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Sanders Voters in MA to Sue Bill Clinton for Trampling on Voting Rights - Seek Delegates be Awarded to Bernie

Updated on March 20, 2016
Clinton entering a polling station in Newton, MA.
Clinton entering a polling station in Newton, MA.

PDF of Complaint

Invoking voting rights laws and precedents commonly cited in such cases, a group of Bernie Sanders supporters who voted for Sanders in the Massachusetts Primary on March 1st are confronting what they say was illegal campaigning by Bill Clinton on behalf of Hillary Clinton. On that Tuesday, known as "Super Tuesday," reports emerged, to the consternation of Sanders supporters, that Bill Clinton was illegally campaigning within 150 feet of polling stations during voting hours, in some cases walking inside the stations, all of which Massachusetts law expressly prohibits. Laws governing how close to a polling station one can campaign on voting days are similar in all 50 states.

A draft copy of a civil action posted in a Drop Box account states:

"On March 1st, “Super Tuesday” in the Massachusetts Democratic primary...Bill Clinton, did disenfranchise a large group of voters by diluting their votes through illegal campaign activity in and near polling stations. This disenfranchisement was deliberate, carefully crafted, and effective."

The voters contend that far more than being a nuisance and exhibiting thoughtless disregard for the law, Clinton's actions were:

"carefully and deliberately calibrated to impact the electoral battlefield in such a way that the entire course of future primaries was affected."

The lawsuit takes note that throughout the day of the Massachusetts primary, Clinton and Sanders were "neck and neck," according to NBC News, with Sanders at one point pulling ahead. Boston Patch reporter Alison Bauter wrote afterwards that Massachusetts was considered by some to be a "must-win" for Sanders, as any momentum he had might have had would be stopped by a loss there. In the end Clinton won seven out of 11 races in states which were voting on that day, with Sanders taking four.

The complaint states:

"Given the large number of “undecided” voters and the extremely narrow margin of victory for Hillary Clinton, there was sufficient fluidity in the race for Bill Clinton’s illegal electioneering to have made a significant impact, and to have reversed the verdict of the voters by handing victory to Clinton rather than to Sanders. With 100,00 undecided voters and a margin of victory of only 16,800 votes, it is eminently plausible that Bill Clinton impacted the final result.

Hillary Clinton won the race by 1.4%.,

A February 28th Suffolk University poll showed 8% of likely Democratic primary voters to be undecided just two days before the primary, which would mean roughly about 100,000 votes. 1.2 million people voted in the Massachusetts Democratic primary on Super Tuesday, equaling the record number of voters who turned out in that primary in 2008, for Obama and Hillary Clinton. After Super Tuesday of that year, super delegates and endorsements quickly began to shift to Obama.


Clinton inside West Roxbury polling place.
Clinton inside West Roxbury polling place.

The lawsuit also names Massachusetts Secretary of State William Galvin as a defendant, and claims Galvin in essence looked the other way while Bill Clinton broke the law. The complaint reads:

"Secretary Galvin issued a statement during the controversy...which declared that Clinton’s entering the polling places alone was not illegal, as long he did not utter words such as “vote for Hillary.” This notion is beyond absurd. The former president did not land at ground zero of a key battleground state and enter the polls because there was no place else to get a cup of coffee. Bill Clinton does not need a button or a sign (which it is illegal to wear or display inside a polling place.) In his very person, the presidential candidate’s fabulously famous husband amounts to a walking, talking sign for Hillary."

Once inside the West Roxbury and Newton polling places, Clinton can be seen in videos and photographs shaking hands with election workers, having pictures taken with people, and charming the star-struck with his full security and media entourage in tow. In another video, the complaint notes, Clinton can be seen speaking through a bullhorn within 150 feet of a polling station and saying "I want to especially thank those of you who are supporting Hillary.”

The complaint says:

"Throughout the day, Bill Clinton was in campaign mode for his wife, as his motorcade, security detail, and large entourage occasionally reportedly blocked people from voting at the times they had set aside to do so, due to his large security presence and security requirements."

Lawsuit participants contend that shaking hands, having pictures taken, chatting and otherwise generating goodwill for a candidate, by her unabashedly partisan spouse who had no other business in the polling station, constitutes campaigning. At one point during the day, video shows Clinton apologizing to an audience that he was so hoarse from speaking that he had lost his voice.

In New Bedford, MA a fresh issue arose when the Sanders campaign received reports of people being hindered from voting at a polling place because of Clinton's appearance and security measures. The woman narrates:

“I haven’t seen one person be able to come in and be able to vote in here. Everything is blocked off. No person can park here. They are affecting the voting at this poll. It’s ridiculous. It’s fraud and illegal. From one side of the street to the other, there’s no way anybody can get down here to vote.”

Woman complaining people cannot vote because of Clinton security

The plaintiffs in the suit are as of yet unnamed, but say they will be filing this coming week, in Boston Federal Court. They are asking a judge to invalidate the Massachusetts results in punishment for Clinton's actions, exacerbated by his long reach, and to award the Massachusetts pledged delegates to Bernie Sanders. The plaintiffs argue:

"To merely reapportion a small number of delegates would do nothing to discourage similar future violations of electioneering laws, because in some cases, a small risk for getting caught might be worth it."

The plaintiffs say:

"Bill Clinton’s illegal activity throughout the day was neither trivial nor inconsequential. It significantly diluted the votes of people who in good faith voted for Bernie Sanders."

The plaintiffs contend that the remedy should be proportionate to the harm done. In the immediate outrage which scorched the Internet over Clinton's actions, a petition was started calling for his arrest which generated over 100,000 signatures at Change.org. Lawsuit organizers on Bernie Sanders Facebook pages are looking for other plaintiffs to step forward in the class action suit. These would be Massachusetts Sanders voters who believe they were "harmed," in legal parlance, by Clinton's alleged violations.


Clinton within 150 feet of a polling station, addressing a crowd through a bullhorn and "especially" thanking those "who are supporting Hillary"

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      Janine Carreau 15 months ago

      This is in my city although not my polling place. However it's in one of the neighborhoods myself and others gave our time to canvas for Bernie. It's hurtful to think that we did that, in honestly and good faith only for this guy to show up and make it hard for the people of New Bedford to even get to the poles because of his circus.

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      Vivian Hallmark 15 months ago

      I wish your group the best of luck in your lawsuit. It is very valid. Bill Clinton's activities and behavior were calculated, most certainly affecting the outcome of the primary! This is a corruption of the voting process.

      Do the Clintons have such greed for power that they would actually dare to pull these dirty tricks?

      Thank you for your efforts to call out this tampering with the voting process, which is often the one and only venue we have to voice our will.

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      Brian White 15 months ago

      Thank you all for taking this up with the law. I was wondering if this was even possible, it's a clear violation of the law for a former president and a member of a candidates campaign to be inside a polling station. Hopefully AG Maura Healey who is also a Clinton campaigner can't do anything to outright stop this before it gets to court.

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Oh give me a break. No one I know is that weak minded. It's his wife. He has every right to be there showing support. Would you sue Sanders if Jane was at polling place?

      He's clawing for votes. Just like he had Ohio law CHANGED so 17 yrs olds nearing 18 could vote....why? Thats his demographic, that's why.

      Why isn't he disavowing anti Hillary ads made by Karl Rove?

      Why? Cause it helps him, that's why.

      Isn't that dirty tricks, too?

      Sanders is using everything he can think of to win, including the possibility of brokered convention, just like the gop.

      Good luck on lawsuit, which would make it illegal for spouses to support their husband or wife.

      Sorry Bill has more clout than Jane....the Sanders are working on that, too.

      As is their every right to do.

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      Egil Henrik Lehmann 15 months ago

      Is the Law equal for all, or are some persons above the Law ?

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Well, it appears to me they are saying Bill Clinton has no right to stand and support his wife.

      Would that apply to all husbands?

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      Tip 15 months ago

      The law is the law. OOPS I forgot.....they don't apply to the Clintons!

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      Janet Homza 15 months ago

      I would have voted for Hilary if Bernie did not make it but Bill ruined that for Hilary. I am against corruption and the Clintons prove that they are not against it time and time again.

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      Christine 15 months ago

      Yes to all spouses IF it included physically breaking the law, but yes

      especially if the crowds and traffic that he brought with him disrupted

      a smooth flow of our electoral process. Bill obstructed, interfered, and

      distracted by his circus. Who Bill WAS definitely puts him in a class

      other than the "common spousal support". Does his having been a

      president not carry with it some responsibilities and obligations, as

      well as privileges galore ??? Does that not remove him from the status of "just a spouse"? It's a misuse of past power brought forward!!!

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Well, then, that means Jeb Bush couldn't campaign with his mother, or have his brother (past president) speak for him at rallies.

      How far you want to take this?

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      KWilson 15 months ago

      The lawsuit does nothing of the kind: It simply recognizes the facts that,

      a) Clinton has no business being inside a polling place during ANY election, unless he is VOTING there, and

      b) electioneering is ILLEGAL, as is voter obstruction.

      By the way, if Jane Sanders had been trolling ballot boxes on Super Tuesday, Hillary supporters would already have had her lynched.

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Jane Sanders is black?

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      Beth Aaron 15 months ago

      No longer in America, can there be two sets of laws or double standards in moral behavior. That has gone on long enough which is why I stand strong for the Honorable( and he earned that title unlike others)Senator Bernard Sanders, a stalwart fighter for truth and justice .

      Clinton's both proved their untrustworthiness, Trump proved his propensity for violence and task master bigotry, totally not Christian-like, and the lot of Republicans prove their ONLY pro-life when it comes to a woman's body, not killing innocent children if, Gd forbid, we ever massacred Iranians for what?

      American politics has culminated in what greed, perversion of moral law, bowing to Golden Calf has always manifest, decay of social norms and disease.

      Empires rise and fall under the weight of their own malfeasance. Meanwhile, our air is being choked with methane( 51% from raising 65 billion so called farmed animals, also the cause of deforestation, water pollution, and so called chronic as well as infectious diseases)oceans emptied and choked with excess Co2, and ONLY Bernie tries like hell, to address the most dire environmental crisis humans created.

