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What Is It About Food Stamps - Social Security & Medicare that the Tea Party/GOP Hates? (Update)

Updated on January 20, 2017
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Shyron is a retired Customer Service Rep. for Verizon. Colleges attended: Triton, Melrose Park, Illinois and Elgin, in Elgin, Illinois.

The G.O.P./Tea Party believe that people on Food Stamps are Lazy and Slothful! The picture on the stamp is my Great Grandmother and the baby is my cousin.
The G.O.P./Tea Party believe that people on Food Stamps are Lazy and Slothful! The picture on the stamp is my Great Grandmother and the baby is my cousin. | Source

Kick the debt ceiling can down the road

"Avoiding an economic shutdown with President Obama the House on Wednesday passed legislation to eliminate the nation’s statutory borrowing limit until May, without including the dollar-for-dollar spending cuts that Republicans once insisted would have to be part of the debt limit bill." _____ Source: The New York Times in an article by Jonathan Weisman

The debt ceiling is currently suspended until May 19, 2013. Is this can being kicked down the road to give the G.O.P./Tea Party more time to work on destroying Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, which I believe has been their goal from the time of the beginning of each of these programs?

Deficit:

Our Republican Congress is hiding the fact that:

1. Congress raised the Debt Ceiling 18 times under President Reagan!

2. Congress raised the Debt Ceiling 7 times under George W. Bush.

3. President Obama slowed spending to a level lower than it has been in 50 years and cut the deficit.

When can "We the People" of the United States vote these Tea Party people out of the Senate and Congress?

I keep wondering why G.O.P. (Greedy Old Politicians) would destroy Social Security

From the state of the Union speech 2/12/2013, I am reminded of the joke that Eugene Robinson told on The Alex Wagner’s show, after the President's speech.

Eugene said

“Two dogs (republicans) sitting in a bar, one said to the other, ‘It is not enough that we succeed! Cats (democrats) must fail."

And I am thinking that must be it! That is the mindset of the Republicans in general and the Tea Baggers in particular.


Why do conservatives hate Social Security?

Do conservatives just hate the word social? Do they associate social with socialist/liberal (i.e. Social Security)?

Or is it security that they hate? They don’t want anyone to have security but themselves?

A fellow hubber said that Social Security was not for the benefit of the poor and elderly. It was intended to go into the general fund.

“I would suggest this hubber go to the History of Social Security. Franklin D. Roosevelt Promised retired Americans freedom from poverty-ridden old age when he created the Social Security system in August 1935, a three-part program of old-age security consisting of old-age welfare pensions; compulsory contributory social insurance (i.e. Social Security,) and a third-tier which would consist of optional annuity certificates to monthly annuities which would be used as supplements to their basic Social Security retirement benefit. This third program was among the features of the President’s proposals which the Congress did not accept. “

No wonder conservatives did not care when GWB Raided Social Security surplus to fund his private war to carry out his vendetta against IRAQ.


Stock Market Crash Update September 17,2008

What if Social Security had been Privatized before the crash of 2008?

What if Social Security had been privatized before the crash of 2008?

And you were handling your own investments, then the Stock Market Crashes.

Would you have lost $$$?

And, who would you blame for your loss?

Not a Piggy Bank!

Another argument the G.O.P. uses to undermine the excellently run program is to implant the idea that fewer active workers now support a growing number of retires.

Linda Silva in the Dallas Morning News made the case that today’s workers produce more than four times as much wealth as they did before records were kept, and can easily support the right to retire. And there are more workers in today’s work force than ever before.

Republicans continue to proclaim that Social Security needs to be reformed. (they mean privatized or eviscerated.) They say how today's 65-year-olds won’t get back what they contributed.

As Linda Silva, of Arlington, Texas stated, “Social Security is and always has been an insurance program, not a piggy bank.”

If all people received equal amounts or more than they put into insurance programs, insurance companies would go broke. Or the Insurance company premiums would be so high that only the filthy rich could afford insurance.

Come to think of it, if the Greedy Old Politicians (G.O.P.) are allowed to eliminate Social Security, private insurance premiums will be unaffordable for the poor and middle class.

These people would ‘PRIVATIZE’ or ‘eviscerate’ the government’s handling of Social Security, just so they can hand it over to private insurance companies.

The reality: even if, it were true, which it is not. No insurance company could run Social Security as efficiently or effectively as our government run program.

Where are the Republican voters?

Where are the voters who are voting for these politicians who want to destroy or privatize Social Security? We all know that is the number one (1) target of the G.O.P./tea party.

