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Racism In America: The Movie "The Help", "12 Years a Slave", and now "The Green Book": Discrimination in America

Updated on February 7, 2019
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Thoughts about "12 Years a Slave" and "The Green Book" are added below the main article.

"THE HELP" Makes You Reflect

I JUST FINISHED WATCHING THE NEW MOVIE "THE HELP", (which was 2 1/2 years ago now that I just got back from see 12 Years a Slave, see below) starring Bryce Dallas Howard and Viola Davis in a 1942 Productions and Dreamworks project based on a novel by the same name written by Katheryn Stockett. For those few who may not be aware, it is about the real life black maids and nannies set in racist Jackson, MS around the period 1960 to 1964; just before the beginning of the civil rights movement. The plot has the daughter of one well-off family gets back from college intent on becoming a journalist. Seeing the plight of the black servants; having been raised by one who, mysteriously is no longer there, being very sympathetic to their dire plight she decides to write about their life as servants; from their perspectives; using their words. This is not an easy chore given the maids reticence to talk for fear of losing their jobs.

As it turns out, in Mississippi at that time, it was illegal for the heroine to attempt to write such a book; that was reality then folks, not storyline! In any case, events happen, such as a servant being fired for using the bathroom inside the master's house (this is 1960, mind you), instead of using ones undies if you couldn't make it to the toilet provided outside the house, in this wonderfully told and presented story (which all should go see by the way) that lead these black women to open up to our heroine. All of these scenes I just alluded to are in the trailers, so I didn't give anything away, lol.

By the time the movie was over, I was thoroughly entertained, very happy I came to see "The Help", and thinking about this Hub; it had me in a very reflective mood about racism in America, what our history has been regarding this pus-filled abscess in our heritage, where we stand now in healing it, and whether it can ever be contained. I am not naïve enough to believe it can be eliminated, humans simply aren't built not to be racist when the cancer of racism is left alone to fester.

WHITES-ONLY DRINKING FOUNTAIN and HANG 'EM HIGH

June 5,, 2014 - Discrimination is Alive And Well in the USA

THIS JUST HIT THE WIRES YESTERDAY, another example to disprove the notion that many Americans, generally of one political persuasion, claim that racism and discrimination doesn't exist anymore in America. This idea is used to argue that minorities, especially Blacks, don't need the protections of the 1964 Civil Rights and the 1965 Voting Rights Acts, both of which have been under assault. Unfortunately, since President Reagan established the Rehnquist Supreme Court and gaining strength with the Roberts Court, those trying to roll back these Acts have found a friendly ear, the same kind of sympathetic ear their kindred spirits found in the 1880s as the laws implementing the 13th through 15th Amendments were vacated; which led to the necessity of the 1964 and 1965 laws to reinstate them.

What you hear on this YouTube video is typical of what I hear all around me here in rural Florida.

SLAVERY, WHETHER BY WHIPS AND CHAINS OR BY SUBTLE DISCRIMINATION ALLOWED BY A NEGLECTFUL PEOPLE ARE BOTH EQUALLY WRONG

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12 DAYS A SLAVE

WHERE THE HELP WAS SET IN THE EARLY 1950s, 12 Years a Slave began with a kidnapping of a free black man in Washington D.C. in 1841 (just short 173 years ago) and sold into slavery in Louisiana. What is ironic, in terms of how they were treated by Southern whites, the black help in the 1950s weren't treated much better than black maids in the households of "good" master's in the 1800s; of course the "bad" masters were another story altogether and in a league of their own.

The storyline of this heartrending movie is based on the memoirs of Solomon Northup, played by Chiwetel Ejiofor, a free black in upstate New York. The movie won an Oscar for Best Picture, Lupita Nyong'o won Best Supporting Actress, and John Ridley for Best Adapted Screenplay. Unusual for movies of this type is they stayed very close to historical facts, using actual names, like Edwin Epps, the brutal plantation owner who owned Northup for 10 years, and places.

The story itself was a horrific tale from a very long slice of American history which still lives with us today, just not in such a violent form. It brings once again to the bright light of day the horrors of a recent past that we as a People of closed our eyes and minds and kidding themselves by saying "that was then, this is now". Well, I am here to tell you, looking around my vantage point from the rural South, the whips may be gone and chains long removed, but the "attitude" of Edwin Epps is still here. Because it is no longer legal to assert white supremacy openly, it has just moved underground and found more subtle outlets and use the false argument of "individual rights" to justify old time discrimination.

I won't describe the scenes for you, they are not nice and I don't want to destroy their impact. I do encourage you to take your teenagers who play those violent video games, this is less violent than those, but there is brief nudity, but with a point ... degrading another human being; they need to understand what lies just below the surface of American history and remind them this is not the road we want to go down again.

However, I will leave this section with the following quote from Solomon's memoirs:

My narrative is at an end. I have no comments to make upon the subject of Slavery. Those who read this book may form their own opinions of the "peculiar institution." What it may be in other States, I do not profess to know; what it is in the region of Red River, is truly and faithfully delineated in these pages. This is no fiction, no exaggeration. If I have failed in anything, it has been in presenting to the reader too prominently the bright side of the picture. I doubt not hundreds have been as unfortunate as myself; that hundreds of free citizens have been kidnapped and sold into slavery, and are at this moment wearing out their lives on plantations in Texas and Louisiana. But I forbear. Chastened and subdued in spirit by the sufferings I have borne, and thankful to that good Being through whose mercy I have been restored to happiness and liberty, I hope henceforward to lead an upright though lowly life, and rest at last in the church yard where my father sleeps.

—Solomon Northup[9]

Racism is a Core Value of all Humans - Can You Control It?

JUST BY SIMPLE observation, you can see throughout history numerous examples that lead enevitably to the conclusion that racism is core to the make-up of all humans, to one degree or another. Before going on, I need to define racism, for me Wikipedia does just fine:

Racism is the belief that there are inherent differences in people's traits and capacities that are entirely due to their race, however defined, and that, as a consequence, racial discrimination (i.e. different treatment of those people, both socially and legally) is justified.

I defy anyone to find any sustained period of history among any culture where racism at some point in time didn't finally exhibit its ugly head; I just don't think it can be done; I have looked at a lot of history over my years and it is ubequitous. On the other hand, I can also find many, many periods thoughout history, in many, many cultures at different and sometimes cyclical times where coexisting races got along famously; for a while. But, in time, it didn't last.

Nevertheless, what that tells me is that racism can be contained, IF YOU TRY; it can be done but, you have to work at it. If you don't work at it hard and continuously, you will fail and nature will take its course; the latent racism that is in all of us will rise up and consume us once again.

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NOT JUST IN AMERICA
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"Green Book"

I am ashamed to say I had no idea what the "Green Book" meant. Until I saw the movie, I thought it was something about a musicians song book (you'll see why in a second). Instead, the Green Book was a real book, originally titled The Negro Motorist Green-Book. The purpose of the Green Book, you see, was to provide a guide for blacks to navigate the South safely by pointing out where they were welcome to eat and sleep and where they would be rejected by whites.

The Green Book's, the movie, plot is simple (and the acting and message were superb): A renowned black musical genius wanted to tour the South and bring culture and entertainment. He also wanted to break the stereotype about blacks. The movie is a true story about classical and jazz pianist Don Shirley, played by Mahershala Ali, and his unlikely driver/bodyguard Tony Vallelonga played by Viggo Mortensen, an Italian-American bouncer.


A Stark Symbol of Racism in America (It would probably be useful today)

THE 1963 - 1964 EDITION
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The story is set just prior to the passing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 as blacks were fighting for their civil rights. Dr. Don Shirley, a black musical prodigy, schooled in classical and jazz piano. He wanted to bring his music to white audiences in the deep South to make a point.

He understood the dangers of a black man travelling in the South and wanted to hire a white chauffeur and bodyguard and ended up hiring a bouncer from a temporarily closed Copacabana nightclub, Tony (Tony Lip) Vallelonga. The two men could not be more opposite; Shirley - refined, morally and ethically strict, understated, and talented beyond belief; Tony - loud, earthy, streetwise, and somewhat bigoted.

