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Planned Parenthood Abortion Clinics

Updated on April 12, 2019
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James A. Watkins is an entrepreneur, musician, and a writer with three non-fiction books and hundreds of magazine articles read by millions.

Planned Parenthood Abortion Clinics

Planned Parenthood is the largest operator of abortion clinics in the United States. It operates 820 clinics, which provide what it calls "reproductive health"—as if being pregnant were a medical problem, when in fact it means a male and female have both proved their sexual organs to be functioning just fine—and "reproductive services," which means, oddly enough, they stop reproduction.

Planned Parenthood is a rich corporation, with over one billion dollars in assets and a net profit of over eighty million dollars per year. In view of this, it seems strange that its biggest supporters are also Socialists who rail against "rich corporations" every chance they get.

Planned Parenthood would not be so wealthy and profitable if not for the fact that the federal government confiscates $350,000,000 per year from American taxpayers and gives it to Planned Parenthood. Supposedly, this money cannot be used for abortions, but it all goes into the same bank accounts and pays the same overhead. So if you believe that; I have some swampland in Florida for sale.

Margaret Sanger
Margaret Sanger

Margaret Sanger

The Founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, had a similar philosophy to that of Adolph Hitler. She founded Planned Parenthood because of her concern that inferior races would swamp the United States with their tainted offspring.

Margaret Sanger believed in eugenics—selective breeding applied to the human race—adapted from the ideas of Charles Darwin. She wrote that the genetic makeup of blacks—and also of the poor in general—was inferior and therefore they should be sterilized or their babies aborted.

Margaret Sanger described blacks and indigents both as: "Human weeds, reckless breeders, spawning human beings who never should have been born."

Concerning the rights of the handicapped, the mentally ill and racial minorities, she wrote: "More children from the fit, less from the unfit—that is the chief aim of birth control."

In 1939, Margaret Sanger started The Negro Project—an initiative to force the sterilization of black Americans. About the extermination of blacks: "We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."

Margaret Sanger fought for abortion rights for population control because "The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it."

In her magazine article "Plan for Peace," Sanger outlined her strategy to eradicate those she deemed "feebleminded."

One of Sanger's greatest influences (and her lover), sexologist/eugenicist Dr. Havelock Ellis, urged mandatory sterilization of the poor as a prerequisite to receiving any public aid. The goal of eugenicists is "to prevent the multiplication of bad stocks," wrote Dr. Ernst Rudin in the April 1933 Birth Control Review (Sanger was the editor).

Another article in the same magazine exhorted Americans to "restrict the propagation of those physically, mentally and socially inadequate."

As a sidebar, Sanger promoted adultery, writing that, "A woman's physical satisfaction was more important than any marriage vow."

There are other people who believe aborting black babies benefits society. In their book The Impact of Legalized Abortion on Crime, Berkeley professors John Donohue and Steven Levitt wrote: "Given that the homicide rates of black youth are roughly nine times higher than those of white youth, racial differences in the fertility effects of abortion are likely to translate into greater homicide reductions."

So the abortion of black babies reduces crime, which the authors claim will save us $30B annually. They predict that a reduction in the abortion of black babies will result in a crime wave eighteen years later.

A NEWBORN BABY ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BIRTH CANAL
A NEWBORN BABY ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BIRTH CANAL

Abortion Counselors

Abortion counselors—as they are called—are actually highly trained salespeople. The profit of the "pregnancy center" is solely from abortion. These abortion clinics sell the abortion to the pregnant girl 99 out of 100 times—a fantastic closing ratio.

They are trained to be both an authority figure, and the new best friend of the pregnant girl. They do not bring up keeping the baby, or allowing it to live and putting it up for adoption. Killing babies is how they make their living.

The pregnant girls are never told what the baby looks like, never allowed to see the baby via ultrasound, never told about the pain the baby will feel, nor told about the known physical, mental, and emotional damage done to the girls themselves.

It is never called a baby or even a fetus; it is called "a piece of tissue" or "a blood clot." But the most common words that come out of the mouths of girls in the recovery room are: "I've killed my baby." The smaller babies are ground up in the garbage disposal and medium-sized babies are flushed down the toilet.

Former directors of Planned Parenthood abortion clinics have testified that they were given abortion quotas to meet.

A BABY WHO ESCAPED DEATH AT THE HANDS OF ITS MOTHER
A BABY WHO ESCAPED DEATH AT THE HANDS OF ITS MOTHER

Social Liberals

The key issue for the Social Liberals of the Democratic Party is the right to exterminate babies in the womb—which they oddly call reproductive health. Though they are largely Feminists, they will defend male politicians who routinely use and abuse women—even those who would leave a drowning woman in a car—providing these men support unfettered abortion. And they will fiercely demonize the most accomplished career woman who is Pro Life.

Social Liberals believe that money should be confiscated from taxpayers to pay for this gruesome procedure, and that doctors and nurses should be forced to take part in this heinous killing against their will. 72 percent of Americans oppose their taxes being used to kill babies. But Social Liberals insist that every woman has a "right" to government funds for abortion.

African Americans represent 12 percent of the population in the United States, but 35 percent of all abortions. African American women, who are impregnated, terminate their child 43 percent of the time. As much as we hear about slavery and lynching, we don't hear much about the fifteen million black babies that have been slaughtered in the womb by their own mothers. The fact is that African Americans have long been the targets of abortion activists. The vast majority of Planned Parenthood abortion mills are in black communities.

To Pro-Abortion advocates, the providers of what they term a "sacred choice" are heroes. They hold a National Day of Appreciation for Abortion Providers, which is endorsed by the ACLU and the National Organization for Women. This is a celebration of death—funded by Ford, Hewlett Packard, Warren Buffet, and Ted Turner. Planned Parenthood is on hand to pass out free T-Shirts with the slogan "I Had an Abortion!"

A BABY BORN AT SEVEN MONTHS OF PREGNANCY
A BABY BORN AT SEVEN MONTHS OF PREGNANCY

The Clinton Years

President Bill Clinton put forth a failed universal health care bill that included taxpayer funded abortions for all women at all hospitals and clinics. This bill would have forced Christian doctors and nurses to participate in these horrifying procedures.

President Clinton vetoed legislation passed in both houses of Congress to ban partial-birth abortion. He also ordered the U.S. military to provide abortions to servicewomen, and provide funding to the United Nations Family Planning Administration, which meant American taxpayers were now killing babies around the world, particularly in China. Clinton justified this by stating that Abortion was a universal fundamental right of women worldwide.

EVERY LIVING SOUL ON EARTH STARTED OUT JUST LIKE THIS BABY WHO WAS ALLOWED TO LIVE
EVERY LIVING SOUL ON EARTH STARTED OUT JUST LIKE THIS BABY WHO WAS ALLOWED TO LIVE
EVERY HUMAN PERSON LIVING TODAY STARTED OUT LIKE THIS BABY UNLESS WE WERE KILLED FIRST IN THE VERY PLACE DESIGNED TO PROTECT US: THE WOMB OF OUR MOTHER
EVERY HUMAN PERSON LIVING TODAY STARTED OUT LIKE THIS BABY UNLESS WE WERE KILLED FIRST IN THE VERY PLACE DESIGNED TO PROTECT US: THE WOMB OF OUR MOTHER

Reproductive Health

Many undercover sting operations have been conducted, including some recently by a group known as Live Action, that have shown Planned Parenthood to routinely break federal and state laws with which it does not agree. It feels itself above the law.