      What a self defeating species we are. Our entire narrative of economics above all else, undermines our own survival and the survival of bees, other mammals, reptiles, and more. Truly, it is we humans who are the invasive species needing to manage our own numbers. Dare anyone mention that on a planet of 70% water, 30% land, raising feed to fatten 65 billion so called farmed animals, that this insane system is counter productive and self defeating.

      Yes, this is ranting but it IS true and people who care about Creation, another word for environment, should care.

      Please see www.cowspiracy.com/facts/ and support the only candidate who speaks truth to pathological power. Bernie is a righteous man with moral and sincere intent, unlike his opponent or any other war monger candidate claiming, falsely, to be Christian. If they were, they'd be talking about saving Creation, not bombing her or building walls.

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      sharon illenye 15 months ago

      I read that his entourage had so many vehicles that voters who had to get back to work, turned away and may have decided not to vote. He was given warnings, and yet went to 3 other polling places. Also, he did this same kind of activity in Chicago as well, obviously not having learned a lesson

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      Rolling My Eyes 15 months ago

      Lovemychris, spousal or family support at rallies is perfectly fine. We want to "take this" exactly where it stands. Bill Clinton, who I voted for and supported by the way, broke the laws with intent and calculation by campaigning at multiple polling places where it is absolutely not allowed. He also disenfranchised voters by blocking access to a polling site during prime lunchtime hours. Mr Clinton may travel the entire country and show support for his wife just as Jeb Bush was welcome to drag his mother and brother out to support him. No problem with any of that. He may NOT, however, enter or impede a polling station on election day in Mass. to do so. Nobody can. I always thought I would eventually be casting my vote for Hillary for President. I voted for her husband and President Obama. The dishonesty, lack of integrity and crippled moral compass in the Clinton campaign just floors me this election cycle. She will never get my vote even if she steals the nomination. She is appalling and the Dem party no longer represents the people of America.

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Well I may say the same for Sanders, who changed the law to get his votes upped, and says nothing about Hillary-bashing ads telling people to vote for him, made by Karl Rove. Welcome to politics.

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      Cindynsg 15 months ago

      This stuff has been happening where ever the race is close. The Bernie campaign has been infiltrated by DNC/ CLINTON campaign.https://m.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu...

      I called the officials here in MA. I was told bill did NOTHING WRONG! Needless to say, I signed the petition to sue.

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      Rp 15 months ago

      actually the only thing sanders had changed was for the primaries.. and it only affects those who will be 18 by election day... thats it... if they are legal to vote during the election they should be allowed to cast their vote in the primary... and with bill as others stated his presence alone caused issue people were unable to even enter the building... bill has a permanent secret service detail as do all former presidents and with that comes a security perimeter that cannot be breached... he prevented people from voting by being where he was... sanders wife does not carry that same protection detail that would shut down an area... its a simple fact... bill could have literally stood on the other end of the parking lot with 100k watt sound system and it wouldnt break the law... but he decided to physically enter the buildings... thats when it became illegal

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Well, we shall see, wont we? I HIGHLY doubt he would break the law during a prez election, but that's just me.

      But go on and sue. Then Sanders can really join Rove in bashing Hillary. Rove, the true nemesis of the Clintons, who has done some really horrid things to them and other democrats

      http://truthinjustice.org/siegelman.htm

      Rove, who is using his PAC to make adds for Sanders, who isn't a democrat.

      Sanders, using the democratic party to get votes, because, as he told Hegdes, he is running as a dem so he doesn't end up like Nader.

      Getting help from a democrat's true enemy, to destroy a real democrat so he can win an election.

      .....Then govern as a socialist, which is the gd party he should have run under in the 1st place.

      Morals/Law....there are plenty of gauges to judge people by.

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      Brian White 15 months ago

      Bernie Sanders DID NOT change the law in Ohio. The Ohio secretary of state changed the law to prevent 17yo who would be 18 in november from voting in the primary as they had always been able to. Bernie sued and got the law restored. Also I most certainly wouldn't want any candidates spouses or other public campaign figures inside polling stations. If Bill Clinton wanted to campaign in MA on voting day he needed to stay 150 away from every polling station, because he is a walking advertisement for Hillary. Saying he was just inside to "say hello" and not campaign is an obfuscation of the law. Even if it's not technically illegal it just adds to the list of shady Clinton campaigning.

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      And why did Sanders do what he did? Perhaps for the same reason Bill showed up at polls..

      To get votes by hook or crook.

      Kitchen is hot. Obviously ole Bernie is not above turning up the heat. Shouldn't cry when others do.

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      David S. 15 months ago

      Not a problem. My mind is made up unless someone really has got a great reason for me to change my mind.

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      Jeffrey Williams 15 months ago

      Yesssssssssssssssssssssss!!!! Thank you and Thank you again may these rat bastards get everything they deserve. Disgusting, lying, cheating bastards!!!

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      Diana C 15 months ago

      What happened with Bill Clinton is illegal for everyone. Even if you are running for dog catcher your spouse or parents or children cannot be within 150 of a polling place. The presence of relatives of anyone one the ballot is illegal and considered to be campaigning even without signs! As a warden for a polling place I would have been very intimidated to ask Bill Clinton with his secret service people all around to get back 150 feet! When you work for an election department you take an oath to do your job to the best of your ability. The wardens and clerks and police officers involved should have pointed out the law and forced Bill to move away from the polling place especially if his presence delayed people from voting!!!

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      Krista R. 15 months ago

      lovemychris: if you knew voting laws you could argue that Bernie sued oh to get his way buy that is just untrue. Voting laws in oh states that if you will be 18 by the time of the election in Nov, you can vote in the primary. Its about one of 20(?) Or so states that allow this. An oh senator tried to take this right AWAY, and that why Bernie sued. Because those kids have a right yo vote. Are they ALL going to vote for him? No, some will still vote for her, he did it because right to vote is had by all that the law covers. Why did he win that case? Because its THE LAW. Bernie is not above the law nor does he pretend to be. She however, thinks that she can send her husband to polling places to pander, yes PANDER votes. Did Bernie send Jane to polling places? No? Then your argument on that is bunk, too. Bernie knows he doesn't have to pull shady shenanigans to get votes, but clearly, Hilbillary is scared enough to think she'll lose. Bill has every right to support his wife, just not inside polling places or within 150 ft of them because its THE LAW.

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      melissa l. 15 months ago

      thankyou for upholding the law against the rich and powerful, the arrogance in flouting the law in this case is so insulting

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      Theodore Bosen 15 months ago

      I am an attorney in MA with years of election law experience. These violations are outrageous. If anyone else tried them, they would be hauled off in cuffs. Sign me up if you need assistance on the case!

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      AngelaCares 15 months ago

      First, standing right outside polling places with a megaphone thanking those who vote for Hillary is a direct violation of the law. Second of all... For those who bring up the point about the spouses of other candidates, etc., yes, the same goes for them... BUT ALSO, there's no other candidate whose spouse is one of the most revered and charismatic ex-Presidents of the U.S.! I actually really liked Bill Clinton as president, but the law is the law... And it was obvious by his charming smile that it was expected for everyone to look the other way, because who throws an ex-President out of anything??? I could go on about the subliminal and persuasive psychological effects him standing there has... But again, it was blatant, snubbing their noses at the rules, as if he and Hillary are above that. Really? Do we want a president coming in to office with that kind of audacity and belief of exception?

      In addition, I believe they should do the same in Illinois, because apparently Bill was doing the same there. So many telling things from this... It's time to stop this... And send a message that the rules/laws apply to everyone.

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      Marie Seaver 15 months ago

      lovemychris: You are obviously a HUGE Hilliary supporter, so let me ask you this....

      WHY DOES RUPERT MURDOCH ENDORSE HILLARY?

      "I could live with Hillary as President." ~ Rupert Murdoch

      And WHY does he give her money for her campaign??

      Can you please explain this? Thanks!

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      MilesM 15 months ago

      lovemychris, you're an idiot. The issue is not relatives or spouses campaigning for candidates. It's them breaking laws within the polling areas. That's not permissible for anyone. It wasn't like Bill showed up to vote and went home. He campaigned. At four different polling locations.

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      Liadan 15 months ago

      Unbelievable.

      Can they find even ONE person who said, "I voted for Hillary because Bill was at my polling site?"

      Public officials have already determined no laws were broken. Snopes has concluded no laws were broken.

      Sanders people are going to court for any and everything. Every time we turn around, there is another lawsuit being filed on behalf of Bernie.

      This lawsuit is not designed to gain delegates from Mass., because there are no grounds. Its designed to besmirch Hillary and get more voters in the upcoming elections.

      Smacks of absolute desperation and is despicable. I understand now why Karl Roves Super Pac is working for Bernie.

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      KeepMediaHonest 15 months ago

      This is silly season. The MA Sec of State has said he's reviewed the complaint and it's closed, there was no violation. Even if a violation was assumed, there would only be a $20.00 fine. Review the state law regarding this issue. It's not a federal law, it's a state law.

      https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/T...

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      KeepMediaHonest 15 months ago

      State explains why Bill Clinton's polling place visits were legal.

      "McNiff also clarified that Clinton broke no laws during his visits to the interior of polling places because he was not handing out any flyers or voting materials for Hillary Clinton. He was seen shaking hands with workers in West Roxbury, but not handing out information. Brian McNiff, spokesman for Massachusetts Secretary of State William Galvin, for an answer.

      "No one was prevented from voting," McNiff said about the New Bedford event. "The city and voters were notified well in advance of the event."

      Additionally, Galvin is quoted by the New York Times as explaining that poll workers were warned in advance of Clinton's arrival. He told the newspaper that they took the extra precaution because, "You don't usually get a president doing this."

      http://www.wcvb.com/politics/state-explains-why-bi...

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      TrollSlayer 15 months ago

      lovemychris -- is a typical mindless bigot. Paid for by the Hillary campaign. Leave the nasty troll alone. It has no meaning in life except to harass others. Good luck with that.

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Thanks media. No laws broken, only feelings hurt because bill is a help to her in certain places where dems are appreciated, not demonized. And wasn't it a Sanders worker who was caught breaking into hillarys voting list? And isn't there a more recent Sanders worker caught doing something....really illegal, not cry baby illegal?

