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The Trump Economy

Updated on September 17, 2018
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Jack is currently a volunteer at the Westchester County Archives. Jack has worked at IBM for over 28 years.

Introduction

Anyone who has been paying attention the last few years must realize a major shift has taken place in the US. The main reason is a shift in our government from the Obama years to the new Trump administration. There are two camps of thought. One that believes the economy works in a regular cycle and what goes and changes have little to do with Washington politics. The other believes federal government regulations and policies have a direct effect on our economy and jobs and investments. Who is right?

- Aug. 2018

Background

Perception is one thing but real hard economic data is hard to argue with. We can attack this problem in several ways. If we examine the various economic indicators, like GDP and jobs and and taxes and wages and debts and interest rate... we can see a pattern. Moreover, consumer sentiments and business outlook and global trade and stability of the market is another aspect to consider. Finally, the man on the street and how they perceive the overall economic condition is also a gage.

There is no argument that macro economics moves in cycles. We have over the past 80 years a periodic boom and recession which occurs on average every 7 or 8 years. However, within those cycles are another secondary effect. This is the effect of government in controlling the money supply and interest rates via the Federal Reserve in an attempt to moderate the economic impact of these cycles. Just for an example, in a heated economy when the inflation rises, the Federal Reserve raises interest rate to slow down the boom. On the other hand, during a recession, the Federal Reserve would lower interest rate in an attempt to stimulate growth and investment in the private sector. It does not always work in the real world. Depending what else is going on, the government has limited powers in changing the direction of a $19 trillion economy of the US.

World trade has been growing and playing a bigger part of our economy. We are a global society. Many of our large corporations have businesses overseas. They are constrainted by what goes on in other nations. More and more of our economy is tied to other nations and their economic well being. A recession in China will have a negative effect on our economy and vice versa.

Economics is not an exact science. Unlike chemistry or physics, we cannot predict the outcome. There are some basic principles. However, public perception and sentiment do play a role in the course of our economy. For example, if the consumer confidence is high, people are more likely to spend on discretionary items such as vacations and going out to eat... This in turn will generate more business and lead to more hiring and higher wages. On the other hand, if consumers cut back during recession, the business is affected negatively. A feedback loop is inherent in these various cycles.

Here Are The Facts...

  • Major Tax Reformed Bill passed over last 30 years
  • Regulation reform - two regulations removed for every one added
  • GDP above 4%
  • Federal Fund rate at 2% and returning to normal
  • DOW at all time high over 26,000
  • Unemployment rate - U6 is 7.5% a better gage of real unemployment.
  • Up to $250 billion repatriated by companies from overseas
  • Most Americans will receive a tax reduction of $1500 this year.
  • the National Debt climbed to $21.5 trillon.
  • A new NAFTA deal worked out with Mexico
  • The small business optimism index from the National Federation of Independent Business jumped to 108.8 in August, a new all-time high.

The SPY Index Fund Since Election of Trump - Up 38%

Summary

Things have started to move in the right direction. There is much more to be done. The deficit is a huge looming problem. Unemployment and under employment is still too high. Wages are not keeping up with rising costs. Full time jobs with benefits are hard to get. Our trade inbalance with China is growing.

It was President Obama who said “elections have consequences...” He passed the ACA healthcare bill in 2010. Now, President Trump passed the Tax Reform bill. There effects on the economy cannot be understated.

Whether you like him or not, it is Trump’s economy now at least for the next two years.

Best Cartoon of the Year!

Opinion From the Other Side - Sept. 11, 2018

I am pasting an opposing opinion posted in the comments section by another hubber.

Here is her post and predictions...

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I wont make peace with any of them. They are personal and vicious. On purpose. And they get away with it.

And i am making a prediction. By this time next year, if Trump party still reigns, we will be back in recession, only 20 times worse, and many many rights will be gone.

Trump economy is the same old trickle up nonsense always plied by Republicans. Only Trump has empowered the filthy rich and those who get rich off human misery, such as private corporations and the Zio-Nazis of the world.

More laws to lock up more people so they can profit.

Trump news only.

Trump radio, state tv.

Back to stone ages for any but white judeo xtian male.

History repeating. IF Trump party stays in charge.

That is my opinion.

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Obama Speech on Trump Economic Success

© 2018 Jack Lee

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    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      Brad Masters 

      3 months ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Mike

      "T: Give it up, you are just being a child. Do yourself a favor and look up the difference between assertion, implication, and inference. Here, I will save you the trouble

      Commonly Confused Words: infer / imply. Both verbs have to do with the communication of information. The difference between the two is that imply refers to giving information, while infer refers to receiving information. Imply means to strongly suggest the truth or existence of something that is not expressly stated. Infer means to draw a conclusion from that implication.

      B:

      What is commonly confused by you is the topic, and giving answers relevant to it.

      If you spent this much time on giving answers to questions, like mine, you would be doing much better. Great you get an English award for your grammar, but you failed the subject, because it wasn't about the English language, it was about Trump's economy.

      While understand some fundamentals of the language, look up condescension and see how it is applied in a sentence.

    • jackclee lm profile imageAUTHOR

      Jack Lee 

      3 months ago from Yorktown NY

      Mike,

      I did not see anything else. So far, I’ve approved all comments that came to me. There may have been a delay since I am travelling today.

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      Leslie McCowen 

      3 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Mark this down Jack:

      “Sen. Jeff Merkley has obtained memos showing the Trump administration taking nearly $10 million from FEMA -- which deals with hurricane relief -- and giving the money to ICE for more detention centers.”

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      Leslie McCowen 

      3 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Not really. Depends on your income level. Some of us are to poor to deserve a tax cut.

      And now they want another one.

      Soon I’ll be working to be in debt, what with all the money I’ll have to fork out so rich people can hoard.

      Smh. Trickle up sux.

    • peoplepower73 profile image

      Mike Russo 

      3 months ago from Placentia California

      Jack: What happened to my reply to T? Did you not approve it?

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      Brad Masters 

      3 months ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Jack

      Excellent point!

      For example, it is objective and not subjective as to whether the Trump tax reduction helped, hurt, or didn't affect the economy.

    • jackclee lm profile imageAUTHOR

      Jack Lee 

      3 months ago from Yorktown NY

      I think at this point, it is not a matter of different opinions. The economy is going to be the big issue in November. Trump is not on the ballot but many of the people running are on opposite sides of the Trump agenda. We will see who prevails and by extension will know whether the American people like the policies of Trump or rejects it.

      I will stress this has little to do with whether you like Trump the person or not. It has to do with his policies in MAGA.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      Brad Masters 

      3 months ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Mike

      "Brad: Do you realize what you just said? The reason they are buried with a hundred negative sites means more financial people think it is not good than good. It also indicates the majority is right and you just can't accept it."

      What I said is that the news is biased against president Trump.

      And I can't accept anything from the news as facts.

      And did you read my link?

      No, what you did was deflect, and cherry pick.

      The link was directly from Trump's economic advisor. Did any of your news reports take his charts and contradict them. Or did they use their own?

      The one link you just gave, I looked at it, and it read like an oped not financial news.

      Where can you get the real facts today? My answer is only from the people making the news directly. That is why I like to hear and read president Trump's views, and Tweets. I don't have to agree with them, but I know he said it or wrote it and it hasn't been filtered.

      BTW, science doesn't rely on consensus, it relies on truth.

      If the Trump economy, getting you back on topic, is not that good then why is former president Barack Obama trying to take credit for it?

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      Mike

      You are on the left, yes?

      You are a never Trumper, yes?

      You can't find a single thing that you like about president Trump, yes?

      What do you and the left stand for in September 2018?

      Why should voters vote for your left in 2018?

      Who in the current congress would you say most represents your political views?

      This is not really off topic because it goes to the heart of why you are objecting to this article's view of saying that Trump's economy is a success.

      You don't have to answer any of my questions, unless you want to make a point that supports your comments?

    • peoplepower73 profile image

      Mike Russo 

      3 months ago from Placentia California

      Brad: Do you realize what you just said? The reason they are buried with a hundred negative sites means more financial people think it is not good than good. It also indicates the majority is right and you just can't accept it.

    • peoplepower73 profile image

      Mike Russo 

      3 months ago from Placentia California

      T: Give it up, you are just being a child. Do yourself a favor and look up the difference between assertion, implication, and inference. Here, I will save you the trouble

      Commonly Confused Words: infer / imply. Both verbs have to do with the communication of information. The difference between the two is that imply refers to giving information, while infer refers to receiving information. Imply means to strongly suggest the truth or existence of something that is not expressly stated. Infer means to draw a conclusion from that implication.

      In other words you make assertions. They are implied. I draw inferences from those implications. What you are saying and what you imply may not be the same thing. What I infer or conclude from your implications may not be the same as your assertions. Have you ever heard of dog whistle statements.? They say one thing, but really mean something else.

      If you say that I'm suffering from cognitive impairment and I'm a narcissist, you say that it is wrong for me to infer and conclude that you are implying I'm a dysfunctional. This is what you call twisting words and putting words in your mouth.

      What would you call somebody who is both cognitively impaired and a narcissist?..Do you have a name for that? You need to go to an English class.

      Give it up. Jack and everybody else could care less about you proving others call me a narcissist. Go home and do your English home work and learn some manners while you are at it.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      Brad Masters 

      3 months ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Jack

      As usual Mike Russo's links are not facts, they are biased reporting against Trump?

      If you don't believe me try and google something good about the Trump economy and it will be buried with a hundred negative cites.

      Here is the link I was mentioning in my previous comment

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      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boUrPlH3Rnc

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      Leslie McCowen 

      3 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Deal! And that is IF Trump party makes it that far.

