Point Counter Point
My last Hub Inside the Mind of a Socialist was published on October 25, 2010, some 22 days ago. Since then I have been going back and forth with the Socialists who was the source of the hub. He and I have established an amicable relationship despite the fact we are diametrically opposed in our views relating to Capitalism versus Socialism. I
A few hours ago I received a visit from a newcomer to my hubs “Old Poolman who inspired me to publish the dialog between the Socialists and I. Here’s what he said, “I find this to be the most fascinating hub I have ever read. The back and forth in the comments section is a remarkable read for me. There is dialog between two intelligent people with very opposite ideas, and no disrespectful flaming along the way. I am very interested in what both have to say, and am actually gaining some insight into Socialist thinking and thought processes. I sincerely hope this one keeps going for a long time. Great Hub and great dialog.”
I did not publish his kind remarks in the interest of self gratification, I do so to pose the question to my other loyal followers; is this a format you would find interesting. It is extremely rare for a Liberal and a Conservative to engage in debate with neither side resorting to name calling. This guy, Charles James is a pleasant fellow who truly believes in Socialism! So having said all that I give you Point Counter Point!
For the past 2 weeks I have been going back and forth with a Socialist from across the pond. Until now I had found all Socialist so disagreeable it was impossible to be even polite to them much less nice. However this chap from jolly old England has repeatedly disagreed while managing to be agreeable. However, since he provided me with a plethora of information I thought I would convert into a hub entitled inside the mind of a Socialist. Until now I thought they all just went on feelings but this guy actually believes in the basic concepts of Socialism, regardless how destructive they may be to society in general.
Following the hub which was introduced with the above paragraph Charles wrote. Here is something for you folks to think on. In the UK we have a "made in the USA" recession. As a result economic activity has reduced, and we have lots of unemployed construction workers. We have roads and schools that need repair and / or upgrading. We need more housing. If the unemployed construction workers were given building work to do, they would no longer be claiming benefits. And they would be paying taxes and national insurance.
For the relatively small difference in public expenditure they would be building capital assets for our society. The "Right" say we cannot afford this expenditure . It seems to me that having people sitting at home doing nothing is just waste. Putting them to work makes sense. If we wait until the Right says we can afford this expenditure the opportunity will be lost. If I am a socialist I must be wrong, so how am I wrong?
Correcto-Mundo this recession was the end result of Socialist; known in this country as Democrats; tinkering with Capitalism; you know make it more fair; so they enticed banks to lend money to poor people who couldn’t afford the mortgages associated with the loans. How, pray tell did they accomplish this; there are two federal entities Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac which lowered their requirements to the private lenders so in return the private lenders would lower their requirements and shazaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmm poor people could now afford mortgages two or three times what they could before! See Charles the good intentions of Socialism always end up in destroying the hopes and dreams of its subjects!
Ever heard of the WPA, FDR’s social program to put people back to work? Sorry Charles but when you pay people to work that does not grow the economic pie all you do is what Socialist love; spread the wealth around. The economic pie doesn’t grow but it gets sliced up into smaller pieces so everyone gets a smaller slice. Also how do you pay for all the materials needed to repair the roads, schools, etc; you either print more money which is inflationary or you raise taxes on an already suffering population. The thing to do is release the entrepreneurial spirit of the people and they will figure out a way to create real jobs that produce a product the country wants and needs.
As for people sitting at home doing nothing, the answer to that is simple; quit paying them to sit home. As long as you continue to extend unemployment benefits people have no incentive to look for work in earnest!
You answered your own question; “If I am a socialist I must be wrong, so how am I wrong?” You are wrong because you are Socialists!
Charles then responded with; The capitalists who made money out of selling mortgages they knew people could not afford and the capitalists who resold the securitised packages and the capitalists who invested other peoples money in junk securities are blameless then?
And you would rather pay people to sit at home doing nothing than put them to work and get some value out of them?
Seems odd to me!
The capitalists who made money out of selling mortgages they knew people could not afford and the capitalists who resold the securities packages and the capitalists who invested other people’s money in junk securities are not blameless. But and this is a very big BUT, almost a BUTT; THE Socialist that tinkered with the Capitalist System in order to make it MORE FAIR started the entire process which ended in the housing market collapse. It was like a Giant Juggernaut rolling out of control which was initially pushed down the hill by modern day Karl Marx Disciples attempting to redistribute the wealth in their own way. To expect Capitalist not to make money off a system flawed by Socialist Tinkering with it would be like a hungry lion refusing to eat a lamb tied to a stake in front of it because the lamb had no chance of escape; Capitalist are programmed to make money; that’s how our system works and it works fine when left alone but can indeed be skewed by Do Gooder Socialists and when that happens the end result is not pretty.
As for your second point; “would I rather pay people to sit at home doing nothing than put them to work and get some value out of them?” No, 13 weeks is what our original unemployment was set up on; out of work people had 13 weeks in which to find a job; there are jobs available which can be obtained if a person is willing to work. To extend payments to people beyond 13 weeks is the root of our current unemployment problem; people may not be able to find a job doing what they were doing or paying them what they were making but there is work available. They will not avail themselves of that work if you continue to pay them to sit home and do nothing as you state!