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There is no Gun Crisis in America

Updated on April 12, 2017

There is no Gun Crisis in America!

I haven’t posted a political Hub in years because I found that some of my most loyal readers stopped following me simply because they disagreed with my conservative views. However, in light of the need to correct some very faulty reasoning on our Second Amendment rights, I feel compelled to speak out.

First, there is no gun crisis. If you are not suicidal, not a criminal, not a drug gang member, not a brave police officer, and not an illicit drug user, your chance of being shot in America is almost zero. Period.

Two out of three ‘gun violence deaths’ are actually self-inflicted suicides, and there’s no reason to believe that if a gun was unavailable, they would not find another method. Japan has the highest suicide rate in the world and almost none involve a firearm.

Less than 500 people a year die from gun accidents, and out of a population of over 320,000,000 that’s a remarkable safety record. And of those, less than 50 are children. That’s still too high, but we’re working on it.

Of the remaining 11,000 or so deaths, over 80% are drug gangs killing each other and customers who fail to pay.

Have you ever heard any of that from the Second Amendment opponents? If not, why not? It’s the truth.

Some of you may wonder why our politicians don’t do very much about the drug gang shootings and gun suicides they use to justify disarming the rest of us. Call me cynical, but if they worked hard to bring those numbers down drastically, they’d also lose the gun issue.

BTW, I don't expect much input from the anti-Second Amendment folks because they cannot dispute those figures and those facts. The best they can do is accuse me of 'not caring' about suicides and gang killings, but they know that the real point is that while we do have a suicide crisis and we do have a drug/drug gang crisis, we do not have a gun crisis.

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      James W. Nelson 3 months ago from eastern North Dakota

      Hey, Will Starr, glad to see a hub from you. I'll be looking to see if I can send a message.

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      WillStarr 3 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      You did!

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      Old Poolman 3 months ago

      WillStarr, always a pleasure no matter what subject you choose to write about.

      You are absolutely correct that the supposed gun crisis is a false concept. Most of the published numbers regarding deaths caused by guns in this country are inflated or misstated by the media and the anti-gun crowd.

      The media does occasionally publish the numbers of the gang banger's killed by guns in a city like Chicago, but most of that is drug related.

      But you may recall the outrage when now President Trump stated that drastic action must be taken to clean up the gangs and drugs in some of our cities? It was automatically assumed President Trump would have tanks roaming our streets to battle the drug gangs. You can bet that many residents of those neighborhoods would approve of any action to reduce the gang activity where they live.

      Many of the most vocal anti-gun group are fortunate enough to constantly be surrounded by armed security provided by our government or private firms.

      As you relate in your hub, there are many ways to commit suicide if that is something one wants to do. A gun just makes it faster and easier to do. If no gun were available the suicide would most likely still happen.

      The big problem is the free flowing drug issue in this country. As you pointed out most of the gang deaths by gun are drug related. We have pretty much lost the war on drugs, and this problem continues to grow. Until we can control the drugs guns will still be blamed for all the needless deaths.

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      TSAD 3 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

      Just what I've always liked about you Will, you tell it like it is. No spin, no straw man tactics, lies or innuendo and demeaning of the messenger. Just the real honest facts.

      Now get prepared to experience all of the above from your detractors solely because they can't refute anything you said and that is exactly all they are.

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      mckbirdbks 3 months ago from Emerald Wells, Just off the crossroads,Texas

      Hi Will - I do respect your right to bear arms, and your right to voice your opinion on the issues of the day.

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      WillStarr 3 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      You're quite correct, Mike and while all gun deaths are a tragedy for someone, the notion that we are all in daily danger is pure poppycock. There is no blood in the streets and, unless we are stupidly in known bad neighborhoods buying drugs, our streets are among the safest in the world to walk. We are far more likely in America to take a fall and die that to be killed by being shot.

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      WillStarr 3 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Thank you Tony, but I will not be sidetracked from the simple truth. I promise!

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      WillStarr 3 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      I know that, Mike. You have always been fair about these things and I respect you highly for that. You are a good friend and I am grateful for that.

