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Updated on April 14, 2013
The Extremists Within
The Extremists Within

Beware The Extremists Within


The past election was a critical and defining moment in the history of the United States of America, and I'mKar'n felt that she needed to be a part of it!

However miniscule.

However many Americans disagreed with her and told her to mind her own business - to go back to her own country - and that she knew nothing of which she spoke!

However many times she was sworn at, insulted, belittled, and called nasty(and silly) names!

However many 'followers' she may have lost!

No matter WHAT - she felt deeply the need to speak of what she saw when she peeked over the proverbial fence - into the country that she feels a deep connection with - and an abiding love for!


And here's what she saw:

Back in 2008, I'mKar'n was firmly behind John McCain. When he made what was, in her opinion - a crucial and telling mistake in choosing Sarah Palin as his running mate - she simply backed neither.

It didn't seem that Obama and McCain were all that terribly different from each other - they both seemed to have the good of the people at heart - even if they differed in methodology!

Not so four years later in 2012!


Suddenly, we were confronted by a GOP party that had swung SO far to the right - as to be nudging not only the 1940's - but fascism as well!

From their own lips, and spoken with smarmy smiles firmly affixed - we were inundated with ugly, exclusionary, intolerant, backwards - and shockingly ignorant remarks and statements!

Who did they attack? Well, let's just say that the list of who they DIDN'T attack is much shorter!


After what had to be the strongest, most organized - and most expensive - GOP push for the Oval Office in the history of all pushes- they STILL lost - BOTH the electoral AND the popular votes!

After secret, agendaed, and corrupt Superpacs blew their wads on Romney- they STILL lost!

After 'skewing' with the polls - predicting a landslide victory to attract the 'sheeple' that would believe anything - they STILL lost!

After attempting every method of voter repression - they STILL lost!

After offering the military MORE money than they ask for - they STILL lost!

After standing on the Constitution, the Bible - and the backs of the Forefathers - they STILL lost!

With an unemployment rate over 9% - they STILL lost!

Now - while pundits say they are 'SHOCKED' at the outcome - this author - who is an under-educated, middle class, middle aged, menopausal, female CANADIAN - is SHOCKED at the pundits shock!


As a matter of fact - she wrote about it WAAY back on February 8th, 2012 at the end of the GOP primaries - in a post that was titled:President Obama: May I Be the First to Congratulate You on Your Second Term in Office.

Feb. 8th - NINE months ago, and yet - it says exactly what those 'shocked pundits' are now espousing:

Obama didn't win the election because of his economic policies - Romney LOST the election because of his social policies!

Now, you may think that I'mKarn is just tootin' her own horn here - but, I can assure you - she is not!

She has a DEEP concern withthe reaction of the hard right over the results of this election - reading far too many articles calling for an even STRONGER resistance against Obama in his second term.

Calling for gridlock in the House - period! Not caring what's best for the people - AGAIN - but only obsessed with the fact that Obama is President!

Conceding NOTHING!

She once asked a rabid republican this question: "If the Devil were running against Obama" - who would you vote for?

His response: "Anyone but Obama"

Extremists within are willing to watch the country go down - OUT OF SPITE AND HATRED FOR ONE MAN!

Please remember that rats multiply in the dark - and while it's not always easy to stand up and speak the truth - it's OUR responsibility to continue shining the light!


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      Putra 2 years ago

      The Family Circle contest is poiialctl in a lighthearted way. I doubt that any Obama supporters voted for Mrs. Romney's recipe. Maybe the Anonymous who posted on September 23 should consider that.Kirstin

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      vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI

      Many Thanks

      Glad to meet you too

      and along with your intelligence, I appreciate your sense of humor

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Vveasey: Thanks for stopping by and great to meet you..

      i've read your awesome hub - commented accordingly - and shared on my fb page and elsewhere..

      very impressive sir!

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      vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI

      ImKarn23

      Great analysis!

      You and I are two peas from the same pod!

      when you have time you may want to read my hub "why do the republicans and tea baggers hate president Obama" if you haven't already

      https://hubpages.com/politics/Why-Do-People-Hate-O...

      CMerritt You say "What I dislike is that he came up through the most corrupt political arena’s possible, being Chicago"

      More corrupt than the politicians in Washington?

      I don't think so

      And just because someone "came up" in a"corrupt arena" or lives in a "corrupt" area does that automatically make them corrupt?

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @BlLeekley: I couldn't agree with you more sir! Just because Obama was the better choice - certainly doesn't make him anywhere NEAR the BEST choice!

      Personally - i fear for the country as never before..(you may notice that if you 'read' me)...It's NOT just the politicians - it's the people too! Their ability to forget history and drink whatever kool aid is handed to them is off the charts - matched only by their complacency..

      Anywhere else in the (civilized) world - folks would be rioting in the streets if their government abused them, used them, and lef t them to die (ny, nj...etc..)

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      Brian Leekley 4 years ago from Kalamazoo, Michigan, USA

      Up, Useful, and Interesting. Not long ago someone posted a bit on this topic by Rachel Maddow, if I recall right. She showed with clips that while at the national level Republican politicians were speaking of taking a more moderate stance on abortion law, immigration law, and other issues, at the local and state level, Republican legislature were getting even more extreme. I campaigned for President Obama as clearly by light years the better choice re competence, policies, record, character, etc., etc., but relative to what's needed and best, I think he is far too conservative.