The story develops a growing friendship, trust, and respect for the other while overcoming the racism endemic to the deep South. The scenes underscore how insignificant the Southern whites, who hire him to entertain family and friends, thinks blacks are, even for ones of huge talent and stature as Dr. Shirley. His tour ends with Shirley, at the urging of Tony, to swallow his high ethical and cancelling a performance after being snubbed by person hiring him. Upon arriving at the venue, which includes an elegant restaurant he was shown his "dressing room" - a closet. He was hungry and wanted to have dinner with his white companions at this "whites only" restaurant - he was denied. Previously, when confronted with such insults, he would fulfill his contractual obligations and play anyway. This time he didn't.

When, after much argument, it became clear he wasn't going to allowed to eat there, he and Tony took off to a black restaurant that was suggested. There, instead of playing a magnificent theater, he gave his performance on a small stage in this honky-tonk to an all black audience (save for Tony). He also, again at Tony's suggestion, played his first classical piece of the tour (he told Tony he thought his Southern white audience would appreciate classical music).

The movie ran the gamut racial issues as Dr. Don and Tony traveled from venue to venue. There was outright violent racism as Shirley got beat up at a bar he shouldn't have wandered into (he was an alcoholic it seems). Then there was when he had to travel back to his motel to go to the bathroom, because he refused to use the mansion's outhouse that it's black servants were forced to use in 1963.

It is a movie that deserved the Oscar (although my favorite was the Bohemian Rhapsody about Queen and Freddie Mercury.)

Racism and Bigotry in America

AMERICA HAS BEEN A VIOLENTLY RACIST COUNTRY for most of its existence, some 345 of the last 395 years since white man and black man shared the same soil on the East coast (the first slaves arrived in Virginia in 1619, a year earlier than when the Pilgrims landed at Plymouth, MA); that is a very long time, y'all. Then, from 1619, until 1964, the non-progressive conservative side of America, abetted by classical liberals who, while not actually supporting the enslavement of another human nevertheless doesn't believe the federal government should interceded to prevent it, has fought to keep the Black American an oppressed people. The oppression is either in absolute servitude through the mechanism of legal slavery or, after losing the Civil War they forced America in to over the question, effective servitude such as that depicted in "The Help", through such legal subterfuge as "Jim Crow" and "Separate but Equal." laws passed by a conservative-leaning Supreme Courts.

I draw the line at 1964, because that was the year in which the Civil Rights Act was passed by a Progressive Congress. With it came, what are today such dirty words as, "Equal Opportunity", "anti-discrimination", "fair housing", "affirmative action", and the like. Before continuing though, I want to expand my scope a bit to include the "father" of racism ... Bigotry. Racism is, after all, just Bigotry applied to race. Trusty 'ole Wikipedia defines a Bigot as:

"a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs. The predominant usage in modern English refers to persons hostile to those of differing sex, race, ethnicity, religion or spirituality, nationality, language, inter-regional prejudice, gender and sexual orientation, homelessness, various medical disorders particularly behavioral disorders and addictive disorders. Forms of bigotry may have a related ideology or world views."

When one speaks of racism in America, one must speak of bigotry in America, which is a much larger issue but speaks of the same problem with the landing the Puritans at what today is today, Plymouth, MA.

So, back to 1964. The Civil Rights Act was the first major act by the federal government since the Emancipation Proclamation and,beginning in 1865, the ensuing XIII, XIV, and XV Amendments to the Constitution designed to harness the rampant,, endemic, race-based bigotry in America. There was a plethora of programs put in place to do several things 1) try to correct the institutional and cultural imbalances created by three centuries of purposeful, concerted individual and governmental active and coordinated policies designed to dehumanize and subjugate a race, 2) try to undo the impacts of individual, corporate, and state governmental discrimination, as depicted in "The Help" and in defiance of the U.S. Constitution, in order to maintain the status quo without slavery, 3) try to level the playing field and keep it level from here on out, and 4) try to prevent discrimination in the future. In the following 47 years, the religious and secular conservatives in America have, in a largely successful effort, attempted to roll back each and every one of these initiatives on, of all things, Constitutional grounds.

I'm Not Picking On Conservatives, Really!

REALLY, I AM NOT! I am not trying to be mean, either. Or, unfair. Let me digress a moment in order do some consolidation. A few times now, I have made reference to religious and secular conservatives. For the purpose of this of this hub, they can be considered one in the same. When I speak of religious conservatives, I include all religious fundamentalist from each of the "Great" religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Also, although in America it is rare, when I speak of secular Conservatives, I don't just mean the political right, but would also include the politically very far left, Communists, as it were. Generally speaking though, I am talking about the Social Conservatives that control the Republican Party today.

As I have already made note of, America started out as a violent and lethally bigoted society; in 1619 we began importing and abusing Africans as slaves; the Protestant Puritans ostrasized and punished Catholics and hung, in 1692, 14 women and 5 men because they weren't good Christians. These God-fearing Protestant, pre-Americans also crushed one man to death beneath heavy stones attempting to get him to confess to his sins; these famous atrocities, the Salem Witch Trials, were not isolated, just the only one that made its way down the annals of history. This bigoted conduct, although dimished, continues to this day in the good Christian people of Rutherford County, TN in 2011, are carring on the good fight using the courts, protests, and yes, some terrorism of their own.trying to stop the construction of a mosque for the people from that "non-religion" (that is what they tried to prove, unsuccessfully, in court) Islam, to pray in; their sole reason ... the same as for the Puritans 409 years earlier, wrong religion, or in this case, non-religion; in other words, pure bigotry.

If you are a careful observer, it will occur to you that the political and philosophical of all of those I just described would clearly not be described as "moderate" or, heaven forbid, "liberal"; either from a secular point of view or a religious one. The one thing in common is the social conservatism, again whether it be secular or religious, behind the philosophy that drives these behaviors that have been such an embarrasing part of American history.

WHAT DOES HISTORY REALLY TELL US?

IT IS QUITE revealing, actually, and "The Help" got me thinking about it; it just so happens I wrote of this in another hub regarding President Obama's accomplishments so I thought I would add it here; it is very hard to refute.

Be they Democrats, Whigs, anti-Federalists, Republicans, or Republican-Democrats, all large political parties at one time or another in the history of American politics, social conservatives have been consistent, very consistent in their philosophies regarding social, economic, political, and government issues. What has that record been by social conservatives, evangelical and fundelmentalist Christians? To name just a very few, they fought tooth and nail, often violently, over the years against

  1. making slavery illegal
  2. allowing blacks and whites marry
  3. social security
  4. Medicare
  5. the Civil Rights Act of 1964
  6. homosexuals fighting for America
  7. allowing homosexuals who love each other to marry each other (stll being fought out)

"The Help" brought all of this sadly to mind again and, frankly, made me angry which is why I am wrote this hub for I hope it makes you angry as well.

HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT RACISM IN AMERICA TODAY?

Since the time period depicted in "The Help", do you feel racism in America as generally gotten -

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Lot Better - 7

Somewhat Better - 8

Little Better - 13

No Change - 4

Little Worse - 0

Somewhat Worse - 1

Lot Worse - 2

Unsure - 1


UNDERSTANDING THE RESULTS

WITH SUCH A LOW RESPONSE RATE, 33 SO FAR (I need 40, please), which surprises me given the number of views this hub has had, 6166, for a participation rate of 0.5% which is an extremely low rate, even for my surveys. Any ideas as to why readers are so hesitant to express anonymous views on this subject?

In any case, it makes it very hard to discern much from the above survey and the Demographic surveys below; but, I will take a generalized stab at it although I would like have about 40 results of this survey as a minimum. GIVEN, the question asks for a comparison between the 1950s and today, it would seem sensible to me to take responses of "Not Changed At All" and "Gotten a Little Better" as Negative responses. Even "Gotten Somewhat Better" would be a neutral response if one assumes race relations in the 1950s were only "somewhat better" than they were just after emancipation. If you buy into this assumption then only 30% of respondents believe there has been significant improvement since the 1950s while 47% disagree ... and that is very sad, very sad indeed.