Live Action released videos shot by secret camera that show more than a dozen Planned Parenthood abortion clinics in ten states breaking several laws. Live Action issued this statement:

"This body of visual evidence shows several alarming patterns of illegal Planned Parenthood activities including cover-up of sexual abuse of minors, statutory rape, the skirting of parental consent laws, citing unscientific and fabricated medical information to manipulate women to have abortions, and Planned Parenthood's willingness to accept donations earmarked to abort African-American babies."

Live Action members posed as leaders of an underage prostitution ring in Richmond, Va., and discovered a Planned Parenthood worker assuring them they'd find "no judgment, no sharing of information, like, uh, nothing here," at the clinic and explaining how they could go about getting a "judicial bypass" of abortion laws for girls as young as 14 or 15.

Federal law makes sexual trafficking of minors a crime punishable by a 10-year-to-life prison term. And anyone who aids or abets the crime can be punished as if he or she had committed the crime. Planned Parenthood is facing 107 criminal charges, including 23 felony charges

One reporter testified:

"When I walked into the Bloomington, Indiana Planned Parenthood clinic posing as a 13-year-old girl impregnated by a 31-year-old man, I knew what would happen -- because the same thing had happened in all the other Planned Parenthood clinics I had already visited. The counselor or nurse may acknowledge that she is required by law to report the abuse to Child Protective Services, but then assures me in the strictest confidence that she won't. Then she will coach me on how to circumvent parental notification laws by going out of state for the abortion, and tells me to lie about the boyfriend's age. Ultimately, I am promised an abortion and sent out the clinic door--back to the 'boyfriend'."

AN ESCAPEE FROM PLANNED PARENTHOOD'S KILLING MACHINE
AN ESCAPEE FROM PLANNED PARENTHOOD'S KILLING MACHINE

Planned Parenthood Abortion Clinics

American taxpayers provide 35 percent of the annual budget of Planned Parenthood. Another 15 percent comes from fees charged to expectant mothers to provide the abortions.

Planned Parenthood kills 360,000 unborn babies per year-- 27 percent of all the unborn babies killed in America each year. 26 percent of the females who undergo the "procedure" are teenagers.

Planned Parenthood has filed countless lawsuits against state legislatures that have passed laws restricting abortion in any way. It has fought against laws that require abortion providers to notify a child's parents before they kill the baby—even though you cannot give a child an aspirin with parental consent. It has fought against laws that require a married woman to notify—not get approval from—the father of the child that it exists and will be or has been exterminated.

It has fought against laws that require a mere 24 hour cooling off period—obviously afraid of lost revenue from females changing their minds in just one day of reflection. It has fought against laws that require a pregnant female be shown an ultrasound of what the baby looks like before they kill it. It has successfully fought and overturned the original law installed by judicial fiat by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1973 in Roe v. Wade that limited abortion to the first 90 days of pregnancy.

It has fought against laws that prohibit killing the baby if it is mature enough to live outside the womb on its own (viability).

In one of my previous Hubs I included photographs that educate the unknowing by showing aborted babies. This Hub was removed from HubPages and I was told that pictures of aborted babies was pornographic and therefore not allowed. I find it odd that the procedure is hailed as a great thing but pictures of the results of the procedure met with censorship.


My primary source for this article is the book by Anne Hendershott The Politics of Abortion, and secondarily The Marketing of Evil by David Kupelian.

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    • James A Watkins profile imageAUTHOR

      James A Watkins 

      6 months ago from Chicago

      School Girl For Real ~ Thank you for reading my piece. And I am thrilled that you are sharing it for me on your social media. I consider that high praise indeed.

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      schoolgirlforreal 

      6 months ago

      This is very informative, and the facts are horrific. Sharing on my facebook page and also on my page, "I never walk alone" on facebook.

      this is so important to know the facts, and imagine the founder being racist. Just awful, James.

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      James A Watkins 

      7 months ago from Chicago

      Riley McIntosh ~ Thank you so much for taking the time to read my article and respond. I must confess I share your view: "What blows my mind is how others just look at abortion as a way to rid the involved parties of any responsibility by committing cold blooded murder."

      Well said, my friend. I will be back on Facebook May 26th.

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      Riley McIntosh Midland Michigan 

      7 months ago

      I am always impressed with your dedication and tenacity by which you tackle your projects..I as usual am very pleased by your work.What blows my mind is how others just look at abortion as a way to rid the involved parties of any responsibility by commiting cold blooded murder

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      James A Watkins 

      7 years ago from Chicago

      WillStarr— Thank you very much for your support and encouragement. You are a good man.

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      James A Watkins 

      7 years ago from Chicago

      Is This About closet desires— I am for very limited government. But I do not agree with your claim that to oppose abortion means you must favor big government. Big government means half of all income being confiscated in various taxes. That has nothing to do with laws against the killing of the innocent. Protecting the innocent is the first job of any government—or ought to be.

      Like you, I am more Libertarian than anything. This does not mean there should be no law. And society has a vested interest in marriage law. The only type of arrangement that best creates a stable society of order and productivity and human happiness is marriage than makes a real human family: a father, a mother, and children. This is the only type of marriage society should promote through government because we all have an interest in what kind of society we live and in what kind of society our children and grandchildren will live in.

      Small government does not mean a lawless nation. Quite the contrary, small government—self-government—is only possible in a society that is on balance morally good and has high standards of virtue at least as ideals.

      You write, "I do not want my tax dollars to pay for Christian private schools." Well, I don't want my tax dollars to pay for schools that teach the religion of Secular Humanism—Atheistic Marxism. I say we eliminate public schools altogether and make all schooling private. That will save us taxpayers over ten thousand bucks per child in America and we can use that money to educate our children as befits the worldview of our families.

      I agree with you wholeheartedly about returning to Free Market economics.

      Thank you for reading my article and for your fine remarks.

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      James A Watkins 

      7 years ago from Chicago

      WillStarr— Thank you my friend. It is always good to hear from you. :)

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      WillStarr 

      7 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Ok, Is This About closet desires, so you are a libertarian and support abortion. Got it.

      This is where libertarians and I part ways, because while a woman certainly has the right to her own body, it's not her body being murdered. There are consequences to our actions, and that includes the sex act.

      Abortion is the taking of an innocent human life. Period.

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      James A Watkins 

      7 years ago from Chicago

      Is This About closet desires— No, not obsessed about anything unless . . . well, I am obsessed about the Truth.

      I certainly do not have a closet desire to kill babies—if that is what your chosen name implies.

      Thank you for visiting my Hub. I appreciate your comments.

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      Is This About closet desires 

      7 years ago

      @WillStarr

      You might be surprised to learn I am a fiscal conservative, but liberal when it comes to how people live their lives. As much as this blog talks about liberals being big government, I would also argue the conservatives are too because they want state laws banning abortions. I do not want state or federal laws about how people live their personal lives, marriage, or any of that stuff. I am voting for Ron Paul, and tired of conservatives and liberals who both love their big government, but for different reasons. You would not even have planned parenthood if we did not have so many laws about people's personal lives. For instance, I have no problems with people having an abortion with their private doctor, I just do not want my tax dollars to pay for it. On the same token, I do not want my tax dollars to pay for Christian private schools, which they go to now. Just stop using my tax payer dollars for stuff, and go back to a free market economy.

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      James A Watkins 

      7 years ago from Chicago

      moonlake— Thank you so much for the affirmation and encouragement. I am grateful to you for the voted up as well. I very much appreciate this visitation from you. God Bless You!

      James :D

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      James A Watkins 

      7 years ago from Chicago

      Dallas Karlin— Rape only accounts for 1/10th of 1 percent of all abortions. If rape is truly the issue, I think we can compromise on that.

      You ask, "do you realize how many more people would be in this world if abortion was illegal?"

