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Oklahoma State Legislature to Require All Businesses to have Anti-Abortion Signs in their Bathrooms

Updated on December 14, 2016
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Larry Rankin attempts to discern the logic, or lack thereof, in various, topical social issues.

“Oklahoma plans to force hospitals, nursing homes, restaurants and public schools to post signs inside public restrooms directing pregnant women where to receive services as part of an effort to reduce abortions in the state.

The State Board of Health on Tuesday approved regulations for the signs. Businesses and other organizations will have to pay an estimated $2.3 million to put up the signs because the Legislature didn’t approve any money for them,” according to the ABC News website.

When does life begin? A very interesting philosophical debate.
When does life begin? A very interesting philosophical debate. | Source

An Overview of the Abortion Debate

A friend of mine who wasn’t afraid to make waves and who has long since left this godforsaken, conservative hellhole called Oklahoma was fond of wearing a t-shirt that said the following: “I’m not pro-choice. I just like killing babies.”

To me this shirt, satirically speaking, really sums up the whole abortion issue. For those of you not adept at reading between the lines, the shirt is saying that nobody, at least nobody of substance, really just loves the abortion process. Whether you are pro- or anti-abortion, nobody is going to happily explain, “I didn’t want the kid, so we just had it rooted out! Thank God for modern medicine!”

Abortion is a consequence chosen by some that none take lightly. In that vein, and possibly only that vein, both sides are of a similar mind. Those associated with the Liberal Movement are more apt to choose pro-choice, because they feel more human suffering will result from unwanted children starving in the streets. Those associated with the Conservative Movement are more apt to want to protect unborn fetuses because of a belief that destruction of such organic material is the equivalent of murder and this cannot be overlooked.

Unlike so many issues in society today, this debate has no clear-cut winner. The opinions of both sides have merit.

Personally, I, a Liberal, believe abortion is a nasty business, and though I’m not sold either way, I lean more toward this procedure being murder than not. That said, as things are, I still support abortion being legal opposed to children suffering and starving to death in the streets, which is exactly what would happen if abortion were made illegal in the current climate, and all the while the extremely wealthy would take advantage by being able to underpay the desperate surplus workforce.

Set forth a system where the youth of America are educated about sex from the onset of puberty. Make birth control available free to all without question. Return support to financial aid systems that have long been choked out and made ineffective by the extremely wealthy. Then and only then might we collectively as a society entertain making certain types of abortion illegal.


Oklahoma is in the news for embarrassing leadership again.
Oklahoma is in the news for embarrassing leadership again. | Source

Analysis of Oklahoma's New Legislation

And back to the recent, asinine plans of Oklahoma, through enforcement by the State Legislature, to force businesses to buy signs out of their own pocket that support the anti-abortion movement.

My first reaction to this was to have the breath knocked out of me by the stupidity of the powers-that-be here. For those of you unfamiliar with the practices in this state, this is something which any rational thinking human in Oklahoma can expect to have happen to them at least twice a day.

My second reaction was to remind myself that, yes, abortion is still legal in Oklahoma, as I believe it is in all states. I know this because our unscrupulous Governor, Mary Fallin, has chosen to shoot down initiatives to make abortion illegal. Why? A good question. She has never been made to answer this question in a sensible manner, but I believe it is because she knows that once an issue switches from the offensive to the defensive you are no longer in a position of power.

In other words, most conservative elected officials are secretly more supportive of legalized abortion than even some liberals, because they feel they will ultimately lose influence if the movement succeeds. If they were to simply bring it to a vote in Oklahoma, abortion would be made illegal in a walk. Yet they never do.

But I digress. The significance of this is that the state of Oklahoma intends to force Oklahoma businesses to publicly endorse a political agenda that isn’t supported by law. Think about it. Abortion is legal. While supporting unfit mothers carrying children to term is not illegal, how can businesses be forced by law to take this stance against established legislation?

