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The Nomination of Judge Kavanaugh to the SCOTUS

Updated on October 15, 2018
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Jack is currently a volunteer at the Westchester County Archives. Jack has worked at IBM for over 28 years.

Introduction

The recent nomination and final confirmation of Brett Kavanauh to the Supreme Court was an abnormal process to say the least. This has long term implications on future events. Let me recap what happened and what to expect going forward.

- Oct. 6, 2018

Updated - Oct. 9, 2018

Background

My commentary here is on a wider scope. It focused on this one nomination but it is really about much more. It is about the survival of our system of government, our rule of law and our Constitutional republic.

Our country is divided and probably was divided every since Bush vs. Gore in the 2000 election. We have had two administrations of Bush for 8 years and Obama for 8 years. These were diatomic opposites. The American people voted and wanted to give each side a chance to rule. In 2016, the people voted again. This time they voted Trump as a rebellion against the status quo, the washington inside establishment, the dysfuctional Congress.

I always said our elected official is a result of history. What do I mean by that?

It was the impeachment of Bill Clinton that lead to the election of GW Bush. It was the failure of Bush’s Iraq war that lead to the election of a new comer named Barack Obama. It was the failures of the progressive agenda of Obama that lead to the election of Trump. History was made in each of these administrations.

Why The Senate is Dysfuctional

This past few weeks, it was front and center for the American people to witness what is going on in the hall of Congress. In specific, in a Senate judiciary hearing. It has demonstrated for me why our government is dysfunctional. They can’t seem to do the basics what they were elected to do. Remember, these are the top 100 people in our nation with many years of experience. Their job in this case is to offer “advice and consent” on a high court nomination.

The final vote was 50-48 to confirm judge Kavanaugh. After a one hour speech given by Senator Susan Collins. As passionate and persuasive as she was, it was a total waste of our nation’s time. Why do I say that?

It is in the job description of these 100 senators. That is what they are elected to do. They are paid to make these tough decisions. It was a waste of our time for the past 3 weeks. The delay tactics used by the democrats did not work and did not change one final vote. Those that were against Kavanaugh from day one still voted against him. They had all the chance to ask questions and they did very little to ask the “right” questions. Instead, they smeared his reputation in front of national TV and his family and his two young kids.

With all due respect to Senator Collins, we don’t need you to tell us how you will vote. If every senator were to do so for evey vote they cast, they would not be able to accomplish very much.

Washington DC is broken. It is not working as it was intended by our founding fathers and our Constitution. What bothers me is these are the very people that should know better. Do we have so little qualified people that we elected these people to govern us? How sad is that?

The Job of the Senate

One of the Constitutional duties of the Senate Body is advice and consent in the appointment of the Supreme court justices.

In the United States, "advice and consent" is a power of the United States Senate to be consulted on and approve treaties signed and appointments made by the President of the United States to public positions, including Cabinet secretaries, federal judges, United States Attorneys, and ambassadors.

It is not their job to investigate events that happened 36 years ago. What relevance does that have with the ability of the nominee to do their job? In the worst case scenario, if Dr. Ford had reported this incident when it happened, and suppose young Kavanaugh had done what she claimed during a drinking party, the case would have been adjudicated and the case would have been sealed. They were both teenagers. We have these rules to protect youthful indiscretions. The point I am making is that events of that period should have no bearing on the qualification of Brett Kavanaugh to serve as judge today. Not one question by the Senators had any reference to his over 300 written opinions as circuit judge. How come?

Who is Brett Kavanaugh?

Before July 10, I had no idea who Brett Kavanaugh is as with most Americans. We learned about him over the three weeks of the Senate Judiciary hearings. He was top in his class at Yale law school. He is a Catholic. He is married with two young daughters. He is a volunteer coach of basketball at his daughter’s school. He volunteer at his church in soup kitchen.

He has clerked for Justice Kennedy. He served on the circuit court in DC for 12 years. He has written over 300 opinions. He is rated fully qualified by the American Bar Association.

Another word, he is one of the best conservative judge we have today.

His name appeared on Trump’s short list of potential candidates announced prior to Trump’s election to the presidency. This was no secret.

The Corruption of the Process...

The nomination process was hijacked by Senator Diane Feinstein. She withheld information from the Chairman during the three weeks of the hearing. At the eleventh hour, she or her staff leaked a secret letter from Dr. Ford. This initiated a two week circus that included delay, allegations, smear and rumors and testimonies... that included questions by Senators about a high school calendar. How insane was that?

Then, they demanded an FBI investigation into events that happened 36 years ago. What did they expect the FBI to do? They do not have a magic time machine to go back and take a video of what happened in a house full of drunken high school partiers. It was a she said he said situation.

The Game Change - “The Kavanaugh standard” ?

What is so different about this time? With the charges leveled by Dr. Ford, we have entered a new phase. One that is contrary to our system of laws and justice. The game changing standard is now you are guilty if a charge is leveled at you from a women. You have to prove your innocence even if is something that allegedly happened over 35 years ago.

Every man, every mother of sons, every wife, every daughter of fathers, should be afraid. This new standard set by democrats is just unfair and against our justice system.

If this is allowed to stand unchallenged, it will turn the whole world up side down. The rule of law is on the chopping block. If it can happen to Judge Kavanaugh, it can happen to anyone.

This is not a rebuke of the #metoo movement. In those cases, like Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, Matt Lauer and Charlie Rose...there were collaboration. There were a pattern of many victims with similar stories. There were evidence and confirmation by others...

Dangerous Precedence

The danger is setting up a precedence for all future nominations. I don’t care if you are a republican or a democrat, you need to understand what is happening. Right now, the GOP is in control of all branches of government. They will not always have that power. In a few years, the Democrats could take over. It is the nature of politics.

The question for democrats is would you be comfortable with this new “standard” applied to a liberal judge being appointed by a democratic president in the future?

The “shoe on the other foot“ test. It is a good way to check our own biases. Make no mistake about it, we are all biased one way or another.

The Resistance Tactics

Let me address those who claim Republicans are using unfair tactics in this nomination process. Let me remind you what happened the last time the Democrats had power. It was in 2010 when President Obama said “elections have consequences...” Along with the House and Senate, they passed a major piece of legislation, the Affordable Care Act or better known as Obamacare, without one single GOP vote.

The GOP along with the TEA party grass root movement went ahead and won elections after elections culminating in the win of Trump in 2016.

That is the proper way to resist.

Instead, this past few weeks, we saw a different resistant movement by the left. They protested, they ambushed Senators in the hallway and elevator, they denied Senators and Congressmen eating in restaurants and they leaked private information of elected officials in hope of people getting in their face. These are similar to tactics used by the brown shirts in the 1930s Germany. These are not the behavior of a free republic standing up for our Constitution, the rule of law and due process.

Both Sides Are Equally at Fault?

Many in the middle will level the charge at both the left and the right as extreme and make the equivalence argument. I disagree. It is much worst on the left. The behavior of some is bordering on fascism. These people are not open minded. They don’t want to hear from all sides. They are against the first amendment.

In fact, I challenge you to bring forth any proof that the right does the same thing as exhibited by the left in recent days. Like shouting into faces of senators. Like protesting in front of people’s homes. Throwing people that they disagree with out of restaurants. Like public shaming and calling for more resistance. These are tactics used by the brown shirts in Nazi Germany. Again, I challenge you to find equivalency in the right or the TEA party movement.

Another indicator that the left and the right are not equal. You will not find an article like mine written by some liberal commentator.

The Anti-Trump Hysteria

Trump Derangement Syndrome, TDS is a real phenonmenon. It has been exhibited by a host of people both on the media and in Hollywood and entertainment industry. They apparently just can’t help themselves. It has been going on since 2016 and now it has infiltrated every aspect of our government. From the Mueller investigation into Rissian collusion to the nomination of a Supreme court justice.

The Average American

If you are an average American, not the politically engaged or activist, you are presented with the following.

A party who is against Trump, against his many policies, make America Great Again, against building the Wall, and against the rule of law, against fair trade...

You have to ask is this a smart move?

People vote their pocket books. “It’s the economy stupid” was the slogan of a democratic strategist during the Clinton years.

Can a party in 2018 survive by standing with a socialist, against big business, against the American worker, against tax cuts, and against the rule of law?

At the same time, supports undocumented immigrants, sanctuary cities, BLM, socialism and feminists?

The American public is not naive to think a politician tells the truth, or is pure as snow...They have separated the man from the office and his policies. They can admire a President like JFK and forgive all his flaws. They made the same decision when it came to Bill Clinton. Now, they have made the same choice when it comes to Trump.

Trump Delivered...

  • Appointed two Conservative Originalist to the Supreme Court
  • Passed major tax reform law
  • Removed two regulations for every new one added
  • Recognized Jerusalem as the Capitol of Israel
  • Decimated ISIS
  • Sat down and talked to North Korea
  • Canceled the Iran Nuclear deal
  • Renogotiated trade deal with Canada and Mexico - replaced NAFTA with USCMTA.
  • Rebuilding our military readiness
  • started building the wall on our southern border
  • DOW at all time high of 26,800

A Reaganesque Speech by Trump...

The Dishonest Main Stream Media

Our country is divided. Part of the reason is we have opposing opinions. What makes it worse is a dishonest media who tip the scale in one direction. The charge of “fake news” is just one aspect. The media has many tricks in its arsenal. They can be biased in what they choose to report or ignore. They can “spin” a story and focus on the negative. They fail to do diligence to verify their story and sources. By publishing leaks and anonymous stories, they are becoming like yellow journalism instead of main stream media.

If there is one lesson to be learned by this circus, it is the media cannot be trusted any more. They have reneged on their constitution duty to be the watchdog of our elected officials. They are participating in the destruction of a candidate they disagree with. In other words, they are playing politics with the news.

A day of reckening is coming. They do not have a monopoly any more. The people have many options. There is newspapers, TV, cable, talk radio and the internet. The people can vote with their pocket books.

