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The Left Claims Donald Trump as President Lied Almost 2000 Times in 347 Days

Updated on July 14, 2018

This is another throw away futile attempt to impeach or discredit president Trump!

Yet another failed attempt to resist president Trump as the president of the United States of America. I call it a throw away because these attacks on the president have no real basis of fact, and they are just one of many that are tried by the anti Trumpers.

When one of these pseudo Trump attacks fail they more on to another and another of them. Too date, they have all failed but that doesn't stop the anti Trumper's from emptying their whole box of tricks.

But even they know, they have failed to rock the Trump boat, the SS America.

Trump has been president over 500 days now

Believe it or not, these people that claim he lied have not stopped counting after 347. They call them lies but when president Trump has been ticking off campaign promises one after another what does their claim to lies actually translate to now. Basically, it is just another sore loser tactic that makes them not feel like they put their heart and soul backing a two time loser Hillary Rodham Clinton.

The queen of the anti Trumpers?

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Now this person has some substantial and even deadly lies, but she is a democrat, so it doesn't count.
Now this person has some substantial and even deadly lies, but she is a democrat, so it doesn't count.
Now this person has some substantial and even deadly lies, but she is a democrat, so it doesn't count.

The political left on hubpages in a desperate move to continue their emotional ranting and grief stricken from the loss of their queen, Hillary Clinton now try

To the hp moderation team, that still refuse to feature this article. The use of the bold font does serve a necessary and useful emphasis here. Can you guess what that might be here?

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Their headline is how President Trump in the last three hundred and forty seven days has made in their words one thousand and nine hundred and fifty claims. That they consider false of misleading.

They even boast having a database that does nothing but

  • Analyses
  • Tracks
  • EVERY suspect statement made by president Donald Trump.

They then use this database to try and discredit Donald Trump the President of the United States.

  • They categorize it as False or Misleading Claims.

The problem with this kind of scrutiny on the president of the United States is that it doesn’t put in perspective all of the accomplishments made by president Donald Trump in those three hundred and forty seven days. These accomplishments were at one time his presidential campaign goals.

  • He made these accomplishments despite the resistance from not only the entire group of democrats in congress, but also the Republicans In Name Only in that same congress.

Where is the scrutiny and the criticism on these members of congress. In the 2016 presidential election the democrats didn’t have any campaign promises because they didn’t have any campaign goals.

  • The only thing on their election agenda was to defeat Hillary Clinton’s opponent. Whether it was the successful conspiracy that ousted senator Bernie Sanders from the democrat primary. Or the unsuccessful one to defeat the Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump.

Failing to defeat Donald Trump for the presidency they became the resistance to his presidency. They have gone through every conceivable, demonic, delusional, and villainous attack on Donald Trump. They have failed to act for the good of the country and the people choosing instead to take down the country if necessary to take down Donald Trump.

What these political failures are doing now is like calling out punctuation errors in a speech rather than the objectives completed in the content of the speech.

Here are some of the symbolic punctuation's that they claim

  1. He repeats himself. ( Is that really a problem. Many people would call that putting an emphasis on the topic)
  2. They also focus on Obamacare and how president Trump claims it is essentially dead. (Well with the Obamacare mandate of get insurance or get taxed as put in their by Obama and the democrat congress, that part of it is dead. Now, people that are young and healthy don’t have to have insurance. These people were the core of having Obamacare survive because they would contribute to the Insurance companies but they wouldn’t be getting any benefits from these companies. In addition, in 2013 the congress raised the Income Tax medical deduction threshold from 7.5% to 10%. Why did they raise this deduction it Obamacare was the Affordable Act? The cost of out of pocket medical expenses can be very steep and draining for many people in the US. This is especially true of those people that only have Social Security Retirement Benefits to live on. A reduction in the medical deduction threshold would benefit them and millions of other people in the country. Unfortunately, Donald Trump and his tax plan didn’t help either.)
  3. Interesting they also claim that Trump also tried to take credit for events and business decisions that preexisted his presidency. (they want you to do a google search?)
  4. Their next topic is the GOP Trump Tax Plan. ( They focus in on Trump’s continued statements that this is the biggest tax cut in the United States history. Is that really relevant to the actual content of the Tax Plan. The importance should be focused on the benefits and the negatives of the plan, and whether it will help or hurt the country and the people. For this to be proven or disproved requires time, not opinions.)
  5. They turn then to what they call Trump’s FlipFlops. ( Once again, how important are these changes in his actions on various issues. For example the unemployment rate. Instead trying to argue what was the precise Unemployment Rate, the importance today are the people getting hired, and is it better than it was in the last presidency? This should actually be presented as a very good thing when a president can look at an issue and see a better way to handle it.)
  6. Trump celebrated rise in the Stock Market. ( They focus on his statement during his presidential campaign that it was bubble that would crash if the Federal Reserve started increasing the interest rates. Under Obama and George W Bush that was true. It was the Federal Reserve that sustained the Real Estate Bubble by not raising the interest rate. The collapse in 2008 is proof of the bubble. Under Obama the jobs and products were going abroad and the stock market didn’t have much to look forward to a good economy to support a rise in the market. Trump through his efforts of bring back jobs and products back into the country is the reason why the stock market rose to its current level. The market was skeptical when Obama was president because he didn’t really bring the country out of the 2008 US economic meltdown. Even ex president Obama wanted to take credit for all that Trump did since the election.)

Conclusion

The issue purported by those on the left about their claim of false or misleading statements of president Donald Trump is like a court case that is trying to be won by pointing out procedural deviations rather than on substantive issues on the core of the case.

The litmus test for this in my opinion bogus attack on Donald Trump and his presidency is to ask the question, Is the country today working better for the people?

Additionally, these kinds of Red Herrings that are the only product of the left, takes the focus off the really important critical issues facing the country and the people.

  • The world today is still very hostile and the US is more vulnerable to attacks even to a nuclear level.
  • The US needed a new economic paradigm for the future and Donald Trump has given it one.
  • Terrorism needs a United World as well as a United States. The left has created neither.

The question should have been how has the disruption of the election campaign and the transition to the Trump presidency hurt the country and the people, What is the benefit of creating another democrat caused Civil War in the United States?

What has the left and especially the left in congress and the anti Trumpers done to help the country? Does anyone really think with Hillary Clinton's track record that she would be doing a better job as president, then the real president Donald Trump?

This also leads to what is the goal of the left in being anti Trump and doing nothing else than just data basing minutia about Trump. It doesn't change what the president is doing or going to do. At least it hasn't so far.




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    • bradmasterOCcal profile imageAUTHOR

      bradmasterOCcal 

      2 months ago from Orange County California

      From the confessions of a major anti Trumper comes this gem.

      "Now that 14 months in, hardly a day has passed without drama, hardly a week has passed without a scandal, and hardly a month has passed without a crisis. I thought it time to add to this hub because Donald Trump, the so-called President of the United States has provided much fodder."

      B:

      All of that fodder has been created and uttered solely from the anti Trumpers. They figure if they tell a lie long enough it becomes a true fact. But, that only happens to the weak minded party slaves. These slaves AKA loyal party members, don't bother to check the utterances for their veracity.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile imageAUTHOR

      bradmasterOCcal 

      8 months ago from Orange County California

      It has been 9 days since the last posting on the lie forum. I guess we have moved on to the shithole, and or the excellent health of the president.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile imageAUTHOR

      bradmasterOCcal 

      8 months ago from Orange County California

      Mike

      As I pointed out your forum never really got started. It turned quickly into a red herring tangent.

      Thanks

    • peoplepower73 profile image

      Mike Russo 

      8 months ago from Placentia California

      Brad: If you are referencing the Trump Lies Forum, you of all people should know, that these forums can only take the argument so far before it gets to the point of diminishing return.

    • Dean Traylor profile image

      Dean Traylor 

      8 months ago from Southern California

      A lot of people are probably getting banned from the forums for a short duration, especially in the most caustic ones.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile imageAUTHOR

      bradmasterOCcal 

      8 months ago from Orange County California

      While we see one Forum go silent on the Trump lies we now see another one trying desperately get started. But as we see from the comments, it is not catching on.

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      It was nip and tuck there for a few days boys and girls, but Trump managed to tell over 2000 lies in less than a year, a milestone due in part to his voters who continually make excuses for his blatant dishonesty. I hope they appear on this thread to relate their pride and adoration as no other US President has--or will ever, in my opinion come close to reaching this lofty goal.

      B:--------

      As my article here has shown, there is nothing to make excuses for Trump. Although that cannot be said for the DEMOgandists spewing their DEMOganda.

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      His last few days of insulting immigrants from certain countries, Obama, and the FBI investigations seem to put him over the top. Congratulations probably won't be coming soon though. yikes

      B:----

      Again, this is DEMOganda. The TPS countries were the subject of the immigration talks. And whether Trump actually said it or not. These countries are shit holes.

      How many of you would go to these countries for even a vacation, much less move there?

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      No excuses for the lies, Trump fans? Come on now, in for a penny and all that.....

      B:------

      Excuses for what?

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      Now he's trying to say he didn't use the term "sh!ithole." He genuinely thinks he's smarter than the rest of us and we'll just cave to his stupid spouting of nonsense. Unfortunately, about 30-35% of Americans soak up his BS like sunshine and bask in it. Hey, I just had a thought about where the ultimate sh!thole is located, and it ain't on Trump's behind. big_smile

      B:------

      This is typical of the DEMOgandists. They complain about president Trump, and yet how they do that is a problem. It is OK for them to be unAmerican, to the president.

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      The saddest part of this is, had Hillary been elected, we'd be hearing the same type of well deserved negativity; from a different angle.

      At least you are admitting Trump's negativity is well-deserved.

      You never read my posts. I'm shocked. Flabbergasted. Something froze over somewhere. I've always said the guy suffered foot in mouth.

      I'm certain you'll conveniently forget this fact. But, for now.

      "....we'd be hearing the same type of well deserved negativity."

      Did you phrase it wrong?

      B:----------

      That doesn't even deserve a comment. Decide for yourself what you think they meant

      Don't get confused with all their FACTS :)

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      B:-----The Forum arena is not well visited, even after the question section has been retired.

      Well, for that matter neither have the articles been flourishing at hp.

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    • bradmasterOCcal profile imageAUTHOR

      bradmasterOCcal 

      8 months ago from Orange County California

      The last comment to the 1950 lies forum was two days ago.

      Is it too soon to send flowers?

    • bradmasterOCcal profile imageAUTHOR

      bradmasterOCcal 

      8 months ago from Orange County California

      The forum has deviated from lies to the Trump tax plan and whether it is good.

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      The 1.6T debt is only for taxes. I agree with you. there is all kind of spending that Trump is going to do over his term(s) in office, including the wall, infrastructure, and defense. Spending has rarely been adjusted to equal revenue, however taxes have been raised to help pay for spending..