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      Nellieanna Hay 4 years ago from TEXAS

      I'd expect no less, dear Leslie. Big hugs.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Nellieanna: I completely understand, my friend!

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      Nellieanna Hay 4 years ago from TEXAS

      Not so, Leslie. Mutual respect is it.

      Jim, I'm no Sam Houston. ;-)

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Xstatic: hahaha...haha.....omg...HAHA - You have SO been told, X..

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Nellieanna: Thank you Nellie! Yes, my fb page is quite...eventful at times..(understatement..lol)..

      I think Xstatic has a crush on you...HAHA...

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Xstatic: LOL...you funny boy today...

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      Jim Higgins 4 years ago from Eugene, Oregon

      I know that there are some atypical Texans left and I hope their influence spreads. You are among the bet of them, Nellieanna.

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      Nellieanna Hay 4 years ago from TEXAS

      Jim, my dad was born in 1890 in northern Indiana, raised a Mennonite, a very conservative faith. He left it, though, when he was drafted for WWI & refused to enter as a conscientious objector as his church demanded. He thought it unethical to take pay for a job one refused to do. So he split with the church. He lived his life by its morals & principles but he never went to another church. He told me once that 'if any church knew what I actually thought, they'd never let me through their doors." I can only imagine what-all he thought. He'd studied as a boy to be a minister so he had basis for whatever it was. I tried to convert him once when I was convinced of some religious dogma & it was such a laugh. Now I understand him well. His 1912 school (a Mennonite Junior College) annual said this of him, "Mr. Holdeman possesses the gift of argumentation (he was on the debate team) to the extent that hours of it find him still unbaffled. Strange to say, there is One with whom he agrees. He is a philosopher, scientist and debater." (Even so, he was on the basketball team, too.) They had him pegged.

      His political beliefs were based on strong principles, a very good mind, a good education & a naturally thinking, conservative disposition. He always 'slept on' decisions before jumping prematurely. He studied things, thought them through. He was organized and effective. He was able to exert his influence and achieve his purposes by passionate, but controlled conviction, confidence and discipline.

      He grew up in Indiana, worked in the Pacific Northwest before moving his family to Texas in pursuit of their fortune, with almost no 'stake'. He had no use for bigotry and prejudice, nor for accepting government support. He disapproved of FDR's solutions for the Great Depression. He was very much his own person, which governed his life. He would have hated how politics on both sides have evolved on so many levels.

      Mother, born in 1892 in Indiana, was an independent person from birth, I feel sure. She was not a Mennonite, but met Dad when he came to her rural school to teach. He inspired her natural aspiration for education. Her 1912 school annual said this about her: "Unbounded energy! Not only in the cause of Domestic Science, but in the one, great ambition to prove to the world that woman is man's equal." It was about 10 more years before women gained the right to vote in the U.S. She was her own brand of suffragette. I read in her diary that she talked to the other girls hoping to convince them to THINK. She exemplified traits I greatly admire in a woman. She was active till her dying day, always a good wife, tireless helpmeet & mother, but also juggled being an active landscape artist who believed in painting from actual nature, a talented writer, a philanthropist, especially with giving her time helping those in need & an all-round amazing individual. Her school annual was right. She had both high intellect and great intuition which showed in all she did.

      They came to Texas in 1919 and became pioneers in southwest Texas, where they helped tame part of that wilderness; but they never outlived the term 'Damnyankees' by the neighbors. It didn't matter to them a lot. They were too busy living life.

      So perhaps this explains why I'm an atypical Texan, a free, progressive thinker, Jim!! I am a substantial minority among my peers, age-wise, status-wise and all-wise! George's views & mine were in agreement, but I need to keep my mouth shut for the sake of peace & harmony when I'm among his kids & their extended Texan family in Austin. The closed-mindedness is so thick down there, one can cut it, in everything from football to politics. They know I'm 'out of step'. Just writing, especially poetry, puts me on the outside. haha. But when I've ridden down alone there for holidays with George, Jr. we're able to discuss things but he's quiet among them, too.

      It's an interesting environment, to say the least.

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      Nellieanna Hay 4 years ago from TEXAS

      Dear Leslie - it was a very interesting definition and other discussions were, too. I lingered quite awhile. I so admire your convictions. You're an amazing gal!!!

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      Jim Higgins 4 years ago from Eugene, Oregon

      Nellieanna may be the only progresssive thinker in Texas. No, I take that back. I looked at the Lubbock, Tx. Newspaper site the other day and they actually publish a liberal blog! Damn near fainted!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Nellianna: WOW! Well....better late than never! Good for you for getting it done! See you on Facebook, my friend!

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      Nellieanna Hay 4 years ago from TEXAS

      Thank you. It took me till age 40 to learn to drive and to begin to speak up more. But I've had my eyes open for twice that many years. Being a quiet observer with a sharp mind is quite enlightening. ;-)

      I'll look you up on FB and find that post. I'd like to read that definition. Thanks.

