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Those Cruel and Uncaring Conservatives

Updated on October 12, 2011

October 10, 2011

I had a conversation with a liberal who allegedly was a wealthy person awhile back (I have no proof they were wealthy, only that they said they were in the top 1% of income earners).

He believed he had the perfect right to tell all taxpayers what it was he thought they should do with their money.

His (basic) philosophy was, we weren’t taxed enough and the rich didn’t pay their “fair share” (gee, this is starting to have a familiar ring to it).

He (let’s call him Joe for the sake of this story) even offered an account about a relative in the hopes he could theoretically bolster his position. It was a sad story – the relative had a grown son who lived with him, got into a horrendous car accident and the subsequent hospital bills broke the family member’s finances and ultimately spirit. Broke, homeless and saddled with a now dependent son to take care of, along with insurmountable debt, the relative was despondent. Joe said, this wasn’t fair.

This was the basis for his argument that a) the rich need to pay their fair share and b) others need to pay for the healthcare costs of others who are less fortunate (i.e. Obamacare).

I will confess, at first blush, my heart went out to this man. We had a grown daughter who lived with us a short time after she graduated from Michigan State University while she was in-between jobs. If something had--God-forbid--happened to her, we would have given everything and anything we had to bring her back to health. There is no question of it.

When I thought of this, another thought occurred to me. We bought our first house – the house we now live in, in 2004. As a career Army Officer, my husband and I thought it wise for us never to own a home as we moved on an average, every two years. So it was with trepidation I realized that our daughter would be living with us and she no longer would be covered under her student-bought health insurance. My husband and I discussed it and after a little research, we bought a six month “catastrophic" health insurance policy for her – just in case. We didn’t want to take the chance that she could possibly require extensive care due to some unforeseen emergency and then be left with crippling bills leading to us losing our long awaited for home. You pay in one lump sum and at the time, it gave us some peace of mind.

So it was with that memory I asked Joe, “Did your relative buy insurance for his son and it just didn’t cover the costs or what?”

Joe ignored my question and rattled on about those with enough money should be “investing” in helping those who couldn’t afford health care.

So I tried to get back to the point. I explained what we did for our daughter. I then asked again, had his relative neglected to do the same thing? Is that why this terrible calamity left him broke and essentially destitute because he failed to buy health insurance for his son?

More obfuscation by mentioning that I was cruel and callous for not wanting to help the poor or needy. Yeah, those cruel and horrible conservatives. We're an evil lot we are...

So I repeated my question, prefacing it with, “Was it that your relative couldn’t even afford this type of lump sum policy at the time? Prior to the accident, was your relative poor?”

I’m guessing not. I'm guessing relative decided he simply didn't wish to bother paying for medical insurance for his young grown son. I'll never know for certain as I never received an answer to my questions posed to him regarding a rider type of policy to tide the relative over while his son lived with him for just such a terrible unexpected emergency.

I believe his relative decided to take his chances believing nothing disastrous would happen. That’s a nice outlook, but why should the taxpayer pay for that type of gamble? While I'm sorry for his relative's now stone-broke situation, why is this my fault? The grasshopper and the ant story seems to come to mind here...

Why is it the responsibility of me or any taxpayer to pay for his relatives poor judgment? That would have been my question had I bothered to continue to waste my time answering his straw-man arguments. I didn’t stick around, I don’t have the patience as I don’t suffer fools very well. I know, I need to work on that, but there it is…a confession. Who has the time to chase around a circular, nonsensical argument?

It all boils down to personal responsibility. It’s a Biblical principle. Imagine that. This seems a very difficult concept for liberals to embrace. Do I say that healthcare in this country with or without Obamacare is perfect? Of course not. However, I do know this – asking those who earn a living and pay taxes, to pay for everyone who falls upon unfortunate circumstances isn’t logical.

Later on Joe was bemoaning those who came into the clinic where his wife worked in various advanced stages of illness due to the fact they couldn’t afford proper preventative medical care. Ultimately, they ended up in a clinic well past an easily treatable stage sometimes actually leading to death. My heart broke. I listened to him tell a few more very upsetting stories. Especially when he talked about a small child who came into the clinic almost on death’s door with something that early treatment probably could have avoided altogether. He finished with his obvious implication as yet unspoken—we need Obamacare.

