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The George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin Murder Trial

Updated on July 13, 2013
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I’m Just A Regular Person

I am just a regular person. I have no investment in this trial. I do not know either party. I am pretty neutral on gun rights. I have never been around guns to love them or hate them. I do not have children. I am just a regular person. I believe in god but I would not say I am a strictly religious person.

In the past year after the shooting if news about the shooting came on I listened to it but to say I followed the case closely would be wrong. Typically I am the type of person who does not pass judgement on others quickly and I usually believe the best in people.

So Why Did the Verdict Bother me so Much?

The verdict bothered me because I think it is terribly wrong. In my mind the whole case boils down to one fact. That fact is if there wasn’t racial profiling in this case on behalf of Mr. Zimmerman a young man would not be dead tonight, his parents would not have shattered lives and another’s life would not be ruined.

Even if you do not believe that this was a racial incident there still was profiling. George Zimmerman saw a young kid walking through his gated community with a hoody on (and probably those baggy low hanging pants with his boxers hanging out) and he jumped to the first conclusion that came to his mind. The kid didn’t belong in that neighborhood and was up to no good. Irregardless of his color of skin he was still profiling. No matter how you look at it. Had Trayvon been walking through that neighborhood in a suit and tie would anyone have questioned him? If he was a young girl would he have been suspicious of her? Profiling is racism.

Trayvon Martin
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The Sad Truth

The sad truth is that not many people could say that they haven’t profiled someone at some time in their life. It’s what you do after you jump to the profile in your mind that matters. How many times in your life have you met someone for the first time and jumped to the conclusion that you don’t really like that person only to find out that you jumped to the wrong conclusion and that person truly isn’t what your first impression led you to believe? It’s really the same thing as profiling but no one got hurt.

Had George Zimmerman stayed in his house and called the police and let them handle it would the situation have turned out differently? Of course it would. If Zimmerman had went out with an open mind and without a pre conceived notion that Trayvon was someplace he shouldn’t be would the situation have turned out differently? Probably. Even if Trayvon was defensive as most teens are at that age and used profanity towards Zimmerman would the situation have escalated as quickly as it did if Zimmerman hadn’t gone out there expecting there to have a problem with him. It might not have.

But we will never know. The question still remains that Zimmerman is an adult. At what point did he decide that turning back was not an option? If Trayvon had been only 16 would the jury have had a different verdict? I would bet yes.

As Americans When Do we Take Responsibility?

So when do we take responsibility for our actions? For our youth? When do we standup as Americans to treat people the right way? When do we stop the hatred, bigotry and racism?

The only way this will ever happen is one person at a time. If each one of us would do the things most Parent’s taught us when we were young it would make a big difference.

Treat people as you would like to be treated.

If you can’t say something nice than say nothing at all.

Don’t judge a book by its cover

As Americans we have the power to stop tolerating hatred, bigotry and racism of every kind. We just need to use our voices. How many times have you sat idolly by while your “friends” have had conversations that were about someone else. Whether they were making fun of someone’s color, religion, weight or sexual preference? Did you stop them? Or did you just sit back quietly and not say a word? Well, you may have felt that since you weren’t involved in the conversation you were not participating in the bigotry or racism. But by being silent and letting them continue to speak their hatred you in turn were just as bad as they are because you tolerated it to continue. Tolerance is condoning.

It is time for all of us to use these situations to teach our friends and family that are not as knowledgable about other cultures, religions or sexual preferences as we are. By speaking up and pointing out that hatred is wrong it will spark conversation and with this conversation we can begin to teach tolerance.

Will this be easy. No. Confrontation is never easy. But what makes it easier is standing up for what you believe. And if you can’t do that, than you can always walk away. But until each one of us uses our voice we will continue to breed hatred and racism and we are no better than them.

Innocent until proven guilty

So “they” say that George Zimmerman was deemed guilty before he had a trial before his peers. But I ask, wasn’t Trayvon Martin? George Zimmerman made himself his judge and jury.

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      Rhonda Humphreys 3 years ago from Michigan

      Thank you so much for you comment grand old lady. As you can see there was much debate about my piece and my feelings regarding the verdict. I agree with you that Travon's witnesses were not educated, though I did watch the woman that was on the phone with Trayvon at the time of his shooting on Piers Morgan. She was much more relaxed and was able to speak more intelligently then she did on the stand. Its unfortunate that there was not more diversity with in the jury. Possibly this would have balanced the outcome. It is apparent from recent events that George Zimmerman was not what he appeared to be during the trial either.

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      Mona Sabalones Gonzalez 3 years ago from Philippines

      I followed the case and was very saddened by the verdict, too. Not because of profiling, but because the witnesses from Trayvon's side were a portrait of his life. The main witness was under educated, couldn't read and was ashamed of it. She wasn't polished. The family was in pain. The only educated and impressive witness was Trayvon's biological mother. The witnesses on Zimmerman's side spoke well, had better diction and grammar. Trayvon was not living the American dream and I think it was very hard for the jurors to identify with him.

      Recently Zimmerman's girlfriend charged him with domestic abuse, http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2013-11-18/new... and then later backed off. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/12/... This is a common pattern where domestic violence is concerned. Zimmerman likes his guns and he is capable of harm, more so, it seems since he literally got away with murder.

