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Verdict on Trump: No Collusion but Obstruction?

Updated on March 25, 2019

For three weeks before Mueller's report arrived, the U.S. Attorney, Barr, was told by Mueller that he could not decide whether Trump is criminally liable for obstructing justice, in some manner. Barr also found out that Mueller cleared Trump that there was no evidence of collusion between Trump and the Russians. So, when all the VIPs were asked about if they knew of any conclusions Mueller had decided upon, they all lied about it because now we know Mueller had disclosed it to Barr and no doubt Trump, who appointed him, also found out.

The deceit and lies from this administration simply continue on a daily manner. Trump is just another "Nixon" in this regard, who was impeached nearly. Granted, no evidence of collusion was found involving Trump, per se, so he can rub this in all the Democrat faces, but there remains more battles within this war on Trump. They all deal with facets of his businesses and how they may benefit Trump. They deal with many questionable practices within the Trump orbit. These may or may not rise to being criminal, but you can be sure the Democrats in Congress will not let this man get away until every road and path has been gone down and fleshed out.

As many have said, this may be detrimental to the Democrats in the 2020 election because it could appear like a true witch hunt just like it was for the real thing in the Salem witchcraft hearings long ago. Whether Trump's seemingly obstruction in the past two years to derail Mueller and Comey's investigation rises to criminal levels or not, the next year will continue along this vein. It may prove to many voters in the middle to appear like bad blood among the Democrats and how they just hate the man, as a person and president.

Of course, should evidence start to show Trump's obstructive comments and actions did rise to meet the legal definition, even just a few of them, then, the pendulum could swing the Democrats way as a proving point. But the battle to have the full Mueller report made to the Congress and public still remains. Many have suspicions that the WH legal staff will be able to censor parts that are damaging to Trump, or that, Barr will do the same at the behest of Trump. There is just no trust between the Democrats and Republicans and that will only get worse.

Because Trump has lied so many times since 2016 and proven to give the public fake news or only part of the truth that benefits him, the seeds of distrust are now well rooted in many. The Republicans are rather scared to take on Trump and call him out about McCain, only a few were willing. Just what are they afraid of? Some kind of retribution from Trump, like a verbal bashing? Why are they so wimpy? Yet, privately, they dislike Trump, the man and personality but are afraid to publicly take him on.

Both parties have their far right or left fringe freaks, their devout, blind, followers. Both parties act in disgusting ways, at times, as do some of their followers. They both have their own agendas and say some vile things that prompt those fringe elements to kill. Most of these are from the far right fringe groups, but the left has their own also.

What America needs now is a third party for those who are in the middle of both the groups. Forcing the middle group to choose between the worse of two evils like in 2016, will only sow more chaos in America. Hopefully, this will not happen again in 2020 and that some Republicans will have the guts to run against Trump.

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    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      Brad 

      12 months ago

      "Mueller's investigation ended without any charges of ...

      [Search domain www.macombdaily.com/opinion/mueller-s-investigation-ended-without-any-charges-of-collusion-or/article_50cb7128-a2ab-5d3f-a935-5d4aebb7f5f0.html] https://www.macombdaily.com/opinion/mueller-s-inve...

      Mueller's investigation ended without any charges of collusion or conspiracy with Russia. ."

      It doesn't matter what Mueller said, and you keep forgetting that the Memo from Barr and Rosenstein said that it wasn't the any FBI policy on a sitting president that prevented Mueller from indicting president Trump for obstruction, it was that Mueller did have any evidence that could meet the burden of reasonable d

      "He said "... COULD NOT ESTABLISH ... CONSPIRACY" which means he HAD EVIDENCE of Collusion, just not enough to establish the crime of CONSPIRACY. Does the yelling help you understand the actual truth?"

      b:

      "In Order No. 3915-2017, Mueller was appointed with a specific mandate, to continue an investigation started by James Comey into Russian interference in the election:

      (a) Robert S. Mueller III is appointed t() serve as Specia] Counsel for the United States Department of Justice.

      (b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confinned by then-FBI Director James 8. Corney in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:

      (i) any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and

      (ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and

      (iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).

      (c) If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.

      At the March 20, 2017 hearing, Comey described the investigation as relating to election interference:

      As you know, our practice is not to confirm the existence of ongoing investigations, especially those investigations that involve classified matters, but in unusual circumstances where it is in the public interest, it may be appropriate to do so as Justice Department policies recognize. This is one of those circumstances.

      I have been authorized by the Department of Justice to confirm that the FBI, as part of our counterintelligence mission, is investigating the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election and that includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia’s efforts. As with any counterintelligence investigation, this will also include an assessment of whether any crimes were committed."

      B: The fact is that it is not important or relevant what Mueller made as an opinion, the fact is that he didn't indict because he didn't have evidence to convict. Say it anyway you want but that is the result.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      Brad 

      12 months ago

      Perry A

      You couldn't be talking to me?