      Yes, he is desperate. And yes, that corrupt Bushes Brain is helping Sanders.

      Sanders spits on Democrats by not repudiating Rove, who is a known Republican operative and true enemy of democrats.

      Much like some hubber here. ;-)

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      Tim 15 months ago

      Rehash of old news. The Mass state authorities already responded earlier in March. The issue is not going anywhere. If you weren't such a lazy reporter you would've jumped on the latest bill clinton did ...which is he did the same thing in IL & MO. But that's water under the bridge by now also... News reporting used to have some integrity. All you've become now is propaganda that rewrites old news to solicit response for your sponsors. Look inside your character and be something that contributes to society instead of something that leeches.

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      LISAT2U 15 months ago

      I am so glad they decided to sue. The news crew videotaped him last week in a south side Chicago Election Area doing the same thing. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/15/1501902/-B... plus they caught her at a north carolina voting area canvassing on election day. we could do the same in arizona since he will be doing it just stand at least 75 feet from the election area thats the law in arizona and have a supporter at each voting place. they want to play dirty and above the law then lets do this

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      sanduchi13 15 months ago

      I am so happy to hear of this. This is the affected changes that Bernie Sanders is bringing about. No more are we accepting the status Quo. I am with them and if they need a find to support their legal expenses please post it as I know I will and am sure my brothers and sisters in this will support with even a dollar. My brothers and sisters in Bernie rock the pasta.

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      saraalexander 15 months ago

      Lovemychris is a $hillary supporter judging by her comments.

      Lmao. Leslie, you can't even make a sound argument. (Jane Sanders is black? COME ON, you can't even address the point.) You're embarrassing yourself.

      Hillary is bad, untrustworthy, scummy, ETC. , you and I both know it, but you're too balls deep in her court to change now, right? So just make weak arguments riddled with fallacies until maybe one day you actually believe yourself. Lol.

      Many states allow 17 year olds to vote in the primaries if they will be 18 by the general election, that changing isn't illegal, in fact it was changed legally.... Unlike what Bill has done here. Even the dimmest, most politically apathetic person could tell you with ease that what Bill Clinton did was UNETHICAL, regardless of whether it was legal or not. Some of it is "technically" legal, sure, but if people were unable to vote because of him being at their poll, THAT is illegal and immoral. That is NOT democracy. I'm rooting for the plaintiff, 100%.

      Hillary is DESPERATE to be POTUS, just to say she could finally do it. She doesn't give a shit about you or me; her focus is on wall street and private prisons, and other shitty establishments that funnel money into her campaign. Now WHY would they give her hundreds of thousands - millions of dollars? To be "regulated" by her if she wins? Hahaha. Wall street has something to gain by her winning.... You have nothing to gain. I could go on for ages, but I know none of it will matter to you, because you've been a staunch shillary supporter, and you won't change now, because that would just be embarrassing, right?

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      Ruth Johnston 15 months ago

      I'm pretty sure even Hillary supporters understand how weak and desperate their arguments sound. Comparing Jebs family campaigning at a rally-NOT breaking the law. Comparing rotten apples to oranges.

      Bernie scratching for votes vs. Sanders supporters fed up with ALL the corrupt shenanigans. Simply not the same thing and not valid defense. Have several seats.

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Why would I change? It was a while before I made up my mind, because I like a lot of what Sanders says...have for years, btw.

      But, I don't like his anger so much. Don't like that HIS people use shenanigans, and don't like the fact he's using the establishment he also berates.

      Just like Trump is doing.

      And they use the establishment exactly for the reasons they claim to fight against it!

      Too powerful, too much money, etc.

      What do you expect Dems and Repubs to do, accept the abuse?

      I became a dem when Howard Dean ran for prez. Was a true Deaniac, LOVED the scream. He supports Hillary, and so do enough of those whose values I can agree with.

      I'm not paid, nor would I go out and hold signs for her. I just like her. Like her fight and tenacity. Like that she mentions mothers of the movement in her speeches, since I'm a mom and gramma, and believe 100% in that movement.

      Like that she's brought up women and their issues for decades. Like that she went back to saying what she was mocked and shunned for in the past:

      We need more love and kindness in the world.

      As far as Murdoch saying he could live with her...know who else says that? People who call themselves Rockefeller Republicans.

      Go figure. We're not all haters.

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      Lagunadeb 15 months ago

      You peeps must have nothing to do. Any citizen can walk into any polling station they want to, they can't be wearing buttons or at shirts that say vote for Hilliary. But they can look at the addresses of voters and go to their house to ask them to vote, they can stand 100 feet away from polling site and say what ever they want. You peeps just have money to burn and time. To kill, be out campaigning for your candidate instead of trying to kick up sand that will not stick anywhere.

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      Christin Sander 15 months ago from Midwest

      Those who blindly support Clinton refuse to see the truth about her corruption. Bill didn't show up there just for fun - he knowingly broke the law, because the law apparently only applies to the rest of us - never the Clintons. I suppose Hillary had the private email server because she was just too stupid to know better? Or in her arrogance decided the rules don't apply to her. Good grief, the things people will justify from them. I can't understand it. I hope a real, actual liberal party is born after this - a real people's party/movement. The Clintons have always been good at spin and manipulation - and to the very detriment of the people who tend to support them the strongest - low information voters who don't study policy and only vote based on what they "learn" from mass media and pundits. This whole race is deplorable and the corruption of the DNC makes them no longer any better than the RNC - a rigged system with the "illusion of choice".

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      Johanna Stohrer 15 months ago

      The same thing happened in Illinois. Both Attorneys General (MA & IL) have publicly endorsed HRC. That is a blatant conflict of interest, since the AGs are sworn to uphold voter laws and MUST remain neutral. (Check out Maura Healey's Facebook page!) Oh, and whoever it was who said he didn't interfere with voting, the New Bedford polling station was closed for TWO HOURS by the Secret Service during voting hours. He also had his picture taken with a voter holding his ballot inside the polling place with none other than Mayor Marty Walsh. The corruption is unbelievable.

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Wow...so now I'm low information voter who only listens to media....for supporting Hillary.

      When I didn't support Bush, I was an America hater.

      May I bow to the great genius of those who support Sanders, and those of yore who supported Bush.

      This is making it hard to support Sanders even if he gets the nod.

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      Cheryl Hain 15 months ago

      The law to restrict ANYONE, who is not voting or working as a poll worker from being inside the polling place, or within a certain number of feet was passed for a reason. Everyone should have the right to vote without interference. I am glad he likes his wife, but what he did was illegal and unacceptable. As a person who voted in the Ohio primary when I was 17, turning 18 by election day I can guarantee everyone that the legal action taken in Ohio was to preserve a right that many of us had the benefit of for many years. The move to deny that right to young people was deliberate move to influence the primary results.

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      Wayne P. 15 months ago

      I agree 100% with this. The Clintons have become far too big to fail and this sets precedence for future infractions should it be allowed to go unchecked.

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      Carolyn Roux 15 months ago

      Bill Clinton should not have been allowed to use a bull horn outside talking to people in line. The line was held up for an hour or two which made several people unable to vote as the poll closed. Bill also was allowed inside the polls taking selfies with people while you could see the voting stalls with people voting in the background. This was a planned situation as the Mayer was at one of the 2 polls involved. This is not okay. It's against Massachusetts law.

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      Logan H. 15 months ago

      Just like Chris Christie shut down a bridge to stall one of his oponents, Bill Clinton and his secuirty detail delayed the voting process for many voters. The Clintons are calculatingly cold. A bullhorn right outside a polling center? Yah Jane Sanders was doing that in Vermont.

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      munkle 15 months ago

      It seems that Clinton supporters are just as dishonest as the Clintons themselves, by making the argument to mean that you can't support your spouse. Clearly it is INSIDE the legal barrier that the article is about, but Clinton people and truth are strangers.

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Well, then the mass Sec of State is a nutcase, cause he said there was no law broken. Read up about 6 hrs ago.

      Of course, to Clinton bashers, nothing any body says will convince them otherwise. And btw, I would have been star-struck to see Bill Clinton, but no way on God's green EARTH would that influence my vote. If I'm going in to vote bernie, im not saying oh, wow--i was going to vote sanders, but not now.

      Just like Bernie had that law restored to favor his chances, right? Because it never seemed to bother him before this year, did it?

      And I suppose Jane's trip to tent city was not meant to sway voters, either? Please get real.

      And it's only going to get worse. Like all of you, Sanders seems to think he's the only real progressive or liberal. You all may eat those words. His bona fides will be scrutinized, like the Clintons have been since the 1990s.

      And as John Lewis said about his claim of marching with MLK, "I never saw him"

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      Visitor 15 months ago

      What bothers me is that he made it difficult for people to actually get to the polls. In New Bedford, he was about 50 ft in front of the polling location: Buttonwood Warming House. The street he was on was basically closed. He could have gone to the other side of Court Street by the zoo or at least gotten out of the road and stepped toward the park.

      For an older person with mobility issues or disabled voters who have trouble walking from blocks away where they'd have to park, how is that fair? He's an inconsiderate asshole. I don't think Bernie should get the delegates for that, but I do think there should be consequences for blatant disregard for the law.

      https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comme...

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      visitor 15 months ago

      lovemychris, The Ohio law wasn't a problem in previous elections. The law didn't change, it always said 17 year olds could vote if they were 18 by the general elections. I voted at the age of 17 in 2004 in the primaries in Ohio. And Sanders wasn't the only one to file a suit.

      Jane's trip was to sway voters, obviously. It's a bit different than blocking a street off and standing out front with a bullhorn.

      And I'm sure that John Lewis knew and spoke to everybody marking with MLK...

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      visitor 15 months ago

      *marching

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      This is whats going on here:

      "I recently read an article at Crooks and Liars by Karoli which basically has Tad Devine and Jeff Weaver, Sanders campaign managers, outlining a new strategy to flip already pledged delegates from Clinton to Sanders, in effect shitting all over the votes cast by Democrats and virtually dismissing those who have already spoken as members of the Dem party."

      http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/20/1504186/-T...