      One of the only times we have had a surplus was under Clinton and that was because of the dot com bubble. When taxes are cut, revenue is cut. We are back full circle to trickle down economics.

      Trump and company think that cutting taxes for corporations is going to cause the money to flow down to create jobs. I believe the money will flow up to stock holders, unnumbered Swiss accounts, and off shore tax havens in the Cayman Islands. I hope I'm wrong. The jobs are outsourced because of cheaper labor, not because of higher taxes. Most big corporations are already paying almost nothing in taxes because of all the loopholes.

      B:------------------

      Democrats more than republicans want big federal government, and that is why the taxes go up every year. Instead of lowering spending, and balancing a budget they want no caps so they can spend more each year.

      In California, we have seen the problems of not balancing the budget at the state level. Unlike the Federal Government that doesn't have to worry about bankruptcy, Ca is on the verge of Bankruptcy.

      Businesses are leaving California and going to states where the regulations are much less, and they actually offer a profitable business climate.

      Forcing businesses to pay $15 an hour as a minimum is a job loss rather than a boon to business. In addition, the increase in min wage generates more tax revenue. Also, the increase in gas tax and vehicle registration fee really impacts the poor people, and not the rich.

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    • bradmasterOCcal profile imageAUTHOR

      bradmasterOCcal 

      8 months ago from Orange County California

      Mike has taken to try and stimulate the out of steam forum on the Trump lies.

      Hello everybody: I'm the O.P. on this forum. I just want to offer some food for thought about Trump and company. I believe the country is divided on whether Trump is doing a good job or a bad job or what his mental state is. I also believe that time will tell whether his accomplishments and his mental state thus far will bear fruit. Time will also tell how his deception, lies, and exaggerations play out on the world stage. Many in this forum have minimized the lies listed in the link I posted; however, I don't think they should be taken lightly. It says volumes about his character. Although, to many others, his character is not important to them, it is his deeds that are of more importance.

      He is like a football team that has just made a field goal and started the 2nd quarter with 3 points on the board. The other team's score is still zero. When Trump attacks with his tweets, he is much like a cat chasing a shining object or light. He can't help himself and loves to attack others. I am also skeptical of the Fire and Fury book written by Michael Wolff. Time will tell if it is accurate and truthful.

      Trump's accomplishments so far, as I understand them are as follows"

      1. Judicial appointments, we now have a mainly conservative judiciary.

      B:--------

      After 8 years of liberal judges, this is an improvement.

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      2. Tax reform, the largest cut since 1986, cut corporate tax rate from 35% to 21%

      B:------

      The end result of getting jobs is the goal.

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      3. Repeals Individual Mandate - Leaves many patients without health insurance

      B:----

      It doesn't leave anyone that wants to get insurance without it. It just doesn't force those healthy young people that don't want insurance.

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      4. Cancelled or delayed 1,500 regulations. - Let's hope the cut regulations don't return us to the financial meltdown of 2008.

      B:-----

      One only has to look at California to see how so many regulations have forced many businesses to leave the state. Texas and any other state that makes it easy for them to conduct their business as well as no state income tax helps the employees.

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      5. Cuts government waste - except his trips to Mar-a-Logo

      B:----

      Really, how petty is that for a comment.

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      6. Travel ban, prevents many countries from entering the U.S. Saudi Arabia is not one of them.

      B:-----

      Do you really have a problem with president Trump protecting our country from terrorists. And he is also planning on immigration reform. We have had existing immigration laws which during the Obama presidency weren't enforced.

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      7. Defeating the Islamic State. Is this temporary or permanent?

      B:----

      Whatever it is has to be better than we had during the last two presidencies and beyond.

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      8. Recognition of Jerusalem - This is a hot bed for Palestine and the Arabs.

      B:----

      It keeps the status quo, the only thing it changes is the Jerusalem as the capital is recognized. And the US Congress has agreed on this for decades. The US presidents before Trump just didn't do it.

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      9. Withdraws from Paris Climate Agreement. We may pay more for natural disasters because of Global Warming.

      B:------

      The Paris agreement was basically for the US to pay for the third world countries to produce the carbon, and the US to stop theirs. It didn't benefit the US and it still allowed the production of carbon in our atmosphere.

      In addition, when has man ever outwitted nature. We know more about cancer than we know about climate. And yet, we haven't found a cure for cancer. And that search for a cure was happening in the BC through the AD till today.

      And how has the one hundred years of continuous war around the world. Isn't that a contributing factor.

      Why isn't trying to stop wars on that agenda?

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      10. Withdraws from TPP and NAFTA - We shall see what economic effect this has.

      B:----

      Compare it to the last 28 years, and try to find where our manufacturing and other products have gone. The TPP and NAFTA lost us our livelihood. We now get most of our products from imports, and our exports are small in comparison.

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      Time will only tell how these 10 items are going to unfold. We have three more quarters to go in this ball game. I hope Trump and company don't screw it up.

      B:----

      The fact that you equate this with a game is part of the problem. Unfortunately, the left, the anti Trump don't want to wait. They want to circumvent the American Way or waiting till the next election to voice their concerns to their representatives by voting or not voting for them. That is what the US Democratic Republic is all about.

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    • bradmasterOCcal profile imageAUTHOR

      bradmasterOCcal 

      8 months ago from Orange County California

      Mike

      Seriously, this forum is out of steam.

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      if Hillary is indicted for a crime or, once again, found to have done something egregious for which she is not charged, my position will not change one tiny whit.

      I have never stated Hillary is not a crook. I am well aware of her many flaws. However, she is also sane, competent , thoughtful, intelligent, and knowledgeable. She can participate in a world meeting as an equal.

      If you all haven't yet figured it out, Trump is mentally and emotionally UNFIT to be president. I don't care if I agreed with every policy he promulgates, I would not trust him with my country. He is crazy.

      So, the answer is no. My assessment of the jusgment of a Trump voter remains. I am, after all, a college-educated

      elitist liberal snob. big_smile Trump has been consistent from the beginning. Any person with reasonable judgment can see what he is.

      He will leave office in disgrace, one way or another.

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      Another tangent to the focus of the forum.

      What did you get out of the forum?

      Can you summarize the comments into something meaningful?

      Which of these lies can be traced to something important to the people and the country that is related to president Trump's actions or performance?

      Without that connection these purported lies are irrelevant, not important tidbits.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile imageAUTHOR

      bradmasterOCcal 

      8 months ago from Orange County California

      Mike

      Yet another tangent on a tangent in the forum

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      Let's not forget the ultimate enablers, those who overlooked his obvious indefensible shortcomings and voted him into office. We would not be in this mess were it not for their inability to discern, or willingness to overlook, obvious character and mental issues.

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      BTW these are totally disrespecting the people that voted for him.

      "inability to discern, or willingness to overlook, obvious character and mental issues."

      How do these emotional, subjective, vile, rude, and fact-less statement not divide the UNITED states. Loyal party members of both parties need to go independent.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile imageAUTHOR

      bradmasterOCcal 

      8 months ago from Orange County California

      Mike

      I thought we were having a good give and take discussion. But when you discard my comments, I guess I was wrong.

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      As far as it is being his opinion, it is not relevant to the forum discussion which I thought were about the lies made by president Trump.

      As for your comment, the left has been wrong about Trump so far. And again my point on the forum discussion is that these lies are not relevant to his performance.

      Can you explain to me the difference between the questions and the forums. Or at least what is the object of the forums?

      Thanks

    • bradmasterOCcal profile imageAUTHOR

      bradmasterOCcal 

      8 months ago from Orange County California

      Mike

      Here is the latest made 44 minutes ago.

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      In the meantime, there are enables in the White House, the US House and Senate that are enabling him. What's just as bad is that his family is enabling. I think they planned to make the US part of Trump Enterprises. They didn't know that there are regulations and restrictions.

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      This is a tangent!

    • peoplepower73 profile image

      Mike Russo 

      8 months ago from Placentia California

      Brad: That is his opinion. Do you think all discussions have to be without opinions? As far as the HP score, it is based on much more than just questions and forums.

      I have been thinking about your comments about Trump and company and they can be summed up by this. Who cares what Trump does or doesn't do? He hasn't created any national disasters or crisis.

      That's true, but the key phrase here is not yet.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile imageAUTHOR

      bradmasterOCcal 

      8 months ago from Orange County California

      Mike

      Discussing the forum running out of steam.

      Here is the latest comment on the forum and it was made 16 hours ago.

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      True, PP! No other American president has lied so much and denied the obvious so many times. Trump fans are blind to his many faults and to his insanity. I never realized there were so many voters who are completely unqualified to recognize a charlatan when they see one. I'll bet the same voters wanted Palin to be VP

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      B:---- This doesn't sound like the forum is moving along. This is simply an emotional non factual rant against president Trump and all the people that voted for him.

      How is this even a discussion?

      And hp gives this person a 94?

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    • bradmasterOCcal profile imageAUTHOR

      bradmasterOCcal 

      8 months ago from Orange County California

      Mike

      O.K. I get it, you are a conspiracy theorist. I don't argue with conspiracy theorist because they are always looking for any cause to explain what they don't know.

      B:---------------

      That is the knee jerk reaction of people that let the government tell them how to think.

      Do you really think that the government had satisfactory information to explain 911? Or any number of their other explanations.

      The extent of my theory is based on the facts in the event, I don't know or care about who or what is the cause. The 911 commission themselves agree that they didn't have the money or the resources to do a good job.

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      As far as the 2008 financial meltdown. It was caused by the repeal of the Glass Stegal Act that was enacted in 1933 to prevent another 1929 meltdown. The purpose of which was to prevent commercial banks from commingling their assets with investment companies. Glass Stegal was repealed by the republican Gramm Leach Bliley Act. Which allowed what Glass Stegal didn't allow.

      B:-------

      The Glass Stegal repeal was the mechanism used in the bubble, but the democrats also used that to allow everyone to buy a home. The loans that were given broke the conservative lending. These were terrible loans. They were made that way so people that really couldn't afford to buy a house could do so. Many of these loans lacked any equity for the banks. The negative amortization loans gave the bank negative equity. The other loans were tied to a variable interest rate, and this is where the FRB manipulated the bubble so that like the dot com bubble people would jump on the swell. If the FRB actually raised the interest rates, many of these loans would have failed in the first year. Fannie and Freedie were the governments way to enable the bubble. Then they packaged up the loans and sold them as derivatives. This allowed them to stick bad loans in with better loans. After the collapse in 2008, the FRB then spent hundreds of billions of dollars buying these bad derivatives.