Just last week, the New York Times published a front page story on Trump’s family taxes. What is the relevancy of that on President Trump? Would the NYT publish a similar story on Joseph Kennedy when JFK was president? No. Why not?

They spent one year digging into this story. Thry found no wrong doing by Donald Trump. It takes nothing away from all his accomplishments prior to bring elected President. This was a hit piece. Is that “all the news fit to print”...

In a week where Trump renegotiated a major trade deal with Canada and Mexico, the NYT was absent is reporting on the good news. One that will benefit many American workers and farmers. Instead, they chose to stroke the flame that divide us. Shame on the NYT.

72% of the People Do Not Trust the Media

A Personal Observation and Theory

Have seen the past two year play out, I have an observation and a theory as to what happened to us.

Here is what I think took place and you can take it or leave it. It is my theory.

When Trump came down that escalator and declared he was running for president, it was seen by most politically estute people that it was a joke. How can someone with his baggage, think he can just come in and run for the highest office in the land? It had never happened before. They never took him seriously. Besides, he was crude and said things with a bluntness that no politician in the past has said or done. However, Trump tapped into the anger and disgust that many people was experiencing and this was aimed at Washington. He gave those people a voice. Remember, at the time, he was running against 16 other established GOP candidates. Some were very good Senators or Governors in their own right. Yet, one by one, Trump defeated them. Meanwhile, the dishonsest media started portraying Trump as this monster. They use a piece of his message and spin it to mean something worse. The classic example is the statement he made about illegal immigrants from Mexico. The media turned his speech into one about how Trump attacked all Mexicans and made him out to be a xenophobe. This distorted message resonated with many on the Democratic side. It is as if people were getting validated by how they feel about him. If the media said so, it must be true. It is the media that was preaching to the choir. They, instead of reporting on the news, became an advocate for one party over another. After all, most are them are liberal and agree with the democratic agenda. They must stop the opposition at all cost.

After Trump was elected, in a surprise upset over Hillary Clinton, the media and the Democrats went into mourning. They just cannot believe the American people could vote for this racist, misogynists for President. A caricature of Trump created by the media. Their reporting of Trump became more negative. Over 90% of the stories on Trump was negative. They choose to ignore all the good he has done and spin some stories to be negative.

In addition, some in the media and in Hollywood were overcomed with TDS, that they went over board and even ended up being detrimental to their own careers. Brian Ross of CBS is one example.

The truth is Trump is not this caricature they created. Trump has always said he ran for president to make America first and MAGA. In any other time, and with any other candidate, this would have been a winning message. However, with Trump, the media turned this as a bad thing. They called it popularism, and nationalism and dangeous for the world. They forgot one thing. They and most of Americans are patriots and believe in America and our exceptionalism. It became a bad and unpopular position for them to take.

Here is the bottom line. Those who have bought into this lie about Trump are going down a rabbit hole and one that has no easy way back. How can one accuse Trump of being a racist and take it back later? You can’t.

Follow-Up...

Now that the debate on the nomination is over, it is important to follow up and see which side was right. Which media was correct in the assessment of this man? Which predictions will come true or not? Over the next year, I hope everyone will examine how justice Kavanaugh rule. Read his opinions and see if he is true to the Constitution. The real test of the qualification of anyone is results. Does he deliver?

I implore everyone reading this article. Don’t stop at this day. Don’t just agree or disagree with me. Let’s carry this forward one year. Let’s wait and see how judge Kavanaugh performs in office. Next year this time, 2019, we would have real evidence.

I want peope to close the loop, and have closure. They were told one thing about this guy and then the reality is something else. I want accountability. I want all those who made unsubstantiated charges on this man to come forward one year from now and see what actually happened. The one CNN commentator Jeffrey Toobin who predicted Roe vs. Wade would be repealed... I want to hear his apology for lying to the American people and his audience.

Summary

I decided to write this article because I care about the big picture. It was not just about this one nomination. It is about the survival of our democracy. If we continue down this road, there will be a civil war. It has reach a critical tipping point. It is beyond the point where people with different ideas can compromise and debate and come together for the greater good. These extremists must be defeated lock stock and barrel. We cannot allow the mob to rule. There is no compromise with them.

My hope for our nation going forward is that the common sense of everyone dictates how we proceed. We can debate and disagree and discuss problems and solutions and yet have civility. Let’s not impugn a person’s integrity for holding on their believes. Let’s be respectful of all sides but let the results rule the day.

My hope is that in a future Democratic administration, when he nominates a qualified Supreme Court justice, that the GOP would reframe from using the same tactics. I am a conservative and part of being a conservstive is to be consistent in my belief. I have no allegiance to the GOP. My allegiance is to the Constitution.

Postscript - Who is to blame for this circus?

In all political confrontations, there are winners and losers.

Here are some who I considered losers and to be blamed for most of what transpired.

  • The Biased Main Stream Media
  • The Never Trumpers
  • George Soros Funded Groups
  • Some Senators - including Diane Feinstein
  • Some House Members including Maxine Waters
  • Some America public - for falling for this charade
  • Google and social media

The winners are:

  • President Trump
  • Brett Kavanaugh
  • Conservatives
  • The Constitution
  • The America People

The Kavanaugh Effect on the Midterm Election - Oct. 16, 2018

I decided to add a postscript to my article. It seems the effect on the mid-term off year election is gaining steam. The behavior and protests by Democrats have had a negative effect on the party. Even the polls have shown a decine of the blue wave that was predicted just prior to the Kavanaugh nomination.

I was never convinced of a blue wave especially with the current state of the economy. The people generally vote their pocket books. When times are good and jobs are plenty and rising wages and tax cuts... it seems like a no brainer. However, the anti-Trump groups are out there and helped by the main stream media, have generated significant resistence.

Here is my prediction, after many years of observation as a conservative voter in a blue state of New York. I am a small minority In this part of the country.

I predict the GOP will gain in the Senate a few seats to increase their majority. How many is questionable. In the House, I also predict the GOP will maintain their majority and either keep the same numbers or gain a few seats. These prediction are contrary to some polling results. Then again, the same polls were wrong in 2016 about Trump.

The main drivers are the booming economy and the Kavanaugh hearing debacle. The democrats have over played their hands. There is anger out there and they are focused on the unruly mob and socialists that has taken over the Democratic party. Most clear thinking Americans reject both. They want peace and law and order and they want properity at home. They also believe in fairness and the Constitution. The Democrats need to embrace these basic principles if they ever want to get back power again.

© 2018 Jack Lee

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    • jackclee lm profile imageAUTHOR

      Jack Lee 

      6 weeks ago from Yorktown NY

      We should all be color blind and hope for prosperity for all our people. When the companies do well, they hire workers, invest in new plants...everyone will do better. A rising tide raise all boats, the poor and the weak included.

      How politicians can’t see that is a mystery for me. Why punish one group to help the other when you can help everyone live better...?

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      Brad Masters 

      6 weeks ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Mike

      Your problem and that of democrats is they can't wait for the facts to catch up with reality. You personally want the economy and the country to fail so you can blame it on president Trump, the republicans and anyone that supports them.

      That is verifiable based on the statements made in public by the democrats on resisting the president from accomplishing anything, and finding a basis to impeach him because he beat Hillary so bad in her fixed rigged for her presidential attempt. She couldn't even beat Sanders. While Donald Trump not only beat 17 of the best that the republicans threw at him, but he trounce her in the only vote that elects a president, the electoral college 304 to 230. That is a trouncing, especially when all the democrats, and their democrat media predicted he couldn't make it to 270.

      The democrats like Nancy Pelosi says collateral damage to take down president Trump is OK. Instead of hoping that the economy tanks and the stock market with it, why can't you support it and make it better?

      What the democrats propose to do if they get control is to substantially raise taxes, they also want the government to nationalize health care. How is that going to help the economy and the stock market.

      They also want to bring any and all people that can make it across our democrats enabled open border.

      What do you as a very old white dude get out of those democrat goals?

    • jackclee lm profile imageAUTHOR

      Jack Lee 

      6 weeks ago from Yorktown NY

      Mike, yes but what is the alternative?

      I am retired and built up a nice nestegg. I cannot put it under my matress or in a bank and get 0.1% return...

      The market is the only place to invest.

      The thing is to be smart and not panic and jnderstand there will be ups and downs... and all is well.

      The underlying economy under Trump is good.

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      Mike Russo 

      6 weeks ago from Placentia California

      Jack and Brad: I understand the long term strategy. The market trend in the long term is always up. However, when there is a more than a 2,000 point crash in a few days, that is significant. I like to understand the underlying cause and share that. Yes, I'm trying to prove a point that I do understand the market

      Brad says there was a 40% gain in the last 3 years including this crash. That means nothing going forward. You can always look at several years of the Dow and see that the trend is always up.

      However when there is a crash, the market never recovers immediately, it takes time as it stair-steps back up. That time it takes to recover is the space we live in; not years in the past and not years into the future. It is one of the indicators of the economy now.

      Maybe this will help you see where I'm coming from.

      https://on.mktw.net/2SjI97N

    • jackclee lm profile imageAUTHOR

      Jack Lee 

      6 weeks ago from Yorktown NY

      By the way, not to self promote, I wrote a few articles on investing and collected them into a hubbook.

      Here it is and it may help some newcomers on investing for the long haul.

      “hubpages.com/money/My-Hubbook-on-Finance”

    • jackclee lm profile imageAUTHOR

      Jack Lee 

      6 weeks ago from Yorktown NY

      Mike, I appreceiate you sharing your views on the current economy. I was travelling yesterday during the big correction and did not have a chance to respond. The point is the market is always going to have periodic ups and downs. The history of the market is one of change. It is a free market in the sense someone buy and some sells. There are some underlying structures that are undesirable in my personal opinion which makes it more speculative. Things like high frequency trading, and shorting and buying on margins are all contributing to the volitility. That being said, the long term trend of the market reflects the growing investment of companies and progress and innovation and competition...and wealth creation. If you compare our standard of living today with just 10 years ago, it is better in many ways. So, to answer your question, these large corrections are part of the scheme. There will be winners and losers both in companies and individual investors. Which one do you want to be?