But why? If they do eliminate Social Security, are they still going to take the tax for it out of people's wages and, if they do where is that money going to go??? Into their pockets???

What about you republican voters who are retired or getting ready to retire?

Did you claim Social Security? Are you rich enough that you don't need that check? If you don't need that Social Security check coming in every month, even though you paid your FICA tax, you will not be forced to sign-up for it, but don't VOTE to take it away from people who need it just to live, we also paid into it!


"Why is it that if you take advantage of a corporate tax break you're a smart businessman, but if you take advantage of something so you don't go hungry, you're a moocher?"

— John Stewart

Food Stamps

The G.O.P./Tea Party politicians have demonstrated a hatred for ALL people on Food Stamps, calling them lazy and slothful. Or is the hatred demonstration a PLOY to turn over these programs to PRIVATE/PIRATE corporations?

Would you also take away Food Stamps, from children and the elderly, just because you never wanted for anything in your life and have no idea what these people are going through? Or is it because, you were never hungry, never without money for the bare necessities, never without a place to live?

Their favorit things to cut.
Their favorit things to cut. | Source

UPDATE: Republican Who Cut S.N.A.P Caught Fliying & Dining On Taxpayer Dime

Republican Who Cut S.N.A.P Caught Fliying & Dining On Taxpayer Dime
Republican Who Cut S.N.A.P Caught Fliying & Dining On Taxpayer Dime | Source

Update - Cut more food stamps

Congressman Steve Pearce who voted to cut the S.N.A.P. program has got HIS priorities straight. Yes! We all need them. That's the American thing to do. Get your priorities straight. Well Mr. Pearce has his straight and his priorities are to CUT 'Food Stamps' for children (SNAP) so we can afford for Mr. Pearce to fly and dine on our tax dollars. When can we vote Mr. Pearce out of office???

Cut food stamps for 900,000 of our military. One does not simply cut food stamps 900.000 veterans and then simply say they support veterans.

Luke 16:19-21

This says it all!

If they don't benefit from it, they cut it!
If they don't benefit from it, they cut it! | Source

Paul Ryan in Denial

March 10th 2013 - Paul Ryan in regards to the Republican budget told Chris Wallace the Republicans are going to repeal Obamacare.

Repeal Obamacare, Chris Wallace asked.

Ryan replied 'yes.'

Chris Wallace: "Well, that's not going to happen."

The U.S. Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the Affordable Care Act with the "individual mandate."

Chris Wallace then, asked Ryan about his proposal to devastate Medicare, converting it to a renamed 'premium support system' from a voucher system.

Ryan: "I don't have to tell you that this was a big issue in the campaign, between Romney/Ryan versus Obama/Biden -- They think they won and they thing that's one of the reasons they won -- and there are, congressman, a lot of independent studies that say, if you put this in effect, the net effect will be that seniors will have to pay more of the share of their health care costs."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OaPcjjStIAo


Do you think that seniors save their Social Security Checks?

If you think that seniors save their Social Security Checks? Then you are at a Tea Party.

All Social Security receipants spend their their Social Security Checks, just to survive. Isn't that putting the monies back into the economy?



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      Howard Schneider 4 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey

      All of the shenanigans that the GOP and Tea Party are pulling is to destroy our social safety net. None of them are aiming at the corporate welfare that we fund to large corporations such as Big Oil. These groups are funded by Big Business and they are their mouthpieces. Voting for Republicans is voting against yourself. Unless you are wealthy. Excellent Hub, Shyron.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you HSchneider, appreciate your comments, and you are absolutely right.

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      bulldogrocks 4 years ago from Colorado

      Well after reading your article I'm saddened that you think all Republicans are trying to destroy everything when Obama has done more damage to this country than any other Presidents before him. Congress on both sides only care about themselves and not the American people. I'm a proud independent who is also a military Veteran and will continue to be a conservative.

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      C E Clark 4 years ago from North Texas

      No one has ever put the entire world's economy into such a tailspin heading straight down the commode as badly as the George W. Bush Administration.

      Only people who have been lucky to be unaffected imagine any president was worse than him, unless maybe it was Hoover? I think this depression is worse because it is the silent depression where people living in tents, cars, and under bridges all across this nation are ignored and many people pretend they don't exist.

      Do you know it is even illegal to be poor these days and you can be put in jail for being poor? Wonder who the mean spirited heartless people are who thought that up . . .

      Voted up and awesome.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Au fait for your comment and votes.

      I agree with you and your insite into the state of our country.