Add in the results from Demographic Survey #2 below and I can make an initial educated guess. I can do this if I make one crucial assumption ... that Whites are more optimistic than Blacks about the improvement in conditions for Blacks in America. (Since the other groups are so small at the moment, I only have to worry about Whites and Blacks.)

This isn't a WAG (wild-assed guess) but one based on observation of comments among my White relatives and peers and Black friends and peers. There is a bright divide in perceptions, it would seem. Based on the above assumption then, to derive meaning from the survey results is like putting a puzzle together using the assumption to constrain how the numbers fit together, just like the shapes of puzzle pieces constrain how they fit together.

Therefore, based on my assumption and the 20 responses to my ethnicity survey (which I scaled to 23 to match the number of main survey responses), the table below displays my initial estimate of who believes what regarding the status how things have or have not improved vis à vis racism in America. Keep in mind, with only 20 responses the margin of error is huge.

DEMOGRAPHIC SURVEY #2

Are you of -

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N = 25: African American - 5; Asian - 2; Caucasian - 10; Middle Eastern - 2, Other - 6

[Demographic Surveys 1 (political leanings) and 3 (gender) are at the bottom of the Hub.]

RECENT PERSONAL OBSERVATION

THIS SECTION MAY GET ME INTO a lot of trouble if my family reads it but what I have to say is nevertheless what I see and it needs reporting for it bears directly on the on-going problem with racism in America. My wife and step-kids will tell you they are not bigoted toward blacks, and I am sure they absolutely believe that to be true. But, when you listen to their rhetoric and the defense of various statements they make, you get the distinct feeling their belief in not being bigoted is misplaced.

With some exceptions, they believe that blacks, in general, are now bringing their own problems on their own heads, they just don't "try hard enough", "they have a real bad attitude toward life", " all they want is a hand-out" is what I hear. Unfortunately, I am now starting to hear a little of that from my step-grandson.

At one time, he thought his mother was going to give him a Hispanic sister, he really, really wanted a sister, and didn't care what ethnicity it was at the time, until he saw his brother for the first time. Then the sister idea wasn't such a good one any more. Anyway, the point is the thought of a Hispanic sister didn't upset him in the slightest then, I think this was Kindergarten. He met his brother the next year.

In between that time, I heard my first indication of an "attitude" against other races. I don't remember what it was. And in the ensuing three years, I have heard a few more, not very many for sure, but enough to catch my attention. To the credit of his mom and Grammie, they corrected him immediately and I was happy for that. But so often in other families, this behavior is not correct, in fact it is encouraged and a new generation of bigots is born.

I don't know if hatred of others of a different skin color is visceral, in other words in-bred, part of a persons make-up or not. But, I do know that if it is, it can be controlled. Personally, I get a very physical negative reaction when I see two men kissing. It is so bad, it is even hard for me to even type the words; I get this gut-wrenching feeling doing it. Nevertheless, I know intellectually what it is, and know it will pass, I know this is my problem and not that of those two men.

For me, this reaction is keep me heterosexual, I was simply wired this way. I am also very aware that those men were wired differently such that they are not repulsed by homosexual attraction, in fact just the opposite. So long as they don't try to force their lifestyle on me, I have no right to make a judgement of any kind about them. Why is it that heterosexuals find a compelling need to make the immoral and, therefore, unGodly choice to force our lifestyle on them?

I would put forth the same argument regarding Blacks or Hispanics or Jews or Catholics or any other minority in this country. Why is it the majority finds itself compelled to make the rest of us like them?

AN ESTIMATE OF WHO THINKS ATTITUDES ABOUT RACE IN AMERICA HAVE OR HAVE NOT IMPROVED OVER TIME.

ETHNIC GROUP
A LOT BETTER
SOME BETTER
A LITTLE BETTER
ABOUT THE SAME
A LITTLE WORSE
SOME WORSE
A LOT WORSE
WHITE
5
2
3
0
0
0
0
BLACK
0
0
1
1
0
1
2
ASIAN
0
1
0
0
0
0
0
OTHER
2
2
3
0
0
0
0
NOTE: The entries into this Table are estimates. They are, however, not "guestimates" but are based on a very limited number of combinations that solve the restraints from the above Poll and Demographic Poll #2 along with some common sense regarding

THOMAS JEFFERSON

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THOMAS JEFFERSON, A VERY PARADOXICAL PERSON

I JUST ADDED THIS SECTION FROM a biography by Alf J. Mapp Jr., Thomas Jefferson, America''s Paradoxical Patriot. I include it to offer a quote from the book by Jefferson regarding slavery and slaves. Socially, Thomas Jefferson as a progressive beyond his times, in spite of the fact that he was a slave owner. He fought hard for the eventual emancipation of all slaves and for the prohibition of importation of slaves into Virginia. On the other hand, he apparently did not believe blacks were the intellectual equals of caucasians (a believe that did not carry over to Native Americans, however) and he did not believe in the mixing of the two races; after emancipation, Jefferson had a plan for the humane transport and settlement to a new country.

Nevertheless, I thought it important to share his thoughts on the matter with the reader, especially those regarding how bigotry is passed down father to son. In his "Notes on the State of Virginia" Jefferson states the following:

The whole commerce between master and slave is a perpetual exercise of the most boisterous passions, the most unremitting despotism on the one part, and degrading submission on the other. Our children see this, and learn to imitate it, for man is an imitative animal. This quality is the germ of all education in him. From his cradle to his grave he is learning to do what he sees others do. If a parent could find no motive either in his philanthropy or his sel-love, for restraining intemperance of passion towards his slave, it should always be a sufficient one that his child is present. But generally it is not sufficient. The parent storms, the child looks on, catches the lineaments of wrath, puts on the same airs in the circles of smaller slaves, fives a loose to his worst passions, and thus nursed, educated and daily exercised in tyranny, cannot but be stamped by it with odious peculiarities.

The man mus be a prodigy who can retain his manners and morals undepraved by such circumstances. And with what execration should the statesman be loaded, who permitting one half the citizens thus to trample on the rights of the other, transforms those into despots, and these into enemies, destroys the morals of the one part, and the amor patriae of the other. For if a slave can have a country in this world, it must be any other in preference to that in which he is born to live and labor for another; in which he must lock up the faculties of his nature, contribute as far as depends on his individual endeavors to the evanishment of the human race, or entail his own miserable condition on the endless generations proceeding from him. [here, Jefferson's perception regarding how slaves felt about America itself, ended up being wrong]t

With the morals of the people, their industry also is destroyed. For in a warm climate, no man will labor for himself who can make another labor for him. THis is so true, that of the proprietors of slaves a very small proportion indeed are ever seen to labor. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that is justice cannot sleep for ever: that considering numbers, nature and natural means only a revolution of the wheel fortune, an exchange of situation, is among possible events: that t may become probable by supernatural interference! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in such a contest.

But it is impossible to be temperate and to pursue this subject through the various considerations of policy, of morals, of history natural and civil. We must be contented to hope they sill force their way into every one's mind. I think a change is already perceptible, since the origin of the present revolution. The spirit of the master is abating, that of th e slave rising from the dust, his condition mollifying, the way I hope preparing, under the auspices of heaven, for a total emancipation, and that this is disposed, in the order of events, to be with the consent of the masters, rather than by their extirpation. (T. Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia)

What caught my attention when first reading this passage was Jefferson's initial observation of how racial hatred is passed from father to son and mother to daughter over time. It is as true today as it was when Jefferson observed it and then put words to the idea. All one has to do is live in rural America to see living proof of this insidious mechanism brought on largely by intolerance combined with ignorance set in a backdrop of fear. Take away any one of those three components, and the incidents of racism decrease. Take away intolerance and fear, racism barely exists. The proof in the pudding of this is how well young children of all races get along until such time as adults finally teach them to fear, distrust, then hatre those who are different from them.

In later quotes, Mapp shows, through other quotes from the Notes that Jefferson believes that after emancipation, Blacks should be moved to their own country. One of many reasons Jefferson offers is his initial belief that Blacks are, on the whole, mentally inferior to Whiles and goes on to prove it. He was not alone in this belief at the time, probably 99% of other Whites and many Blacks went along with this idiocy. But, to his credit, Jefferson did allow that his study into this area had just begun and his conclusions could be very wrong, which. as we all know, they are.