      Using dems to get elected, Crapping all over us, as shown on these hub comments. Calling themselves the real democrats, and Bernie the real progressive leader.

      Going so far as telling a dem superstar to get the heck away from THEiR voting booth.

      Its really foul. Go 3rd party, but that would require actual integrity.

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      munkle 15 months ago

      Logan H. said "The Clintons are calculatingly cold."

      Yes I'm sure the Clinton's guessed there might be repercussions to putting Bill right at polling places WHERE THE VOTES ARE, no sense wasting time at shopping centers where none of the idiots vote. They figured there would be some outraged rumbling about being "above the law" and all that (ha ha, aren't we?) But it would die down to just more screwed over munchkins in munchkinland. No way could they lose MA to Bernie Sanders, and split the Super Tuesday states while letting him say he stole MA from Hillary. Calculated risk. As the munchkins hollar Hillary is on her way to the nomination so who cares?

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Sanders raised 42 mil in feb. 1,000's marked illegal by the FEC.

      Hotair.com

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      Ann Gold 15 months ago

      God, please put these criminals behind bars soon and not back in the WH. We need an impeached ex-president and his under-FBI-investigation wife in the WH again? Haven't we learned anything?

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      NW Mary 15 months ago

      If he wasn't there to influence, why was he there? To block voters?

      I sent an email from Seattle because it is another form of corruption that is winked at by incumbents who are apparently afraid to demand that former presidents follow the intent of the law. No surprise. But at some point, we common people should demand that it stop.

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      Patty Rosado 15 months ago

      I have many friends in the State of MA who were infuriated by the display by our former President. I see posts here trying to justify or make excuses because it is evident that they are her supporters. The law is the law and too many times already her campaign has crossed the line. Bernie supporters are in it to win, but legally and fairly. This nonsense has got to stop. There are more issues surfacing about illegal actions by their campaign and if they really believe that after all this, they can unite the party, they are in for a rude awakening. Not going to happen. Most Independents who are supporting Bernie are not going to vote for her.

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      Valerie Cullins 15 months ago

      Bill Clinton Did most certainly break the law.He was much closer than 150 from what I see. You're not supposed to be stumping for anyone at an election poll let alone go inside. He also blocked people from voting. Polls were closed for 2 hours. As for Bernie, he did not change the law in Ohio. They tried to change the law last minute to help hiliary . That's also the way they cheated but they didn't get away with it.

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      Kathleen 15 months ago

      It is actually illegal for him to enter a polling place where he neither votes nor works to show support for a candidate. It is illegal to electioneer closer than 150ft to a polling place & it is illegal to interfere in any way with voters ability to enter & vote. He is continuing this in NC & NY & other states because he can. With impunity.

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      NW Mary 15 months ago

      I your face elitist privilege. What has happened to our protectors of justice?

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      As is evident here, and is evident with Trump supporters, and those who still praise Bush....we all support who we support, and nothing is going to change it. So, when things start coming out about Sanders, (I've mentioned a couple here), you will ignore and justify too.

      That is just the nature of the beast. And we all fight hard for what we believe.

      Just wait and see. None of you Sanders supporters care that his campaign got hold of hillarys private campaign info and used it!, nor that some of his donations have been deemed illegal. Mr no money in politics raised $12 million more than Hillary in february.

      And he has a huge PAC supporting him, and he takes money from lobbiest. Does that matter to you? No. Just watch how quickly none of it will.

      We focus on the good. We focus on the positives. What we want for our prez. The harassing is going to kill it.

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      NW Mary 15 months ago

      Irrelevant. Forget Bernie. This is about the law. What is with the Bernie thing? Or is flaunting the intent of the law okay with you if it is Bill Clinton?

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      You assigned that motive to him, I don't buy it. I see its moved from breaking the law to flaunting the intent.

      Well, if someone has an intent, you would have to know it from that person.

      You say he went there to get people to vote for Hillary? Well, doesn't Jane want people to vote for Bernie? But because he's an ex president, he needs to stay away, is that it? If he is a plus for Hillary, she's not supposed to use it? Wait til California primary....Let's see how angry you get when celebrities show up for Sanders.

      Or will that be ok....you know what I say: of course it will. Know how I know this? Because I told you in these comments that the FEC said 1,000's of Sanders donations are illegal. Do you care about the justice there? Apparently not. You care about what you perceive to be rotten bill and hillarys intent, nothing more.

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      NW Mary 15 months ago

      Motive? to Bill - yes. what has Jane to do with this? You need to clarify your point. or is this simple sophistry?

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Take his being president out of it. He's a husband stumping for his wife, just like Jane stumps for Bernie.

      But since he's a high profile celebrity, it becomes flaunting the law.

      I say again, wait til Cali. Lot of high profile celebrities will be stumping for Bernie.

      Let's see if it's flaunting the law then.

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      NW Mary 15 months ago

      "Stumping for his wife" illegally at polling places on election day. No, Jane hasn't done that. I don't see your point and since Jane hasn't done that, your comment is irrelevant anyway. I think you've lost the point of the article. But have a good day.

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      hoangtung401av 15 months ago

      good

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      Rolling My Eyes 15 months ago

      LovemyChris, your desperate defense of the Clinton's could not be any more pathetic or blatant. I can see why you support her. You are as morally and ethically bankrupt as the Clintons are. The lawsuit is quite pointedly about blocking voters access to the polls for a period of time (preventing their legal right to vote) and engaging and swaying undecided voters at the polling locations by illegally campaigning inside and just outside a polling place with calculated intent to affect the vote in a close race. Whether you feel the laws are just or stupid, it is the law! That is what the law suit is about. It is not about Jane Sanders or Jeb Bush or Bill Clinton or movie stars hitting the streets or tent cities or rallies to stump for their candidate. Campaign support anywhere outside of the legally defined polling station is clearly both ethical and permissible. Nobody said Clinton cannot support his wife in her campaign, only that he cannot break the law to do so. I won't even address the fact that you sneer at everyone for refusing to accept the MA SOS "No harm. No foul" in this matter and yet refuse to acknowledge that a state court agreed that the recent slick change in law disenfranchising 17 year olds at the primary was dirty pool and would not be allowed. Thanks for further reminding us of what your candidates campaign is willing to do to cheat and win but again, it is deflection. The dirty attempt to disenfranchise legal primary voters who always had that right to vite in OH was overturned by the OH courts because it was WRONG. No. We don't agree with the local Hillary-supporting authorities who say Bill could be there. He is on video breaking the law. There are voters who have signed complaints that his presence illegally blocked them from voting. By your logic, as long as voters are notified in advance that the polls will only be open for 18 minutes the whole day, it would not be illegal to prevent access to them the rest of the day. I call bullshit. Voters were there to vote and were not able to walk in for hours due to his security blockade. That is illegal. Deflect all you like with your desperate arguments about Sanders. Sanders isnt named in the lawsuit because he and his wife only appeared at their polling location to cast their own vote. They did not attempt to campaign at or block access to any polling locations. Nice deflecting but none of your arguments will be heard in this suit because they have nothing to do with the suit and don't hold water. So you have an issue with Sanders, his wife, how he runs his campaign, or his funding and please, do you REALLY want to broach the subject of campaign funding for this election when your candidate Hillary is raking in millions from the same special interests who crippled our economy, poison our food and water and imprison people for profit???Really?All of Sanders money comes from low dollar donations from working people and their unions, NOT special interests and not Karl Rove unless he also made some personal small donation to Bernie Sanders like every other Joe Schmoe. He would be as entitled to do that as anyone else. How much influence will that buy if everyone is limited to the same amount? None. Bernie has ZERO superPacs. How many does Hillary have again? Too many to keep track of, all special interests. If you feel otherwise about Sanders you'll have to start your own investigation. Take your issues with Sanders and go request an investigation or law suit or whatever you feel is justified. It is all completely irrelevant in a law suit about the Clinton's illegal behavior. Stick to the point. I voted for and supported Bill. I will personally enjoy seeing one or both of them penalized for the endless flouting of the law in this campaign. She has lost my vote permanently. And don't try to tell me if it comes down to Hillary or Trump that I should hold my nose and vote for the lesser evil. I don't vote for evil. My vote is with Bernie Sanders and the American people.

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      Scott O.J. 15 months ago

      """Well, then, that means Jeb Bush couldn't campaign with his mother, or have his brother (past president) speak for him at rallies.

      How far you want to take this?"""

      You are quite the ignorant louse, ain't ya?

      Hmmmmm, let's SEE..............POLLING PLACE.......rally....POLLING PLACE......rally.

      Knucklehead, DERP!

      Face it, you have SO lost this round, LMAO!

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      Hector Danson 15 months ago

      I've been reading this with interest on the sidelines. I feel compelled to comment now because it's just getting ridiculous. Going to a polling station, disrupting voting, and breaking election laws is not the same as campaigning for your spouse/relative or being endorsed by a celebrity. Lovemychris, I don't know how you can so persistently misrepresent the argument at hand when so many people have explained it to you. It amazes me how people can twist stuff to match their preexisting beliefs, and this is probably the worst case I've seen.

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      Dan 15 months ago

      Hector, it isn't an argument of two sides. It's a swarm of people that know what Clinton has done, and one idiot Hillary-bot "lovemychris" using deflection arguments attacking Bernie Sanders by irrelevant comparisons that make absolutely no sense. I went into this election neutral about Clinton, my state still didn't have a primary, and probably would have went third party in a general election if Clinton somehow cheated her way through. But after seeing the amount of manipulation and corruption so far, something like 10 states now that have issues with voter tampering. My vote is likely to change from third party to Trump. This country simply cannot afford to have another Clinton in office, the amount of desperation and political favors being abused by her frightens the hell out of me.

      Trump may have the nuance of a chimpanzee bashing rocks together, but at least he doesn't have the connections to mobilize the next global war or desire to lock us in the worst trade agreement in history that will be the inevitable downfall of our nation.

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      Joseph McCombe 15 months ago

      Lovemychris=low info voter. Keep typing Sad little Clinton troll.

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      Ruby 15 months ago from United States

      He can walk inside the poll, he just can't try to get peoples votes. This was already on the news and it was shown he was just saying hi to the people running the voting poll. I am not a fan of Clinton at all so if this was legit I would want it to have publicity. However this is an old settled matter.