I’ll give another example. There is a wonderful restaurant down the road from me. I eat there with my family often. The owners are staunch Catholics. Every extra penny they make goes to a Catholic mission whose purpose is to do away with abortion. Allusions to their agenda of abolishing abortion can be found throughout their business. They choose to do this! They choose to spend money on this cause!

Can you still not see the preposterousness, the absurdity of not only the state forcing a business to publicly support a political agenda that is not supported by state law, and on top of that, making them pay for the privilege, but the additional possibility that the owners of this business may be anti-abortion?

Whether you are pro- or anti-abortion, I hope you can see how the enforcement of this law goes against the very principles that this country was founded upon. No matter how you look at this initiative, it is wrong.

Let’s look at it yet another way: Would this idea even be considered in the most Liberal of states if the laws were inverse of this? For example, if abortion were illegal in the state of California, do you honestly think their State Legislature would push through a law that said all businesses were required to post in their bathrooms a list of all the states where expecting mothers could get their abortions legally? The answer to that question is no. And in a state ran by Liberals, the answer to the question of if the businesses would have to foot the bill themselves is an emphatic no!


Religion is a strong governing factor in the thinking of many regarding this issue.
Religion is a strong governing factor in the thinking of many regarding this issue. | Source

Opinion

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A Final Plea for Sanity

Can we please just understand as a society the difference between sound political strategy and crazy? I understand the anti-abortion movement. I even sympathize with certain aspects of it. With the exceptions of abortions to save a mother’s life and in cases of molestation, incest, and rape, it is even a movement with logical motivations, but the movement’s efficacy doesn’t justify a state taking away people’s rights and telling them what they have to think! That’s never the right answer, regardless of whose side you’re on!

Oklahomans, I plead with you, learn how to spot crazy when you see crazy! This is not a victory for the anti-abortion movement!! This is a victory for mind-control!!!

Abortions by State Per Capita

State Rank
Per 1,000 Women of Bearing Age
1. New York
30
2. Delaware
28
3. Florida
26
4. Nevada
23
4. Rhode Island
23
5. Kansas
21
7. Oregon
20
7. Washington
20
9. Connecticut
19
9. New Jersey
19
11. Massachusetts
18
12. North Carolina
17
12. Georgia
17
12. Illinois
17
15. Hawai'i
16
15. Texas
16
17. Ohio
15
17. Virginia
15
19. Tennessee
14
19. Minnesota
14
19. Pennsylvania
14
19. Alabama
14
23. New Mexico
13
23. Montana
13
23. Michigan
13
26. Vermont
12
27. Louisiana
11
27. Arkansas
11
27. Maryland
11
27. Nebraska
11
31. Oklahoma
10
32. Iowa
9
32. Indiana
9
32. Maine
9
32. North Dakota
9
32. Wisconsin
9
37. Arizona
8
37. South Carolina
8
39. Utah
7
40. Missouri
6
40. Mississippi
6
40. South Dakota
6
40. West Virginia
6
44. Colorado
5
45. Kentucky
4
46. Idaho
3
Information not available for California, New Hampshire, Alaska, and Wyoming. Information courtesy of Statemaster.com.

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      Larry Rankin 10 months ago from Oklahoma

      Lawrence: that's the central point I'm trying to make here. Regardless of your stance, this isn't a sensible strategy.

      Thanks so much for the thoughtful comments.

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      Lawrence Hebb 10 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Larry

      Last year a friend of mine finally succumbed to the illness his parents were told would kill him within a week of his birth, he was forty two years old. His illness was Spina bifida which meant he was wheelchair bound, but otherwise loved life.

      As you can guess, I don't support abortion in any form, but I do think what the State of Oklahoma is doing is a 'cheap trick to make them look good in the conservative eyes!

      Lawrence

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      Larry Rankin 11 months ago from Oklahoma

      Kathleen: always such a pleasure to hear from you. Thanks for the kind sentiments. I wish health and happiness to you and yours as well.