Another reason that you can see in the quote above is he didn't believe Blacks would want to live in America, a place that made their lives so miserable. That would be a natural conclusion, but as it turned out, very wrong as well. As one could glimpse in their willing participation in American Revolution and Civil War, Blacks, as a group, loved America, they wanted become a part of it, just a free part of it, to live their lives according to its Principles laid out in the Declaration Jefferson helped write. Even the last legal building block was put into place in 1964, long, long after Jefferson thought it might happen, judging from his last paragraph, Blacks, as a group, are still awaiting full emancipation into American society, at least to the level they are in English society today.

BEING BLACK IN WHITE AMERICA IN THE MID-1800s; JUST A MERE 150 YEARS AGO

WHO SAID WHITES DIDN'T GIVE BLACKS ANYTHING; ACCOUTREMENTS USED TO SHACKLE BLACKS DURING TRANSPORT TO MARKET.
WHO SAID WHITES DIDN'T GIVE BLACKS ANYTHING; ACCOUTREMENTS USED TO SHACKLE BLACKS DURING TRANSPORT TO MARKET. | Source
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THIS KIND OF ABUSE STOPPED AFTER THE CIVIL WAR (the hangings continued through the 1950s, however), although much of the South was plenty upset they lost control of their human property. Nevertheless, within 20 years, with the help of the Conservative Supreme Court, the oppression of Blacks in the South resumed in all respects except for legal slavery. Instead, other legal means were found to accomplish the same thing. As I have said earlier, it wasn't until 1964 and 1965 were the final laws put in place to make illegal the tactics used by Conservatives to suppress Black Americans.

Starting with the Rehnquist, and now with the Robert's Supreme Court, those laws are slowly being reversed.

DEMOGRAPHIC SURVEY #1

Do you consider yourself more closely aligned with -

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DEMOGRAPHIC SURVEY #3

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    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      Brad Masters 

      5 weeks ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Scott

      Really, this is typical Diversion, Distraction, AVOIDANCE, Red Herrings. This may work on your democrats, liberals, and Anti Trump because they don't analyze they just follow.

      B: Scott, you keep deviating, cherry picking, and opining I am wrong but you don't support it. You are too attached to labeling, and the southern democrats were the one keeping blacks as slaves, starting the Civil War, and mistreating them for 100 years after that, and they didn't stop because of the Civil Rights in 1964 did they.

    • My Esoteric profile imageAUTHOR

      Scott Belford 

      5 weeks ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Nothing substantive here.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      Brad Masters 

      5 weeks ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Scott

      "What claim? What was challenged?" - I'm not repeating things so you will need to go back and read what I wrote - it is clear as a bell.

      B:

      We have written a lot of words and statements, your statement about a claim is vague and ambiguous.

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      "I don't know how to ask "Why can't you use a term that doesn't change definitions." any better, so think about it."

      B:

      Again, you have no context leaving this statement vague and ambiguous.

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      What do you mean "What?" I was very clear.

      B:

      That is why, I always copy your statement so there is no ambiguity.

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      "The problem with your article is that you keep racism alive using history that is no longer relevant today." - YOU got to be kidding me!! Conservative Racists are keeping racism alive

      B:

      See now your statement is clear, and not vague or ambiguous. What conservative racists, it is the democrats, their voters and supporters that bring race into everything. For example as I stated before, any time any one criticized president Obama it was always construed to be racist. I could care less about any aspects of the person that is president, it is what they do that is up for accolades or criticism. And anti Trumpers that call president Trump Orange, and flat out say he is an Orangutan are racists. Yes, it doesn't count when personally attacking a white person, but the democrats and anti Trumpers want racism to be a diode that doesn't travel back to them.

      Black Lives matter is also racist, and I submit that this continual utterances of racism is itself racist. The anti Trumpers turn anything that president Trump does into his act of racism. The prime example there is the "Temporary" ban on Muslims coming from 6 Muslim controlled countries is not racist. These countries are filled with terrorist, who had boasted they would infiltrate the asylum seekers. First it is temporary, 90 days, and second there are between 49 and 51 Muslim-majority countries in the world, according to estimates from 2010. The fluctuation is a result of the changing demographics in countries where Muslims comprise around 50 percent of the population. If this was a racist act president Trump would have made it to all of these countries, and he would have made the ban less temporary. It is clear to everyone other than the left, that president Trump wanted this time to properly vet this immigrants, and that is the job of any president.

      -----------------

      And you know very well, as do the other readers, I am not cherry picking anything - that is another FALSE charge of yours in order to deflect.

      B: Once again I will copy the non cherries that you didn't respond to. Where are all these readers, you and I are the only ones commenting?

      ---------------------- Non Cherry Unanswered Comments--------------------------------

      Cherry Picking Again

      What about

      B: Scott, you keep deviating, cherry picking, and opining I am wrong but you don't support it. You are too attached to labeling, and the southern democrats were the one keeping blacks as slaves, starting the Civil War, and mistreating them for 100 years after that, and they didn't stop because of the Civil Rights in 1964 did they. I once again mention that in this century the democrats took a different tack about the blacks because they were losing their votes. It escalated when Obama took office, and everything became a race issue. You couldn't criticize president Obama because he was "black", so when people criticized him it automatically became a race issue.

      As I also said, the blacks were kept in welfare as a handout, and no one gave them a helping hand. That is the same as being a slave, you are bound to your master or captor in this case the threat of no more handouts.

      -------------------------------

      "And the rest of your claim is factually incorrect. Their slave masters of old are conservatives. Their protectors of today (and the past) are liberals. That is not even open up to debate, unless you want to argue that the sun isn't some variation of yellow."

      B: There you go with labels. You are saying that the politicians that caused riots in 1964 were conservatives? We don't have a liberal or a conservative party, we have either democrat or republican. And it was and is the democrat party that gave them handouts that kept them beholding to their master the democrat party.

      -----------------------------------------------

      When you claim ""Once again you missed the point, because the Civil Rights Amendments was created because of the Southern Democrats no matter how you label them." you are as wrong as you can be. Virtually every Southern Democrat voted Against the CRA. It was the Northern liberals (Republican and Democrat) who got that passed with a lot of arm-twisting by a now liberal LBJ.

      B: I don't think so. The north passed these amendments to make sure that the sure didn't become vengeful against the freed slaves.

      -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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      Scott Belford 

      5 weeks ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      "What claim? What was challenged?" - I'm not repeating things so you will need to go back and read what I wrote - it is clear as a bell.

      I don't know how to ask "Why can't you use a term that doesn't change definitions." any better, so think about it.

      What do you mean "What?" I was very clear.

      "The problem with your article is that you keep racism alive using history that is no longer relevant today." - YOU got to be kidding me!! Conservative Racists are keeping racism alive

      And you know very well, as do the other readers, I am not cherry picking anything - that is another FALSE charge of yours in order to deflect.

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      Brad Masters 

      5 weeks ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Scott

      "You made the original claim - You need to provide evidence for it when challenged."

      B: What claim? What was challenged?

      "Aren't you stuck on using labels by insisting on using the label Southern Democrat rather than the philosophically correct and UNCHANGING label of Conservative? Conservatism and Liberalism are a relative constant throughout time yet you choose to pick a label that changes its philosophy every few decades. That makes no sense. Why can't you use a term that doesn't change definitions."

      B: I don't understand the question.

      "ALSO, if you read political history on parties, rather than your own bias, you will find "I once again mention that in this century the democrats took a different tack about the blacks because they were losing their votes." IS totally wrong. The "because" is that conservatives fled Democratic party to the GOP once the liberals gained the upper-hand."

      B: What?

      AS YOU recall, the same thing happened in the 1860s when the liberal National Union Party was created to allow the liberals in the Democratic party to vote for the liberal Lincoln. Once elected, they changed the party name to the liberal Republican Party"

      B: The problem with your article is that you keep racism alive using history that is no longer relevant today.