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      Lori Colbo 3 months ago from Pacific Northwest

      I love how you communicate in whatever genre short and sweet. This is spot on. I hate guns, they scare me, so I don't own one, but I think the right to bear arms is a fundamental and constitutional right and I don't think the libs need to make it what it's not.

      What chaps my hide are the Hollywooders like Matt Damon who has made a lot of movies shooting and blowing up people places and things and then carries on against guns in the real world.

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      WillStarr 3 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      You make an excellent point, Lori...much of the anti-gun rhetoric we hear is actually based on Hollywood nonsense. People have to remember that all the killings we see on the silver screen are Hollywood fiction and not real at all.

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      diogenes 3 months ago

      Hi, Will:

      In general, I find myself siding with those who want to arm our police in the UK. This very day; in fact, this very moment, London's streets are lined with people mourning the officer shot by another hate-filled radical who killed and injured innocent people walking along Westminster Bridge a couple of weeks ago. What do we have to do? Ban motor vehicles, which are becoming the weapon of choice by crazoids everywhere.

      If PC Keith Palmer had been armed he would have at least probably saved his own life.

      Most here were in agreement with Trump using missiles against the Assad regime last week. These people don't understand diplomacy,,,except at the point of a gun!

      Best regards Bob

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      James W. Nelson 3 months ago from eastern North Dakota

      Lori Colbo really nailed it about Hollywooders making a big bad deal about guns, yet they make their living by playing with guns on the screen.

      Matt Damon is one, and there are a ton more!

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      WillStarr 3 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Hi Bob!

      When your opponent is armed and you are not, your chance of survival is greatly diminished. That's what happened to Lee Rigby and PC Keith Palmer.

      During WW2, your unarmed Home Guard was facing an invasion by the Nazis armed with nothing more than farm shotguns, pitchforks and clubs. In desperation, Churchill turned to FDR who sent ships loaded with arms. After the war, those arms were destroyed. That fact has been hushed up over the years.

      An 'unarmed' society is not necessarily a safe society. Scotland now leads the world in assaults, followed closely by Northern Ireland, and knives are the weapon of choice. A woman or a small/elderly man armed with a gun has an even chance of fending off a criminal, but has no chance at all if unarmed or armed only with a close combat weapon like car keys.

      The well-armed US gun crime rate is much higher than the disarmed UK, but most of our gun crime is being committed by a large minority population that the UK simply does not have. If we correct that demographic disparity and compare again, the well-armed US is comparable to the disarmed UK.

      (I will be labeled a racist for simply telling that truth, but so be it. Facts are facts.)

      I support the UK's right to self-determination and that includes the right to disarm themselves. But you are one of the few Brits who supports the US right to self-determination. Most constantly criticize their cousins for maintaining the right to keep and bear arms. They don't realize that it actually originated in the the UK!

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      WillStarr 3 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Hi Jimmy!

      Hollywood firearm scenes are ridiculous with cars blowing up and splinters flying everywhere. Most real gunfights occur within a few feet and are over in seconds when they either run away or one of the combatants simply collapses without fanfare or drama.

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      Eric Dierker 3 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Very well done.

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      Old Poolman 3 months ago

      Anyone who has an issue with citizens owning guns in America should talk to the cops whose lives were recently saved by armed civilians. I doubt those police officers who went home to their family's that day have a problem with legally armed civilians.

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      WillStarr 3 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Thank you, Eric!

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      WillStarr 3 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Hi Mike!

      Armed civilians have proven to be a lifesaver for the same police officers who were once wary of them.

      When Arizona passed a law allowing any law-abiding citizen to carry a concealed weapon, there was a great hue and cry that 'blood will run in the streets'. The only thing that happened was a decrease in gun crime. That was 7 years ago.

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      mckbirdbks 3 months ago from Emerald Wells, Just off the crossroads,Texas

      Hi Bill - I am not opposed to guns. I am sure civilians have no real need to own military weapons for sport. Guns, only in the hands of the authorities is a higher madness.

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      WillStarr 3 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Hi Mike!

      Bill Clinton tried to sell the absurd notion that the intent of the Second Amendment was to protect duck hunting! Nothing could be farther from the truth. Its intent was to protect the right of the citizen to arm himself for both private protection and for militia use, should the need arise. That's why the US v Miller decision noted that the weapons protected by the Second Amendment were those suitable for militia use. In that light, not only are military type weapons protected, they are the very reason for the Second Amendment.