    • peoplepower73 profile image

      Mike Russo 

      3 months ago from Placentia California

      Jack: Here are some facts...hot off the press. Oh I know Brad doesn't like me posting links. He would rather that I just post my opinion, so that he can discredit it over and over again. Now whether you buy these as facts or not is your prerogative.

      https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/fac... via @nbcnews

    • tsadjatko profile image

      3 months ago from now on

      Well Jack, while PP has to keep spinning his web of lies here, and a close look at what he says in his last comments still proves me right while he doesn’t even see it just take a look at these replies to PP’s comments.

      My Two Pennies

      20 months ago from United States

      So you have to misquote me to and lie to make your point? How embarrassing, small, and lacking of substance as expected. I would love for you to show where I used the phrase "dumb liberal elitist," or are you so desperate that you'll exaggerate again, like when Hillary "won by 9 million..."? I have never used that phrase in any of my hubs.

      You are the one that used the word "dumb," (far below my vocabulary) along with "fat" to describe Trump supporters. Remember Mr Hypocrite? Your arrogance is a testament to this hub and reflective of the elitists losers that lost this election for the dems.

      AUTHOR

      My Two Pennies

      20 months ago from United States

      "I give you facts and you discount them. I was wrong about Hillary, it is 2.9 million. You twist my words into things I did not say." - You're the one that added another 6 million with a ridiculous over-exageration and then say we twist your words.... Get real Mr. Victim.

      Although you may truly be that vain and narcissistic, rest assured that I have better things to do with my time (sure I speak for the other commentators you were just lashing out at, and are now trying to use in your perpetuation of victimization) than conspire on how to get a loud mouthed leftist banned from a website. As far as slipping up, your lack of consistency has only given me a laugh and demonstrated your inability to provide real substance.

      Here is the source of those comments -

      https://hubpages.com/politics/A-Tribute-to-Liberal...

      just examples of dozens of people calling out PP’s narcissistic and diabolical tactics he uses in comments, all of which I have copied. Rather than list here all the articles and comments where authors and hubber’s have said that PP twists your facts, puts words in your mouth, is a narcissist, basically everything I have said about him) I will withhold them until PP comments about what he is again, and every time he does I will be happy to reply with another different hubber’s comments with PP pointing out the same things I have said and these are posts I was not involved with going back years.

    • jackclee lm profile imageAUTHOR

      Jack Lee 

      3 months ago from Yorktown NY

      Leslie, That is very good. I am going to keep you to your word. I am coming back to this post next year and let’s revisit your predictions.

      It is always nice to have some hard facts next to predictions by liberals.

      In fact, I will do one better. I am going to cut and paste your comments to my main article. That way it will be memorialized for life.

      Next year, either you will be worshipped as a prophet or be irrelevant as a charlatan and another Trump hater like Paul Krugman.

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      Leslie McCowen 

      3 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      I wont make peace with any of them. They are personal and vicious. On purpose. And they get away with it.

      And i am making a prediction. By this time next year, if Trump party still reigns, we will be back in recession, only 20 times worse, and many many rights will be gone.

      Trump economy is the same old trickle up nonsense always plied by Republicans. Only Trump has empowered the filthy rich and those who get rich off human misery, such as private corporations and the Zio-Nazis of the world.

      More laws to lock up more people so they can profit.

      Trump news only.

      Trump radio, state tv.

      Back to stone ages for any but white judeo xtian male.

      History repeating. IF Trump party stays in charge.

      That is my opinion.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      Brad Masters 

      3 months ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Jack

      That sounds like a great idea.

      BTW, Today, I saw Trump 's economic advisor present the data for the economy from 2012 to today. And all of the criteria showed that from 2012 till Trump took office, the trend was down.

      Each of the charts showed an immediate uptick when Trump took office and the trend was and is going up.

      This puts to rest former president Obama's claim that he was responsible for the current economy. Not true factually, although facts are not important to the left, only when they swing it against the right.

      Jack, do we really need any charts or data to see the improvement in the economy since Trump became president?

      The current and trending US GDP alone tells the benefit of electing Trump as president. How can the left refute it, they can't because these are facts. Many on the left want to forecast doom and gloom, but they don't have any facts to support it.

      And then there is the Tax Reduction that actually gave people back money that the left if they take congress will reverse in 2019. Trump's economic advisor also pointed to the data showing the positive effect of the Tax Reduction.

      Trump didn't improve the US economy just by a single or a few changes, he has created a new US economic paradigm.

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      Mike Russo 

      3 months ago from Placentia California

      Leslie: I found my peace with Paula. It was a misunderstanding on my part. She wasn't telling me to leave the article. She was saying to just step away from Brad.

      But, I'm beginning to realize T's insults and ridicules of me and others is very childlike and my replies are like a parent telling his unruly brat kid to straighten up. But he doesn't realize that.

      With Brad it's another story. Brad likes to play the part of the parent by telling you how to reply to his questions. And as a parent, he is never satisfied with the answers. And I play the part of the child trying to please him.

      The parent/child/ adult stimulus and response is from a body of work called transactional analysis, if you are interested. I think it can be applied to Trump as well. Guess who the child is in his scenario.

    • jackclee lm profile imageAUTHOR

      Jack Lee 

      3 months ago from Yorktown NY

      Brad, I agree. Let’s focus on my main topic. Keep the personal comments in check. What about my contention that the current economic boom is all due to Trump and he owns it? For better or worse. This latest speech by President Obama is just an attempt to claim credit when they are just the opposite. His policies was what kept the economy in a lull while now it is going full speed with new policies of Trump.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      Brad Masters 

      3 months ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Leslie and Mike

      If you only spent this much time talking about the content?

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      Leslie McCowen 

      3 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      I’ve gone back to the beginning of comments. This conversation was going fine until T and Paula stepped in. Tag team trolling.

      It happens a lot on hp.

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      Mike Russo 

      3 months ago from Placentia California

      T: Did you not say I was cognitively impaired? Did you not say I was a narcissists? Do you deny that you imply I'm a dysfunctional dumb sh*t liberal, along with all other liberals?. Have I just put words in your mouth?

      You say I twist words when I'm shown in a bad light or just wrong. Isn't it interesting that you twisted the words "insults and ridicule" into just calling a spade a spade? Whether you realize it or not, you just put those words in my mouth.

      You have so much to learn about decency. You are so full of yourself, You can't even recognize when you are attacking others and twisting words their words.

      Here is a good example of what you think twisting is and putting words in others mouths. This is what you said

      "What is insulting is the way you think you can put words in people’s mouth and twist what they say, everyone knows it and the only people who don’t are people like you who do it or liberals who simply can’t honestly criticize any liberal because liberals condone any tactic that they think keeps the truth from being revealed."

      First off that is a run-on sentence and it doesn't make sense. Because you state liberals are criticizing liberals.

      You stated that as a fact, but it is only your opinion or it could be from your conservapedia playbook. No matter, your intention is to insult and ridicule me and other liberals. Oh i'm sorry call a spade a spade.

      So my reply to you is therefore, you think me and liberals approve of any tactic in order to hide the truth. The truth of what? Do you even know what truth you are talking about? I'm using a tactic right now. Am I hiding the truth? You are implying that we are liars.

      Have I twisted things and put words in your mouth? Only you think that way. You have a lot to learn about assertions, implication, inference, and defense. As a matter of fact, you have a lot to learn about a lot of things. I don't think you mommy and daddy taught you how to be nice to others, at least not on hub pages. Do me and yourself a favor and please grow up and try looking in the mirror.

      But then again, I don't think you have the capacity for introspection, because if you did, you would cut out this BS. You have never grown up and are a bully and a troll on hub pages. I can take all the BS you want to hand out.

      Sorry Jack. I know what I said before, but I couldn't pass this up.

    • tsadjatko profile image

      3 months ago from now on

      Once again you have to restate what I said to make it not exactly what I said- you really have a problem with what goes into your head and what comes out of it. In between it’s meaning gets distorted. However you are pretty accurate here until you say you twist every reply - I never said you twist every reply but you do it whenever you want to what people say that shows you in a bad light or just wrong, like now.

      Not insults or ridicule, just calling a spade a spade. What is insulting is the way you think you can put words in people’s mouth and twist what they say, everyone knows it and the only people who don’t are people like you who do it or liberals who simply can’t honestly criticize any liberal because liberals condone any tactic that they think keeps the truth from being revealed.

      Once again you show you are a glutton for punishment and I am getting tired of being the one to meet it out.

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      Mike Russo 

      3 months ago from Placentia California

      T: Lets see now. I am a cognitively, impaired, narcissist, who twist every reply to make it all about myself. And every time I open my mouth I demonstrate all of these dysfunctional qualities about myself. Thank you that's very kind of you. Oh did I leave anything out? Please feel free to add more insults and ridicule.

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      Brad Masters 

      3 months ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Mike

      "Brad: What does it have to do with the Trump economy? Trump has rolled back many of the financial regulations that Obama put in place to prevent another 2008 financial meltdown.

      B:

      Where is that meltdown today? Forecasting doom and gloom is not the topic. What is right or wrong about the results of the Trump economy. Nothing!

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      The banks and wall street always want less regulations. He already removed the cap on mom and pop savings and loans. That is what Reagan did and it created the savings and loan debacle of the 80's.

      B:

      Again, nothing to do with Trump's economy today. He is not like any other president, and his way of doing things is working out. What is your comment about the Trump economy, not your doom and gloom.

      Actual facts today!

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      In my view, it is just a matter of time before commercial banks and investment companies start merging their assets and it starts all over again. That's was the root cause of the meltdown of 2008.

      B:

      That wasn't the cause of the meltdown. And that problem never got fixed, did it?