      Yes. 55 million in America so far, most of whom would be paying taxes, paying into social security, loving people, and contributing to society.

      Think about it this way: we have killed off every fifth person conceived in America since the 1970s.

      There are tons of people waiting to adopt babies into good homes.

      Thank you very much for taking the time to read my article. I do appreciate your excellent comments.

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      moonlake 

      7 years ago from America

      Great hub so right about Planned Parenthood. Abortion~Stops a beating heart!~

      Voted UP.

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      Dallas Karlin 

      7 years ago

      It's a fairly one sided argument, and they didn't bring up rape situations at all either. Not only that but do you realize how many more people would be in this world if abortion was illegal, and how many more babies that would be uncared for and wouldn't get the attention they would need to grow up to be a "model" citizen...

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      James A Watkins 

      7 years ago from Chicago

      itakins— You know that I share your conviction: "All Life Is Sacred."

      Amen!

      Thank you for reading my work. It is always a pleasure to hear from you. :)

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      itakins 

      7 years ago from Irl

      James -Your hub provides real depth and substance to the conviction many of us share...'All Human Life Is Sacred'-Brilliant !

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      Faceless39— Thank you very much for your kind compliments. I appreciate the visitation.

      Your profile page is quite interesting. I will come by soon to see what you have been writing lately. You graduated from the University of Michigan. I once lived in Ann Arbor. Great town! :)

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      Kate P 

      8 years ago from The North Woods, USA

      Interesting information, and passionately told I might add. Was good to be reminded why Planned Parenthood started (not exactly the story they want us to hear about). Wonderful source of information to pass onto others.

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      Make Money— Ha! You have a sharp eye, my friend. Yes, my band did open for Blood, Sweat & Tears at the House of David Beer Garden in Benton Harbor—my hometown.

      I will tell you an interesting book about my hometown, "The Other Side of the River," written by a Pultizer Prize winning author Alex Kotlowitz (he won the prize for "There are no Children Here," which is about the Cabrini Green housing projects in Chicago).

      Very interesting that Benton Harbor was mentioned in the book you are reading. Thanks for telling me about it.

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      Make Money 

      8 years ago from Ontario

      Yeah James I'm in the process of reading this pretty cool novel called 'Russian Sunrise'. Just yesterday a chapter that I read described a Great Lakes cruise some characters in the novel took from Detroit threw Lake St. Clair, Lake Huron, around Mackinac and down threw Lake Michigan to Chicago. One of their stops was at Benton Harbor/St. Joseph. From your music hubs I realized you were from Benton Harbor so I thought that was kind of coincidental seeing I never heard of Benton Harbor before. Sounds like quite the spot with the House of David crew being there and all. Not everyone can say they opened for Blood, Sweat and Tears. Pretty cool.

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      Make Money— Wow! Thank you so much, my friend. I really appreciate you taking a listen to my music. It is, of course, far more close to my heart than anything else I do. Your kind compliments have made my day!! :D

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      Make Money 

      8 years ago from Ontario

      I've just spent the last hour or so listening to some of your recordings from your band James. Good stuff. Very impressive. I never knew. Cool.

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      WillStarr— Thank you for posting the correct link.

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      sharewhatuknow— Thank you!! Thank you very much! :D

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      WillStarr— Thank you for that link which is irrefutable evidence. Excellent!!

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      WillStarr— There is no way that America comes within a mile of real intolerance such as we see around the world. What the Left wants is APPROVAL of everything under the sun—EXCEPT conservative ideas and specifically Christianity.

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      Tom T— You are most welcome. Thank you for the visit and your kind comments.

      You wrote: "a lady from church who was upset that the church talked about abortion. Her reasoning is that it was a political issue and the church had no business being in politics."

      Abortion, as you imply, is far more than a political issue. It is a spiritual issue—an issue of life and death.

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      sharewhatuknow 

      8 years ago from Western Washington

      Fabulous hub James. Very informative and I it voted it "UP."

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      Tom T 

      8 years ago from Orange County, CA

      Thanks for shining some light on another of the hero's of the progressive left. It is funny, the other day my wife was talking with a lady from church who was upset that the church talked about abortion. Her reasoning is that it was a political issue and the church had no business being in politics. My how far we have fallen. Keep up the good work.

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      Hyphenbird— Thank you for informing me of that. And here I thought it was just me! :-)

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      WillStarr— Thank you for your twin comments with video links a couple days ago. I watched both videos. I think you have made your point quite well. Thank you.

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      Brenda Barnes 

      8 years ago from America-Broken But Still Beautiful

      Hi James. J Burgraff has left disparaging comments on several Hubs, always ugly and negative and seems to be wanting to upset people. I just wanted you to know so you don't waste time responding to her nastiness.

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      J Burgraff— You wrote: "You need to start citing some sources for what you write. Some credible sources. Almost every 'fact' you claim, is not a fact at all, but just something you or another propagandist is making up to support your claims."

      Please tell me one thing in my article that is made up and not a fact and I will apologize for my error and edit my Hub.

      I did not solicit money from anyone. I asked people to forward my articles so I could make a few more dollars from my Hubs. And as I pointed out, it wasn't even my idea—the idea came from the person who told me about HubPages in the first place.

      What have I done for the poor? Well, I have given perhaps $300,000 to charity in the 2000s. And volunteered Lord knows how many hours of my time to work with charities. What have you done?

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      WillStarr— You are correct. And brilliant.

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      Hyphenbird— You are welcome. Thank you for your extraordinary comments.

      I will pray that prayer with you that "people relearn and regain compassion and love to these tiniest ones who depend upon the one whose blood and heartbeat they share."

      You wrote: "I saw one woman on a documentary proudly proclaim she has had eleven abortions. She has lost all sense of morality."

      She certainly had. How repulsive. And how saddening to know there are fellow human beings with whom we share this country who are this way.

      I appreciate the visit and your wise words of wisdom.

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      Texasbeta— Are you calling Will all those names because he is against killing babies?

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      WillStarr 

      8 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      You asked for evidence, and you got it, so now you divert, as usual.

      Typical.

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      Texasbeta 

      8 years ago

      Do you mean evidence like the definition of a word from the Dictionary. Sure Will.

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      Brenda Barnes 

      8 years ago from America-Broken But Still Beautiful

      Abortion is just without a doubt the most vile thing one human being can do to another. It perverts so many lives. And I firmly believe deep inside every abortion advocate knows this to be fact. The instinct to preserve the life of a baby exists in every animal-except humans? I don't think so.

      Your facts are right and the statistics heartbreaking. I saw one woman on a documentary proudly proclaim she has had eleven abortions. She has lost all sense of morality. Instead of preaching abortion, we need to be preaching chastity.

      Thank you for this Hub. I continue to pray people relearn and regain compassion and love to these tiniest ones who depend upon the one whose blood and heartbeat they share.

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      WillStarr— What you said appears to be the case.

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      WillStarr— Yes, I noticed that this was ignored. Well, I might have ignored it too. It is no fun being caught with ones pants down.

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      WillStarr— I appreciate your services as translator. :)

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      Make Money— Thank you for those two striking Scriptures.

      You also wrote: "It seems these recent laws against the Ten Commandments in court houses, no prayer in schools, no Nativity Scenes in public places and no outward signs of Christianity are going against the Constitution. "

      There is no doubt that you are correct. Unquestionably, these progressive prohibitions of the Free Exercise of Religion are against the INTENT of the framers of the Constitution. If this were not so, the Framers would have denounced prayer and the Bible in public schools—which they never, ever did, not even the Deists among them.