      Lastly, 'need' has never been a prerequisite for exercising any of our Constitutional rights, including the Second Amendment right to be armed. If it was, government could demand that the press demonstrate a 'need' to publish criticism of government or that we demonstrate a 'need' to speak freely.

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      MizBejabbers 3 months ago

      Will, I'm a Southern girl, and I'm going to have to back you up on this. I think you’ve analyzed the situation accurately and put forth a well-written article. We learned to shoot as children, and we were also taught to fear guns in the hands of fools.

      I started learning to shoot when I was 3 years old and by age 6, I was a crack shot. Much better than I am now with the eye problems and arthritic hands of old age. That's why I would never apply for a permit nor carry a gun today. The only gun problem that I see is the overreaction of a certain gun-totin’ crowd who want to see guns carried anywhere and everywhere, even in the hands of fools. I don't want to go into a crowded mall where everybody is packing heat. To me that is more dangerous than when everybody is unarmed. Talk about gunfight at the OK-J.C. Penneys corral!

      My state, among others has just overreacted by passing laws allowing guns in churches (WWJD?), government buildings, etc., just about everywhere. I fear that this lack of common sense among our spiteful lawmakers is going to create a backlash that will get people who otherwise would not to rise up and support the anti-gun lobby, especially if a child or children get caught in crossfire at a public place and a mass murder occurs. I think our gun laws of 30 or 40 years ago were adequate to allow those of us who own guns to protect ourselves. (I carried a revolver in my purse when I was a reporter.) I'm just afraid this tug-of-war over gun laws is going to get a lot of people hurt or killed, which may result in a backlash that actually could outlaw guns. We need common sense on both sides of the gun aisle. People need to be able to protect themselves, but not be vigilantes.

      BTW, that photo of the shotgun you used looks a lot like the first gun my Daddy bought me, an antique Crescent .410 ga. double-barrel. I still have it, but it’s so old now that I would be afraid to fire it.

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      Martie Coetser 3 months ago from South Africa

      Getting killed by a criminal using an illegal gun is the order of the day in my country. And this is a crisis. So, perhaps, if owning a gun becomes illegal, there will be no guns for criminals to steal?

      Not! Whomever wants a gun will get it by hook or by crook.

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      WillStarr 3 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Hi MizBejabbers!

      While I support the right to open-carry, too many use it as an in-your-face intimidation. I much prefer concealed carry simply because it's not intimidating if no one knows you're armed...out of sight, out of mind.

      There are two types that want guns banned...those who are paranoid, and those who have political goals that require submission.

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      WillStarr 3 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Hi Martie Coetser, and great point!

      One way to shut up a gun grabber is to ask them if they will absolutely guarantee that no criminal will be armed with any sort of weapon if I give up my firearm. If they cannot guarantee that, then what's the purpose in disarming law abiding citizens?

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      Ruby Jean Fuller 3 months ago from Southern Illinois

      I think it's time for people to change their thinking about gun ownership. If the preacher had a gun, he and many in his congregation would be alive today. The same for schools.

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      WillStarr 3 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      You are absolutely right, Ruby Jean Fuller. In fact, these killers choose so-called gun free zones precisely because they know they will meet no resistance.

      The method is not so important as the result, which is why such killers are turning to using vehicles as instruments of mass murder.

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      AngloSaxon 3 months ago from England

      Thank you for your article and for your supportive comments on my own.

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      MizBejabbers 3 months ago

      Will, I understand your point about open carry, and permits weren't required when I carried. However, I believe that there are places where carrying is either inappropriate or too dangerous to let everyone carry, even with a permit. Many people are too hot-tempered nowadays to be trusted. We have a family member who wears a bullet-proof vest and won't go anywhere he can't carry. The rest of the family has said that we don't want to go anywhere that paranoid nuts like Bud are carrying guns. Oh, yeah, he has a concealed carry permit.

      Your comment about gun-free zones is right on target. I'm not against guns at all. I just want to see some common sense exercised.

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      WillStarr 3 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Thank you Ango Saxon for commenting and also for being the first British cousin I've encountered who openly supports the right to arms. It's refreshing because so many have been brainwashed into giving up their rights in exchange for a false sense of safety.