I have been a volunteer for such organizations as the American Red Cross and various nation-wide animal rescue groups for most of my adult life. I’m not saying this to elicit any type of reaction from anyone who might read this. I will say something quite frankly. I do it first and foremost because yes, I believe it to be my Christian duty. It is also something else.

It makes me feel good.

It truly is better to give than it is to receive and I’ve lived this, over and over, applying this principle proving itself sometimes in the short run but also sometimes in the long run. When I give, it brings me joy. I’m no saint and I’m not trying to imply that I am. Doing something for others that brings happiness is awesome.

So it was not without care that I answered Joe as he left his implied point about our need for Obamacare hanging in the air between us.

“Well, I guess this is the way I see it. It’s all about personal responsibility. Even Jesus said in his time ‘The poor will always be with you.’ Since this is a universal truth, I see it this way: I have no right to demand that my neighbor next door do something about a cause I believe to be important, as causes are as varied as species of fish. I do, however, have the ability to do something about the poor myself, in my own community and I believe it is my duty to take action. So I take action.”

I went on to explain, that to some that may be just to write a check. To some who don’t have the means or the money – for example those who might work two jobs with three children to support – then maybe once a month they could ladle soup at the soup kitchen. Regardless of how much a person can devote towards this end, it’s up to the individual as I have no right to take my neighbor’s money and put it towards the particular societal organization I personally deem worthy. The federal government doesn’t either. I gave this example: I believe a pro-life group should get a large portion of our charitable giving. Should it therefore be my right to take his (Joe’s) money and give it to my chosen pro-life group (knowing full-well Joe was pro-choice)? Of course not. That’s why the federal government taking money and distributing it is a wrong system of doing things. Not to mention unconstitutional.

Joe is a figment of my imagination, it is in reality, a conglomeration of discussions with liberals, but the point is still the same.

Personal responsibility. You keep your mitts off of my money and I’ll keep my mitts off of yours unless it is specified in the constitution for the general welfare. Otherwise liberals, check that box to give extra money to the treasury when you send your money into the IRS. If you prefer, make a trip to D.C. and deliver your money in person. Stop carping about you having the right to the money the rest of us have earned, you don’t.


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    • nicomp profile image

      nicomp really 

      8 years ago from Ohio, USA

      I love the word 'investing.' Gotta go now... time to fill out my 1040 Federal Investing Return.

    • cjv123 profile imageAUTHOR


      8 years ago from Michigan

      PJ let's just start with this - you are accepting at full value anything the Obama administration has propagandized about the healthcare bill. When many of us knew from the start - they were lying about so many things they promised about Obamacare. In the first place we must know - you must know PJ that whenever ANY federal government entity promised something would "only" cost so much - it never ever has. It always cost more. With the exception of the Pentagon (on occasion) as they had a budget they couldn't exceed. So - we know that the predictions of jobs created and all the money it would "save" right from the start were false promises. Lies if you will. We also know that even the very people you are quoting, the people who made these claims THEMSELVES didn't even know what was in the healthcare bill and that it "had to be passed before they could know what was in it." (quote by Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House).

      Now - today there are two articles in the WSJ that prove the Obama administration 1) didn't know what they were talking about and 2) made false promises and clearly tried to deceive the American people:

      This is why many of us hate Obamacare - but it is only the tip of the iceberg as to why we hate almost everything about Obamacare.

      Does our healthcare system need to be worked on? Absolutely. Do I want the poor to go without health care? No and it is important that we continue to address this problem, however, the very fact that the Obama administration has continued to lie to us, ram the bill down our throats with lies and secretive meetings should have at least made you suspicious of the bill from the start PJ. As Herman Cain says - DIVORCE THE DEMOCRATS. They're lying to you and they always have - they've lied to groups of minorities and other groups to keep them dependent upon them FOR YOUR CONTINUED VOTES. It's time to break free and see them for what they've become - oppressors.

    • PJ Jones profile image

      PJ Jones 

      8 years ago

      I enjoyed your hub, but Iam confused. Will someone please explain to me, how in God's name, why Obama's Affordable Health Care Plan (AHCP) is resented so much. The AHCP is to urge people to be more responsible.