    • perrya profile imageAUTHOR

      perrya 

      12 months ago

      The verdict is no collusion. That is it. To say there is no similarity to Nixon only tells me how blind many trump devotees are. They are just either ignorant of the facts or choose to ignore them.

    • perrya profile imageAUTHOR

      perrya 

      12 months ago

      Actually, there are plenty of similarities between Nixon and Trump, but of course, you would deny this. Trump and Nixon have similar personalities and views. Mueller said that Trump is not cleared of obstruction only of collusion. Mueller could not decide based on the evidence that it rose to a crime. He avoided the conclusion. The jury is still out. Now Trump tells us more bullshit about how the Republican party is a party of healthcare, when they have no replacement plan should they derail ACA. Trump is even going against WH advisors about this decision he made without much consultation.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      Brad 

      12 months ago

      Kathleen

      Mueller wrote the report unlike Perry A's article title, " Verdict on Trump: No Collusion but Obstruction?"

      First of all, there is no verdict, that is a term reserved for a jury. And no Grand Jury was impaneled for Trump. Second, there was no collusion and no obstruction in the report because no evidence was found, and no charges were made by Mueller.

      What we have is Mueller wording his failed investigation to give you liberals something to live for. And why are you quoting Nixon, there is no similarity.

      What the liberal, let us call them by their real name anti Trumpers have done in forcing four congressional investigations, and whatever Mueller was investigation is ironically the same as the investigations. That is it influenced the 2018 election. Mueller kept his investigation going up to an 5 months past the election for political advantage of the democrats,

      And now you liberals want to keep it going to influence the 2020 election. Hillary Clinton and the DNC created the Russian Influence, her Russian Dossier dragged Trump into it. The only Russian influence was the Russians in Russia that Steele got his information for the Dossier.

      Perry A

      Where is your response to my detailed comment?

      Of course you don't have to answer it, but why not if you believe your article.

    • Kathleen Cochran profile image

      Kathleen Cochran 

      12 months ago from Atlanta, Georgia

      Liberals, like me, know this is far from over. There are so many questions about Barr to start with and Trump to end with. As Trump likes to say, we'll see what happens. Nixon got re-elected by a landslide only to resign. We'll see ; ; ;

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      Brad 

      12 months ago

      Perry A

      That is just a distraction, and There is no potential obstruction.

      After four congressional investigations, and what ever Mueller was investigating, and three years later nothing.

      And what is the obstruction?

      If you want an example of obstruction, I suggest you look at Comey and his investigation of Hillary. That was classic obstruction.

    • perrya profile imageAUTHOR

      perrya 

      12 months ago

      Well, besides the still potential obstruction issue which Mueller left hanging, Trump now wants to remove all of the ADA, when previously, he only was willing to get rid parts of it. Good luck on that since the Republicans have no replacement plan ready to insert.

      There is nothing untrue about this president just presenting bullshit to the media unless it supports whatever position he is on at any given point. He lied about so many things, one loses track. But, at least he did not collude with the Russians in any premeditated or intentional way. Maybe as a fool, but that is not criminal.

      Still, the economy is looking great, I will give him credit for that.

    • Readmikenow profile image

      Readmikenow 

      12 months ago

      Perry A, liberals are going through the stages of loss. Everything they thought they knew is wrong. So, denial is the first stage. During this stage, I expect to continue seeing article and comments such as this. The last stage is acceptance, so, it may be some time in the future before liberals have enough mental stability to accept reality.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      Brad 

      12 months ago

      Perry A

      I have copied and pasted your entire article. I did this so there would be no ambiguity in my comments. You could del my comment, but why should you if you are confident in your article. I focused on the content of your article, but that didn't mean that I didn't comment when there were no facts presented to support them.

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      "For three weeks before Mueller's report arrived, the U.S. Attorney, Barr, was told by Mueller that he could not decide whether Trump is criminally liable for obstructing justice, in some manner. "

      B:

      Mueller was rejected by Trump for his old job as FBI director right before he was appointed by Rod Rosenstein as special counsel.

      Three issues.

      1, Don't you think that Mueller should have declined the appointment because he was rejected by Trump for FBI director. Isn't that a classical reason for conflict of interest.

      2. Rod Rosenstein fired James Comey. Comey and Mueller met just before Comey was to testify before congress after he was fired.

      3. What obstruction of justice are we talking about here.

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      Barr also found out that Mueller cleared Trump that there was no evidence of collusion between Trump and the Russians.

      B:

      Rod Rosenstein already did that last year when they investigated the 13 Russians blamed by Mueller. Rosenstein said that the Russians didn't have any impact on the election, and No Americans were involved with them.