      Cherry Picking Again

      What about

      B: Scott, you keep deviating, cherry picking, and opining I am wrong but you don't support it. You are too attached to labeling, and the southern democrats were the one keeping blacks as slaves, starting the Civil War, and mistreating them for 100 years after that, and they didn't stop because of the Civil Rights in 1964 did they. I once again mention that in this century the democrats took a different tack about the blacks because they were losing their votes. It escalated when Obama took office, and everything became a race issue. You couldn't criticize president Obama because he was "black", so when people criticized him it automatically became a race issue.

      As I also said, the blacks were kept in welfare as a handout, and no one gave them a helping hand. That is the same as being a slave, you are bound to your master or captor in this case the threat of no more handouts.

      -------------------------------

      "And the rest of your claim is factually incorrect. Their slave masters of old are conservatives. Their protectors of today (and the past) are liberals. That is not even open up to debate, unless you want to argue that the sun isn't some variation of yellow."

      B: There you go with labels. You are saying that the politicians that caused riots in 1964 were conservatives? We don't have a liberal or a conservative party, we have either democrat or republican. And it was and is the democrat party that gave them handouts that kept them beholding to their master the democrat party.

      -----------------------------------------------

      When you claim ""Once again you missed the point, because the Civil Rights Amendments was created because of the Southern Democrats no matter how you label them." you are as wrong as you can be. Virtually every Southern Democrat voted Against the CRA. It was the Northern liberals (Republican and Democrat) who got that passed with a lot of arm-twisting by a now liberal LBJ.

      B: I don't think so. The north passed these amendments to make sure that the sure didn't become vengeful against the freed slaves.

      ------------------------------------------

      Another false statement "The democrats may have changed their approach but that doesn't mean they have changed. As I mentioned when the blacks became a voting source, the democrats changed step to capture them." - that is simply NOT true. Conservative democrats effectively took away most of their voting rights again until liberal Democrats (former Lincoln Republicans) got it back for them

      B: Until 1920 women including black women were not allowed to vote.

      "You are right, I cannot deny that I am a very strong anti-Trump person; and for the same reasons I won't deny I am a strong Putin/Un/Hussain/Hitler/Stalin person."

      B: And why are you a very strong anti Trump person? I have no idea what you mean about Putin? We don't have any of these people. You were OK when Hillary and president Obama didn't stop Putin from getting control of our Uranium. If you want to deny that, then provide some real proof. Putin wasn't the enemy then, and Putin and Russia weren't the enemy when Hillary Clinton got her Russian Dossier to attack Trump. They call it the Russian Dossier because the information came from Russia. That is more of a connection to Russia by Hillary and DNC than anything about Trump.

      "It is my nature to care about people no matter what demographic they belong to; which is why I am a social liberal.

      B: What allegiance to America or Americans? How have you or the democrats helped them?

      " On the other hand, my allegiance is to America. Set aside the small criminal element of illegals, the remainder are an economic benefit to America and our laws should be changed to make use of that. They are more law abiding, harder working, more motivated to succeed and a host of other things than native born Americans. That is just a fact.""

      B: Small criminal element, the jails and prisons in the US are loaded with them, and they are Convicted Felons, and a felony is a major crime. Yet, you and the democrats setup sanctuary cities to keep them from being deported. How does that help the Americans that live and work near them? What kind of justification is there to protect convicted felons?

      The only people benefiting from the illegal aliens are businesses that get cheap labor, and much of the illegal alien money goes back to Mexico. Santa Ana CA go to the post office on mondays and see the money go south. There is nothing cheap, about it and estimates range from $20 billion to a $100 billion to pay for these 20 million illegal aliens. There are direct costs like Free education, Free medical, and they do get welfare regardless of the law. They drive without insurance and that costs insured drivers higher premiums. It is very expensive to man the prisons that are being over crowed to the point where judges force the early release of thousands of prisoners.

      There is a lot a gangs coming into the US and I have written five articles on it with verified information from the government. But, you probably don't think that gangs like MS 13 are a problem. In CA the Hispanic population is equal to that of the white population. The difference is that they contain illegals, and they have a higher number of children that we the taxpayers pay.

      $20 billion dollars of illegal drugs come into the country through the open border every year, along with contraband, child trafficking. Add up the costs of stopping illegals, capturing illegals, courts to process the illegals, the police to handle the criminal illegals, the damage both financially and in lives is very costly. And you the person that cares about everyone doesn't think that it is wrong to let someone just walk across the border and get taken care of, while thousand of people from all over the world go through the legal, expensive and time consuming process can't get in. This is true is you come from Canada. Yet, you give these illegals a free pass. You didn't comment when I mentioned how these illegals demonstrate in Los Angeles flying their flag while burning our flag. These are the people you choose to favor.

      You think that democrats resisting the president and the republicans is the American Way, when I always thought the American Way was to vote for the change, not disrupt the country because you person didn't win the election. These are the democrats that you support while disrespecting the office of the president. If you didn't like your commanding officer in the service and did this

      Article 90: Assaulting or Willfully Disobeying Superior Officer

      Disobeying a superior commissioned officer: 1. The accused received a lawful command from the commissioned officer. 2. The officer was the accused service member's superior commissioned officer. 3. The accused was aware that the officer is his/her superior commissioned office. 4. The accused wi

    • My Esoteric profile imageAUTHOR

      Scott Belford 

      5 weeks ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      You made the original claim - You need to provide evidence for it when challenged.

      Aren't you stuck on using labels by insisting on using the label Southern Democrat rather than the philosophically correct and UNCHANGING label of Conservative? Conservatism and Liberalism are a relative constant throughout time yet you choose to pick a label that changes its philosophy every few decades. That makes no sense. Why can't you use a term that doesn't change definitions.

      ALSO, if you read political history on parties, rather than your own bias, you will find "I once again mention that in this century the democrats took a different tack about the blacks because they were losing their votes." IS totally wrong. The "because" is that conservatives fled Democratic party to the GOP once the liberals gained the upper-hand.

      AS YOU recall, the same thing happened in the 1860s when the liberal National Union Party was created to allow the liberals in the Democratic party to vote for the liberal Lincoln. Once elected, they changed the party name to the liberal Republican Party

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      Brad Masters 

      5 weeks ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Scott

      You provided no foundation to your ""The Blacks are victims of the Stockholm syndrome because their protectors of today are the same slave masters of yesterday." -" either. That statement is no different than me saying the sun is purple pokey-dot.

      Also, the claim is false on its face. Stockholm Syndrome - "feelings of trust or affection felt in many cases of kidnapping or hostage-taking by a victim toward a captor." and I can guarantee you blacks neither trust nor hold affection for whites - nor should they ever.

      B: Scott, you keep deviating, cherry picking, and opining I am wrong but you don't support it. You are too attached to labeling, and the southern democrats were the one keeping blacks as slaves, starting the Civil War, and mistreating them for 100 years after that, and they didn't stop because of the Civil Rights in 1964 did they. I once again mention that in this century the democrats took a different tack about the blacks because they were losing their votes. It escalated when Obama took office, and everything became a race issue. You couldn't criticize president Obama because he was "black", so when people criticized him it automatically became a race issue.

      As I also said, the blacks were kept in welfare as a handout, and no one gave them a helping hand. That is the same as being a slave, you are bound to your master or captor in this case the threat of no more handouts.

      -------------------------------

      "And the rest of your claim is factually incorrect. Their slave masters of old are conservatives. Their protectors of today (and the past) are liberals. That is not even open up to debate, unless you want to argue that the sun isn't some variation of yellow."

      B: There you go with labels. You are saying that the politicians that caused riots in 1964 were conservatives? We don't have a liberal or a conservative party, we have either democrat or republican. And it was and is the democrat party that gave them handouts that kept them beholding to their master the democrat party.

      -----------------------------------------------

      When you claim ""Once again you missed the point, because the Civil Rights Amendments was created because of the Southern Democrats no matter how you label them." you are as wrong as you can be. Virtually every Southern Democrat voted Against the CRA. It was the Northern liberals (Republican and Democrat) who got that passed with a lot of arm-twisting by a now liberal LBJ.

      B: I don't think so. The north passed these amendments to make sure that the sure didn't become vengeful against the freed slaves.