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      feetontheground 15 months ago

      MA Primary: Unadjusted Exit poll Indicates Bernie won https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2016/03/02/ma...

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      Dan Aronson 15 months ago

      Guys, we need to quit engaging Hillary's vast army of mindless zealots (see, lovemychris). It's a waste of time. If you don't believe me, try engaging any of them in a substantive discussion on the issues and how Hillary plans to . . .

      * Revitalize the Middle-Class that "her" Wall Street destroyed in 2008. Remember in the debate she said, "I represented Wall Street when they were attacked on 9-11". Has she ever talked about representing Middle Class New York as a Senator? Nope.

      * Ensuring that the bill for the next Wall Street bailout doesn't get handed, yet again, to taxpayers.

      * Getting us out of our endless involvement in war-for-profit, regime change, and nation building in the the Middle East. She helped start those conflicts as a Senator (Bernie opposed them vehemently) and escalate them as Secretary of State. She has apologized for the vote, but never to the parents, siblings, and children of the 5,000+ brave men and women of our armed forces who came home in body bags, the thousands more who came home missing limbs, or the tens of thousands more who came home mentally broken. When do they get their apology lovemychirs?

      And that is just the short list. But just try getting answers from a HRC supporter on just those three. Or, skip engaging these mindless zealots and get the vote out. As we saw in Michigan, the only winning formula is to outnumber the mindless -- and that will go triple for November when we face the GOP.

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Oooops. I think you may be wrong about Bernie. On war, environment, safety of our citzens. But then it won't matter, as you're just as much zealots as anybody.

      I have never seen anyone fair and impartial around here. Some just suffer from the delusion that they are.

      Go Bernie or Bust. But what about womens rights?

      Under the bus they go. See ya in the collaseum! Or is it fencing dual? En guard.

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      MommaKat 15 months ago

      No one is saying Bill cannot campaign for our support his wife, lovemychris, only that he must do so legally. And roob, it is not settled by any means as video dies indeed show Bill campaigning within the free Zone and specifically thanking people for voting for Hillary. Galvin admitted Clinton's wrong doing by stating his office issued a warning to Clinton's campaign. That warning occurred before his visits to 2 more polling locations, and he did it again in Chicago. Clinton's actions clearly demonstrate their belief that they're above the law. This is not a coronation, and they need to be held accountable.

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      Dan 15 months ago

      lovemychris, you sound like one of those people that argue the only reason we should vote Hillary is to block Trump. How is that by any means a standard to support a candidate, we choose Bernie because we discovered via social media since MSM/pundits is doing their best to sling mud on Bernie's image.

      Using Trump as reason to vote for a candidate has got to be the lowest bar that has EVER been set for picking someone. I might as well choose a dog, well, after all Hillary barks like one, I still would rather have a real dog. At least a dog doesn't support TPP.

      Woman's rights aren't going to vanish under republican leadership, you're once again deflecting your support into fear baiting the opponent. We support Sanders because simply put, his policies agree with us. We didn't choose Sanders because the republicans suck.

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      Ruby 15 months ago from United States

      MommaKat I can't stand Clinton but you are wrong. That video is old news and it was already established he was just saying hi. Go do some research, that video is from weeks ago. No one is even talking about that anymore. On the megaphone he thanks people who are supporting hillary. He is not soliciting a vote. She lied to the FBI, bring that one up. There is real evidence there, not here.

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Right, if so, the FBI will handle it. Benghazi, e mails, let's see, she's a fool for staying with bill, but a femi nazi for not baking cookies. Derp to the nth degree. And this may surprise you, but I'm voting for her because of issues. Oh i know, you didn't think a dunce like me could have legit issues, huh? Not like you political experts.

      Here's one: I hate guns. Hate that people get killed by them, kids get hold of them, just hate the whole purpuse of them. So, who do you think I should support?

      "Oh but you cant, benghazi, e mails, monica...."

      "Listen to us, we know"

      What goes around, comes around. Or, if you prefer, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Things will be known, and you won't care. You'll still support your candidate no matter what, while looking down your noses at me for being a low information shill. Can't disagree with you, have a different opinion, must be stupid.

      Voila, the problem with America.

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      Ruby 15 months ago from United States

      Yeah so how about people protect themselves with guns? Protection with our 2nd amendment rights. You go ahead and be unprotected. I'd rather shoot a bad guy then get shot. I don't know about you. I think if you really wanted safety you would want guns for protection. Wherever there is gun control there is high violence.

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Well howdy doo. And you feel you have every right to have that opinion dont you? Just not me. I cant gave an opinion unlike yours, unless im a stupid shill.

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      Ruby 15 months ago from United States

      Look up the facts on gun control. Do you really think crime really goes down? No the criminals still have their guns, and the citizens have no protection. If you can prove me wrong with numbers then I might change my "stupid" opinion. However if it is just what you think, well that is not a fact and I would go with the facts.

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Not really you. Roob. It's dumb to try n comment during work. You have not been degrading or insulting, it's the rest of the Sanders crew that has about as much class as a cockroach.

      My apologies to cockroaches...

      For real!

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

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      Ruby 15 months ago from United States

      I am not a Sanders supporter either! Have a good day though, peace.

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      Hector Danson 15 months ago

      Thank you Dan. Yes, we should all follow that advise and ignore the troll bot now. I'm surprised such people pushed you towards Trump though. He won't be as establishment as Clinton, but he'll still be about screwing the world over for American interests and won't be as socially liberal as Clinton. Anyway, I've had similar experiences. Before, I might have held my breath and voted for her; but now I've been pushed firmly into the Bernie or bust camp. Before, I was also more respectful and positive; but now I've started posting negative stuff about Hillary on facebook (and it's gaining quite a bit of traction). Hillary and her supporters don't deserve my support, my restraint, or my allegiance at the polling booth. These aren't just Republican trolls trying to "split the party". Many/most are genuine supporters just demonstrating how rotten and disingenuous they can be.

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      NW Mary 15 months ago

      Goodness Gracious. I thought we'd disposed of LMC by now. Best advice, ignore trolls. You just made his day.

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      So, Sanders people take pride in disposing of people who disagree....how Trump-like.

      How long you been on hp Mary? You a newbie, talking smack? Or a sock puppet?

      Either way, you can take a seat. Youngblood.

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      The Pyat 15 months ago

      NRA Lobbyist Will Co-Host Hillary Clinton Fundraiser

      https://theintercept.com/2016/03/01/nra-lobbyist-w...

      Hillary Clinton did not say that she would shut down the NRA and ban handguns if she were elected President.

      http://www.snopes.com/nra-hillary-clinton-quote/

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      G Herman 15 months ago

      Lol. What a bunch of cry babies. Its just become #berniewho lost. He's in a hopeless situation and they need anything they can to try and fight with. I hope the court throws this out. A person's presence shouldn't be enough to sway you, unless you are THAT weak minded.

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      Lisa Jackson 15 months ago

      If you think he broke the law, then issue him citations for the offenses, let him pay his tickets, and move along. A lawsuit is a waste of time and resources. And you have to prove damages if you want to win one. Last I checked "plausibility", as identified in the complaint, does not equal "preponderance of the evidence."

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      Tyler 15 months ago

      The law is clear. If Bill was campaigning within 150 ft of a polling place, he broke the law. I don't see how there is any room for debate on this.

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      NW Mary 15 months ago

      The sad part of this is that in America The Rule of law no longer exists even though our Constitution is based on it. Today it really depends on who you are and not what you do.

      To me, that is the saddest part. My observations and subsequent beliefs on this started when I heard an attorney for the plaintiffs in the Exxon Valdez case years after the spill talking about the court's reduction of fines and dismissals. The Rule of Law no longer exists in America. I've paid attention ever since.

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      munkle 15 months ago

      G Herman: If you are so weak-minded that you don't know what 150 feet is, you shouldn't vote.

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Yes, if he was campaigning, which he wasnt. A man is allowed to stand in support of his wife. Any strong minded human knows that.

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      Susan Jacobson 15 months ago

      lovemychris- you say your concerned about guns, and children getting hold of them etc.... you may want to check out Bernie's stance on that because it is where Clinton got her ideas from, he wants a bad on all semi automatic's just as hillary does, they both want stiffer background checks and to close the loopholes that allow folks to buy guns from private sales and the like. Just saying, same policies!

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Well, I'll use the same attitude on him that he takes with her. He's late to the party. He voted against plenty of gun regs. Voted against Brady bill and holding gun manufacturers responsible. But I think he's a good guy.

      I like him, and think his hearts in the right place.

      It's probably as much or more his team. Stop trying to take her delegates, stop the nasty smears. That's all. To make her husband a demon for supporting her just turns everyone off.

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      NW Mary 15 months ago

      "...check out Bernie's stance on that because it is where Clinton got her ideas from,..."

      She is saying that it was Bernie who first supported that requirement. And he did.

      Sorry for dissing you. But I hold my ground on our earlier debate.

      As for smears, he doesn't do smears. He talks issues. She's done the smears and Fox, CNN and even MSNBC has noted it from time to time. And MSNBC is in the tank big time for Hillary.

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      I haven't heard her smear him. In fact, she tried holding out the olive branch. He came back all smug telling her to release her speeches. Well, he could release his tax returns. She's not harping on that. And Jane had some kind of investigation on her, too. I dont see anyone mention that. Hillary attacks Trump. Sanders goes after her. That's what I have seen.

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      munkle 15 months ago

      lovemychris: Perhaps you didn't read my earlier comment. Any "strong minded" person as you like to say, knows what 150 feet within a poll means, whether it is your spouse or not. The law does not say "no one can campaign within 150 feet of a polling place, unless it's your husband." Hillary shills are just as dishonest and slippery as their candidate. This entire discussion should serve to scare voters away from Hillary even further.

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      munkle 15 months ago

      lovemychris: Perhaps you didn't read my earlier comment. Any "strong minded" person as you like to say, knows what 150 feet within a poll means, whether it is your spouse or not. The law does not say "no one can campaign within 150 feet of a polling place, unless it's your husband." Hillary shills are just as dishonest and slippery as their candidate. This entire discussion should serve to scare voters away from Hillary even further.

