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Guns Protect Who from What?

Updated on July 26, 2014

Any News is Bad News

No News is Good News

If you’re interested in statistics and facts you won’t find them here. I don’t need to “Google” statistics to see that America has serious problems. It’s pretty sad that I am afraid to open the newspaper in the morning or turn on the news in the evening because I usually end up finding myself angry or needing a tissue. Sure, the news isn’t going to always be pretty, but whatever happened to a “bad day”, “bad event”, “bad incident”? They are all day everyday occurrences now. It doesn’t matter what state you live in each local paper and local news team is ready to let us know about what tragedies we might have otherwise missed.

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Too many choices....

To Be Or Not To Be...Armed?

My frustration comes out of the “gun-control” argument. You have the potentially “ignorant” side of people that are sick of watching innocent people killed. Then you have the die-hard Americans with guns and rights that don’t want to give up either. So where does that leave someone like me in the middle; die-hard American who doesn’t want to lose any rights but doesn’t want to see another child take a bullet to the head? Guns or no guns? Guns or less guns? Guns with more requirements? What difference does it make. It’s not a matter of what we’re carrying or not carrying around it is the people that are walking the streets; Americans!

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Where's the Bad Guy?

Can we not recognize that America and the people who reside here are in serious trouble or is it just easier to be in denial? Why does a law-abiding citizen want a gun; to feel safe, safe from “bad guys”. Who are the “bad guys”; our American neighbor? Why do “bad guys” have guns; because they get them from the hands of the God-fearing, law-abiding citizens that need them for protection from the “bad guys”. Gee, are we seeing a vicious cycle here? Why don’t we work on the violence that we have embedded into society, try to save humanity and the nation and remove the agonizing feelings of fear that we’re forced to live with. If we didn’t have to live in fear we wouldn’t need such dangerous protection. Instead of arming every American, why don’t we find a way to eliminate the need to fear our neighbors?

The below clip made me laugh until I cried, or maybe I just cried because it is absolutely scary to see what a gun can do in the hands of someone who is not trained to use one.

Bang Bang! You're Dead!

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Au fait,

      You're right... poverty is a bigger problem. Death is death and the death of a completely innocent person, especially a child, just infuriates me. This gun debate will never die but, it's calmed down quite a bit and so long as I don't have to listen to another story of students being gunned down, I can try to keep it in the far back of my mind, considering all the debating in the world seems to get nowhere. This is the perfect example of the difference between fact and opinion and how ignorance and arrogance will get neither side anywhere.

      You are definitely right about the poverty and sadly I don't feel like anyone cares. I just said yesterday that, though I wish hardship on no one, I'd like to see everyone go hungry a day or two and everyone go without getting their basic needs met for a few days so they can understand what it's really like. People seem to say 'that's too bad' but they aren't losing any sleep over it.

      Now that I'm done complaining about guns or gun-violence, I should say, maybe I can do a hub on the tragedies of poverty, but I'm sure I'll get the same response... nobody cares.

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      Jack Burton 4 years ago from The Midwest

      If things "used to be better" then perhaps you can explain the consistently falling rate of childhood accidents with firearms over the past 20 years.

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      C E Clark 4 years ago from North Texas

      It is pretty awful what sometimes happens with guns around. People used to be better about instructing their children about them and believe it or not, children used to be better at paying attention and learning.

      Sad as gun deaths are in this country, poverty actually kills way more people and nobody cares about that.

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      epigramman 4 years ago

      Off to pick up my car which was a relatively minor repair and expense and then an afternoon appt. with my mortician, whoops, I mean 'my bank manager' and then a little shopping when I'm out (mostly for cat food) and yes I am waiting for the day when I can feed you some 'cat' food - champagne and caviar in our very own hot tub overlookin' Niagara Falls from a penthouse hotel. oh yeah babyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy lol lol

      lake erie time 11:03am see you later aligator , most likely in the evening - have a safe, happy and productive day - lake erie time 11:03am Colin and his cat gang

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      I got the memo tonight!!! That's beautiful Colin!!! Now... I either need to get myself a Kindle or have someone put that book of yours onto paper... I WANT ONE!