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      Rhonda Humphreys 3 years ago from Michigan

      The pictures used were just pictures I could find at the time. I did not state that they were of tm at thetime of the shooting.

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      Rhonda Humphreys 3 years ago from Michigan

      brian,so are you saying that the media planned all this?? (And yes I know that is not what you are saying) I do however feel that you are wrong saying that noone would care if gz was a black killing a black. Irregardless of the whole profiling or race a life was lost. It still would have effected people. He still had a family. If gz was black killing another black it still wouldn't have justified someone taking out a gun and shooting an unarmed kid or man.What did gz think he was going to do?? throw skittles at him. And tonight we hear reports that gz is in trouble for brandishing his weapon around again. How many people does he have to kill before people realize that the man is a vigilante who thinks he has the right to "Stand his ground" and shoot at anyone who he thinks is a threat???

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      titan 4 years ago

      That is a picture of trayvon when he was 12. Trayvon was a lot bigger when he was killed.

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      brian 4 years ago

      Rhondahumphrey1,

      The thing you need to realize this is just the media race hustling everyone. If trayvon martin would have been shot by a black man no one would care. If martin was a white teen no one would care. This is just the media jumping on a white on black crime. If zimmerman was black he would not have to watch his back.

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      Rhonda Humphreys 4 years ago from Michigan

      Brian, I too have many black friends but I feel that what could have changed the outcome is Zimmerman's approach to Trayvon. Nothing wrong with asking Trayvon what he was doing in that neighborhood. But how was it asked?? It was GZ right to do but was it in a respectful manner? With out being there its hard to say. And after he asked then tome he should have left it alone. I guess I don't see skin color that way. I think people with react the way you treat them. Treat people the way you want to be treated and they will treat you right too.

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      brian 4 years ago

      Emmanuel karaki,

      I think they were afraid to put zimmerman in jail because they were afraid he would get murdered in jail.

      If I were in zimmermans shoes I would have felt more comfortable being black before the trial. I would not want race to be an issue. Shawn taylor was murdered by 5 black men and nobody attacked their character like they did zimmerman.

      I have always said black skin would be good for a security guard or cop. When your job description is to protect people I think the blacker your skin the better. I think most people look at the white man as weak. Nothing wrong with hiring white law enforcement but you need to put a black face on it. I feel safer walking in the mall because most security is black. It may be a better PR move to have more black security world wide.

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      brian 4 years ago

      Rhondahumphreys1,

      I am not racist at all. I have a lot of black friends and I know how most black people think. I think that a black faced cop or security guard can clean up the streets better with a blackface. If george zimmerman was black and he approached trayvon martin I think things would have went more smoothly. It is time to pull the trigger on bringing pigmentation into the white community. Put a black face on security to avoid racial politics.

      If george zimmerman was black, black people would not be talking smack. That is not the race card that is the real card. Black skin would be like a security guard fot george zimmerman.

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      Rhonda Humphreys 4 years ago from Michigan

      Emmnuel thank you so much for you comment. I completely agree with you. That comment was a paraphrase from Eli Moore's comment to me. It was not mine. I hope that the readers of this hub understand that.

      I do agree with you that the jury should have been balanced not only racially but also between men and women.

      Again

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      Emmanuel Kariuki 4 years ago from Nairobi, Kenya

      RhondaHumphreys1 - "A white cop is racist until proven innocent" - that is profiling at its worst, the very vice that you attributed to Zimmerman in this hub.

      Would you all agree that a more racially balanced jury would have appeared more objective to the losers?

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      Rhonda Humphreys 4 years ago from Michigan

      Exactly Eli.Zimmerman should have retreated when he felt danger.

      And your right enough has been said,your prejudice is outthere gleeming for everyone to see...

      "All I know is if I was a security guard I would feel more comfortable if I was a black man. A white cop is racist until proven innocent. If you are black you can do your job without dealing with racial politics. I think the white cops and security guards should dye their skin black and pass as black men. Black skin will protect them from racial politics. Robert downey did it so do not say it can not be done."

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      Eli Moore 4 years ago

      Yes, if I was Zimmerman I would have stayed in my car.

      I have shared my stories with you, and showed that I have retreated when I felt danger and never had a problem.

      So, there we compromise.

      I won't drag this out anymore. Enough has been said.

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      Rhonda Humphreys 4 years ago from Michigan

      Yes you have taken statements that I have said and pointed out that you feel that they are unfounded. However that doesn't mean that they are untrue. I still stand by my statement that if George Zimmerman felt that Trayvon was so suspicious that he called 911 then he should have stayed in his truck. I am not the only one who feels that way. My point was this whole tragedy didn't have to happen. If you believe the way you say it happened (and the prosecution proved in court) that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, than had zimmerman not got out of the truck it wouldn't have happened. I never said he didn't have a right to get out of his truck. There is a difference from being suspicious of someone enough to call the police on them and unknowingly walking into a situation and getting hurt/raped or killed.

      Why aren't you attacking anyone else for having the same feeling I have?? There has been other people who have commented on this piece and you never even acknowledged one that specifically had the same view as me. So what's up with that??