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      And that's what it has to do with the Trump economy...And that is my final answer as well."

      B:

      Not really, it was all about Mike Russo's economy, oh wait Mike doesn't have an economy:)

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      And were the other questions for you in my comment too tough to answer?

      Cherry picking!

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      Leslie McCowen 

      3 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Sorry jack.....the ones engaging in personal attacks are you of the right. Check back and see.

      Don’t lump me in with them.

      Like I said before, I insult Trump, insult right wing policies: righties personally insult me. Personal and nasty.

      Until you can acknowledge this and go after the culprits, it’s a hollow complaint, imo.

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      Mike Russo 

      3 months ago from Placentia California

      Brad: What does it have to do with the Trump economy? Trump has rolled back many of the financial regulations that Obama put in place to prevent another 2008 financial meltdown. The banks and wall street always want less regulations. He already removed the cap on mom and pop savings and loans. That is what Reagan did and it created the savings and loan debacle of the 80's.

      In my view, it is just a matter of time before commercial banks and investment companies start merging their assets and it starts all over again. That's was the root cause of the meltdown of 2008. And that's what it has to do with the Trump economy...And that is my final answer as well.

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      Brad Masters 

      3 months ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Randy

      You were doing so well, but after this comment, I am going to have to add you to the list of drivebbyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy commenters:) That club is getting bigger:)

    • tsadjatko profile image

      3 months ago from now on

      PP I called you a narcissist long before I wrote that, I think more than once and repeatedly said it was because it’s always about you, you make everything about you. And once again you twisted what I said, I didn’t say you are a narcisist because you work your butt off, I said you work your butt off because you are a narcissist. See everytime you open your mouth you reveal exactly what I say about you and you evidently don’t even know it. On top of that I never said I work my butt off to deal with you as you say in your straw man, ever, cause it’s no work, you hand it to me on a silver platter! Lol and you don’t even know it.

      Sorry Jack, hard to let it go when he hands it to me on a silver platter.

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      Brad Masters 

      3 months ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Jack

      Your comment should actually be addressed to the one that broached the subject, it was not I.

      "Brad,

      I have written about the last recession and won’t repeat it here. I agree the people responsible, including some in Congress, were never punished.

      B:

      Again this is Mike Russo's point. My point is that the $1.5 Trillion didn't go to help the victims of those companies that were bailed out.

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      We the tax payers were forced to bail these companies out. Also, the laws that were put in place did not fix any of the problems that lead up to the housing crisis and in fact made it worse with the added regulations and preventing the small banks from lending...

      B:

      The banks did even lend money to other banks, I don't know about any regulators for that?

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      The most damaging were the actions of the Federal Reserve which kept interest rate near zero for 8 long years and created a new term called quantitative easing which is another word for printing money.

      B:

      The FRB along with Federal agencies that authorize loans were part of the problem. The FRB kept the bubble growing, and had they increased the interest rate at all, many of these new loans would have failed, And during the almost 2 year bubble increases in the interest rate didn't happen, but if the FRB did increased them, the bubble might have just ruptured instead of bursting.

      Even after the burst, the FRB kept investing $40 billion a month on these bundled derivative loans. Why did they do that?

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      del if u wish

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      Brad Masters 

      3 months ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Mike

      you say

      "Mike Russo

      2 hours ago from Placentia California

      I have been on many forums and have published 69 articles, many of which are on niche web sites. My articles have over 80,000 views. My hub score has been in the mid 90's for years. I'm telling you this, not because I'm a narcissist as some falsely claim, but it should speak to my experiences on hub pages."

      B:

      You have 68 articles in 6 years, and you haven't published an article in the last 8 weeks. When was the last time?

      And for not writing hubs, and only positing comments on other people's hubs and participating in Forums, Hubpages gives you a hubber score of 94?

      I thought Hubpages was about writing hubs, and forums were there to stimulate writing hubs.

      Now you are going to counter this and mention that my hubber score is 30 and I am jealous. Doesn't it make more sense that hubpages is biased , like google, facebook and twitter to the extreme left.

      That would account for why you have a 94, certainly not for commenting and messaging! And it would account for my hubber score of 30. And hp doesn't feature most of my hubs, and why is that?

      How is commenting and messaging making hubpages, hubpages?

      And how much do you have to put into it, when you mostly submit links instead of writing?

      This is not personal, it speaks to the facts.

      1. You have a score of 94

      2. You haven't published a hub in at least the last 8 weeks.

      3. You submit links rather than writing in both your comments and your forums.

      4. You have 68 published hubs in the last 6 years.

      5. And you are on the extreme left in your political viewpoint.

      As for the hp bias, I cannot substantiate that with actual facts, but I have written a number of articles using their data and circumstantial evidence.

      Circumstantial evidence has convicted many defendants in court decisions of murder. Circumstantial evidence is that powerful!

      del if u wish

    • jackclee lm profile imageAUTHOR

      Jack Lee 

      3 months ago from Yorktown NY

      Brad,

      I have written about the last recession and won’t repeat it here. I agree the people responsible, including some in Congress, were never punished. We the tax payers were forced to bail these companies out. Also, the laws that were put in place did not fix any of the problems that lead up to the housing crisis and in fact made it worse with the added regulations and preventing the small banks from lending...

      The most damaging were the actions of the Federal Reserve which kept interest rate near zero for 8 long years and created a new term called quantitative easing which is another word for printing money.

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      Brad Masters 

      3 months ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Mike

      What does this have to do with the Trump economy today?

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      "Jack: One thing free market enterprise and capitalism never take into account is human nature. One of the causes of the financial meltdown in 2008 was greed and corruption. Goldman Sachs and many others were using credit default swaps to insure their selling of toxic assets to own their own customers, knowing full well they were going down the tubes; Goldman then reeked the benefits of those swaps. It was just like shorting the market.

      The credit default swap market was global and at its peak was worth 60 trillion. Iceland was the first one to bite the dust and that started the whole domino effect of the financial meltdown.

      B:

      Trump economy?

      -------------------------

      I watched 13 hours of the congressional investigations against Goldman and AIG and all they did was slapped their hands. As a matter of fact, they demanded to get their "clawback" commissions from the TARP money. It's called "white collar crime."; nobody went to jail. If you and I steal a loaf of bread we can go to jail."

      B:

      What does this have to do with Trump at all?

      The $1.5 Trillion dollars spent by GW Bush and his congress, as well as Barack Obama and his congress didn't do anything for the victims of those companies that actually caused the economic failure in 2008.

      B:

      This was you first diversion and that was seven days ago.

      You could have at least applied it to the Trump economy!

      And you are going to lecture about going off topic!

      ---------------------------------------------

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      Mike Russo 

      3 months ago from Placentia California

      T: You words:

      "If I am such a sicko why would you even bother working your butt off to combat me except that it always has to be all about you, the definition of a narcissist, which evidently you have no qualifications either to call anyone a narcissist, which makes you a hypocrite to boot. Put that in your butt and work it."

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      Randy Godwin 

      3 months ago from Southern Georgia

      Mike, it's called being "trumpnotized"! :lol:

    • tsadjatko profile image

      3 months ago from now on

      Well I can’t blame you for that but I do thank you for allowing me to have my say and PP his. You are a stand up fella.

      So I’ll look around and see if I can actually hijack a hub page. Still not sure just how it can be done, monopolize yes, dominate, yes, hijack? Wellllll I’ll give it a try as soon as I figure out how.

      I will say this, have you heard Obama’s criticism of the NYT op ed guy while on the campaign trail? He said the guy is nuts for allowing Trump to implement 90% of his policies and the guy only stopping 10% as he said. So an C President is saying an administration official ignoring his oath and successfully working to subvert 10% of the elected President’s promised policies didn’t do enough. Obama not only approves of it but says more should be done by traitors in the administration.

      By the way I heard there were a whopping 750 people at his rally!

      Trump’s rallies! So many thousands it’s hard to count. Yeah, Obama’s economy totally rejected by last election nationally and state wide - that’s the guy we want rallying his troops.

    • jackclee lm profile imageAUTHOR

      Jack Lee 

      3 months ago from Yorktown NY

      T, I am not going to be dragged into your debate with PP... My advice to both is to just let it go and live to debate another day...

    • tsadjatko profile image

      3 months ago from now on

      Jack pointing out the tactics he used does not equate to an attack while all he has done to me is launch personal attacks from his diabolical methods. Instead of sitting on the fence here, Jack, tell me where I am wrong?

    • tsadjatko profile image

      3 months ago from now on

      There he goes again, demonstrating everything I say about him yet he has no clue he is doing it- cognitive impairment of some sort or else he is plain diabolical and knows what he is doing. He can’t stand to let it go but has to try to rationalize his behavior while ignoring points he can’t rationalize like he puts words in your mouth and twists what you say - he always starts with restating what you say like this

      “So according to you, I work my butt off to combat you and that makes me a narcissist”

      I never said that was why he is a narcissist, read the comments. Now he has raised that straw man he tries to equate me pointing out his diabolical methods with “working my butt off” so he can then conclude I am narcissistic - you see he is really diabolical and read the comments with that perspective and you will have to agree he is not someone to take seriously.

      Here ya go people, this is why I say all you have to do is read his comments closely and it is obvious he puts words in your mouth and twists what you say - he always starts with restating what you say which So according to you, I work my butt off to combat you and that makes me a narcissists

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      Jack Lee 

      3 months ago from Yorktown NY

      Dear all,

      I am glad this article have created so much angst among some readers. As the author, it is always nice to get readers and better when a reader make comments and repeated responses. This topic has generated tremendous views and helped with my daily payout.

      As to the comment regsrding staying with topic, I always err on the side of allowing postings to go thru since I am not a believer of censorship.