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      epigramman 4 years ago

      Wrote something pleasant just now while thinking about your baby blue eyes - Taking pictures for God's portfolio (new and world premiere)

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Hee hee hee! Well, I'm just thankful I'm a cat and not a wascally wabbit :D

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      epigramman 4 years ago

      Cat. I wuv you - says Elmer Fudd Epi

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      It sounds like a lovely article Col, ha ha... nobody can retell a story like you :D ... sounds like a hub in the making :D I'm sure I do silly stuff like that all the time, irritates me that I even have to stop and think sometimes about what virgin of the word I should be using. One typo or grammatical error is enough to possibly throw the whole thing off... which I must give you some serious credit for as you seem to be either meticulous or just extremely intelligent... which I'm already sure of the latter being true... I have never caught an error on you pages... not that I look for them, but I'm pretty sure I'd have noticed at some point or another.

      Yes, your car... when you pick it up tomorrow, tell them to send me the bill... it'll sit with the rest of my red font mail, but at least it won't be your problem :D

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      epigramman 4 years ago

      Actually just to put everything in proper context the lady hubber who wrote the hub - The right to bare arms - wrote a pretty good article about her right to have guns in her home blah blah blah etc. etc. fiddle faddle yadda dadda 'but her she had spelled the title wrong'

      Obviously it should have been The right to bear arms - lol

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      epigramman 4 years ago

      ....and sending you a big BIG BIG hug to you dearest Cat from the three of us - C and T and G.

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      epigramman 4 years ago

      Roses are red

      Violets are blue

      The only lady I want to see

      is the tank top (or off) on you.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Oh Dear Colin,

      I hope your day had some pleasurable moments in it. If you haven' t laughed yet, maybe I can help... when I read your remark about bare arms... which is cute, after all... I want the right to wear a tank top, ya know? :D ... I abruptly stopped reading and thought you were referring to this girl... oh I searched the page up and down and again, until I was dizzy... well dizzier than I already am. Once I gave up and decided to just accept my being a moron... I finished your statement, only to find you weren't referring to me :D .... ha ha... talk about as nervous as a Chihuahua huh? I've got some serious problems Colin... I just suffer in silence; it's safer that way :D ... it's okay though, I'm good at it, I've been doing it for years.

      Yes, the gun debate... I just hate to see another innocent person die because of stupid people, especially poor little kids. But, you are right, it's never going to go anywhere and it's never going to change... it is, what it is! But, when the heat was on, I got to vent and I got to do it here! And there will be more venting where that came from :D ... this place can be almost like therapy can't it?

      There once was a man on the other side of the lake.

      Of anyone I knew, he was least fake.

      I invite him to mine, for a chance to dine.

      'Cause I still owe him his cake!

      One hug, two hugs, three hugs, Four.. for Tiffy, and Gabriel and the man I adore!

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      epigramman 4 years ago

      I always feel my heart beating a little faster (well hell let's be honest - a lot faster,lol) when I arrive at your Hubs my favorite tree house builder in the entire world and yes when I think of you I feel like a 'mighty redwood' lol lol

      On a serious note I am not a fan of guns at all and I think in part that has been handed down to me from my dad who as you know now was a Canadian soldier for 6 years in World War II.

      He told me when I was older and could understand (but certainly not relate) that after seeing the damage that guns do to people he would never pick up and fire a gun again back in civilian life. Some of his best buddies died in front of him and I guess that something one never forgets.

      My buddy took me a gun club and I got to fire off a rifle and a magnum handgun (yeah the one that Dirty Harry uses) and yes it was an experience and I'm glad I did it because I had a good and responsible teacher (my buddy) but it just wasn't my cuppa tea.

      You can see in your own country that even with President Obama's influence and endorsement for stricter safer gun laws that he was disappointed in the end run because really not much has changed.

      I am afraid guns are here to stay - it just seems to be part of the culture, the psyche, the way of life in America and as one hubber so proudly said in her Hub, Cat, THE RIGHT TO BARE ARMS.

      So naturally Epi being a humorist, pointed out her right to 'bare' arms but not revealing to her about her spelling mistake and she still didn't get it - in fact she deleted my comment, lol.

      I fear there will be two people left on earth and they'll still have guns.

      Let's hope they're on the same side and not fighting over who is first in line. lol

      Thank you Cat for ALWAYS turning me on with your wit, intelligence, charm and journalistic savvy and integrity as displayed here in this hub.

      Thank you making your readers think, ponder, and wonder.

      It is so wonderful to have this freedom to open debate and it's people/thinkers/writers like you whom make HUBPAGES a really rockin' place to be in this cyber universe.

      lake erie time 6:09pm

      they have my car in overnight but just waiting for a part and they promised me it should be a relatively small repair chair and bill

      So far so good as they say

      I need a hug Cat - please send me a hug.

