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The Verdict in the George Zimmerman\Trayvon Martin Case

Updated on July 13, 2013

The nation awaits the verdict in this gripping self-defense case in Sanford, Florida. This case reminds many of the O.J Simpson case because it is race and a killing. The difference is that Zimmerman did not murder Trayvon, but killed him. The Simpson case had murder, premeditated murder, all over it. Both are highly emotional cases that divides people. The fact OJ Simpson got off shocked just about everyone. That jury was mostly black and many think that is why. In the Zimmerman case, all are white women. George is Hispanic\white.

The outcomes of this case could be 2nd Degree murder, which most legal experts think will be a fluke if that occurs. Z had no premeditation to plot and hunt down a tall, 17 yr. old teen (not a child armed with only skittles) at night acting suspiciously (in the eyes of Z) in a condo complex that had several burglaries.

Another outcome is acquittal. The jury finds him not guilty.

A lesser charge of manslaughter, that is, a killing of a human occurs in the heat of the moment or wanton disregard for human life. This is the prosecution's back up position and one that many feel should have been the charge from the start. Many of the elements are there for this to occur and many legal experts expect this. This is what probably really happened.

A hung jury would mean that all six jurors could not agree and the prosecution would have to retry the case again.

What will be the reaction be by the Z and T supporters? If Z is acquitted, what will his life be like? Will some supporter from the Martin side hunt Z down somewhere, sometime, and kill him? That would be 2nd or 1st degree murder. If Z is convicted, what would the Z supporters do than could be worse than having a son or daughter killed?

Of course, if Z is convicted, the defense will appeal because the prosecution withheld evidence that has been disclosed.

Do you think George Zimmerman is guilty of murder?

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Nothing unusual cathlyn. I've also been told I enjoy killing babies and would enjoy watching my mother die.

      They can say whatever they like to me.

      Had you reported Jim-- most likely I would be banned. For starting trouble.

      And yes Arthur...every single American needs to google ALEC.

      Right under our noses, and by stealth: they have stolen America.

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      Arthur Bundy 4 years ago from Colorado Springs

      It is the convoluted nature of this law that is suspect. It is the kind of law that demands constitutional challenge.

      The Social Darwinian nature of this law is also suspect. As the comments in this hub have shown.

      The American Legislative Education Council and it's supporters are responsible for the content of these type of laws. Which as I see it, are solely for the purpose of creating social division among the American People.

      The question you need to be asking yourselves is what does the ALEC and their corporate supporters gain from social division of the masses?

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      cathylynn99 4 years ago from northeastern US

      if there were a "report" button, I would report jim and he would be banned from hubpages for wishing someone he disagrees with dead.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Awwwwww, now you hurt my widdle feewings.....

      Jim:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embed...

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      Jim 4 years ago

      "So, if my husband is an abuser, and he is coming at me to beat me: If I fight back, he can legally kill me?"

      If we could only be so lucky.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Just-Us system in America.

      You black: get back

      You white: well, allright

      Unless you're poor white....then you don't matter, either.

      Zimmy is connected.

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      Arthur Bundy 4 years ago from Colorado Springs

      I don't know.

      What I do know is a black lady in the State of Florida got 20 years for invoking the this law, when she simply shot a gun into the air to stop her abuser from attacking her.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      So, if my husband is an abuser, and he is coming at me to beat me: If I fight back, he can legally kill me?

      WOW

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      Arthur Bundy 4 years ago from Colorado Springs

      I have been following this discussion for sometime now.

      The prejudices displayed in these comments are very disturbing.

      The author has stated that it was a primarily black jury that acquitted OJ.

      Not true!

      Changing the venue from Brentwood to downtown LA politically charged the environment, and forced a predominantly black area to defend itself.

      I grew up a fan of OJ. I wanted him to be innocent in the worst way. But when he claimed that he would focus his energies on finding said killer, and then went out to the golf course, that's when I knew he was guilty.

      As for Zimmerman...

      Clearly, regardless of the result Zimmerman was the aggressor. Based on the law itself, the jury had no choice but to acquit him.

      776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:...(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

      (a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or...

      Zimmerman was the aggressor in this event and this little contradiction in the law is what got him off.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Oooops

      "The father of a 4-year-old who brought a loaded handgun to day care in Maine has pleaded not guilty to misdemeanor reckless conduct, claiming the incident was unintentional.

      The man, placed the loaded, semi-automatic .380 caliber pistol in his son’s day care bag when bringing it into his house and then forgot he had done so."

      http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/08/08/father-who-s...

      ********

      His right.

      Of course.

      And don't you try and regulate guns in daycare neither.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Carole----you implied I support murdering babies...are you nuts?

      Of course--I have to take this insult daily by people like you.

      Well--you can dish it out--you can take it too.

      Guns kill.

      Children are getting hands on guns and killing.

      No one cares because --"My Right".

      Martin was killed by a gun: Not an abortion.

      Why is that Holier than Thou? answer: It's not.

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      cathylynn99 4 years ago from northeastern US

      perry won't expand Medicaid, thereby denying children medical care, and causing their deaths.

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      Carole 4 years ago

      chris,

      Perry likes murdering children? Are you nuts?

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Interesting....a lot of what this guy says is echoed here on HP......

      Wonder if they get it from him?

      http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2013/08/frank-ta...

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      But they don't mind murdering kids already born......

      How many lately?

      Seems everyday I read about kids shooting each other...latest was 4 yrs old!

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      Carole 4 years ago

      It's amazing that some people get put down in this country because they don't support murdering babies.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      If you had "woman parts" you would know.

