKE SOMETHING GOOD OUT OF NOTHING. EVEN IF ITS ONLY FOR A MINUTE. MY GRND FATHER WAS A W.W 2 VET TAUGHT US RESPECT AND SAID HE FAUGHT 4 THIS COUNTRY TO MAKE A BETTER LIFE FOR ME AND OUR FAMILY AND FOR ALL AMERICAN MEXICANS. NOT THAT HE WASN'T PROUD TO B MEX BUT HE LEFT MEXICO TO MAKE A BETTER LIFE FOR HIM AND US AND ALWAYS SAID IF YOU ARE NOT PROUD TO LIVE HERE AND THINK THEIRS A BETTER PLACE THEN GET THE HELL OUT I MEAN NO DISRESPECT TO ANYONE BUT OUR FINACES SUFFER IN THIS STATE BECAUSE PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTRIES REALIZE JUST LIKE MY GRANDFATHER THAT THE US IS GREAT AND WAT DO I DO TO BECOME A MEMBER AND THEIR BECOMING CITIZENS AND NOT JUST MEX.ALSO PEOPLE FROM GERMANY, UKRAIN, RUSSIA,PORTUGULE,JAPAN,THEIR SHOULD BE THE SAME BORDER LOCK DOWN ON THE CANADIN BORDER ASS WELL AS WATERS FROM CUBA,HATIA,PORTORICO,JAMACA, ECT.ECT.WHY IN THE NEWS IS IT ALWAYS MEXICO BECAUSE THE FOCUS IS ON US PEOPLE WAKE UP UNITE LOOK WHO ARE PRESIDENT IS WHEN A BLACK MAN CRIES HE GETS WAT EVER HE WANTS AND THIS IS BECAUSE THE WAY THEY WERE TREATED EVEN IF HISTORY SHOWS AT SUM POINT WE WERE ALL SLAVES OR TREATED LIKE ONE. WHITES ARE AT THE MURCY OF BLACKS BECAUSE THEY CAN PROVE WHAT WHITES DID TO THEM. FORGET TAKING CALIFORNIA FROM MEXICANS AND WE HAVE BEEN THE BACKBONE OF AGRICULTURE FOR CAL WE DNT COMPLAINE BECAUSE OUR PRIDE GETS THE BEST OF US PEOPLE BECAUSE WE NO WAT HARD WORK IS AND WE NO PEOPLE LIKE TERRY CANT DO THE WORK AND BE SUCCESSFUL AT IT FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME AND THAT'S WHY THEY FIND WAYS TO MAKE MONEY OTHER WAYS AND AT THE EXPENSE OF PEOPLE LIKE ME AND YOU AND EVEN IF HE IS NOT HE GOTS ME AND YOU TALKING AND HE PROBLY IS MAKING MONEY OFF US DOING IT JUST SUMTHING 2 TINK ABOUT.ALSO OTHER STATES THAT HAVE NO OTHERS EXCEPT MONG AND LAOTIONS BUT NOTICE THEY HARVEST VEG AND FRUITS THAT GO TO STORES THAT ARE PERTAINING TO THERE CULTURE AND THERE DIET THAT'S BECAUSE THEY ARE SUM WAT UNITED I SEEN WERE THEY ALL LISTEN TO A LEADER OF THERES GIVING ADVICE AND HELP AND MOTIVATION IN EVERY DAY LIFE STUGGLES AND THEY KEEP LISTENING BECAUSE IT REALLY WORKS. AND LOOK AT WHAT PEOPLE WITH LARGE SUMS OF MONEY ARE DOING WITH IT. HELPING EACH OTHER COMES WITH TRUST AND NOT TRYING TO GET OVER ON EACH OTHER ONCE WE OVER COME THAT THEN WE ARE UNSTOPPABLE AS PEOPLE AND AMERICANS AND THEN WE CAN THANK PEOPLE LIKE TERRY.