      Any of these players could have saved us from the economic collapse, but they were all working together to make the bubble. And as with any bubble it will burst. And the longer the bubble can grow the bigger the burst and that is what happened in 2008.

      Neither party was aware of it, as they were so busy in their president race that it didn't even factor into the campaign. If you don't recognize a problem, then you can't fix it. President GW Bush did nothing to help. And neither did the congress. The entire congress were out campaigning, if not for themselves then for their parties. Again, the FRB is bad for the US and they were the biggest factor in keeping the bubble. The democrats were responsible for wanting people that couldn't afford buying homes. The republicans were responsible for allowing the mechanism for the bubble. The government was responsible for letting Freddie and Fannie make bad loans.

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      This opened the door for all kinds of unregulated exotic investment instruments, including sub-prime mortgages with no need for the buyer to qualify and variable interest rate loans with super high interest rates that kicked in after a short period of time. These were packaged into Collateral Debt Obligations (CDOs).

      B:-----

      Answered above

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      The whiz kids mathematicians who worked for Senator Gramm thought they could mitigate the risk by packaging these assets into CDOs. There were even Credit Default Swaps which was an insurance that was taken out on them by the sellers of the assets. This allowed companies like Goldman Sachs to knowingly sell toxic assets to their clients and take out credit default swaps insurance, so they made money by selling the assets and when they went bad, they made money from the insurance.

      B:------------

      Answered above

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      What they didn't take into account was that the buyers were foreclosing on the loans they could no longer afford when the high interest rates kicked in. This caused those assets to become toxic and everybody started dumping them. The result was the financial meltdown of 2008.

      B:----

      Answered above

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      It took both parties, the FRB and the congress and president of the US to make all of these deviations line up. We didn't learn from the Bill Clinton dot com bubble where the young MBA's turned the Stock Market into a slot machine for them.

      This was all caused because of the deregulation of Glass Stegal by the republican senators. I now have a concern of Trump starting the cycle all over again with his deregulation agenda. The purpose of Glass Stegal was to prevent the greed and corruption that created the depression of 1929. We will have to see where Trump and the republican party takes us.

      B:-

      I believe that I have given a fuller explanation to prove that the repeal of the act only gave the mechanism, but neither party stopped the other actors, and in fact they encouraged building the bubble.

      As long as there are loyal party voters that want to blame the other party, the party can do whatever they want and history has shown that it doesn't benefit the people or the country.

      The root cause of the political problems in the US is the loyal party voter. This allows the party to control who they get to be president. The primary candidates are picked by the party, not the voters. The voters only get to pick from the group that the party selected. We have one congress, and they have to have goals that transcend the goals of the party. They need to satisfy the country and the people, not just those in the party.

      We also need to bring the election campaigns down to the year of the election. We have a four year presidency, and we spend the last two years of it in election campaigns. And with the midterm elections we don't get much out of the first two years either.

      My solution is to make the presidency a single 6 year term for starters. Also donations to elections should be taxable to the donor.

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      Are you going to answer some of my other comments?

      This was just one of my answers from my previous comment.

      Thanks for this one in any case.

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      Mike Russo 

      8 months ago from Placentia California

      O.K. I get it, you are a conspiracy theorist. I don't argue with conspiracy theorist because they are always looking for any cause to explain what they don't know.

      As far as the 2008 financial meltdown. It was caused by the repeal of the Glass Stegal Act that was enacted in 1933 to prevent another 1929 meltdown. The purpose of which was to prevent commercial banks from commingling their assets with investment companies. Glass Stegal was repealed by the republican Gramm Leach Bliley Act. Which allowed what Glass Stegal didn't allow.

      This opened the door for all kinds of unregulated exotic investment instruments, including sub-prime mortgages with no need for the buyer to qualify and variable interest rate loans with super high interest rates that kicked in after a short period of time. These were packaged into Collateral Debt Obligations (CDOs).

      The whiz kids mathematicians who worked for Senator Gramm thought they could mitigate the risk by packaging these assets into CDOs. There were even Credit Default Swaps which was an insurance that was taken out on them by the sellers of the assets. This allowed companies like Goldman Sachs to knowingly sell toxic assets to their clients and take out credit default swaps insurance, so they made money by selling the assets and when they went bad, they made money from the insurance.

      What they didn't take into account was that the buyers were foreclosing on the loans they could no longer afford when the high interest rates kicked in. This caused those assets to become toxic and everybody started dumping them. The result was the financial meltdown of 2008.

      This was all caused because of the deregulation of Glass Stegal by the republican senators. I now have a concern of Trump starting the cycle all over again with his deregulation agenda. The purpose of Glass Stegal was to prevent the greed and corruption that created the depression of 1929. We will have to see where Trump and the republican party takes us.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile imageAUTHOR

      bradmasterOCcal 

      8 months ago from Orange County California

      Mike this is part 2 and part 1 follows.

      M:-----

      I'm surprised with your knowledge that you believe in the deep state conspiracy that was created by Mark Levin, Sean Hannity, and Brietbart. And you think Obama is trying to undermine Trump. Given enough time, Trump will end up undermining himself. Where is the proof of the deep state? It can't be proven because it is too deep and mysterious to be proven, but it sure makes a nice distraction, as you say a red herring.

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      B:----

      Mike, I don't care what you call it but there is evidence that there are agencies in the federal government that exist from president to president. Did you know that VP Harry Truman didn't know that we had an Atomic Bomb program, much less the bomb itself. The Manhattan project is undeniable proof that the government can hold secrets even when there are tens of thousands of people that know the secret.

      How do you explain the leaks from the Trump White House?

      How do you explain the strange actions of the government in not providing information from the State Department, DOJ, FBI and NSA.

      Why was the Patriot Act not only passed in peace time, but sustained from GW Bush through Obama. This act only authorized what the NSA and US intel agencies have been doing all along. This act takes away several of our Rights, including Privacy, Right to Counsel, Right to Trial etc.

      Both parties and both presidents took these rights away from us. It didn't protect us as we have had numerous terror attacks during it life.

      And yet, the left doesn't want the wall, and they don't want to enforce existing immigration law, nor have they a plan to make immigration better.

      There are three reasons to protect our borders.

      1. Terrorists

      2.Drug Cartels sending their $25 billion of drug and contraband.and Human trafficking. BTW, if the gun control ever takes away guns, then people will get guns from the criminals, like they got alcohol during prohibition.

      3. Illegal Aliens. Without a vetting process we will get the worse people crossing the border. Mexico doesn't let their southern neighbors into their country. They do give MS13 and the like 30 days to get across our southern border.

      As for the deep state being proven. We knew about electrons and atomic theory was before we could actually see it. We deduced it from its actions. The same is true of the deep state.

      How do you account for the success of 19 "terrorists" successfully attacking the US and not a single defensive action from the trillion dollar US Military. GW Bush was either totally incompetent or corrupt. Either way the result is the same.

      I no more believe the government than I do the media.

      One of the prediction of the left about when Trump would be president is that the stock market would tank.

      25,000+

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      M:--

      What is the incentive for Obama to stalk Trump?

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      B:--

      Are you saying that he is not stalking the president?

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      M:----

      What is the advantage of investigating the Clinton Foundation? Trey Gowdy, said that if he were still in office, he would re-open the Benghazi investigation, even though it was conclusively proven that there was no wrong doing by Hillary.

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      B:-------------------

      The Clinton Foundation was giving pay for play with many foreign governments. Including the deal with the big bad enemy of the US, Russia with the uranium deal.

      Why was it in the best interest of the country for Obama and Clinton making this deal through the state department.

      Why is colluding with Russia and foreign governments different when Hillary and Obama do it. And we have yet to have any proof that Trump did. Why is the investigation of Trump and Russia based on a bogus Clinton paid Dossier?

      As for Benghazi in the words of Hillary Clinton, Who cares, they are dead! Actually, the investigation should bring in es president Obama as well because he was instrumental in covering it all up. Again, the choice is that Obama and Hillary were either Corrupt or Incompetent on the Libya and Benghazi actions.

      It was also the democrats in congress that whitewashed the Benghazi investigation.

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      M:-----

      Here is the thing, republicans are great at establishing committees to investigate the other side. They are masters at it, but they are not worth a crap at creating laws and passing legislation.

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      B:----

      Then how do you account for the democrats keeping three investigation on Trump based on a bogus Hillary dossier. And how does Jeff Sessions have conflicts of interest but Mueller doesn't.

      Mueller is not the template for an Independent special prosecutor. There are just too many conflicts as I have previously mentioned.

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      M:-----

      They are also very good at deregulating laws that protect the people against greed and corruption.

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      B:-

      It took both parties to let 2008 happen. And neither GW Bush and the Republicans nor Barack Obama and the democrats did anything to prevent the banks and corporation from being too big to fail.

      These super global conglomerates like AIG didn't just develop overnight, or because the republicans released a regulation.

      And after the 2008, the banks and large corporations were back in power with the money of the people. They even gave themselves 7 figure bonuses for what they call key people. These key people were the reason their company failed and then you give them a bonus for failing.

      The banks got their money and then they wouldn't even loan it to other banks, much less the people that were losing their homes because of the bad loans they received from these banks.

      The feds were even taxing when banks would forgive equity loans that were made on these homes. The banks also stalled people that wanted to buy these bankrupted properties. Many of these people were going to pay in cash.

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      M:---

      And Trump has sold out and fits right in with them. He is beholden to his big money fossil fuel campaign contributors.

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      B:------------

      How did he sell out? Whom did he sell out?

      Bill Gates isn't the richest person because of the Trump Tax plan. And he more than doubled his wealth since 2008. Remember the Obama and democrat years.

      And it is not like a fair amount of the billionaires and millionaires are not democrats electing democrats.

      Looking at the decades of gridlock in congress, it seems both parties have been bought out. Neither party really has the loyal party voter in mind. It is the money behind the party that controls them once they are in office.

      Trump didn't spend $1.2 billion for the presidency. If Hillary won the presidency would she be working for the people or the financiers of her campaign?

      Trump is the wild card and that is why he scares both parties. But so far he is working off his campaign promises. The only thing holding him back are the parties.

      The people that you want to point to for creating the existing problems in the country were the ones that were presidents or in congress during the last 50 years.

      Yes, Trump assumed the country as is, but that doesn't mean he should be blamed for its condition.

      BTW The Democrats don't know anything, neither did the Republicans. Remember all the polls and all of the predictions that Trump would drop out before the primary. Then when he made it to the primary he wouldn't win the presidency. Even on election day the media kept predicting a win for Hillary.

      They weren't right about the stock market crash if Trump won. So why so they be right in any of their current predictions?