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      WillStarr 3 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      I fully understand your concerns, MizBejabbers, but unless access is controlled by a metal detector and armed guards, only the law abiding will honor the no weapon rule. Those bent on doing harm will not only ignore it, it will please them to know that they cannot be stopped.

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      Larry Rankin 3 months ago from Oklahoma

      Interesting perspective.

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      Old Poolman 3 months ago

      Remember the church shooting in Colorado about 10 years ago? I think it was an armed female FBI agent who was in the congregation who was able to stop the shooter. Gun Free zones are like fish bowls to the crazies that just want to kill people.

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      WillStarr 3 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Thank you, Larry Rankin! I just commented on your great Hub.

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      WillStarr 3 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      You are correct as always, Mike Blue. 'Gun free zones' are an open invitation to crazies and terrorists. It's one of the most idiotic ideas ever, unless it's enforced with metal detectors and armed guards. You may as well roll out a welcome mat.

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      Hxprof 3 months ago from Clearwater, Florida

      Succinct, to the point, straightforward. Many thumbs up!

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      WillStarr 3 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Thank you, Hxprof.

      Second Amendment opponents don't want armed citizens, but they have no case so they are forced to muddy the waters with all sorts of misdirection. The truth is always far simpler.

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      TSAD 3 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

      Go back in time to 2013 cdc study (ordered by Obama btw)

      No main stream media coverage of this. Why? Because they were too busy reporting fake news, no doubt. The only establishment media even to mention the report was the Washington Post, which criticized it for not answering questions that it wasn't asked to answer!

      https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/1...

      The Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council researchers compiled data from previous studies in order to guide future research on gun violence, noting that “almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year.” Dwarfing the number of violent crimes involving firearms (300,000) in 2008.

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      WillStarr 3 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      All true, TSAD, but the important point is that the ordinary citizen is in no danger from firearms despite all the hysteria being generated by Second Amendment opponents.

      There is a suicide crisis and there is an inner city drug gang crisis, but there is no blood in American streets and never has been. It's a false meme generated to convince the unwary that we should submit to the state and disarm.

      Never!

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      WillStarr 3 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      The anti-Second Amendment crowd has gone uncharacteristically silent. My work here is done.

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      TSAD 3 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

      lol

      They're too busy exercising TDS to be bothered with gun control now and they have to know by now they can't pull the wool over your eyes with their phony and transparent arguments. Best spend their time on numskulls who will fall for their insipid tactics to propagandize.

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      AngloSaxon 3 months ago from England

      Thanks. Yes, it is concerning that so many of my fellow Brits have been so conditioned into thinking guns (and weapons generally) are evil, and no less concerning to seeing that mindset spread in the US.

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      WillStarr 3 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Hi TSAD !

      When they cannot divert or deny the truth, they're suddenly busy elsewhere.

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      WillStarr 3 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Hi AngloSaxon!

      I've discussed this at length with your countrymen, and I'm happy to hear that I'm not alone in my observation of state brainwashing. I'm just stunned that men anywhere actually believe and agree that they should not be trusted with a firearm, much less my otherwise brave English cousins.

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      Suhail Zubaid aka Clark Kent 3 months ago from Mississauga, ON

      It is good to see you back, Will.

      As a Liberal from Canada, but having lived in the USA for my education, I can relate to all sorts of pro- and anti-guns arguments. I am against guns for everybody. I would like the USA to have even more stringent controls associated with customer identification and background checks, especially of medical history, for selling guns. I would also like NRA to fund more nature conservation efforts in the USA.

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      Genna East 3 months ago from Massachusetts, USA

      Will, I may not agree with your political viewpoints, but I will in a nanosecond fight for your right to express them. Anyone who does otherwise is rather full of donkey dust. This is a very well written hub.

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      WillStarr 3 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Happy Easter, Suhail Zubaid aka Clark Kent!

      The point of the article is that there is no justification for more gun laws if there is no crisis.

      In any case, no gun law has the slightest effect on criminals and with our rigid HIPAA regulations, mental health pros are afraid to disclose dangerous patients to authorities for fear of lawsuits.