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    that guy 6 years ago

    MR TERRY B.DAVIS I have to give u credit I HOPE I DON'T OFFEND YOU IN ANYWAY BUT I FIND IT AMUSSING THAT A WHITE ABOVIOUSLY WHELTHY MALE IS TRYING TO MAKE A POINT ABOUT WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE THE IMPACT GANGS. ARE HAVING ON NOW ARE HOLE WORLD. MR DAVIS I HAVE TATTOES CAN WALK THE WALK AND TALK THE TALK IVE STAYED OUT OF THE PEN.DUE TO WATCHING AND LISTING AND WAT I CALL SELF TEACHING, SEEING FRESNO CA AND SOME USE TO BE NORTENO GANG MEMBERS BREAK OFF STARTING A STREET GANG CALLED BULLDOGS TO EACH HIS OWN. I CAN GO TO WATS CALLED SCRAP TOWN AND I CAN GO WHERE EVER I WANT TO. BECAUSE IAM WHO IAM IAM FROM EVERY WHERE. I CAN EVEN FOOL YOU IN YOUR COMMUNITY OF ALL WHITE TO ALL MY MEXICAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN GANGS OR NOT. TO VATOS WHO HAVE DONE TIME OR WHO HAVEN'T IF U R DOWN AND TRYING TO MAKE A POINT. THAT'S YOUR THING BUT IF U R TRULLY AS REAL AS SUM OF YOU CLAIM. LET NOT JUST ARE MEX.BROTHERS AND SIS.NO TO UNITE BUT ALL LATINOS I HERD TERRY GIVE PROPS. TO AN inmate WHO IS DOWN DOING TIME BROTHER I MEAN NO DISRESPECT BELIEVE ME IAM NOT SHARING WITH THIS GAVA.THE TRUE ME CAUSE HE WOULD CA CA HIS CHONES.BUT TERRY AND EVERYONE GIVING MY YOUNG RACE ADVISE TELL THEM JUST LIKE TERRYS RACE UN TILL WE PUT ARE DIFFRENCES ASIDE GET INTO BUSINESS POLITICS LIKE WE ALREADY ARE BUT MOST IMPORTANT HELPING EACH OTHER WITH A HELPING HAND WE THEN AND ONLY THEN WILL BE TRUE CHICANOS, MEXICANOS, LATINOS OR WAT EVER WE WANT TO CALL ARE SELFS.TERRY IF YOU ARE TRYING TO DO GOOD THEN ALL THE GOOD TO YOU. I NO CDC AND IT'S a MIRICLE I SEE SUNSHINE AGAIN I WANT GOOD FOR ALL MY PEOPLE LOCKED UP OR NOT BUT SOMEONE MENTIONED BORDER BROTHERS HAVE YOU EVER SEEN 3-4 FAMILYS OF BORDER BROS.LIVING ALL IN A 2 BED RM HOUSE. YOU NO WHY BECAUSE WERE THEIR FROM IS NOT ONLY FROM MEX. BUT FROM CAL-NORTHERN STATES THAT'S WAT MEX. HISTORY SHOWS SO EVERYONE ITS ABOUT HELPING OURSELFS SO WE CAN HELP EACH OTHER. AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A MEXICAN GUY GIVING US ADVISE INSTEAD OF TERRY ANY ONE WANTING TO KNOW WHO IAM I JUST WANT TO SAY I HAVE BEEN AROUND A lot OF DEATH AND REALIZE THAT DEATH IS EAZY I SEEN A PERSON MAKE ANOTHER PERSON TAKE WAT WE ALL VALUE MOST BUY JUST TALKING CRAP TO HIM CONSTANTLY. SO ITS NOT ABOUT HATING TERRY ITS ABOUT UNDERSTANDING HOW HE LIVES AND WHY HE THINKS THE WAY HE DOES. SO WE CAN LIVE IN THIS WORLD WITH HIM EVEN IF HE LIVES IN THE SUBURBS AND WE LIVE IN THE BARRIO WERE WE KNOW HOW TO SURVIVE TO MY LATINO BRO-SIS.WHEN TIMES GET RUFF GRAB YOUR RICE AND BEANS AND BE PROUD OF WHO YOU ARE CAUSE THAT'S WATS GOING TO GET YOU TO TOMORROW I LOVE ALL MY RAZA I JUST HOPE ONE DAY WE ALL CAN SAY THE SAME TO EACH OTHER A PERSON TOLD ME ONE TIME LIFE IS NOT ONLY WAT YOU MAKE IT BUT WAT YOU DO IN THIS WORLD TO MAKE IT BETTER. MUCH LOVE SHOT OUT TO SPIDER DOING BIG FED TIME FROM YOUR ONCE LIL HOMIE NOW CANT TOUCH MY BACK TO SCRATCH HOMIE ALL GOOD THOUGH GOT A GOOD GIRL TO HELP ME OUT OG. LIL.. CHANDLER.THE REST YOU ALREADY KNOW.