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      Kathleen Cochran 11 months ago from Atlanta, Georgia

      Larry: I'm actually grateful cooler heads prevailed. I've run out of my allowance for suffering fools for the year. Hope to do better in 2017. Merry!

      Hope your wife has an easy delivery with her second. I was in the hospital with my second for only 30 minutes (then 10 hours with my third!) Blessings on your house.

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      MizBejabbers 11 months ago

      Definitely LOL, Larry, but I appreciate your appreciation.

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      Yes Dear 11 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      lol larry

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      Larry Rankin 11 months ago from Oklahoma

      MizBejabbers LovemyChris: agape love sounds fine in theory, but it's when another orifice is agape and talking that the air really starts to stink:-)

      I appreciate you so much. Unlike some, you add a level of intelligence to the conversation.

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      Larry Rankin 11 months ago from Oklahoma

      FlourishAnyway: your point is so eloquently exemplified.

      You know, I can't help but think if the true agenda were to stop abortions that we would just really educate folks and offer free birth control. Then it would make the whole thing moot, except for the abortions that we will hopefully always have to save women's life.

      Seriously, just how much hatred do you have to have for women and women's rights to say, "Yes, we know having this baby will kill you, and we know the baby will be born dead, because it's dead already, actually. But we're gonna make you have it anyway. Hey, on the bright side the sepsis of having all that dead organic material may kill you first!"

      I appreciate you so much. Unlike some, you add a level of intelligence to the conversation.

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      Larry Rankin 11 months ago from Oklahoma

      Kathleen: I just wanted to clarify, I have nothing against the language you used in your last message, but I treat this site like network television, which is my understanding of the rules.

      It's silly, I know, but I want to respect my perception of the rules of the site. Sometimes I fall short myself, btw.

      I appreciate you so much. Unlike some, you add a level of intelligence to the conversation.

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      Larry Rankin 11 months ago from Oklahoma

      DTMB: well there you go saying words again with know thought to they're order or meaning, and it's not like I don't have some leanings both ways, but you sure help to solidify my liberal preferences.

      Some things are just filler to help pay the bills.

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      Larry Rankin 11 months ago from Oklahoma

      Kathleen and Jo: I can only imagine the pain of losing a child. My wife and I are expecting our 2nd, which is to be our last, but one never knows.

      I love children. I think there is every bit as much if not more evidence that us pro-choice folks love children. This issue is not about that. It never was, but people try to make it so.

      I appreciate you so much. Unlike some, you add a level of intelligence to the conversation.

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      Larry Rankin 11 months ago from Oklahoma

      MizBejabbers 1st comment: it is my hope that that the Oklahoma law will surely get shot down, as long as it is challenged.

      I appreciate you so much. Unlike some, you add a level of intelligence to the conversation.

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      Yes Dear 11 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      its agape love *blink**blink**blink*...isnt it wonderful?

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      MizBejabbers 11 months ago

      DTMB, it never ceases to amaze me how you always want to stir up a controversy where none exists. Jo Miller made herself clear, Roe v Wade was passed the year she got pregnant. You are always disagreeable with people if you don't agree with them, but in this case your actions are reprehensible. She owes your judgmental self no explanation.

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      FlourishAnyway 11 months ago from USA

      When my daughter was in elementary school she asked why I was a Democrat and I told her partly in jest it was because Republicans hate women. They hate equality and the freedom to choose what we do with our bodies. This proposed law in Oklahoma is an example of that. Here in Virginia they wanted the transvaginal ultrasounds prior to abortions.

      Of course, she repeated my Republicans hate women statement to all of her friends. But now I believe it more than ever. Trump the bully has never changed a diaper but will ensure that with the next Supreme Court pick Roe v. Wade is overturned. What a dark time we are living in.

      I have a diary from my husband's grandmother's mother that describes first hand the misery of growing up in a household of too many children when birth control wasn't available and her mother's tearful reactions when she found out she was pregnant yet again. Oh, the good old days.