      And how can you say you haven't insulted me?? You seriously don't see calling someone ignorant and a big mouth as insults??

      Idont have to have an opinion,I do have an opinion. I never once said that I didn't listen to the trial I said I didn't study it closely. And if I haven't acknowledged some of your commentsit is not because I haven't read them it is because they are redundant.

      "P.S., It isn't an insult. When I saw your unfounded statements, all I did was point out that there is no way you could claim such things. And I didn't just assert what I believed; I gave you evidence you could refer to to see where it is on this planet that I am getting the facts surrounding the topic we are talking about from" Calling someone ignorant and a big mouth you don't see as an insult. Maybe that

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      brian 4 years ago

      Rhondahumphreys1,

      All I know is if I was a security guard I would feel more comfortable if I was a black man. A white cop is racist until proven innocent. If you are black you can do your job without dealing with racial politics. I think the white cops and security guards should dye their skin black and pass as black men. Black skin will protect them from racial politics. Robert downey did it so do not say it can not be done.

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      Eli Moore 4 years ago

      I have said enough.

      I don't need to say anything further. If you still don't wanna collect and weigh all these facts BEFORE you make your moral judgment, then there is nothing I can do.

      Have a good evening.

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      Eli Moore 4 years ago

      "So now am I to believe that you don't feel she purgered herself??"

      I personally wouldn't believe that the star witness for the prosecution, who was the friend of Trayvon Martin, who was coached by the attorney for the Martin family, who was asked by Trayvon's father to help prosecute Zimmerman, would make up a lie TO HURT the case against Zimmerman.

      It doesn't make sense. Could be true. Could not be true.

      Either way, from the police call by Zimmerman and the testimony by witnesses, Trayvon still had AT LEAST 4 minutes completely out of the sight of Zimmerman to make it to his house that was a football's throw away.

      Remember what Zimmerman said on the police phone call? "He ran. . . . I don't know where the kid is. . . ."

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      Eli Moore 4 years ago

      I have taken statements that you based your opinions on and pointed out to you how unfounded they were. Why can't you just deal with the fact that there is no evidence to suggest that the things you find wrong ever even happened?

      That's the problem. You keep saying things that are far from opinions; rather you say things that are outright loose speculations and total falsehoods.

      "Or is it that I am a women with an opinion?? Or is it that I am white and I am defending someone who is a different race."

      Here is an example of how loose you are with reality and how quick you are to speculate. You just pick things out that you want to be true and then run with them. You know you have no reason to assume any of these things.

      "Might I point out that you are the one who used this analogy."

      Did you forget that you told me that you thought Zimmerman was accountable because he left his car? My point is that such a moral stance is saying effectively that anyone who is the victim of an attack is guilty for not knowing that they were going to be attacked and not staying away from the area they were attacked.

      Zimmerman could not have known he was going to be attacked by some random teenager.

      P.S., It isn't an insult. When I saw your unfounded statements, all I did was point out that there is no way you could claim such things. And I didn't just assert what I believed; I gave you evidence you could refer to to see where it is on this planet that I am getting the facts surrounding the topic we are talking about from.

      If you don't start with acknowledging what is known to actually have happened, I don't see how you even have a basis to draw an opinion.

      Are you trying to have an opinion about something you know to have happened, or are you trying to make up what happened and then draw the opinion?

      OR, is it that if you acknowledged what is actually known about this case, your opinions will be weakened, just like the prosecution's case was?

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      Rhonda Humphreys 4 years ago from Michigan

      So no answers to any of my other comments just more insults. Now I am incapable of comprehending??? Well sir you are incapable of hearing anothers opinion or feelings. I said I didn't follow the trial closely I didnt say I didn't listen to anything about. Again go back and read what I wrote.

      "So are you saying that Trayvon Martin didn't have the right to walk to the store and walk back?? He didn't have the right to visit his Dad's fiance?? Your saying that he shouldn't have went outside because HE ASKED FOR IT??"

      Might I point out that you are the one who used this analogy "Yea? So you would tell a rape victim that they should'a stayed home because they put themselves in the situation?" So you're saying Trayvon deserved what he got??

      So no answer from you about these questions I posed to you?

      Is it that you just don't like that someone else has an opinion that is not yours??

      Or is it that I am a women with an opinion??

      Or is it that I am white and I am defending someone who is a different race.

      You truly don't feel that Zimmerman over stepped his boundaries?? So again I ask you,do you feel that Trayvon Martin deserved what he got because of his reputation of being a fighter and calling George Zimmerman a cracka??

      You say this to me "I honestly think that you are incapable of comprehending facts. I pointed out to you that Rachel Jeantel, who was on the phone with Trayvon Martin until he got into the fight, testified to the court that Trayvon Martin made it home minutes before he got into a fight with Zimmerman" but than you also said this previously "For example, the testimony of Rachel Jeantel. Rachel Jeantel was such a terrible witness for the prosecution that her testimony was a comedy. It was utterly terrible. She admitted to multiple instances of perjury on the stand. She testified to things that helped the defense, multiple things. Comments on social media blew up with people talking about how bad she was. Thousands upon thousands of comments" So now am I to believe that you don't feel she purgered herself??