      --------------------------------------------

      So, when all the VIPs were asked about if they knew of any conclusions Mueller had decided upon, they all lied about it because now we know Mueller had disclosed it to Barr and no doubt Trump, who appointed him, also found out.

      B:

      Remember, the Mueller was looking for Russian Trump collusion to influence the election. He didn't find any because there wasn't any.

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      The deceit and lies from this administration simply continue on a daily manner.

      B:

      This is a wild unsupported, unfounded, false accusation.

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      Trump is just another "Nixon" in this regard, who was impeached nearly. Granted, no evidence of collusion was found involving Trump, per se, so he can rub this in all the Democrat faces, but there remains more battles within this war on Trump.

      B:

      Sorry, but this is not coherent. Who is warring on president Trump, and for what?

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      They all deal with facets of his businesses and how they may benefit Trump. They deal with many questionable practices within the Trump orbit. These may or may not rise to being criminal, but you can be sure the Democrats in Congress will not let this man get away until every road and path has been gone down and fleshed out.

      B:

      Again, this is just a wild accusation that is fuel by democrat hatred against Trump for beating Hillary. The democrat let Hillary escape prison, but that is OK because she was a democrat.

      ---------------------------------------------

      As many have said, this may be detrimental to the Democrats in the 2020 election because it could appear like a true witch hunt just like it was for the real thing in the Salem witchcraft hearings long ago.

      B:

      This is more than a witch hunt.

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      Whether Trump's seemingly obstruction in the past two years to derail Mueller and Comey's investigation rises to criminal levels or not,

      B:

      What obstruction? It is really Comey and Mueller that need investigation. Mueller and Comey conspired to get Mueller appointed special counsel, and he should have been disqualified for conflict of interest.

      Again, what Obstruction are we talking about, be specific?

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      the next year will continue along this vein. It may prove to many voters in the middle to appear like bad blood among the Democrats and how they just hate the man, as a person and president.

      B:

      The democrats haven't done their job since Trump won the election. They then boasted that they would resist him and the republicans, and they did that, and continue to do that.

      It was the democrats and not Trump that shutdown the government in January over a $5 Billion item for the wall, and that was on a $4.4 Trillion budget. They have block his wall request, even thought they were only partial not the full price. They made it clear they didn't want Trump to make his campaign promises, at all costs.

      --------------------------------------------------

      Of course, should evidence start to show Trump's obstructive comments and actions did rise to meet the legal definition, even just a few of them, then, the pendulum could swing the Democrats way as a proving point.

      B:

      Again, with this vague, and ambiguous obstruction.

      Comey is the one that obstructed justice in the Hillary Clinton investigation and he also changed the wording of the code to allow Hillary to stay out of prison.

      --------------------------------------------------

      But the battle to have the full Mueller report made to the Congress and public still remains. Many have suspicions that the WH legal staff will be able to censor parts that are damaging to Trump, or that, Barr will do the same at the behest of Trump. There is just no trust between the Democrats and Republicans and that will only get worse.

      B:

      I hope that we get to see every letter, and every punctuation on the million of dollars spent by Mueller and coming up empty.

      ---------------------------------------------------

      Because Trump has lied so many times since 2016 and proven to give the public fake news or only part of the truth that benefits him, the seeds of distrust are now well rooted in many.

      B:

      The only thing that is well rooted in the democrats is their hatred of Trump for beating Hillary.

      ---------------------------------------------------

      The Republicans are rather scared to take on Trump and call him out about McCain, only a few were willing. Just what are they afraid of? Some kind of retribution from Trump, like a verbal bashing? Why are they so wimpy? Yet, privately, they dislike Trump, the man and personality but are afraid to publicly take him on.

      B:

      I agree that all the democrats and many of the republicans don't like Trump. But the reason is that he isn't responsible for what they did to the country before he became president. He inherited it, he didn't create it. And they are worried the he won't protect them for what they did and their failure to work for the country and the people.

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      Both parties have their far right or left fringe freaks, their devout, blind, followers. Both parties act in disgusting ways, at times, as do some of their followers. They both have their own agendas and say some vile things that prompt those fringe elements to kill. Most of these are from the far right fringe groups, but the left has their own also.

      B:

      The left has shown that these are their only skills.

      The right has shown how well they can play dead dog to the democrats.

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      What America needs now is a third party for those who are in the middle of both the groups. Forcing the middle group to choose between the worse of two evils like in 2016, will only sow more chaos in America. Hopefully, this will not happen again in 2020 and that some Republicans will have the guts to run against Trump.

      B:

      The republicans didn't have guts to take on the democrats, what are the odds they will go up against Trump. As far as McCain the worst of two evils was in 2008, and I wouldn't want to live on the difference. McCain was not a Rino, he was a true blue democrat. He was filled with all the hatred of a Maxine Waters.

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