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      brian 4 years ago

      If you are a white man living in the suburbs all you got to do is dye your skin black and no one will mess with you. Black skin is the best protection a white man could ever have.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Oppeakra,

      Yes, I have changed the way I view the whole Gun Control issue in general. You have brought up good points and I appreicate people standing up and speaking out because that is one of the great rights we do still have as American's; and we ought care about something. Thanks

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      Oppeakra 4 years ago from Min, USA

      I completely agree with everything you commented back. humans would not be humans if we did not try to fix. And I do, as well, wish that my computer could have tones. Lolz. It would come it handy! Thank you for this great discussion, and my mind has been tweaked a tad as I have father thought about my side on Gun Control. I hope what I said made you think about your side of the Gun Control argument as well.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Awesome Jack, I really appreciate the info. My boyfriend's birthday is in a week and a half, maybe that'll be a good reason to check it out (he'll think it's just for him :-) .... I will absolutely check out the site. Thanks again.

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      Jack Burton 4 years ago from The Midwest

      Cant...

      The National Shooting Sports Foundation offers a FREE training class for beginning shooters. It's called the "First-Shots" program.

      The course is totally free of charge. They even supply the targets, eyes,ears, ammunition, and firearms,.

      The course time is approximately 1-1/2 hours long and consists of classroom time as well as range time.

      Here are the nationalwide participants. Just click on your state.

      http://www.nssf.com/FirstShots/Seminars/

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Thank you and I find your opinion and insight extremely refreshing. You are so right. I wish I could shake the shoulders of these oblivious Americans. You're singing my song. Thank you and please share those words to anyone who will listen.

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      Aaron 4 years ago from Southern United States

      Don't get too frustrated you just touched a sore spot on most peoples collective conscience.

      It's a lot easier for someone to shout "NO MORE GUNS!" than it is for them to turn off the t.v. or throw out their kids x-box. In todays world it's the aforementioned devices that are raising our children not their parents.

      Either through necessity or negligence we as a society have no one and nothing to blame for the situation but ourselves.

      Being a gun owner with a conceal carry permit I know that a gun is a tool and at the risk of sounding cliché it's true that guns don't kill people...people kill people.

      Over the past 30 years while we've collectively patted ourselves on the back for becoming civilized we've done the complete opposite and started sprinting back to the stone age. Only this time with guns.

      I believe that there are more people out there who realize the truth behind the issue. They are just harder to see because instead of screaming like idiot's on "reality t.v." they have their heads down just trying to survive.

      Keep fighting the good fight your on the right track.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      adho71185,

      Yes, our society! That's what I've been trying to say! Lol. It seems like whenever I address the issue of what "the wrong people with guns" are doing, people automatically assume that I am "anti-gun", which is not the case. I think that our society is nothing short of a disgrace and I find myself intentionally withdrawing from it as much as possible because I feel like a hypocrite by participating. I feel like most of the rest of the world has jumped right in to this "new" society and nobody's complaining about it. Thank you for not being ignorant and for the comment.

      https://hubpages.com/family/America-is-in-Trouble...

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      Aaron 4 years ago from Southern United States

      I don't believe that guns, gun laws or lack there of are the issue. The culprit here as I see it is our Society.

      The American society today through our glorifying of violence and criminal activity and celebrating heartless, nihilistic and brutal behavior have created a virtual breeding ground for sociopaths and the mentally disturbed.

      Returning to a core belief system that celebrates common sense and emphasizes our original American values is the only way to stop this crazy train we call a country from driving itself off a cliff.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      I wish people could read tone through the computer. You haven't said anything to offend me. I really am not easily offended so please, for future reference don't ever hold back. My intention is not to be offensive or come off the wrong way and so I may get defensive in the process. I commend you for doing what you do, Thank you. I agree Gun Control Laws aren't the answer because it is not usually the people who follow the laws that cause the problems, but I feel like we are not human if we don't look for areas of improvement somewhere.

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      Oppeakra 4 years ago from Min, USA

      I never said that you didn't volunteer. I said I did. Don't get offended by that. I think you heard me wrong. I act, hence the volunteering. I don't complain. I find solutions and put them to play. Gun Control Laws are not the answer.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      I don't want to give up on anyone either, but we can't possibly detect all of the people that are silently suffering with some kind of a mental illness. I give back; I have been a volunteer EMT and Captain in my local fire department, for almost 15 years. If I knew how to save the mentally ill, I would volunteer my time there too. I don't just complain and not act. I love to give my time to others.