      And, the fact he has a rock with the N word on it tells me plenty about his character: lack of it!

      "3 agencies I'd get rid of ....1, 2........Ooops. Aww shucks, it's only a presidential debate nyuk nyuk.

      I'm no fan of Perry.

      Nor Zimmy. Nor that stupid jury. Nor the lame-brain judge. Nor the dumb-as-rocks defense.

      But that's America. "Where the stupid reigns on parade"

      Nyuk Nyuk

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      Mike 4 years ago

      Perry didn't do well in the presidential campaign, but I am unaware of him causing any harm to the state or people of Texas while governor.

      As for my comment on "The Boss", I'm not a huge fane of Christie either.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      I'm glad to hear Tejas is fair.......forgive me if I remain skeptical.

      After all....it's the home of "oooops" Perry.

      you know....N-Head rock?

      The Boss----an idiot?

      Don't let Christie hear you say that.

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      Mike 4 years ago

      Also, Bill Maher and Bruce Springsteen are idiots.

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      Mike 4 years ago

      "A man, who was just aquitted, after shooting to death a teenager---and that is not in question-- is speeding: pulled over: has weapon: and given slap on wrist?

      Sounds like the old boy network to me."

      He was found not guilty. It doesn't matter what he was charged with. He is legally a free man. The gun is no issue as it is legal to carry here even with a FL concealed carry permit. We have a reciprocity agreement with that state. I suspect he wasn't going very fast and was polite to the officer so he was given a warning. It happens.

      "The comments I see say; if a black man had been speeding, pulled over with gun, it would be

      A. "Out of the car, hands on head"

      or

      B. Bam!--DOA"

      If a black man immediately identified that he had a firearm and showed the officer his CHL, he would not be treated like that in a traffic stop. If he was, he would have grounds to sue. Essentially all traffic stops are filmed and Texans take their right to carry seriously.

      Texas is 38% hispanic or latino. If you are pulled over in the State of Texas there is a good chance the officer will be a minority. If you have to stop at a Border Patrol checkpoint (some are 10's of miles from the border) you will likely be talking to a minority officer.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      So--let me understand......

      A man, who was just aquitted, after shooting to death a teenager---and that is not in question-- is speeding: pulled over: has weapon: and given slap on wrist?

      Sounds like the old boy network to me.

      I wonder if you had been black, Mike--would you have been treated the same way?

      Because I read comments, and most black commenters seem to think differently.

      The comments I see say; if a black man had been speeding, pulled over with gun, it would be

      A. "Out of the car, hands on head"

      or

      B. Bam!--DOA

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      Mike 4 years ago

      I've been pulled over in Texas while carrying a pistol and given a warning by DPS. It happens. As long as you have a CHL and immediately inform the officer that you are armed there is no issue. He didn't ask to see the pistol or for me to get out the car. He basically didn't even care after he checked my card. Texas is not Massachusetts.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      hmmm, maybe that's why he's allowed to speed and have a gun, in TEXAS.....and get away with a warning.

      He can do no wrong. He takes no accountability for his actions.....and no one makes him.

      How long do you think that will last?

      One day he will hurt the wrong person, and then his free ride will be up.

      Tic toc, said the clock.

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      Mike 4 years ago

      not guilty-

      acquitted: declared not guilty of a specific offense or crime; legally blameless; "he stands acquitted on all charges"

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Murderer-

      Taking the life of another human being.

      Apologist-

      Making excuses for criminal behavior.

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      Mike 4 years ago

      nutjob-

      a crazy or foolish person.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Well, how about this:

      That nutjob can say that Zimmerman attacked him, and he shot out of self-defense.

      Then we will see if syg is real, or a license to kill for certain people only.

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      perrya 4 years ago

      There will be a nutjob, somewhere, that is going to act and then this whole tragedy will have come full circle with little being improved.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Nutjob....as in Right Wing?

      How dare you!

      Never in ten thousand lives.

      Ewwwwwwww

      Yuk

      and

      Gag.

      "Oh Rush, pass me the kaopeptate...those libs were so hard on me today."

      "There there Glenn......once I get fired from radio: I'll join your station."

      "We'll have another Morning Zoo, updated for 2013."

      "Morning Insane Asylum."

      yeah...that's the ticket....

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      Mike 4 years ago

      Simmer down, nutjob.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      It is your own actions which condemn you....you Bible thumpers should know this!

      "As you sow, so shall you reap"

      I personally would hate to be Zimmy.

      My advice? Get off the meds before you kill again.

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      Mike 4 years ago

      The New Black Panther Party is nothing more than a hate group and a terrorist organization.

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      Mike 4 years ago

      "this bounty was offered a year ago to catch Z and turn him over to police. "

      Zimmerman was fully cooperating with the police. He went with them the night of the shooting and they knew exactly where he was until he was found not guilty.

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      cathylynn99 4 years ago from northeastern US

      this bounty was offered a year ago to catch Z and turn him over to police. here's link to the black panther video. http://www.christiantoday.com/article/black.panthe...

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      Mike 4 years ago

      If a white group publicly put a bounty on a black man, Obama would be addressing it on national television and sending the DOJ and FBI after them.

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      perrya 4 years ago

      The new black panther party has a bounty for Z, $10,000.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      I'm afraid Zimmerman's the wacko.....and some of you will regret your fevered defense of him.

      Tic toc, said the clock.

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      Mike 4 years ago

      Zimmerman was found not guilty. Some of you wackos need to accept it and move on.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Texas wouldn't miss-handle the flag?