      I hope everyone will use some self constraint and only engage in conversation up to three back and forth exchanges. I try to do the same though sometimes I just can’t help but respond.

      I also hope everyone be civil and not attack the person you disagree with but engage in discussion of various ideas and policies. That is the only way we can advance the conversation and perhaps reach a better understanding of all sides.

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      Mike Russo 

      3 months ago from Placentia California

      I have been on many forums and have published 69 articles, many of which are on niche web sites. My articles have over 80,000 views. My hub score has been in the mid 90's for years. I'm telling you this, not because I'm a narcissist as some falsely claim, but it should speak to my experiences on hub pages.

      I have found what causes forums and comments to go off topic are two types of comments; those which insult and ridicule others character, mostly for the fun of it and those which never accept others replies because they feel their replies are not good enough to meet their standards. They will constantly hound for better answer and after answering many times they don't answer, they declare, the person has no answer, not that it has become an exercise in futility.

      Both types not only cause off topic comments, but also create lengthy replies that "high-jack" the article or the topic. Yes and it is called high jacking the article on hub pages. I have seen that term used many times by others...end of story!

    • tsadjatko profile image

      3 months ago from now on

      Brad, exactly, the liberal playbook, change the subject if you are wrong but NEVER admit you are wrong or else it will be one more talking point you memorized for naught. Lol

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      Brad Masters 

      3 months ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Leslie

      Why didn't you respond to my last comment to you? My comment there responded to your last comment. Remember, it started with 3 million more votes.

      But instead of responding to that, you now change to gun control. I submit you didn't answer my comment is because you have no answers. Now, you want to distract and make this Trump economy article misdirected to your desires.

      Once again, I would encourage you to write your own articles if this is your game.

    • tsadjatko profile image

      3 months ago from now on

      Leave it to Leslie to compare America to Communist Russia under Stalin!

      Truth is that is what she really wants America to become.

      Before spewing polls Leslie should take a tip from Brad’s methodology of vetting “news”. Brad would first say how were those questions posed, what were the possible answers, what was the party and demographic make up of the sample, and probably 10 more questions that if answered would show stats Leslie is citing are either lies or poor polls misinterpreted to get a preconceived result. After the last election it’s hard to believe any liberal would trust the results of any polls, unless of course the poll gives them the answer they want - you’d think they learned their lesson after Hiliary didn’t win in a landslide.

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      3 months ago from now on

      Jack, see this is the type of twisting PP does, even in leaving it’s all about him - he hijacked your hubpage? No one can possibly hijack a hub page, allowing comments is totally up to the author so if he thinks he can hijack a hub page he doesn’t understand you can’t hijack something you have been given permission to use or comment on. But of course PP thinks HE has the “power”, “people power” you know.

      Everytime he opens his mouth he demonstrates a narcissistic way of viewing everything. I could demonstrate that on all his comments but it is there for anyone with discernment to see so why should I waste your time and mine? He is just pathetic, like how he tried to convince Paula into believing his BS about telling Brad to go to try and dupe her into making up, while he ignored totally that Paula agreed with me that he twists things to say other than is meant.

      “hate to agree with T but you DO put words in people's mouths...or twist what they say. I overlook it because I know that's a symptom of the disease of liberalism. I always try to give liberals a break because they're so damned pathetic.“

      That’s really why he struck back at her but he can’t make up some excuse because he knows he puts words in people’s mouth and twists things - he is so full of it.

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      Jack Lee 

      3 months ago from Yorktown NY

      Leslie, i don’t know where you are getting those numbers but they are misleading at best. The abortion issue is 50%, and has been since 1973 when the case was decided by the Supreme Court. Our country is evenly divided and that is one reason elections has been close going back to Gore vs. Bush. If anything, 70% of the people want our borders secured.

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      Leslie McCowen 

      3 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      70% want gun control. 70% want safe and legal abortion. 70% want rich to pay more taxes. 70% want freedom from religion. His disapproval rating is 60%.

      You will never see it, this I know. It’s an endless stupid battle to hold onto power, while the rest of us just want to share it.

      There will be myriad articles, people....even testimony proving this election was a farce, but it won’t matter.

      You want what you want and that’s that.

      https://youtu.be/GJa3MCBLWk4

      https://youtu.be/C5Uey_jekNY

      Pick one. Then Pooh Pooh it and insult.

      “The only thing that matters is who counts the votes”—Joseph Stalin

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      Brad Masters 

      3 months ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Jack

      That is fine. But, I don't believe in agreeing to disagree in distractions. The whole point of your article was the Trump economy. But the comments didn't stay on topic. I agreed with the list of facts you provided, but they weren't discussed in the comments.

      I knowingly followed the distractions to show that the distractions were wrong themselves. It is not about changing minds, it is about making arguments to support your position.

      Anyway, del my comments

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      Jack Lee 

      3 months ago from Yorktown NY

      My general attitude, with regards to comments is to refrain from more than 3 exchanges between any two individual. After that, you are not going to sway anyone...

      Just agree to disagree and move on.

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      Brad Masters 

      3 months ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Jack

      What say you, it is your article?

      I am OK with any decision.

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      3 months ago from now on

      Jack, I am sorry too that it won’t happen on PP’s side, I’d prefer making you more money here whipping his “butt” or at least working it off.

      Brad, tell Leslie Trump won the electoral college 304 to 227 - not even close, you know if Hiliary had won the electoral college and Trump won the popular vote Leslie and all the liberals would be calling us sore losers.

      On top of legitimately winning an election which Obama himself said repeatedly could never be rigged, Trump won 30 out of 50 states and more counties than any candidate on our side since Ronald Reagan."

      Overall, Trump won 2,622 counties while Clinton won 490, most of which were much more populous. Still, the shifts were large enough for a number of pickups. Trump snagged 220 counties that voted for President Obama in 2012, while Clinton poached 17 that went for Mitt Romney.

      But of course Hiliary should be elected because she won an election nobody was running for - the popular vote.

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      Brad Masters 

      3 months ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Leslie

      B:

      You and Mike just like the path not taken, and I mean staying on topic. Your comments have the universal effect of being off topic in most articles. You use the comment as a sounding board for the irrelevant, vague and ambiguous comments of the left.

      I will follow you and Mike off the path as long as the author allows it.

      --------------------------------------

      "Erm.....Hillary got 3 million more votes than Trump. White people put him there.

      B:

      3 million more popular votes, and what is their importance in winning the presidential election. NONE! It is the Electoral College that put Donald Trump in the WH.

      What White People, do you mean Americans?

      If you want to know where those 3 million votes can be found, they are all in CA. And CA gave all of its 55 EC votes to Hillary. Yet, Trump trounced Hillary in the EC 304 to 230.

      The Hispanic population in CA is greater than the white population ever so slightly. And we don't know how many of the illegal aliens voted in the election.

      B:

      "Since 1996, a federal law has prohibited non-citizens from voting in federal elections, punishing them by fines, imprisonment, inadmissibility, and deportation"

      CA along with many states doesn't allow voters to be questioned or provide identification when voting. So, we don't know the answer to how many aliens voted in the 2016 presidential election.

      -------------------------------

      America is not blueblood white privilege anymore.

      B:

      What is blueblood?

      What is white privilege?

      Is this a racist statement against white people?

      --------------------------------

      You can not stop the will of the majority, which does not favor Trumpism.

      B:

      What majority doesn't favor "Trumpism". Does using this term make your comment any better?

      -------------------------------

      You can only contain it in chains, which Trumpists apparently have no problem doing.

      B:

      Vague, ambiguous and irrelevant statement! What does it mean to you?

      -----------------------------

      We must rely on the goodwill of those Republicans (not Trumpists) who rule to wake up. And fast."

      B:

      You should be on the DNC public relations?

      Where is the goodwill of the Democrats? (not those afflicted with TDS)

      ---------------------------

      What do you now have to say about the success of the Trump generated economy?

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      Mike Russo 

      3 months ago from Placentia California

      Jack: I'm so sorry. T and I have high jacked your article and made it our personal argument. It won't happen again, at least not from my side.

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      Mike Russo 

      3 months ago from Placentia California

      T: You almost got me there kid. I forgot I even wrote that article. In that sense, I am hypocritical.

      So according to you, I work my butt off to combat you and that makes me a narcissists, but you don't work your butt off to combat me..really? It's just comes easy for you to insult and ridicule liberals. All you need is your Conservapedia play book.

      At least I backup my assertions with credible sources. Your assertions of me are nothing more than your twisted opinion of me to just simply put me down, because in your view I'm some dumb a** liberal, just like all the other liberals that you categorize into boxes.

      This is from that Article on Does Trump Suffer from NPD? These symptoms fit Trump's behavior almost perfectly, not mine.

      According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition (DSM-5), individuals with NPD, typically have most or all of the following symptoms:

      1. Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment from others.attractiveness, etc.

      2. Self-perception of being unique, superior and associated with high-status people and institutions

      3. Needing constant admiration from others

      4. Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others

      5. Exploitative of others to achieve personal gain

      6.Unwilling to empathize with others' feelings, wishes, or needs

      7. Intensely envious of others and the belief that others are equally envious of them

      8. Pompous and arrogant demeanor

      9. It should be noted NPD is not a psychological disorder, but rather a personality disorder.

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      Leslie McCowen 

      3 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Erm.....Hillary got 3 million more votes than Trump. White people put him there.

      America is not blueblood white privilege anymore.

      You can not stop the will of the majority, which does not favor Trumpism.

      You can only contain it in chains, which Trumpists apparently have no problem doing.

      We must rely on the goodwill of those Republicans (not Trumpists) who rule to wake up. And fast.