      The fact is, the Christian God held a hallowed place in American PUBLIC life from the Pilgrims right down to the 1960s. Anyone who denies that is nothing more than a propagandist. Now, anyone is free to say it wasn't right to pray in school and read the Bible in school from 1660 to 1960. But they cannot say it was not done and they cannot say our founding documents were against it. That is absurd.

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      Chasuk— I appreciate the link to your article that argues America was never a Christian Nation.

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      WillStarr— You wrote: "Liberals don't like Christianity because it conflicts with their own, rather bizarre, notion of morality, which basically says government should control everything but sex."

      Astute insight, Brother!

      The whole rejection of God is all about sex. It is about Libertinism and Hedonism. It is about replacing Christian morality with the Playboy Philosophy—bolstered by radical feminism.

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      Make Money— Social Liberals want our children to believe America was never a Christian Nation. The facts say otherwise.

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      WillStarr— Hey Will. 77 percent of American women were virgins when they married before the advent of the birth control pill. That number today is 5 percent.

      The pill was invented for married couples only, to be able to plan their pregnancies. That changed as a result of a lawsuit that came before the Supreme Court of the United States in 1972, Eisenstadt vs. Baird. The Court declared that no person could be denied access to the pill, married or not. This decision logically followed an earlier ruling in 1965, Griswold vs. Connecticut, where the same Court claimed to find a "Right to Privacy" in the Constitution. Don't bother to run and look for it in your copy of the Constitution—it isn't there. Obviously, murder, rape, and incest are generally all committed in private.

      You wrote: "I'm old enough to have lived in both worlds, and the world of high moral standards, limited government, and personal responsibility, was far better than the liberal decay we see today."

      Of this I have no doubt. Excellent comments, my friend.

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      Texasbeta— Thank you for twin comments you made a couple days ago. I am sure you are aware that children did pray Christian prayers in public schools—and read the Bible—for 300 years. That includes before, during, and after, the writing of our founding documents—right up to the 1960s.

      As for the "J" you smoked, I think that is just fine. Marijuana should never have been made illegal and it should be legalized now.

      I respect your opinions, too. Thank you for the gracious words.

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      Make Money— Thank you for that delicious prayer by Thomas Jefferson and the link to many other prayers by American Presidents. I wrote a rebuttal to historical revisionists who claim America was "never" a Christian Nation. The link to it is here:

      https://hubpages.com/education/Founding-Fathers...

      A lot depends on what one considers to be a "nation." The # 1 definition is "A large aggregate of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory."

      By this definition there is no question that the United States was founded as a Christian Nation. Atheists stand on two things: 1) That the Christian Faith is not mandated in our political documents 2) this so called "Separation of Church and State."

      Of course, the words "Separation" "Church" and "State" are not to be found in our founding documents. The term itself was virtually unknown until the Atheist Supreme COurt Justice Hugo Black found it in an obscure letter Thomas Jefferson wrote. Even then, Black took it out of context. The letter was written in response to concerns that the federal government might intefere with the Free Exercise of Religion, and Jefferson used the term to assure a minister that the federal government is blocked from doing that. Black twisted it to mean Religion is blocked from affairs of State.

      In England going to church and paying tithes was mandated by the government. Our Founding Fathers did not want that here, primarily because America already had a dozen thriving denominations and the Founders felt the federal government should not pick one as official for the whole country. State governments, however, were free to do so and did.

      The overwhelming idea of the Founding Fathers is that the State and the Christian Faith were allies, working together to build a great nation of solid citizens. It was not thought by anybody at the time that the State and Faith were at cross-purposes. That is a post-modern idea first propulgated by none other than Karl Marx.

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      Make Money 

      8 years ago from Ontario

      Yeah that's what I thought Will. The Founding Fathers wanted to avoid what happened in many European countries after the Reformation, like forced attendance of the Church of England with fines, imprisonment or even death for not attending or Presbyterianism forced in Scotland and the like. That's why the Founding Fathers didn't want a state religion. Yeah the Constitution was based on Christian moral standards with freedoms to practice any Christian denomination, "legislature should make no law ... prohibiting the free exercise thereof". Clearly a Christian nation. It seems these recent laws against the Ten Commandments in court houses, no prayer in schools, no Nativity Scenes in public places and no outward signs of Christianity are going against the Constitution. As a Canadian it seems I know more about American history than what bety thinks.

      I think it's now appropriate to quote these two verses.

      "For he that shall be ashamed of me, and of my words, in this adulterous and sinful generation: the Son of man also will be ashamed of him, when he shall come in the glory of his Father with the holy angels." Mark 8:38

      "For he that shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him the Son of man shall be ashamed, when he shall come in his majesty, and that of his Father, and of the holy angels." Luke 9:26

      So folks show all the outward signs of your Christian faith as you want and be proud of it. This small hand full of liberals that have fallen for communist errors will eventually shut up. And they ARE just a small hand full because even many that vote Democrat (or Liberal here in Canada) are also Christians. This pair that are posting in this hub think they speak for all liberals but they are sadly mistaken.

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      Make Money 

      8 years ago from Ontario

      Dude I'm from Canada. They were questions that I was asking of James or anyone. Besides I was wondering about this what you said, "Liberals believe that this was NOT a Christian nation." Just becauuse there was separation of Church and State that doesn't say it wasn't a Christian nation, does it?

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      WillStarr 

      8 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Hi, James.

      You said:

      "You see, the socialist liberals are waiting for the generation to die off that remembers the Good America."

      Some are too impatient to wait. I've had people who weren't even alive back then, telling me that I am wrong when I say that most girls were smart enough to insist on a ring and the security of marriage before they agreed to sex. And most kids back then had the security of the same mother and father for life. Divorce was shunned, and only the truly desperate ended their marriages.

      I'm old enough to have lived in both worlds, and the world of high moral standards, limited government, and personal responsibility, was far better than the liberal decay we see today.

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      Texasbeta 

      8 years ago

      On a side note - I admitted to smoking a J at the time I wrote a response a while back...nobody called me out on that one. I really figured I'd get a slew of hits against me on that one.

      Watkins - I disagree with you obviously, but man, I'll have to admit I like ya, and I respect you. You've earned your credit with your responses. I wish I hadn't allowed myself to get so ticked so long ago, but I'll hand it to you....nice guy.

      As for checking WND - I am glad you did. I have done it a time or two, which is why I made the claim. I'll do it tomorrow man...doing another J and I want to watch a movie. Rough day.

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      Texasbeta 

      8 years ago

      MakeMoney - Dude, are you kidding me? You really don't know much about this issue do you?

      Jefferson INVENTED the label "Separation of Church and State." The Church of England dude? Really?

      Here, the letter to the Danbury Baptists:

      Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.

      Because Presidents pray, doesn't mean they are in favor of your kid reading a Christian prayer over the school intercom. Jefferson is also the guy who wrote his own Bible, taking out all miracles. There is so much...dude, just go to any page discussing Jefferson and read it. Hell, go to wikipedia. Even that thing explains it. Brother, you really need to jump into some basic American history books...very basic American history.

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      Make Money 

      8 years ago from Ontario

      Texasbeta says, "What else do liberals believe? Separation of Church and State...did the founders also believe in that? Well, since it came from the guy who WROTE the Declaration of Independence, I would think so. Liberals believe that this was NOT a Christian nation."

      Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence didn't he.