      But they sure miss-handle women, minorities, and the civil rights of just about anybody who wouldn't qualify for a JR Ewing barbeque.

      ....which reminds me of the Bush inaugural ball.......Southfork, you made it!

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Yeah--I know. I'm so stupid, I think a guy who kills someone is guilty of murder....sheesh, what a moron.

      Oh, and also so stupid to know that a man chasing a kid down with a GUN is in no way, shape or form the VICTIM.

      Self-defense my butt.

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      Martin 4 years ago

      chris

      "I was born 1960, chump."

      It's too bad your level of knowledge doesn't reflect it.

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      Martin 4 years ago

      chris

      "Angry about Lil Wayne and the American flag? Watch this cop make a VET drop his:"

      Did you notice that incident took place in the great liberal state of Wisconsin? I think it's unlikely that you would see a cop mishandling a flag like that in Texas.

      "Democrats have won the seven elections since 1988, although the 2000 and 2004 races were extremely close. The 2008 election was not as close, as Barack Obama won by 56% to 42% over John McCain. State-level politics around collective bargaining gave Wisconsin a higher profile heading into the 2012 election. Polling was volatile through the summer and fall, ranging from a dead heat to a margin roughly equal 2008. In the end, Wisconsin voters split the difference, preferring Mr. Obama by 53% to 46% over Mitt Romney."

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Angry about Lil Wayne and the American flag? Watch this cop make a VET drop his:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cVFOOEGOUo&fe...

      this never happens to tea party

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      That's right...and it will keep going until they kick me all the way out.....COWARDS!

      I was born 1960, chump.

      You? Sound like a baby.

      You think America is really the home of Fox Nation, don't you?

      This country is great because we reject that kind of fascist crap.

      You want no taxes, no equality, and freedom to kill people you don't like?

      Go to another place: You won't get it here.

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      Martin 4 years ago

      chris,

      "And here's what I remember about Carter: he put solar panels on the White House. Reagan took them down."

      No, you don't remember that. You read a recent article about Obama putting solar panels back on the White House that mentioned Carter. You have never once formulated an intellectual response anywhere on the internet. You should probably go back to talking to yourself on your own Hubs. That's the only conversation going on over there.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Washington times? Owned by the Moonies? RW to the core? No thanks. I put that article there, because it's Republican--written by a Republican. It's not biased, where they will bash Republicans, like the Times bashes Dems.

      It's like Breitbart vs WSJ.

      Breitbart, I wouldn't give the time of day.

      WSJ--begrudging respect.

      I refuse to read trash-bashing pieces.

      And here's what I remember about Carter: he put solar panels on the White House. Reagan took them down.

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      Martin 4 years ago

      chris,

      It seems you may have forgotten about Jimmy Carter.

      http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/14/th...

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

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      cathylynn99 4 years ago from northeastern US

      1980 is about when the right-wingers stopped caring about the middle class.

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      Martin 4 years ago

      chris,

      "I'm waiting for one reply from you that doesn't involve an insult.....are all Baggers raised with no manners?

      Here you go; I'll make it real clear.....

      I want to go back before Reagan. Erase all that he did, erase the years forward up til 2008.

      Implement all that Obama wanted.....

      We're good!"

      Right, because nothing bad happened before 1980 and Obama has done absolute miracles for our country.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      I'm waiting for one reply from you that doesn't involve an insult.....are all Baggers raised with no manners?

      Here you go; I'll make it real clear.....

      I want to go back before Reagan. Erase all that he did, erase the years forward up til 2008.

      Implement all that Obama wanted.....

      We're good!

      If you take allllllll that money that went to the top of the pyramid, and give it back to the middle class from which it was stolen: We're flying high as a country.

      ********

      Come to think of it....I'd go back to Kennedy and erase his assassination.

      King: ditto

      R Kennedy: ditto

      Malcolm X: ditto

      Lennon: ditto

      modern day:

      Wellstone: ditto

      Hastings: ditto

      Only the good die young. That's why we are bad. We want to live.

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      Martin 4 years ago

      chris,

      Sorry, I now realize you were talking about the initial Gulf War in 1990. That is much more relevant to your argument about the good old days before 2010.

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      Martin 4 years ago

      chris,

      My earlier question in reponse to your rant about RACE.

      "What is it you want to go back to? Do you even know or do you just like to complain about the evil republicans?"

      Your answer.

      "I'll take back before Stand Your Guns, and back before the Tea Bagger/Koch take-over of MY gvt in 2010."

      Then you support your argument by citing the invasion of Iraq in 2003 and the Iran-Contra scandal in the 1980's. What a well structured and insightful response you managed to put together to back up your observations of race relations in the United States.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      I'll take back before Stand Your Guns, and back before the Tea Bagger/Koch take-over of MY gvt in 2010.

      Back when Buscho committed crimes and whatnot: Haliburton JUST admitted how it covered up Gulf oil spill...we still have Iraq invasion and energy policy to deal with.

      Not to mention Gulf War Syndrome from Daddy Bush....that took nearly 12 years.

      Weren't he head of CIA during Iran/Contra?

      Holy Sweet Mary!....Back to Rayguns!

      So yeah.....I take your claims of what you know about this country with a shaker of salt.....a big one.

      And any claims you have to patriotism....the same.

      You get all your info and attitudes from right-wing-wacko-nuts.

      And those are about as un-American as you can git.

      "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal"

      NOT: I'm rich, white, male and all-right.

      Everyone else can suck it....and yes, you know what I mean.

      As far as music...wasn't ole blue eyes hanging with the Mafia?

