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Updated on February 9, 2014

Why does any one need a weapon that just looks like a Fully Automatic Assault Weapon

What happens in someones' mind when they dream or imagine killing something alive.
What happens in someones' mind when they dream or imagine killing something alive. | Source

Just drop the pretenses. NRA is out to stop all discussion. Why?

Because they are bought and owned my gun manufacturers. What a gullible market. Gun owners join with a group hell bent on selling them their product. Very hard to take that group seriously.

No one has a constitutional right to carry a weapon that looks just like a fully automatic military grade (bullet hose) Assault weapon. I understand that normal practice in the military does no even clear such weaponry. In rare occassions the weapon has a purpose but we have found that a 3 round burst has the same benefits but not the complications and logistic problems.

Have you ever fired a weapon that can shoot 20 or so rounds just in one pull of the trigger?

Have you ever fired what we normally call an assault weapon?

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Well with regards to the above poll, you really should.

There are different restrictions and legal and not so legal ways to do it. But it is really fun. Unless you are rich you cannot do it much because it is super expensive. And it is not like you can do it 10 times in short order with the same weapon, it just gets too hot.

And I must say that if I thought I might be attacked in my home by superior forces I would sure like to have one at the ready. But I do not think that way based on 99.99999% reality.

But here in my San Diego County they just rounded up a gang sweep and confiscated over forty of the weapons and that is a bit scary to me.

I lean toward keeping those weapons in civilian hands as off limits and too much.

We say grace and we say mam!

Taking the life of another.

We cannot prepare ourselves or stand tall in the proclamation of the ability to take another life. Only true men secure in their cause and supported by the righteous can take the life of another.

No man on mortal American soil can justify the armament required to blast 30 rounds per 1.5 seconds. There is no proper use for such weaponry in a domestic setting.

The need or desire to have weapons that look or act like they can do so, have no protection in our constitution. That desire stems from a "style", a need to act out scenes from video games to movies.

Do not get me wrong, I think that is just fine on a qualifying range.


At this age, this boy could shoot a gun well. Seriously. But the ammo was water.

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Stand straight and ask, "why do you need such a weapon", does it secure our freedoms?

I think every American should have weapons. I think we should all be ready for catastrophe, insurgence and oppression by force.

But there is no place for Assault Weapons in a home in America.

Those that argue that there is no reason, to gauge, regulate weapons of mass destruction are painfully boring. A fully automatic AK 47 assault weapon, is wrong. A wannabe look the same is equally wrong and those that demand a right to it, have no intellectual constitutional integrity.

I promise you there are better weapons for a person who wants quality.

If you have not done it. Do the paperwork and the research. Go out and fire some awesome equipment. It is fun to blow things up at 500 meters. It is a blast to fire so many rounds a second and tear apart a target. It is an interactive amusement park.

Justice does not come at the end of a barrel.

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I heard tell of a man that wanted peace but carried a gun.

Wyatt Earp was his name and he used to be a sheriff where I live.


I really think that this man wanted peace, so that he would not be shot dead when it was realized he was cheating at poker. I was raised in Arizona the home of Tombstone and the OK Corral shootout. And then moved to San Diego where I understand Wyatt Earp "kept the peace" for a few years as Sheriff. A fine line between outlaws and lawmen. So we wonder if we need to escalate the ability to kill another.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      I'm not against guns; tighten laws = law abiding citizens are affected, criminals continue to break laws, ie; possess and use guns. BUT, guns for hunting; yes, guns for military; yes, guns for protection, something small should do. What need is there for a normal layperson to own an automatic or semi-automatic assault weapon? In what situation would a normal citizen need to take out hoards of people? It is those kinds of guns that are often used in these tragic school shootings.

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      Alberic O 4 years ago from Any Clime, Any Place

      Current Federal Laws prohibit civilians from owning burst fire/automatic weapons unless they have a special licence through the ATF. It is very expensive to own one legally. If you get caught violating this law, you're gonna be in a lot of hurt.