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      C E Clark 4 years ago from North Texas

      The problem with Social Security is that the surplus that was in that fund for so long was spent on other unfunded programs and now the surplus is gone. Instead of paying SS back, many members of Congress want to cut benefits. Politicians can't stand it when there is money just sitting somewhere -- they have to get their hands on it and try to figure out a way to get it for themselves. To keep SS as it is or used to be, the fund would have to be paid back and some Congressmen/women don't want to do that.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Au fait, you are so right, I meant Correct.

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      johnwindbell 4 years ago from - the land of beards and buggies

      Enjoyed your Hub, Shyron, but I cringed when you put the GOP with the tea party as if they are brothers of the same family, same pew. NOT. The tea party was cool for awhile, until the GOP/RINOs called it theirs, for the votes. Then when they endorsed, if they really did I'm not sure, the Romney dick over Ron Paul. It's like the Taliban endorsing the Pope and his cult.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you John for reading and commenting on my hub. I have a hard time differentiating between the GOP and tea party, I know Eric Cantor, Mitch McConnell are tea bags and I really thing John Boehner is also.

      But, I do appreciate your comments.

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      C E Clark 4 years ago from North Texas

      There is no appreciable difference between the Tea Party and the Republican Party. The Republicans have embraced the Tea Party -- to get votes as someone here said recently -- and whatever the reason, Tea Baggers and Republicans seem to see eye to eye on everything. That's what's keeping our Congress from getting anything done. All the Tea Baggers who have infiltrated (with permission from the GOP) the Republican Party.

      Tea Baggers are ultra conservatives and all but always vote Republican. Republicans loved them 'til they realized Tea Baggers are destroying the Republican Party. Hindsight and all that . . .

      If it waddles and quacks like a duck, well, guess what?? If a Party can't' control the varmint they let loose, maybe they shouldn't have let it loose? Funny, Republicans were all warm and fuzzy towards Tea Baggers when they thought things were going their way. Tea Baggers haven't changed, so what's the difference between back then and now?

      Good issues being raised in this hub.

      Sorry it's taken me so long to address my comments, but work takes every bit of time during the week and every bit of energy -- and now I'm sicker n' a dog with chills and the whole 9 yards (for the last 4 days actually). Been in bed most of the day and now trying to stay warm while I try to get to at least a few comments.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Au fait. I am saying prayers for you and sure hope you feel better soon. I was wondering if you were sick. Please take care of yourself.

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      C E Clark 4 years ago from North Texas

      Tea Baggers hate that anyone is getting something at no cost and they hate paying taxes to pay for that something. Of course there is cost because nothing is free.

      Everyone has paid into our safety net programs if they've ever worked and paid taxes. Those programs would be just as helpful to the Tea Baggers if they ever need them, but they don't think they'll ever need them.

      A lot of people are living in tents this very minute and homeless -- people who never thought that could happen to them. Expect if they ever complained about Food Stamps they aren't complaining about them now . . .

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Au fait for stopping by and leaving a comment. You are right about the tea bags. You can bet that any sympathizer who has reached retirement age did not turn down their Social Security check.

      I have worked from age 14 and paid FICA tax from age 18. And the Tea Baggers would be singing a different tune if they were homeless.

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      C E Clark 4 years ago from North Texas

      I've read that there are going to be huge cuts to the Food Stamp program and compared to the defense budget, the biggest part of the U.S. budget, the Food Stamp program is about the same as a person going to the grocery store and buying $100 of groceries, and out of that $100, $1 is for charity. With jobs still so scarce and so many people unable to find a good paying job when they can find one at all, this is really not the time to be cutting social programs.

      Not a single banker who stole so much money has been brought to justice. Not one, and together they stole more than 7 Trillion dollars and devastated the world economy. Instead poor people, poor because of the 2008 crash through no fault of their own, are being punished even more instead. Will pin this hub.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Au fait, thank you for your comments, you are so right and these people who are cutting food stamps, it is because they will not benefit from them, and by 2016 the only thing Americans will remember is that this program was cut during President Obama's term. And they will vote for republicans.

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      C E Clark 4 years ago from North Texas

      Major cuts to Food Stamps and Medicaid are about to go into effect this coming fall. Many of the working poor will find no relief with ObamaCare because their state is refusing to expand Medicaid. The wealthy and the elderly can get healthcare, and the very poor can get healthcare, but those people caught in the middle who are the working poor do not qualify for any kind of healthcare assistance and so they go without.

      Sharing this hub.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Au fait thank you again for stopping by, your comments and sharing, I hope you know how much I appreciate you.