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      Brad Masters 

      6 weeks ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Mike

      You are the king of gloom and doom. You have no knowledge from your comments that you know much about the stock market.

      Take a look at the 5 year value of it. Take a look at the peak and the drop of this period and you notice a similar one the preceded in the beginning of the year.

      The three year gain is just under 40% even with today's number.

      You must be a day trader because only day traders look at today.

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      Mike Russo 

      6 weeks ago from Placentia California

      Jack, T, and Brad: The Dow closed down 600 points today, erasing all the gains for the year. Yes T. and there was another head and shoulders formation, just prior to the drop.

      There are several factors involved. The increase in interest rates is causing people to take their money out of bank savings accounts and placing it where they can get better interest. Much of that money was used by the banks to provide loans. Without that money banks become less liquid, thus affecting business for short term loans.

      Yesterday Caterpillar and 3M had a huge downturn because of Trump's tariffs. Their cost of raw materials from China have gone up so high, it has affected their earnings

      The third thing is the flight to safety from stocks to the bond markets where the yields are increasing as a result of higher interest rates by the feds.

      You can believe me or don't. I don't care, but I just put it out there for you. Brad called me doom and gloom. I say I'm a realist. T, so much for his entire family 60+ years as investors.

    • jackclee lm profile imageAUTHOR

      Jack Lee 

      6 weeks ago from Yorktown NY

      Sanxuary, you said it. Things have gone down hill since 2006. Guess who was in charge from 2008-2016?

      In my own case, what has been worst is my health insurance. The ACA has made my insurance cost much higher and less benefits. I basically pay out of pocket for everything. I have a high deductible plan where the first 3000 is my liability. Luckily, I am healthy and need very little healthcare or prescription drugs.

      Since 2017, I have received approx. 1500 fed. Income tax reduction as a result of the tax reform. My IRA has increased by 30% in real dollars since I am invested in the market and it has gone up by that much. I am retired and have a pension and collecting social security. This coming year, my social security will rise by 2.8% adjusted for inflation. It has been flat for last 10 years. I can go on but no need. If I am feeling positive about our future, so are millions like me.

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      Sanxuary 

      6 weeks ago

      I see a progressive movement in very democratic states but the moderate democrats in mostly red ststes are actually moderate republicans. The Republican party has gone to far for moderate republicans to run as republicans. You claim the Democratic Senators need to go but the Republicans have been in charge and they have solved nothing despite being in the majority. A tax break for the rich has done nothing for ordinary people. You can have all the jobs you want but no one is making a living wage.No one I know who is democrat or republican supports socialisn but no one can afford health care and no one wants to work until they are 100 years old. The third party is the party we should be worried about. If our government no longer represents all Americans and can no longer find the middle ground then we will see the rise of those who hate both party's. A good example is immigration its a problem. The problem began decades ago and was started by the party of money. No one making money on imigration wants the problem solved. Your Republican party with the power to do anything it wants has not done one thing to solve anything on immigration. An executive order by the president decided to take children from their parents and farm them out to adoption agency's thus making them American citizens any way is the worst of dumb I have ever heard. With a rising deficit to give the rich a tax break I am having a difficult time finding one thing that has changed in my life. Nothing has changed since 2006 when the economy crashed. So it must be the constant drain on civilization as we watch our country get flushed down the toilet daily by the Trump Springer show that 40 percent of the country enjoys so much. You honestly can not tell me one good thing that has changed. Maybe you can tell me something the Republicans have done that made your life better.

    • jackclee lm profile imageAUTHOR

      Jack Lee 

      7 weeks ago from Yorktown NY

      Sanctuary,

      Just the opposite. There are at least 40% Republicans...some more Conservatives... It is the democrats that have lost out. More are going socialist... this Kavanaugh nomination exposed these Democratic Senators for whom they really are and represents. They need to be voted out office. We cannot have people in government who subverts our laws and do not stand up for our Constitution.

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      Sanxuary 

      7 weeks ago

      Reading the comments i am happy to notice that people are tired of the non-facts machine. There are no violent Democrats just people who realized the Republicans represent a very small minority. In fact no minority in this country is Represented by Republicans not even the gender majority of women. This is not the anger of Democrats its the anger of anyone who is a normal decent person and anyone who believes in democracy. The mid-terms are keeping people civilized at this point. So how come you make it out to be something it has not become. There are radicals on each side but they seldom report anything on them. I have seen normal people doing what is allowed and to be honest I wish we were all those things you want others to believe. I think everyone denied to vote in the mid-terms as the Republicans try to stop them should be really angry. I do not live in any of those states and regardless of who is elected no mob will be ruling anyone so you can stop with the nonsense. Kavanaugh was the worst choice and the most un-popular choice ever made. I never cared about any of his issues ever mentioned. It was the issue never mentioned because the documents were sealed and never allowed to be discussed. He had a lot to do with the approval of torture durring the Bush years. Soldiers went to prison when they were ordered to toture prisoners. Every year, every soldier was taught the Geneva Convention and the rules of warfare. We still do not know if this judge who was a lawyer at the time for the white house was responsible for violating our long held agreements and what hand he had in approving the violation in our use of torture.

    • jackclee lm profile imageAUTHOR

      Jack Lee 

      7 weeks ago from Yorktown NY

      Thanks to all for reading my hub. The comment section is now closed to all future posts. My suggestions is for all concerned to take some time off. This was a contentious topic. I am glad to be the source of some heart felt debate.

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      Paula 

      7 weeks ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Are you out of meds? Need a loan to pick up your prescription? You just sit tight. I'll get them for you. I'm quite experienced in caring for the mentally ill, especially the delusional.

      "Shunning".....you mean shunning like the wacko Jehovah Witnesses do? So, now you think you're in a religious cult?

      Someone just sent me your article on The Wizard of OZ with your nearly 100 delirious & rambling comments to yourself. They thought I could use a laugh. I actually don't find it funny. It's seriously pathetic and I sure as hell, REST MY CASE.

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      Leslie McCowen 

      7 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

      No, I won’t shoo. You go. You don’t like me, you stay away. You were not involved in any conversations until you came on here to denigrate me.

      You don’t own hubpages, nor do you own opinions.

      And I’ve had enough of your abuse. I showed my lawyer that comment of yours about keeping me in Old Colony with my dumb husband, and he asked if it was a real threat, or just some idiot,

      Im done playing around. You make personally insulting comments, you are getting reported. It’s about time someone reported you.

      And keep my name out of your mouth.

    • tsadjatko profile image

      7 weeks ago from now on

      Jack, I agree with Paula, it's time to shut off comments here, at least for a while. You aren't getting anyone new and the rest is getting pretty old.

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      Leslie McCowen 

      7 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Uh oh....is she mailing everyone telling them not to interact with me? Bad enough she goes on hubs and threatens people if they dare to let me comment.

      Does hubpages know about this? Do they know she says she decides who deserves to be a member, and encourages other hubbers to shun people?

      And why? Ask her. And tell her to be honest.

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      Paula 

      7 weeks ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      And you have a reading comprehension issue, which is not surprising. YOU claimed someone has to "look for info." I said there are is MUCH info available in many forms AND that I follow numerous cases. I do not recall reading about any "specific" person being suspected since there were MANY suspected. Or are YOU going to pretend you are unaware of that fact??!

      "On your case?" Is that what you call someone telling you they find you a whining, driveling, empty mouthpiece of liberal talking points? LOL

      Look, Leslie, I told you, don't keep coming back with garbage you know nothing about. I have no time to waste on your sordid mistakes in life. Those are your problems. Keep yourself busy by memorizing more outrageous talking points, which is all you ever spew.

      I certainly know enough to believe Chris is not guilty. Will it ever be solved? In our messed up Justice system? Ha! That's a real crap shoot. My late husband (an Attorney) and I worked for years with individuals involved in the Innocence Project. Do you have any clue the enormous number of alleged wrongly convicted that exist?

      Don't waste your energy trying to play games with me. I won't play, although you are somewhat entertaining in a twisted sort of way. Especially when you think you can go up against an intellectual superior. Now, go on, GIT! Shoo, fly!

    • tsadjatko profile image

      7 weeks ago from now on

      Paula, i haven’t been checking that email address because frankly I figured mine automatically went to spam.

      I’ll look at it now.

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      Leslie McCowen 

      7 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

      You just got busted. If you had read hundreds of articles on it, you would know exactly who this person is.

      Its the one all of us down here think really killed her.

      So much for your phony story. Now. why are you really on my case?

      And im so glad hubpages doesnt allow personal attacks. LOL

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      Paula 

      7 weeks ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Leslie...you poor pathetic blind, deaf & dumb individual. Have to look for it? Do you live under a rock on another planet? There are hundreds of articles, videos & documentaries on this case that has been high profile for over a decade. Just what the hell do you mean, "have to look for it??" I follow dozens and dozens of cases.

      As far as your driveling babble about some dude you have pointed out molested a child.....I don't know him nor his story. Child molesters in my opinion deserve to be shot on sight. Nothing more nothing less......and referring racism to me, of all people, is the stupidest thing you've said thus far! I am the least racist person you'll ever know. My entire family is completely multi-racial, multi-cultural. I am the mother of 2 bi-racial fabulous sons. But you wouldn't know that because you're too friggan busy shooting off your ignorant mouth about shit you know NOTHING about. Like I said, best thing for you to do is sit down and shut up, at least until you actually KNOW something. You're so wrapped up in screeching your liberal talking points, I guess you didn't know I received a letter of gratitude from the family of Trayvon Martin for my HP open letter to George Zimmerman.......So, shove your stupid racism comment, up your ignorant butt, until you learn to use your brain more than your mouth! Try to get a grip, Leslie...you are really extremely F- - ked up!! Big time. You'd be hilariously funny if you weren't so annoying!