      Hugs.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Nellieanna: You have excellent insight, my dear - i am always thrilled to meet an open minded free thinker..Yes - he is being demonized - for all the wrong reasons - and - people should be seeing these red flags, not ignoring them! It's different this time - and i'm not the only one saying so! But - whateva'...apathy will reign until - OOPS - the shit hits the fan...

      (sorry..lol)

      i have a post on my fb page (leslie silverman) with the definition of TREASON - and - this is treason! S'OK, though - it's only 'freedom of speech' till somebody loses a president...

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      Nellieanna Hay 4 years ago from TEXAS

      I applaud your hub, Leslie. I've strong opinions too, which tend to lean most strongly FOR what I see as honor, character, fair-play, genuine good sense & progressive vision, vigorous motivation. After studying & watching the 2008 primaries with intense concentration, I was quite impressed with those qualities in Barrack Obama.

      I grew up in a conservative home (before that meant denying dissenters the right to dissent) and I'm still a registered Republican. But I always vote for the person who convinces me of possession of the attributes I respect and whoever has the best & most fair plan and platform.

      I'd become very disillusioned with 'W' and whatever good I'd seen in John McCain faded when he brought Sarah Palin in as his running mate, while I was becoming all the more encouraged by what I perceived in Obama. So I voted for him, based on hearing both sides in depth.

      Then what shocked me was how his excellent vision & plans were deliberately & illogically opposed from the first. One of the defeated opposition even said he hoped the President of the United States - Obama - failed in his 1st term! That is about as un-American and unsportsmanlike ugly a mindset imaginable for a loser in a fair election. It wouldn't be tolerated in the NFL!

      Now, again, his 2nd term is starting off with the same hatred and negative, ill-willed mindset against him which obviously cares more for blocking & defeating the winner than helping the country by honoring the election and supporting the fairly elected President. I would have respected the elected President, had the election gone the other way than my preference. I would have hoped for his success, not hoped & worked for his failure.

      What is happening is that our President is being demonized. I've no desire to demonize the losers, but I can't respect the disrespectful way their group continues to demonstrate their ill-will, which they make no effort to hide; quite the opposite, in fact. It's their battle cry continuing as if the election hadn't taken place. It was bad enough before the election results were in and the winner named. Afterwards, it's unacceptable.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Ruchira: Hi, dear, nice to see you again! The gop's social platform rendered any economic issues moot..

      They don't like or want to hear that - so they don't..it's a little frightening how tightly they stick to their guns and concede nothing - in the face of blatant fact..

      sigh..i know i'm doing my best..i wish i could do more...

      please, come again, Ruchira!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @AleciaMurphy: Hello, dear - thank you for stopping by!

      It either signals that something needs to be done - or that the incumbent president was THAT good..

      in this case i'm afraid you're correct and it's the former..

      sadly..

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      Ruchira 4 years ago from United States

      Leslie,

      Well said. The citizens had no choice either to suppress their social issues versus economic issues and things were looking bleak both sides.

      I sur hope n pray things change for the better.

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      Alecia Murphy 4 years ago from Wilmington, North Carolina

      I agree that the Republican party needs a serious regrouping. It's almost similar to 2004 Dems except I don't think there were that many extremists. Either way, when the opposing party loses- it signals something needs to happen within the leadership and the base so that people will vote for them again. Great hub!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Shingirisheyes: Hello, my friend! I have seen your comments on many of the same hubs i've visited! I feel you desire for peace...compromise...unity..

      I appreciate your support and your comment inspires me...

      Thank You

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      Shining Irish Eyes 4 years ago from Upstate, New York

      First of all - I was so alarmed by the many immature comments I read throughout Hub pages. Regardless of what "side" someone was on, it left a very bad taste in my mouth when someone would resort to name calling and down-right bashing just because an individual did not share their view.

      I commented on many hubs not to the article subject but to some of the senseless personal attacks I read in many comments. When a person can not constructively argue with education and knowledge but rather resorts to the infantile level of name calling, it advertises in black and white (and in their own words) the laughable ignorance and lack of brain cells they are roaming around with.

      Fantastic article my friend and I commend you for rising above the ugly side of human nature. You will come out on top every time because you choose to handle the conversation with education, knowledge and, above all....class.

      You are truly a class act.

      Voting up and sharing

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @WrathWarbone: Thank you Terry...

      And - thank you again...LOL..

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      Terry Chestnutt 4 years ago from Cleveland, Ohio

      Breathtaking, Karn. And every word of it is true. Thanks.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @GypsyRoseLee: lol..yep - i have to agree about the dick - i mean the don...oops..

      as soon as i found this pic - i KNEW my search was over...haha..

      He's never looked more himself!

      So appreciate the share, Rasma - Thank you!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Alwaysexploring: Late? Neva' too late for you, my friend! Let's call it...a fashionably late entrance...(SUCH an attention monger..LOL)..

      I agree, Ruby - it makes me ill - both the money spent AND the time wasted!

      Here in Canada - elections last a few months - period - to go on for TWO YEARS? That's HALF a president's whole term. Ridiculous - and spending half a billion alone on those juvenile bash-em, smash-em commercials? And - apparently for naught - as most folks get their news on-line - or have something to fast forward thru the ads..

      Again - ridiculous..

      Again, thanks for your time and support, Ruby!