      I am curious,are you a lawyer??

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      Eli Moore 4 years ago

      "So are you saying that Trayvon Martin didn't have the right to walk to the store and walk back?? He didn't have the right to visit his Dad's fiance?? Your saying that he shouldn't have went outside because HE ASKED FOR IT??"

      I think the point that the Jury got was that NO ONE apparently did anything to stop Trayvon Martin from going home.

      I honestly think that you are incapable of comprehending facts. I pointed out to you that Rachel Jeantel, who was on the phone with Trayvon Martin until he got into the fight, testified to the court that Trayvon Martin made it home minutes before he got into a fight with Zimmerman.

      The only possibility you could draw from that is that Martin doubled back with the intention of confronting Zimmerman.

      The defense determined that after Martin ran into the houses he had a full 4 minutes where Zimmerman had no idea where he even was, and therefore he couldn't possibly have been tailed by or threatened by Zimmerman.

      These are based on facts that came out in the trial and you ought to go look them up or see the trial for yourself.

      That ridiculous, petty comment of yours is completely discredited. The jury, with 5 mothers, thought so. I think so.

      Therefore, it wasn't manslaughter either.

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      Rhonda Humphreys 4 years ago from Michigan

      Prospectboy,thank you for your comments and for actually reading what I wrote and understanding the meaning of my piece. Because of my belief that there is good in everyone I feel that we can close the gap on racism if we continue to all work together on it. Obviously if you have read the comments there are those that you will change or will not allow another opinion but that will not stop me from trying to educate and communicate with others on the subject.

      I agree with you that the prosecution should have went for manslaughter and obviously I too was disapointed in the verdict. And your right,noone won in this situation!!

      Eli, As Prospectboy points out Zimmerman was a neighbor hood watchman nothing more.

      "Yea? So you would tell a rape victim that they should'a stayed home because they put themselves in the situation?" So are you saying that Trayvon Martin didn't have the right to walk to the store and walk back?? He didn't have the right to visit his Dad's fiance?? Your saying that he shouldn't have went outside because HE ASKED FOR IT??" I'm thinking that is what you are saying but your to afraid to say it. I also feel in reading all of your comments that you feel that Trayvon deserved to die.

      George Zimmerman could have waited for the police. He didn't have to get out of the car. The police were on their way.

      And again with the insults?? Is it that you just don't like that someone else has an opinion that is not yours?? Or is it that I am a women with an opinion?? Or is it that I am white and I am defending someone who is a different race. The fact of the matter is I have my opinion, I have a right to express it. And because I do does not make me a big mouth, ignorant!!

      No matter how you look at it Zimmerman over stepped his boundaries.

      I do hope that you are never faced with loosing a child because of that child being profiled. And God forbid if that ever does happen I hope this is still available for you to go back and read. Maybe than you will have a different view.

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      Eli Moore 4 years ago

      RhondaHumphreys1 ,

      "I felt that a life was lost because of someone WHO could have stopped at any point before it escalated to someone being hurt and someone else being killed."

      Yea? So you would tell a rape victim that they should'a stayed home because they put themselves in the situation?

      That is obviously ridiculous and that's why the people who philosophized about the laws of self-defense decided otherwise: You are free to do whatever you want that is legal (watching people for 10 minutes in NOT illegal). But if you trap someone and threaten their life, they can defend themselves. Martin didn't have a single mark on him except on his fist. The gunshot was proven to have been fired as he was leaning over. It ONLY could have been fired if he was leaning over, and it couldn't have been fired as he was backing up, according to a world-renown forensic expert that was in the trial.

      There is no evidence that Zimmerman ever did anything to instigate this. Trayvon was calling him a "creepy-ass cracka" BEFORE he ever even got out of his car.

      Tons of witnesses testified about George's character. He was never confrontational. He was meek. He never fought.

      Trayvon Martin's texts showed that he was a serial fighter, persistently getting into illegal street fights for sport, even right around the time he beat up Zimmerman.

      Read Martin's texts. Watch the trial. You don't even know what you are talking about.

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      Bradrick H. 4 years ago from Texas

      Very heartfelt and interesting perspective you've written here Rhonda. Like you, I'm one of those people that tends to look for the good in everyone. However, I've come to the conclusion a long time ago that racism will never cease to end. It's one of those things that is a cycle that continues from generation to generation. People are always going to have their opinions, and there isn't much that anyone can do to change their minds.

      As far as the case goes, I felt like the prosecution overcharged Zimmerman. They should have went for manslaughter all along. They also had terrible witnesses that helped out the defense more than it did the prosecution. I agree with you as far as Zimmerman's actions on that night. If he had done his job which was a 'watchman', none of this would have happened. Neighborhood watch means watching, observing, and then calling the police. It doesn't entail pursuing someone.

      I was disappointed in the verdict, but I wasn't surprised either. This is America, and it's been proven time and time again that justice doesn't always prevail. It's just hard for me to accept the fact that Zimmerman killed a 17 year old kid, and gets to walk away clean. Regardless as to what really happened, he allowed himself to be overpowered by a kid, and chose to shoot him. Common sense should have told Zimmerman that if he knew he couldn't fight, he probably had no business following Trayvon Martin.