      Do not say another word to me or about me until you KNOW what the F- -ck you're talking about. And we all know that will never happen! So, One more time big mouth with nothing but crap coming out of it.... sit down and shut up. Racism isn't nearly as ugly as the monsters in your head!

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      Paula 

      7 weeks ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      OK T...Feel better now? I hope so. Seriously. It's not a matter of "ingratiating," T, & you know it. I'm not going to bore you by repeating what I already explained to you in an email. Fair is fair and enough is enough....just my opinion of which I'm entitled just as you are.

      You also know that few of us know one another on a "personal" level, although we often take things quite personally. Of course I'm painfully aware of the "priest mess." Not sure what your point is there.

      If we can just agree to disagree, that would be nice. OK? If not, I'm sorry but I've run out of options. I can honestly see both sides of an argument now & then. Is that such a terrible thing? Peace out, T, Paula

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      Leslie McCowen 

      7 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

      All over? Not really. You have to look for it.

      And you just remind me of the people here who cover for the creeps.

      Not cool to molest a 5 yr old.

      But then, it’s out of the womb, so what does it matter to all of you?

      Was invited to be here, too

      https://www.doctoroz.com/episode/true-crime-tuesda...

      Racism is so ugly

    • tsadjatko profile image

      7 weeks ago from now on

      Paula I understand that after spoiling PPs rant of lies on tsadjatko’s profile and articles you want to ingratiate yourself with him but how can you say someone is a good researcher when he makes excuses for statements he purposely makes that are false or wrong.

      Someone who is a skilled researcher doesn’t give a wrong definition of democracy and republic (and later wants it excused because it was off the top of his head) and then makes it the premise of his argument. A good researcher pays attention to detail and doesn’t use a market stat from early in the day (up 400) when writing a comment about the market “hours” after it closed up 547 points. If he was good he’d have known where the market is at any time of the day is no reflection of where it closed so he’d have checked it before making it part of his argument, yet he said it was up 400 too lazy to make one click of a mouse to see where it closed. And lastly a good researcher doesn’t make up “facts” that aren’t in evidence which he does all the time and if you don’t believe me I can show you tons of examples beyond what he has done here.

      And finally anyone who behaves as he does when commenting on articles, not able to see the truth when it’s put right in front of him, over and over and over and then he makes up things to avoid facing the facts, there is something wrong that doesn’t really go along with the words good and decent in my book. No one can tell if a person is good and decent by just reading his hub pages. Don’t believe me? I’m sure you’ve heard of the Catholic priests’ pedophile practices. How much you want to bet many who even knew these priests personslly, not just read what they wrote, thought they were good and decent? I think you are using those terms here indiscriminately, unless of course you know PP personally, in person, really well...oh and he’s never been a priest. I wonder if his opinion on abortion, especially late term abortion would change your mind.

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      Paula 

      7 weeks ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Defending someone??? Part of a coverup team??? Wow! Paranoid much?? Take your meds girl!!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvaAa09bjGs

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      Paula 

      7 weeks ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Surely Mrs. McCowen, you are not addressing me! I'm not DEFENDING any dude anywhere for any reason. I have no clue who the hell the man in your link is. Should I? Don't know him, don't care to.

      What the F- ck is the big "Mystery" about what you do?? You're all over You Tube! Public knowledge, up front, personal and vocal. No mystery, You're infamous! LOL.

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      Paula 

      7 weeks ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      This is the beauty of living in America. We are all entitled to our own opinions in pretty much every arena. One area there's no side-stepping and that of course is crime. Some of us know murder is wrong, against the law and a sign of serious sickness. Then again, some think nothing of the act of puncturing the skull of a perfectly formed baby, brutally yanked from a mother's womb (at her request) to make certain this baby dies. Those savages are the Late term abortion supporters....Hillary-ites...and they're ignorant enough to be proud of their crime, as they applaud. Sick bastards.

    • tsadjatko profile image

      7 weeks ago from now on

      Paula, you are eelcome to your opinion of Mike, i don’t read his articled because years ago when i did read one or two he deleted my comments pointing out his errors or tactics. The times I have ebgaged him in comments he has always used condescension, false premises, twist what you say or restates it putting words in your mouth. I have tins of comments, even from you, on other hub pages taking issue with his tactics and since he insists on coming back here with lies and innuendo, as I said I will post one everytime he does. Read all of my comments to him on this hubpage and you will see how often right here he pulls his tactics and this is just the top of the iceberg of his diabolical comments and loony reasoning. If you think that’s an a example of good research and facts I beg to disagree.

      I am insulted by his tactics which are an insult to anyone’s intelligence who tries to debate (better word is debunk) him.

      So here you go, just one if many examples of how he buggered with this author:

      My Two Pennies to PP

      21 months ago from United States

      Nice back peddling, but you misquoted me, putting " "s around and claiming word I never said. You can see it just two comments up. Ironically the pice of commentary you were referencing was referring to a liberal's quote as they tried to rewrite history, much as you're doing now... I thought it was common knowledge that it's a grammatical no-no to quote something incorrectly, especially for someone such as yourself that actually does and has labeled others as "dumb" in this very comment section.

      Blissful ignorance does not equate dumb and you know it - leaving you either grasping at straws to explain why you misquoted me, or not as smart as you would like to believe.

      Blissful ignorance in the context I used it in clearly means those that remain happily uniformed or desiring to ignore the truth. Paint it anyway you want, you're wrong.

      Funny how identifying your clear condescension towards anyone that disagrees with you triggers such a tantruming response. Even after all your failed efforts, it does still give me a good laugh to see what was drummed up to counter...

      and here is the link if you want more context, oh, and Paula, you’re not to happy with PP’s comment on this hub page either.

      https://hubpages.com/politics/A-Tribute-to-Liberal...

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      Leslie McCowen 

      7 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Here’s the guy you’re defending

      https://www.capecodtimes.com/news/20180105/child-r...

      And it’s more a mystery how u would know what I do. Not part of the coverup team, are u?

      I always though your animosity towards me was strange.

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      Paula 

      7 weeks ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Not hard to see at all. I agree

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvaAa09bjGs

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      Leslie McCowen 

      7 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Not hard to see who the uncivil ones are here, Jack.

      Unhinged is very apt.

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      Paula 

      7 weeks ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Too bad getting off on murdered babies isn't an actual crime. The next visit to "Old Colony," they could just keep her there with her special guy. ( It sure is a mystery how you play Scrabble with a mentally challenged man who can't spell, but why let a little thing like that stop you?) Nothing like maintaining the status of pond scum. Low life stick with low life. Anything said by them is worth less than nothing.

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      Jack Lee 

      7 weeks ago from Yorktown NY

      Yes, better venting here on HubPages than rioting in the street or getting into people’s face in public restaurants...

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      Leslie McCowen 

      7 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

      You need help. But I see full well why you voted for Trump.

      God help this country.

      And Jack, no need to apologize or do anything on your own hub. My comment was directed at those on hubpages who throw stones, but live in glass houses.

      I respect that you allow all comments. It’s called freedom of speech.

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      Mike Russo 

      7 weeks ago from Placentia California

      T: I didn't check for the latest reading on the stock market today. The last time I checked it was up 400. So that gives you the justification to say what goes into my head never comes out the way ii went in?

      You are a cruel person. I only attack you because you attacked me first and that is a fact. What you are calling an attack is my defense of you. You are much better at it than I am because you are cruel and hypocritical person.

      What you call me lying and cognitive impairment is me getting things wrong. I can admit that, can you? There is a difference in that and intentional lying. But you love to twist things to make liberals look bad. And I have to admit, you are very good at it. You love to attack people that you don't like and accuse them of having all types of mental problems, when you damn well know they don't.

      The problem is you are hypocrite that loves to twist what I say. I am not a liar, and I am not mentally impaired in any way shape or form, but you are an extremely cruel person with an acerbic tongue.

      Please explain this. You commented on my hub page about Cambridge Analytica and you used a strange URL. Do you remember this? That is what made me think you were banned and came back as a guest.

      "TSAD: It didn't have anything to do with being dishonest. It had to do with me researching that you had this strange URL https:// www.consumeraffairs.com/ online/ hubpages. html" Can you explain why you had that URL?

      I told you I use research and analysis as a technical writer and then you ridiculed me because it was not in the academic sense. You even checked my profile and said I was lying because it never mentioned research and analysis. Then you went to your friends and verified that technical writers don't use research and analysis. But you are wrong because there are many types of technical writers. And with the type of technical writing I did, I used it extensively, just not in the academic sense.

      It's interesting, your profile doesn't say anything about you, but yet you chastise me for not listing research and analysis in my profile. Like I said before, You are a hypocrite.

      Thank you Paula for standing up for me. I think T will ignore what you said about me. Because that will destroy his whole agenda as to why he insults me and makes personal attacks on my character. He doesn't realize that all of this bickering is counter-productive because he revels in it. His game is in order to make himself look good, he has to make others look bad, when in fact, they are not. They just have a different set of values and beliefs than he does, but I don't think he is adult enough to understand that, So therefore he insults the "others."

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      Paula 

      7 weeks ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      LMAO! Look Ms. Cape Cod, If Jack will allow your kind of drivel and insanity on his thread, he'll allow anything! People on this site do not want you within 20 miles of their sites. You must be aware of this since you post your OWN comments on your own articles.....80 to 100 of them on one thread and yours are the ONLY ones posted!! LOL! You don't even realize how looney that proves you are.

      T, Mike is a good and decent individual and he writes excellent articles based upon research and facts. I believe he is correct in being very insulted by your continual attacks (merely because he's a liberal). Personally, I don't understand why you do this?

      As for what's her name....she doesn't even deserve to be a member here.