    • tsadjatko profile image

      3 months ago from now on

      "…things will never change in America"

      Obviously you are referring to your idol Barack Obama who made part of his historic journey to the White House on foot, after promising to "begin again the work of remaking America" in his inaugural address.

      Well Leslie you got that right, "things" like remaking America into Obamaville will never happen, your kind tried it and we rejected it...resoundingly.

      The rest of what you say is the product of your delusions, you really, really need to get help. It's you that is a problem, not everyone in America who disagrees with your delusions.

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      Leslie McCowen 

      3 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      I believe my point is made. Maga means mean. And it has always been such. Bircher/Birther/Tea Party/Trump.

      All up on their high horse....so quick to stomp anyone down.

      And if you notice, if you critique Trump, they critique you! Personally and viciously. It's the same with Bush, Reagan, Netanyahu and now Putin....any critique of them becomes a nonstop personal attack on you.

      Its why things will never change in America.

      People like Jack are willing to be kind, treat you as a fellow human.

      Others, as if you have no right to exist.

      The funny thing is these people continually see themselves as fighting for freeedom.

      Yes.....their freedom from you.

      Its total control they want. Just look at them banning people alltogether.

      Funnny, one who mentions banning people once started a thread with Obama as the devil with red eyes, asking the question "why do liberals hate America?"

      Why are is that one still here?

      You see, they want others gone so they are dominant.

      And they will call you anti American for not agreeing with them.

      Its too far gone.

      They truly think they own America.....own Hubpages.

      And no one else has the right to exist. Exist, ok. Just bow to them.

      And heres a good trick. When they are going off on you for "hating Trump hating America hating yourself hate hate hate hate hate"......

      Ask them how they feel bout Hillary.

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      Paula 

      3 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Mike......Our previous exchanges should have been enough for you to know that we have communicated just fine while being opponents. Further, I have been honest and forthcoming with everyone on our site, While I freely admitted my only goal has ever been keeping that corrupt, phony, lying woman from any position in our government, I am not a fan of DJT. That the conservatives have control currently is wonderful, in general, for the country. As we have all lamented more than once, the American voter was given 2 horrendous choices. For this I place full blame on the parties themselves. This does not mean, nor has it ever, that I feel Trump conducts himself in an appropriate manner, nor that he doesn't continually cause angst and his insistence upon being defensive at every turn is ludicrous.

      I do not accept being lumped in with all conservatives as Trumpites, or being one of his devotees. My devotion is firmly with America. I am fair and I am aware. Certainly I do not approve of his antics. I DO approve of most of his important accomplishments. At least I needn't fear "Socialism" with him.

      In any event, don't feel you need to apologize. I am one who speaks her mind and then moves on.

      But what has occurred here, in precisely why I feel continual back & forth argument and animosity solves NOTHING but it does create chaos and anger. I was not lecturing you nor trying to insult you but merely pointing out the futility of struggling to get your points across. You said it yourself. Brad will NEVER accept your beliefs, explanations nor your research. Surely you have better ways to spend your time and energy.

      That's all I have to say. I hold no negative aftermath. Paula

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      3 months ago from now on

      Wow, PP, looks like you are really working your butt off now, trying to twist and turn anything said. It is a shame because NOBODY cares!

      Interesting how as you pretend to go down point by point you skip points you can’t fabricate an excuse or insult for, but then we have your number, nothing you say is surprising like I’m not qualified to judge you a narcissist when “Dr. PP” wrote a whole page calling Trump a narcissist! If I am such a sicko why would you even bother working your butt off to combat me except that it always has to be all about you, the definition of a narcissist, which evidently you have no qualifications either to call anyone a narcissist, which makes you a hypocrite to boot. Put that in your butt and work it.

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      Mike Russo 

      3 months ago from Placentia California

      Paula: I have been thinking about my original reply to you and I think it started from a breakdown in communications. This is what you said:

      "Go play your games with someone else?" HUH? Mike, what are you thinking? This is not your article. If you were not willingly playing games with Brad, you're free to GO. Why do you tell Brad to go?"

      I took that to mean get off of this article, because it doesn't belong to you. And then you are asking me why did I tell Brad to go.

      This was my original reply to Brad:

      "Brad: Did you even read my links? I knew you were going to do this. I'm through with you. Go play your games with someone else.

      What I should have said is Go play your games with someone else in this article.

      You were giving me a command to go and then I miss read what you wrote, about why do you tell Brad to go. I read it as why did you tell Brad to go?

      With those two comments, I became offended and struck back, just like you would. It sounded offensive to me. I'm sorry if I caused you any pain, but I doubt that because, you are one tough marine. I was in the Air Force, but I'm not misogynistic believe me.

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      Mike Russo 

      3 months ago from Placentia California

      T:

      T: So there it is, PP confirms everything we observe about his behavior everytime he opens his mouth. Any criticism I’ve made or Paula of him is demonstrable in almost everything he says and somehow he can’t even see it, a distinct cognitive impairment which can’t be cured.

      M: So there it is. You make an assertion and make it sound like fact, when you don't know what the hell you are talking about. I have no cognitive impairment. Don't you realize you are lying. You may even be sociopathic like your glorious leader.

      T: It’s impossible to have a cogent discussion with a person who can not discern what you say to him if it in any way challenges his self image of a narcissist and when you do that he responds with the only thing he knows how, attack the messenger, call him a troll or everything that he is in reality, just another liberal tactic.

      M: Now you are a shrink by calling me a narcissist.? When did you get your degree? Or is that just a tactic you are using out of your conservative playbook?

      T: Boo boo he busted his butt looking up links that Brad didn’t read. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve post links for him he never read, but I didn’t whine about my butt. And his talk about Gish gallop, his comment with all those links and demanding Brad to absorb it is a perfect example of Gish gallop.

      M: Do you even realize that what you just said sounds like a bullying child? Is that the best you have, is to make fun of others by setting up false scenarios? Again you are lying. But then sociopaths can't even tell they are lying. Which tactic number out your playbook are you applying to me. Is it 23, 49, or 57?

      T: And Paula, who said I don’t like you? I never said that! Of course I know you don’t “like” me and that’s Ok However if you want to believe that I don’t like you I have too say I am beginning to like you, a lot.

      M: Oh how sweet, now you have somebody you can admire. Please do me a favor and please grow up. Your tactic of saying to people you don't like is "every time they open their mouth they are demonstrating that blah, blah, blah and they are suffering from blah, blah, blah, and therefore, they can't blah, blah blah." But then again that's how liberals are blah, blah, blah.

      You don't even realize it, but your are operating off of a template that requires very little thought. All you do is fill in the blanks. How is that for cognitive impairment?

      That tactic is getting old and boring. I wish you would come up with something more creative and maybe even tell the truth. But I don't think you are capable. You get your jolly's doing this. But maybe you are good at analyzing people. Maybe you could analyse yourself and find out you are sociopathic.

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      3 months ago from now on

      So there it is, PP confirms everything we observe about his behavior everytime he opens his mouth. Any criticism I’ve made or Paula of him is demonstrable in almost everything he says and somehow he can’t even see it, a distinct cognitive impairment which can’t be cured. It’s impossible to have a cogent discussion with a person who can not discern what you say to him if it in any way challenges his self image of a narcissist and when you do that he responds with the only thing he knows how, attack the messenger, call him a troll or everything that he is in reality, just another liberal tactic.

      Boo boo he busted his butt looking up links that Brad didn’t read. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve post links for him he never read, but I didn’t whine about my butt. And his talk about Gish gallop, his comment with all those links and demanding Brad to absorb it is a perfect example of Gish gallop.

      And Paula, who said I don’t like you? I never said that! Of course I know you don’t “like” me and that’s Ok However if you want to believe that I don’t like you I have too say I am beginning to like you, a lot.

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      Mike Russo 

      3 months ago from Placentia California

      Brad:

      This is what you wrote:

      "No offense to your article, but Mike is never going to answer my comments about his comments. He never has time, he is too busy, but never to busy to attack the people that pose the questions that he can't or won't answer.

      He knows where to find me.

      Jack

      Great Article, looking forward to your next one.

      Bye:)"

      I answered you comments with links, but they are not good enough for you. I put a lot of time into doing my research and I learned a lot.

      The reason I reply to people who insult me faster than I reply to you is because I don't have to do research with them. I just have to defend myself with the proper words. That doesn't take as much time as it does to reply to your comments. Put yourself in my place for God's sake.

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      Mike Russo 

      3 months ago from Placentia California

      T: You and Paula both said I acted like a child throwing a temper tantrum. In a debate, what is the converse of a temper tantrum? It's called patience.

      This is what you said and it proves you and Paula don't know what you are talking about.

      "Paula doesn’t even understand what she is criticizing PP for. It’s obvious he doesn’t want understand what she is saying BECAUSE it’s always only about him, self agrandizing narcissist that he is whose idea of working his butt off is planting it in a chair 24 hours a day while surfing the net for links that in most cases are worthless."

      I'm going to tell you the same thing I told Paula. I did not say for Brad to go. I said I'm not playing your game anymore, go find somebody else to play your game. And you say I twist things. You a hypocrite and/or an uninformed troll

      As far as me spending time researching links, I learned from reading those links and coming to conclusions that I think will help others in the understanding of the topic. What have you learned by insulting liberals, other than satisfying you sick ego?

      The harm that comes from your insults is this type of Pi**ing contest. The benefit is only to your ego, not to others. I know you hate this term, but I do research and analysis of those links to learn and share what I have learned with others. What good do you achieve from insulting liberals using your Conservapedia playbook?