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      Oppeakra 4 years ago from Min, USA

      Well these people that you are talking about that need help that haven't got it or don't know that they need it. I am saying that if we could help those people, they would not kill. To answer your question you treat them with help. I refuse to give up on them, and I refuse to give up my rights.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      I certainly didn't mean to imply that mentally ill people are unequal. I was more or less referring to the kind of people that I am not comfortable with having access to guns. How do you treat someone that doesn't know they need to be treated? What is scary is that a lot of people suffer in silence, maybe we need better awareness?

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      Oppeakra 4 years ago from Min, USA

      If people could all help, and help and take time out of our days to donate money or some form of help to help those who were mentally ill. I do not this that a mentally ill person would be considered 'unequal'. I think that they would be offended by it. I know people are mentally ill, and they get help. Those mad people kill need help. If they got that from the beginning, that wouldn't happen.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Well we may have been "created" equal but I think people choose to recreate themselves. Yes, people need help, but it's kind of hard to help a fugitive from the law, or the mentally ill who are unaware.

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      Oppeakra 4 years ago from Min, USA

      I do believe that all people are equal, and created equal. Whether black or white, disabled or healthy, all men and women are created equal. I agree that there are mad people, but they are still equal. They do need help, but so do disabled people. So I will not say that they are people who are higher in rank then other people.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      You believe all criminals are equal? I think that there are people that make conscious decisions that the law doesn't apply to them or simply don't feel like obeying it. I also think that there are some people who have no regard for human life. I would have a hard defending someone like that.

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      Oppeakra 4 years ago from Min, USA

      All people are equal. That is why this county has prospered so.

      I have to go. This has been a good discussion.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      I don't want to take away any rights; I think we should be responsible with the rights that we do have. Quite frankly I don't think that everyone deserves fair and equal rights. The same people that don't abide by the law shouldn't benefit from the same rights as those who do, such as gun ownership. So I don't want to be responsible for my gun ending up in the hands of a criminal.

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      Oppeakra 4 years ago from Min, USA

      A gun owner should be responsible for their own guns and their own property. A gun owner should report if their gun is stolen. I still do not see how taking away our rights lead to 'the promise land' The Black Market will never, I believe, end or be ended. But I am not saying to completely focus our attention onto the BM, but my point is there are other places of these mad people to get the guns.

      PS. This is a nice discussion. It is handy that we are on at the same time. You are defiantly testing my wits and my brains. Thanks for a good discussion.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      So do you think that gun owners should have a responsibility to make their guns damn near impossible to gain access to? Should a gun owner be held accountable if his gun is stolen?

      Black Market- How do we combat that?

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      Oppeakra 4 years ago from Min, USA

      Stealing, Buying from the Black Market, ect. I will say, some many buy from a store but those are the ones who maybe would rob a bank or steal a car. Not kill. Only a couple would buy a gun from a store. And making this law wont stop them. If they are smart, which anyone who has been planning a mass murder out has to be smart and is smart, they will find away around it. Taking away our rights is not going to prevent them from killing.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Oppeakra,

      Criminals don't follow laws, that's what makes them criminals. But I think that we are some how failing by allowing guns to illegally fall into their hands. How is it that bad guys obtain guns?

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      Oppeakra 4 years ago from Min, USA

      I am 'fighting' to protest our rights as people of the United States of America. That is what I am fighting for.

      ~O'ppeakra

      PS. I understand you don't want 'bad guys' to have guns. So making a law would help. I just am wonder since when have 'bad guys' (aka criminals) followed laws? Just saying.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Jack,

      I know this probably sounds silly even comparing; but my son got a BB gun for Christmas, which I played a role in the process of. I wanted him to have his very own BB gun, just like my brothers used to have. I tried to teach him the little things I know, like keeping the safety on until he is actually ready to shoot etc.

      I think part of the problem is there is no promoting of these “gun-safety” avenues, I don’t even know where the local shooting range is and I don’t know that anyone would be willing to help. I assume places like that are for gun enthusiasts though I would actually be very interested in going if “my kind” were welcomed.

      Yes, I encourage the Hub.