      Din't Elvis the Pelvis have like a million affairs?

      Didn't stop the world from loving them. Oh yeah......once again: they white, so allright!

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      Martin 4 years ago

      chris

      "I suggest you read some of the things Right Wingers, Tea-Baggers and Republicans say about the current president of the United States, and then come back and talk to me about insulting this country.

      Trust me......jumping on a flag is TAME compared to the RACIST bullcrap that comes from there."

      The flag doesn't represent the government, it represents the country. Americans dishonoring the flag are just stupid. It seems to have become popular among some in the black community. This was demonstrated after the Zimmerman verdict.

      You're argument holds no value anyway. It's like arguing that you shouldn't get a ticket for driving 70 in a school zone because some other guy drove through it 75 one time.

      "Do NOT ever dare question anyone's patriotism after what we've seen starting in 2007."

      Piss off. I was still in the military in 2007 and I've been to the other side of the world. Your views of this country come only from far left liberal goons.

      "Not to mention, their continual support for the Bush family and their various and sundry partners in crime."

      What a typical, ignorant liberal response. It doesn't matter what the argument is, there is always a need to bring George Bush into it.

      "Jumping on the flag?

      Pullleeeeeeze: try flushing it down the toilet."

      Spoken like a true patriot. Most of us realize what Lil Wayne did is not a crime, but we don't have to respect him. I would want to give Lil Wayne a lil beatdown if I saw him doing that.

      "Rebel with a cause.....I want MY country back.

      The one where it's not OK to kill a black kid because you're a racist."

      Maybe you should actually learn a little about history before saying that you want race relations to go back to how they were. How far back do you want to go? Do you want to go back to the days of slavery before 1865? Do want to go back to the segregation of the 1960's? Do you want to go back prior to 1989 when we had our first black Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Colin Powell, who went on to become our first black Secretary of State under George Bush in 2001? Or maybe you just want to go back only five years when we had our first half black president elected by roughly 50% of white people and 96% of black people? That sure demonstrated the white racial bias in our country.

      What is it you want to go back to? Do you even know or do you just like to complain about the evil republicans?

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      ooops, sorry: by Kojo Koram · July 29,2013

      Media and Entertainment Society and Culture

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      For years, critics of hip-hop music have accused it of being a materialistic and misogynistic creation of modern urban communities. However in the video below, UK wordsmith Akala uses another narrative to explain the emergence of hip-hop. Watch if you are interested in historical and spiritual roots of this culture, which are shown to be antithetical to what many people think hip-hop is all about today.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedd...

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Stand your Guns has got to go

      The "freedom" to kill at will has got to go

      Guns kill. Some people should never ever have them.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Dear Martin.....

      I suggest you read some of the things Right Wingers, Tea-Baggers and Republicans say about the current president of the United States, and then come back and talk to me about insulting this country.

      Trust me......jumping on a flag is TAME compared to the RACIST bullcrap that comes from there.

      Do NOT ever dare question anyone's patriotism after what we've seen starting in 2007.

      Not to mention, their continual support for the Bush family and their various and sundry partners in crime.

      Jumping on the flag?

      Pullleeeeeeze: try flushing it down the toilet.

      I grew up with music as social commentary.....and guess what?

      The elders all said the same thing about it!

      Rebel with a cause.....I want MY country back.

      The one where it's not OK to kill a black kid because you're a racist.

      I am deffering to his cousin's words......SO SUE ME.

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      Владимир 4 years ago

      Причины женской эпиляции: Фото женской эпиляции. Одиночество. Если у женщины по какой-либо причине нет кремового партнёра, то в это время эпиляция служит неплохим способом снятия маникюрного напряжения. Излишнее возбуждение. Просмотр стилистического фильма, чтение романической книги, просто тёплые приятные воспоминания о любимом человеке — всё это может вызвать непреодолимое желание, приводящее к немедленной эпиляции

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      Martin 4 years ago

      perrya,

      "Rappers like Lil Wayne are bad idols for young blacks to aspire to. Obama would be the best."

      What do you mean? He managed to shoot himself at age 12 and dropped out of school at 14. He's been convicted of felony weapon and drug charges and has spent time at Rikers Island. He sounds like a great American and well deserving of the respect that chris gives him.

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      perrya 4 years ago

      Rappers like Lil Wayne are bad idols for young blacks to aspire to. Obama would be the best.

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      Martin 4 years ago

      chris,

      "Not enough evidence?......My aunt fanny. Not enough good people on that jury."

      You obviously have not watched the trial so what do you know about the evidence? You need to leave the trailer park every once in a while to see the real world and stop listening to the far left goons.

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      Martin 4 years ago

      chris,

      "And I spelled it Amerika in honor of Lil Wayne, who has a song out now called God Bless Amerika.

      Rolling Stone had a real good revue of it--it's a social commentary piece."

      Great! That's the song with the video of the great patriot Lil Wayne jumping on th American flag after it was thrown on the ground. How stupid of me for thinking you were being insulting to our country.

      http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-art...

      "As Kurt Cobaine said: "The purpose of youth is to challenge corruption"

      Not accept and glorify it."

      I like Nirvana's music, but I don't exactly see Curt Cobain as a brilliant political commentator. I somehow doubt long-term heroin addict and millionaire Cobain learned much about corruption and government prior to blowing his brains out with a 12 gauge at the ripe, old age of 27.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      @ChloeAngyal

      "You need to change your behaviour so I'll stop oppressing you" is the definition of privilege.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      I love the Roots.

      And you appear to have 0 ounce of any understanding of anything.

