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Trump's Policy on Deportation and 2020 Census

Updated on July 12, 2019

Like middle of the road voters with a liberal tendency (but not always) there is a lot of discussion about the ICE raids and citizenship question on the 2020 census. I usually don't side with the right, but, this time I do.

ICE Raids

These are long overdue. There are over 11 million people who have overstayed their visa stay and are lost in the immigration system. There are thousands that received their deportation notice and did not leave voluntarily and reside in the shadows, working under the table or for employers who sympathize with them. Those are the people ICE is going after, along with any criminals found in the system. The issue about the collateral damage is one that may overreach the deportation order.

For example, if Jose Ramirez got a deportation notice and ignored it but has American born children, some think ICE is going to also deport them in a blanket sweep, or, are going to break up the family and send Jose back to his home country. In another scenario, perhaps both the mother and father are illegals and ignored deportation notices, will ICE deport just the parents and leave the American born kids? That would be the worse case scenario and one surely to ignite a lot of negative ICE coverage. But, what should ICE do? Ignore it and let them stay? Detain them until foster homes are found for the kids? Send the kids back also into a foreign country they know little about? That is what has already happened for some and the hardship is theirs to bear.

Of course, deportation orders are specific and target a single person, not those in the collateral circle. But, in the above same case, what if ICE finds out that Jose's wife is illegal BUT not named on the deportation order, do they ignore that for another day or take the wife without the deportation order?

As you can see, the ICE raids will be fine for single illegals here who got previous deportation orders and said FU. The sketchy thing revolves the family units with collateral illegals not noted in the deportation order. Will ICE be selective or just do a sweep of illegals?

What is the point of immigration law if its seldom enforced? Obama deported over 3 million, yet few bitched about it so loudly as they are now. Trump will deport a few thousand.

2020 Census

Having working in 2010 Census, the results are always questionable because there is no real penalty for lying. So, the 2020 Census is no different were Trump to win in having a U.S. citizenship question on the form. Some would would say yes when they were not, some would skip over the question. There is a lot of distrust when a Census worker comes to the door out of the blue and starts asking intrusive questions, like, how many are in the household, their names, birth dates, political affiliation and so on.

Many will not answer any questions as it IS optional despite what they say. In fact, in 2010, we knew most of the households in a defined area via voter registration, real estate records, etc. So, even if the person refused to answer, we had the information we tried to verify. Many times, the info was incorrect and needed to be corrected.

Finding out if one is citizen can be done in other ways, through birth records, immigration records and others. Trump is correct to say information found through records will be more accurate because people lie for a variety of reasons or refuse to say out of fear. But while it was not on the form in 2010, it was asked and it was also in the supplementary form.

The census data obtained can be used to redefine voting districts that favor a party, it is used for a variety of other reasons that are generally good for all. Either way, it is fine to know how many in the USA are citizens. Why not?


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    • perrya profile imageAUTHOR

      perrya 

      12 months ago

      They should have a work agricultural visa, limited for 90 days or so during harvest periods so workers can work for good wages and go back home. ICE should follow up with these visas to ensure they go home.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      Brad 

      12 months ago

      PerryA

      Nothing at all. These employers are the problem and they not the consumers or the tax payers are make the profit with their low pay. and the illegals can't complain because the employer could turn them over to ICE.

      And the immigration law and process should be followed on who gets into the country. Mike says we need these people, but if that were true they would be able to get legally into the country to work.

      Congresses wrote and massaged the immigration laws, but now they don't want to change it to make it better, and they challenge anything that the president can do with executive power.

      The new policy for seeking Asylum in the US is reasonable. They have over a million seeking asylum all reading in the process. But the process for the illegals at least for many is to claim asylum and once in the country they escape into the interior so they can't be deported when they the courts find their claim for asylum is fake.

      The new policy says that before they can claim asylum in the US they have to show they claimed asylum in countries that they passed on the way to the US. The reason is that asylum is to protect, not to country shop.

    • perrya profile imageAUTHOR

      perrya 

      12 months ago

      If an employer knowingly or not hires a person who is not here legally, even if they are needed to do labor in the US, the employer should be fined heavily and the person deported. What is wrong with this?

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      Brad 

      12 months ago

      Mike

      You are totally uninformed on this subject, please do some research if you want to argue those points.

      Did you even read this article by PerryA?

    • peoplepower73 profile image

      Mike Russo 

      12 months ago from Placentia California

      Brad: I don't know if legal immigrants are willing to do those types of jobs. I would venture to say that legal immigrants are better educated and earn more money than those jobs pay. I would like to see the stats on the comparison of legal and illegal immigrants their jobs and what they earn.