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      Jack Burton 4 years ago from The Midwest

      95 percent of what the kids need to know are wrapped up in those 4 rules. You can go over those at the dinner table without having a gun within a block of the home. But they have to be gone over more than once until they beocme part of the kids thinking.

      The 12 year old is big enough to try the range if the maturity factor is there. I've seen kids as young as six out shooting and doing a good job of it but I think that, for me, ten is about as young as I would want to teach.

      Here in Indiana I know hundreds of expereinced trainers, including me, who would take you and the kids out to the range at no charge and work with you on the basics. Teaching kids about firearms is a speciality art that calls for finese.

      The problem is that there are a lot of poor teachers out there for firearms. NOt that they are bad people, but they just don't know how to best walk someone thru and show them a good, fun time.

      We've all heard horror stories about the guy who gives the "little lady" the strongest handgun he owns and then laughs when it bounces off her head from the recoil. That is what you don't need.

      Going to the local gun shop for help is hit or miss. There are some great ones, and some that I wouldn't step across their door even if there was a tornado outside. You can try, and if they sound the least little bit patronizing it's probably a place you don't want to turn to for help.

      Many shops offer paid training so they may not want to hook you up with something free for the kids. You can check wiht the Boy Scouts and see who does the firearm training for the district. Perhaps you can get something on the side.

      I taught two brothers who were 14 and 15 a while back. By the end of the hour they were outshooting me. They eventually both went into the Army and becamse outstanding marksmen in the Rangers. Both served in Afghanistan and came back safe and sound. They thanked me for teaching them the basics and getting them interested... but their mother still has never forgiven me. :-)

      Perhaps I'll do a hub on how to find a firearm instructor for free and how to judge their competence.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Jack,

      I’ll admit, I am ready to have the discussion with my children (12 and 8, both just turned; boy and girl), but I don’t really know how to address it. I don’t want them to be afraid of guns, I want them to have respect for guns and I want them to appreciate what they can be used for in their best form at the same time I want them to know the dangers that can be associated with improper use without scaring them.

      For instance, my son plays video games robbing and shooting people and I don’t want him to be as comfortable with guns as the characters on these games are; gang members shooting old ladies in parking lots.

      I don’t think that I would ever encourage my children not to have a gun when they become old enough, because I’m not sure that is the right response. I am definitely going to check out the articles you mentioned and I appreciate you pointing me in the right direction.

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      Jack Burton 4 years ago from The Midwest

      I notice that you have two children. Of course, I don't know their ages but I'll assume from your picture that they are not too old.

      The question is not whether or not they are going to learn about guns... but from whom and with what degree of responsibility.

      There really three places where the kids learn all about firearms. From the street and their equally ignorant friends... from totally ignorant Hollywood... or being taught by a mature, experienced adult who can give them the basics of safety that will protect them the rest of their lives.

      I am for complete freedom to not own a gun as much as I am for owning a gun so that is not what I am suggesting. But I really do think that you should find a responsible, experienced person who can set you down with and give you some basics. That even might include some range training time if you want.

      Children as young as four can easily learn the four cardinal rules of gun safety that you've already seen on one of my hubs. Imprinting just those four simple rules in a brain reduces the possibility of an accident with a gun to virtually zero. Even if you say your child will never have a gun you just don't know what they'll find on the way to school, or over at a friends home.

      As they get older it's good to know what a gun can and cannot do so that they can spot the nonsense that Hollywood teaches about firearms. You teach your children safe driving... and even safe sex. Why not teach them safe gun handling and the rules that go along with that?

      As for yourself, I advise you to look through Kathy's website at Cornered Cat and browse the articles. You just might be surprised at what you learn about yourself and others. Here's a good example...

      http://www.corneredcat.com/article/mindset/could-y...

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Honestly Jack, I couldn't ask for anything more. When two people begin the conversation over gun-control, especially not in person, it is hard to tell how it really affects both people. I also have to admit that I don't know the gun community that well. I grew up in a very rural, small little village where the only guns people around here own are for hunting. It was quite a concept for me to even understand that people walk around with guns and shoot people. My brother works for the FBI and has flown Airforce One. He is the only person that I can even talk to in my circle of people about gun-control and obviously he is not the "typical" American.

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      Jack Burton 4 years ago from The Midwest

      Who is most likely to be heartbroken and feel terrible over the mis-use of any item... those who enjoy the use of an item or those who don't give it a thought?