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      Banned cause of pissants promisem and deantraylor 11 months ago from TWO OF THE MANY LYING LIB CRYBABIES OF HUB PAGES

      Yeah, about that jo miller, I'm not sure I understood your point. Was it you had the baby because abortion wasn't yet legal or because of the stigma attached to it? I wonder because you say " In my heart and in my soul I wanted only for her to live" So are you saying if abortion was legal you wouldn't have wanted the baby to live or you would have felt less heartbroken if you could have gotten an abortion? I don;t think abortion would have helped your brojken heart, at least you gave the baby a chance.

      And before bleeding heart liberals like Cochran are quick to accuse me of insensitivity I have a right to ask you to clarify your statements so I can understand, I mean since after all you brought it up.

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      Kathleen Cochran 11 months ago from Atlanta, Georgia

      jo miller: I'm so sorry for your loss. I also know what it is to lose a baby. It is personal and nobody should be involved in your experience other than you and your family.

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      MizBejabbers 11 months ago

      It is unconstitutional. Larry, I’m a legal editor, and on a daily basis, I see crap like this being introduced and shot down or sometimes actually passed. When it does pass, it is usually ruled unconstitutional by a district court before it ever gets to the Supreme Court. This is a violation of the civil rights of the owners of private businesses -- and their customers who have the right of freedom from harassment. This law says that individuals don’t have rights under the constitution, but that only people of a certain mindset do.

      Speaking of certain mindsets, I just hope it doesn’t give any fresh ideas to representatives Rapert and Mayberry in my state. They are the religious nuts who are trying to force their beliefs on the rest of us. I predict that this, too, shall pass, but not without some labor pains.

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      Larry Rankin 11 months ago from Oklahoma

      JG: what I love about you is that you get it. We don't have to agree completely 100% to enjoy one another's company. That's the way the world should be.

      Thanks again for the intelligent conversation.

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      Jack Shorebird 11 months ago from Southeastern U.S.

      I think one's right to hold different opinions is the "glue." Not that we agree to disagree, but a bit deeper. We agree to stick it out, in this hellacious marriage -- an experiment, if you will -- called America. An idea, not a place.

      Keep up the great writing Larry. My Hemingways etc., are accumulating dust.

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      Larry Rankin 11 months ago from Oklahoma

      Don't Taze Me: even if it is murder, it's still more humane than the alternative.

      If we want to debate when life begins, we can go on and on. I'll say this, it doesn't take long for the fetus to start responding to stimuli and really start acting, well, human.

      But take something like the morning after pill, I'm really apt to agree with JG. There is no sign of intelligent life by that point of the pregnancy.

      But you conservatives, aren't you the same folks want to take human lives, undisputed human lives, for something as frivolous as trespassing on your land?

      But the biggest point of this whole article is not the abortion debate, but the silliness of these new Oklahoma laws requiring businesses purchase anti-abortion propaganda.

      Don't Taze Me, do you at least understand the fallacy of that logic. If we can't at least come to a common ground on that topic, then there's no helping you.

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      Larry Rankin 11 months ago from Oklahoma

      Billy: garbage is a good descriptive here.

      Thanks for dropping by.

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      Larry Rankin 11 months ago from Oklahoma

      Mel: regarding the new Oklahoma law it is absolutely a freedom of speech topic. You don't make people support a political agenda and force them to pay to do so.

      Abortion is nasty business and I would like that nobody have them, with exception to those few scenarios I mention at the end of the article. (If it is likely going to kill the mother, etc., then by all means have them.)

      But I can't see supporting anti-abortion when we insist on keeping our population ignorant and not being willing to support unwanted children as a society.

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      Larry Rankin 11 months ago from Oklahoma

      Jo Miller: on a side note, I can't help but notice you're from Tennessee. A state that went like 70+% Trump. I feel for you. Being from Oklahoma, I know what it's like to have one's sensible ideas blotted out by crazy. Sometimes, in the midst of that, it's hard to keep one's sanity.

      Thank God for the beautiful mountains and rivers. At least there's that for now.