    • bradmasterOCcal profile imageAUTHOR

      bradmasterOCcal 

      8 months ago from Orange County California

      Mike

      M:--------------

      Brad: O.K. If you want to go back to the past. Where were the Republicans in 8 years that Obama was president? As I said before, Mitch McConnell said it was their job to make Obama a one term president. They tried to block his every move and he succeeded in spite of their attempts and became a two term president. They shut down the government every chance they got so they could hold the country hostage until they got their way. Obama care was supposed to be a single payer system, but they held out until Obama gave in to them, knowing full well that they were engineering it to fail. Even many Republican governors were involved by not becoming part of the plan.

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      B:---

      Mike, I am not a republican. I am not a loyal party member of any political party. If I thought that a democrat had a good platform, I could vote for them.

      Obamacare lost a lot of people that have good insurance plans and good doctors, and then found out that it wasn't OK with Obamacare. Health Insurance is not as important without being able to pick your doctor. Like any professional, there are only a few good ones, and if you lose that that it could mean serious medical problems.

      Good doctors are in the few, and the rest are not so good.

      Obamacare was an overkill, and it could have been implemented with a few focused bills.

      1. A bill to prevent preexisting conditions from excluding you from a health plan. Or not to have to pay so much for the coverage that it bankrupts you.

      2. Not to allow the insurance company to play doctor by telling you what you can get or not get in the way of prescriptions or service.

      3. One of the things in Obamacare that was good was never really enforced. That was preventing the hospital to discharge a person too soon, where they would be back at the hospital a short time later.

      4. The TAX mandate if a person didn't want insurance should have been their choice.

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      M:------

      What you are actually saying is that Trump has not created any national crisis yet, but you also state that you want to give his tax plan a chance. Well the the left can already see the writing on the wall. In order to balance the budget, the plan has to be revenue neutral. You can't balance the budget when it costs a trillion dollars to implement the plan and then expect the big tax cuts for the rich to trickle down their increases to the mainstream of the economy. It didn't work under Reagan and it is not going to work under Trump. The increase created by the tax cuts goes to the share holders and then to offshore and Swiss unnumbered bank accounts, not to the middle class and the poor to create more jobs.

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      B:-------

      What I said was that the democrats went AWOL and didn't do their sworn job. They were focused on making Trump fail, and not on helping the people.

      Neither the left or the right has proven that they know anything. 2008 is a prime example of that, and the GOP fumbled the ball but they were out in the field by themselves. We have only 1 congress, and they have yet to work together. When congress fails the people, naming the guilty doesn't change the loss to a win.

      Since the 1970s both parties have had their control of the government, and both parties proved they couldn't work together for the common good. Blaming the guilty didn't change the result election after election.

      Trump wasn't involved in these failures, and by both parties trying to work against Trump we can only see the same failures as in the past.

      The left objects in the Right giving money to the rich, and the right objects the left giving money to illegal aliens, and welfare. Neither of which helps us in the middle class.

      When was the last time that the federal government actually balanced the budget. In fact, congress made sure that it didn't have a cap.

      The problem with the budget is all the pork they slip into it. We borrow money from China and then give it away to other foreign countries. The Federal Reserve is charging us interest for allowing us to use our own money. The FRB along with Fannie and Freddie were the reasons why the real estate bubble took down the US economy in 2008. We need to find another solution that replaces it.

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      M:-------

      Jobs are sent to other countries, because of cheaper labor, not because of the taxes the companies are paying here. To think that jobs will return here because of tax cuts is pure folly. With all the loop holes, corporations are still paying near to nothing in taxes.

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      B:----

      I think you might want to research that outside of the media. It is definitely a fact in California as companies are leaving because of the high taxes, and too many regulations. California is also bankrupt from the unfunded retirement and benefits given to the government employees. The same is true for the Federal Government and its FERS and FEHS employee plans. But the Federal Government by definition can't go bankrupt, it just increases the debt.

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      M:-----

      I'm surprised with your knowledge that you believe in the deep state conspiracy that was created by Mark Levin, Sean Hannity, and Brietbart. And you think Obama is trying to undermine Trump. Given enough time, Trump will end up undermining himself. Where is the proof of the deep state? It can't be proven because it is too deep and mysterious to be proven, but it sure makes a nice distraction, as you say a red herring.

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      B:----

      Mike, I don't care what you call it but there is evidence that there are agencies in the federal government that exist from president to president. Did you know that VP Harry Truman didn't know that we had an Atomic Bomb program, much less the bomb itself. The Manhattan project is undeniable proof that the government can hold secrets even when there are tens of thousands of people that know the secret.

      How do you explain the leaks from the Trump White House?

      How do you explain the strange actions of the government in not providing information from the State Department, DOJ, FBI and NSA.

      Why was the Patriot Act not only passed in peace time, but sustained from GW Bush through Obama. This act only authorized what the NSA and US intel agencies have been doing all along. This act takes away several of our Rights, including Privacy, Right to Counsel, Right to Trial etc.

      Both parties and both presidents took these rights away from us. It didn't protect us as we have had numerous terror attacks during it life.

      And yet, the left doesn't want the wall, and they don't want to enforce existing immigration law, nor have they a plan to make immigration better.

      There are three reasons to protect our borders.

      1. Terrorists

      2.Drug Cartels sending their $25 billion of drug and contraband.and Human trafficking. BTW, if the gun control ever takes away guns, then people will get guns from the criminals, like they got alcohol during prohibition.

      3. Illegal Aliens. Without a vetting process we will get the worse people crossing the border. Mexico doesn't let their southern neighbors into their country. They do give MS13 and the like 30 days to get across our southern border.

      As for the deep state being proven. We knew about electrons and atomic theory was before we could actually see it. We deduced it from its actions. The same is true of the deep state.

      How do you account for the success of 19 "terrorists" successfully attacking the US and not a sin

      What is the incentive for Obama to stalk Trump? What is the advantage of investigating the Clinton Foundation? Trey Gowdy, said that if he were still in office, he would re-open the Benghazi investigation, even though it was conclusively proven that there was no wrong doing by Hillary.

      Here is the thing, republicans are great at establishing committees to investigate the other side. They are masters at it, but they are not worth a crap at creating laws and passing legislation. They are also very good at deregulating laws that protect the people against greed and corruption. And Trump has sold out and fits right in with them. He is beholden to his big money fossil fuel campaign contributors.

    • peoplepower73 profile image

      Mike Russo 

      8 months ago from Placentia California

      Brad: O.K. If you want to go back to the past. Where were the Republicans in 8 years that Obama was president? As I said before, Mitch McConnell said it was their job to make Obama a one term president. They tried to block his every move and he succeeded in spite of their attempts and became a two term president. They shut down the government every chance they got so they could hold the country hostage until they got their way. Obama care was supposed to be a single payer system, but they held out until Obama gave in to them, knowing full well that they were engineering it to fail. Even many Republican governors were involved by not becoming part of the plan.

      What you are actually saying is that Trump has not created any national crisis yet, but you also state that you want to give his tax plan a chance. Well the the left can already see the writing on the wall. In order to balance the budget, the plan has to be revenue neutral. You can't balance the budget when it costs a trillion dollars to implement the plan and then expect the big tax cuts for the rich to trickle down their increases to the mainstream of the economy. It didn't work under Reagan and it is not going to work under Trump. The increase created by the tax cuts goes to the share holders and then to offshore and Swiss unnumbered bank accounts, not to the middle class and the poor to create more jobs.

      Jobs are sent to other countries, because of cheaper labor, not because of the taxes the companies are paying here. To think that jobs will return here because of tax cuts is pure folly. With all the loop holes, corporations are still paying near to nothing in taxes.

      I'm surprised with your knowledge that you believe in the deep state conspiracy that was created by Mark Levin, Sean Hannity, and Brietbart. And you think Obama is trying to undermine Trump. Given enough time, Trump will end up undermining himself. Where is the proof of the deep state? It can't be proven because it is too deep and mysterious to be proven, but it sure makes a nice distraction, as you say a red herring. What is the incentive for Obama to stalk Trump? What is the advantage of investigating the Clinton Foundation? Trey Gowdy, said that if he were still in office, he would re-open the Benghazi investigation, even though it was conclusively proven that there was no wrong doing by Hillary.

      Here is the thing, republicans are great at establishing committees to investigate the other side. They are masters at it, but they are not worth a crap at creating laws and passing legislation. They are also very good at deregulating laws that protect the people against greed and corruption. And Trump has sold out and fits right in with them. He is beholden to his big money fossil fuel campaign contributors.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile imageAUTHOR

      bradmasterOCcal 

      8 months ago from Orange County California

      M:-----

      It's about him trying to obstruct justice of the Muller investigation by firing people who are trying to do their job. And currently it's about him and his lawyers suing Steve Bannon and and Michael Wolf for releasing their tell all books. Last time I looked, that is a violation of freedom of speech.

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      Who has Trump fired that was trying to do their job?

      It certainly wasn't James Comey wrote exonerated Hillary Clinton even before the investigation was started. As the head of the FBI, he should know that Gross Negligence doesn't require intent. So he was either ignorant or corrupt. In either case, he should have been fired on January 21,2017.

      Mueller has a serious conflict of interest and he should have recused himself, like when the democrats got Jeff Sessions to do. Mueller also conferred with James Comey before Comey was to testify before congress. This was before Mueller was made special counsel. Mueller was also Comey's boss and mentor when they worked together.

      Mueller was also FBI director when the Hillary Obama Uranium deal to Russia was going on.

      Mueller has also filled his team with pro Hillary, some of them were involved with her "investigation".

      As for the Bannon thing, it is another Russian Dossier that will have no credibility. It is not a violation of the 1st Amendment to sue for Defamation. The only defense in defamation is that of the Truth. If truth is lacking than it is defamation and the law suit will go in favor of the defamed.

      The left was up in arms because Wiki Leaks publish "Leaks" in the form of emails. Yet, no one contested the veracity of the information in those emails. No you are contending that Trump claiming that the information in the book is not the truth is being a bad president.

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      Mike:

      We are concerned about the truth and where the country is headed. In one year here are the records that Trump has set.

      The most days vacationing

      The most days of golf played

      The least amount of legislative bills signed

      The lowest approval rating

      The most provable lies told

      The most cabinet resignations/firings

      The most criminal indictments.

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      B:-----

      None of this is important, and criminal indictments are due to the left, not because there are real crimes. And indictments are no more than opinions. Arrests are also opinions. The Crime if one exists has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. And here where is the evidence to support any of the left's accusations.

      Where was the truth about Benghazi, the Uranium deal, the Iran payoff, and Russian influence, and none of this is tied to Trump.

      How presidential is Ex president Obama stalking Trump and trying to make others believe that he is still president. And where is the truth in how the FISA court was used to get warrants to spy on Trump and his team during the campaign? The FISA court has the Russian Dossier which is a Hillary Clinton democrat paid opposition paper that even in the report doesn't verify the contents as to its veracity.