      Both Fred the non-ice skater and Susie the ice-skater may feel badly when they read about the woman who was killed by her deranged husband, but Susie is going to be more upset by it knowing that the poor woman was killed when her husband hit her over the head with a pair of ice skates. Fred really won't care about how the woman was killed.

      Susie knows the joy that ice skates bring to millions, and she enjoys watching the sport on TV and in person. She has taught her kids to ice skate. She supports the local ice skating rink by advertising her business there and donates to the Olympic team. To her, the very act of using ice skates to harm someone is a violation of her personal self.

      Now substitute guns for ice skates, and tell us which community is going to be more upset by those who harm innocents with guns -- the legal, law abiding gun owning community... or those who have nothing to do with guns and really don't think about them in the least bit.

      I hang out with thousands of gun owners. I shoot with them and eat with them and train with them. There is no group more unhappy with those who use guns to hurt the innocent than the gun owning community.

      That's a large part of why the anti-gun and gun control groups are held in such disdain. We know that their fondest desires about gun control will do absolutely nothing, not a damn thing, to help prevent one single innocent from being harmed.

      Yet the media laps up their wildest droppings as if they are the font of all wisdom, and totally ignores the people who actually understand firearms and guns.

      You, yourself, don't seem to know the gun community that well or else you would not be asking those who own guns to do something other than say "oh well."

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Jack,

      I'm not suggesting that we should have some kind of responsibility to or guilt from social deviants, the weak-minded or the evil but their actions directly affect us, the health of our nation and innocent.

      I think that whether you drink or don't and whether you own a gun or not, you are saddened by the article in the morning paper that details an innocent life lost as a result of misuse or abuse of the "controversial" items.

      I don't think that every gun owner or American should be standing in front of some store front with homemade cardboard signs fighting for the innocent. But, I would at least like to hope that it is a conscious thought on the minds of every American; some bit of compassion or sympathy? All I'm asking as that people don't walk around ignorant and selfish.

      On the streets I would have no problem with you or how you live, even if you're packing heat. You are what I assume to be a "good citizen". I just want to believe that you don't say, "oh well" to important issues.

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      Jack Burton 4 years ago from The Midwest

      Cant', why would the actions of the social deviants, the weak-minded or the evil keep me up at nights. Do you actually believe there is somekind of "collective guilt" that adheres to all people regardless of their having nothing to do with other people's sins?

      Do you suppose that every social drinker who downs a cup of wine with dinner or a glass of beer after mowing the lawn lays awake at night pondering the sins of those who misuse alcohol and then harm others?

      Again, you really believe that unless people view the subject just the same way you do then they are not in the "fight."

      Me living a good life, being a responsible husband and father, and raising several generations to be productive, law abiding citizens certainly puts me on the side of "right" in any "fight" you can think of against the forces of evil.

      You got a good heart, Cant, and that is to be commended. But you really need to concentrate on working through some of these concerns using a bit more logic and reasoning instead of knee-jerk emotionalism. Expecially if you are posting about basic concepts such as freedom and rights.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Okay Jack, I get ya. So then let me ask, how do you sleep at night knowing what you know? Do you just chalk it up as "that's just the way it is"? Is there no point in a fight?

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      Jack Burton 4 years ago from The Midwest

      Get back to us when you've found anywhere, at any time, in any society where the "wrong people" were kept from getting what was legal to everyone else.

      I'll even settle for the most totalitarian society you can find. But do note, even the Soviet Union had problems with their version of the mafia.

      And while you are searching for an answer take note of this story...

      "California sheriff's deputies accused of illegally selling weapons"

      http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/01/california-sh...

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Jack,

      I always appreicate your insight, and actually I do think you have a valid point. I guess if an American who appreicates his gun rights has to deal with fighting just to keep that right doesn't need/want the headache of fighting for a cause that interferes with his fight in the first place. I guess my thought is there has to be some way to allow the right people to own guns without necessarily having to fight all the time for it and a way to keep guns out of the wrong hands. There has to be a way to keep guns away from the wrong people, there has to. Or do we just say; "eh, it's gonna happen"?

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      Jack Burton 4 years ago from The Midwest

      So those who support the ACLU are supposed to go out and "fight" against those who slander other people?

      And all those who support the right to be free from unwarranted searches are supposed to go out and "fight" the police who break the 4th Amendment.

      And those who is willing to fight for the rights of Americans to marry whom they choose must also be willing to put "energy" into combating the side effects of more divorces?