      Whooosh--right over your head.

      And I spelled it Amerika in honor of Lil Wayne, who has a song out now called God Bless Amerika.

      Rolling Stone had a real good revue of it--it's a social commentary piece.

      As Kurt Cobaine said: "The purpose of youth is to challenge corruption"

      Not accept and glorify it.

      Not enough evidence?......My aunt fanny. Not enough good people on that jury.

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      Martin 4 years ago

      She purposely spelled America with a "K" as some kind of petty insult. She doesn't understand what America is. It is not the president or the "evil" republicans. It is the land and all of us that live in it.

      Then she posts a stupid article by Ahmir-Khalib Thompson. Thompson is worth about 16 million dollars. He made his money by marketing crappy music. If that's not the American dream, I don't know what is.

      I've had it with blacks complaing about the Trayvon Martin verdict. There was not enough evidence to convict Zimmerman so he was found not guilty. Get over it.

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      perrya 4 years ago

      Its america

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      stirring, heart-felt words: what it's like to be black in Amerika:

      http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/07/quest...

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      oh of course......right wingers as phony as 3 dollar bill. Glenn Beck and Fox school of fake news. Zimmy the Hero!

      "What did occur was that an accident occurred where a car slid on it’s side into a median. People at the scene called 911, which went to the Sanford office of the Seminole County Sheriff’s Office. BEFORE responding to the 911 call, News Ball.com reports that Seminole Sheriff’s Dept. Officer Patrick Rehder, a self-styled friend and supporter of Zimmerman, contacted Zimmerman by cell phone directing him to go to the accident so as to appear to be a hero. "

      http://ivn.us/penigma/2013/07/25/george-zimmermans...

      GOD!

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      He will get exactly what he deserves....as we all do in the end, imo.

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      perrya 4 years ago

      Well, everyone is entitled to their perception of this and the evidence presented. I am sure one day, somewhere, someone will take justice into their own hands and take Z out. He expects it and there is enough passion and crazies out there to do it. That will only add tragedy to this event.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      But who told her that?

      The judge?

      And so--you must also think that white people had already convicted Martin......In which case--he had no chance at all at justice, since it was 5 whites against one minority.

      Hence-- the problem with the whole system!

      Like I said before: we need professional jurors.

      Those who know the law, and get paid to make the decision right.

      No bias, no axe to grind, no swooning over defendant for Christ sakes.

      How in hell would b37 know that "George's heart was in the right place"?

      And you see it here on hp......People are repeating that "Martin attacked Zimmerman", as if it's proven fact!

      It's Zimmerman's story---nothing more.

      I mean: who would go back and confront someone they were running away from?

      Give me a break.

      An now he gets his weapons back.

      Lovely.

      Thereby telling the world that it's OK to gun down a kid because you are a predjudiced twerp.

      Chase someone down, and if they dare defend their life: Kill em.

      After all, Dead men tell no tales.

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      perrya 4 years ago

      As to #2, I would agree that a more balanced jury would seem to be fair. But, I suspect that during its selection, the DA found it problematic because those of color had already convicted Z in their mind, so, they excluded them or the defense did because of that. it seems the B29 juror simply did not understand the elements of the law to convict. You do not need intent to be convicted of manslaughter, but she thought so, wrong.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Ummmm, Nooooooo.

      I see things like this: This maniac killed a kid and got away with it.

      The race comes into it

      1. He was following him because of it

      2. He got off because of it

      He was portrayed as a wonderful victim, and the kid was portrayed as a gangsta

      And, at least I can converse without the personal insults employed by Jackie-boy and Ralphy-boy. ALWAYS with the politics of personal destruction.

      Right Wing to the core.

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      perrya 4 years ago

      @chris- actually, you are guilty of your own words also. You only see things your way because of race.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Good. Your idea of a "discussion" is "I'm right, and you're wrong"

      Stay tuned....you will all have to eat your words.

      This is not over by far.

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      Ralph 4 years ago

      @love

      Alright, you're batshit crazy. I'm done discussing this with you.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      "marijuana-smoking, thieving, racist-remarking teenager."

      Gosh, the love just ooooozes from the words, doesn't it?

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      No--I don't do Adderall, like Zimmy......never know what those chemicals do to the brain. Might make one have a sort of Columbine or Virginia Tech incident.

      Might make one paranoid out of ones mind, and see devils everywhere.

      I know it's used to "control" high-strung people, but my personal view is those hard pharmaceutical drugs lead people to commit murder and suicide.

      Much more calming and relaxing to smoke a little weed.

      I don't know, but from my experience, weed makes one silly, but big pharma drugs cause mayhem.

      Ah, but what do I know?

      After all, I said from the start Zimmy was guilty of murder in cold blood.

      Oooops---looks like a juror thinks so too!

      geeee, maybe more than one.

      Maybe 37 was the oddball---ya think?

      she might as well buy the Zimmy is a hero poster that's coming out soon.

      I can see her now, swooning in her bedroom.

      "Oh Zimmy, Zimmmmmmy........if only I wasn't married.........

      Oh, is that mean?

      So sorry--I know you righty's have been so kind and tolerant of Trayvon.

      *snark*

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      Ralph 4 years ago

      @love

      Are you on hard drugs?

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Welp, Martin was guilty of none of those. He was walking the frig home, for god's sakes!

      And since the juror b37 said she voted BASED on syg......that judge must have given wrong instructions, eh?

      Miss-Trial!

      And I suppose you heard juror b29?

      "Zimmerman got away with murder."

      SOME one Fkd up here.....Royally.