      Thomas Jefferson

      A Prayer for the Nation

      Almighty God, Who has given us this good land for our heritage; We humbly beseech Thee that we may always prove ourselves a people mindful of Thy favor and glad to do Thy will. Bless our land with honorable ministry, sound learning, and pure manners. Save us from violence, discord, and confusion, from pride and arrogance, and from every evil way. Defend our liberties, and fashion into one united people, the multitude brought hither out of many kindreds and tongues. Endow with Thy spirit of wisdom those whom in Thy name we entrust the authority of government, that there may be justice and peace at home, and that through obedience to Thy law, we may show forth Thy praise among the nations of the earth. In time of prosperity fill our hearts with thankfulness, and in the day of trouble, suffer not our trust in Thee to fail; all of which we ask through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.

      --Washington D.C., March 4, 1801

      A look at more Prayers of the Presidents here kinda rather makes it look like a Christian nation. http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Faith-Tools/Medita...

      James or anyone correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the early talk about separation of church and state mostly about separation from the Church of England, you know because the US just gain independence from England? That's when the members of the Church of England that were now in an independent country separated from England changed their name to the Episcopal Church and broke with the Church of England. I think the same paper that is being referred to also covers protection for different Christian denominations too, doesn't it?

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      Texasbeta— I am not certain, but I think Erik Rush started writing for WND after "Negrophilia" was written. Either way, it is a darn interesting book.

      As "SweetiePie" has said, no one can comment on the black community unless they are black. Well, Erik Rush is black.

      You wrote this about WorldNetDaily: "at any point in the day, on any day of the year, go to their website, and read the front page of articles. . . . Read the front page and find 1 single article that doesn't have a blatant lie in it. Can you find one?"

      I spent some time on the site yesterday and I cannot find one single "LIE" in any of the tewenty or so articles I read. Please do this experiment yourself and show me a lie.

      Now I saw some things written I did not agree with, and some that are perhaps exagerrated in the mind of the writer. But certainly no more so than when I read the Huffington Post (every day). I did not see a single thing written that made me say "That's a lie!" Not agreeing with someone and calling them a liar are two diferent things.

      I believe that you believe what you are saying. I do not agree with much that you believe. That doesn't mean I think you are lying. It simply means you don't know what you are talking about.

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      WillStarr— I enjoyed that Tea Party story. A leftist plant holding a racist sign at their rally. That is straight out of the New Left's playbook. They see nothing wrong with this at all. To them, truthfulness and honesty are jokes—mere social constructs with no basis in reality begging to be deconstructed. :D

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      WillStarr— You left four comments in a row here. They contained some brilliant observations. The ones I liked the best were here:

      "Those of us who are old enough and fortunate enough to have lived in better times, can bear witness to the times when couples stayed married, and children did not have to accept strangers as new fathers and mothers. We remember what it was like before government meddling drove up prices on medical care. And we remember the days when a pregnancy was considered a joyous occasion, and not an annoyance to be murdered for convenience."

      Ain't it the truth! You see, the socialist liberals are waiting for the generation to die off that remembers the Good America. Then they can complete their revolution by rewriting the history books one more time to paint all of American history as a time of suffering, ignorance, and oppression. Hitler and Lenin and Stalin and Mao had the exact same ideas.

      I watched an excellent movie last night called "Mao's Last Dancer." It is a fine film and a warning to Socialist Liberals to carefully consider what they want. The film honestly shows America under Capitalism and China under Socialism circa 1980 (mostly). In China, they show students in the public school way out in a peasant village being told that they—the Chinese peasants—have the highest standard of living in the world and that Americans have the lowest! It would be hilarious if not for the fact that the children clearly believe it. How would they know otherwise?

      You wrote: "they [socialist liberals] actually believe that anyone who is not black or a female cannot comment on topics like ghetto murders or abortions. If anyone does, they will instantly be branded a 'racist' or a 'sexist'"

      Yes, they do. And you are right, that is because they do not want to face hard cold facts. They want to end the debate with Ad Hominem attacks and deny anyone a seat at the table who has a different—politically incorrect—point of view. And this from the mob that claims to consider "Tolerance" and "Inclusiveness" as the highest human virtues.

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      Texasbeta— You are surely correct that "liberal" today does at all mean what it meant before the 20th century. That is what Jacques Barzun calls "The Great Switch." Social Liberal is a more correct term for today's liberals.

      I am impressed that you know who Francis Schaeffer is. Thank you for your participation in this interesting discussion.

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      SweetiePie— Perhaps I sometimes do a poor job of articulating my thoughts on the computer. I have never had any ill feelings toward single women. All three of my daughters are single and I love them immensely.

      Most of the Founding Fathers were not deists. Three of 55 were Deists. Which is not surprising as Deism was the rage among intellectuals at that moment in time. That rage ended in the horror that was the French Revolution.

      You are right that the Founding Fathers were no angels. They said so themselves.

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      Texasbeta 

      8 years ago

      You've missed the point again, like always, and why would anyone think you would actually get it in the first place? I told you I didn't read the article, just the title. The issue wasn't that single article, it was the he WRITES for WND. WND IS the issue. Simply writing for this website puts you in the field of flat out lying. Do you guys really not know about this website or are you just playing dumb? Try this test...at any point in the day, on any day of the year, go to their website, and read the front page of articles. Now, this won't work with Will, because we already know he'll buy anything as long as it agrees with him. However, for others...go try the game. Read the front page and find 1 single article that doesn't have a blatant lie in it. Can you find one? This website is about as bad as it gets with regards to integrity. The fact that Rush writes for them, immediately throws Rush into that grouping for me. I know it doesn't for you. Republicans enjoy searching for someone to tell them that they are write, usually resulting in having to create an organization JUST to tell them that they are right because objective resources usually tell them that they are wrong.

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      SweetiePie— I have no disdain for people with whom I disagree. I have some liberal friends and some in my extended family. I love them and treat them just the same as anybody else. I may disdain the beliefs of some people but not the person.

      The Great Depression was caused by the Federal Reserve (Ben Bernanke agrees with me before you start yelling "Extremist!). The Federal Reserve and the Federal Income Tax were the brainchilds of Progressive President Woodrow Wilson who sought to find a way around Democracy through confiscating people's incomes and shifting lawmaking from the legislature to unelected bureaucracies who would enact laws but call them regulations—apart from the elected representatives of the People. As he said, "Administration cannot wait upon legislation." Bureaucracy should be given the power of the state, so as to not have to contend with "the clumsy nuisance of public opinion."

      The Federal Reserve needed a crisis like the Great Depression to convince the American public—once a completely self-reliant, responsible, strong and powerful people—that it must have government social programs—gradual socialism—to survive.

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      WillStarr 

      8 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      At a Tea Party event last year, FOXNews spotted a guy holding a racist sign, and approached him, all on camera. Just as they got there, a Tea Party rep walked up and asked the racist sign holder who he was and who he represented. The guy got up and sheepishly left after he was identified as a leftist plant, sent to try to embarrass the Tea Party.

      The Tea Party is well aware that they are being scrutinized by the main stream media in hopes of finding something racist, so they police themselves carefully. Despite all the claims of racism, like the event when the Congressional Black Caucus deliberately marched right through the middle of a Tea Party protest trying to record some racist remarks, there is no hard evidence at all of racism in the Tea Party.

      The racist label is the favorite tool of the far left, as we have seen here. They use it ‘liberally’ and then refuse to apologize, or rescind their false accusations. Thankfully, people are starting to see through their ‘racist’ cheap shots.

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      WillStarr— I am glad that some lefties have discussed these issues with us. I am glad to have them visit. It is good to learn where they are coming from.

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      WillStarr 

      8 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      It's interesting to observe the workings of the leftist/liberal mind. As they admitted here, they actually believe that anyone who is not black or a female cannot comment on topics like ghetto murders or abortions. If anyone does, they will instantly be branded a 'racist' or a 'sexist', even if they clearly are not.