      Jack...really?? You apologize to her? Good grief, man. What do you mean, "you'll try to do better at monitoring?" You have all comments sent to you for approval BEFORE you even post them! The second you see her name, you should simply DELETE! Tell us, Jack, Why do you approve her liberal garbage when you claim to be a dedicated conservative?

      Yes, that's right, Cape Cod loon...I said, "Shut up and sit down" and I said I would "delete you so fast, it would snap your abortion-loving neck."...and look, I just said it again. Just how many thousands of deaths CAUSED BY LATE TERM ABORTIONS have you cheered on?? You sanction murder of fully formed babies and you have the audacity to be abhorred by someone's words?? YOU are the one who should be ashamed to show your face but you're too friggin ignorant to have any shame!! You're a disgusting hypocrite. And now YOU can shut up & sit down. Go count the number of dead babies outside your abortion clinics. That should keep you busy for a while! Damned cheerleader of murder!

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      Jack Lee 

      7 weeks ago from Yorktown NY

      Leslie, sorry about not being diligent in my monitoring of comments. I will try and do better in the future.

    • tsadjatko profile image

      7 weeks ago from now on

      PP you can't get anything right, the Dow was up 547 points today, not 400. You really need to get some cognitive help. What goes in your head never comes out like it went in.

      PP, now that Paula debunked your attack of false premises of innuendo and lies on tsadjatko you've defaulted to your "such a victim of personal attacks". My accurate observations and pointing out diabolical tactics you use in discussions, making up things, is not a personal attack, but you my friend are far more guilty of personal attacks because your personal attacks on me aren't based on anything I discuss but purely childish revenge for me calling you out on constant deception you use.

      Making up stories like I've been banned just proves again that's what you do, twist what's said, put words in people's mouths, and make up things- you are a disgrace to rational people. Now you've sunk so low you threaten me. Well I've a threat for you. Keep up your lies and I'll start posting the comments I have saved from other hubbers you've harassed who called you out on the same stuff I did.

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      Jack Lee 

      7 weeks ago from Yorktown NY

      T, my interaction with Trump goes back more than 10 years. I wrote a hub on Trump State Park long before he decided to run for president. I knew what kind of person he was... but I also know he was a businessman and quite the success at that. I was just not sure he would make a good President and a conservative. That is why I struggled and made the decision to sit it out. After his election, I was glad to see him rule actually as a conservative. His policies of tax reform and reduced regulations and appointment of Gorsuch convinced me. He succeeded more than I expected. The only one lacking is building that wall and that one was side tracked by the GOP leaders in the Senate and House. I can’t blame him for not getting it done this 2 years. You can bet, I will be on board in 2020. MAGA.

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      Leslie McCowen 

      7 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Crack jar? Sit down and shut up. Snap your abortion-loving neck......

      Jack, you allow THIS in your comments?

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      Mike Russo 

      7 weeks ago from Placentia California

      T: You do know that your personal attacks on me are violating the Hub Page rules of conduct?

      "Keep it civil. Debate and disagreements on points of substance are okay, but personal attacks, hate speech, petty bickering, trolling, and thread hijacking are not tolerated. By choosing to be civil, you make the discussion better for everyone involved."

      This is your last entry:

      "His tyrade about me being banned and the crazy things he said is just another example of how loony he is and how his mind works. It's really a deranged mind no matter how you look at it and he has demonstrated just how out of touch with reality he is right here on Jack's hub page over and over. Watch outby the way, his head and shoulders market omen just turned into the biggest one day mrket gain in 6 months (with interest rates up lol) making everything Jack and. I said the truth and PP, well just out of touch with reality. Lol don't invest with him!"

      Head and shoulders is what signaled the crash and it hasn't recovered it was up 400 points today, but it has a long way to go to get back to where it was before the crash.

      Please stop your personal attacks on me. I know you think it is great fun to ridicule me, and it makes you feel wonderful and powerful, but your are down right cruel and if your not careful, there could be consequences. I know and you know I'm not any of those things you say I am. I'm a liberal and you hate me for that, so in your perverse mind, you have to go on the personal attack of all liberals. I seen your comments cruel and personal attacks on other sites about liberals. Did Frank Truek teach you how to be cruel? Is that what your version of Christianity is all about? I have mentioned his name several times and you have yet to comment on him.

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      Paula 

      7 weeks ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      To be perfectly honest, T....my intention was not necessarily "to set anyone in particular, straight,,,,nor to defend another." I simply felt all the speculation needed to end. Since I am privy to the facts, & especially because I donned you "T," I thought I should speak up.

      And, little man from California. Just what the HELL does how many hubs I've written in the past 8 weeks (or in the past 7 years, for that matter) have to do with the friggan price of tea in China?? Getting into the crack jar today, are you? Take a cold shower, child, and then shut up and sit down.

    • tsadjatko profile image

      7 weeks ago from now on

      So Jack, you mean even though Trump was making promises the people wanted you sat out a choice between him and Hiliary? Shame on you!

      Can you imagine where America would be if she won? It wouldn't be America anymore, by now her mob, funders like Harvey Weinstein, First man, Slick Willie, and the rest of her crime syndicate would be running the country....down! https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/its-...

    • tsadjatko profile image

      7 weeks ago from now on

      Paula, we order day = worst day

      lol I have to stop using my phone and go back to the computer. My mind goes faster than my fingers can keep up - maybe I need smaller fingers.

      Jack, do you know where I can get Trump hands?

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      Jack Lee 

      7 weeks ago from Yorktown NY

      My first choice was Ben Carson because he was also an outsider of Washington DC politics. After he dropped out, I went with Ted Cruz. He was the only other politician that was willing to take on the GOP leadership. In fact, I was so against the final two candidates, I chose not to vote in the top of the ticket in 2016. It was only after the election of Trump and the appointment of Gorsuch that slowly I came around to Trump.

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      7 weeks ago from now on

      Paula, thank you for setting PP straight, but everyone knows he just makes things up and can't help himself. His tyrade about me being banned and the crazy things he said is just another example of how loony he is and how his mind works. It's really a deranged mind no matter how you look at it and he has demonstrated just how out of touch with reality he is right here on Jack's hub page over and over. Watch outby the way, his head and shoulders market omen just turned into the biggest one day mrket gain in 6 months (with interest rates up lol) making everything Jack and. I said the truth and PP, well just out of touch with reality. Lol don't invest with him!

      But Paula, prepare yourself because PP isn't going to take you vouching for me laying down... Next you'll be his Target and Leslie, she coming after you!

      I hope they do because they're no match for you on your we order day!

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      Brad Masters 

      7 weeks ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Jack

      Who was your first choice instead of Trump, and why?

      Trump was my only choice in several elections!

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      Brad Masters 

      7 weeks ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Jack

      As to the ps in your article

      "I predict the GOP will gain in the Senate a few seats to increase their majority. How many is questionable. In the House, I also predict the GOP will maintain their majority and either keep the same numbers or gain a few seats. These prediction are contrary to some polling results. Then again, the same polls were wrong in 2016 about Trump."

      B:

      I believe that based on everything that is being done or not done by the left, your prediction would be correct. I also agree as to your reason of how the polls were wrong in the 2016 election.

      The democrats still haven't changed their election strategy from 2016, it is all about being against Trump and anything he accomplishes or sets as his goal. They do it just to be opposite.

      ---------------------------------------------------

      Paula

      You wrote 1 hub in the last eight weeks, and your two lengthy tirades were totally off topic and are exactly the same thing that you blasted Jack about here..

      You have a problem, we both know it.

      "Then again, you have Mr. Brad, self-appointed writer, director & producer of ALL comment threads, continually demanding people REMAIN ON TOPIC! Brad simply refuses to understand that people can and do say what they WANT to say in a comment section, whether it directly relates to the topic or it doesn't, as long as the author allows it. What Brad is actually demanding is that a person answer HIS questions, respond to HIS comments, in the order HE expects & follow HIS lead, stay on line and in focus because HE says so. The only long, overly drawn-out responses belong to Brad. His idea of comments is writing a basic hub within a hub. That annoying habit he has of RE-writing what a reader has submitted and then answering it...as if readers are incapable of following a thread or referencing the prior comment....is laughable. Do people have conversations like that?? No, in fact, we don't. What's with the blow by blow dissertation?? Talk about a precious time-waster!"

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      At least I stay on topic, and I do copy verbatim what someone writes, so I don't misquote them. And yes, I do expect someone to respond to questions I ask about their comments. And I do call them when they go off on a tangent.

      I don't do forums because of that, and I do expect more professionalism in hubs and their comments.

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      Jack Lee 

      7 weeks ago from Yorktown NY

      Mike, I think I can explain it a little better. Conservatives never bought into the compassionate conservative philosophy. That was Bush the senior that coined the term. He lost his 2nd term because he went back on his campaign promise of not raising taxes...

      With regard to Trump, he was not our first choice. However, after he won, and implement conservative policies, many of us were sold.

      As far as being the party of moral principles, that went out the window with Clinton. The reason Trump succeeded where other GOP failed is because he did not take the attacks by the Media. He fought back

      and won. That is what conservatives, or the silent majority, wanted all along. Other GOP candidates like McCain and Romney were not so confrontational but lost. Now do you understand?

      We care about results. We can overlook his huge ego and brash behavior.

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      Paula 

      7 weeks ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Jack... You're entitled to run your site as you choose. I merely gave my opinion for what it may be worth. Please think about your idea of rationalizing comments. How can you justify the NUMBER of comments exchanged between 2 people, could be more pertinent than the substance, content & context of said comments? Truly makes no sense, Jack.

      Then again, you have Mr. Brad, self-appointed writer, director & producer of ALL comment threads, continually demanding people REMAIN ON TOPIC! Brad simply refuses to understand that people can and do say what they WANT to say in a comment section, whether it directly relates to the topic or it doesn't, as long as the author allows it. What Brad is actually demanding is that a person answer HIS questions, respond to HIS comments, in the order HE expects & follow HIS lead, stay on line and in focus because HE says so. The only long, overly drawn-out responses belong to Brad. His idea of comments is writing a basic hub within a hub. That annoying habit he has of RE-writing what a reader has submitted and then answering it...as if readers are incapable of following a thread or referencing the prior comment....is laughable. Do people have conversations like that?? No, in fact, we don't. What's with the blow by blow dissertation?? Talk about a precious time-waster!