      No one wins in these types of situations. Trayvon's parents have to mourn their son the rest of their lives, and Zimmerman's life will never be the same either. This was all an unfortunate incident that could have easily have been prevented if Zimmerman would have used his common sense. I enjoyed reading this your thoughts on this. Voted up, rated interesting.

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      Rhonda Humphreys 4 years ago from Michigan

      Eli,All I can say is that it is people like you that contribute to the intolerance in this world. You have a need to prove that you are right no matter what and cannot hear another's view. I wrote my piece on the feelings I had hearing the verdict and the sadness I felt that a life was lost because of someone WHO could have stopped at any point before it escalated to someone being hurt and someone else being killed. I have a right to my feelings and views. And you yours.

      You say that it is "utterly unfounded" that Zimmerman pursued Trayvon. Then how is it that he was out of his car?? Because he was pursuiting him on foot.

      I stand by my point that unless you were there YOU and I will never know the true facts. Your comment that I "should listen to people talking about facts, like lawyers, prosecutors, police, and credible witnesses (not Mary Cutcher)." Seriously? Lawyers? Because a lawyer would never skew the facts or leave witnesses out to prove their case? Right?? Oh yes and what was Nancy Graces last profession...hmm she was a prosecuter...someone you say talks about the facts. And NO I don't watch that show.

      Again I will point out that I feel you can have a spirited conversation WITHOUT running a person down for having a different view by telling them they are ignorant, big mouth and what have you. Typically when people do that it is because they've got nothing else!

      Emmanual Thank you very much for your comments. I too thought Zimmerman would get manslaughter or involuntary manslaughter. I do respect the juries decision but I also think that if this case is not appealed we will see charges in civil court by trayvons parents.

      Again thank you for your comments I welcome anothers view

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      Eli Moore 4 years ago

      Emmanuel Kariuki,

      Do you not understand the disconnect between the major media and reality? What age are you living in where you believe the media will actually cover a case like this accurately? Three (3) people were fired from MSNBC for manipulating the phone call Zimmerman made to the police.

      I remember watching the most important parts of the trial, and then immediately hearing biased commentators totally skew the facts about what literally just happened minutes before.

      For example, the testimony of Rachel Jeantel. Rachel Jeantel was such a terrible witness for the prosecution that her testimony was a comedy. It was utterly terrible. She admitted to multiple instances of perjury on the stand. She testified to things that helped the defense, multiple things. Comments on social media blew up with people talking about how bad she was. Thousands upon thousands of comments.

      And what did the TV commentators on CNN et al. say afterwards? "She was pretty credible."

      ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Credible?

      Obviously the sequestered jury didn't think so. And you should consider again why it is you were shocked by the verdict. Was it because Zimmerman really had a big case against him? Or was it that you were misinformed and biased by a media that is so far from reality they might as well all call themselves The Daily Show or The Colbert Report.

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      Emmanuel Kariuki 4 years ago from Nairobi, Kenya

      Sorry to butt in a dialogue between two. All I can say is that I followed the story on CNN the week prior to the Jury decision. Most interviewees thought Zimmaerman would get a "manslaughter" verdict and so did I. I watched the Jury verdict live (perhaps nine hours ahead of your US time) and was shocked to hear "Not Guilty."

      I hope there is room for an appeal so that the prosucutor can do a better job, because in my opinion, profiling or no profiling, the prosecution was not as good as it should have been.

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      Eli Moore 4 years ago

      "I put the burden on Zimmerman because after he called 911 he continued to pursue Trayvon."

      That is an utterly unfounded statement.

      And, if you considered the evidence in the trial, you would see that it is in fact incredibly UNLIKELY.

      Perhaps you got that from Nancy Grace, but you really should not listen to speculation. You should listen to people talking about facts, like lawyers, prosecutors, police, and credible witnesses (not Mary Cutcher).

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      Eli Moore 4 years ago

      Mary Cutcher was a fraud.

      I heard her story BEFORE the trial and she admitted that she did not see anything.

      All she said was that she heard something (apparently) and then she tried INCREDIBLY HARD to get her story out, and it just so happened that she "knew" that Zimmerman attacked Martin.

      She was a liar.

      Notice how the prosecution didn't even attempt to bring her in court. She would have made them look bad.

      Do you really think the 3 prosecutors would overlook her if she was so valuable?

      Seriously, your ignorance about this trial is showing the more you talk. You should have watched the trial. You would know more.

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      Rhonda Humphreys 4 years ago from Michigan

      Oh,BTW Eli Moore,check out the name Mary Cutcher. This was reported by the Huffington Post:

      March 14, 2012 -- Mary Cutcher, a woman listed in police reports as a witness who heard Martin's shooting, tells WFTV.com that police took only a short statement from her following the shooting.

      "[The police] blew us off, and I called back again and I said, 'I know this was not self-defense. There was no punching, no hitting going on at the time, no wrestling,'" says Cutcher

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      Rhonda Humphreys 4 years ago from Michigan

      I put the burden on Zimmerman because after he called 911 he continued to pursue Trayvon. Even if he did follow him he should have stayed in his car if he felt that Trayvon was such a threat. I think everything that Zimmerman did up to the point of getting out of the car was his right to do.