      In the US, over 90% of all firearms deaths are either suicides or drug gang related, yet anti-gun politicians make little to no effort to address either one. Why not?

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      WillStarr 3 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Hi Genna East, and Happy Easter!

      Thank you for your always kind words and have a great day!

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      TSAD 3 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

      Clark Kent, even superman would be proud of what the NRA does.

      The NRA supports wildlife conservation through efforts to open lands up to managed hunting. For example, under the Pittman-Robertson Act of 1937, proceeds obtained through a tax on hunting firearms and ammo were used specifically to research and rebuild a vast array of wildlife species and habitats. Today, the NRA continues to seek expansion on these measures. It's worth noting that the proceeds from taxes and licensing go to support the governmental agencies charged with environmental research and conservation management, as "little funding comes from taxes paid by the general public."

      https://mic.com/articles/23929/10-surprising-facts...

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      Paula 3 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Will....I do agree with your opinions on most all I've read of your beliefs, especially this topic. It frightens me immensely that so many of the "wrong" (criminals, mentally deranged, admitted enemies of U.S, etc) have access and ownership of guns. However, it frightens me even MORE that there would ever be a movement to take guns away from the American citizen, who has an undeniable right (and responsibility) to protect themselves, families, properties, liberties and rights.

      I have not been able to make any sense of the positions on this to the contrary. I do not know where these people come from or what on earth they're thinking.

      No matter how many different ways I am able to analyze their stance, it comes out the same way. So, because "they" erroneously see the guns as the problem, as opposed to those who use them....every American must be stripped of their right to protection from the evil, crazy & criminal, who will continue to attack, destroy & murder via any method of violence known to man.....bombs, knives, fire, vehicles, poisonous gases, toxins, etc.....Yeah, OK....maybe I'll agree with this as soon as I check my brain at the door. Kudos, Will. Let's remain among the sane.

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      WillStarr 3 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Thank you, Paula, and you're correct of course.

      The point that I'm making is that Americans who are not suicidal and don't engage in criminal activities or drugs have a far better chance of tripping over the dog and dying from the fall than from being shot. The insinuation is that we are all in great danger of being shot, but it simply is not true as I have demonstrated.

      That's why none of the anti-Second Amendment folks have commented. Facts are facts, so all they can do is make emotional appeals.

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      GalaxyRat 3 months ago from The Crazy Rat Lady's House

      Amen, WillStarr!

      As my dad says, it's not guns who kill people, it's PEOPLE who kill people. We deserve to have guns to defend ourselves, because otherwise, what would we really have besides that? Pepper spray? No thank you. Knives work so-so, if you have training.

      I am trained in street fighting and KravMaga, but I would rather have a gun in my hand.

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      WillStarr 3 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      You're quite correct, Gemini Descendant. A large skilled opponent will always defeat a small equally skilled opponent. But a small person armed with a firearm is the equal of a large person, all other things being equal. That's why a firearm is called the great equalizer. Without it, large bullies would once again rule the world, like Goliath.

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      wba108@yahoo.com 2 months ago from upstate, NY

      You are so correct, the real crisis in America is the loss of God, guts and guns. Liberals and their insane desire to enslave the rest of us is really just a symptom of a sick society.

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      TSAD 2 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

      You got that right WBA! Remember this:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WsY0VYrv5o

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      GalaxyRat 2 months ago from The Crazy Rat Lady's House

      WAB,

      So true, like TSAD said. That is my view on the matter as well.

      Bless ya!

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      wba108@yahoo.com 2 months ago from upstate, NY

      TSAD - Amen to that! At least now they can stop pretending, they stand against God on the important issues and now I guess its official.

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      WillStarr 2 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      All good points. I'm still waiting for an anti-Second Amendment supporter to tell me why I'm wrong.

      Yes, it's sad that 2 out of 3 gun deaths are suicides, but that presents no danger to the rest of us.

      Yes, it's outrageous that the drug culture of the 60's, openly promoted by the likes of the Beatles, has blossomed into 80% of all gun murders and over 50,000 overdose deaths a year, but that too has nothing to do with the rest of us.