      With all the negative issues on this site, I suppose this is one of the more minor, but they all add up to create an ever-increasing desire for people to cut way back on time spent at HP.

      I sincerely do hope you tighten the reins somewhat about what you'll accept. More hubbers should. I allow ZERO nonsense on my own site. It hasn't hurt me in the least. In fact, quite the contrary (if you check out my traffic, you'll see it's quite healthy!) YOU control your own site. It's basically the only thing we do control around here!

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      Ken Burgess 

      7 weeks ago from Florida

      In response to your article Jack, this has been a tragedy for our nation.

      It is my belief that this was a political plot from the outset, a weaponization of an sexual assault accusation for the most political gain the Democrats could get out of it.

      This was an act of total disrespect for every victim of assault every step of the way. It was an effort that totally disrespected the process, and the reason why it is conducted.

      Ford, a clinical psychology professor at Palo Alto University, “specializes in the design and analysis of clinical trials and other forms of intervention evaluation,” according to the university itself. Ford is also a registered Democrat who has given monetary donations to political causes, and has worked in Democratic campaigns.

      She is a political activist with the knowledge and ability of how to approach such an accusation to come across as most believable, while not putting herself in harms way for legal repercussions.

      She protected herself from perjury with unclear and unspecific when, where and hows of the event.

      Giving a poorly hand written statement of the event... I imagine it resembles a textbook example of what many sexual victims present, but what one would not expect from a tenured professor of means and experience.

      And using a little girl voice and her poor innocent me appearance in front of the Senate.

      To me this was all staged, from the last minute 'leak' to making sure she appeared making it 'must watch' tv.

      It has harmed both political sides, separating people even more, to cause the most harm, and divide people as much as possible.

      And if this did accusation was fabricated, if she was never assaulted by Kavanaugh, this whole event, and all that partook of it, are despicable, twisted human beings.

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      Mike Russo 

      7 weeks ago from Placentia California

      Jack in reference to your added section: I don't understand. The conservative party used to be the party of moral values, to the point of being self-righteous. That was their most important value and belief. They called it compassionate conservationism.

      Trump is one of the most despicable people I know when it comes to moral values. As far as the unruly mobs go, Trump promotes violence and hate in all of his rallies. All you have to do is watch them.

      But he has changed the political landscape to where the conservatives most important value is the economy stupid. And here I am criticizing the conservatives for electing a violent, morally bankrupt person as president.

      Even the evangelical Christians have forsaken their moral values and beliefs for the almighty dollar. They are like Pagans worshiping the dollar as an icon and Trump as their leader.

      He has been able to bring about that change in less than two years. Conservatives could care less about his immorality and promotion of violence. It's all about the economy stupid.

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      Jack Lee 

      7 weeks ago from Yorktown NY

      Paula, thanks for the reminder and explanation. You are correct, I am very laxed in monitoring comments. I generally would let people submit comments even some that are off topic. This particualar issue has generated intense debate and long drawn out responses...more than I even anticipated. I will try to do a better job going forward.

      I like to stick to my general rule of thumb. No more than three back and forth exchanges with the same person. Anything more just becomes a waste of time and energy. I suggest others do the same.

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      Paula 

      7 weeks ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Attn: to all the "nit-Pickers" here, who are so bent on insane back & forth pissing matches. Being selective as to whom I respond to or what threads on which I will even bother to comment, I either do not participate or simply LEAVE when it's clear everyone has gone totally off the rails. It's also clear that exchanging insults is far more important to some individuals than any topic presented. Well, in America, this is OK, even if not acceptable at times. I have had my say when I choose but walk away when Ms. Diarrhea of the Mouth Looney Lib, stops by to leave her trail of crap. She's literally unworthy of any discussion & she's definitely not worth my precious time. All she really needs is a full-time psychiatrist...sort of like a substitute for a Life Coach. There is no hope for her whatsoever.

      All this talk and "speculation" about Tsadjatko.: Although he & I may not be considered "friends," I DO know him. Trust me please when I tell you, NO, he has not been banned. From day one, he has been "Tsadjatko" and has remained that profile name. He did have a number of hubs and as he himself explained, he did delete them for the reasons he gave. At some point, his profile name was shortened to "Tsad," just as many names have been shortened by fellow-writers, in the comment section.

      I AM the one responsible for shortening it even further by referring to him as "T." I do this with a lot of writers here. Just like Mike is often referred to as P.P. (for people power) & our female looney lib is regularly referred to as Bat-Shit Crazy in a lot of circles.

      So, I used "T" and lo & behold it caught on. Tsadjatko, Tsad and T are all one in the same person and he is not the one making these "changes." I am not at all sure why this has even become an issue or topic of discussion. Are we getting bored, folks, or what?

      Finally, while individuals are responsible for the contents of their comments, the "AUTHOR" of any particular article is the one with the power & ultimate decision to delete or allow that comment. When it becomes wholly apparent that any author refuses to monitor and/or control what comments he/she allows & many of them are 100% unacceptable by normal standards, I simply stop following that weak, unconcerned author & will no longer participate in their work.

      In scanning this thread, Jack is extremely lax in control of comments. You can "welcome" discussion, debate & differences of opinion. but it's vital to know when most of it becomes pure garbage. No writer should be that desperate for clicks!! Ms. Looney has NEVER had the sheer nerve to even try to comment on any article of mine. Smart decision. If she had, I'd delete her so fast her abortion-loving neck would snap!

      I trust this may clear up some of the unnecessary speculation. Feel free to continue on your individual tirades. I have my productive life to live.

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      Leslie McCowen 

      7 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Your president just called someone a Horseface......anyone on that team should be embarrassed to show their face. IMO. Geezus krist

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      Jack Lee 

      7 weeks ago from Yorktown NY

      I just added another section to the end of this article dealing with the mid term election. My predictions are there in black and white. We will see in November if I am right or wrong.

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      Leslie McCowen 

      7 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Oops...accidentally put that up without finishing! Anyway, a blue blood Republican club invited the Proud Boys to speak at their swanky Manhattan meeting.

      This should be a huge red flag. Just as it is a huge red flag the Rush to confirm Kavanaugh.

      Not normal. Spidey Senses tingling, lol!

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      Leslie McCowen 

      7 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Well, it’s an ongoing theme with them. Obama was the antichrist, Hillary is an evil witch, and now witches have supposedly put a hex on Kavanaugh....reported on cable news!

      It makes sense they would think Democrats are Satanist....pizzagate, spirit cooking, etc. all linked to dems. And by whom?

      Q anon! I heard somewhere that q anon is Lionel.....can’t be, can it? It’s odd the tie talk radio has to all this......

      I’m sorry, Hillary was right back in the 90’s when she said a journalist worth his/he4 salt should look into the vast right wing.

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      Mike Russo 

      7 weeks ago from Placentia California

      Leslie: That's right he was TSAD and he did get banned, because he commented on my hubs as a guest viewer. Notice, he didn't answer about his article on Frank Truek and why did he subscribe to Richard Dawkins website, when Dawkins is a complete adversary of Truek's teachings? It appears that he is suffering from cognitive dissonance.

      Just to stay on the Kavanugh topic, I'll give T, AKA Tsad, AKA Tsad Jatko another chance to comment on your links he ignored the first time around.

      http://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/2018/10/10...

      https://www.theguardian.com/law/2018/aug/20/brett-...

      https://www.teenvogue.com/story/brett-kavanaugh-be...

      https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-gamble-cou...

      P.S. You know with all those identities, he probably has multiple personalities. He keeps talking about the rabbit hole, maybe, he think he is the Mad Hadder.!!

      He wants us to watch this 10 minute video on Satan. I really think he has a screw loose someplace.

      https://youtu.be/MhbilgHF5rE

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      Leslie McCowen 

      7 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

      It is on topic. They all pertain to Kavanaugh.

      But i get it. You want cheerleading not discussion.

      You are happy owning the whole thing. Well, have at it. At least you wont be able to blame the democrats, altho Trump does it daily. They are window dressing, basically.

      And Kavanaugh is up to bat. You can bet we will be watching. And when he does exactly as we predict....ill make the crow pie.

      Mine, of course will be Hawk.

      And yes, Mike, i think "t" was tsad, who most likely got banned and now is back. Many of them do it, you can tell by the tone and content.

      Lot of people know a lot about computers....thats why i sometimes wonder if they mess with this site. Some weird things happen here.

      Anyway, i appreciate you Jack, for letting us go on so much on this hub.

      I can tell you, 99% of Trumpers will delete comments faster then you can say freedom of speech.

      Its just baffling how a writing site is so intent on stifling people.

    • tsadjatko profile image

      7 weeks ago from now on

      Well it's happened, PP's Trump Derangement Syndrome has mutated into Tsadjatko Derangement Syndrome! Still TDS ! Next stop is the Looney bin!

      Yeah, I've been here for eight years with over 250 followers and tons of fanmail and tons of akolades, with an honest explanation of why I unpublished 40 hub pages in my profile which I put there so my followers know what's going on because some had asked me.

      but PP deduces I've been banned?

      Lol well you can't say that isn't an example of PP's non existent "research skills" when it's right there in black and white, "PP's liberal logic".

      What better proof I've gotten under his skin when he has to use innuendo to attack an anonymous turtle avatar. Tactics right out of the rabbit hole!

    • tsadjatko profile image

      7 weeks ago from now on

      You want me to do them all? Thought you wanted to stay on topic-agsin you are so duplicitous! Be glad to and call your bluff cause that is all it is. I started with the first, if I was cherry picking would I do that? They're all crap and you know it, Jack it is your call, you want to debunk her crspolas or should I.