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    1~$ñøøpý~4 6 years ago

    Dis is to all you bitch ass pussys takin shit like terry your jest some rich ass white punk because u ask y ppl do this and why cant they see that what there doin is wrong but did u ever conceder that mybe not everyone can go to collage or live in da nice part of town i grew up in frisco and never had a dad in my life daNORTE iz my life and im fukin proud of what iz done iv spent 10years in san qenton AND would live my life all over the same way if i could because all always have my homboyz n hood to back me up no mader wat and would if i had da chance cap ur ass if could so your dumm ass codent talk shit about wat u think u now but have no clue about u fukin whit ass mutherfuker

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    elvira renee 6 years ago

    im glad i had a chance to express my opinion. it may sound childish and idiotic but i wish that one day for america to finally understand what it is doing to itself. how crippling it is to help people when we cannot even help oursleves.

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    Terry B. Davis 6 years ago

    Everyone makes choices, the reprecussions of those decissions we may or may not see, but regardless they are a result of our decissions. This country gives us the right and the responsibility for our decissions. I choose not to finish high school, or not to learn a trade, then I have limited myself, or made it more difficult for me. A child has no choice on where they are born or who their parents are. With that said, as we grow up we learn, we see others, we eventually make a decission to either be one way or the other.

    You have every right to make any statement you choose, and I have the same right. Everyone is different with different experiances and different educational levels etc...

    Our founding fathers fought wars, and they had a court system, they also fought crime.

    How many lives did your uncle destroy? How many kids looked up to him and wanted to be just like him, how many of those lives ended in tragedy. A lot of the high ranking gang members can be very charming, be good fathers, husbands and son's. But outside of that mask, they kill, steal, and plunder. Just look at the difference between how the Japanese reacted to a devastating earthquake and tusnami, as compared to this county, and others where street criminals see it as an chance to steal, rob and kill people. The 1989 the San Franciso earthquake, the first three days everyone was one people and helped each other, then after the third day, looting and stealing began, street criminals began thinking of themselves and started looking out for themselves. The same way that business, very few, but some jacked up their prices to make money on the incident.

    I also agree that we need to get back to pure capitalism, we will trade fairly with anyone, but we do not need to take sides in any other countrys internal affairs unless they harm us directly. Let Iran have weapons of mass destruction, once they have them and they make threats against our country, then we should deliver enough weapons too them to reduce them to a world of 1,000 years ago, wandering through the deserts.

    As far as having to live in a place where you have to fight to be safe, then you either fight or move elsewhere where you can live in peace and safety, that again is a choice. Remember the dust bowl in the mid-west, some people stayed to fight the dirt, others packed up, moved west, and worked the field and any other job they could find to support their family.

    This country only gives you the opportunity to succede, it does not promise success.

    My uncle grew up picing peaches and walnunts, he got to go to school only after work was done. He finished high school, worked, married, had a family and supported them. He made good choices, and worked hard and made the american dream for himself and his family.

    Why are we giving our money to support people who refuse to provide for themselves, who want someone else to do the work and give them the benefit of that work? Why do we worry about what someone else makes, instead of worring about what we make. Recently people say the rich need to pay more taxes to make it fair, really? Fair means equal, not get even. 10% of $1,000.00 is $100.00, and 10% of $200,000.00 is $20,000.00. Who paid more? answer 20,000 is more 100, but both paid 10% of what they made, it is even or fair.

    One last thing, I am obligated to help my family or neighbors if they are worthy of it. I am not responsible for others, unless I choose to be. Using other peoples money to give to people is not giving it is stealing. When an individual decides who, when and how much to give, that is giving. I have helped people, friends, and family when they deserved it. I have also refused to help those friends and family members that refused to help themselves.

    Sorry I got off track, but thank you for your comments, as i said before we may not agree, but you have the right to state your views, discussion is good I look forward to reading your hubs. These are a great way to start a discussion, learn something and appriciate other peoples points of view, even when the differ from yours.