      I do have tolerance for truth and justice and if you can prove to me that every single person involved in this case were telling the truth. But you and I only have what the media has reported and what came out in the trial. Do you believe that every person that was put on stand was telling the truth?? You wrote a hub on one that was proven to have lied on the witness stand. So how many others were there that lied?? We will never know. You even stated above that "the media who distorted the story for ratings".

      Are you speaking that George Zimmerman never said anything racist that night or that week or his entire life?? "ABSOLUTELY never said anything racist" Absolutely?? That'sa pretty strong statement.

      "The only reason people are calling Zimmerman racist is because he called the police on black teenagers. Well, guess what? Zimmerman did not pick the race of the criminals who broke into houses in his neighborhood." I get this but just because black teenagers broke into neighborhood houses before doesn't mean that every black teenager that walks in that neighboorhood is going to break into someones house.

      I never pointed my finger at anyone for guarding his house. But remember it wasn't his house now was it?? If Trayvon had broke into GZ house that would be a completely different conversation. And I never said that home invasion should be tolerated. Now you are making things up and saying things that are just irrelevant and unfounded.

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      Eli Moore 4 years ago

      Ok. Why do you put the burden on Zimmerman? Why are you picking on him when you don't even know whether he confronted Trayvon Martin or not?

      Why can't we just tolerate truth and justice? Why are there hundreds of confused, racist people protesting in the streets because Trayvon was black? No one injected race into this story except Trayvon Martin, who called Zimmerman a "creepy ass cracker," the media who distorted the story for ratings, and the people trying to reenact the civil rights movement.

      In my opinion, based on the evidence and the 50-something witnesses, I believe the most tolerant person has been George Zimmerman. And I say that with a completely straight face.

      Zimmerman waited until he was on his back getting beaten nearly to death, until he begged witnesses for help, who instead went to call the police, to pull out his gun and defend himself. And it is unlikely that he provoked Martin as Martin had made it back to his house before he doubled back to fight Zimmerman.

      No one in his neighborhood, nor the neighborhood watch, nor the police, nor the lead investigator, nor the 911 operator, said George Zimmerman was anything other than a mild-mannered, meek man, who never displayed rage, and ABSOLUTELY never said anything racist.

      The only reason people are calling Zimmerman racist is because he called the police on black teenagers. Well, guess what? Zimmerman did not pick the race of the criminals who broke into houses in his neighborhood. And he didn't ask Trayvon to attack him.

      For God's sake, how can you possibly point the finger at a man for just guarding his neighborhood? I live in a town with 60,000 people and home invasions are rare and always alarm people.

      I hope you aren't suggesting people should tolerate home invasions and random physical assaults? That, I admit, there is NO TOLERANCE for. That is where the line is drawn.

      No one should have to accept that they can't pick up the phone and call 911 to report suspicious persons. No one should have to accept that they can't offend people by watching them walk through their own neighborhood.

      Zimmerman acted responsibly. He didn't pick the people who robbed his neighborhood. And he didn't ask Trayvon to attack him.

      You need to tolerate Zimmerman's right to walk outside in public. Clearly Trayvon couldn't tolerate that. Just looking creepy was too much for him, enough to break someone's nose.

      So, why such a burden on Zimmerman, who just had to shoulder everyone's racism, bias, prejudice, and ignorance -- not to mention Trayvon's attack on him -- for a year now?

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      Rhonda Humphreys 4 years ago from Michigan

      I admitted it in the first paragraph of my article. This article was about MY feelings on the verdict and how if people had tolerance of each other and tried to see situations through others eyes that maybe we could make the division between race, religion and sexual preference smaller. Go back and read it again. Maybe this time you will HEAR what my point of view was.

      And btw, unless you were there your opinion is just as unfounded as mine. You may have followed the trial but you weren't there so you will never know what actually happened. We all only know what was reported.

      First off I am not arguing. You are. I never said I wanted to have an arguement. Just like George Zimmerman you were the one who approached me.

      I wrote an article on how if we all would stop rushing to judgement of others (or profiling) and stop allowing others to have bigoted conversations about others (either by voicing our opinion or asking others to stop) than maybe we could start healing the division in our country.

      Obviously you read what you wanted to read and wanted to make it a "who's right and who's wrong situation".

      My whole point was maybe if MR Zimmerman had taken a minute and stepped back. Thought about what he was doing maybe this wouldn't have happened. He jumped to a conclusion (founded or unfounded) took matters into his own hand and the situation escolated into someone loosing there life. It didn't have to go that far. If Zimmerman had waited who know's,maybe when the police arrived they may have shot Trayvon if he was doing something wrong. But we will never know will we??

      I do also believe that we can have a spirited conversation with out calling names or talk about big mouth or be mean spirited. That is a good why to start changing things in this country.

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      Eli Moore 4 years ago

      "I said in the start of my article that I had not followed the case closely. The details of the case are not the point."

      Then what on God's green earth are we even talking about?

      How can you seriously try to argue about a case that you do not even know the facts about? You don't see how absurd that is? This is why you keep making things up and saying things that are just irrelevant and unfounded.

      I can't believe you just admitted you didn't follow the case, don't care about the facts, but then you want to have an argument about the case?