      In reference to your Conservapedia, you spend your time being brainwashed by a conservative playbook that teaches you how to insult and combat liberals

      While I spend my time learning about real world issues that affect everybody and sharing what I have learned, while you are learning from your conservative play book.

      Oh I know you are going to say I'm twisting the topic, but that is O.K. because I know that is what you have learned how to do, just keep applying those 63 techniques and see how far it gets you.

      This is not a game. These are real life situations. Your contributions on the forums and articles are based on how well you insult and make fun of liberals. You should be right proud of yourself.

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      Brad Masters 

      3 months ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Leslie

      B:

      You are going off target again!

      --------------------------------------------

      "This is the problem with Trumpism, and the Tea Party before it. Its core element is meanness. Towards past presidents, fellow Americans, even war hero's get pooped on by them.

      Its why i refer to them as the Brood of Vipers, or the Velociraptors. It fits!

      And dont try and deny it. Trump is as mean as they come.

      And sorry if your intellect appears to be shallow Brad. Each of my comments was a response to Jack. Its called conversation. C O N V E R S A T I O N.

      Understand?

      B:

      No I don't understand as you are not responding to Jack in this comment and you choose to use it as a bully pulpit.

      We know you are an Anti Trumper.

      And like Mike you never answer the questions, even the ones that you put into play. This is what you guys call answering a question?

      Oooh, i so love being Trumpian!"

      It has to do with Jack going off target, but you have not been on target at all.

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      Paula 

      3 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Mike.....All due respect, I have never gotten "into it" with you despite our opposing attitudes. I have never "insulted" you. I have, in fact insulted liberal TROLLS (expressly meaning Leslie!) who literally asks for it and deserves it! Period, the end. She is abominable.....ask ANYONE! She needs to go back to writing comments to herself in her own articles. She's the only one who makes any friggin sense to herself! Go ahead, defend that liberal loon. Then I can make the same snide comment you did about "YOU TWO," referring to T and myself. You think we're a tag team?? We don't even like each other! We just both happen to use our brains and say what we think! I thought that is what you try to do?? Didn't you tell me this is America? Make up your mind!

      Excuse me? You say I'm "opinionated" as if that's a bad thing! Is that the same damned thing as all people "having their opinions?" Or do you use "opinionated" to label me because you think you're insulting me?? Is "opinionated" rather than "having one's opinions" reserved for just women, Mike?? Yes, by God, I have an excellent brain and I think and therefore I HAVE OPINIONS. Don't you??

      Caustic? That I can be, absolutely! Little trick I learned in the Marines to protect myself from being dismissed, bullied, overpowered and disrespected by bastards who erroneously believe they're superior to me because they own a penis. I am definitely proud to claim I take NO crap from anyone! Never have, never will. Why should I and why would I? and why would anyone think I should?

      Someone pushes me,,,I push back harder......try to knock me....I'll verbally and intellectually knock them on their ass......move to harm or injury me or a loved one......I'll move them into a jail cell. I am NOT a weak, helpless female who shrinks at loud noises or blowhards who try to make them. I learned quickly, you get nowhere in life, cow-towing to a bunch of morons with no respect for others! Caustic?? I certainly CAN be and only the fools will try me. Usually don't get a second try at me. Too bad you don't know more women just like me! That's your problem. Not mine.

      I can be anyone or anything I choose to be. I can be the very best, generous, kind, loving & loyal friend a person ever had OR their worst friggan nightmare. The fact is, that choice is up to THEM. I treat people as they treat me! No ifs, and or buts. I was taught that my entire life by 2 of the greatest people ever. It's never failed me.

      I merely told you that rather than complaining about Brad....STOP sparring with him and "working so hard" to have him think like you. Guess what? It ain't gonna happen! And, I hate to agree with T but you DO put words in people's mouths...or twist what they say. I overlook it because I know that's a symptom of the disease of liberalism. I always try to give liberals a break because they're so damned pathetic.

      Allow me to use your own feelings toward Brad......go pick on someone else. I didn't/don't deserve your anger!

      I'm sure you are a patient man.......just not right now and not here and not with me! Thanks, misogynist!

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      Leslie McCowen 

      3 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      This is the problem with Trumpism, and the Tea Party before it. Its core element is meanness. Towards past presidents, fellow Americans, even war hero's get pooped on by them.

      Its why i refer to them as the Brood of Vipers, or the Velociraptors. It fits!

      And dont try and deny it. Trump is as mean as they come.

      And sorry if your intellect appears to be shallow Brad. Each of my comments was a response to Jack. Its called conversation. C O N V E R S A T I O N.

      Understand?

      Oooh, i so love being Trumpian!

    • tsadjatko profile image

      3 months ago from now on

      The liberal playbook definition of a troll:

      Troll: Anyone who calls you out for using despicable liberal “playbook” tactics and/or presents facts you can’t refute.

      For more information go to: https://www.conservapedia.com/Liberal_tricks

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      3 months ago from now on

      PP I know people who say whatever you say is twisted and illogical, you use diabolical tactics to discuss anything and ignire any facts that prove you wrong or you twist them to say they mean something they don’t just like you have out of the blue made this a discussion of your patience - nobody has even claimed your patience is an issue. Paula called you out for telling brad to go and your temper & short-sightedness! Not your patience but you see this is exactly what you do twist everything and then argue against a false premise. And I can guess what kind of people praise you for your patience. Certainly nobody who has been on the receiving end of your nonsense.

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      Mike Russo 

      3 months ago from Placentia California

      Paula and T: You really don't know me and by the same token I really don't know you. However, people that do know me, say I'm one of those most patient people they know. Many people on these forums have remarked as to how patient I am. They said they wouldn't put up with the BS and would have left a long time ago.

      You are right I do get hooked by Brad. And I do try to answer his every question. That is a testament to my patience. I also like to try new things; that's why I put the links in because I thought they were credible and links don't take a lot of space in comments.

      If you don't think that takes patience and perseverance and you would rather insult me as some raging liberal child throwing a tantrum then so be it. By the way I'm almost 80 years old and I probably have more wisdom and patience in my little finger than both of you have in your whole body.

      But T you are nothing but a troll. Again I really don't know you, but I do know that you get a perverse enjoyment out of insulting liberals and making claims and insults that you can't back up.

      Paula, we both know how opinionated you are and how caustic you can be. And I'm prepared for more insults from both of you. By the way in all the times I have debated Brad, I have never insulted him the way you people insult liberals.

      T you remind me of a scraggly a** crow who has nothing better to do but sit on a fence and squawk inane insults every time a liberal walks by.

      T: I can imagine what you are going to say. Look, he is an 80 year old liberal and has dementia, that and TDS are his real problems.

      Jack: I'm sorry, we were having decent civil debates until these two came on the scene.

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      Paula 

      3 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Hey....right wing nut No. 2.....are you salted or unsalted? Honey-coated or cajun? Hazelnut, peanut or walnut? This is vital information. I can't be seen conversing with just any old nut.

      Specify your nut of origin!

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      Brad Masters 

      3 months ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Leslie

      And "right wing nubs" is on topic.

      "Leslie Mccowen

      20 hours ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Where your heart lies, there shall your treasure be.

      And I have to say, as far as derangement syndromes go, nothing is as deranged as HDS.

      https://mobile.twitter.com/VibinWoosh/status/10379...

      B: Is this also on topic?

      --------------

      "Leslie Mccowen

      18 hours ago from Cape Cod, USA

      I dont recall any fanfare for BO.....strange.

      https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/...

      B:

      Is this comment also on topic?

      --------------------------------

      Jack

      No offense to your article, but Mike is never going to answer my comments about his comments. He never has time, he is too busy, but never to busy to attack the people that pose the questions that he can't or won't answer.

      He knows where to find me.

      Jack

      Great Article, looking forward to your next one.

      Bye:)

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      Paula 

      3 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Being told you're off topic by someone literally off their rocker, is a complete waste of energy.

      I'm way ahead of you Jack! On my way to a shopping spree & Seafood luncheon with friends!!

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      Brad Masters 

      3 months ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Jack the topic is the Trump economy and Coal Mining getting active again is part of the boost in the economy. And when Mike starts attacking the coal miners and his concerned scientist that means he is against the boost in the economy from the coal industry.

      The coal is another source of energy, and president Trump is working towards not being reliant on other countries for our energy resources, like the 2 artificial oil shortages in the 70s that lost of dominance in the automaking industry and it thrust us into an economic downturn.

      Mike the people power brought up the coal mining but he refused or is unable to answer my question were are associated with his comment.

      It is your article and you can del my comments if you think they are off topic, but I am not alone in that tangent.

      I also addressed his jobs and U6 comment which is squarely on topic, and he refuses to answer questions on it.

      As for people that don't really contribute to the article and make personal attacks on people, that is clearly off topic, unless in response to them we call them out.

      The economy is doing so well that former president Obama wants to take credit for it. That validates and verifies the content of your article.

      del if u wish. my points have been made.

    • tsadjatko profile image

      3 months ago from now on

      Jack, now you are sounding like a right wing nut!

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      Jack Lee 

      3 months ago from Yorktown NY

      Why don’t we all take a breath and a break and enjoy the weekend.

    • tsadjatko profile image

      3 months ago from now on

      Leslie wasn’t referring to you jack, but the best thing to do is just ignore her because she is the queen of going off topic.

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      Jack Lee 

      3 months ago from Yorktown NY

      Leslie,

      How did I go off topic?

      I was just reiterating my main point of this article.

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      Leslie McCowen 

      3 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Your 2 right wing nuts seem to have gone off topic jack.

      Just pointing it out.

    • tsadjatko profile image

      3 months ago from now on

      Well since you asked, Paula, I think liberals are beyond the raising stage. They are like the prodigal son. They want what they want, no they demand what they want and when it’s given them they squander it. The only hope then is that they get sick of eating with the hogs and come home to realize their life as a liberal leads to naught.