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      Gypsy Rose Lee 4 years ago from Riga, Latvia

      Voted up and you already said it all. So passing this, on and on. That pic of Donald Trumpduck could scare anyone. lol

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Picklesandrufus: Agree, Agree, and Agree!

      (thank you, thank you, thank you...LOL)

      it's exhausting to write about politics...haha...it's nice when someone just says YES!

      Thanks, P&R...

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      Ruby Jean Fuller 4 years ago from Southern Illinois

      Leslie i'm late, but i wouldn't miss one of your hubs for any amount of money. You hit the nail right smack dab on target. The republicans lost because they don't know how to win anymore. Obama has them so up tight they say things like, " If a woman gets pregnant while being raped, it's God's will. " They think if they mention God's name they can't lose. The biggest mistake they ever made was Sarah Palin, talk about dumb.....I never ever thought for one minute that Mitt would win. I knew President Obama would win, good outweighs the bad every time. The only thing i am upset about is the money spent on both sides. The money spent would feed the hungry all over the world. I must admit that i donated more this time than ever before. They now can go back to the limit set on giving. Buba changed that before he left office. It used to be a 2000 $ limit. I guess they thought us poor Demos were too poor to give. Hee.. Great rant Leslie..Loved it..

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      picklesandrufus 4 years ago from Virginia Beach, Va

      I totally agree with you....the republicans hung themselves and will again if they don't make some major changes. As always, great read.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Maab30: Sigh..you mean it wasn't just my imagination?

      I'm shocked!

      American taliban...how sad...

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      Matthew Abuelo 4 years ago from News And Art From The Left

      Actually the GOP went over the deep end way before 2008. George W Bush so famously announced, "Jesus Christ is part of my foreign policy." Rush Limbaugh coining term Feminazis back in the 1990s. Trent Lott period. Dick Cheney told a congressional to go f@#$ himself. Bush called the war on Afghanistan a crusade. There is a great blog called American Taliban, which exposes these right wing nut jobs.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Pagesvoice: Noted, understood, and MUCH appreciated!

      lol..

      xx

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      arb 4 years ago from oregon

      Hi Leslie. I've absolutley no doubt as to your openess, your sensivity or your fair treatment of anything of yours I've ever read. I've no doubt that there are inumerable pages to which I might turn and encounter venomous exercises masquerading as liturature sympathetic to republican ideals. A man 's concern is always turned first and foremost to the character and integrity of his own family. Should they begin to regurgitate venom, directed at anyone, even in retribution, then I should in good conscious, bring it to their attention. Your hub is not the reason nor the provocator of the comments. It is our increasing dislike of one another and the comment box simply provides both sides a sand box to take a dump.

      I adore your hubs, your sense of humor and your politics. I am simply concerned that we are moving toward becoming the very thing we despise. Self examination may save us from ourselves. Our eventual hope lies in our character, not in being right. Gracious in both victory and defeat. I just wanted to voice an alarm, if we are to be reconciled as a country, we need to learn to hear each other. I know that you yourself have already acknowledged such a position. If more of us insist on it, perhaps the change we want will flow from there. :)

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Mhatter99: Hmmmm...afraid i don't know Texas talk radio...

      But-I DO know that the Obama has a House to deal with - my hope is that they're just as willing to DEAL with him..

      Can you say: Fiscal Cliff?

      Can you say? Executive Order?

      sigh..

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Arb: i agree with you - we need to listen to each other to move forward - that exact sentiment is what motivated this hub!

      I will tell you that this was written in quick time and yes - with a hurt and heavy heart!

      People are entitled to their opinions - but - only within reason - and law! Otherwise they become extreme - and ALL extremists are dangerous - or can quickly become dangerous..

      This country is drowning in political correctness and fear - and in that environment - the extremists ALWAYS win!

      The squeaky wheel gets the oil...

      it is certainly not that i think all people should agree on all things - it's about how they treat those who differ - either in opinion - OR lifestyle!

      If you read other political hubs of mine, sir - you will find OOOODLES of time spent trying to say just that - Let's work together in spite of differences and simply have the best interests of the country at heart..

      Whichever 'team' comes up with a great idea - let's just USE it!

      But - that doesn't work with extremists (or parties lately) - and that's what this hub is directed at.

      It is directed to those who refuse to accept differences - in fact - they refuse to accept truths ie: Obama IS now their president - and work to undermine progress!

      Me thinks you should check out the comment second on my other hubs to see the REAL venom spewed..

      OR...check out ghost32 or willstarr's hubs and see what REAL ridicule is..

      After re-reading the comments here - what i see is differences, yes - but for the most part - stated and discussed with mutual respect..

      I understand your concern, and appreciate your taking the time to voice it!

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      Mary Craig 4 years ago from New York

      Well done as always! The truth never hurt ;) Voted up and interesting.

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      arb 4 years ago from oregon

      I comment not in response to the hub itself but, from a few of the comments in the comment section.

      If we resign ourselves to ridiculing those who simply think differently, are we not coloring ourselves in the very paint which we ourselves, find offensive in the opposition? If we level indictments of stupidity against our neighbors who reside on the opposite side of the fence, then from their side of the fence, does not the same apply to us.

      This comment section is in part, absent the respect and civility due one American to another. It is evidence that the anger and dislike we see in others is, but a reflection of what an honest read of the comments, reveals within ourselves.