      But I digress. Government telling us what we are to think. That is the line that has been crossed.

      To better days. May they find us.

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      Larry Rankin 11 months ago from Oklahoma

      Kathleen: such a wonderful overview. There is every evidence that a significant sect of pro-life even hates women. A whole life. A starved dead baby or child outside the womb is far sadder than a humanely disposed of fetus inside.

      As for the "thank goodness for modern medicine," statement. It was a sarcastic one, but I'm sure you got that.

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      Larry Rankin 11 months ago from Oklahoma

      JG Shorebird: just a wonderfully thought out response. It echoes one of many of my main points. Namely: abortions are a sad thing. Pro- or anti-abortion, they are a sad thing.

      As for murder or not, I just don't know, but I do know it is often times the most humane alternative.

      The Oklahoma law is beyond ridiculous. It is an abomination, regardless of how you feel about abortion.

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      Yes Dear 11 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      yeah, i know......its always the same. sacrifice women to climb the pyramid.

      and hes so blatant. gay marriage is ok, cause supreme court has ruled. but abortion? throw those broads under the bus.

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      Larry Rankin 11 months ago from Oklahoma

      Lovemychris: I, too, share your negative outlook. I'm trying to be more positive. If we look at history, there is evidence that people do eventually wise up. Maybe this is what we need to finally catapult us into an age of reason?

      On a side note. Trump has been pro-choice his whole life. It is only recently in this election where it benefitted him that he changed his tune.

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      Jack Shorebird 11 months ago from Southeastern U.S.

      Dont Taze Me Bro --

      Human life begins outside of the whom, not before. Until then, the mother can do what she wants with the fetus -- a potential human life. Embryos are not humans. The fetus belongs to the parent, not you or anyone else. Once a human is born -- exits that whom alive, it has human rights. A right to live. Not before then. Until that time, the mother's right to her life and every piece of protoplasm within it, is her's to do what she wants. Unless you choose to hold that mother down and forcibly remove the potential human at the point of a gun, before she has time to abort it. And what does that make you? A Savior or a Slaver?

      If people like you try to enslave the rest of us, the very next thing will be the sperm and egg laws. Pre-potential humans. If you can say that human life begins at conception, why can I not say that 1/2 a human life begins at ejaculation? I want 1/2 rights for all Sperm donors? And eggs layers of the world --Unite! Absurd. Just as it is to postulate that human life begins at conception. Prove it.

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      Banned cause of pissants promisem and deantraylor 11 months ago from TWO OF THE MANY LYING LIB CRYBABIES OF HUB PAGES

      btw jgshorebird, how do you get a human life from an egg or a sperm? NO intelligent person would equate human life as either an egg alone nor a sperm alone. Conception of a human life begins with the uniting of the two which creates the Human embryo, which IS a human being. An egg or a sperm are not human beings, never were and never alone could be.

      Let me ask you this, if you had died in your mother's womb what would you be now?

      You'd be dead, there is no other rationalization. Or are you going to claim that wasn't you who died in your mother's womb?

      Civilized people would have buried your fetus in a cemetery, not a medical wastes garbage can or cut you up to sell your parts.

      Were I to break into the sanctity of your home and kill your new born baby in the nurturing safety of it's crib and then discard it into the street would you say I was a murderer? You would.

      How is that any different from killing that same baby in the nurturing safety of the womb and "sanitarily" ripping it from the womb to be discarded?

      Medical procedures don't determine what is and isn't murder.

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      Banned cause of pissants promisem and deantraylor 11 months ago from TWO OF THE MANY LYING LIB CRYBABIES OF HUB PAGES

      jgshorebird Maybe you should be telling that to Larry because he, a liberal, says he leans toward the fact that it is.

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      Yes Dear 11 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      here is the perfect example of what you fundies do. YOU think it is murder of a child. i say it is removal of a fetus. and as it is happening in a stranger's body, id love to know why its any of your biz whatsoever.

      on the other hand, accidents and deliberate firing of guns DO kill human beings, and these are somehow sanctioned by god?

      god gave child bearing to women. women have been aborting fetuses since humanity began, and they wont stop now.

      god trusts women with birth, why dont you?

      fundies: we know better than god!