      ------------------------------------------

      Another false statement "The democrats may have changed their approach but that doesn't mean they have changed. As I mentioned when the blacks became a voting source, the democrats changed step to capture them." - that is simply NOT true. Conservative democrats effectively took away most of their voting rights again until liberal Democrats (former Lincoln Republicans) got it back for them

      B: Until 1920 women including black women were not allowed to vote.

      "You are right, I cannot deny that I am a very strong anti-Trump person; and for the same reasons I won't deny I am a strong Putin/Un/Hussain/Hitler/Stalin person."

      B: And why are you a very strong anti Trump person? I have no idea what you mean about Putin? We don't have any of these people. You were OK when Hillary and president Obama didn't stop Putin from getting control of our Uranium. If you want to deny that, then provide some real proof. Putin wasn't the enemy then, and Putin and Russia weren't the enemy when Hillary Clinton got her Russian Dossier to attack Trump. They call it the Russian Dossier because the information came from Russia. That is more of a connection to Russia by Hillary and DNC than anything about Trump.

      "It is my nature to care about people no matter what demographic they belong to; which is why I am a social liberal.

      B: What allegiance to America or Americans? How have you or the democrats helped them?

      " On the other hand, my allegiance is to America. Set aside the small criminal element of illegals, the remainder are an economic benefit to America and our laws should be changed to make use of that. They are more law abiding, harder working, more motivated to succeed and a host of other things than native born Americans. That is just a fact.""

      B: Small criminal element, the jails and prisons in the US are loaded with them, and they are Convicted Felons, and a felony is a major crime. Yet, you and the democrats setup sanctuary cities to keep them from being deported. How does that help the Americans that live and work near them? What kind of justification is there to protect convicted felons?

      The only people benefiting from the illegal aliens are businesses that get cheap labor, and much of the illegal alien money goes back to Mexico. Santa Ana CA go to the post office on mondays and see the money go south. There is nothing cheap, about it and estimates range from $20 billion to a $100 billion to pay for these 20 million illegal aliens. There are direct costs like Free education, Free medical, and they do get welfare regardless of the law. They drive without insurance and that costs insured drivers higher premiums. It is very expensive to man the prisons that are being over crowed to the point where judges force the early release of thousands of prisoners.

      There is a lot a gangs coming into the US and I have written five articles on it with verified information from the government. But, you probably don't think that gangs like MS 13 are a problem. In CA the Hispanic population is equal to that of the white population. The difference is that they contain illegals, and they have a higher number of children that we the taxpayers pay.

      $20 billion dollars of illegal drugs come into the country through the open border every year, along with contraband, child trafficking. Add up the costs of stopping illegals, capturing illegals, courts to process the illegals, the police to handle the criminal illegals, the damage both financially and in lives is very costly. And you the person that cares about everyone doesn't think that it is wrong to let someone just walk across the border and get taken care of, while thousand of people from all over the world go through the legal, expensive and time consuming process can't get in. This is true is you come from Canada. Yet, you give these illegals a free pass. You didn't comment when I mentioned how these illegals demonstrate in Los Angeles flying their flag while burning our flag. These are the people you choose to favor.

      You think that democrats resisting the president and the republicans is the American Way, when I always thought the American Way was to vote for the change, not disrupt the country because you person didn't win the election. These are the democrats that you support while disrespecting the office of the president. If you didn't like your commanding officer in the service and did this

      Article 90: Assaulting or Willfully Disobeying Superior Officer

      Disobeying a superior commissioned officer: 1. The accused received a lawful command from the commissioned officer. 2. The officer was the accused service member's superior commissioned officer. 3. The accused was aware that the officer is his/her superior commissioned office. 4. The accused willfully disobeyed the officer's lawful command ...

      While the actions of the democrats in congress are treasonous in their nature, they are for certain not following the oath of their office. And for that they should be removed.

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      Scott Belford 

      5 weeks ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      "Don't you think you should care more about Americans and America. What about all the immigrants that use the legal process to try to get into the country, while all the illegals have to do is walk across and open border?" - BUT you didn't ask about those, you asked about blacks and Hispanics because I was an old white white man.

      It is my nature to care about people no matter what demographic they belong to; which is why I am a social liberal. On the other hand, my allegiance is to America. Set aside the small criminal element of illegals, the remainder are an economic benefit to America and our laws should be changed to make use of that. They are more law abiding, harder working, more motivated to succeed and a host of other things than native born Americans. That is just a fact.

      "The blacks have tired of their life long relationship with the democrats and many are no longer loyal party voters." - THAT is a hoot as well as False. Give me the studies that show that.

      If you rephrase "BTW, I don't really care for the GOP, but I do think that the democrats have done more damage to the country and what it stood for than the republicans. " to "BTW, I don't really care for the GOP, but I do think that the conservatives have done more damage to the country and what it stood for than the liberals" THEN I will agree with you, given you are talking about more than 200 years of history.

      '

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      Scott Belford 

      6 weeks ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      You provided no foundation to your ""The Blacks are victims of the Stockholm syndrome because their protectors of today are the same slave masters of yesterday." -" either. That statement is no different than me saying the sun is purple pokey-dot.

      Also, the claim is false on its face. Stockholm Syndrome - "feelings of trust or affection felt in many cases of kidnapping or hostage-taking by a victim toward a captor." and I can guarantee you blacks neither trust nor hold affection for whites - nor should they ever.

      And the rest of your claim is factually incorrect. Their slave masters of old are conservatives. Their protectors of today (and the past) are liberals. That is not even open up to debate, unless you want to argue that the sun isn't some variation of yellow.

      When you claim ""Once again you missed the point, because the Civil Rights Amendments was created because of the Southern Democrats no matter how you label them." you are as wrong as you can be. Virtually every Southern Democrat voted Against the CRA. It was the Northern liberals (Republican and Democrat) who got that passed with a lot of arm-twisting by a now liberal LBJ.

      Another false statement "The democrats may have changed their approach but that doesn't mean they have changed. As I mentioned when the blacks became a voting source, the democrats changed step to capture them." - that is simply NOT true. Conservative democrats effectively took away most of their voting rights again until liberal Democrats (former Lincoln Republicans) got it back for them

      You are right, I cannot deny that I am a very strong anti-Trump person; and for the same reasons I won't deny I am a strong Putin/Un/Hussain/Hitler/Stalin person..

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      Brad Masters 

      6 weeks ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Scott

      It is difficult to have any intelligent conversation with you, you don't give any foundation for your answers. Bullshit is not an answer. I gave you my foundation. The democrats created the legalization of slaves, and went to war against the US, and when they lost they tried to go around the Civil Rights Amendments. Then for the next 100 years, they mistreated the emancipated slaves culminating is riots and acts of degrading these people. The 1964 Civil Rights Acts tried to contain the democrats bigotry, but all it did was to employ methods that affected non blacks more than helping the black.

      Slowing but surely the democrats since then realized these people could be harness as democrat voters. Instead of giving the blacks a helping hand they gave them handouts. This put generations of blacks on the welfare roles, and to keep getting these handouts they kept voting them in office. You don't have to go further than the history in the Los Angeles area to see their handouts. As for the Stockholm syndrome, It was the same political party that victimized them, and now the blacks are endeared to them.

      ---------------------------------

      "Once again you missed the point, because the Civil Rights Amendments was created because of the Southern Democrats no matter how you label them. These were the same politicians that continued to treat blacks as slaves for 100 years and the creation of the Civil Rights Acts in 1964." - Taken as a whole, that is demonstrably wrong, Brad, and you know. There is absolutely no comparison in ideologies of Southern Democrats of old and "Southern" Democrats of now. Stacy Abrams (new) is nothing like George Wallace (old).

      B:

      The Civil Rights Amendments were made by the winner of the Civil War to try and prevent the southern politicians from going around the emancipation of the slaves, which as I mentioned above was successful. The democrats may have changed their approach but that doesn't mean they have changed. As I mentioned when the blacks became a voting source, the democrats changed step to capture them.

      "I do agree with you, however, that " the biggest problem in America is the loyal party voter of any party.""