      America does well to carry out the will of the majority, but, it does not do so without protecting the rights of the minority. Our mutual ridicule of one another will not heal our differences. Our respect of varying opinions will. The election has illustrated that we are divided on many issues. It was not evidence that one of us was right and the other was wrong. It was evidence that whether right or wrong, the majority prevails.

      Any discussion of fault in one party will be equally matched in the fault of the other. It is a useless and absurd exercise.In the end we vote our conscious. In the end we should defend each others right to do the same, without ridicule.

      I agree with the assessment Leslie, that the exclusionary leaning of the right greatly contributed to their defeat. I trust that they will lick their wounds, consider the consequences and re-evaluate long held positions. If they fail to do so, they will probably lose the next election. If we become them in our treatment of one another, what matter will it make who wins. If approximately half of my friends and neighbors disagree with my position on American issues, it doesn't give me pause to celebrate; it gives me pause to tread lightly. My wife and I disagree on about a third of the issues. Not one issue, not a single one, has ever diminished my respect or my love for her. Her thinking process is thoughtful, intelligent, labored and logical. I am thankful for the balance she brings against my stubborn will.

      I respect the effort and the content of this hub, but, I am saddened by the hostility illustraded in some of the comments. If we want the opposition in Washington to work together, we the people, might want to get our own house in order.

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      Dennis L. Page 4 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border

      Re posted, tweeted and pinned.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @CatherineOtto: Stick around my friend - i'm full of surprises...LOL..

      As mentioned in my fanmail, dear (i'm your first..lol) I'm absolutely thrilled that you've arrived at the hub - and i KNOW that you'll love it here and fit right in!

      I'd LOVE to introduce you around -there are some amazingly fine folks here!

      Welcome, Catherine!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Xstatic: Amen to that!!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @CMerritt: That IS sonething we can agree on Chris - we DEFINITELY know where each other stands..lol

      It's a beginning, yes..haha

      Whether we agree or not - I respect you for dropping in - and phrasing your thoughts and beliefs civilly!

      It's refreshing - and i KNOW you know what i'm saying..

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Pagesvoice: Oh, Dennis - your support means SO much! You've had my back since day one - and i know you know i've got yours!

      You're like my brotha' from anotha motha'..

      AND anotha fatha'..

      LOL..

      Every single thing you say is true - and the part i feel got underplayed - and yet is SOOO telling?

      His schooldays 'antics' - a bully' is a bully is a bully...a homophobe is a homophobe is a homophobe..

      It's not as if he were disciplined for his...games..

      i know that MY feelings about bullying others and gays hasn't changed much since MY school days...

      Therefore - he didn't learn - as evidenced by strapping the family dog to a car roof and hittin' the highway! OMG - anyone who excuses that - are the same folks who say that 'Little Tommy' was just 'experimenting' when he skinned the family cat...omg..

      (perhaps i exaggerate a tad, but - im pissed...lol...can ya tell?)

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @LintheSoutheast: i hate to say this, but - i DO LOVE that picture of 'The Don'...lol

      I use the term 'Don' - as in the Costa Nostra - cause that's what he thinks he is( if not god..lol) and his boorish, bullying behavior proves it!

      Guess he'll never see himself as the pathetic joke the rest of the world does, eh?

      Guess he'll never see that he's hurting - not helping, eh?

      Nah...he'd have to lose the narcissism first - and - that requires...insight...oops!

      catch-22...

      haha

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @HLPhoenix: You are right - they are SO not done - that's what's concerns me..

      I don't believe that ever in the history of elected presidents has there been this....singular hatred!

      Quite seriously - i can see attempts made on his life this term - THAT"S how rabid they appear to be..

      You just CAN'T get a fact out of them - they just spew anger, the founding fathers, the constitution, blahblahblah..

      WHY is it that they can't see that IF the founding fathers WERE here - they'd EVOLVE as times demanded - for the good of the nation! Just because they're DEAD doesn't mean the country ought to as well, does it?

      Time is DEMANDING change - and yet - they prefer to drag down instead of help lift out..

      Anything that is not E-volving remains stagnant - and eventually begins to D-volve - if methods aren't implemented to stop the downward spiral..

      We are stagnant - It's up to 'The People' which way it goes now - and - these 'people' ain't helping!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Fpherj48: Howdy, Paula! Love to see your smiling face in my little hub-space!

      Thanks for the encouragement, my friend - i need it!

      Have a great weekend!

      How's it going up there in NY? My ma-yan has gone to NY(Queens to be exact) to help in the cleanup..

      He was a firefighter for 25 years and canNOT believe the devastation - OR the resilience - that he is witnessing..

      sigh..

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @GeorgieLowery: LOL...Even Ron Paul 'brought the crazy"? HAHAHA...and hahaha!!!

      Sad, but true, eh?

      This canadian has found a cause. it seems(or, it has found me...) and that is to ATTEMPT to open the eyes of those who have no desire to see!

      Like the hub says - rats multiply in the dark - and the libra in me has been...ignited BIG time by these arrogant, anal, a-holes..(oh, boy - look how politically correct i have become - i didn't say ASS...lol)

      i do notice not a one of em has shown up HERE to voice what they continue to bellow is the TRUTH for America...

      they're like any other violent gang - if they're not surrounded by their big beefy buddies - they're just cowards!