      This is what you and Leslie should be listening to for obvious reasons I need not explain.

      https://youtu.be/MhbilgHF5rE

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      Mike Russo 

      7 weeks ago from Placentia California

      Leslie: Do you notice how T cherry picks one question out of group? This is what he said:

      (I'm only doing her first one but all her assertions are proven false, as uusl just left wing phony talking points made public by left wing media)

      Those are his typical tactics and then he accuses you of lying by posting a link written by a right wing author.

      There is something very strange about his hub page. He has been on hub pages 8 years and has only one article. This is from his About page:

      "If you are wondering why I only have one article I unpublished the other 40 because Hub Pages discontinured the floating capsule which I used extensively in all my hubpages. Consequently they flagged my pages as having pixelated pictures because all the pictures in the floating capsule were blown up to full size and the removal of the floating capsule totally screwed with the formatting and continuity of every hubpage, so instead of wasting hours trying to correct it (it took me over two hours to fix the one hub page I did) I decided to unpublish them. The only thing I feel fortunate about is that I didn't waste tons of hours writing hundreds of hubpages only to have to deal with such an inconsiderate decision by hubpages. I don't know how anyone can make money with them worth the time it takes. If I was making money I would have demanded they reimburse me for all the pages’ down time fixing what they screwed up but we all know they actually could care less."

      His one article is super long with many videos and it is about Frank Turek who is an evangelical apologist. I then googled Tsad Jatko and came up with Richard Dawkins who is a University of Oxford's Professor for Public Understanding of Science from 1995 until 2008. However, Dawkins is an adversary of everything Frank Turek believes in. In any case, it looks like T's is the only subscriber to Dawkins home page.

      Has T been banned from HP before? And he is a follower of Frank Turek who from everything I can find is a charlatan, evangelical christian. There are many YouTube presentations that dispute his logic on what he is preaching, including Richard Dawkins..

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      Leslie McCowen 

      7 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Oh Brad.....Yoo-hoo.....T is off topic.....hulllo.

      LOL. “Why do you love Jong Un?”.........ubbaubbaubbaubba.....

      And you don’t read either, I guess. Kav and Yoo exchanged numerous emails during the Bush years.

      Don’t you want to know if a SC judge signed onto torture and warrantless wiretapping of Americans phones?

      No? I guess his violating a young woman’s rights is enough for you. Not to mention his unseemly behavior.

      Well, you got what you wanted.

      Far right Senate, House, Presidency and Supreme Court.

      2019, you will feel the affects of it. I already have.

      Good luck. It will be jolly good fun watching the continued excuse making when YOU are hurt.

      And I already know the deal: “Hillary did it!”

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      7 weeks ago from now on

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      7 weeks ago from now on

      As usual Leslie (like all liberals) ignored every FACT in the article that refutes the spin she put on the link she used and tries to dismiss the publication of the article, not the author, but the publication, which is nothing but her version of attacking the messenger when you can't refute the facts, a textbook liberal tactic from the "down the rabbit hole playbook"

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      Leslie McCowen 

      7 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Another opinion piece? Gee, wonder what National Review will think?

      Partisan, and not proof of anything.

    • tsadjatko profile image

      7 weeks ago from now on

      For the sake of once again pointing out tactics from "down the rabbit hole" I will show you that Leslie is simply twisting left wing media articles to say what they don't even say but simply allude to like this (I'm only doing her first one but all her assertions are proven false, as uusl just left wing phony talking points made public by left wing media)

      "Do you care that he was involved with warrantless wiretapping and torture, or no?"

      Proof her statement is a lie:

      https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nationalreview.co...

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      Leslie McCowen 

      7 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

      No, they are legitimate questions. The problem is, you don’t want to hear them. You live in a bubble of Trump love, and nothing gets in there.

      I mean, everyone sees it. And, in fact, the right here on hp always said Obama was our “messiah”....remember that?

      It is what it is. You don’t want to discuss Kavanaugh, you want to praise Kavanaugh. Slap on the back for another one of yours.

      It’s fine. It’s always been this way. Just know that it does not change the truth one iota. Perception and opinion are not truth. And it’s clear, you all want a cheerleading squad.

      What happened cannot, however, be changed. The truth will come out eventually. Meanwhile, you all scream lock her up on a daily basis.

      Please, off the high horse get.

    • tsadjatko profile image

      8 weeks ago from now on

      Brad, they aren't questions. They are invitations to go down the rabbit hole with the queen of hearts.

      https://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-la...

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      Leslie McCowen 

      8 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Because they have 2 standards. One for them, one for everybody else.

      Brad, you were first to mention Hillary and the dems. Lecture yourself. And sorry, but is a multi-faceted country we live in. You will just have to let other people have their own minds.

      And where is Trump civility? All you and he ever do is personal insults.

      If you want to talk Kavanaugh....address my links. Do you care that he was involved with warrantless wiretapping and torture, or no?

      Do you care that he demanded every lurid detail of Clinton and Lewinski, yet feigns outrage when the spotlight is on him?

      Do you care that he lied about being a party fratboy who obviously liked loose women?

      Do you care that he will be deciding on a case that may allow Trump to pardon all his co-horts in crime?

      Kavanaugh! Let’s talk!

    • tsadjatko profile image

      8 weeks ago from now on

      As usual once again PP presents a fakse premise.

      My comment about Hiliary and holder and antifa included the Kavanaugh sham nomination or did PP conveniently ignore that which makes it on topic

      I quote "They along with the participants in the Kavanaugh sham and these people, Antifa who just vandalized NYC GOP declaring this is just the beginning"

      See PP just can't ever help himself stop ignoring the truth and frankly lying.

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      Mike Russo 

      8 weeks ago from Placentia California

      Brad: You can thank T for taking us down his rabbit hole for posting Hillary, Holder, and Antifa. Why don't you tell him to stay on topic?

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      8 weeks ago from now on

      So right Brad when you say "This obstruction was not centered on the Ford accusation against Kavanaugh but on the tactics the democrats used..."

      As I've demonstrated here all, absolutely the Democrats and libs ever have is their tactics because they have no respect for the truth or the law and liberalism is nothing if it isn't all based on lies.

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      Brad Masters 

      8 weeks ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Why are you guys following Leslie's trail of red herrings. This is supposed to be about confirming Kavanaugh.

      Leslie, like pp and the other anti Trumpers just infest an article until you couldn't tell what the article title is much less its point.

      As for confirming Kavanaugh, Feinstein, Ford, and Ford's attorneys need to be investigated for obstructing the senate. This obstruction was not centered on the Ford accusation against Kavanaugh but on the tactics the democrats used to break the senate rules and to treat Kavanaugh throughout the hearing and investigation as guilty and then after everything is over, they still without any evidence or proof claim that Kavanaugh should be impeached from the SC.

      Leslie owns this article.

      Bye

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      Mike Russo 

      8 weeks ago from Placentia California

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      Leslie McCowen 

      8 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Hillary REQUESTED to give up clearance...in solidarity with Brennan.

      Jack, the NYT article is an opinion piece. Big deal. Do u know how many times ive been lectured to about my "tone"? Plenty.

      Hillary Clinton has done a lot of good for a lot of people, and continues to do so.....

      Clinton Foundation hands out narcanol.

      Clinton Foundation gets an A+ rating.

      And hullo, we live in a capitalist society. Money rules. At least she uses it for good.

      And, she is the only person i see bringing up these separated kids. 11 weeks its been.

      Thise kids and their families are damaged for life. As if they werent already.

      And Kavanaugh just ruled they must be held indefinitely.

      Nice guy.... i guess he lacks the empathy to imagine they were his own kids.

      But its win win winnnnnnn

      And keep laughing Mike

      https://mobile.twitter.com/_NotFakeNews_/status/10...

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      8 weeks ago from now on

      BTW

      Just in, Hiliary required to give up her security clearance.

      Hmmm, they say due to investigation of her illegal email server. Her recent statement condoning incivility t ok the party in charge of the government today had nothing to do with it? I wonder.

    • tsadjatko profile image

      8 weeks ago from now on

      Mike, tell me she's not channeling the Queen of Hearts! She'd be right at home screaming "off with their heads"

      along with Hiiary and Holder who

      hurt Democrats in recent days by their amazing and disgusting comments.

      Democrat Doug Schoen: Hillary and Holder hurting Democrats with their amazing and disgusting comments

      https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/doug-schoen-hillar...

      They along with the participants in the Kavanaugh sham and these people, Antifa who just vandalized NYC GOP declaring this is just the beginning.

      https://video.foxnews.com/v/5848215100001/

      are now the face of the Democratic party to the extent all the Republicans have to do is stand by quietly while they take the Democrat party down.

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      Jack Lee 

      8 weeks ago from Yorktown NY

      Leslie, Here is article in NYT on Hillary’s wall street connection...

      Read it and weep.

      https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/08/us/politics/hil...

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      Readmikenow 

      8 weeks ago

      "And we are still placating the dam white people who don’t like “them negros” with the electoral college." Of all the ridiculous things I've seen liberals post...this is up there with one of the funniest. Keep it going Leslie...you're the best.

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      Leslie McCowen 

      8 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Ive explained it many times. But since i mostly comment in my own hubs, no one sees it. But, just as there is good and bad everywhere, obviously it applies to biz as well. There was a factory owner here in Mass who refused to move to China for cheaper labor...salute! A store here, Marketbasket, has a great reputation for being good to its workers. Yay! And i watched one of those speeches of Hillarys. She and Jamie Diamon were working together to facilitate low interest bank loans to women in Africa.....salute!

      However, the loopholes that rich people are given is agregious. Trump thinks not paying taxes makes him smart....i think it makes him a taker.

      Trump says bring jobs back....but his stuff is made in China. As is Ivanka's. and she is exempt from the tariffs Trump placed on them!

      Its ridiculous, and i dont get how you dont see that.