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      Ralph 4 years ago

      @love

      "SYG=License to Kill"

      SYG actually equals the right to defend your home or vehicle from an intruder. The people making all of the arguments, including yourself, against SYG and relating it to the Zimmerman trial don't appear to have actually read any of the laws. All they do is spout off a few sentences that some liberal goof or anti-gun nut concentrated on in a biased article.

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      Ralph 4 years ago

      @ love

      Here is Florida's SYG law. Please look at the wording of 1a and 1b. It says a person is presumed to "to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm" under these conditions. It's essentially taking the burden off of the homeowner of having to prove they were in physical danger if they use force against an intruder. By wanting to appeal this law, people are essentially saying that you should have to flee your home and run in fear from a criminal.

      776.013 Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.—

      (1) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:

      (a) The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person’s will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and

      (b) The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.

      (2) The presumption set forth in subsection (1) does not apply if:

      (a) The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the dwelling, residence, or vehicle, such as an owner, lessee, or titleholder, and there is not an injunction for protection from domestic violence or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that person; or

      (b) The person or persons sought to be removed is a child or grandchild, or is otherwise in the lawful custody or under the lawful guardianship of, the person against whom the defensive force is used; or

      (c) The person who uses defensive force is engaged in an unlawful activity or is using the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle to further an unlawful activity; or

      (d) The person against whom the defensive force is used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who enters or attempts to enter a dwelling, residence, or vehicle in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person entering or attempting to enter was a law enforcement officer.

      (3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

      (4) A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a person’s dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.

      (5) As used in this section, the term:

      (a) “Dwelling” means a building or conveyance of any kind, including any attached porch, whether the building or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, which has a roof over it, including a tent, and is designed to be occupied by people lodging therein at night.

      (b) “Residence” means a dwelling in which a person resides either temporarily or permanently or is visiting as an invited guest.

      (c) “Vehicle” means a conveyance of any kind, whether or not motorized, which is designed to transport people or property.

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      Ralph 4 years ago

      @love

      No, the defense didn't use the SYG law to defend Zimmerman. They argued justifiable use of deadly force in self defense. SYG deals mostly with the right to protect your home or vehicle from an intruder. It is called the "Castle Doctrine" in some states. Here is the whole definition of "Justifiable Use of Deadly Force" from the jury instructions, not just the one paragraph that said George didn't have to retreat.

      JUSTIFIABLE USE OF DEADLY FORCE

      An issue in this case is whether George Zimmerman acted in self-defense. It is a defense to the crime of Second Degree Murder, and the lesser included offense of Manslaughter, if the death of Trayvon Martin resulted from the justifiable use of deadly force.

      “Deadly force” means force likely to cause death or great bodily harm.

      A person is justified in using deadly force if he reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself.

      In deciding whether George Zimmerman was justified in the use of deadly force, you must judge him by the circumstances by which he was surrounded at the time the force was used. The danger facing George Zimmerman need not have been actual; however, to justify the use of deadly force, the appearance of danger must have been so real that a reasonably cautious and prudent person under the same circumstances would have believed that the danger could be avoided only through the use of that force. Based upon appearances, George Zimmerman must have actually believed that the danger was real.

      If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

      In considering the issue of self-defense, you may take into account the relative physical abilities and capacities of George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin.

      If in your consideration of the issue of self-defense you have a reasonable doubt on the question of whether George Zimmerman was justified in the use of deadly force, you should find George Zimmerman not guilty.

      However, if from the evidence you are convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that George Zimmerman was not justified in the use of deadly force, you should find him guilty if all the elements of the charge have been proved.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Oh really?

      State of Fla expanded law to include outside of the home.

      And,SYG is explicitly mentioned in the jury instructions:

      "If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony."

      COOPER: Because of the two options you had, second degree murder or manslaughter, you felt neither applied?

      JUROR: Right. Because of the heat of the moment and the Stand Your Ground. He had a right to defend himself. If he felt threatened that his life was going to be taken away from him or he was going to have bodily harm, he had a right

      **********

      Sounds to me like it got him off!

      Of course, that juror failed to mention why Trayvon Martin didn't have the same right...and that's where I think race comes in.

      "That colored boy" should have just run away when ole "Georgie" was chasing him with a gun. It's not poor ole "good-hearted Georgie's" fault.

      I mean, that's how "those people live"......(as opposed to her people?)

      SYG=License to Kill

      Brought to you by ALEC and the NRA.

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      Ralph 4 years ago

      @love

      "News-Flash:

      There has been a sit-in at the Fla state capital since the verdict; demanding an end to Stand Your Ground.

      I am not alone, and we are not all ignorant."

      That's brilliant when considering this was not a SYG case. I'm sure they are a smart bunch.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Educate yourself on the reality.

      Judges can be just as corrupt as lying lawyers and lying defendants.

      Or did you miss the one who was found to be taking $$ to convict kids and send them into the school-to-prison-pipeline-for-Wall-Street-profits?

      @sword:

      "So yes, I deny that Zimmerman is guilty of murder, because you have not convinced me that he is"

      **********

      I am not trying to convince you of anything. I am stating my opinions....which you seem to have such a problem with.

      @ralphy-boy:

      Do you seriously think everyone must think like you---or be an ignoramus, unable to comprehend anything?

      News-Flash:

      There has been a sit-in at the Fla state capital since the verdict; demanding an end to Stand Your Ground.

      I am not alone, and we are not all ignorant.

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      Ralph 4 years ago

      Ok, I should have responded to this one.