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Oh please. The drama. Your dude is slippery, too. Just get over the fact that Hillary has the advantage of an ex prez as hubby. Or, it can be a hindrance to her, if you think he's a corrupt elitist oligarch. You sued, now all you can do is wait and see. And remember, what goes around, comes around.

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      Ruby 15 months ago from United States

      munkle: he was thanking the polling people for doing their job, far from campaigning. He is allowed to even enter the poll as he did on polling day. This is old news and not news at all. Seriously it is sad people still think this is true. Even if it was do you think he magically swayed those people and that is how Hillary will win? Lol. I don't like Hillary but if people want to paint a bad picture of her there are actually bad things she has done. Bring those up. They might just take you a little research to actually grasp the situation.

      Unless you guys have proof that he was truly "campaigning" then be quiet because the news already debunked this.

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      Hector Danson 15 months ago

      Ah, the news. We can trust them!

      It looks like the situation just got worse in Arizona. Closing 140 polling stations so that there's 60 polling stations for est. 800,000 people, while letting the substantial postal vote give Hillary the win because it's her demographic (elderly voters). Then there's the registration muck-ups. So corrupt, just like their candidate.

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      It was a tea party republican named Helen Purcell who "screwed up". Reverb Press has article on it. Once again, the knee jerk reaction and blaming Clinton. She is not Bush! Give it a rest!

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      munkle 15 months ago

      lovemychris: what do you mean "what goes around comes around"?

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      All these people outraged about hillary will see some outrages aimed at their guy too. Like I read this am that FEC is investigating him, because while he was taking in 27 dollar donations from people, making him look so common man, he is paying a staffer 830,000 dollars, or something, with those donations. His staff did get a hold of private Hillary voter info, too. And used it. So, if you throw out the boomerang of she's corrupt, just wait...it will come back to your guy eventually.

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      Dana 15 months ago

      I really dislike that they are making it sound like it was only Sanders' voters that were hurt by this. I don't care who a voter planned on casting a ballot for. I'm from Massachusetts and the laws are clearly stated. The law was broken and it suppressed voters and most likely swayed others. It shouldn't be only Sanders' voters that are outraged. Unfortunately it makes us look like cry babies because our candidate didn't win, but it shouldn't be about the candidate. It should be about democracy and the people's voices being heard.

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      Crowesam 15 months ago

      Helen Purcell was married to Clinton's Lt. Governor when he was governer of Arkansas. Not seeming so much like a screw up asit does more voter suppression.

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      Patricia Panitz 15 months ago

      It's not surprising that MA officials say there's nothing to this as they are all for Hillary. MA Dem officials are very corrupt. I am a Dem and lived there 37 years.

      What proof is there that Karl Rove is financing ads for Bernie? Bernie's ads are on topics anathema to Rove - income inequality, attacks on WalSt., restoring the sinking middle class. Sounds like another Clinton dirty trick.

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      Miracle LaGrange 15 months ago

      lovemychris says: "Oh give me a break. No one I know is that weak minded. It's his wife. He has every right to be there showing support."

      "lovemychris" apparently knows nothing about how law works, didn't bother to do any research to find out why what Bill Clinton did was potentially illegal in the state of Massachusetts, and doesn't think being terribly, laughably wrong about something precludes him or her from making smug, pedantic comments about it.

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      Hector Danson 15 months ago

      "What proof is there that Karl Rove is financing ads for Bernie?" - None. Rove is running anti-Hillary ads, so, by the logic of Hillary supporters, Rove is runnings ads "for Bernie".

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Yeah, but where are his anti-Bernie ads? Its also Koch and another pac. Then ad Sanders attack ads on top of it, you begin to see what's going on.

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Stop Hillary is Trey Gowdy...

      Think of that. The guy running witch hunts in OUR gvt. I thought he worked for all of us?

      Then there is something called Targeted Victory, which creates fake twitter and facebook accounts to spread anti Hillary rhetoric.

      I just dont get it, now maybe i do....some of these Sanders supporters seem to hate her more than republicans do.

      I know she has her own pacs and such...i just havent seen the same ammount of hate there.

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      Joseph Chastain 15 months ago

      Then you haven't been paying attention. It was Hillary's camp that accused Sanders of being connected to communism which was a baseless, unconfirmed attack. Not one thing that Sanders has said about Hillary is unconfirmed.

      Oh and as for Sanders "using" Hillary's info, no proof of that. In fact his camp TOLD Hillary's about the data breach.

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      Kristen Reilly 15 months ago

      You MUST add New Bedford, MA mayor Jon F. Mitchell to this suit because he is complicit and gave the bullhorn to Bill Clinton after stumping for his wife.

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      Dayna 15 months ago

      reguardless of what you say lovemychris it is illegal to support any candidate that close to the polling station. It is not wrong of Bill to support his wife however, was he voting that day? Is he allowed to vote in that state? No most likely not. Therefore what was the reason to be there other than to sway people?

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Did you ever think that all those years when he was campaigning, she was there to support him, and maybe he just wants to do the same?

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      daniel shawn 15 months ago

      some needs to PIE this guy right on the face..... a BIG CREAM PIE IN THE FACE next time he does this

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      Patricia Panitz 15 months ago

      Supporting a family member is one thing, blocking voters' access to vote is another (and also illegal).

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      Hector Danson 15 months ago

      Don't bother Patricia. Lovemychris is a troll. All of us have said the same thing, and yet he/she keeps returning to the same argument, pretending not to know the difference.

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      I have been at hubpages since 2010. You newbies are a lot like Sanders voters everywhere. Rude, judgemental, paranoid and thinking you just invented the wheel. My thing is politics, so expect me to be there whenever the ugly American surfaces to school us all about the world.

      If you were standing on solid ground, you wouldnt need to push others off.

      This is the honest to god truth: you Sanders voters are turning me off him! Your tea party like behavior is pushing democrats away....the party your guy us using to get elected.

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      Tanya Elliott 15 months ago

      lovemychris, You link articles from dailykos that have ABSOLUTELY ZERO evidence, even the Sanders and Clinton supports both are saying so in the comments. The DNC is the one tearing apart the democratic party with its neo liberal bullshit. Bernies trying to make politics work for us again, and a side effect of that is having to run on either a republican or democratic ticket in order to even have a real run at the whitehouse ( compliments or our greedy 2 party system.) The DNC proclaims its new numbers or fresh democrats joining the party, but sorely realize these people will change back to independent once they realize the shenanigans going on within the DNC. Bernie is simply urging super delegates to vote in the same way their states have, afterall those states are the ones who hire their "Super Delegates." I after learning about the super delegate proccess was appaled. How is this the voice of the people? When a candidate can win a state by popular vote but yet not really win?

      http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollin...

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Ask AL Gore. Ask any number of candidates. The system is what it is. And ole Bern enjoys it just as much of the rest of them. Problem is, he bites the hand that feeds him.

      And you all run around hating on democrats, using all the mechanisms of the establishment to get votes.

      Hillary has had more votes than the rest of them, and in Feb, Sanders raised more money than she did.

      And, did you know, he's paying a staffer $830,000? I thought big money was out?

      Wait until California, that's all I've got to say.

      When big name celebs start hanging at voting stations for Bernie, you will be bragging, not saying it's a crime.

      I see the future --great lmcini

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      Patricia Panitz 15 months ago

      How much does Hillary pay her campaign manager?

      I notice that Hillary defenders talk about everything but issues - since her positions are indefensible.

      She's supported virtually all job outsourcing trade deals, including the worst of all, the TPP, and is on record as telling an audience in India that outsourcing jobs is GOOD for this country. She's accepted millions from Wall St. and won't release the transcripts of her speeches - what has she got to hide? You think she's going to favor ordinary Americans over what Wall St. wants?

      She supports GMOs and Monsanto, Big Ag and Big Pharma. Her tenure as Sec of State was disastrous - war and more war is what she wants. Coup in Honduras, Libya a failed state, only one who wants a no-fly zone in Syria. She was more hawkish than the Sec of Defense, Gates, who advised against an escalation in Afghanistan; she was all for it. I am really afraid she will start a war with Iran as she opposed Obama's Iran deal and is slavishly devoted to Israel. Did you hear her AIPAC speech?

      I could never vote for this trade-deal- loving, job outsourcing, neocon warhawk.

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      Hector Danson 15 months ago

      Exactly Patricia. How can any liberal, in good conscience, vote for someone who's likely to start another war in the Middle East? Why care if she's a Democrat or a Republican? Sensible people don't divide politicians in that way. They look at a politicians history of decisions and votes on the big issues.

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      Rita Miller 15 months ago

      Lovemychris I've read through this entire thread and just couldn't hold it in any longer. I am unsure if you have a learning disability with cognitive or comprehension problems. Maybe even some mental illness, maybe a little slow or if you are just a troll. But, nothing you have said is even close to reality. You obviously have no idea what this article was about and you most certainly are clueless about the lawsuit in Ohio. I live here in Ohio and you are completely wrong. I suggest you walk away from the Clinton Cool-aid you've been drinking, dry out and pick up a book. Maybe visit a library to get properly educated and informed. Maybe take your meds if that's the problem. Whatever it is, by all mean please get it together before trying to converse with grown folk. God Bless

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      I know quite well what the lawsuit is about: stealing delegates.

      Why don't you try looking at some real voter suppression going on in America instead of making one up.

      You see, back in the day when parties were unified, a visit from an ex prez would have been an exciting event.

      Now, it's classified as an attempt to suppress votes, smh.

      This is already a settled matter. Officials knew it was going to happen, and made plans to handle it.

      I actually see it as such a wimpy move by Sanders voters.

      Because if he was preventing people from voting by his presence, than he was preventing Hillary voters, too.

      So, how come the delegates should go to Bernie?

      And, how was he campaigning by shaking hands?

      He's an ex prez, he should be supporting people that get out and vote, regardless who they vote for.

      Sour grapes is your drink.

      And you have a lot of nerve mentioning god after your character assassination on behalf of Bernie.

      You are making him look bad.