      And they actually believe that's the way it should work. They actually believe they're right!

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      CMerritt— Thank you, Chris, for your firm but gentle and courteous rebuttal of these crazy accusations.

      I attended one Tea Party event after seeing some flaming, godless communists on television claiming the Tea Party people were a bunch of racists. I wrote about the experience—which was the complete opposite of the Klan Rally I had expected based on the words of these commentators:

      https://hubpages.com/politics/Orlando-Tea-Party...

      I did see a couple signs that made President Obama look like Hitler but hey, I saw the exact same representations made of President Bush a few years back. I do not agree that either of them should be portrayed that way.

      I think that if tommorrow Obama declared a complete Communist revolution in America, a la Castro, anybody who spoke out against it would be branded by the left as a racist. That is how they are. They know better but it is the Saul Alinsky, Herbert Marcuse playbook. If there is no such thing as the truth—as most leftists believe—why not lie?

      James

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      WillStarr 

      8 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      "Texasbeta— The article you mentioned lambasts holocaust deniers. You claim the author of it denies the holocaust. You are wrong, as I knew you were."

      He made that goofy claim while admitting that he never actually bothered to read it for content! Unbelievable!

      Now he's in hiding, licking his Texas-sized wounds. :-D

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      WillStarr 

      8 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      "The evidence is in: the country is nearly ruined by progressive ideology.

      Our people are unhappier than ever before, mentally ill more than ever, lonelier than ever, more spiritually sick than ever, dependent on psycho-drugs just to get through the day, families are in shambles, half the people in the country have sexually transmitted diseases—and still these ignoramuses claim their little experiments have been great successes. To say otherwise would be to admit their schemes caused termendous damage to their society and worse—to their own loved ones. They are loath to do so. Which I can understand."

      So they angrily lash out at those they believe are their tormenters, calling them names, and refusing to look at the facts. Those of us who are old enough and fortunate enough to have lived in better times, can bear witness to the times when couples stayed married, and children did not have to accept strangers as new fathers and mothers. We remember what it was like before government meddling drove up prices on medical care. And we remember the days when a pregnancy was considered a joyous occasion, and not an annoyance to be murdered for convenience.

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      WillStarr— Yes, I read the article and you are correct. I check out World Net Daily a couple times a week. Sometimes they are a bit over the top for my tastes but I have also learned a great deal from some of the articles over the years.

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      Texasbeta— The article you mentioned lambasts holocaust deniers. You claim the author of it denies the holocaust. You are wrong, as I knew you were.

      I never said I wanted Planned Parenthood "eliminated." I said taxpayer funds should not be used for it.

      The last poll I saw showed that 52 percent of Americans call themselves "Pro-Life" and 41 percent "Pro-Choice." What was most newsworthy about it was that the percentages are the exact opposite of a mere ten years earlier. Pro-Life has undeniable momentum.

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      Chasuk— I also read every day. I am pleased to meet a kindred spirit in that regard. I have never tried a Kindle or an I-Pad. I still read old-fashioned paper books. I did get a new puppy the other day, though. A Westie.

      The last books I have read were by authors such as Christopher Dawson, George Marsden, Greg Gutfeld, Daniel Boorstin, Walter MacDougall, and Eric Metaxas. I am about to start "A Monetary History of the United States" by Milton Friedman. :D

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      CMerritt— You are welcome, my friend. I appreciate the compliments and I thank you for the brief but refreshing respite from our regularly scheduled program.

      I believe that common sense is the one thing liberals lack the most. That and a complete lack of the ability to ever say they were wrong. I've tried lots of things that failed that I of course thought would work. And I admit it. Last I knew, older liberals were still defending Stalin and Mao and praising the likes of Fidel Castro.

      I understand the ideas behind the cultural and social revolution progressive thinkers have foisted upon America in the last 40 years. I am a results person. And if these ideas worked I would not say anything about them unless it was praise. The evidence is in: the country is nearly ruined by progressive ideology.

      Our people are unhappier than ever before, mentally ill more than ever, lonelier than ever, more spiritually sick than ever, dependent on psycho-drugs just to get through the day, families are in shambles, half the people in the country have sexually transmitted diseases—and still these ignoramuses claim their little experiments have been great successes. To say otherwise would be to admit their schemes caused termendous damage to their society and worse—to their own loved ones. They are loath to do so. Which I can understand.

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      SweetiePie 

      8 years ago from Southern California, USA

      Okay and this whole Margaret Sanger thing, she is no icon of mine. I simply believe in the right of women to choose, and for these matters to be private between her and her doctor. For instance some men will force their wives to have seven or eight children, and there might come a time they want to get birth control or their tubes ties. I know some conservative Christians who are against abortion are also against that. So you might say you do not speak down to women who are not married and at home with kids, but some of your comments do come across this way. It is fine, I am used to this stuff.

      If conservatives are so much for freedom and small government as they claim, then they would not try to make abortion illegal again. Actually, passing a law to make it illegal in all circumstances makes it back door and shady. Even if 52% of the population is against abortion, there is still another 48% who feel these decisions should be between a woman and her doctor. There was also a time when most of the population thought interracial marriage should be illegal, and that has changed. I know you are not able to rationalize when someone does not agree with you, but I believe in the choice of a woman for medical reasons. Making more laws telling what women can do with their body is bureaucratic, and yes dicctatorial. You cannot pick and choose which pieces of laws, legislation, and freedom you want. The founding fathers were also a bit more open minded about things than many conservatives believe, and most were actually deists. Have you ever looked at the website for the Unitarian church? Many of the founding fathers believed in God, but did not profess faith in Jesus. I believe in Jesus, and whereas I am not a go to church Sunday Christian, Thomas Jefferson was more radical about religion than I am. He even wrote his own version of the Bible. If some conservatives were to sit down and chat with him about religion, I think some of their admiration for the founding fathers might go out the window.

      Anyway, Sanger definitely had some prejudices I do not agree with, but some of the founding fathers were not moral men. Benjamin Franklin was a nympho, and Thomas Jefferson seduced his fourteen year old slave Sally Hemming. Yes they grew to love each other and had kids together, but if you want to talk about the moral ambiguity of Sanger, then we should also be able to talk about how the founding fathers were not angelic either.

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      SweetiePie 

      8 years ago from Southern California, USA

      Schools, libraries, airports, and many other public institutions and places are funded by the government. You do have a bit of disdain for those who do not agree with you. Did you know most libraries are city and country run, and so are county hospitals. Yes hospitals originated with Christian charity, but these are heavily subsidized by the government. No, the New Deal did not prolong the Depression, and the business community failed to come up with solutions to unemployment. My comments are logical, and some of yours are on the extreme side. You can deny all you like, but using a child's picture and saying they escaped the Planned Parenthood killing machine is not a tea and biscuits sort of caption. Just food for thought.

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      WillStarr 

      8 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Without naming names, one has to wonder what sort of moron would impugn both the author of an article and the news site that posted that article, when he admits he never actually read the article!

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      Chris Merritt 

      8 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Texasbeta, first of all who is "we"? You claim you shown resources to that show's Will sources wrong....Yes, I think you very well may be on drugs.....lol, I say this in jest, I know that you are a very well spoken and well versed person. I know you are passionate about your beliefs, but sometimes I see those who think they have all of the answers with fancy graphs and sources, overlook simple common sense answers. You seem to find sources that fit YOUR agenda but set aside the truth. You are guilty of what you claim others are wrong at....the way I clearly see it.