      “Paula: You stepping in and criticizing me for something that you don't even understand is quite presumptuous on your part. I always work my butt off to answer Brad's questions.“

      As usual PPs reply to you demonstrates once again how he twists whatever you say to mean something you didn’t say. You were not presumptuous at all but what is presumptuous is PP saying Paula doesn’t even understand what she is criticizing PP for. It’s obvious he doesn’t want understand what she is saying BECAUSE it’s always only about him, self agrandizing narcissist that he is whose idea of working his butt off is planting it in a chair 24 hours a day while surfing the net for links that in most cases are worthless.

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      Jack Lee 

      3 months ago from Yorktown NY

      I started this article as a response to a friend who believes the current economic boom is just business as normal...part of an economic cycle and a continuation of the Obama recovery. Just yesterday, we had President Obama giving a speech about how the Trump economic success was a continuation of the recovery he started.

      I beg to differ. The actions and policies and laws put in place by President Trump is a direct reason for this strong positive outcome.

      The economy does go in a cycle with or without Government intervention. It is just whether the intervention is a help or a hinder. In the Obama years, it was a hinder to a regular recovery after a deep recession. In the Trump first two years, he reversed the hindering part and added fuel to make it a boom. That is the difference.

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      Paula 

      3 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Well, T.....I know, but it's OK. Really. Just think way back when we were raising our children. They get to that certain age & stage when they're feeling they should simply & magically have everything they want, how they want it, when and why. We then, as the mature, experienced, sensible & responsible adults, must tell them about the real world and how it works.

      Then, sweet, naive, stubborn, selfish & unlearned as they are, the full-blown tantrums come. Kicking, screaming, crying, foot-stomping, throwing things...you know the drill. Sooner or later, there comes that moment in time when they've emerged from their child-like ways and they become rational, thinking adults. They understand their parents were correct in protecting them from themselves.

      Come to think of it T, children are much easier to raise than liberals, don't you think?

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      Paula 

      3 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      See what I mean, Mike? Why get so nasty & defensive? You & Brad have gone at it forever. I did NOT refer to YOU as insane......but to "all" the unending exchanges that get heated & end in futility. You've told Brad you're not playing his game anymore, several times, yet you continue to spar with him, knowing he feels your answers are "not compelling enough for him." Yes, this sure is still America and Yes, you have the right to tell Brad (anyone) you're "not playing his game anymore." So, then don't bite each & every time you read his comments.

      If you feel I'm "presumptuous," so be it. I have no need to defend myself. WHO do I think I am? Mike, Sir, I KNOW who I am and for one, I too am an American with every right & privilege you have.

      But I forgive you for your temper & short-sightedness because I'm aware you're an angry, short-sighted liberal. Please never make the dreaded mistake to think I "don't understand." I clearly see right through lib vitriol, no matter how it's disguised.

      I hope you have a peaceful, productive day. You might want to start by avoiding Brad. You can hate me too, Mike. Surprisingly, it won't alter my life in the least. I have a feeling when DJT is no longer in office, you and all the screeching Mad-Maxines, will settle right down & cease the constant tantrums. Take a deep breath, Mike.

    • tsadjatko profile image

      3 months ago from now on

      Paula, I think someone has too much time on his/her hands. I don’t know who but we can guess.

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      Mike Russo 

      3 months ago from Placentia California

      Paula: You stepping in and criticizing me for something that you don't even understand is quite presumptuous on your part. I always work my butt off to answer Brad's questions.

      I had links to everyone of his questions and he asked the same questions over again as if I didn't answer them. He is never satisfied with my answers because he says my answers are not compelling enough for him. He plays attorney, judge, and jury and I'm tired of it.

      The last time I looked, this is still America and I have the right to tell him I'm not playing his game anymore, even though this is not my article.

      I also have the right to follow this article and reply to others. Who do you think you are telling me to go? And you have the gall to say I'm insane and punch drunk?

      By the way, I didn't tell Brad to go. I told him to go play his game with someone else, meaning not with me. He is free to do whatever he wants. I'm just not replying to him anymore. Now do you understand?

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      Paula 

      3 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Oh Leslie......You don't recall any fanfare for Obama because you were probably busy passing out warm milk & cookies to all the nice ladies standing in line at the abortion clinics....their preferred method of birth control.

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      Paula 

      3 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      "Go play your games with someone else?" HUH? Mike, what are you thinking? This is not your article. If you were not willingly playing games with Brad, you're free to GO. Why do you tell Brad to go?

      That's like going to your neighbor's house to fight with a 3rd party in his house and then getting angry with that 3rd party & telling him to go fight elsewhere with someone else.!! Only your neighbor can kick both of you out!

      I think all this insane exchange raging on endlessly has some people a little punch drunk!

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      3 months ago

      Brad , you don’t know how lucky you are!

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      Mike Russo 

      3 months ago from Placentia California

      Brad: Did you even read my links? I knew you were going to do this. I'm through with you. Go play your games with someone else.

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      Leslie McCowen 

      3 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      I dont recall any fanfare for BO.....strange.

      https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/...

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      Brad Masters 

      3 months ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      "Just added 201k jobs and U6 dropped to 7.4%. Wages up 2.9%... good news continue. What will the Democrats run on in November?"

      Here is the link to the entire article. Notice that manufacturing payroll dropped by 3,000. Do you think that is because of robots replacing 3,000 people?

      B:

      The article doesn't mention anyone losing their job over robots.

      And do you really believe that the recession was over in 2009? The $1.5 Trillion dollars bailouts only covered the companies that actually caused the meltdown. But the government neither GW Bush or Obama helped those victims that got these bogus loans. They lost their houses, and the banks that got bailed out didn't help them at all. They didn't even share their money with other banks.

      These people also lost their jobs, their livelihood as well as their houses. Many of them never got another job, and they fell off the unemployment statistics for that.

      In any, case the rest of the report looks good for president Trump. Thanks.

      ------------------------------

      The beginning of Mike's linked Bloomberg report.

      "American wages unexpectedly climbed in August by the most since the recession ended in 2009 and hiring rose by more than forecast, keeping the Federal Reserve on track to lift interest rates this month and making another hike in December more likely"

      B:

      The FRB was instrumental in making the economic 2008 meltdown happen. Now they are doing it again.

      In 2008 they didn't raise the rate, and if they did the crash might have been stopped before it started as many of the loans would have failed.

      In 2018 they want to raise the rate to stop the rise in the economy.

      -------------------------------------------.

      Mike's link

      Average hourly earnings for private workers increased 2.9 percent from a year earlier, a Labor Department report showed Friday, exceeding all estimates in a Bloomberg survey and the median projection for 2.7 percent. Nonfarm payrolls rose 201,000 from the prior month, topping the median forecast for 190,000 jobs. The unemployment rate was unchanged at 3.9 percent, still near the lowest since the 1960s.

      B:

      Thanks from the president for you recognizing what good he has done here.

      -------------------------------------

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      Brad Masters 

      3 months ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Mike

      "Brad: Do you realize I printed out your comments and they occupy three 8 1/2 x 11 inch pages? Your comments are like what a Hubber Dean Taylor calls Gish Gallop. That's where a person tries to overwhelm his opponent by verbosity."

      B:

      What difference three lines or three pages, you don't answer them at all. And you are going to quote Dean, between the two of you maybe you wrote 6 articles this years.

      Dean and yourself excel in not answering questions.

      -------------------------------------

      For the sake of brevity, I have assigned topic headings to each of your sections.

      Re-training Coal Miners

      In today's technology, there are many online courses a person can take without ever leaving home. One can even get a degree online. In one of my earlier comments, I mentioned high tech companies coming to the Appalachian areas to teach coding for their companies. Further there are many high tech jobs that lend themselves to telecommuting. How would you like to make 80 grand a year and never have to leave home?

      B:

      I have made twice that, but I do have to leave my home.

      Telecommuting is a limited job sect.

      And how does this answer my questions, you cherry pick and then give a very limited answer to one part of a question.

      Mike here are the ones you ignored, while writing a paragraph on how long are my comments.

      -----

      I have always said that survival is always based on how well a system and people can adjust to change. Steel plants have shutdown or downsized because of technology. Many of the jobs that were done by assembly plant workers have been taken over by robots.

      B:

      We didn't need to shutdown steel plants either, and they weren't downsized because of technology they were driven out by the same trade imbalance that president Trump is making balanced.

      ---------------------------

      That's why cities that were a paragon of car manufacturing are now defunct.

      B:

      Really, the start of making those defunct was the result of 2 artificial oil shortages by OPEC to teach us a lesson for backing Israel. Those oil shortages allowed the European, Japanese and even Korean cars to get a foothold because they were smaller, cheaper, and had better MPG.

      Now you have a problem because president Trump is making sure that we don't rely on OPEC or any country for energy resources. We lost that ability to provide enough energy for domestic use starting in the 70s.

      ------------------------------

      Robots are even making pizzas now. It's only a matter of time for self driving cars and ordering fast food from a robot. Limo and taxi services are going out of business because they cant can't compete with Lyft and Ubber.

      B:

      That is because Taxi's have heavy regulation, and very high taxes, and fees from the local government. Look at how much a medallion costs to operate a Taxi in NYC, the democrat stronghold of taxes and fees.

      - Self driving cars, Really!

      -Pizza, what do Californians know about Pizza?

      -----------------------------

      Trump is fulfilling his promises to those workers, but it is an empty promises as technology marches on and replaces their jobs and does the work more efficiently and at a cheaper cost.