      I find no issues with semi automatic weapons though and those that work with them (and automatic/burst fire weapons)- most military, law enforcement and security personnel have no issues.. They have the range and the fire power pistols and shot guns don't have.

      There were instances where these rifles were used in a defensive situation by civilians. Bad guys can buy soft body armor which can defeat pistol rounds, can be armed with rifles and/or attack in several groups at ranges beyond pistols and shot guns. However, the risk of over penetration is there. Most people that have these rifles either hunt or target shoot with them.

      In real firearms therm, there is no such thing as an 'assault weapon.'

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      ib radmasters 4 years ago from Southern California

      Eric

      This hub has no valid arguments, and it is hard to tell what is your point.

      What is the issue, and what is your position on the issue?

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Alberic O,

      My brother is Special Tactics Airforce and FBI and I'd give him of these; I think that those are the kind of people automatic and semi automatic assault rifles are supposed to be for. As far as it being illegal for most people to own them, there again; criminals don't follow laws. They shouldn't be accessible to criminals. They shouldn't leave military/law enforcement hands.

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      Christopher Antony Meade 4 years ago from Gillingham Kent. United Kingdom

      I don't see how ownership of a gun can guarantee anyones safety. I'm still alive and I have never held a gun in my entire life.

      Mind you, I do live in a safer country. The question is, what makes it safer?

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      christopheranton,

      I'll tell you what makes us the way we are. We have a media that focuses on the ugly that goes on and it's thrown in our American faces until we all live shaking in fear. We are quick reacting people, we react first and think of consequences later. We fear our own shadows and then want to walk around with guns in our trembling hands.

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Cantuhearmescream,

      Rather dramatic but pretty much accurate I think. I would only caveat that many are as you say, not all.

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      ib, There are two main issues. NRA takes this serious and we will be covered in their position, in a well oiled and machined faction, so we should be aware of that. It is not just concerned folks talking it is a very well run organization with talking points.

      2nd is that I would like to hear a real argument to have these "styles" of weapons available. Not "I wants" or "it is my right" but a solid reason why.

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Christopher, We know what you say is truth. I am hoping someone can explain a real purpose to having "stylized" weapons that are mock ups of fully automatic weapons. I understand reasons for firearms but not this particular type.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Dramatic, tragic? Either word fits into the current shape of society. I don't live in fear, I live in a tiny village with 5 streets and 100 homes. There are no police here, no crimes and no violence. But...when I read the newspaper or watch the news I need a box of Kleenex.

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      Alberic O 4 years ago from Any Clime, Any Place

      So how do you define a semi automatic assault rifle vs a regular semi automatic assault rifle? Would you count an m1a or mini 14 as a 'semi automatic' assault rifle? Or are you going by the definition of the Assault Weapons Ban passed in 1994?

      These types of laws do not address crime themselves but address an object. If the purpose of the Assault Weapons Ban was to address crime, it failed. If you really want to make a dent, severely punish straw buyers and criminals. Put mental illness diagnosis such as schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, anti-social personality disorder, narcissistic personality disorder, and psychosis into background checks for weapons. You'll notice all of the mass shooters have one of these disorders. Also, require private sales of firearms go through FFL dealers. These will make it harder for criminals to get guns without punishing gun owners who have done nothing wrong. Mass punishment does not work well in this country.

      christopheranton is correct. A person's mind and instinct you keep you safe. A firearm is an extension of the body like any weapon. If you are proficient in it, you be better off. If you think you can use the weapon bluff a criminal or think it will protect you when you practice once a month or less, you're gonna have issues.

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      I do not think anyone suggests disarming LEAs or Military. An assault is an attack on an entrenched positions. There are weapons that are made to aid in an assault. One of them, though seldom used is a fully automatic rifle. The purpose is to lay down a covering barrage on the position to keep the position from being able to expose themselves and return fire. That allows for positioning and advancement in degrees. The concept goes as far back to the archery forces.

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Cantuhearmescream, I hear you. I generally do not pay attention to the "news". When I studied philosophy at a University, periodicals and news programs were not to be spoken of and it was suggested not viewed.