      As far as Kavanaugh....you got your right wing seat. By hook or crook....after stealing one of Obama's. It'll be interesting to see what comes out at the end of October, when those missing reports on him have been read.

      ......should have been done before.

      But it's win win win for the team.

      And we all know sports has little to no ethics.

      And sports pretty much placates women , as Susan Collins did.

      Funny, Al Franken was just told to step down without a hearing at all! Guilty with no trial on that one, huh? Collins.

      But we know.....poor poor Kav

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      Jack Lee 

      8 weeks ago from Yorktown NY

      Leslie, it is a bit off topic but I do want to jump in here with regard to your comment on Hillary and the big business you complaint about...

      Hillary Clinton is one of them and closely tied to Goldman Sachs...She has made numerous speeches behind close doors that later became public. She tells the public like you and me one thing and the opposite when talking to the big donors of wall street.

      How you are fooled by this only you can explain. The rest of us, don’t think corp. in general are evil. They provide jobs and products that we want and need including you. The only people being deceived is you and you do it willingly.

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      Leslie McCowen 

      8 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Really? I have not seen one Trump person be respectful towards Hillary Clinton, or me for supporting her. Just the opposite, in fact. There are 2 rightwing hubbers here who have threatened to use guns on liberals should it be necessary.

      Trump doesn’t answer attacks, he makes them. Then complains when people fight back.

      It is the Trumpers, starting with the Tea Party who are aching for a civil war. Remember, they used to show up at Obama rallies packing heat. In fact, there has long been talk of a race war here in the USA, but now they just include democrats, liberals and of course all the rabble with from shithole countries.

      And I really hate to tell you, but your ideas are not what the majority favor. The majority of votes went to Hillary. People do not want a rigid church state ruled by corporations.

      And we are still placating the dam white people who don’t like “them negros” with the electoral college.

      And, there is NO logic to 6 trillion in tax give-always so far to people who are already uber rich.

      We are giving the wealth of a nation away to a very few at the top, while the workers and providers sink into poverty and despair.

      It is unholy and idiotic. No logic behind it, only greed and lust, 2 of the 7 deadly sins

      Don’t you care that Trump is a tax cheat? That Kushner has paid no taxes? Is that the future you envision?

      Oh, and not one of you addressed my links on Kavanaugh, just went into insult mode.

      http://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/2018/10/10...

      https://www.theguardian.com/law/2018/aug/20/brett-...

      https://www.teenvogue.com/story/brett-kavanaugh-be...

      https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-gamble-cou...

      If people don’t have the fortitude to be honest, just insult and demean, why should anyone listen to YOU?

      And I have never seen Repubs as weak. I always see them as bullies. Go figure.

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      Jack Lee 

      8 weeks ago from Yorktown NY

      The solution is to challenge them at every turn. In the past, conservatives and republicans have alllowed these attacks to go unchallenged. They were weak. Trump has shown we can win and beat them. When they attack, we attack them back. Always respectful but answer them with logic and force. We always win in the arena of ideas.

    • tsadjatko profile image

      8 weeks ago from now on

      Up is down? So you agree the liberals are taking us down the rabbit hole where up is down. Thank You! ;-)

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      Jack Lee 

      8 weeks ago from Yorktown NY

      I think it is worse now. We are on the brink of a civil war.

      Michael Savage is right. His new book, Stop the Mass Hysteria is so profound. We are living in an alternativr universe where up is down.

      Our republic cannot survive if half the population lost their common sense.

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      8 weeks ago from now on

      Jack, what do you think of this little history lesson?

      https://youtu.be/4uivdOIBN6w

      Wouldn't you say actions are far better a measure of character than rhetoric? I agree with it, the Democrat party has shown it's true self with the Kavanaugh hearings!

    • tsadjatko profile image

      8 weeks ago from now on

      Kind of reminds you of down the rabbit hole, Brad?

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      Brad Masters 

      8 weeks ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Leslie

      Can't understand you are just ranting

      !

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      8 weeks ago from now on

      Not to beat a dead horse jack, but u said to stay on topic and then PPs last comment is totally off topic making the topic another false premise, I insult him, only for this reason, to label every true criticism I have made of his phony libersl debate tactics as insults, thus diverting attention from the truth to me insulting him. As I said before the truth isn't an insult unless you want to make it that to change the subject.

      So again he has raised a straw man - like I said, he does this automatically, it's a cognitive condition of some sort, that he can NEVER be honest.

      Another example, of which I have already given myriads on this thread and others he comments on, is when he lamented to you he took his definition of democracy and republic off the top of his head so he should be forgiven that he got it wrong. The issue I brought up was never that he got it wrong, it was that he used a wrong definition (off the top of his head) purposely to restate what Mike said and then make an argument. See even in this case he tried to use smoke and mirrors to restate the point I made which wasn't that he was wrong, it was that he used a wrong definition to restate what Mike said - and he did this on his hub page, not here because he knows here I will catch him doing what he ALWAYS does.

      Now aside from the usual PP rant of victimhood, you say who is to blame for this circus. Your list is accurate but you need to add one more responsible party.

      Loony liberal voters who vote for lying career politicians, liars like Feinstein and Blumenthal, Hiliary and Obama, frankly any democrat in leadership positions.

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      Leslie McCowen 

      8 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Hes a drunk frat boy and a liar. He thinks Clintons killed Foster. Van Jones had to quit as Obama's Green Czar just because he had questions about 9/11. Kav is a full-on conspiracy theorist.

      He is obviously partisan and there is no room for that SC.

      Any Hillary hater is a far right or far left crank. Not impartial at all.

      I believe Blasey-Ford. I think he did try to rape her, and hes denying it.

      He acted like a raving maniac in his hearing. I would not want him to judge ANYTHING.

      I think he will roll back abortion rights. Hes the one who prevented a 17 yr old girl from having an abortion, which she wanted.

      A panel had to rebuke him and told him he was violating her Constititional rights.

      In short, hes a far right ideologue, and will tip the balance of our country to pro corporate, anti worker, pro suppression: making it harder for non rightwingers to vote, and criminalizing abortion.

      Lock more poor people up, more free passes for the rich.

      Now, id like to see the list of Hillary's convictions, since fratboy is obviously in the Lock Her Up Club of Donny Dump.

      Ill wait.

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      Brad Masters 

      8 weeks ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Leslie

      --------------------------------------

      You call this staying on subject?

      ---------------------------------------

      "Oh, we are less. For when we did win, what happened? 8 years of obstructing until Trump got in. Then, all those positions they filibustered and refused to seat get filled with Republicans, no hearings or votes.

      And the voter suppression is a wholly Republican thing.

      Georgia, Ohio...it is going on now.

      This is not a Republic, its a Plutocracy.

      Bought and sold by men and women who dont want to pay taxes.

      A wholly owned subsidiary of big biz and religion.

      Its a travesty. Imo. And Kavanaugh is smack dab in it.

      Why do you think W was calling Repubs up to confrm him?

      We need an end to Citizens United, and an end to the electoral college."

      ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

      The subject is confirming Kavanaugh!

      Why shouldn't have Kavanaugh been confirmed as a SC Justice?

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      Leslie McCowen 

      8 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Oh, we are less. For when we did win, what happened? 8 years of obstructing until Trump got in. Then, all those positions they filibustered and refused to seat get filled with Republicans, no hearings or votes.

      And the voter suppression is a wholly Republican thing.

      Georgia, Ohio...it is going on now.

      This is not a Republic, its a Plutocracy.

      Bought and sold by men and women who dont want to pay taxes.

      A wholly owned subsidiary of big biz and religion.

      Its a travesty. Imo. And Kavanaugh is smack dab in it.

      Why do you think W was calling Repubs up to confrm him?

      We need an end to Citizens United, and an end to the electoral college.

    • jackclee lm profile imageAUTHOR

      Jack Lee 

      8 weeks ago from Yorktown NY

      Leslie,

      Go out and win elections and vote for people that support your agenda. Right now, the Republican have the majority.

      Obama had his 8 years and he failed to win over enough of the opposition.

      Now it is Trump’s turn.

      We live in a democratic Republic.

      You are no more or less important as any other citizen.

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      Leslie McCowen 

      8 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Btw, as an average American, im sick and tired of having to live this trickle up nonsense every time a republican holds that seat.

      https://mobile.twitter.com/GetWisdomDude/status/10...

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      Leslie McCowen 

      8 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Lock her up lock her up lock her up.....when do they stop?

      And Kavanaugh said Ford was there as revenge for the 2016 election . Mentioned Hillary Clinton by name. Its fair game where Blackout is concerned.

      Because he demanded we know every detail of Clinton when he worked for Ken Starr.

      He cannot cry about being grilled now. Nor should such a partisan as himself be a judge.....on any kind of court, imo.

      But i see why hes a perfect fit for Trump.

      Those type of men stick together

      Oh, and check your comment 27 hrs ago.....who'd you mention?

      Why, Hillary Clinton.

      Cant maga's ever stay on topic?

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      Brad Masters 

      8 weeks ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Kavanaugh Kavanaugh Kavanaugh

      Seriously why can't anti Trumpers stay on subject?

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      Leslie McCowen 

      8 weeks ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Please list Hillary’s convictions. I’ll wait.

      And there is no rabbit hole on hubpages. It’s a dungeon for those whom the right are afraid to debate. I’ve known 3 Hubbers sent there so far......

      And yet, there are 2 of you wing nuts....going under different names, which is supposed to be against the “rules”.

      We all know the deal. The favored ones decide who stays and who goes. I’d sure like to know who “they” are. And it should be made clear before joining. Tow “their” line, or you’re gone.

      Anyway, I don’t consider Bush “stellar”; and certainly not Kavanaugh. He believes the Clintons killed Foster. To me, that makes him a far right ideologue.

      We shall see if we are to be ruled by it.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      Brad Masters 

      8 weeks ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Leslie

      This is about president Trump and not GW Bush, or even Obama.

      Both of these were very bad presidents.

      Stay on the subject Kavanaugh.

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