      Where is the truth about the Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton tarmack meeting? At the least, it is a DOJ conflict of interest.

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      We get it, The right and his supporters are happy and willing to overlook all his B.S. because Obama is gone and Hillary didn't get elected. Yeah, long live King Trump. Even the Evangelicals are willing to overlook his immorality, because he has brainwashed the out of work coal miners and steel workers with his ongoing campaign rallies. Coal is king, bring it back and now he wants to open the seaboards to off shore drilling. With the severe storms we will be having as a result of global warming, what will happen when those rigs start leaking oil or coal burning plants start polluting the environment and make it unhealthy for everybody?

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      B: Where are the facts in this paragraph?

      In fact, where are the facts in any of your statement in your comment.

      Obama isn't gone, he admits that he is stalking the president of the US. Hillary as well continues to take the public eye, claiming Trump and the Russians lost her the election. While at the same time saying she won the popular vote. How can both of her statements be True?

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      If Obama didn't accomplish anything over his eight years in office, why is it taking Trump over a year to reverse Obama's accomplishments? You can judge my comments all you want and call them irrelevant, but if you do, it is sign of how much you are in denial of what is really happening with this administration.

      B:-----------------

      Your comments are pure opinion without any supporting facts.

      What are the accomplishments of 8 years of Obama presidency?

      The entire group of democrats in congress have done Nothing to help president Trump, the country or the people. Many of the top democrats had straight out said their only job is to removed president Trump for the presidency?

      They become a drag on the nation because they are failing to do their job. The US Constitution of our Democratic Republic is based on them representing the people for the benefit of the country. But the left has acted to protect their party, rather than represent the people (All the people).

      By saying the president Trump is an embarrassment to the country, is unAmerican and a joke around the world as many on the left say, is also disrespecting the people that voted for him.

      What have the Democrats in office done for the country and the people in the last 2 years?

      Again, while I appreciate your attempt to address the contents of my article, I was hoping that you could cite some specifics that are more than opinion.

      For example, Trump and the GOP passing a Tax Plan that was NAYed by ALL the democrats in Congress.

      -It is not important whether it is the biggest tax cut in US history. What is important is how it works, and what are its goals.

      If people get more jobs, if the economy gets stronger, if America takes back the products lost overseas then that is the basis of discussion. It is minutia to quibble whether president Trump exaggerated on the size of the tax cut. It is more important to focus on its effect and affect on the well being of the US.

      I personally was disappointed that president Trump and the GOP didn't reverse the 2013 Congressional change on the medical deduction threshold for Income Tax.

      They raised it from 7.5% to 10%, which is the wrong direction, especially when Obamacare was the Affordable Care. So Trump and the GOP are in pari delecto on this issue. We the people should have whined for a 2% threshold.

      This is one of the few middle class and lower actual deductions. The medical costs can bankrupt the retired, and even those employed.

      But, I was happy to see the Obamacare mandate TAX removed in the Tax Plan.

      I was not happy that just because people live in a state that also taxes income that we now lose those taxes as a federal deductions. Where were the democrats in challenging Trump on this and other parts of the Gop Tax Plan?

      Where is there platform even on these issues? Dump Trump is not an effective platform is it?

    • bradmasterOCcal profile imageAUTHOR

      bradmasterOCcal 

      8 months ago from Orange County California

      Mike

      Q: The litmus test for this in my opinion bogus attack on Donald Trump and his presidency is to ask the question, Is the country today working better for the people?

      A: No because he has not done anything to make it any better through his lying, deception, exaggeration, and hypocrisy.

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      B:-------- I appreciate your attempt to comment as I hoped you would.

      You can't think of anything that he has done that is better for the country and the people?

      What lies?

      What deception?

      What exaggeration?

      What hypocrisy?

      By president Trump has not improved the country and made things better for the people. What specific bad thing has happened?

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      Q: The question should have been how has the disruption of the election campaign and the transition to the Trump presidency hurt the country and the people,

      A: The disruption has resulted in many people in many agencies being replaced. Trump's allegations of voter fraud have taken up valuable time for congress and committees. His replacing of heads of vital agencies with people that don't know anything about what their job is, like Rick Perry, Head of Energy, Sally DeVos, Head of Education, and Scott Pruitt who is head of the EPA that his agenda has been to take down the EPA.

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      B:----------------

      Can you cite any specifics?

      What allegation of Fraud by Trump?

      Jill Stein and Hillary Clinton spent millions only to be proved wrong.

      And Hillary Clinton's $12 million opposition paper on Trump, while yielding no facts has brought us 3 major investigations on Trump and Russia. And they are still going on now.

      There were also numerous leaks from the Obama people still in the Executive Branch. Along with James Comey leaking information to his professor friend to leak to the media.

      Do you think that James Comey did a good investigation on Hillary Clinton?

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      Q: Does anyone really think with Hillary Clinton's track record that she would be doing a better job as president, then the real president Donald Trump?

      A; No one cares about HIllary. She is history.

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      B:-------

      Really, then how come she is continually in the news. And why shouldn't they care about Hillary?

      Can you can give an example of how no one cares?

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      Q: This also leads to what is the goal of the left in being anti Trump and doing nothing else than just data basing minutia about Trump.

      A: The left doesn't have a goal other than create awareness of what Trump is about. It is about certainty. It's about waking up every morning and being somewhat certain that we have a leader that is doing things and acting in a manner that is commensurate with the dignity and office of the President of the United States, not picking personal fights with those who disagree with him and criticize him. You have minimized what the left feels and does to one thing "database minutia."

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      B:--------------

      What you have stated is also minutia. A president should be judged on what they do, and not whether they look good. Remember, the car saying. All show and no go!

      That describes the last 28 years of US presidents and congresses covering both parties.

      From the day Donald Trump won the election, the left has criticized everything he said he was going to do. Most of them were on his campaign promises. It is amazing that he could get anything done, with the whining, the riots, and the opposition from the left, including those on the bench.

      I haven't minimized what the left feels, but I have focused on how UnAmerican it is to try and take down a president even to the point of making death threats. The American process is to try and win the next election, not try to remove the president elected by following the constitution and the voters.

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      M:----

      As Mitch McConnell said about Obama. We want to make him a one term president. The way that is done is by creating awareness of the things that we don't like about this man/child, even what you call data base minutia. It's about having a person in office that we can count on to tell the truth.

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      B:-----

      As I mentioned above, the way the left has acted is trying to first prevent Trump from getting into the presidency, then trying to have the country try to remove him before he completed his first year. That is different than making him a one term president.

      And when the media is biased to the left as opposed to just reporting the news then president Trump does and should call them on it.

      The left is acting like they did when they created the Civil War. Dividing the country that ironically is called the "United States".

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      M:----

      It''s about him calling real news fake news and the enemy of the people while he calls Fox News and Brietbart real news. It's about him getting his information from Fox and Company and giving them real fake news to broadcast. A dictator shuts down the media and presents their propaganda. That's a real concern the left has.

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      B:----

      The media has been biased since Trump entered the presidential race. Where has the media been fair to Trump? And Fox News has a lot of liberals on their payroll.

      I don't watch cable news, and I haven't for at least 10 years. The Internet News looks like the old time Enquirer. What the "news" media has done is replace Reporting the News, with embedding its opinion about the news event. That is supposed to be what the viewers and the readers are supposed to do with the events.

      That is why I like it that Donald Trump uses his Tweet power to give an uncensored, unedited message. Whether you like or dislike what he says, there is no doubt that is what he said. Listening to the whining from the left about how Not presidential it is for him to Tweet is not credible. FDR used to give his fireside chats, Trump has a 21st Century tool, and he knows how to use it. How much more transparent can he be here?

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      Dean Traylor 

      8 months ago from Southern California

      And your point? As usual a lot of commentary and very little sustance.

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      bradmasterOCcal 

      8 months ago from Orange County California

      Dean

      In case you wanted me to support, why I asked you about your hub writing.

      In the last 7 weeks, you have published 5 hub.

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    • peoplepower73 profile image

      Mike Russo 

      8 months ago from Placentia California

      Brad:

      Q: The litmus test for this in my opinion bogus attack on Donald Trump and his presidency is to ask the question, Is the country today working better for the people?

      A: No because he has not done anything to make it any better through his lying, deception, exaggeration, and hypocrisy.

      Q: The question should have been how has the disruption of the election campaign and the transition to the Trump presidency hurt the country and the people,

      A: The disruption has resulted in many people in many agencies being replaced. Trump's allegations of voter fraud have taken up valuable time for congress and committees. His replacing of heads of vital agencies with people that don't know anything about what their job is, like Rick Perry, Head of Energy, Sally DeVos, Head of Education, and Scott Pruitt who is head of the EPA that his agenda has been to take down the EPA.

      Q: Does anyone really think with Hillary Clinton's track record that she would be doing a better job as president, then the real president Donald Trump?

      A; No one cares about HIllary. She is history.

      Q: This also leads to what is the goal of the left in being anti Trump and doing nothing else than just data basing minutia about Trump.

      A: The left doesn't have a goal other than create awareness of what Trump is about. It is about certainty. It's about waking up every morning and being somewhat certain that we have a leader that is doing things and acting in a manner that is commensurate with the dignity and office of the President of the United States, not picking personal fights with those who disagree with him and criticize him. You have minimized what the left feels and does to one thing "database minutia."

      As Mitch McConnell said about Obama. We want to make him a one term president. The way that is done is by creating awareness of the things that we don't like about this man/child, even what you call data base minutia. It's about having a person in office that we can count on to tell the truth.

      It''s about him calling real news fake news and the enemy of the people while he calls Fox News and Brietbart real news. It's about him getting his information from Fox and Company and giving them real fake news to broadcast. A dictator shuts down the media and presents their propaganda. That's a real concern the left has.

      It's about him trying to obstruct justice of the Muller investigation by firing people who are trying to do their job. And currently it's about him and his lawyers suing Steve Bannon and and Michael Wolf for releasing their tell all books. Last time I looked, that is a violation of freedom of speech.

      We are concerned about the truth and where the country is headed. In one year here are the records that Trump has set.

      The most days vacationing

      The most days of golf played

      The least amount of legislative bills signed

      The lowest approval rating

      The most provable lies told

      The most cabinet resignations/firings

      The most criminal indictments.

      We get it, The right and his supporters are happy and willing to overlook all his B.S. because Obama is gone and Hillary didn't get elected. Yeah, long live King Trump. Even the Evangelicals are willing to overlook his immorality, because he has brainwashed the out of work coal miners and steel workers with his ongoing campaign rallies. Coal is king, bring it back and now he wants to open the seaboards to off shore drilling. With the severe storms we will be having as a result of global warming, what will happen when those rigs start leaking oil or coal burning plants start polluting the environment and make it unhealthy for everybody?