      BASED ON WHAT!!!!!!?

      You need to know what you are arguing about.

      This is why the prosecution lost. They just played games and speculated.

      YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPECULATE. You can watch the entire trial on YouTube and see all the evidence and hear all the witnesses.

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      Rhonda Humphreys 4 years ago from Michigan

      Thank you Eli Moore for helping me prove my point of this article. You are reading but are not hearing the meaning of my article. I said in the start of my article that I had not followed the case closely. The details of the case are not the point.

      This whole tradgety could have been avoided if George Zimmerman had left the police work to the police. George Zimmerman was part of the neighborhood watch. "Watch" being the operative word.

      Profiling in anyway TO ME is wrong. Whether it be towards youth, gays,people with tatoo's or what have you. If we all stepped back,took a few minutes to understand where someone else is coming from and speak to them maybe we could change the bigotry in this world. Or doesn't that interest you?

      How could Trayvon have been the aggressor? Maybe he was after being followed in the dark and confronted. But if there hadn't been any confrontation it wouldn't have happened.

      Let me ask you this if Trayvon attacked Zimmerman and there were multiple witnesses watching why didn't they step in and help Zimmerman?? Are you telling me that two big strong men couldn't have stopped Trayvon? Especially when one of them was armed?

      You go on to say"Zimmerman screamed MULTIPLE TIMES before he decided to shoot Trayvon." So your telling me that this was premeditated by Zimmerman?

      And who do you think you are to say to me "Check this story out before running your mouth about how this is all about race:" Before RUNNING MY MOUTH?? Really?? I live in America. I have the right to say whatever I want. We live in a free nation. Just as Trayvon Martin had the right to walk down a street after dark with out being harmed. But again you have just proven my point once again. Ignorance and having a closed mind that can only hear one side of a story is what is deviding our country. Hatred breeds hatred,ignorance breeds ignorance.

      Oh and btw,your very first point with the link to the article about finding 12 piece of jewelry in TM backpack with a screw driver did you happen to read the title??

      MIAMI-DADE POLICE DEPARTMENT: TRAYVON MARTIN NOT TIED TO ANY REPORTED JEWELRY THEFTS

      I'm assuming you can read?

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      Eli Moore 4 years ago

      RhondaHumphreys1,

      Zimmerman thought he was suspicious because he didn't walk through the font gate, it was nighttime, and he was slowly walking through the rain looking into a house that had been burglarized before (like literally weeks ago).

      Did you know that Miami-Dade Schools Police Department had a report on Trayvon Martin that said they searched his backpack after he had been caught writing graffiti and they found 12 PIECES OF WOMEN'S JEWELRY, A WATCH, AND A SCREWDRIVER (a burglar tool).

      http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/03/27/miami-d...

      Did you know that?

      The man who said to Zimmerman "Ok we don't need you to do that" testified in court that he did not order Zimmerman to do anything because he wasn't a police officer. He also testified that he told Zimmerman to keep an eye on him. Zimmerman said he ran. All Zimmerman said he was doing was looking for where he went; then he was looking for a street sign.

      "So, in your opinion was he profiling or not? You seem conflicted."

      Read my comment again. I said he didn't RACIALLY profile him. But he did profile him as suspicious ... that's why he called the police. And everything he told the police turned out to be pretty true (e.g., that he was on drugs).

      "My point of this article was to spark thought on how WE (and I include myself) treat others. We judge, we profile, we breed hatred and we don't listen to each other. And until we do there will always be division between cultures and sexual preferences. And there will always be bigotry and hatred."

      All Trayvon had to do was keep his hands to himself. There is no evidence that anyone was trying to hurt him. And there is no evidence that Zimmerman was right on his tail OR that Zimmerman grabbed him, or touched him in anyway before the fight.

      "The fact of the matter is Zimmerman was the pursuant."

      If you listen to the real 911 call, it goes on for a while AFTER Zimmerman got out of his car. Zimmerman stopped. He told Shawn Noffke that he DIDN'T KNOW WHERE HE WAS. THAT HE RAN. He said he didn't want to give out his phone number because Trayvon had disappeared. He wasn't coming after him. The defense pointed out that Trayvon had a full 4 MINUTES at this point to go home. His house was a football's throw away from this area. Rachel Jeantel testified that Trayvon, indeed, MADE IT HOME.

      Then Trayvon wound up BACK several hundred yards from his house, retracing his steps, to get into a fight with Zimmerman. How and why did Trayvon double back?

      "So how was it that he felt so threatened that he had to KILL to get away??"

      Multiple witnesses, especially, John Goode, saw the fight. John Goode was 15 feet away. He saw Zimmerman on the bottom screaming for help and getting punched.

      Zimmerman screamed MULTIPLE TIMES before he decided to shoot Trayvon. Even though the 911 call with the screams is not analyzable, John Goode testified it was Zimmerman.

      Trayvon was the aggressor. He was an imminent danger to Zimmerman's life and there isn't a shred of evidence that Zimmerman ever tried to threaten Trayvon. None.