      They had a point.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      While you have a point that's a bit of an oxymoron. How do you stay informed about what is going on in the world we live in without being subjected to the news? I read the Wall Street Journal almost every day and there are tragic stories throughout that as well and that's no "village crier".

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      ib radmasters 4 years ago from Southern California

      Eric

      "ib, There are two main issues. NRA takes this serious and we will be covered in their position, in a well oiled and machined faction, so we should be aware of that. It is not just concerned folks talking it is a very well run organization with talking points.

      ib-------

      What is the issue?

      What about the NRA is an issue?

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      2nd is that I would like to hear a real argument to have these "styles" of weapons available. Not "I wants" or "it is my right" but a solid reason why."

      ib-------------------

      As long as the person doesn't commit a crime with any of these weapons, what is the problem?

      We don't seem to have any problems with cars that drive over 200mph, and can accelerate from 0-60mph ins 3 seconds. We only care about them if there is a crime involved with it.

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      What is the problem that will be solved by restricting or banning these weapons?

      And I don't understand why foreigners are telling us anything about our country?

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      Alberic O 4 years ago from Any Clime, Any Place

      In philosophy, you study about logic and reasoning. This also goes into differentiating between incorrect conclusions (includes most forms of fallacies) and reasoning. News today have more commentary than before and if you read some of it (regardless if you agree with it or not) they do use incorrect reasoning and fallacies. You can easily see this in gun control as well as other topics on both sides using red herring and hastily generalizations. You can read the news, but take it with a grain of salt- that's what Eric meant.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Alberic,

      Look at the Trayvon Martin/Zimmerman case. Depending on which station you watched or paper you read depended on how the story was spun.

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      Alberic O 4 years ago from Any Clime, Any Place

      Cantuhearmescream,

      yep. They make it more than it has to me. This is a case to examine whether Zimmerman acted in self defense or not, nothing more.

      Eric:

      Based on my military and security experience, semi auto rifles with pistol grips are more comfortable to hold- many would agree with me. I can care less if it looks cool. However, that doesn't make them any more dangerous than a semi auto rifle without these features.

      Also, on AR-15 platforms, you can change calibers just by buying the right upper receiver for the ammunition (if you use one that fires a 5.56mm/.223) you can fire anywhere from a .22 to a 7.63x39mm ammo provided you have the correct upper receiver and magazine.

      If I were to target shoot and I wanted to save money, I can switch to an upper receiver that takes the .22 bullet and use the appropriate magazine without having to buy a .22.

      Cosmetic looks are irrelevant due to the fact the weapon fires in semi automatic only-if its burst fire or automatic- then that's another story. So mechanically speaking, it's the same as a .22 semi automatic rifle.

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      ib, good valid arguments.

      I like your point about the car. So what about that industry self regulates itself? I know insurance for dealerships that sell them are very pricey and usually offered somehow through the manufacturer.

      I am still waiting for a valid reason for civilians to have these weapons. I got one that just plain admits they are just for recreation and fun, and that this style is more fun.

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Alberic, Right on with your explanations. The costs, super heating and just plane variations make the AR (series) a good idea for those reasons.

      Do you feel that is good enough?

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      You suggest that reading news is how to be informed, information and news are not equivalent. How does the author of the news get the information.

      I nowadays can get all the information I need from first hand reports. (still nothing good about Area 51 one though ;-)

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Alberic O,

      I couldn’t agree more, self-defense or not self-defense that is the question; not Racism or no Racism. This story was sad but what it turned into was pathetic.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Ericdierker,

      I wasn't and am not debating your point. You're right. I guess I wonder where are people supposed to get their "news" today. I can tell you I don't go on to Facebook to get mine. That's just good for seeing what Patty made for dinner and the new outfit Sara is posing in. Rubbish I say!

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Alberic and Cant, This story is partially why I infused the press/news aspect in my warnings. You see, we get ABC, NBC, FOX and NCR. But what most folks do not really get is a massive PR campaign dressed to look like citizens. We have to be aware that NRA is massive and likes to address issues more like a grassroots organization. Although they are not.