      If Obama didn't accomplish anything over his eight years in office, why is it taking Trump over a year to reverse Obama's accomplishments? You can judge my comments all you want and call them irrelevant, but if you do, it is sign of how much you are in denial of what is really happening with this administration.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile imageAUTHOR

      bradmasterOCcal 

      8 months ago from Orange County California

      Dean

      How does you comment discuss the actual content and words in my article? Your comment here is your opinion and your conclusion and it is not what I wrote here.

      -------------

      Dean says----

      My point is simple. I'm calling you out on the opinion stressed in your article. You wrote something in which you accuse everyone who criticized Trump as being deceitful or ignorant. And you did so in an attempt to silence and vilify his critics on this site.

      ------

      B:------

      Deceitful and Ignorant

      Silence and Vilify

      Which of you have discussed the specifics of my article, as opposed to playing games and attacking me as you continue to do here and have admitted in so many words. You are not interested in discussing the specifics arguments made in my article.

      Examples please!

      ----------

      Dean------

      Its something you do in practice when you troll hubs pertaining to Trump, as well as doing so in this article. It doesn't matter if they are right or wrong, you do your best to insult distract and attack.

      --------------------------

      B: ------

      Something I do

      Troll hubs (When was the last time you wrote a hub?

      When have you actually discussed the content of my hubs, including here. The record will here will not support you.

      Who is doing the insulting and attacking here? ( its you)

      How can we discuss right and wrong when you won't commit to discussing the specifics of the content here?

      -------------------

      D:-----

      Your article is a major problem (and I'm not talking about the chaotic formatting you use).

      --------

      B:----

      Chaotic, I believe it is called outlining

      And yet another attack from you

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      D:

      You attack the left as if they have some hidden agenda. And if those critics happen to be conservative repblicans...all the sudden you label them as RINO. And of course you sprinkle in those red herring comments as if it's going to protect you from being called out for writing what is essentially a smear campaign.

      ---------------

      B:----

      So far your comment here doesn't address a single specific point I made in the article. It is another personal attack in your string of attacks.

      Where is any argument discussing your point of view on any of my points? There are none, and this current comment is devoid of anything specific.

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      D:------

      Let's face it; you put your money on a person who was known throughout the billionaire circles as being a charlatan. Even I figured that out in the late 80s when I first heard about him. Even Sesame Street knew what was up with him.

      -----------------

      B:------

      What is this comment based on and how does it pertain to the current article?

      ---------------------------

      D:---

      But, you are trying to make it sound like all his critics are nailing him to the cross and that hes some kind of martyr. This is silly and petty, at best.

      ----------

      B:----

      Another non comment on the article, because you don't reference any specifics that can be discussed.

      I even included my conclusion from the article so that you could comment on something specific. You chose to avoid any such discussion.

      My reason for writing is to get a discussion going about what I think and discuss it with someone that thinks differently.Then we can come up with the pro and cons and maybe, I might see it in a different light.

      ---------------------------

      D:----

      I know, you going to fall back on that "you didn't answer my question" ploy. But it is what it is..taking responsibility for your petulant attitude was never your strength.

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      B:------

      He we go again, You You You, and you never veer from the personal attack and put down.

      Read through your comment here and tell me objectively how it is my ploy.

      I have laid out my point of view, and gave it support. You and anyone else can critique the contents without resorting to you you you.

      My questions have been asking you and others to give my Contents that critique.

      There is a difference between critiquing me versus critiquing my article!

      -----------

      I will comment on any arguments made about my article's content, but don't expect this any from red herrings,, ( I paid a lot to get that education on red herrings, so I will use it liberally and appropriately to amortize my investment)

      :)

    • Dean Traylor profile image

      Dean Traylor 

      8 months ago from Southern California

      Still haven't made it clear what a non personal comment is.

      My point is simple. I'm calling you out on the opinion stressed in your article. You wrote something in which you accuse everyone who criticized Trump as being deceitful or ignorant. And you did so in an attempt to silence and vilify his critics on this site.

      Its something you do in practice when you troll hubs pertaining to Trump, as well as doing so in this article. It doesn't matter if they are right or wrong, you do your best to insult distract and attack.

      Your article is a major problem (and I'm not talking about the chaotic formatting you use). You attack the left as if they have some hidden agenda. And if those critics happen to be conservative repblicans...all the sudden you label them as RINO. And of course you sprinkle in those red herring comments as if it's going to protect you from being called out for writing what is essentially a smear campaign.

      Let's face it; you put your money on a person who was known throughout the billionaire circles as being a charlatan. Even I figured that out in the late 80s when I first heard about him. Even Sesame Street knew what was up with him.

      But, you are trying to make it sound like all his critics are nailing him to the cross and that hes some kind of martyr. This is silly and petty, at best.

      I know, you going to fall back on that "you didn't answer my question" ploy. But it is what it is..taking responsibility for your petulant attitude was never your strength.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile imageAUTHOR

      bradmasterOCcal 

      8 months ago from Orange County California

      Dean

      "Emotional Rant" is personal

      What is your point for commenting on this article?

      My point

      ----------------

      Conclusion

      The issue purported by those on the left about their claim of false or misleading statements of president Donald Trump is like a court case that is trying to be won by pointing out procedural deviations rather than on substantive issues on the core of the case.

      The litmus test for this in my opinion bogus attack on Donald Trump and his presidency is to ask the question, Is the country today working better for the people?

      Additionally, these kinds of Red Herrings that are the only product of the left, takes the focus off the really important critical issues facing the country and the people.

      The world today is still very hostile and the US is more vulnerable to attacks even to a nuclear level.

      The US needed a new economic paradigm for the future and Donald Trump has given it one.

      Terrorism needs a United World as well as a United States. The left has created neither.

      The question should have been how has the disruption of the election campaign and the transition to the Trump presidency hurt the country and the people, What is the benefit of creating another democrat caused Civil War in the United States?

      What has the left and especially the left in congress and the anti Trumpers done to help the country? Does anyone really think with Hillary Clinton's track record that she would be doing a better job as president, then the real president Donald Trump?

      This also leads to what is the goal of the left in being anti Trump and doing nothing else than just data basing minutia about Trump. It doesn't change what the president is doing or going to do. At least it hasn't so far.

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      Dean Traylor 

      8 months ago from Southern California

      Really how do you know the left is promoting a bogus attack? Also, define what a non personal comment and how is it different from your emotional rant?

    • bradmasterOCcal profile imageAUTHOR

      bradmasterOCcal 

      8 months ago from Orange County California

      Dean

      Do you have any non personal comments?

      What is your point for commenting on this article?

      My point

      ----------------

      Conclusion

      The issue purported by those on the left about their claim of false or misleading statements of president Donald Trump is like a court case that is trying to be won by pointing out procedural deviations rather than on substantive issues on the core of the case.

      The litmus test for this in my opinion bogus attack on Donald Trump and his presidency is to ask the question, Is the country today working better for the people?

      Additionally, these kinds of Red Herrings that are the only product of the left, takes the focus off the really important critical issues facing the country and the people.

      The world today is still very hostile and the US is more vulnerable to attacks even to a nuclear level.

      The US needed a new economic paradigm for the future and Donald Trump has given it one.

      Terrorism needs a United World as well as a United States. The left has created neither.

      The question should have been how has the disruption of the election campaign and the transition to the Trump presidency hurt the country and the people, What is the benefit of creating another democrat caused Civil War in the United States?

      What has the left and especially the left in congress and the anti Trumpers done to help the country? Does anyone really think with Hillary Clinton's track record that she would be doing a better job as president, then the real president Donald Trump?

      This also leads to what is the goal of the left in being anti Trump and doing nothing else than just data basing minutia about Trump. It doesn't change what the president is doing or going to do. At least it hasn't so far.

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      Dean Traylor 

      8 months ago from Southern California

      Once again you have nothing to really say. You can't even support your own question... and no those weren't response to attacks. Those were your attacks. Nobody addressed you or called something; especially, for the first response. You attacked. End of story.

      I see you managed to imply something I didn't say or meant. That's typical. When somebody responds and you pull that "you still haven't resond to question" ploy, all that tells me is you don't have much of a rebuttal. Still, you keep doing that, over and over again.

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      bradmasterOCcal 

      8 months ago from Orange County California

      Mike

      This article hasn't done much better than your forum. As the comments don't stay in the lanes of the article.

      :)

      BTW, the forums aren't doing much better than the question section that has been retired into the forums.

      At least in the political social category. This category is one of the most popular ones.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile imageAUTHOR

      bradmasterOCcal 

      8 months ago from Orange County California

      Mike

      You are correct, these words "And once again that article uses Purportedly or Allegedly and that is more opinion than fact." were not in the Post article. And I used the word purportedly in my article without referencing the Post.

      Once again, you miss commenting on the major points here. The major point and I listed them by number is how did these Post punctuation examples be anything but minutia.

      And I use purported because I am not convinced about their conclusions in the article.

      I will ask, how many and which of these 1950 "lies" are relevant to president Trump's performance in office.

      For example, How is repeating himself, a lie, misleading or relevant?

      Mike

      In any case, your forum has run out of gas. I looked at the threads and they are done. Additionally, they had a hard time keep on focus.

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      bradmasterOCcal 

      8 months ago from Orange County California

      Dean

      Cocoon, really. Are you trying to say that Trump couldn 't have won the primary without him. And yet, he won the election without him.

      Point?

      I said when did I attack, first,, it was in reference to you. Second, those comments you reference were not attacks but responses to attacks.

      And once again, you choose not to focus on this article, and comment on its contents.

      Thanks

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      Mike Russo 

      8 months ago from Placentia California

      Brad: Here is what you said:

      "Well Folks the forum has had a new surge of comments. Quantity is not the determining factor here as the comments are not productive.

      The forum's question is using the 1950 "lies" to make president Trump look bad. But, as I have said many times they didn't adversely affect his performance.

      Even the wording in the Post article is anti Trump. And once again that article uses Purportedly or Allegedly and that is more opinion than fact."

      Mike:

      You say our comments are not productive. Who are you to determine what is productive and what isn't? You are using the same tactics that you use as saying our comments are irrelevant.

      I wondered why you never put the words "Purportedly or Allegedly" in quotes. I read the entire article again and those words were never used or even implied. Is that your way of playing lawyer in a court room? They are all verifiable facts in a database. I believe that is why you like Trump so much. You both use to the same tactics in arguments. You and he use implication to take the place of facts, just like Trump uses "Fake News" to discredit the real news.

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      Dean Traylor 

      8 months ago from Southern California

      Brad, He may have been fired, but Trump held on to every word he said. And he's not the only one. So....it's not irreverent or childish.