      "Why are you a loyal Democrat party voter?" - I am actually not. I didn't vote D much until 1992. The reason I don't vote R anymore is because the GOP only fields candidates that I can vote on whose ideology I abhor. (I actually voted for a local Republican in the last election here because he was quite moderate).

      "I don't get it Scott, you are a very old white white dude why do you care about the blacks and the Hispanics, especially the illegal ones?" - Because I care about people, not just my kin.

      B:

      Don't you think you should care more about Americans and America. What about all the immigrants that use the legal process to try to get into the country, while all the illegals have to do is walk across and open border? And then the democrat party treats them like a pseudo American citizen. The blacks have tired of their life long relationship with the democrats and many are no longer loyal party voters. That is why, the democrats have switched to the illegal aliens as their new voting class. And that is why they want them to have a path to citizenship. Even legal immigrants from south of the border resent the illegal aliens because they cheated. And in Los Angeles when these illegals parade and riot while flying their flag while burning the American flag is that something you support?

      ----------------------------------------------

      And that is a distinguishing feature between Left and Right. The Left, by and large, are empathetic to people in general while the Right is equally empathetic, but only to their family.

      B:

      Can you deny that you are very strong Anti Trump person? And while you say that you are not a loyal democrat party voter, you embrace their goals and their ideology. Both parties just want power, and neither of them care about the people or the country. Getting the voters is the key to their power. And that power comes from the age old saying, "the democrats are for the poor, and the republicans are for the rich". This is a truism in marketing their parties, but it is also why they have a diametric ideology and goal. This makes congress a see saw, because as one party get power and control the other party goes down, and that party will do nothing to help America, Americans or the other party. When they take back control, their control is to undo what the other party has done, and that is a matter of record.

      As for the rich and the poor, both parties by creating the Internal Revenue Code have a mechanism where the rich can access numerous methods for avoiding, deferring, and reducing their taxes. These are not available to wage earners, and few are left to them after the Regan 1986 Tax Reform Act that was sold as a tax reduction, and giving up most of the few accesses to the IRC.

      The 16th amendment wasn't giving the congress the power to tax, it was removing the apportionment factor of the Interstate Commerce Clause. And while an amendment cannot be deemed unconstitutional by definition, it can be unconstitutional in its application. However, the congress never challenged that because they wanted control over the wage earners while sparing themselves and their rich friends from the burden of paying their fair share in taxes. It is true the 10% of the rich pay 90% of the taxes, but the real issue is how much they would have had to pay without the help of the IRC.

      As for the democrats and the poor, was it the poor that gave Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama over $1 billions for their war chests, while Trump only got half of Hillary's $1.2 billion?

      BTW, I don't really care for the GOP, but I do think that the democrats have done more damage to the country and what it stood for than the republicans. I don't think of Trump as either democrat or republican, I think of him as someone in between both of them. And the only president that actually made good on his campaign promises.

      What the past presidents and congresses of both parties have done in the last 100 hundred years is to have America in continual wars, and have millions of Americans die for them. The sad fact is that we lost most, if not all of them depending on your definition of winning a war.

      I would appreciate any intelligent criticism and comment like some that you made in this comment. Thanks Scott.

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      Scott Belford 

      6 weeks ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      "The Blacks are victims of the Stockholm syndrome because their protectors of today are the same slave masters of yesterday." - I am sorry Brad, but that is so much bullshit that it is unbelievable!

      "Once again you missed the point, because the Civil Rights Amendments was created because of the Southern Democrats no matter how you label them. These were the same politicians that continued to treat blacks as slaves for 100 years and the creation of the Civil Rights Acts in 1964." - Taken as a whole, that is demonstrably wrong, Brad, and you know. There is absolutely no comparison in ideologies of Southern Democrats of old and "Southern" Democrats of now. Stacy Abrams (new) is nothing like George Wallace (old).

      I do agree with you, however, that " the biggest problem in America is the loyal party voter of any party."

      "Why are you a loyal Democrat party voter?" - I am actually not. I didn't vote D much until 1992. The reason I don't vote R anymore is because the GOP only fields candidates that I can vote on whose ideology I abhor. (I actually voted for a local Republican in the last election here because he was quite moderate).

      "I don't get it Scott, you are a very old white white dude why do you care about the blacks and the Hispanics, especially the illegal ones?" - Because I care about people, not just my kin.

      And that is a distinguishing feature between Left and Right. The Left, by and large, are empathetic to people in general while the Right is equally empathetic, but only to their family.

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      Brad Masters 

      6 weeks ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Scott

      Once again you missed the point, because the Civil Rights Amendments was created because of the Southern Democrats no matter how you label them. These were the same politicians that continued to treat blacks as slaves for 100 years and the creation of the Civil Rights Acts in 1964.

      The Blacks are victims of the Stockholm syndrome because their protectors of today are the same slave masters of yesterday.

      And once again you cherry pick my comments and come up with more red herrings or just total avoidance.

      I have always said that the biggest problem in America is the loyal party voter of any party. Why is that a problem because the goals of both parties are diametrically opposed, and this leads to opposition in congress to the point of grid lock. We have one congress but loyal party voters treat it like two sports team. When congress and America loses a game, it doesn't matter which party won because the game is lost.

      The party picks the candidates that the voters must choose from and that has and continues to lead us to voting for the lesser of two evils.

      I don't know how anyone can see any accomplishments of president Barack Obama, especially in light of the way has transitioned from office to become a democrat resistance icon spreading anti American speech around the world.

      I don't get it Scott, you are a very old white white dude why do you care about the blacks and the hispanics, especially the illegal ones?

      Why are you a loyal Democrat party voter?

      What has the Democrat party done for America?

    • My Esoteric profile imageAUTHOR

      Scott Belford 

      2 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Need I remind you again Brad that Southern Democrats, in those days, were Conservatives?

      For the rest of your comments all I can say is get out of the stone-age. None of it is true.

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      Brad Masters 

      2 months ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Scott Belford Estoric

      What has that record been by social conservatives, evangelical and fundelmentalist Christians? To name just a very few, they fought tooth and nail, often violently, over the years against

      making slavery illegal

      B:

      It was the southern state democrats that would fight a war to keep slavery. and one hundred years later the civil right acts were passed to make the freed slaves and their descendants stop being treated as if they were still slaves. The civil rights amendments gave the slaves their freedom from involuntary servitude, but the losers in the civil war only followed that, but they didn't have any obligation to treat them as their equals. Forget the 14th amendment it really didn't have equality. If it did then black men wouldn't have needed the 15th amendment. And the 14th amendment didn't give black women the right to vote. It took 50 years and the 19th amendment to get women of any color the right to vote.

      ----------------------------------------------------

      allowing blacks and whites marry

      B:

      Marriage shouldn't be in the domain of the government.

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      social security

      Medicare

      B:

      Both of these are taxes (FICA) and they are bad systems. Why should government workers get premium systems at the cost of the taxpayers. FERS and FEHBs. They should be available to everyone or no one.

      Social Security never stops as long as you earn a wage.

      FERs is a real retirement with Defined Benefits and it doesn't continue like SS when you retire.

      Medicare also never stops, and Medicare is not free and it isn't comprehensive. You need additional insurance to cover what Medicare doesn't. SS benefits deduct Medicare premiums.

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      the Civil Rights Act of 1964

      Do you really think that this act worked?

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      homosexuals fighting for America

      allowing homosexuals who love each other to marry each other (stll being fought out)

      B:

      What is the science on lgbtq?

      Why are bisexual in the group?

      There is nothing common among this entire group, except democrats.

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      Delete this now

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      Scott Belford 

      4 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      You need to do your homework. Southern Democrats were conservatives. In fact, by that time, the whole Democratic Party from Andrew Jackson on was conservative. The liberal/progressive wing (northern Democrats) along with some conservatives left to form the Whigs. Later, the Whigs broke apart with the anti-slavery group forming the Republican Party and the pro-slavery group rejoining the conservative Democrats. It was this Republican Party which elected Lincoln in 1860. In 1864, in order to draw progressive, pro-war Democratic votes for Lincoln, a new National Union Party was formed for Lincoln to run under which gave him the votes he needed. It merged back with the Republican Party after the election.