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Cant, we are on the same page. We go to places like government websites and blogs with a history of some reliability. We scan headlines to pick up talking points, and keywords. Current Anthropology is awesome. We look into things like edgar filings and committee meeting minutes.

      Much easier to turn on the TV but no where near as fun.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      This is true. What's unfortunate is that many people don't go out of their way to find they news unless there is something in particular they are looking to find out. What kind of news is put in our face?; the kind of news that comes in our email, over our phones and through social media feeds. That is the news that is informing a majority of the public. Then I have to stand at my son's soccer game and listen to these "misinformed soccer moms" rant about news and politics. Just nod and smile, no point in the debate :-)

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      This perfectly illustrates the problem of the source of the information. On any hub or site where this issue is discussed you will get writers who pretend to just be responding when in fact they are somehow getting something for it. Just like CBS gets more ads if they have extremely violent programming -- not good.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      ...and in response we add locks to our doors, purchase more guns and sit crouched in a corner, shaking, waiting for our safety to be compromised.

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      Marcus 4 years ago

      Wow Erikdierker, you really have no understanding of firearms at all. Please go back to pole smoking and leave firearm regulation to people who know a little about them.

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      Alberic O 4 years ago from Any Clime, Any Place

      Eric, I hate to 'feel' whether the reason is good enough. It depends on what the person needs (rationally). For example, if I live out the the rural or semi rural area, a semi automatic rifle will be ideal for defense. If I live in an urban area in an apartment, these rifles may not be ideal (unless I convert them to fire pistol rounds) due to risk of over penetration in close quarters. However, (using a 'what if game') if I knew the attackers were wearing soft body armor, I will use my rifle in a heart beat- especially if there are multiple attackers heavily armed. In the LA riots, several people, especially people in Korean Town, used semi automatic rifles to fend off rioters. It really depends on what you need/prepare for and I cannot speak for all gun owners regarding good or bad reasons.

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Thank you sooo much Markus. What I have forgotten is more than you will ever know.

      Choosing armament as you have done, does not include a fully automatic Assault style rifle which was used in Newton.

      Why are you arguing with me. We seem to agree?

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Alberic 0 why do you "hate to feel". Seems to me your gut feelings are right on the money. Demographics and geographics are critical.

      Do not let anyone discount your feelings. Best investigators I have ever worked for were more guts than brains.

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      taburkett 4 years ago

      This hub is just another attempt to restrict my ability to protect and defend my family and home from the criminals.

      The gun laws of this nation only prohibit the innocent, not the deranged criminals that inflict the pain you wish to eliminate.

      During the last 10 years, less than .001% of the deaths in this country have involved a semi-automatic weapon.

      However, during the last 2 years, more than 1.5 million crimes have been overted through the use of semi-automatic weapons.

      As long as the criminals walk the streets and enter homes, I intend to keep my semi-automatic weapons ready to defend my home.

      No law written on a piece of paper will be able to replace the semi-automatic capability - not today - not ever.

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Taburkett, Have you ever been somehow stopped from defending your family and home?

      Have you ever killed someone because they wanted your wifes' purse? Within the last 5 years have you known anyone personally who died at the hands of an intruder?

      Thank you for your service and your desire to speak up on behalf of our constitution. Remember the big 3 greatest rights never include guns. But always include Life.

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      Alberic O 4 years ago from Any Clime, Any Place

      Eric,

      This is a discussion (we don't seem to be arguing, lol). In my case, I'm just trying to answer your question in the eyes of some gun owners such as myself. I generally use gut feeling when I'm in a potentially dangerous situation where de-escalation is going to be difficult or impossible, or if I have to make a quick decision that will affect someone's life/well being. In an discussion like this, I try to use situations that I have experience in real life and/or training and try to avoid 'feelings' in a discussion if possible. In addition, I'm just here to let people understand something that they may not have known.

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      I think you are doing a great job of keeping the issues real and on point. We need this for people to stop only feeling, but we dare not discount those feelings. They are also part of the equation. Thank you for reminding us of that.

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      Alberic O 4 years ago from Any Clime, Any Place

      Thank you.

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