      But trust me - they've been here! Ain't that so, Ghost? Wayne? Poolman? JonEwell? American Romance? Tsadjatko? Cleaner3?

      I only call them by name because - they certainly didn't mind calling ME every name in the BOOK ..

      Sadly - that's the best they can do - facts elude them - anger and racism (YES, racism) consumes them!

      they ARE detrimental to the recovery of the country they profess to love!

      Shine the light, Georgie girl!

      Thanks for stopping by, my friend!

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      Martin Kloess 4 years ago from San Francisco

      Your only competition at this one is Texas news talk radio (especially Joe Pags). Bottom line is Obama won. The real big joke, that America hasn't woke up to yet is Obama still has to deal with rep. houses.

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      HLPhoenix 4 years ago

      xstatic... love this comment.

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      Jim Higgins 4 years ago from Eugene, Oregon

      Some stand on rock; some on quicksand. Some prevail; others sink by the weight of the chains of " rightousness" they haul around.

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      Chris Merritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Ask NOT what your Country can do for you - ASK what YOU can do for your Country..EXACTLY Leslie! EXACTLY!

      I even wrote about that in my last hub.........that message is lost, and it is NOT by conservatives......it is the entitlement mentality to ask, 'what can my country do for me"........

      It may be old and cold to you, but it is just the way it is or was.....

      Leslie, good night to you, and I said my piece....I know where you stand, and you know where I stand.

      :)

      Chris

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      Catharine 4 years ago

      Hi Leslie,

      I was surprised to find that you had initially supported John McCain--I had too, until he picked the less than intellectual Sarah Palin! Like you I didn't support anyone last time, didn't even vote.

      While I wish we had had more than the two candidates to choose from this time around again, I in no way supported Romney.

      I did read about a man who said that Romney's "practical jokes" played on him in high school haunted the man all his life. I can believe it. Romney didn't even try to deny he'd done things, he apologized and said he'd been immature. His eyes give me the creeps!

      I think his face only shows feeling when he looks at his wife Anne.

      I don't dislike him for being Mormon, I just dislike him and distrust him personally, only partly because of his undeniable flip-flopping.

      Someone I hoped would make it as a candidate was Jon Huntsman, but he never got the backing.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @HSchneider: I'm quite conservative, in some respects - an eye for an eye, for example..lol..(and they think canadians are granola eating tree-huggers..lol)..

      as mentioned - i rather fancied McCain - for a moment...sigh..

      Thanks for your on-going support HS - i DO notice!

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      Jim Higgins 4 years ago from Eugene, Oregon

      Yeah, he looks so natural...

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Xstatic: thank you, thank you, thank you - just for being YOU!

      Yes - I really have lost followers - without question - i could name a few 'biggies' you'd no doubt recognize...sadly..

      i don't understand why - as i'm not a 'Party' girl - i'm simpy a call-em-as-i-see-em kinda girl..

      lol..

      (i know about the dip pic, eh? As soon as i spied it i said BINGO!)

      LOL

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      Dennis L. Page 4 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border

      Voted up and across. Let me make one thing perfectly clear. You Ms. L. are far from under-educated. When it comes to being menopausal - well, only you know the answer to that.

      So according to one of the replies here, some who voted for Obama were ill informed. Really? I think I was more than up to date on a person who wanted to run this country, yet kept his fortunes in other countries in order to avoid his civic duty and pay income taxes. I was informed when, during the RNC the Romney yacht was moored in Tampa where $1 million donors boarded a vessel that flew the Cayman Islands flag. I was informed when thousands of hard working men and women lost their jobs to China and other countries while Romney continued to fatten his offshore bank accounts on the blood, sweat and tears of U.S. unemployed workers. I was informed when Romney held a fellow student down on the ground, against his will and shaved his head. I was informed when he used to dress up as a cop and pull civilians over, even though he wasn't in law enforcement. I was informed when Romney took his military deferments in order to do Mormon missionary work in France during the Vietnam War. I was informed when Romney condemned public schools, considering that he, his wife and 5 boys NEVER spent a day in a public school. I could go on and on, but you get my point as I have gotten yours.

      I love your style, flair and passion and always look forward to reading your current affairs articles. Another slam dunk, Ms. L.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @CMerritt: SIGH....HOW many times must we hear this, Chris?

      It's OLD - and COLD - and i'm soooo tired...

      Yes - the repubs in the house WERE re-elected for a reason - I shan't bother discussing it with you because i can guarantee our 'FACTS' differ..

      As far as Obama proving YOU wrong? try this on for size: Ask NOT what your Country can do for you - ASK what YOU can do for your Country..

      have a good evening, Chris..

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      Chris Merritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Leslie,

      First of all, I don't care what color the man is....that has NO impact at all on my decision.

      Secondly, I stand behind my comments. They yell obstructionism, everytime we don't go along with a bill they want to force down our throats.

      The dems are just as guilty if not moreso...when Harry Reid said no more debates on bills or no amendments...that kind of puts the repubs in a stale mate, then they yell obstructionist. ... don't believe me, google it. Also, Obama made it clear right after he took office that the repubs can go along for the ride, but they need to stay out of the way.....and he told members of the democrat congress, if they bring a "knife to the fight, they need to bring a gun"...THAT my dear is NOT leadership.