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      Jack Shorebird 11 months ago from Southeastern U.S.

      Don't Taze Me Bro --

      Abortion is not murder. That is the point. To remove a potential human is discarding protoplasm. Opinions are not factual. Facts are.

      Murder is when you kill an actual human -- one not in a whom. Until a human is born, he/she has no rights -- no right to life. You can generally see these humans walking around, without the use of a sonogram.

      If abortion is murder, then so is donating eggs and sperm. If the Sperm bank discards donations in the dumpster, they should be tried for 1/2 human murder, right?

      And what about abrasions? If I fall and abrade my skin and lose some tissue, tissue that could potentially be cloned and produce a complete human -- along with an egg -- then shouldn't I be tried for pre-murder?

      You missed the point entirely. You have no right to force mothers to term or to stop them from choosing not to lay their eggs.

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      Banned cause of pissants promisem and deantraylor 11 months ago from TWO OF THE MANY LYING LIB CRYBABIES OF HUB PAGES

      So Larry, although you "believe abortion is a nasty business, and though ...not sold either way... lean more toward this procedure being murder than not" you are happy to then accept still supporting abortion being legal opposed to children suffering and starving to death in the streets?

      See this is how you.. liberals, raise a straw man to rationalize a position. Murder is murder all the while trying to seem sympathetic to it being murder solely because you think it is distasteful and gee a liberal can't be seen as approving of something so distasteful. Both abortion and children suffering and starving to death in the streets are murder, both are equally distasteful. Murder in any form is not acceptable, period.

      To begin with abortion is definitively murder, there is no chance for survival. Giving birth to an unwanted baby is not murder and all unwanted babies do not wind up "suffering and starving to death in the streets". There is adoption and many unwanted children have gone to wonderful families and lived successful and prosperous lives even affecting the quality of life for millions of people.

      https://showhope.org/2014/03/10/30-famous-people-a...

      I find it extremely distasteful to sentence all those "originally unwanted births to death in the womb.

      As a liberal, if you really want to be seen as compassionate you should be generally opposed to abortion (debatably there are exceptions related to health) equally as to neglect of children of unwanted births and dedicated to any and all alternatives to murdering a baby in the womb and providing a way for it to survive and prosper. The duty of our government isn't to destroy human life but to preserve it and protect it's alienable rights to a life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, rights according to natural law,rights that cannot be taken away, denied, or transferred.

      On average, women give at least 3 reasons for choosing abortion: 3/4 say that having a baby would interfere with work, school or other responsibilities; about 3/4 say they cannot afford a child; and 1/2 say they do not want to be a single parent or are having problems with their husband or partner (AGI).

      Only 12% of women included a physical problem with their health among reasons for having an abortion (NAF).) These figures demonstrate even the mothers of these babies have NO concern for the fact their baby is a human life, to them this innocent baby is simply and inconvenience they can legally get rid if - to me there is nothing more distasteful than their attitude toward a human life, they are murderers of the worst kind, killing the innocent.

      If we as a society are going to continue to sanction murder of the innocent, TOTAL ABORTIONS SINCE 1973, 58,586,256*Excludes NH, CA and often at least one other state. Black women were 3.75 times more likely to have an abortion in 2013 than white women (CDC) we are not the country our founders wanted us to be.

      When our government prints trillions of dollars willie nillie much of which is simply wasted you can;t tell me they couldn't solve the problem of unwanted children dying in the street of starvation, really that's your argument for sanctioning murder?

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      Bill Holland 11 months ago from Olympia, WA

      I don't have words for this garbage...not your writing, but the topic. The time to fight this President is now, and constantly, for the next four years.

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      Mel Carriere 11 months ago from San Diego California

      Although I often support progressive issues, I lean toward the anti-abortion platform. I have heard die-hard abortion supporting females cry "it's my body!" but I can't help but think the fetus is shouting the same thing as he dodges the proverbial coat hanger.