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    elvira renee 6 years ago

    at least we agree one thing. i don't understand how you can say that those people, or gang memebers, would put themselves in that position. that is like saying you put yourself into ur "poverty stricken childhood". it is like saying a dog chose to get beat. yes i mean they may have made some bad decisions i mean look at our wonderful president. did he do half the things that he said he would? no he didn't. at all. not by a long shot. and if this is condisdered treason so speak my mind. than that is violating one of my right of freedom of speech. well i wonder what our founding fathers would say about were we are now. fighting about gangs and going into wars. it is crazy, those people out in the streets have to fight just to have a family that is even a little bit safe. it isn't fair to critze them. and if you had such a terriable childhood than shouldn't you have more compassion and understanding for those who are going through an even worse time than you? my uncle is in the mafia, he is a great family man, but you see he protects his family with his life. if that makes him wrong.

    than i don't know what is right anymore.

    maybe instead of blowing all our tax payers money in forgein countries who will never repay us, why don't we use it in our own country. that is crumbling under the pressure to be the best.

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    Terry B. Davis 6 years ago

    elvira, I agree with your comments about government, with one exception. The housing bubble which started all of the economic problems began with threats made by so called equal rights groups, that they would take lenders to court if low income people of color where not given loans. This was then jumped on by the Democratic controlled congress and senate, who allowed fannie mae and freddy mac to begin buying loans where the buyers were not meeting the guide lines for income etc... At that point the wall street people began packaging these types of loans and selling them, which eventually lead to the economic crash that effect wall street and banks. Then the democratic controlled US government and Bush set up bailouts. I believe that if a business makes bad investiments they shouls have to pay for their mistakes, period.

    You are also correct, gangs control all the activities of its members and even rumors can cost them their lives, so why would anyone place themselves in a position to be controlled and abused in such a manner?

    Excuse me, but I have worked since the age of 12 and have never been out of work for more than 2 months. I cleaned ditches, picked up garbage, was a dishwasher, gas station attendant, a sales person, stockboy, and picked strawberries. My family was not rich by any stretch of the imagination, Growing up, I had two sets of clothes, one for school and one to play in (which included shoes). When the soles of my shoes became detached we put cardboard inside and taped the sole back together. We collected soda bottles and took them to the local market to turn them in. We were poor, but my father and mother made sure that we treated others fairly and with respect, and that we respected other peoples property. We never accepted any government handouts, we worked and saved for what we needed, and delayed what we wanted til we could save for it, we had no credit, we lived in one room of my grandparents house( that was five of us), until i was 5 years old and my parents were able to save enough to buy a 2 bedroom home in a poor area. So your golden spoon theroy has no merit.

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    elvira renee 6 years ago

    our government is currupt and it disgusts me. i love how politicians think they are above the law well they arent. the people that made wall street crumble made amercia crumble deserve to be put in jail. deserve to be in PUBLIC jail. they deserve to pay the price for what they did to the economy.

    and another thing about gangs, you don't know anything unless you experience it for yourslef. seen it for yourself. done it for yourself. you have no clue what position some of these people have been put into. you may thing life as a gang member is easy. that is FAR from the truth. always having to watch your back always having to make sure to watch were u step watch who u talk to who u look at. u always have to be careful. its not an easy life. its a hard one. i give props to those who have the guts to do anything they need to do to protect and provide for their families. and all u have to do is sit there making america crumble and get billlions of dollars. sorry jerry some of us have to work for money. i suggest you start doing the same.

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    Terry B. Davis 6 years ago

    JeSterking52,

    Your comment was interesting, your statement about no government. Just remember, the governments laws also protect you and the criminal street gangs. Without the law, there would be no rights, no courts, no prisons, and the citizens would be armed and free to protect themselves and their possessions.

    Currently the law keeps many law abiding citizens unarmed and restricted from protecting themselves, families and possessions.

    What would happen the next time gangsters did a drive-by and everyone on the street was armed and had no fear of shooting back? It makes me wonder, who would survive?

    That would make a good action movie.

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    JeStErKiNg52 6 years ago

    I'm not norteno, but I am a 52Hoova. I say that people should live truly free and the gov't can shov a shottie up their ass and pull the fucking trigger. Much love to the Soldiers of the Streets. Rep yo Click. 52Hoova CRIP 4 LIFE.