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      Rita Miller 15 months ago

      Hilarious! Character assassinating? Who's character? Making a keen observation. What you've been spewing out in your comments are ridiculous, not to mention ill-informed and without merit. My point is before comming on a thread maybe you could get facts and figures correct. Your argument on both accounts were without facts and sounded like babble. Even the sites you referenced were unrelated to the actual conversation and were bogus. Please get some education. Or you can wait until Bernie Sanders become POTUS and then you can have a free one. Oh, by the way....your reaction to the commenter that said, "they would have lynched Jane Sanders", shows that you are unable to have a reasonable conversation.

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Well, if you're a phissykeeatrist, you should say so before you make a personal analysis. Because from what I see, anyone who disagrees with your highness has no point in living....am I right? Typical Superiority Complex behavior, since we're getting into amateur phychology.

      It's really very simple. Sanders should have run as Independent, like Nader did, and whom I voted for in 2000. You see? True indie credentials. Unlike Sanders, who told Chris Hedges he was running (using) Dems so he wouldn't END UP like him!

      So, for Berniebots to "school" me on being non establishment is really a joke.

      And i see humor is not in YOUR character, nor is sarcasm.

      I was under the historical impression that lynching was done to black men, not white women.

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      Patricia Panitz 15 months ago

      As usual you're failing to address issues and Hillary's positions on them.

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      That's not what this hub is about. It's about the bs that Clinton broke the law, and Sanders should get her delegates.

      And furthermore, why discuss with people who don't know,what they're talking about?

      She was not against the Iran deal, she helped broker it....while she was Sec of State. You know, that nothing position that shows nothing of any accomplishment, unless it's Colin Powell or Condi Rice.

      Yeah, she's a kiss up to Bibi, but so is everyone else. At least she has a good friend whose son is quite vocal against what Israel is doing. Maybe that will temper her stupid shmoozing all over Beebs, like all the rest of them do.

      Sanders spoke out a little against Israel, but not at AIPAC, where it would have mattered. He could have been there. Scared?

      Looking forward to seeing more of you speaking out against what Israel is doing....try it in forums, see what happens to you.

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      She says it much better than me.....and I agree 100% with this:

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lorraine-devon-wilke...

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      NW Mary 15 months ago

      It is about the Rule of Law. Which you seem to have no understanding of.

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Really? Mass sec of state said no laws were broken. I guess he's a dunce, too. But of course, he's a democrat, so he can't be honest.

      I think this is about destroying Hillary. You guys are good at it, too. Using all the same tactics as the republicans.

      It could be about destroying the status quo, like Susan Sarandon says. She's stumping for Bernie: Wait til Cali! Anyway, she may vote for Trump if bernie doesn't make it.

      So, what i see is the Sanderites and Republicans working together to destroy a dem. Because as you know, sanders is indie. When it suits him.

      So go on and sue, sue, sue. Take a page from trump.

      And destroy the status quo. See what you replace it with. And I'll have a bumper sticker, don't blame me, I voted for Hillary.

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      Teresa Roberts 15 months ago

      I hope this lawsuit gains traction. I'm sure you'll have no trouble raising funding. The outrage stretches across the country and the whole world is watching. thank you for standing up instead of ignoring business as usual. You renew my faith in the masses.

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      What if the masses vote Hillary in? She has 2.5 million more votes than him now.

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      Teresa Roberts 15 months ago

      Agreed Teresa. Although I think the Arizona mishaps will prove more costly to her though in the long run. Unless they do a revote right away and get it over with; this is going to drag on and damage her more and more. Either way, it helps Bernie's momentum!

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      Hector Danson 15 months ago

      Whoops sorry, I put in your name instead of mine there lol. That comment above was mine :)

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      Patricia Panitz 14 months ago

      Hillary's votes come from the south which will go red in Nov. and from clueless blacks who don't realize the harm the Clintons have done them.

      By the way, Hillary isn't a Dem in the real sense of the word. She's a corporate Dem. One of the reasons I don't like her is because it is she and Bill, more than anybody, who are responsible for turning the Dem party from the party of FDR and Harry Truman to the party of plutocrats and 1%ers (that's who the party's representing).

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      Yes Dear 14 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Mothers of the Movement are 1%ers? Cause she's representing them on the national stage. Representing my rights, and my daughters. And representing a woman as competent and able to be the leader of the free world. I know that's nothing to a lot of people. To me, it's monumental. And i see in Sanders a guy who is all for women's rights and such, but has a habit of brushing them off. To me, he represents another man wanting power....something we've had since George Washington. Hillary is the real revolution.

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      Dan Aronson 14 months ago

      @lovemycrhis: Still nothing on the issues? Are you unwilling or unable? I am a Sanders supporter but people keep telling me I'll need to vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination. Again, all I am asking for is her plans to affect positive change for working class Americans. Why won't you tell me them?

      1. How will she stimulate job growth for the middle class?

      2. How will she raise those minimum wage workers out of poverty?

      3. How will she prevent you and I from paying for the next Wall Street bailout?

      4. How will she get us out of wars in the Middle East and reverse our foreign policy that features regime change, nation building, and drone assassinations in order to stop the endless stream of body bags, amputees, and mentally broken servicemen and women?

      If you can help me out just a little, I'd be very appreciative. Thanks!

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      Yes Dear 14 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      1. Jobs in rebuilding infrastructure and renewable energy.

      2. Gradually increase of the minimum wage nation-wide, like they are doing in Mass.

      3. She has a great plan to control Wall Street. Google it.

      4. I don't think she's going to reverse our foreign policy. But she, like Obama, believes in diplomacy first. She calls it smart power. Diplomacy backed up by might. With her help, we avoided war with Iran, which the cons still want. However, we are power hungry, and I don't see that changing no matter who's prez.

      She doesn't want free education, just affordable.

      Her bottom line for a SC justice is keeping roe v wade safe and protected, whereas Sanders is getting rid of Citizens United.

      Anything else?

      You could just Google it all, you know. I should, too actually!

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      Hector Danson 14 months ago

      1&2: Given that she helped pass NAFTA and served on the board of Walmart, a company who exploit workers on a massive scale with low wages and few rights, do you really think those will be good, high-paying jobs?

      3. Given that she accepted huge sums of money in donations and speaking fees from Wall Street, and refuses to release transcripts of her speeches (instead lowering herself to the standards of Republicans on the matter), do you really think her plan for Wall Street will be comprehensive? Or with plenty of loop-holes for her friends to exploit?

      4. With her help... we went to war with Iraq and got Bush's Patriot Act. She also contributed heavily to the current humanitarian crises in Libya and Honduras, worsened the situation in Syria by arming the rebels and endorsing air strikes against Assad, argued for more drone strikes, argued for keeping more troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, and, as for Iran , she voted to designate the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a "terrorist" organisation, opening the door to war. She even threatened Iran with obliteration. According to Time magazine: "Clinton has demonstrated a well-documented willingness to use American military power overseas." Time draws on a number of sources, including Obama officials, who referred to the "strikingly hawkish voice Clinton offered during Obama Situation Room debates". http://swampland.time.com/2014/01/14/hillary-clint...

      Given this, do you really trust Clinton to keep us out of another war? You must know why such wars are fought, yes? Those things that make the world go round: money. I bet her friends on Wall Street are licking their lips. It's not difficult to put the pieces together if you're willing to look.

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      Yes Dear 14 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      1. How did she help pass nafta? She was flotus, not senator!

      2. Everybody accepts money from wall steet, including ole Bernie. And why does she have to release transcripts of speeches she made? Is that now part of prez vetting??? I know releasing tax returns is....Hillary has released 15 yrs worth, Bernie, only one. HE'S the one hiding something!

      Btw, did you look at her plan to control wall street? Not even a peep at it, huh?

      3. Yes, she voted for Iraq resolution. But Bush was supposed to use it as a last resort. Blix was supposed to prove the existence of wmd's. Bush took it an ran...because it was planned. Not by hillary, by him.

      And her wall Street "friends" are no more than anyone else in the political realm. Including business friends, union friends, teachers friends, and foreign lobby friends. All of them have friends. Sanders has some big money nurse friends...think he owes them?

      And he's taken money from oil and gas...as has just about everybody.

      Your slanted attempt to paint her as somehow different than Sanders is falling on deaf ears here.

      His cohorts in a debate running for Senate in vermont, to a person, called him a corporate sell-out.

      Ask Ron Paul.

      Ask how his family got wealthy off his public service.

      Ask where are the tax returns!

      One year?.....what is he hiding?

      Odd that you don't want to know, while clamoring for Hillary speech transcripts.

      Negotiable Virtue. It's rampant.

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      Hector Danson 14 months ago

      1. Hillary on NAFTA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySYYHzj3evY

      2. Bernie doesn't accept money from Wall Street. I suspect you've listened to some of her exaggerations and misrepresentation, so here's a factcheck: http://www.factcheck.org/2016/02/clintons-exaggera...

      Regardless, it would pale in comparison to what Hillary has received, wouldn't it?

      I haven;t "peeped" at her plan. Why would I look at her plan when I'd have to dismiss it immediately because I can't trust her? You may be very loyal to the Democrat establishment, or just to her, so you see no reason to distrust her. That's fine. Me, and (likely) tens of millions of independents (they do make up 40% of the population), look at this stream of money and think: how can we trust her to reform banking and finance when she's on the take? If you want to win an election, you need someone who independents find credible. You can't win with a core of ultra-loyal Democrats who dismiss anything bad about their candidate as lies while the rest of the population gives her an unfavorable rating of 55% (look it up, it's true). If you want the Democrats to win, at least nominate the candidate who people like!

      3. Wow, you've even managed to justify her Iraq vote to yourself. Again, I doubt independents will see it your way. BUT, if that's really your argument, then you must believe Hillary is a naive and, frankly, stupid person for trusting Bush wouldn't use a green light to use force as... a green light to use force. She's either a liar or a moron. Either way, not Presidential material.

      Sanders has a union of almost 200,000 nurses supporting him: people who help others for a living. If you think that's comparable to a few Wall Street firms whose sole purpose is to satiate their greed, then you're clutching at straws again (and impartial people won't see it your way on this either). Regardless, candidates often have no control over the SuperPACs that support them. I recommend you look up what superpacs are. But, if Bernie goes into Goldman Sachs and sells a speech for 200k tomorrow, I'll hold my hands up and admit they're no different. Until you provide a shred of credible evidence to the contrary, me and pretty much everyone else who's taken part in this discussion will maintain that they're very different.