      B:

      Then why do we need millions and millions of illegal aliens, and why do the democrats want them to be US citizens if technology can do their jobs.?

      ------------------------

      Robots don't take breaks, they don't require insurance, and they don't require benefits and raises. However, their operators and programmers, earn damn good money. Trump wants to return those people to the horse and buggy days, just to fulfill his promise to them.

      B:

      You can't compare the coal mining industry to automation. And yes technology makes good money but how many areas in the country have a need for these technological people?

      What does this have to do with coal mining and our need to keep these resources to help our energy needs. As the population increases so does our need to provide more energy. And do we really want the US to be dependent on other countries. Energy is part of the National Defense, without it nothing runs, thanks to your technology rant.

      ------------------------------

      What he should be doing is developing re-training and re-education programs that will create opportunities for jobs of the future, not the past.

      B:

      That isn't the issue, and again it applies more to your democrat fixation on bringing in non technological brute labor. How do they coexist in your mind.

      ------------------------------

      Mike

      I brought up other products that are as or more dangerous than coal mining.

      Tobacco - both an air pollution, and a medical health problem, and a dependency issue.

      Alcohol - The cause of many deaths from over consumption, a medical problem for health, and also a dependency issue.

      Illegal Drugs - Dependency issue, health issues including death, and criminal activities.

      Prescription Drugs - Dependency issue, health issues including death, and high prices.

      So why did you ignore these comments from my last comment. I suspect because you don't have an answer. And it detracts from your goal to disrespect president Trump and the Coal Miners.

      -----------------------------

      It is quite a coincidence that he keeps holding rallies in those states that are his base and also the ones with the most electoral college leveraged votes that got him elected.

      B:

      That is because these states were ignored by Hillary Clinton and the democrats. They think that the large cities that have voted democrats for decades will win the election, but they didn't.

      18 states have voted Democratic in six consecutive elections with 242 electoral votes

      CA - 55 votes

      NY - 29 votes

      IL - 20 votes

      PA - 20 votes

      ----

      124 votes 8% of the states accounts for 22% of the 540 votes total.

      and 45.9% of the needed 270 votes to win.

      -------------------------------------

      What you claim president Trump is doing for those democrat neglected areas is why he won the election. Hillary and the democrats didn't care, and couldn't be bothered.

      Mike

      Illegal Aliens, versus Coal Miners on Technological retraining??

      Coal versus Tobacco, Alcohol, and Drugs??

      Like Leslie, try again.

      Mike, you keep talking about robots, how do we know you aren't a robot:(

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      Mike Russo 

      3 months ago from Placentia California

      Jack: You wrote this:

      "Just added 201k jobs and U6 dropped to 7.4%. Wages up 2.9%... good news continue. What will the Democrats run on in November?"

      Here is the link to the entire article. Notice that manufacturing payroll dropped by 3,000. Do you think that is because of robots replacing 3,000 people?

      https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-07...

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      Brad Masters 

      3 months ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Leslie

      Can you at least stick answering the wish list comments?

      You didn't even try, and these links are not answers either.

      One more try, go....

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      Mike Russo 

      3 months ago from Placentia California

      Brad: Do you realize I printed out your comments and they occupy three 8 1/2 x 11 inch pages? Your comments are like what a Hubber Dean Taylor calls Gish Gallop. That's where a person tries to overwhelm his opponent by verbosity.

      For the sake of brevity, I have assigned topic headings to each of your sections.

      Re-training Coal Miners

      In today's technology, there are many online courses a person can take without ever leaving home. One can even get a degree online. In one of my earlier comments, I mentioned high tech companies coming to the Appalachian areas to teach coding for their companies. Further there are many high tech jobs that lend themselves to telecommuting. How would you like to make 80 grand a year and never have to leave home? Here is an article from PBS.

      https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/job-training-com...

      Steel Mills Downsize because of Technology

      http://www.aei.org/publication/the-main-reason-for...

      Taxis and Ubber

      https://nypost.com/2017/09/18/the-challenges-of-dr...

      Automating Pizzashttps://www.theverge.com/2017/6/28/15882852/zume-p...

      Migratory Workers

      https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-is-why-the-...

      Better Sources of Energy

      https://www.ucsusa.org/clean-energy/coal-and-other...

      Products more Dangerous than Coal (Your title)

      Tobacco, Alcohol, Illegal Drugs, Prescription Drugs.

      I'm sure many coal miners use all of those products. But tell them about heart and lung disease that they get from mining the coal.

      Trump and the Vote

      Trump has a 40% approval rating. That means 60% of the people don't approve of him. He never won the popular vote. That is why he only goes to electoral college states. The coal miners used to be mainly democrats, with Trump, they are quickly turning republican.

      None of these links are my opinion, but almost everything that you replied to in my comments is your opinion and is not valid. Do you see all the work I have to go through just to answer you dumb a** questions.

      I don't think when you are asking questions that you are actually visualize what you are putting people through. In addition, long replies like this get confusing when there are multiple comments being answered as there is no threaded hierarchy as there is in the forums.

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      3 months ago from now on

      Well done Brad you said basically what I was typing when your comment arrived but what the heck, it doesn’t hurt to repeat:

      Leslie is one of those who doesn’t realize the talking points she spouts aren’t a platform but every one is a ruse.

      “Higher taxes for the rich. Lower for the middle class.”

      Do the rich actually pay for the higher taxes when they become law? Technically, the answer is yes. But the reality is that those costs are usually just passed on to other people or spending is restricted. Either way, the net effect is often a huge hit on the economy. Millions of small and medium-sized businesses fall into the target zone for higher taxation. If a small business is hit with higher costs due to an increase in fuel prices or raw goods, those increases are usually just passed on to the consumers, and those with less disposable income see their costs rise to sometimes devastating levels.

      Middle class has just gotten a tax cut - you expect anyone to believe tax and spend Democrat Party is going to give them more? You’ve been watching too many Geico commercials!

      “Healthcare for all.....public option.”

      Lol tried that ruse, a ruse for gov’t control of 1/6 of economy. Nobody wants Obamacare again.

      “Find out who was conspiring with an enemy....foreign or domestic.”

      We already know all the evidence points to Hiliary and the Democrat party.

      “A true democracy; one man, one vote.”

      Yeah, a ruse to change a Republic which was never meant to be a true democracy for good reason but then you have no clue how wise and forward looking the founders were for creating a Republic.

      “Leave womens private lives out of your church/state.”

      They already are. The ruse is Democrats want to include murder of innocent babies in the womb by their own mothers as a woman’s right.

      “Same goes for same sex couples. Keep nose out.”

      Seems to me the government’s nose isn’t in their business but they are sticking their noses into the governments business which is freedom of religion. all the gays in America aren’t going to get the Democrats elected to anything.

      “Outenzee with Citizens United.”

      Settled law - this isn’t going to get Nazi Democrats elected either.

      “Gun control!”

      The ruse here is so obvious I don’t have to explain it.

      “Oh, and give those stolen kids back to their parents.”

      Another ruse, lying about the law the Democrats passed and Trump tried to get rid of to falsely make it look like he was doing anything wrong when he was doing his job, to enforce the law.

      Good list Leslie, hope your party you aren’t enrolled in adopts your talking points because that’s all they are. How these things are accomplished are the policies which is what parties run on, not talking points and any policy the Democrats would propose to achieve these talking points will immediately reveal the ruse that they are.

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      Leslie McCowen 

      3 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Where your heart lies, there shall your treasure be.

      And I have to say, as far as derangement syndromes go, nothing is as deranged as HDS.

      https://mobile.twitter.com/VibinWoosh/status/10379...

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      Jack Lee 

      3 months ago from Yorktown NY

      You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink...

      If you invested in SPY since election of Trump, you would have been 38% richer by now.

      Say no to cash and keep up your TDS. Who is insane?

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      Leslie McCowen 

      3 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Lol! Thanks, but no thanks. I come from the school of hard knocks......knock knock repubbies, anybody home?

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      Brad Masters 

      3 months ago from Orange County California BSIT BSL JD

      Higher taxes for the rich. Lower for the middle class.

      B:

      We already have that, and have had it forever?

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      Healthcare for all.....public option.

      B:

      for ALL, the federal workers, and state workers don't need it.

      And who is going to pay for it?

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      Find out who was conspiring with an enemy....foreign or domestic.

      B:

      Who is the enemy?

      If Russia is the enemy then Hillary Clinton conspired with Russia to get the Steele Dossier which was used to spy on Americans.

      Hillary and Obama also conspired to allow Russia 20% of US Uranium?

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      A true democracy; one man, one vote.

      B:

      The US is a democratic republic, do you know the difference?

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      Leave womens private lives out of your church/state.

      B:

      The Church and State are separate according to the 1st amendment, and that hasn't changed.

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      Same goes for same sex couples. Keep nose out.

      B:

      Who has their nose in it?

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      Outenzee with Citizens United.

      B:

      Very American word!

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      Gun control!

      B:

      We have gun control and it has been around for a long time!

      The democrats could have written any gun control law during 2009-2011 but they didn't. Why didn't they?

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      Oh, and give those stolen kids back to their parents.

      B:

      What parents, and what kids?

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      Thats only my wish....as a dem leaning unenrolled.

      B:

      "unenrolled"?

      What about Jobs

      What about the Economy

      What about peace?

      What about Tax Cuts enjoyed by the middle class?

      What about Fair Trade?

      What about letting the president of the US do his job, and if you don't like what he is doing, then vote against him in 2020.

      What about National Defense?

      What about vetting people coming into the country to root out criminals, terrorists, sick people mental and physical.

      What about getting politics out of the education system?

      What about people elected to congress to their job instead of resisting their job? Which is the help America and Americans and legal immigrants.

      .......

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