      "But, we need professional jurors who know what they are doing, and don't take sides, as b37 so obviously did."

      Professional jurors are called judges. They are supposed to be experts on the law. The purpose of the jury is to be judged by one's peers with a judge presiding over the trial. Please educate yourself just a little bit on the laws of this country.

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      Ralph 4 years ago

      @swordsbane

      "I keep saying the same things to you because you haven't acknowledged half the things I've said and the way you respond to the other half shows me you haven't understood them. Neither of us can get anything really constructive out of continuing. I'm done."

      I saw your response after I posted mine. You are absolutely correct that the folks that want to get Zimmerman refuse to look at the evidence or our laws. My only disagreement with your response is the amount of time you spent on it. She doesn't care about your argument or the facts because Martin had skittles.

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      Ralph 4 years ago

      @love

      "If all you say is true, how come a woman is serving 20 years for firing warning shots at an abuser?"

      Well first, the case is not as simple as some would like us to believe and she did turn down a plea bargain. It was also a black on black crime and the race baiters like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Ben Crump didn't see a way to line their pockets. She really could have benefited from a better defense. If race baiters like Al and Jesse really cared about black people they would have helped her to get better representation.

      "All these excuses about what a great system, blah blah blah.....

      It's a Horrible SYSTEM!"

      You are once again showing your ignorance and your inability to educate yourself on the subjects you comment on. I suggest you take a look at the justice systems in other countries like Singapore, Saudi Arabia, Mexico, North Korea, ....

      "Just his Adderall-driven paranoia, and life-long taught racism. IMO"

      Unfortunately nobody in this world is perfect. When drugs like Adderall are prescribed they really do benefit some people. They have the exact opposite effect on those people from what you describe. Stimulants like Adderall for those people are actually calming and improve their focus. Did Martin have a prescription for the marijuana in his system? Marijuana has not been shown to improve anyone's mental ability.

      I planned on responding to the rest of your comments, but I know you won't comprehend it. You should really watch the testimony from the case and educate yourself on the laws in this country.

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      William Grant 4 years ago from Wisconsin

      @love: I didn't say that the system always works. I said that when the system works the way it was intended, then that is a good thing. And I said that this is an example of the system working the way it was intended. When someone is not convicted without evidence, that is a good thing. The case you're talking about is a case of the evidence saying one thing, and a technicality saying another, and a judge overreacting to it. That is the system broken because the people involved didn't do their jobs.

      I am not aware of any money changing hands in the Zimmerman case. I'm not aware of any favors being traded. I'm not aware of any policeman, judge, lawyer or juror who did not do what they were supposed to or who did something they were NOT supposed to do. Are you?

      I am not pretending anything or ignoring anything, and I am NOT okay with a man shooting a kid for no reason. However YOU DON'T KNOW it was for "no reason" You have simply stated it. This is not my opinion. This is a fact. If you believe otherwise, please show me in the record of this debate where you provided evidence that Zimmerman had no reason to shoot Trayvon. The reasons you have given for why you believe it are not evidence. They are supposition. As much of a "case" you can make for Zimmerman being a cold-blooded murderer I can make one for him being an innocent man who was jumped and thought his life was in danger. Whether you believe Zimmerman is guilty or not is not important. Whether I believe Zimmerman is guilty is not important. Do we know whether he is guilty or not for sure? No. I don't, and YOU don't. The trial was supposed to resolve that. The answer we got was "Not guilty." There was nothing inappropriate that took place during the trial. There is no reason to believe that any evidence was withheld from the jury (evidence which probably included some things we did not get from the media)

      If you believe in the concept of Innocent until proven guilty and the concept of reasonable doubt, then you should side with the jury and accept the verdict. However, if you want to see Zimmerman punished, then you don't care about evidence. I have no right to stop you, but don't try to pretend you are after justice. You're only a punk looking for satisfaction. The evidence doesn't matter to you, because you're happy with the perspective you have, outside of the neighborhood where it happened, having no idea what kind of people Zimmerman OR Trayvon really are... just what you've been getting from the TV/Radio/Internet. You feel confident passing judgement on a situation you are informed about by people who have a rotten track record for getting the details right, and you are happy to ruin someone's life or even see them dead on that basis alone. Your defense of this perspective seems to be that you are "convinced" that Zimmerman is racist, and that makes him a murderer. Even if "racist" automatically meant "murderer" (which it doesn't, just in case you were wondering) then you still haven't provided any basis for this belief that Zimmerman is racist. Your best evidence is that a member of his family is racist, and we are meant to infer that this means that he is too, never mind evidence to the contrary.... on the word of a cousin who clearly dislikes him and has no evidence himself to corroborate HIS story.

      So yes, I deny that Zimmerman is guilty of murder, because you have not convinced me that he is. You haven't provided any substantial reason for me to be convinced. Despite what you may be thinking, this is not the same as saying that he is innocent. If you cannot understand the difference, then you have no understanding of either the verdict or our legal system.

      All you see is someone YOU think is guilty walking away free, and that's all that matters to you. I happen to think that it is the evidence, rather than what I believe, that matters. I suspect that you think that what you've shown me IS evidence, and I find that somewhat sad, and there is probably nothing I can say to change your mind, which I find even sadder, and now you've begun to paint me with the same racism brush you've painted everyone who has the audacity to suspect that Zimmerman might actually be innocent. It is impossible for you to see that I could hold my views if I was really an impartial and compassionate person, so I MUST have an ulterior motive, and in a few more exchanges you'll probably have me pegged as someone who hates black people. You will probably do it without even realizing the irony.