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    donttrip 6 years ago

    nortenos, surenos, bloods, crips, of today are gang affliated because they think they're cool killing people. they think it makes them more of a person. don't lie. if your gang affiliated you know that you feel all big and bad when you hit fools up. i laugh at ALL GANGBANGERS because they think being a gangster or drug dealer is the only way to get through life. go to school. get a job and shut the fuck up. got no money for school? get financial aid. too lazy for school? then you're pretty much pathetic

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    Notorious 6 years ago

    If some of you are real northerners you shouldn't be on here spilling your guts and attempting to explain yourselfs to someone who isn't a factor. Unless you really care what this guy thinks. I wouldn't give him another reason to think he's better than any of us. Obviously gangs drew his attention as well.

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    David t.  6 years ago

    most norteno gang members are just pons in the game ticking to fall off the board. Its clearly seen that they are brain washed since youth.

    So cal.

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    zmilez (: 6 years ago

    This ain't rite u shouldn't b saying shit about ppl u don't even knoe

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    Terry B. Davis 6 years ago

    ChiCana, Thank you for your comments. I am sure that they will bring knowledge and understanding of the gang lifestyle and problem it represents.

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    ChiCAna_POR VIDA 6 years ago

    Heyy yoo foo!!! only cux yu talked too xome ppl that are qanq related doxentt mean!!! yu know what the fuck itt meantx to be a xoldierr, XO DONTT THINK YOU KNOW CUX YU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING N WE DON'T TO THIX TO ACT HARD WE DON'T GOTTA ACT HARD! XO DON'T GET IT COUNFUXED OLD AS GRANDPA! N WE DON'T XALE DRUGX TO OUR KIDX ONLY CUX YU DO IT DON'T MEAN WE DO XO DON'T B TALKING THAT YU KNOW CUX YU DON'T KNOW XHYTT!!! NORTE POR VIDA E$$J

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    iloveyou5 6 years ago

    simple truth!

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    Terry B. Davis 6 years ago

    Nightmare, what you claim to have done doesn't really matter. What i have done or haven't done is my business that I deal with on a daily basis.

    Gangs affect my community and I will put my nose where ever it needs to be to protect law abiding citizens and community members from lawless thugs who believe might makes right.

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    NIGHTMARE 6 years ago

    Well all i have to say is that famly comes first for Nortenos then the gang and u haven't been out in the real world like we have and garrentee u never will be. have u been stabbed or shot at or not even shot at but actully shot gareentee u haven't i have tho and iam lucky to bee alive. u need to keep ur nose out of business that doesn't concern u Terry B. Davis

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    iloveyou5 6 years ago

    Well said!!!

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    Terry B. Davis 6 years ago

    Hm, your doubt's have nothing to do with fact.

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    Hm 6 years ago

    For some reason I highly doubt that's your actual picture..

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    Terry B. Davis 6 years ago

    . Then re-send it stupid.

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    6 years ago

    lie. With this one it will be 4 that i have posted only 3 are up i wonder why?

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    lilbro1214 6 years ago

    It's funny how u think u cool walk-in down the street then a. An suv pull up full of scraps and they pull out them aks that shit ain't cool I've lost over30 Homies and all I can say is I'm glad I'm out I'm still a youngster but Ive seen Shit I was down but luckily I got out so think real quick before ya join and this man terry he's cool listen to him. He may not have witnessed Shit in person but he knows Wat happened. Rip hay zeaus

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    Terry B. Davis 6 years ago

    . Two were received and two where posted.

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    6 years ago

    why didn't you post my other comment terry it had no shoutouts it followed all the guidelines?

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    707 6 years ago

    blinks stay out this conversation you don't know any thing bout living in the hood

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    6 years ago

    you don't shit about the hood you can sit here and talk all this stuff but from the way you talk i can tell if you did you would be saying we need more programs to keep kids focused and on the right path keeping them away from drugs gangs and all that what you think is there already around them go ahead and let em kill were gonna get em its like watching your kid draw on the wall and then getting him in trouble if you really gave a fuck you would try and strive for programs that like i said would help people out and yea i am racist fuck you high class white folk because most lower class like myself white folk bang just like other homeboys no diffrence just because of their skin color you aint hood you never were if you were you would understand the reasons why people do what they do and act like they act so TERRY B DAVIS FUCK YOU and no i aint american im mexican american to be more specific CHICANO