      That being said, I agree that this law is a free speech issue, and I am passionate about free speech more than anything. I also loved your observation about anti-abortionists using the issue as a means of maintaining power. It is also a smokescreen that these same politicians hide behind as they enact anti-worker legislation while the minimum wagers they work against cheerfully continue to vote for them based on abortion alone.

      A fine breakfast platter filled with food for thought on a Wednesday morning.

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      Yes Dear 11 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      when they overturn it, its done. look how long it took them to get here....since 1973 they have been at it. we will not get it back any time soon.

      this is why they refused to let obama pick the supreme court nominee. this is why they redistrict so only republicans win. this is why jobs jobs jobs in 2010 turned into 231 new abortion restrictions, and why trump says gay marriage is set law, but roe v wade is not.

      its all they ever care about.

      its evil, and it rules america. the fundamentalist christians, left or right. no different than fundamentalists of any religion.

      my opinion only

      the words of this country are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

      religion is making a mockery of all three.

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      Jo Miller 11 months ago from Tennessee

      I was pregnant in 1973 (the year of Roe vs Wade) with my first child. I developed complications and we were told our baby might be born with overwhelming disabilities and might not survive. In my heart and in my soul I wanted only for her to live, and when she died shortly after birth I was heartbroken.

      That year, and in all the subsequent years, as I listened to these debates about abortion, I have always been so angry when these very wrenching emotional decisions are politicized and some stranger is talking about what I should or should not have done during this time of emotional distress.

      In today's political culture, I think it may be too much to ask for sanity. We just elected Donald Trump as President. I'm afraid we're in for a long stretch of crazy. Let's just hope it doesn't last too long.

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      Kathleen Cochran 11 months ago from Atlanta, Georgia

      "Thank God for modern medicine!” Abortions aren't a result of modern medicine. They've been around since time immemorial. What modern medicine has brought us is the ability to see a picture of a baby in the womb. If you take an internal picture of a pregnant dog you'll see the same movement and response to pain. Does that mean that is a "life" as well?

      What a repeal of Roe v. Wade will do is increase the number of deaths of women. What happened to the PRO-LIFE resolve? I would have a lot more sympathy for that movement if they gave even the slightest evidence of the pro-lifers giving a damn about that baby once it is born. Do you care if it gets healthcare, a safe place to live, a good education, and a fair chance at making a living as an adult? That is actually being pro-life - pro-entire-life - not just birth.

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      Jack Shorebird 11 months ago from Southeastern U.S.

      Very good article. Has punch and point.

      A state has no "right" -- since society (a group) has no rights; only individuals have rights...to order signs of this nature.

      I'm for keeping Roe v. Wade -- a women's right to do what she wants with her own body. That's how I break it down. No slavery to the state.

      Is it killing? Is removing a potential human, killing? And if it is, do we -- do women -- have the right to play God with their own whom -- to not keep the protoplasm?

      Is it sad to remove a potential human? Sure. But you can't -- shouldn't -- legislate against "sadness."

      Protoplasm is not human -- only potentially so.

      The Pro-Lifers certainly have a right to "not abort" but no right to force others to follow their lead.

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      Yes Dear 11 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      roe v wade is going to be overturned as soon as trump/heritage foundation picks the next supreme court justice.

      at the same time, any gun safety regulations will be removed.

      women are already being jailed for miscarriages, and businesses and hospitals can already deny you service or a job due to their religious leanings.

      we are rapidly heading towards a christian caliphate, and police-state military rule.

      i call it the new inquisition.

      its about terror, suppression, compliance.

      and they picked a great sadistic bully to lead it.

      its all because they worship the phallus (look it up!!!) and hate the feminine.

      personally, i think its the knowledge of where power truly lies...they are jealous.

      but we all must suffer for their little boy blues...STILL

      just my opinion

      dark days ahead

      and our home, mother earth