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      Yes Dear 14 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      I see. So you don't have to consider any of hillarys plans, cause you just don't like her, but im supposed to listen to anti Hillary ops? Ehhhh. No.

      And you can pooh pooh it all you want, Sanders has outspent Clinton in every place that he came up on top...

      By a lot. You may believe that is from 27 dollar contributions, I don't. And by your logic, i dont have to check it, because I don't trust HIM.

      And Elizabeth Warren endorsed hillarys wall street plan, so your approval not needed.

      As for Iraq war, that was planned long time ago. Yinon plan, which merged into PNAC. Asked Clinton to regime change in 97, and Sanders voted to facilitate regime change Iraq 1998. Maybe if bill had done it, he would have agreed to invasion.

      Sanders voted to support all the Gaza slaughters, too. You really don't have a lot of legs to stand on. In fact, Hillary and Bernie are alike 93% of the time.

      The difference to me is the way they carry themselves, and the ugliness that is coming out now.

      Bernie is of that generation of men that don't like to lose to a woman...I can tell. His prickly thorns are showing. Not good presidential material, imo.

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      Hector Danson 14 months ago

      You came to an anti-Hillary page. If you're not here to listen, what are you here to do? Troll?

      Yes, I don't have to consider Hillary's plan on finance and banking. It's not to do with liking; it's to do with trusting. and I've explained why I don't trust her in my previous comment. You take millions from Wall Street - I don't trust you to reform Wall Street. Not a giant leap, is it? Seems fair enough to me.

      What are your reasons for not trusting Sanders on his spending sources? Regardless of what you say, it only takes a few clicks to verify he's not using outside money: http://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/ .

      So I think you're being deliberately obtuse. How can I verify Clinton will actually reform Wall Street? I can't. Your comparison fails.

      Liz Warren can endorse the words in Clinton's plan, but I doubt she trusts Clinton will implement them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12mJ-U76nfg

      I never claimed Sander's foreign policy record was perfect. It isn't. I said Hillary's is diabolical. I recognize Bernie's flaws, but you keep trying to justify Hillary's, even though they're far worse. And you brush it off with meaningless opinion like "the difference to me is the way they carry themselves". Nonsense.

      And you end with an unfounded accusation that Bernie is sexist, based on the fallacious argument that he's "of that generation". But it's ok: you "can tell". What utter tripe. Bernie has fought for equality his entire life. Hillary was anti-gay until only a few years ago. She also worked on the campaign of Republican Barry Goldwater, who voted against the civil rights act of 1964. That's back when she was a Republican. But it's ok, she evolved! Or, maybe not: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h15-tiVWk-0

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      Yes Dear 14 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      No, i was only here to say how crazy it is to say Clinton broke the law. If you call a different opinion trolling, thats your problem. If you call Hillary diabolical, then i see why you feel that way.

      I was taught that everyone has a right to their own opinion, and like to hear diverse views.

      But you obviously dont, and the people commenting here are hostile and rude.

      Kinda like your candidate.

      I get the feeling that you all took the moveon.org pledge....even if Clinton gets the nom, you will write in Sanders.

      You will not convince me of anything, nor i you. But i had to speak up when you go around calling people criminals for supporting each other.

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      Patricia Panitz 14 months ago

      Clinton and her surrogates have mischaracterized and outright lied about Bernie and his positions. The entire DNC establishment and media establishment is solidly behind Clinton and against Sanders - when they should be neutral. So what do you think Sanders' supporters reaction is when they are told they should "come together" and support Clinton for the "good of the party" if she wins the nomination? Clinton and Sanders are far apart on major issues - she's a corporate Dem and he's an FDR/New Deal Dem. If you don't like the direction the Dem party has been going the last few decades, you can't support Hillary.

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      Yes Dear 14 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      So be it. We will have Trump or Cruz. Just like 2000 gave us Bush.

      And btw, i voted Nader then. But i was Indie and so was he. At least we didnt use the party we were working so hard against.

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      Patricia Panitz 14 months ago

      We will likelier have Kasich.

      Has Obama been so much better than Bush? The operating word regarding Obama and the middle class has been one - betrayal. Hillary will be like Obama, (campaign from the left, govern from the right), but with more wars. On economic issues Repubs and Dems are the same, they serve corporations, the 1%, and the military industrial complex. The Dem party has sold its non-wealthy supporters out time and again - we owe it nothing.

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      Yes Dear 14 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      THEN STOP RUNNING AS ONE. Simple. Know why Sanders wont?

      He likes the perks too much.

      And Donald J Trump should do the same.

      You are outright carpetbaggers.

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      Hector Danson 14 months ago

      Lovemychris: You did ask “I’m supposed to listen to anti Hillary ops? Ehhhh. No.”

      I replied with “You came to an anti-Hillary page. If you're not here to listen, what are you here to do? Troll?”

      You respond with: “If you call a different opinion trolling, thats your problem. I was taught that everyone has a right to their own opinion, and like to hear diverse views. But you obviously dont, and the people commenting here are hostile and rude.”

      Are you really going to pretend that I was calling you a troll rather than answering your question, that I can’t tolerate different views, and that everyone’s being rude to you?

      It seems you can’t argue the points that are actually worth discussing, so you switch to plan B, which is straw-manning everyone here and playing the victim. As there's nothing else of substance in your comment, I'll leave it there.

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      Yes Dear 14 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      I answered all your questions once. You disputed them, demanded more.

      How long we going to ride that merry-go-round?

      I was called a louse and an idiot by your responders. I think that's rude. Calling someonea a troll is rude. As if they can't be serious.

      Always calling Clinton a cheater...do some research. You may find just the opposite.

      Clark County nevada. Dailynewsbin.com. since you're after the truth and nothing but.

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      Hector Danson 14 months ago

      Did you really just cite DailyNewsBin as a source for the truth? I've seen their "articles" before. No wonder your views on Bernie and Hillary are so distorted. You'd only be marginally worse off if you plugged into Fox News 24/7. Being told what you want to hear is not doing research. I suggest you find something a bit more impartial.

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      Yes Dear 14 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Did you watch the video? That cant be spun. And your patronizing attitude is very much in line with just about every sanders supporter who will engage. Why is that? Do you really think i just made up my mind on a whim, have never researched anything need YOUR spin to enlighten me?

      Because if you think your views are umpartial, i beg to differ with you!

      Michael Tomasky of Daily Beast has a nice article why hes voting fir Hillary. Is he too impartial? He likes bernie too, just thinks hillary will be more effective.

      Is that allowed?

      Really, some of you need to get a grip. You did not invent liberalism or the democratic party, and the insults to those whose party you are using is showing your colors.

      Like a whiter shade of pale.

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      Yes Dear 14 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Hmmm. Now im reading that a note was sent to Hillary delegates saying they didnt need to show up in nevada...sent by bernies camp.

      Not just one source. Real dirty tricks, not imagined.

      Anyone care?

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      Yes Dear 14 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      That must be WHY she hacked into hrc info!! So she would know who to send the note to.

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      Hector Danson 14 months ago

      This is getting more and more strange. What video are you talking about? What have I spun? There's no need to get defensive with me about my attitude (or perhaps, my "tone"). I'm only going on what you tell me, and you told me DailyNewsBin is a source of truth. Do you ever wonder why every article on there praises Clinton and derides Bernie? You must have wondered, or maybe you're just wondering now. Either way, that source has become a laughing stock for how biased it is. Even people in pro-Hillary communities have had to admit that. This isn't an insult to you, but it does explain a lot about your views. Like I said, at least find something that isn't constantly telling you things you want to hear. That's what Republicans do when they tune into Fox. We're supposed to be better than that.

      I don't know of Michael Tomasky or whether he's impartial. I'm sure there are plenty of Hillary supporters who've made an educated decision to vote for her based on the facts available to them. It would be erroneous of you to suggest that my deductions about you apply to every Hillary supporter.

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      Hector Danson 14 months ago

      Oh, whats your source for this latest conspiracy. Please don't tell me it's the Daily News Bin.

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      Yes Dear 14 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      @Lee_in_Iowa....go to his feed to see the note that went out. Matches the dnb story, as she hacked into clintons info. NOT the first time theyve done that btw! Young internet savvy kids can hack gvt depts!

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      Yes Dear 14 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Kelsey Rupp, Independent Journal

      Sanders nepotism

      Tax payer funded honeymoon in Russia, since hes such an anti big money guy.

      Now Sanderites are going to get quite a bit of their own medicine. And bet you willl still support him, go figure.

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      Hector Danson 14 months ago

      So, nothing credible then?

      If you're interested in facts about his trip to Russia, rather than being told what you want to hear by the Daily News Bin, try politifact: http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/20...

      You really have been led up the garden path about a lot of things haven't you? I would feel sorry for you, but I expect you don't care. Facts just aren't important to some people.

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      Yes Dear 14 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      OK I get it. You're new to this, I understand.

      You still have stars in your eyes.

      I'll help you: he's a con man. Speaks a good game, not really committed to change.

      If he was, he'd tell the truth.

      There is no way on God's green EARTH to do what he wants.

      But I think he would enjoy immensely the office of president.

      Good luck. And I hope when you are badgered to prove why you support him after he's been vetted, dems aren't as nasty as the Sanderites have been.

      Ciao

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      Jehoshua 14 months ago

      lovemychris Literally shit all over people's voting rights in defense of Clinton, and then claims "Sanderites" are the nasty ones.

      Ok. Good luck on your whole "I can overlook Clinton's War mongering, Fracking, Wallstreet Corruption and ELECTION Fraud, all because Sanders did some stuff". Ya, See ya troll, good luck supporting your WARHAWK.

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      Hector Danson 14 months ago

      Ciao lovemychris. I can see why someone like you would support Hillary Clinton.

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      Rita Miller 14 months ago

      https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=167686... GOOD VIDEO TO WATCH OR READ MICHELLE'S BOOK ON WHY HILLARY DOESN'T DESERVE OUR BLACK VOTE.

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