      If we are not suicidal and not involved in drugs or crime, our chance of being shot in the US are almost zero. In fact, we are over twice as likely to be assaulted walking the streets of the UK than in America! Unarmed Scotland earned the dubious title of most violent country on Earth from the UN! After all, they are almost certain that their victims are unarmed and helpless in the UK.

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      Becky Katz 2 months ago from Hereford, AZ

      I agree with you and I have lived with guns in my home for my entire life. My dad hunted and I have the rifle my great-grandfather gave my grandfather when he was 10. I married a policeman and we taught our kids to treat guns with respect and to keep their hands off unless they were given permission. My husband died recently and I have sold a couple of his, and gotten one to replace them. I live in the boonies and just want something to protect my family and my pets. I have had to shoot at a couple of coyotes that got into my fenced back yard after my dogs. I did not need to shoot them, just at them. I also had to shoot a rattlesnake that decided to take up residence under my front porch. Too close to my babies to suit me.

      I do not know anyone that has ever had to defend themselves from people, except my husband. He loved his shotgun, because it kept him from having to shoot people when he was working. Just the sound of that pump sliding let them know he was serious and they would put their hands up. They have their uses. I do not need to use mine daily, but if I do, I have it. I do live in the boonies, after all. I would not live anywhere else.

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      WillStarr 2 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Your story is typical of the ordinary, law-abiding gun owner, Becky Katz and no honest person has anything to fear from us. Thank you!

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      WillStarr 2 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      This Hub has now been up for over a month, and yet not one of the anti-Second Amendment stalwarts has attempted to dispute the hard facts I've presented or the obvious conclusions drawn from those facts.

      That's because they cannot.

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      TSAD 2 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

      There is another reason Will.

      They prefer to comment on their own turf, on their authored Hub Pages so they can control the conversation, censor comments which they can't refute or comments that show them ridiculously wrong. Sometimes, when they realize their discourse embarrassingly demonstrates their ignorance and/or lack of candor they will delete the whole debate with you under the false pretense you attacked them or are insulting their intelligence, any excuse that couldn't be farther from the truth.

      You will find this behavior not just from anti-Second Amendment stalwarts but other self aggrandizing hubbers who will never admit, even entertain the idea that their opinion could be wrong despite the facts looking them straight in the face.

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      WillStarr 2 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      You're correct, TSAD. I've had many perfectly legitimate comments deleted by anti-Second Amendment advocates (especially by our UK cousins!) because they destroyed their faulty arguments or their twisted statistics. They do not like to be disputed and want to control the debate, even if it means deleting legitimate comments.

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      Suhail Zubaid aka Clark Kent 2 months ago from Mississauga, ON

      TSAD,

      I apologize for missing out on your comments left 4 weeks ago.

      I have my own reservations about Pittman-Robertson Act. I had written a hub on this matter titled, 'Are hunters in the USA a major contributor to wildlife conservation: A negative aspect of Pittman-Robertson Act' a few years back.

      I am generally not against the Act and the NRA and I often cite the good work of both on other pages when it comes to some third world countries. However, imho, there are some boasts that I struggle to digest.

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      TSAD 2 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

      No problem. Hey did you hear, since trump was elected Gun sales have plummeted! According to research conducted by the Washington Post, in the first two months of 2017, the number of background checks conducted by the FBI—the metric most often used to estimate industry-wide gun sales—decreased to 4.3 million, a decline of 17 percent compared to same period just one year ago, when background checks totaled 5.2 million.

      I find it hilarious that the minute Hillary lost the election people stopped buying guns. Gun sales soared throughout Obama's tenure, every year new highs due to fears President Barack Obama (and Hilliary) would restrict owners’ ability to purchase or possess many different kinds of ammunition and guns.

      NRA could have helped gun manufacturers out by supporting Hillary if that is their goal as the left would have you believe.

      Trump did something the left wanted to do without even trying.

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      Suhail Zubaid aka Clark Kent 2 months ago from Mississauga, ON

      TSAD,

      That is very interesting! I will look into the numbers and see if there is an explanation contrary to what you suggested as a reconfirmation.

      Regards,

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      WillStarr 2 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Since you never addressed the statistics I provided or the conclusions drawn, I am curious, Suhail Zubaid aka Clark Kent, whether you agree or disagree with the premise.

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