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The Time for a Debate on Guns is: Never

Updated on August 6, 2012
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Scott is a graduate student and historian who is interested in politics, social movements, education, and religion

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Did you know that the second amendment is a grammatically complete sentence with a subject and a predicate?

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.-Amendment II

"The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes..." -District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)

-Everybody is talking about gun control. Got to control the guns. Fuck, that, I like guns. If you've got a gun, you don't need to work out! Cause, I ain't working out. I ain't jogging. No, I think we need some bullet control. I think every bullet should cost five thousand dollars. Five thousand dollars for a bullet. Know why? Cos if a bullet cost five thousand dollars, there'd be no more innocent by-standers. That'd be it. Some guy'd be shot you'd be all 'Damn, he must've done something, he's got fifty thousand dollars worth of bullets in his ass!' -Chris Rock

As we live in a country where neither liberals nor conservatives are particularly persuaded by the words of the Constitution, reading in or out whichever words they do or do not like, I'm not surprised that Chris Rock has offered perhaps the best compromise position available. You can keep the guns, but there is absolutely nothing that protects your right to bullets.

Consider for a moment how many liberals in this country believe the Constitution offers a right to privacy, and by extension that this right to privacy is really a right to abortion. Consider how many conservatives believe that the ban on warrant-less wiretapping doesn't apply when a Republican is in office, or how many think it's okay for the government to repossess private citizens' property only to redistribute it to other private citizens.

How many times will this country fall for the 'it's too soon to talk about gun control' farse? Where were the conservatives calling for time to grieve after my home was attacked on 9/11? Where were the Republicans chanting 'it's too soon to discuss terrorism since the families haven't had time to grieve.Notice the selectivity with which we're told about not making decisions in the immediate aftermath of an event which calls for decisions to be made.

There is a big difference between saying we shouldn't have guns at all, and saying we don't need assault rifles and automatic shotguns etc, because at some point, the logic is self defeating. You end up in an arms race with yourself as a nation.There is a reason why you don't play chicken with an idiot. A person who is capable of killing innocent people will not be deterred by the thought of their own demise, therefore it is only a question of how heavily armed they are before they die or are arrested.

I believe in my right to defend my own life with any means, under most circumstances, and I want guns to be legal for home-self defense and hunting and whatnot. But I don't want to have to take the added step of needing an assault rifle because the guy who broke in has a shotgun. I don't want to have to own armor piercing rounds because you never know when one guy in body armor decides to wreak havoc in a public space.

If I absolutely had to, I suppose I could stab someone who attacked me, if I had to do it to save my own life. But even then it would be terrible to have to do that. Guns are less personal. Guns kill at a distance. Guns are easy to use. Guns are glamorized where knives are considered barbaric.Guns allow for crimes of opportunity for people who wouldn't have the courage or ability to kill without the ease and detachment of a gun.

Part of the difficulty with illegal immigration in this country is that once a person is here, they can easily blend in. Unless there is cause for them to be personally identified, they go unchecked. It's easy to arrest people for heroin, because heroin is illegal under all circumstances and everyone who comes near it is legally bound to it. It's nearly impossible to make quality arrests for pain killers because these are sometimes legal. Think about how easy it is for a domestic terrorist, or a psychopath to hide their weapons among the sea of legal weapons. The only thing you can do is hope that law enforcement can somehow stop the person before they attack. Only how can you know when they'll attack and who are they?

I now have to accept that police need to be heavily armed, because they are travelling in an ocean of heavily armed people who unlike the police, are concealed, sometimes better armed, and have the further advantage of striking first and fleeing or just generally being crazy. Ask yourself if the introduction of the Tommy gun (Chicago Typewriter) made Chicago a better and more free society in Al Capon's day. If we could do it all again, would you really keep a weapon which the criminals possessed long in advance of the police or the average joe innocent?

A Short List of Shootings in Recent US History

-- Oak Creek, Wisconsin, August 5,2012 - Wade M. Page kills 6 people and critically wounds 3 more in a white-supremacist motivated attacked.

-- Aurora, Colorado, July 20, 2012 - A single gunman armed with an assault rifle, a shotgun, and two automatic pistols kills 12 people and wounds 58 others in a movie theater.

-- CHARDON, Ohio, February 27, 2012 - A student opened fire in a cafeteria at Chardon High School, killing three students and injuring two others before he was arrested.

--Sanford, Florida, February 26, 2012- George Zimmerman shoots a 17 year old, unarmed kid, after being told by police officers not to pursue the kid.

-Tucson, Arizona, January 8, 2012- Jared Loughner wounds Rep. Giffords, killing 6 people and wounding 12 others.

-- HUNTSVILLE, Alabama, February 12, 2010 - A University of Alabama professor opened fire at a faculty meeting, killing three colleagues and wounding three.

-- Killeen, Texas, November 5, 2009- A single gunman kills 13 people and wounds 29 others inside Fort Hood.

-- DEKALB, Illinois, February 14, 2008 - A former graduate student killed five students at Northern Illinois University before killing himself.

-- BLACKSBURG, Virginia, April 16, 2007 - A student killed 32 students and faculty at Virginia Polytechnic and State University in the worst single act of gun violence in U.S. history.

(This kids was actually given an exorcism by a Church before the rampage. Got that right?.... In 2007.... In America.... A goddman exorcism... Is there anything a shill of god won't do for money?)

-- NICKEL MINES, Pennsylvania, October 2, 2006 - An armed dairy truck driver selected the female students at a one-room Amish schoolhouse and shot them execution-style, killing five. The man then shot himself.

-- RED LAKE INDIAN RESERVATION, Minnesota, March 21, 2005 - A 16-year-old high school student killed seven people and wounded several others in a shooting rampage after first killing two others off campus. He then killed himself.

-- TUCSON, Arizona, October 29, 2002 - A failing student shot and killed three professors and then himself in a rampage at the University of Arizona School of Nursing.

-- LITTLETON, Co., April 20, 1999 - Two students killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded more than 20 others before killing themselves at Columbine High School.

-- JONESBORO, Ark., March 24, 1998 - Two boys, ages 11 and 13, fired on their middle school from woods, killing four girls and a teacher and wounding 11 others.

-- AUSTIN, Texas, August 1, 1966 - A University of Texas student and former Marine killed 16 people and wounded 32 others in and around the campus. He was shot dead by a police officer.

-- BATH TOWNSHIP, Mich., May 18, 1927 - Forty-five people were killed, including 38 elementary students, and 58 injured in three bombings by a school board treasurer enraged by higher taxes in the deadliest act of violence at a U.S. school.

Reporting by Ian Simpson; Editing by Cynthia Johnston and Lisa Shumaker (Reuters 4/3/2012)


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    • Scottmonster profile imageAUTHOR

      Scott Vehstedt 

      6 years ago from Washington, D.C.

      Thanks for the input!

    • usalamabob profile image


      6 years ago from New York City

      The constitution has friends, enemies, and many who haven't the slightest idea what it means or how it can be interpreted.

      I'm a pacifist who does not and never had a gun. I firmly believe in the right to bare arms. While I seriously don't understand why many people need an assault weapon, the way our government is curtailing our rights by the ability to detain anyone without charges for an indefinite amount of time , I understand (but don't agree) with the militias in Michigan, etc. that want all kinds of weapons to defend themselves against tyrranical governments, even our own.

      I like the quote from Chris Rock too.


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