      And don't say that a black man wouldn't be able to get off for self-defense. Check this story out before running your mouth about how this is all about race: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXjVx0Lqf0E

      Eerily similar to the Trayvon Martin case, isn't it? Oh, except it happened with a white teenage being shot by a black man. And the white teenager didn't even attack the black man at all. No news story of course.

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      Rhonda Humphreys 4 years ago from Michigan

      If there wasn't racial profiling or just plan ole profiling then WHY was Zimmerman suspicious of him?? For walking down the road and suspiciously eating skittles??

      Even if Martin called Zimmerman a "Creepy ass Cracka" Why did he leave his car after being told not to?? If he felt so threatened why didn't he stay in the car where he could drive away if he felt threatened??

      You state: "THERE IS NOT A SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE THAT ZIMMERMAN RACIALLY PROFILED MARTIN. " But then go on to say in your comments "As far as profiling, in general, everything Zimmerman assumed turned out to be TRUE. " So, in your opinion was he profiling or not? You seem conflicted. Or is it that you are trying to prove Zimmerman's innocence??

      My point of this article was to spark thought on how WE (and I include myself) treat others. We judge, we profile, we breed hatred and we don't listen to each other. And until we do there will always be division between cultures and sexual preferences. And there will always be bigotry and hatred.

      The fact of the matter is Zimmerman was the pursuant. Yes,he had the right to go out and ask questions as to why Trayvon was in that neighborhood. I agree with that but he could have backed off at anytime. He had a gun, he had a car. So how was it that he felt so threatened that he had to KILL to get away??

      Trayvon Martin was 17 years old, a legal adult. If he had been 12 or thirteen would the public have reacted the same way? Would the jury have come to a different conclusion? Even if it was a female of the same age and color I feel there would have been more public out cry and possibly a different out come of the trial.

      What did Trayvon Martin do that was so criminal that he deserved to loose his life??

      Zimmerman was judged by a jury of his peers. The out come is what it is. The jury made their decision based on the evidence that was presented. But as a society if we had more tolerance, listened to each other and viewed each other with an open mind maybe we could stop the unnecessary violence and killing. But until we do this will continue and this may be your or my child next time. Then what would your opinion be?

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      Eli Moore 4 years ago

      "That fact is if there wasn’t racial profiling in this case on behalf of Mr. Zimmerman a young man would not be dead tonight."

      RhondaHumphreys1, THIS IS COMPLETELY UNFOUNDED. THERE IS NOT A SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE THAT ZIMMERMAN RACIALLY PROFILED MARTIN. THERE IS, HOWEVER, WITNESS TESTIMONY THAT MARTIN CALLED ZIMMERMAN A "CREEPY ASS CRACKA" BEFORE ZIMMERMAN EVER EVEN LEFT HIS VEHICLE (see Rachel Jeantel's testimony).

      "Even if you do not believe that this was a racial incident there still was profiling."

      As far as profiling, in general, everything Zimmerman assumed turned out to be TRUE. "He might be on drugs or something," said Zimmerman to the operator. TRUE. He had PCP in his system. This came out in court. "He looks suspicious." TRUE. He was lurking around a house that was broken into literally just a couple weeks before or something. Zimmerman may have been presumptuous, but everything he said out loud to the operator was true. People testified to the court that the houses around were broken into (by young ... males) and Trayvon was lurking around those houses.

      Hey, can I tell you something?

      In a town near mine, young white teenagers frequently break into this abandoned mental hospital. One night I was out with my girlfriend and I stopped in a public park near it. Two police officers ambushed me and interrogated me because they thought I was planning to break in. IDK who called the police on me, but frankly it was no big deal. It was completely understandable. Young white teenagers frequently broke into that abandoned mental hospital. I wasn't going to do that. I explained it. End of story.

      Hey, can I tell you something else.

      I have been to some really bad areas, places like Newark and other really sketchy areas. When I was 18, I was walking through one of these places to get pizza at nighttime when an older black man taunted me from some stairs. I didn't even look at him. I wanted nothing to do with whatever he wanted (drugs, robbery, who knows). I felt no need to attack him. Obviously it would have been illegal. And dangerous.

      Hey, can I tell you something else?

      I was in another one of these areas buying a train ticket one time when ... guess ... two older black men approached me, stood over my shoulder, and made odd gestures behind my back. The hair on the back of my neck stood up and I really felt like they were about to jump me. What did I do? Punch them? No. That would have been illegal, and very dangerous. College students around this area frequently get robbed and assaulted, and even shot. What did I do? I walked away quickly and bought a train ticket somewhere else.

      Guess what?

      It is a fact in this case that Trayvon Martin had AT LEAST 4 minutes from the time he ran away to the time the fight started to do whatever he wanted.

      His house was a football's throw away.

      Rachel Jeantel testified that Martin even made it back to his house MINUTES BEFORE he went and got into the confrontation.

      So, how did he end up back at "The T"?

      Zimmerman told the 911 operator "I lost him." Martin's house was a football's throw away. He even apparently made it there.

      Why did he come back?

      He was out of the sight of Zimmerman. He was out of the reach of Zimmerman. Why did he come back?

      What did he do for 4 minutes?

      This is what Mark O'Mara asked the jury in his closing argument.

      This is why Zimmerman was acquitted of all charges including manslaughter.