      The Republican Party remained progressive through 1920 but turned conservative prior to the Great Depression. At the same time the Democratic Party turned liberal first with Woodrow Wilson and then with FDR. Conservative Democrats have been joining the Republican ranks ever since and Republicans have been gaining strength in the conservative South since Nixon.

      As I have said many times before, conservative and progressive believes do not change with time. Edmund Burke was a conservative in 1720 and Kirk was the same kind of conservative in the mid-1900s as was George Wallace as was every southern owner who fought in the civil war in the 1800s. Lincoln was a progressive, as was John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Teddy and Franklin Roosevelt, Kennedy, Clinton, and Obama. Each group held similar philosophical views over the 300 year time span although they belonged to different Parties.

      The bottom line is just the opposite of what you believe; Parties are the ones who change their color at the drop of a hat, not philosophies such as conservatism and progressivism. I am sorry, but conservative ideals are what is holding up the progress toward civility in this country.

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      do ur homework 1st 

      4 years ago

      THE "tactics used by conservatives" is a laugh. Noone understands history anymore? The southern DEMOCRATS were the biggest proponents of slavery in the south, not the "conservatives." Lincoln (a Repub.) freed the slaves for Pete's sake. The left tries to whitewash this fact and make it seem like they are the defenders of black America when in fact, the southern dem's persisted even after Lincoln was assasinated with trying to keep blacks oppressed. Nice try at spin, and with the education our country is providing you will probably slip this past quite a few folks. The truth is it had nothing to do with conservative and liberal, repub or democrat, only with racist views of people of the times. The Dem's have done more to oppress people of color through programs such as affirmative action designed to convince people of other races of their inferiority.

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      Scott Belford 

      6 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      You described my reaction to her courage very well. I can't remember if I talked about it in the hub but in lectures I have listened to not too long ago, suggested that active racism results from the leadership of groups, and not the masses themselves. The seeds of racisms are always there in the masses simply because of the "birds-of-a-feather" force. But, extant an outside impetus, that force is dormant. It is almost always leadership that provides that impetus to active racism. Examples are Hitler, KKK, Serb leaders, historic Popes, etc. Without their instigation of hatred of Jews, Blacks, Catholics, Muslims, they all would have kept getting along fine.

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      Abigayle Malchow 

      6 years ago from Ripon Wisconsin

      Simply because she was so determined to write that book when it was illegal shows the courage some people had to do what is right, to seek out the truth through the words of the help themselves. She had a passion in her that is inspiring for me because you don't see a lot of people risking their necks anymore, or at least I don't.

      I too watched the movie and by the end really felt that racism was embedded in humanity and that it was a hard road for someone to overcome it. We grow up with the ideals of our parents and if they are racist we have had to break away from that and almost retrain our brain in how we think of them. I remember when I was eight years old and I was truly horrified at what my grandmother was telling me. She was raised in Ohio and she had even been in the Navy during WW2 so you know when she was growing up she had bigoted views. She didn't think she was racist but she saw me walking with my best friend at the time. She started yelling at me to get to the car. I was in a state of panic as she is yelling at me for walking hand in hand with a little black girl...well she said negro girl but I hate saying that...so I was confused at first...asked her what she meant. That was the day I saw for the first time really saw that we all had really different skin colors. I swear that I didn't see that. I seriously didn't notice we all had different colored skin and I was crying asking what was wrong with my friend because I couldn't touch her...and she said the skin is oily. Yeah...even at 8 I knew this was really dumb.

      Point is it was ingrained in me for 8 years we are all the same, grandma ruined that visually but I never lost the basis of my teachings. So, we have to credit the people that can change the way they are taught to think and formulate these new ideas and ways to think and that people have always known on some level what was write or not.

      I might offend some people here and I really am not meaning to because I am a christian but I am not one that follows organized religion and I don't have someone telling me how to interpret the teachings. I just seem to have noticed throughout a lot of discussions that there is a lot of racism in religion. I feel they are prejudice against gay marriage because of the gender, I believe that many branchs of Christianity value men over women so that is sexism. You see my point. Plus American is still racist. I was blown over when I heard a white man complain they weren't the majority anymore and discuss a "white advantage" and that the black man is the antichrist and he was going on an on about black men. Others have said the same thing...white men have been very angry about not being the majority in this country and they are really not happy that they dropped to below fifty percent and no longer half or more for religion being important.

      I think that my reaction by the end was a bit of a heart wrenching feeling. I was wondering if I would have had that courage. I have that courage now but I don't have anyone telling me its illegal to interview anyone. I also thought of the holocaust. I was thinking about how hatred instead of acceptance and tolerance, really burns out the soul of a society. That a person like her that would risk being caught to write that brings in the humanity side. I guess I was torn between anger and awe.

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      Scott Belford 

      6 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Your quite welcome Ruby. When I started the hub, it was just a critique of a really good flick, but then I got angry and on a roll, lol.

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      Maree Michael Martin 

      6 years ago from Northwest Washington on an Island

      The history of the south is very interesting, thanks for some updates during 1964, and on the movie The Help, I have just read the book. Great history insights, thanks.

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      Scott Belford 

      6 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      I appreciate you stopping in and reading as well as leaving your thoughts, Michememe. I agree, the movie made me angry, obviously from a different perspective, which is what motivated my writing this hub.

      I remain angry because, while things have certainly improved in terms of many government rules and regulations, but private attitudes are very slow to move.

      I just added a new section regarding that last part from my recent observations from watching my grandchild grow up.

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      Miche Wro 

      6 years ago

      Thanks for the hub, the first time I viewed the movie I walked out. Because of the toilet scene. The second time was easier. Thanks for the Informative information.

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      Scott Belford 

      7 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Thank you HScheider. The thing that amazes me the most that history shows, as I try to point out, that as ingrained as bigotry is in humans, we seem to find a way to get along with each other when our leaders are busy off doing other things. But once leaders turn their attention to being bigoted, then groups tend to follow the leader than what is moral; go figure.

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      Howard Schneider 

      7 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey

      Excellent analysis My Esoteric. I saw the movie "The Help" a few wekks ago and I thought it was wonderful and quite funny also. You are correct that racism is inherent in all societies, groups, and persons to one degree or another. The key, as I have written before, is to engage with other groups and confront these latent bigotries. Too often we avoid these issues because they are incomfortable to us. That is exactly the wrong way to go. We must continually debate the causes and nature of bigotry, prejudice, and intolerance. Otherwise the problem festers and grows. We all should interact with others before casting dispersions upon them. You will develop empathy with other groups and people. Once you have done this, bigotry will slowly fade away. When walking a mile in another person's shoes, the ability of fear and ignorance to grow is dashed. Suddenly you have understanding and tolerance.

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      Scott Belford 

      7 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Thank you Jo. Unfortunately, it isn't that long ago, and, while it isn't as overt, it hasn't really stopped, either. However, that said, sometimes I get wound up writing my hubs and manage to go "over-the-top" a bit in my rhetoric; hopefully, always backed by facts though.

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      Jo Miller 

      7 years ago from Tennessee

      The Help has been a very popular book (and now movie)among many of my acquaintances here in TN. Many of them see it, though, as about things that happened a long time ago. I live very near Rutherford County, and I suspect some of those fond of this book would also support the people opposing the mosque.

      I lived through this period here in the South in the '60s and I heard the same type of language used about blacks then as are used about homosexuals, Muslims, and immigrants today.

      Good Hub!

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      Scott Belford 

      7 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Thanks Peter, my wife read the book as well as see the movie with me and found it as engrossing as the movie. There wasn't too much left out in the movie which was in the book, which is nice.

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      PETER LUMETTA 

      7 years ago from KENAI, ALAKSA

      I have not seen the movie but it sounds like something everyone should at least read about. It always seems as times get tougher, like they are now, bigotry gets stronger. I imagine it makes the people with nothing to lose a little prideful because they are not as bad off as those... I suspect it will get worse before the pendulum swings the other way, I just hope we don't all kill each other in the meantime. A good food for thought article, Thanks,

      Peter

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