      It's only childish and irreverent because it rocks that safe little cocoon you built for yourself (oh, the ways of confirmation bias). Well, get ready because it's going to bust open some more.

      But heck, I had to bring it up so here you go: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/micha...

      And to answer an earlier post:

      Brad says------

      Where have I attacked?

      Dean says, Hmm so what's this on someone else's post you made

      "You are grief stricken along with others that supported the two time presidential candidate loser."

      and..."Jassel

      emotion doesn't equal facts" (usual theme for you when somebody makes a valid point)"

      Here's another gem: "It does however ever show evidence of your failure to get grief counseling for your loss of your beloved Hillary.

      Donald Trump is the president of the US, and if he is not your president that you are in the wrong country."

      You know for someone who complains that commentators are whining and are too emotional, you seem to do a lot of whining and get very emotional upon hearing someone critique your boy.

      Well enough of that, I probably end up writing one of those long-winded diatribe rants you like to put on other people's comment section (Oh, and by the way, I delete the three you left on two article because I couldn't get through all the twist and turns and non-supported comments you like to make).

      So I'll leave with this: http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-tru...

      One more: http://time.com/5084420/donald-trump-lies-claims-f...

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      bradmasterOCcal 

      8 months ago from Orange County California

      Mike

      Thanks for your comment. Yes, it is amazing that with all of Hillary's lies and $1.6 Billion she still couldn't beat Trump. And in Hillary's case there was a whole Choir full of supporting liars most of them in the US government.

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      Readmikenow 

      8 months ago

      Brad, good article. My response to liberals who claim Trump lies is to know if they supported Hillary. If they did, then Hillary is their standard for president. Her vast amount of lies and deceptions are very well documented. My point is if Hillary supporters have an accepted standard for president as a person who is an established liar, so, why does it bother them when they believe Trump lies? They were comfortable with having a president who lies. To get upset because they believe Trump lies, makes them people who are swimming in a sea of hypocrisy.

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      bradmasterOCcal 

      8 months ago from Orange County California

      Dean

      Irrelevant

      Childish comment on your part

      your boy

      poster child

      drinking ensure

      Why don't you try answering my comments instead of doing what ever you call this?

      Bannon was fired, enough said.

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      Dean Traylor 

      8 months ago from Southern California

      Hey Brad, Steve Bannon just through your boy under the bus. Still think this is a left/right thing? Last check Bannon, the poster-child for drinking Ensure, wasn't one of these lefties you rally against all the time.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile imageAUTHOR

      bradmasterOCcal 

      8 months ago from Orange County California

      Well Folks the forum has had a new surge of comments. Quantity is not the determining factor here as the comments are not productive.

      The forum's question is using the 1950 "lies" to make president Trump look bad. But, as I have said many times they didn't adversely affect his performance.

      Even the wording in the Post article is anti Trump. And once again that article uses Purportedly or Allegedly and that is more opinion than fact.

      Can anyone pick out the three most harmful "Lies" and explain how they impact the country and the people.

      Do any of them compare with the Bush Jr. lie about WMD, and if you say it was bad information from the US Intelligence agencies. Then it shifts to these agencies, and it is a choice of their Lying, or just their incompetence.

      Does it compare to Obama's lie about, Obamacare. If you like your plan then you can keep it. It was either a lie or incompetence. It was his plan, and he got the wrong information? Really.

      Bill Clinton, with the DNA on the dress, he argued and pleaded that he didn't have sex with that woman. His exploits with woman were well known even when he was Governor.

      Bush Sr., Ollie did what? Seriously, and ex CIA head didn't know what was going on with the Iran Contra? and guilt by association that puts Regan in the lie as well.

      Obama, I had no idea about Hillary Clinton's private email server. Lie or Incompetence?

      What all of these examples have in common is that they had a major negative impact on the country.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile imageAUTHOR

      bradmasterOCcal 

      8 months ago from Orange County California

      Mike

      Brad: All the things that you state that are not relevant are only irrelevant in your mind by your own definition. In others minds, these things that Trump does or doesn't do are very relevant. When you say they are not relevant, what are you referring to that they are not relevant to?

      Brad ---- what are you referring to that is Relevant? Because that would be the shorter list

      -----------------

      Unless there is a judge and jury to rule on the relevance of something, it is only your objection and your word against others. All of Trump's behavior is relevant to his character as president.

      His lying, deception, and immorality are documented by his own tweets and admissions. Are you saying they are not relevant to running a country or to his agenda?

      Brad ------

      How he does his job is up to him, he is the president. If people don't like it then they get an opportunity in 2020 to vote him out of office. The problem here is that democrats and the left don't want to wait for 2020. They always talk about president Trump not doing the American Way, and yet the election process is the American Constitution Way and don't don't want to abide by that American Way.

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      Are you saying that the Washington Post is lying in the article that I posted and it is not relevant?

      Brad ------

      I have said that the Post article was the one that used the allegation or purported wording, and that made it just an Anti Trump written piece. I have said this in the article, please don't make this a copy function.

      Show me where in that article that they specify in what way these 1950 are important, and not just like catching punctuation mistakes.

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      At this stage of the game and as an adult, I could care less about Hillary losing the election, but I'm very concerned about Trump being a decent human being with the character and know how of how to run this country.

      His dropping out of the Paris Accord for climate change is very relevant to the world and an embarrassment to this country .

      Brad------

      The Paris Accord was a bad deal even if Climate Change was proven real. It put a big financial burden on the US and allows the third world countries to use and misuse carbon while we are stopped.

      What is the benefit when these countries will be creating the carbon in the air?

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      The severe weather we and the rest of the world are experiencing is going have a direct impact on our economic well being. However, he chooses to say that it is a Chinese hoax.

      Brad-----------------

      Even if that were true, what is it that we could do. When have we ever predicted nature, much less changed it. Our world is filled with events that were much more devastating then Carbon.

      We know less about the environment and how nature works, than we do about cancer. Yet, cancer eludes a cure, and everyone agrees about it.

      ---------------------------

      To me, that is very relevant. He may have passed tax reform, but the money will be spent on national disasters caused by global warming. But he would rather play to the fossil fuel group that got him elected. Instead of cross training coal miners into technology jobs, he has opened up more dirty coal mines. That is very relevant to our health and our economy. I can give you many more examples of relevancy, but I think you get my point.

      Brad------

      I don't get your point. Both parties and all the presidents for the at least the last 100 years have then created these problems. And what you have not mentioned is that the US has been in wars during most of those 100 years.

      Wars started by both democrat and republicans.

      The Bush presidents were bad for the country and they kept us in war. But they were not the only ones. Don't you think that FDR was itching to get into WWII any way he could. And Pearl Harbor was not different than 911.

      And while I am at it, remember why we shouldn't trust the US Intelligence Agencies. Pearl Harbor, 911. Iraq (WMDs), Libya and the list goes on.

      North Korea was allowed to go unchecked since the end of the Korean War, a war that we lost, while it is ticked off by others as an armistice. We lost Vietnam. And until Trump became president we were losing the won on Terror.

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      Mike give me the top 3 of the 1950 lies that make a difference that is important to the country and the people.

      30

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      Mike Russo 

      8 months ago from Placentia California

      Brad: All the things that you state that are not relevant are only irrelevant in your mind by your own definition. In others minds, these things that Trump does or doesn't do are very relevant. When you say they are not relevant, what are you referring to that they are not relevant to?

      Unless there is a judge and jury to rule on the relevance of something, it is only your objection and your word against others. All of Trump's behavior is relevant to his character as president. His lying, deception, and immorality are documented by his own tweets and admissions. Are you saying they are not relevant to running a country or to his agenda? Are you saying that the Washington Post is lying in the article that I posted and it is not relevant?

      At this stage of the game and as an adult, I could care less about Hillary losing the election, but I'm very concerned about Trump being a decent human being with the character and know how of how to run this country.

      His dropping out of the Paris Accord for climate change is very relevant to the world and an embarrassment to this country . The severe weather we and the rest of the world are experiencing is going have a direct impact on our economic well being. However, he chooses to say that it is a Chinese hoax.

      To me, that is very relevant. He may have passed tax reform, but the money will be spent on national disasters caused by global warming. But he would rather play to the fossil fuel group that got him elected. Instead of cross training coal miners into technology jobs, he has opened up more dirty coal mines. That is very relevant to our health and our economy. I can give you many more examples of relevancy, but I think you get my point.

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      bradmasterOCcal 

      8 months ago from Orange County California

      This is another example of how these "lies" are irrelevant.

      From the forum

      "1. There are no Russians. Nothing burger.

      2. The crowd at my inauguration was the biggest EVER!

      3. I never met Sater.

      4. Obama is not a US citizen.

      5. Obama bugged Trump Tower.

      The man is devoid of character. I'm glad he is going to get a check up 2 Walter Reed. Maybe he can get a character transplant."

      Brad -------------

      #1 Why are these Russians?

      What did they do?

      How did they do it?

      and Huma Abedin used her Yahoo account to send State Department passwords, All Yahoo accounts were hacked by a Russian person, who was arrested. But every hacker had access to her account.

      #2 What significance it this statement?

      #3 Sater -- like Flynn - meeting people is a crime?

      #4 It is a requirement for the US president to be older than 35 and a natural born citizen. We do need to vet presidential candidates. What is wrong with having Obama provide in a timely matter his birth certificate. This is not the same as asking for a candidates Tax returns, because tax returns are not a constitutional requirement.

      #5 Obama through FISA questionably obtained warrant using the bogus Dossier did allow surveillance of Trump and his team.

      The next part is just depression and grief because Hillary Clinton lost the election.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile imageAUTHOR

      bradmasterOCcal 

      8 months ago from Orange County California

      Dean

      Well, Brad, at least your last line was honest you don't have nothing...as usual.

      Brad says -----

      This again is not a comment, it is an attack.

      The English language connotation of my statement was addressed to you and Mike.

      You, not me, have nothing.

      And your latest comment is evidence of that.

      -------

      Just more deflections and denials.

      Brad says ----

      Now you are taking your red herrings and applying them to me. Another non comment from you.

      ------------------

      And if you feel I made a personal attack...considering that more than half the replies you've made on this site have been nothing but attacks...I guess you now know what it feels like when the table is turned on you.

      Brad says------

      Where have I attacked?

      -------

      Also, if your article is about the purported lies against your hero Trump (which by the way you didn't really prove in your article..just some bizarre metaphor for punctuation),

      Brad says ----

      You didn't read the article, once again my point was not to prove Trump a hero, but to point out that the forum topic of Trump lies was about minutia.

      ---------

      then tell us with verifiable research what those lies are.

      Brad says--- I went to the link cited by Mike and there was nothing there but minutia. Even if there were lies they were as I said in the article like punctuation errors, not affecting the content.