      Your credibiltiy was lost somewhat with your view on "who" represents the tea party. You speak as if you had the facts, when in reality, you are wrong. You think anyone who associates with the tea party are racist...this is just an example of where I can no longer take some of your statements as serious.

      All I know is this....liberalism goes against what our forefathers intended. Planned Parenthood is a great example of how a liberal agenda can divide and dismantle a nation. Two words....Government control.

      With that said, please continue to bicker with the likes of Will and James and perhaps one of these days, a light will go off and you will clearly see the correct path.

      Chris

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      Make Money— Thank you for coming back by with such excellent remarks. I appreciate your couraegous stance.

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      Texasbeta— I am for nothing if not for the truth. I seek it, I find it, I express it. That is what I do.

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      WillStarr— Thank you for supplying those damning quotes from the hero of the feminist movement, Margaret Sanger. Some hero. :D

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      Chasuk— I never said Margaret Sanger was all evil all the time. I did not speak for her; I provided plenty of her own words and let them speak for themselves.

      It is obscured now but the Ku Klux Klan and the Jim Crow laws were founded by Democrats while Republicans fought against them after ending slavery itself.

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      SweetiePie— I have read Upton Sinclair, yes. He was a socialist. He is in good company with Vladimir Lenin, Josef Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Chairman Mao, Fidel Castro, and Pol Pot. All self-declared socialists.

      It is very small of me to be against enormous bureaucracies? To think it a bad idea for the government, which produces no wealth, to employ 16 percent of working people?

      The United States of America was founded on the principle of very limited government. I agree with the Founding Father's concepts of very limited government.

      The New Deal prolonged the Great Depression. It made no strides toward ending it.

      There was once upon a time a great "library" bureaucracy? Most libraries were started with private funds from wealthy men such as Andrew Carnegie.

      The very idea of an hospital comes from Christian Charity—not any government.

      Our schools performed far better before the federal government got involved. That is plain to see for anyone with eyes.

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      SweetiePie— I am not Pro-Life because I want "hegemony over women." I am Pro-Life because to kill a living human in the womb is a mortal sin and our government should not approve of such an evil thing. I have five sisters and three daughters. I am hardly anti-woman as you imply. Women are my favorite people. I have no desire to hold them down or mistreat them in any way. That doesn't mean I want them to slaughter their own children in the very place God—or nature if you prefer—designed to keep them safe.

      I see. If anybody is against this gigantic stain on our national conscience—55 million killed so far—this American Holocaust—we are like Saudi Arabian mullahs.

      I love this constant retreat to "foisting your beliefs on others" the progressives trot out in every argument. Is that not what you want to do? You believe aborting babies is a good thing and you want others to agree with you and you want the law of the land to agree with you. Are you not foisting just as much as anybody else?

      52 percent of Americans are Pro-Life—an exact reversal of ten years ago. Yet you call them "extreme?"

      The European countries have not had much expenditure for the military, this is true. But why do you think it is true? It is true because America has protected them at our own expense for 65 years. That is the only reason those countries have been able to have such quasi-socialist policies. We have paid for their quasi-socialism. But these countries are in deep trouble, financially and otherwise.

      I must tell you that I could hardly believe what I was reading when I read these words that you wrote:

      "James, you definitely do want a form a dictatorship, and I have a feeling you would have no problem with a president that canceled all future elections, so long as he was a conservative Christian, and believe a woman had more value when she was married and at home. Single women like myself who forego marriage are spoken to like second class citizens on your hubs, and you have the freedom to do that. I actually would not want to live in a country that would tell you not to have your opinions, but you would like to live in one that deprives me of mine."

      I have rarely ever received such ridiculous comments. I do not know the marital status of women who comment on my Hubs—nor do I care. I want to deprive you of free speech? What on earth have I said that makes you make such an asinine claim? The only anti-free speech people I know are leftists with their "political correctness" and anti-Christ campaigns. I want a dictatorship? I want the smallest government possible—that is the opposite of a dictatorship.

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      WillStarr— You are correct that Margaret Sanger is glorified as an icon by Progressives. This should not surprise from a group that also owned millions of Chairman Mao's Little Red Book—written by a man who killed tens of millions of his own citizens.

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      Texasbeta— Please provide the link to the WorldNetDaily article denying the Holocaust. I am certain you made that up.

      You are completely off base as the underlying causes of the problems of black males. You want to continue in denial about the role of progressive policies you support so you blame the crimes of black males on "The lack of opportunity within poorer communities".

      If this were true then, since the late sixties, since opportunities for black males have unquestionably improved by incredible leaps, crime would have decreased dramatically among them. But instead the opposite is true: violent crime exploded by 1000 percent.

      Progressive policies have at least quadrupled the amount of money spent on educating black males since the sixties; billions have been spent to "make them feel good about themselves" through public school multiculturalism with its attendent black history month and rewriting of history books to include the most pedestrain accomplishments as something great; trillions of dollars have been transfered to the black community by the progressive policies of government; anti-discrimination laws rule business decisions; affirmative action routinely gives unqualified black males jobs that qualified applicants who are white are denied; black males get a full ride at our finest colleges with SAT scores that are half white youths have who are denied enrollment. In view of all these policies if your theory were correct, black crime would have gone down but it instead exploded: the more advantages given the more violent they became.

      You want to blame black violent crime on "the lack of a foundation built over the generations due to segregation" but the evidence is that black males were far less violent under segregation and they were mostly fathers to their children back then—unlike today.

      You ask me: " Ever talk to a kid from the projects, ever?" Yes, I have. I grew up in Benton Harbor Michigan. Google that placename and your question will be answered.

      Multiculturalism has glorified ghetto culture to the terrible harm of black youth. It laughs at kids who study hard with "white man's books." It tells them that ghetto culture is as good as any other. This has not only kept black males down it has dragged white kids down as well. That is why black out-of-wedlock births have gone from 25 percent to 75 percent in the very time your progressive policies have been implemented; and, aping ghetto culture, white out-of-wedlock births have soared from 3 percent to 25 percent.

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      Chris Merritt 

      8 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      I just felt compelled to jump in here once again and ask TexasBeta if he uses drugs? To make the claims as he has against WillStarr merely tells me that he has got to be delusional. I understand that there will always be a difference of opinions, but to foolishly make the claims as TB has, with the conviction that he has, indicates to me, that something is terribly wrong. I think he implifies today's Liberal, where, common sense no longer applies to daily thinking.

      This has been a facsinating hub to follow for me. James as always you articulate your points of view immaculately with class and style. Will, is the epitome of good old fashion common sense, gets to the point without sugar coating.

      Back to your regular progamming...

      Thanks James....

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      Chasuk— Thomas Jefferson owned slaves!? Who knew?! So that's why he is famous.

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      WillStarr— I agree with you that if Planned Parenthood's highest award is the Margaret Sanger Award it is disingenious to claim they have disavowed her.

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      Chasuk— You are the only other person I know who has read Erik Rush's book "Negrophilia." I suppose like all people and all books, it is flawed. I enjoyed reading your insights on it.

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      dahoglund— Thank you for joining in the discussion with your fine comments. I appreciate this visitation from you.

      Yes, liberals generally believe that taxpayers should financially support every function of the human race; that every citizen would become dependent on the government teet. Just as a crack dealer needs addicts progressives need dependents to achieve their aims of Marxism.

      Taxpayer funds should not support this dastardly organization. That is what this Hub is all about.

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      James A Watkins 

      8 years ago from Chicago

      Chasuk— I think the important thing about Dr. Nathanson is that, as the central figure in the movement to legalize abortion, after ultrasound he had a complete change of heart and went public with a confession that he was a bald-faced liar and that this movement was based on outright lies and enormous exaggerations. Human beings are are loath to admit they have fought for years for what is wrong and loath to admit they are liars. This makes Nathanson an unusual man in this story.