      He pissed of the other side before they ever got a chance to work together. He shoved the "obamacare " bill through so fast, that Nancy Pelosi said that we must pass the bill first before we can know what all is in it.!

      Leslie, THAT is not leadership....I agree, that there MUST be some give and take, some real negotiations and come to an agreement to pass the bills this country MUST have to secure our future.

      So, I say we MUST stand on prinicipals, those repubs in the house were re-elected for a reason......to STOP the spending. Obama has increased our deficit over a trillion dollars every years he has been in office.....Obama has NOT had a budget since he has been in office.

      These are the kind of issues I am talking about, where I don't want the repub congress to back down from. Sure, I KNOW we must give up some, but there are some things that we cannot....period.

      So I am bound and determined to fight and not roll over and let the liberal mentality continue to ruin our economy. You say it was 8 years of Bush that caused this problem........well, I know Bush made some mistakes, no denying that.......but it has been the Democrats who were in control since 2006, and they sat and allowed fannie and freddie to collapse AFTER Bush warned them that trouble was coming.

      Hey, I am going on and on, and I am not sure if I am making any sense to you...but perhaps I will wrte a hub soon, explaining why I feel the way I do real soon.

      the bottom line for me, is I want this economy to boom once again....Romney offered the best chance at that.....he is gone, and now I am counting very much on Obama and his leadership to make our economy boom.....I have little faith, but if he can prove me wrong, i will be the first to admit it.

      Chris

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      L in the Southeast 4 years ago

      You chose exactly the right photo to exemplify a Rabid Republican. In my opinion, Trump, Akin, Mourdock and Ryan alone pulled in enough votes for the President to be re-elected. Mr. Romney did little to help himself. The GOP had better learn something from this election if they have any hope of staying relevant in the near future and beyond.

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      HLPhoenix 4 years ago

      Excellently penned. The election, in the polls and on election eve... seemed soooo close, it wasn't. Actually we have had much closer elections... consider Bush 2000, when the Supremes had to cut off the recount for Bush to win... even with Florida in his pocket he only received 271 electoral votes to Gore's 266... and Gore won the popular vote by 500,000+. I agree totally with you that the Republican's lost the Race all by themselves... by Alienating the Young, the elderly, Women, Hispanics, blacks, other non-whites, Moderate Christians and folks of every other Religion... in fact had they not Jerrymanded the States the way they did in the last 2 years they would have lost the House too... as 500,000 more votes were cast for Democratic House members than for Republicans... they cheated their way into keeping control of the House. But they are not done yet... again you are right about that... they seem to think that Paul Ryans tax proposal was voted in, and that somehow Obama has no mandate. One can only hope that Rush and the rest of the loonie toons move out of the Country like they promised, now that Obama has 4 more years. Great Hub..voted +++ and sharing.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Billybuc: LOL...my dear friend - it IS funny - unfortunately - it's also deathly serious! I'm no psychic - i just call em as i see em - and quite honestly - it wouldn't take too many anti-roe v wade comments or too many rape is wonderful comments - to open my eyes to the underbelly of their agenda..

      the underbelly they couldn't protect from the voting public - the underbelly that would undermine ANY economic plan..

      if i were to thank anyone for helping me decide (besides romney himself) - it would be a looong list...gingrich, santorum, trump, akin, mcconnell, lesko - omg - need i go on..

      lol..

      Thanks for you amazing support, Bill - noted and much appreciated! You IS da bomb! lol

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @AudreyHowitt: Hello, Audrey, so nice to see you! I mean not to be 'controversial, dear - i only mean to speak the truth - and I know no other way to do than straight on...

      I mean not to offend anyone's sensibilities - only to open their eyes, hopefully...

      i was heavily invested in this election - i know what i know from not just one - but 3 very diverse news outlets - including fox, btw - which i often don't mind at all..

      often..

      i do appreciate anyone with the courage to drop in on a political articles - especially post-election..lol

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      Paula 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Karen...BRAVO!....Great work here....I like your spunk and smarts! Could not agree with you more...and that's that!...UP+++

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      Georgianna Lowery 4 years ago from Lubbock, TX

      This is a frightening situation and it really does have ramifications for the whole world.

      I registered to vote in 2008 at the tender age of 37 so that I could vote for Obama. The only Republican who I could have gotten behind since was Ron Paul, and even he brought the crazy. It's a sad situation.

      Thank you for this Hub. Sure you're Canadian, but you get it in ways a lot here don't. I wish more of my countrymen could pick apart the facts and see them for what they are.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @CMerritt: Hi, Chris, and thanks for stopping by - i know you're deeply disappointed, and i'm sorry for that.

      On the other hand, sir - the majority of the independent and undecided votes WENT TO ROMNEY, so - i wonder - do you still consider them "Ignorant and un-informed"?

      I'm sorry to have to say this Chris - but - it is EXCLUSIONARY comments such as yours that this hub is in honor of!

      Beyond that - it was YOUR comment specifically - that i found on willstarr's TRULY distasteful hub - that motivated me!

      You proudly stated: I think we Conservatives, need to lick our wounds and take a couple of deep breaths, and come back with more passsion that ever before, to stand up for our Constitution.