      So I don't think anything more is to be gained by continuing this argument. You keep saying the same things over and over again, as if I haven't understood what you're saying or that I haven't been paying attention to the trial. I keep saying the same things to you because you haven't acknowledged half the things I've said and the way you respond to the other half shows me you haven't understood them. Neither of us can get anything really constructive out of continuing. I'm done.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      If all you say is true, how come a woman is serving 20 years for firing warning shots at an abuser?

      All these excuses about what a great system, blah blah blah.....

      It's a Horrible SYSTEM!

      It's unfair and biased and money can grease any skids.

      And I personally know a man serving life on flimsy evidence.

      But he's black in a lily white world, and he never stood a chance either.

      You can deny, pretend, ignore all you want, but you are ok with the fact a man shot a kid FOR NOTHING.

      Just his Adderall-driven paranoia, and life-long taught racism. IMO

      I'll give you this: it's not his fault his parents taught him to hate. And if he really was abusing his cousin he has real mental problems.

      But, we need professional jurors who know what they are doing, and don't take sides, as b37 so obviously did.

      And we need laws that don't allow maniacs to shoot first, make up story later.

      If you honestly believe Zimmerman, I have to wonder about your motives and common sense.

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      William Grant 4 years ago from Wisconsin

      T's friend has every reason to sell that story, just like Zimmerman has reason to lie to stay out of jail. All of the witnesses have reason to tell a different version of events except a few (like the person Z was on the phone with) Take out the witness testimony and you're left with the physical evidence, which is hopelessly incomplete. It doesn't paint ANY particular story, but it IS consistent with Zimmermans statements to the police. Therefore, Zimmerman is considered to be telling the truth. This is what "Innocent until proven guilty" means. You can bitch about it all you want, but the bottom line is that your assertion that Zimmerman is guilty is unfounded. Of course you've already made up your mind, as have most of the people who've heard about the trial, but repeated statements that you are correct don't make it true. You must PROVE your conclusion.

      As for being a "travesty of justice" That is simply not true. As I said, it is the justice system working exactly the way it's supposed to work. It err's on the side of letting the guilty walk free for a very good reason. It keeps innocent people from being locked up for the flimsiest of reasons. Even if Zimmerman is everything you say he is, it is still better to let him walk, given the evidence of the case. Could he possibly kill someone else? Yes, but there are murders walking free today simply because they are protected by the same rights you and I are protected by, and removing those rights for those murderers means removing them for you and I and everyone else as well, and that is simply too high a price to pay. That should be obvious, even to you.

      As for the gun... You have to prove that he was out to kill Trayvon before you can chime in about why he carried the gun. Simply HAVING a gun is proof of nothing. Lot's of people carry firearms. A very tiny percentage of them have anything close to criminal activity planned for their future. You're using him being armed as evidence that he was up to no good. That is what I have a problem with.... Unless you're one of those people who think that no one should ever own a gun... in which case I'm done. I've tried to have rational discussions with gun-control advocates before and it never works.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Well, according to T's friend--he was going home, and Z came out of nowhere and ambushed him.

      Then the screaming for help began.

      Then gun-shot. Then dead boy.

      That's the scenario I believe. I don't believe Zimmy.

      You do.

      You don't believe his friend.

      Apparently the jury didn't either. The one on tv was quite enamored of Georgie. Yeah: she was fair. NOT.

      So--you believe Z's incredible fantasy, and I don't.

      Your right: and mine.

      And I also believe Z's cousin, who says he's a racist from a racist family. Because his father said "the only racists are black people"

      I think he was hopped up on drugs, and saw the opportunity to harass and terrify a black kid,.

      --and please don't give me that bull about why he had a gun.

      He meant to use it, and he did IMO

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      perrya 4 years ago

      Well, Chris, there are many like you who scream the crime about race and only see it one way because these same people are racists and incapable of seeing through color. What Z said about T was a general statement of frustration with regards to crime in the area and the recent breakins were done by blacks. If they had been green, Z would have said the same thing. Acted the same way. He was the watchman, that is what they do when suspicious activity or people present themselves. As I said, T could have gone home, most would if being followed by someone who might be a thug. Yet, instead he seemed to want to confront Z. It appears that way.

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      OK, let me get this straight.....

      A kid, whose father LIVES in the neighborhood is suspicious for walking home?

      And it's ok with all of you for a man WITH A GUN to follow that kid, whose father LIVES in the neighborhood?

      ******

      Oh, but it's not because he's black, even tho Zimmerman made numerous calls to the police ABOUT black men.

      Sounds to me like Martin was guilty with no chance of innocence---due to his being black and all.

      And if some MANIAC was ever to call MY kid a fkn punk, and chased MY kid with a gun..........and Killed him?

      I would not have the grace and dignity that Martins do.

      Of course, they're used to it, being black in America.

      That's why Trayvon is dead, after all.

      He was followed by a lunatic, feared for his life.

      And no way on God's green earth do I believe that Martin turned back around to confront Zimmerman, like Zimmerman said.

      Not in a million years.

      Zimmerman is guilty as sin, and good thing there is such a thing as cause and effect in this universe.

      No one escapes the effect of their actions.

      I'll wait.

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      Ralph 4 years ago

      @love

      "Zimmerman went after him."

      Following a suspicious person in your neighborhood is not a crime.

      "Zimmerman had a gun."

      Carrying a gun when you have a CHL is not a crime.

      "The kid was killed by said gun."

      The jury decided that also was not a crime.

      "BTW--What right did he even have to call the police?"

      The same right that everyone else has.