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      Chasuk 

      8 years ago

      @Make Money: I'm disheartened to see that you are so certain of the superiority of your own position before you have fully comprehended mine.

      I'm not a pro-abortionist, at least not in the usual carte blanche sense of the term.

      Margaret Sanger isn't my fearless leader. I've made this amply clear.

      It might make it easier for you to pigeonhole me, but the truth isn't always easy. Bottom line.

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      Make Money 

      8 years ago from Ontario

      James said "Of course, you are correct. It is the way of Marxists to rewrite history to fit their current ideology. The Soviets were masters of it and, sadly, the American public schools and universities have succumbed to it as well. The Leftist Creed is "If the truth isn't what you wish it to be, just create enough propaganda to make your fantasy world appear to be true."

      Chasuk this quote by James reminds me of your take on St. Augustine. The quote also explains what I was saying in my last post.

      And by the way, "pragmatic" profits by PP should be taxed and thus PP should not be allowed 501(c) non-profit status. What a crock. So Margaret Sanger wannabe administrators write themselves a bigger check so PP doesn't show a profit.

      Thanks Chasuk, for quoting Margaret Sanger, "that abortion was the wrong way—no matter how early it was performed it was taking life". Now if only pro-abortionists like yourself could accept that. See even your fearless leader was calling abortion in any stage of pregnancy murder. Don't give me that crock about the first 40 days of pregnancy at all. It's nothing but a lie.

      Now who did you say was wrong Texasbeta? You and Chasuk are. Bottom line.

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      WillStarr 

      8 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      "Until then, I bid you adieu."

      Adios!

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      WillStarr 

      8 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      And of course, the Margaret Sanger quote most popular among liberals:

      "The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it." Margaret Sanger, Women and the New Race (Eugenics Publ. Co., 1920, 1923)

      See? They are better off dead, as one of you said. Of course, no one asks the doomed child if that's true.

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      Chasuk 

      8 years ago

      @WillStar: I understand that there were parts of Sanger's ideology that were vile. I've conceded as much several times already, if you were paying attention.

      You really have no clue how to debate with integrity, do you? I don't know whether this is from intellectual dishonesty, or actual ignorance. Based on the evidence thus far, I suspect the former.

      When you engage any of my myriad ignored points, and as an adult, not sophomorically, I'll be happy to continue this discussion. Until then, I bid you adieu.

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      WillStarr 

      8 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Margaret Sanger quotes:

      On blacks, immigrants and indigents:

      "...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people

      On sterilization & racial purification:

      Sanger believed that, for the purpose of racial "purification," couples should be rewarded who chose sterilization. Birth Control in America, The Career of Margaret Sanger, by David Kennedy, p. 117, quoting a 1923 Sanger speech.

      On the right of married couples to bear children:

      Couples should be required to submit applications to have a child, she wrote in her "Plan for Peace." Birth Control Review, April 1932

      On the purpose of birth control:

      The purpose in promoting birth control was "to create a race of thoroughbreds," she wrote in the Birth Control Review, Nov. 1921 (p. 2)

      On the rights of the handicapped and mentally ill, and racial minorities:

      "More children from the fit, less from the unfit -- that is the chief aim of birth control." Birth Control Review, May 1919, p. 12

      On the extermination of blacks:

      "We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon

      On respecting the rights of the mentally ill:

      In her "Plan for Peace," Sanger outlined her strategy for eradication of those she deemed "feebleminded." Among the steps included in her evil scheme were immigration restrictions; compulsory sterilization; segregation to a lifetime of farm work; etc. Birth Control Review, April 1932, p. 107

      On adultery:

      A woman's physical satisfaction was more important than any marriage vow, Sanger believed. Birth Control in America, p. 11

      On marital sex:

      "The marriage bed is the most degenerating influence in the social order," Sanger said. (p. 23)

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      Chasuk 

      8 years ago

      The first quote made easier still to locate:

      http://books.google.com/books?id=Enn0EHY4LcMC&...

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      Chasuk 

      8 years ago

      @WillStar: I am not a spokesman for America's liberals. But I am representative of them.

      James describes Sanger as being concerned that, "inferior races would swamp the United States with their tainted offspring."

      I'm not going to dispute James' depiction; I think it is probably accurate, to a degree. However, this is a sentiment far more often voiced by the Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmonds, Trent Lotts, and David Dukes of the world -- who were/are all conservatives -- than by liberals.

      If you are a member a white nationalist or white separatist group in the United States, such as the Council of Conservative Citizens, you are far more likely to be be a Republican or a Conservative Democrat than a liberal.

      Do you know that there is an annual Strom Thurmond Awards for Excellence in Law Enforcement? And a Jesse Helms Award for Courage? And a Trent Lott Award?

      Should all of these awards be repudiated by their recipients? Logically so, in your black-and-white reality (pun intended), because none of these racist men ever did anything good during their careers, right?

      Sanger was all evil all of the time, obviously.

      Except that she wasn't.

      The Sanger who conservatives love to demonize wrote this:

      "While there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization."

      And this:

      "To each group we explained what contraception was; that abortion was the wrong way—no matter how early it was performed it was taking life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way—it took a little time, a little trouble, but was well worth while in the long run, because life had not yet begun."

      What Sanger really felt about abortion surprises many conservatives, especially those who get all of their information about her from the propagandists. Rarely do they consult her own words.

      The first quote is extracted from her own book, available here, if you doubt its provenance:

      http://books.google.com/books?id=Enn0EHY4LcMC&...

      Do yourself a favor. Read her views, and in context. I've provided the link to make it easy for you.

      The second quote is excepted from her autobiography:

      http://books.google.com/books?id=iy0oWya9H_kC&...

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      SweetiePie 

      8 years ago from Southern California, USA

      My ideas make 100% sense. However, you missed all my pithy points. You can claim it is not fascist to want to overturn Row vs Wade, but I can assure you it is. There are many in the medical community who wanted to legalize abortion because it was a shady back door business. You and those who say a woman would have to revert back to the pre-Row vs. Wade days are trying to assert your hegemony over women. The Supreme Court ruled in favor of women deciding what to do with their bodies because so many pushed to take it there. Sometimes I feel if people do not respect the laws of our country, there are plenty of other countries where you could go and live. You might not like me saying so, but men who say a woman never has a right to an abortion are not really that far removed from the religious clerks in a country like Saudi Arabia. I believe in God, but one of the problems of have with those who take religion to extremes is their wanting to foist their beliefs on others. Whereas you might not agree with my feelings their should be no wars, and a person who knows me well knows that was just an example. Only small, pathetic, and wrong people want to fight wars. There are places where people have decided fighting is a total waste. The European Union has worked hard to do so after the devastation of World War II, but you think their ways are too socialistic. James, you definitely do want a form a dictatorship, and I have a feeling you would have no problem with a president that canceled all future elections, so long as he was a conservative Christian, and believe a woman had more value when she was married and at home. Single women like myself who forego marriage are spoken to like second class citizens on your hubs, and you have the freedom to do that. I actually would not want to live in a country that would tell you not to have your opinions, but you would like to live in one that deprives me of mine.

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      WillStarr 

      8 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      "I am a supporter of Planned Parenthood, and I publicly disavow Margaret Sanger and her original intent."

      Good for you, but you are hardly a spokesman for America's liberals. Not only is Margaret Sanger not disavowed by liberal supporters of her abortion mill, she is held up as an icon of liberalism, and the Margaret Sanger Award presentation is a yearly event.

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