      You are calling them slaves, but they are not slaves. They are here on their own volition. How many migrant workers are criminals and gang members?

      Have you ever worked in the fields? I have and those people are too busy working with their families beside them to go out and commit crimes. The bosses even provide housing and schooling for the them.

      Tax payers are not paying for them just because the democrats run CA. Who pays for people that have no insurance, but constantly have to go to emergency rooms for care? We the tax payer do. What costs are higher, emergency room costs or Medicaid?

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      Brad 

      12 months ago

      Mike

      There are legal immigrants that do those jobs, and you know in CA we get fruit and vegetables from other countries including Mexico.

      The division of labor doesn't need illegals, and illegals are not cheaper labor for the people. They cost tens of billions of dollars for taxpayers in direct and indirect costs.

      Why are you supporting slavery? yes, by your own admission these people are getting paid very low salaries, and their master is their employer.

      Over 20 million illegals in this country, and why are they more important than legal immigrants going through the immigration process. Along with those illegals come criminals, gang members and when they get caught committing crimes in the US, they tie up the legal system, the justice system, the court system and the prison system.

      Illegals are not cheap labor for America, and we certainly don't want to support their slavery.

      And why should all the taxpayers in America have to pay for Medicaid for illegal aliens, just because the democrats run CA.

    • peoplepower73 profile image

      Mike Russo 

      12 months ago from Placentia California

      Brad: I think we do get the benefit of those undocumented people. They are a part of the labor force in California. If those people are ill, who is going to pick the fruit and vegetables you eat? Who is going to do the hotel/motel housekeeping, wash cars, and other types of domestic jobs? If they are not able to do those jobs, who is going to replace them? They are an integral part of our economy in California. It is called the division of labor.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      Brad 

      12 months ago

      Perry A

      Deportation is the end of the American legal process for Illegals. They are not undocumented, they are law breakers that came into the country illegally, or overstayed their visa.

      The problem with the companies that hire these illegals is a separate problem. They should also be held accountable. We the people don't get the benefit of illegals, but their employers do.

      And now in CA, the democrat gov Newsom has given illegals up to the age of 25 access to Medicaid, and that is a federal program with the states, that will cost not only CA taxpayers, but all taxpayers across the country. And the more illegals in CA the more that the feds have to contribute because it is based on the Average salary of the state. The illegals will pull that average down.

      Yet, CA doesn't nothing for the significant and very visible homeless.

    • perrya profile imageAUTHOR

      perrya 

      12 months ago

      @Mike- I agree but if they are subject to deportation because they failed in going to a hearing or whatever, that is there problem. I am more concerned about the collateral deportations that may happen when those associated with the person on the deportation order is taken, whoever they are. Also, ICE may use fear for search and seizure by flashing a deportation order for illegal search.

    • peoplepower73 profile image

      Mike Russo 

      12 months ago from Placentia California

      Perrya: I live in California where there is an undocumented work force of migrant workers who are hired by big commercial agriculture companies. They pick the fruits and vegetables in the San Joaquin Valley which is called the bread basket of the country.

      They do these jobs as family units and are paid very little by the farming industry. Further, there are housekeepers that work in hotels and motels and do domestic jobs that are also undocumented that also work for very little pay. There are also car wash workers that are undocumented and who are part of the labor force.

      My point is these people work for less than minimum wages and by removing them for the work force will have a huge impact on the economy.

      Granted there are others who can fill those jobs, but they are not going to work under those conditions and get paid almost nothing. It's a myth that they are taking jobs from others who would want them. Removing them will have a profound effect on the pricing of agricultural goods for all of us.

    • perrya profile imageAUTHOR

      perrya 

      12 months ago

      well, I have no quarrel with him on these.

    • Wesman Todd Shaw profile image

      Wesman Todd Shaw 

      12 months ago from Kaufman, Texas

      I thank God above for the brilliance of Donald Trump. He's going to take a better census without the census bureau. Overcoming destructive Obama era policies are the exact reason he was voted into office, and now that he is there, I see nothing but more and more reasons why he should be elected again.

      I'd happily vote Trump for a 3rd term. Our nation desperately needs his leadership for as long as possible, and if we're honest at all, he's been cheated out of much of his first term.

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      John R Wilsdon 

      12 months ago from Superior, Arizona

      No. Having non-citizens affecting the treasury and politics of the country is outrageously unfair. Without effective immigration policy we have no country. Being a fair country does not mean we tolerate illegal immigration. Migrants who come across the border illegally are not treating the U.S. fairly. They simply take advantage of a country's good will.

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