      The plan is mainly for working adults, who do not earn enough, those who work part time or for working adults whose employer may not offer medical insurance.

      Your child can stay on your policy until age 26 and not have to attend college. Insurance companies cannot drop you for a major illness or increase your premiums. The insurance is geared for your personal need, called "cafeteria" benefits. you choose only what you feel that you need. It's the same that congress has.

      The more people who participate, the cheaper the cost becomes. That's why there is a "mandate". However, there is no, the IRS is not going to keep track of those who do not join. If the benefits that you choose cost more than you can afford, government subsidize your cost. This is how the lie atarted about IRS.

      You will not be penalized if you don't purchase insurance. your income verifies how much of a subsidy you will need...if any (only)

      Employers that cannot afford employee insurance, will be given incentives to offer AHCP to all. Remember, the more who participate, the cheaper it becomes.

      For future medical professionals, student loans can be paid off by working in clinics or county positions for 2 to 3 years before starting a private practice. There are many more provisions in this bill designed to give a hand up and not a "hand out".

      I don't understand when I hear people against this bill...why? It does not addd to our large deficit, infact, as time progresses it saves money, adds jobs and helps americans to hopefully stay healthier.

    • cjv123 profile imageAUTHOR


      8 years ago from Michigan

      Excellent point Sheila! There are very expensive pizza joints in Lansing too - but no one is complaining about that or the price of a drink at a bar! Well said - as usual!

    • sheila b. profile image

      sheila b. 

      8 years ago

      Where I live a visit to a good clinic is fifteen dollars. A pizza is eighteen dollars. And I hear people complain about having to pay the clinic, but I don't hear them complain about paying for a pizza.

      I heard someone on TV recently ranting about children going to bed hungry. With food stamps and free breakfast and lunch at school, if children are going to bed hungry it's because their parents are not doing their job. (The library had free breakfasts for kids all summer, too.)

      I think we're all tired of listening to these 'progressives' blame everyone but the ones who won't accept personal responsibility!

    • cjv123 profile imageAUTHOR


      8 years ago from Michigan

      SoozBlooz - I'm sorry you haven't found a job - but very inspired by your attitude of personal responsibility.

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      8 years ago

      Dear Writer: How's that acid reflux? Probably undigested bits of liberal conversation roiling around in your tummy.

      Here's the thing that gets me: I have NO job. Nonetheless, under OmamaCare, I'll be required to buy insurance I can't afford over the long haul (and it IS long, isn't it? Thanks Mr. O.)

      I haven't had health insurance coverage since September of 2007. But I've got enough put by should something catastrophic happen. Even if something does, and I deplete my savings and 401K, who's to say I can't pay the bill off over time? It is absolutely no-one else's responsibility but mine. You got that right.

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      8 years ago

      First of all liberals never answer questions, they just keep rambling on. Second of all, the notion of responsibility for oneself has become a dirty concept. Unless we turn this around we will be living in a socialist nightmare. Up and awesome and interesting too.

    • SheriSapp profile image


      8 years ago from West Virginia

      Personal responsibility is poison to these lib loons. If they actually take responsibility for their free choices and actions, then they would have nobody to blame for the consequences other than themselves. Look to our current "president", he has made a career out of casting blame everywhere except upon himself and his poor decisions. His foolish class warfare words are stirring the pot, and not in a good way.

    • Dave Sibole profile image

      Dave Sibole 

      8 years ago from Leesburg, Oh

      Great Hub. Voting up.

    • profile image


      8 years ago

      Voted up. Well said.

    • Bail Up ! profile image

      Bail Up ! 

      8 years ago

      Finally an explanation very simple to understand! I too am a cruel and uncaring conservative that chooses to give to charities I feel are worthy of.

      Great write up!

    • moonlake profile image


      8 years ago from America

      Joe was sure giving you a bunch of bull.

      Our grown son was in a terrible accident. They had told us he was going to need all the help he could get once his insurance ran out and that he may have to be put in a home.(Their idea not ours. We planned to bring him home no matter the outcome.)

      The hospital had a long list of the help he could get. Help that wouldn't cost him anything. I said to them "Will he be taken care of as well as he is now with his insurance." Their answer "Oh, yes even better."


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