      Can't confuses "agreeing with him" as "being willing to fight".

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      So as someone who is willing to fight for the rights of American's are you also willing to put any energy into fighting to combat the side effects?

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      Oppeakra 4 years ago from Min, USA

      Black market

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Oppeakra,

      I don't have anything against guns. I have something against violent people, criminals or mentally ill people having access to them.

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      Oppeakra 4 years ago from Min, USA

      "Then you have the die-hard Americans with guns and rights that don’t want to give up either. " According to you, I fall into that type. We want guns not only to protect ourselves from robbers, burglars, or for hunting reasons. It is to protect 'us' (the people) from 'them' (the government)

      "guns kill people" = "pencils misspell words"

      -The people

      "A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."

      - George Washington

      "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

      - Benjamin Franklin

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      The world is never going to be at peace, but it would sure be nice to not have to live like chihuahuas. "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself"? Maybe that's the problem; I'm not even particularly Godly, but I know what nation I was born in and I was born in nation founded on Christian principles. If I am going to defend our forefathers and support our nation than I am going to defend the grounds on which they were founded. How many commandments does the American public even follow anymore? Love thy neighbour? Yeah right. Everyone is an enemy, everyone is bad. Fear, fear, fear. What are we doing to our poor children and future generations? We are psychologically damaging and brainwashing them, but what other choice do we really have? We turn our heads to the problems. We are great at masking issues and sweeping things under rugs. Maybe we can't love our neighbour as we love ourselves because we have a lack of self-love. Maybe we are ashamed or guilted by the people that we have become and maybe we should be. It might sound like I'm a little hard on my own people, but that's because I feel like we all sit around watching the America implode and we just turn our heads! What is the matter with us? Do you really feel like owning a gun puts your life into perspective? Do you really feel like "all is well" now? I think it's gotten to a pretty sad place when we feel an extreme need to have to own a gun; we shouldn't even be living in a place like that.

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      Jack Burton 4 years ago from The Midwest

      Didn't say I had a "solution for world peace." Just said my solution was to work towards world peace. Kind of like when I hear a knocking from the car engine so I open the hood to see what is wrong. I don't have a solution to the knock yet, but I am working towards it.

      Again, this is why I directly quote the people I am answering. It avoids this type of misquoting about me having a solution for world peace.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      And what is the proposed solution for "world peace"? Quite frankly, I'm much more concerned about "American Peace". I think we spend way too much time and money worrying about foreign affairs than we do the problems we have at home.

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      Jack Burton 4 years ago from The Midwest

      My solution is to allow every law abiding person who wishes to have a firearm to have one AND to work for world peace and universal brotherhood in the meantime.

      My solution works wonders for both short term and long term.

      Those who only want to work for world peace and universal brotherhood tend to get screwed when confronted with an immediate need to protect themselves.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Jack,

      Don’t you realize that you are only cementing my point when bring to the attention victimized people and situations. My point is that maybe America and the people in it are in trouble and need of some help. We can either pass out guns to every citizen because everyone is a possible threat or we can try to remedy everyone being a possible threat? What kind of a place and time do we live in that I have to fear letting my children go out the front door and even worse; as a parent we want our children to feel safe but yet we almost have to educate them about being “aware” of the “bad people” out there. It is the world we are living in. The problem is bigger than guns.

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      Jack Burton 4 years ago from The Midwest

      cant sez: Why does a law-abiding citizen want a gun; to feel safe, safe from “bad guys”. Who are the “bad guys”; our American neighbor?

      Jack replies: I dunno.... but let's ask these two sisters from a small, rural town who were attacked this week in their own home if they need to feel safe from their "bad guy" neighbor in the next little town over.

      http://www.whas11.com/news/190614811.html

      Cant sez: Why do “bad guys” have guns

      Jack replies: Oddly enough, this "bad guy" did not have a gun but that did not stop him from attempting to overpower two ladies.

      Cant sez: Why don’t we work on the violence that we have embedded into society, try to save humanity and the nation and remove the agonizing feelings of fear that we’re forced to live with.

      Jack replies: I'd personally say the ladies did a great job of working on (and stopping) the violence in their lives, saved themselves, and are no longer feeling the agonizing fear of someone attacking them.

      cant sez: Instead of arming every American, why don’t we find a way to eliminate the need to fear our neighbors?

      Jack replies: It seems to me that this individual would have attacked the ladies whether or not they "feared" him. The choice was his and his alone.