      We have the power of the house that must be stern and stedfast. Not buckle nor waiver. The left will shout "obstructionism" and let'em.

      With all due respect, sir - THIS is the problem - not the cure..

      it would look really good on you if you could be part of the cure and encourage your friends to follow your lead..

      (said WITH respect - and an abiding desire for peace..)

      WHY not give him a chance? The economy IS turning around AND I believe he's learned a great deal from this election, as well..

      WHY KEEP FIGHTING HIM - this one (black) man, CHRIS? Don't tell me that it's for the 'good of the country' because that's been proven bullshit! The country has spoken and while it's a small number percentage wise - it's a HUGE number demographics-wise - and - that shift in demographic is going to leave your party in the - well - in the forties!

      You going down with a ship that your american breathren have bailed on, Chris?..

      i think you're smarter than that..

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      Howard Schneider 4 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey

      Very well said, ImKarn. The Republican party used to be a very respectable party with good ideas. This group has gone so incredibly Far Right that very few sane people can support them anymore. It is a sad state of affairs. Excellent Hub.

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      Jim Higgins 4 years ago from Eugene, Oregon

      You say it like it was and is! The party of "old white men" as one former GOP White House insider called them yesterday, and their lack of inclusiveness and principal should, in my opinion, never hold the Presidency again.

      Love that pic of the donald dip!

      Did you really lose followers? Not this one.

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      thechronicler 4 years ago

      If the extremist, bigoted, women-hating, homophobic, out-of-touch, elitist, backwards and hate-mongering Republican conservatives and their "social policies" don't change and evolve, they are going to kiss the White House good-bye forever.

      Sadly, my well-meaning-but-often-clueless white middle-aged and middle-class parents are still loyal to Mittens and the Republi-fascists. This going to make for a rather polarized-feeling Thanksgiving; they are going to be "Doom and Gloom" while my fiancee and I are going to be "Jubilant and Joyous." LOL The two of us have decided we are not bringing up the politics at all, however.

      I came across this interesting article that describes splits and rifts between friends and family over President Obama, the election, and the whole America-divided mess in general:

      http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/...

      I hope this does not get worse; is it worth it to completely fall out with family and friends over these political differences? I would think not.

      Anyway, awesome hub as always--I'm going to have to read the one from nine months ago when I get a spare minute.

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      Chris Merritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Hi Leslie,

      Frist of all, I want you to know, I call them as I see them. Yes, you deserve your props for making your call way back when. I have zero problems with you having your thoughts and opinions of our election. You don’t sugar-coat your thoughts, and you too, call them as you see them.

      I just want to say few things, Obama raised more money than Romney did, than $1.1 billion, to $931 million, so it is not like Romney had any sort of advantage, they both had a ridicules amount of money that was in my opinion….WASTED. But, that’s just the way it is.

      Here is my breakdown:

      I firmly believe that 47% of voting population leans left and 47% leans right.

      It is that 6% remaining that made this decision. So, just think, there were nearly $2 Billion BUCKS spent to sway that 6%.

      About half of those 6%, in my opinion, are nothing but ignorant, un-informed citizens, who actually FELL for some of those ADS.

      I think the other 3% actually paid attention to the debates and followed the news closely. They came up with a somewhat intelligent decision.

      The bottom line is Obama managed to get enough votes he needed to win. Romney didn’t.

      I have to say, with all my heart, I think Romney was abused like nobody’s business.

      I think he is one honorable man, who has been married to the same woman for 46 years, raised five kids, who are all honorable with excellent families of their own. THAT is the kind of stuff that I find intriguing. He was attacked as being an obnoxious, woman-killing, tax-cheating, poor-folk hating man. Which nothing is further from the truth. He had an excellent record of doing the right things to make things better. He did it in Mass. as a Gov. As a CEO of the Olympics. As an Entrepreneur of his own company, that saved millions of jobs.

      Obama on the other hand, I’m sure is a great husband and father. He is a very, very good politician. What I dislike is that he came up through the most corrupt political arena’s possible, being Chicago, Ill. He is a great speaker. He made some dandy promises. He electrified his audiences. In my opinion he won that 3% of the ignorant, un-informed citizens.

      The other 3% was divided, but if you do the math, he won by less than 2% of the popular vote. Though the Electoral College looks very bad, this election was damn close.

      I salute him, he won. But I think there are extremists on both sides.

      I agree the landscape of this nation is changing, and Conservative values is slipping away. We will see how the nature of events leads us for the next election.

      Hey, I am once again rambling, but felt the need to say something.

      Chris

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      You never disappoint me! I would laugh but it's too true and too scary to laugh at.

      Do you think the Republicans have figured out that there are black and Hispanic voters? Did it ever occur to them that there were more than just while middle-aged voters with incomes above $100,000?

      They deserved to lose; the election was their for the taking if they would have been willing to move just a bit towards the center of the political spectrum.

      Oh well; suck it up, boys, have another martini, and go count your billions.

      love it Leslie!

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      Audrey Howitt 4 years ago from California

      As always, my dear, you are provocative. I thought it interesting that white males liked Romney and just about everyone else liked Obama. What that speaks to, I think, is that the GOP will have to change in order to appeal to an increasingly diverse constituency.