      ------------------

      No, that's not deflecting from the question. That's asking more to prove your point...if you have one.

      Brad says ----

      That is a deflection. Once again that was not my point.

      -----------

      You go in circle accusing anyone who questions your goals, but you barely supply anyone with anything.

      Brad says ----

      Questioning me is once again not commenting. And what goals do I have here. The only goal is for someone to comment on the content I write rather than attacking my punctuation. So far none of your "comment" addresses the content.

      -----------------

      You seem to like to duck and cover and then accuse others of duck and cover.

      Brad says ----

      I have made detailed comments in my article and I responded to you distraction questions. But you still have not commented on the content. It has been just a continuous stream of trying to distract.

      ------------

      BTW before you accuse anyone of lacking articulation, go back into your article and make it more readable for peat sake. You make a lot of accusations but have very little proof of anything.

      Brad says ------

      Can you provide examples of what that paragraph is supposed to mean? Your comment here is completed and there is still no comment from you on the content.

      -----------

      Brad says---- And BTW, the Brad says is merely a way to distinguish between my statements and those of others. It is not anything other than that.

      Look back at all your so called "comments" and tell me where you have taken anything specifics from the article and actually commented on it.

      Telling me to prove something and not provide and specific statement is just an attack and a distraction. You are trying to apply the Mohammad Ali Rope a dope. This is the wrong arena.

      And as I said about the forum, it is rolling to a stop as there is nothing being discussed about the topic.

      Some left wing columnist makes a statement about tracking Trump, and putting all of his statements into a database. Then they pour out the statistic from their data.

      They purport and these words are repeated in my article he lied. There are no details and no specifics about Trump's "lies", as in context.

      And the ones they mention in enough context are simply not important. They don't affect anything that he is doing as president.

      Neither the forum nor the link provides any reference to how the purported "lies" impaired his duties as president of the US.

      In conclusion, if you have something, it never made to here!

    • Dean Traylor profile image

      Dean Traylor 

      8 months ago from Southern California

      Well, Brad, at least your last line was honest you don't have nothing...as usual. Just more deflections and denials. And if you feel I made a personal attack...considering that more than half the replies you've made on this site have been nothing but attacks...I guess you now know what it feels like when the table is turned on you.

      Also, if your article is about the purported lies against your hero Trump (which by the way you didn't really prove in your article..just some bizarre metaphor for punctuation), then tell us with verifiable research what those lies are. No, that's not deflecting from the question. That's asking more to prove your point...if you have one. You go in circle accusing anyone who questions your goals, but you barely supply anyone with anything. You seem to like to duck and cover and then accuse others of duck and cover.

      BTW before you accuse anyone of lacking articulation, go back into your article and make it more readable for peat sake. You make a lot of accusations but have very little proof of anything.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile imageAUTHOR

      bradmasterOCcal 

      8 months ago from Orange County California

      Well folks it looks like the forum that inspired this article has run out of steam. At last look they were discussing sarcasm.

      Feel free to continue the non discussion here. But based on the responses here, it mimics the rolling stop of the forum.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile imageAUTHOR

      bradmasterOCcal 

      8 months ago from Orange County California

      Dean and Mike

      Personal attacks are not even a comment on an article, much less an argument for your view, and certainly not a compelling argument.

      Mike was the author and you are telling me that he is not on the left. Dean can't you even attempt to answer the article or do you not have any answer at all.

      Asking me to tell you about all his accomplishments is just another distraction.

      Mike and Dean, what is your point, what is your goal?

      The point of the forum and the point of this article is about the purported lies that the anti Trump claim.

      My point was that these purported lies are minutia which I have explained in detail in the article. But it is apparent that neither of you have actually read it. Then you do the tag team personal attack on me when I ask for your comment on what I have said in the article.

      Neither one of you has actually ever answered anything about my comments or articles.

      You can continue to avoid responding to my request for a comment on the contents within this article. A response is not asking a question it is a distraction, a red herring.

      Mike and Dean you both underwhelm me by your lack of articulating your point of view.

      Brad says --- you have nothing.

      :)

    • peoplepower73 profile image

      Mike Russo 

      8 months ago from Placentia California

      Brad: Nice job. You overwhelm everybody with your rants. Much like Kellyanne Conway and all of Trump's other advisors. You said Trump has made many accomplishments. Would you please mind listing them?

    • Dean Traylor profile image

      Dean Traylor 

      8 months ago from Southern California

      Brad, get off the red herring thing. I'd expect a better argument from someone who went to law school. Maybe you need to take the emotions out of your article.

      Also, who cares what "Brad Says" ?

      And just because the author of the forum you are talking about is "on the left" doesn't mean it makes it okay to do it. Come on! pulling the "what-about-ism" Really?

    • bradmasterOCcal profile imageAUTHOR

      bradmasterOCcal 

      8 months ago from Orange County California

      Dean

      That is not a comment, but yet another red herring.

      Seriously "Also, word for advice, vilifying one ideological group because they don't support your cause is not the way to win an argument. In fact, one will stop taking you seriously when you throw out the "Left" card."

      Brad says---

      I was commenting on the forum's threads. And what "left card"? Isn't the author of that thread on the left with the issue? And not commenting on the content of the article doesn't even get you into the game. BTW, the forum must have a Trump card. :)

    • bradmasterOCcal profile imageAUTHOR

      bradmasterOCcal 

      8 months ago from Orange County California

      Although tapped out the forum continued

      ----------------

      So you would rather have a really tough guy as a president, than one who doesn't lie and is not deceptive.

      Brad says --- who is he talking about?

      -------------

      I do think Trump believes his own ridiculous statements. He is a narcissist, and his creeping dementia is only makng him more mentally unfit.

      Brad says ----

      The word attacks continue without a single fact to back them up.

      What ridiculous statements?

      Why are they ridiculous?

      Why is he a narcissist, and how is that relevant?

      What is this creeping dementia?

      What support do you have that he mentally unfit, much less more mentally unfit?

      It sounds more like your grief from losing your queen is taking over any real comments.

      ------------------

      You are right about "Go Trump." He needs to be gone. Do you even have a clue, how America is Greater everyday. By the way, you should always capitalize proper names like Trump, America, and God.

      Brad says -----

      Why does he need to be gone? And who would replace him if he did go? Certainly no one from the left!

      If we strip away the resistance from the left, and their goal to take down president Trump, even at the cost of the country. It would be clear how the country is better everyday.

      Lastly, we have a grammar lesson instead of any compelling comments.

      ------------

      Probably a MAGA bot. Social media is crawling with them, I suppose it should be no different here.

      Brad says----

      Why is this forum still going with comments like this?

      ---------------

      Actually President Trump has not made a single false or misleading statement, unlike Obama, who famously said: "If you like your health care plan you can keep it and the costs will go down $2500 a year!" ROFLMAO

      Trump will go down in history as the third greatest president ever, behind only George Washington and Ronald Reagan; while Ovomit will be the worst after Jimmy Carter.

      Brad says --- A reasonable comment, I would have included Teddy Roosevelt. The last war that the US really won was when he was president.

      --------

      That wasn't a lie. Obama was given the wrong information. He didn't intentionally lie.

      Brad says---

      Seriously, it is called Obamacare. Who didn't tell him the truth? Maybe he wasn't a liar, just incompetent.

      ---------------------

      Your guy intentionally lies and intentionally creates deceptions.. There is a big difference... and please stop the name calling, just like your hero.

      Brad says ----

      What intentional lies of that magnitude did president Trump commit.

      What is the difference, actually what are you referring to at all?

      And you say hero in a facetious way?

      Again, with no compelling arguments from the author of this forum as well as none from his supporters. How is this forum still active?

      --------

      Brad says ----

      During the Obama presidency in 2013, congress raised the income tax medical deduction threshold to 10% from 7.5% and if Obamacare was so affordable why did they raise the deduction threshold. This deduction is most useful to the middle class. I think that Trump and the republicans and the current democrats in congress failed the people on this one.

      Just like raising the gas tax and vehicle registration fee in CA is most hurtful to the poor through the middle class. Good thing that Gov Brown didn't become president.

      --------

      PrettyPanther: Ahh, thank you. I thought that reply was a little out of character for you, but who knows. You are like my wife, sometimes, I don't know when she is kidding. Sorry about that.

      replymore →

      PrettyPanther profile image85

      PrettyPantherposted 99 minutes agoin reply to this

      Sorry, I thought that reply was a lot out of character for me and would be recognized as sarcasm. I guess that's why my momma often told me to stop being sarcastic.

    • Dean Traylor profile image

      Dean Traylor 

      8 months ago from Southern California

      Hey I'm just trying to make sense of a very convoluted article that goes beyond using red herrings and seems repleted with ad hominums, ad hoc rescues, "no Scotsman" and so forth. Also, word for advice, vilifying one ideological group because they don't support your cause is not the way to win an argument. In fact, one will stop taking you seriously when you throw out the "Left" card.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile imageAUTHOR

      bradmasterOCcal 

      8 months ago from Orange County California

      Dean

      You need to comment after I answer your 2nd red herring.

      Mike said "Would you rather have a lying, deceptive president or one who is above board and equal to the dignity of the office of the president?"

      Like your 2 comments they don't pertain to the content of my article.

      Nice try.

    • Dean Traylor profile image

      Dean Traylor 

      8 months ago from Southern California

      So what "red herring" did Mike state? Are you referring he was off topic from the headline you wrote or the article?

    • bradmasterOCcal profile imageAUTHOR

      bradmasterOCcal 

      8 months ago from Orange County California

      Dean

      I asked the same thing when I was in law school. It didn't make any sense at that time. I resolved it as something like doing something to throw the scent that a blood hound might be following, so that the real direction has been replaced by that of the red herring.

      In this article's case. A statement like, "So you would rather have a really tough guy as a president, than one who doesn't lie and is not deceptive.. " distracts from the article.

      My comment in the article is about the minutia versus substantial differences. That is the response to the question from the left. My point in the article is in my conclusion there.

      Thanks

    • Dean Traylor profile image

      Dean Traylor 

      8 months ago from Southern California

      Red Herring? Explain, please.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile imageAUTHOR

      bradmasterOCcal 

      8 months ago from Orange County California

      Mike

      I would rather have people on the left stop feeding us red herrings. You have yet to answer and question at all. You asked a question here that is irrelevant.

      We had 28 years of deceptive presidents, and now we have one, as I have commented in this article that is working for the country and the people.

      Mike

      I wrote the article, and I annotated it. You just plugged in the title from a website. A website that was very light on any facts.

      Thanks for visiting.

    • peoplepower73 profile image

      Mike Russo 

      8 months ago from Placentia California

      Would you rather have a lying, deceptive president or one who is above board and equal to the dignity of the office of the president?

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