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      Sanxuary 4 years ago

      With half of America working part time and for low pay, hell I dare them to cut all assistance. I give it less then three months before they get thrown out of office. I double dog dare them to end Social Security after we have paid into it for years. I really wonder why anyone votes for these people. A bunch of rich Corporate bought snobs who think they are invincible. People with nothing and a lot of time to starve to death is a bad combination.

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Sanxuary, thank you for your comments. You are right, I just wonder if Congressmen and Senators are impeached do they still get their High dollar benefit package. And if the don't are they going to try to collect Social Security.

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      Aunt Jimi 3 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      Sanxuary makes a good point. People with nothing left to lose can be dangerous.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Aunt Jimi, I absolutely agree with you and Sanxuary. It could turn a lot of good people into an angry mob PDQ.

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      Jen 3 years ago

      I've heard that before about what Jon Stewart said about taking advantage of corporate welfare being smart, but taking food stamps means you are a moocher. People don't think things through very well do they?

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Jen for your comment, I really appreciate you input in this.

      I can't understand why people don't know they could be impacted by having food stamps cut.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      All Social Security receipants spend their their Social Security Checks, just to survive. I do!

      Isn't that putting the money back into the economy?

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      Jaye Denman 3 years ago from Deep South, USA

      I think the more conservative Republicans are trying to distance themselves from the Tea Party group now that polls show the GOP is taking a beating because of the tea baggers. Here's an article from online Bloomberg that explains why: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-15/boehner-t...

      Shyron, I'm glad you mentioned that George W. Bush started the Iraq war as a personal vendetta. His allegations about Saddam Hussein's ties to al-Qaeda and weapons-of-mass-destruction programs were thoroughly discredited and his real reason for involving the U.S. in this unwinnable war of aggression exposed. In a September 2002 speech, Dubya said, ''After all, this is the guy who tried to kill my dad.''

      Personal revenge was the motive for a war that killed an estimated 164,000 people (40,000 military and 124,000 civilians, per the organization Iraq Body Count). Yet, recent headlines show that Al Queida is again taking control of the country since the withdrawal of U.S. troops. While I feel compassion for the Iraqi citizens who suffer under these cruel terrorists, the U.S. cannot police the entire world. There are just too many extremists and terrorists, especially in the Middle East and Africa.

      As for Social Security, Medicaid, Food Stamps, etc. I sign every petition that comes my way telling Congress and the president to keep their hands off! However, unless Democrats gain complete control of the House as well as the Senate, these programs aren't safe from the "rich, white ol' boys' GOP club."

      Voted Up, Useful, Awesome and Interesting

      Jaye

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Jaye, thank you for your comment and for the link, the up votes and most of all your friendship. I really appreciate you.

      Yes the Good Old Boys of the GOP, in their lust for money and quest for power, seek to destroy our country. And writing hubs like this is my way of trying to make everyone aware of what we are facing.

      In the case of GWB! If a poor military man went AWOL during time of war (Vietnam), I believe he would have been tried for treason.

      I still think the book 'It's Still the Economy Stupid' should be required reading, by anyone who wants to know the unfairness and inequality of the filthy rich and middle class and the poor of our country.

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      Jaye Denman 3 years ago from Deep South, USA

      That book is in one of my bookcases, Shyron, right next to the other Begalo book about Dubya, "Is Our Children Learning?" Both books are strong indictments against George W. Bush's performance as president. He inherited a budget surplus from the Clinton administration, which he completely squandered and "led" this country into an economic downturn that widened the gap between the "haves" and the "have-nots." Anyone who says the U.S. is a classless society is naïve. The classes are: (1) the elite 1% incredibly wealthy, and (2) the rest of us.

      I'd better not get wound up about George W. Bush, or I'll be here all day!

      Jaye

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      Jaye Denman 3 years ago from Deep South, USA

      One more comment and then I'll stop--I promise! Haha.

      FDR is one of my all-time heroes because, although he came from a wealthy background, he was a compassionate leader who cared about people who had less and wanted to help them. He was hated by the wealthy, who called him a "traitor to his class", but FDR didn't let their animosity stop him from doing what was right for "the rest of us."

      We need more FDRs in government today!

      Jaye

      P.S. I just read a local blog about how the Tea Party is increasing in my state. Made me feel ill....

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Please don't stop Jaye, we need more people who speak up for what is right in our country. Elections are coming soon, I just hope no one forgets who is responsible for this.

      Thank you again for your comment, and thank you for caring.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      I know what you mean about getting wound up. Many years ago I heard on a radio talk show about GWB, before I knew who he was/is and about the ben-Laden family connection. The next day that talk show host was fired. But from that day on I did research -- and here I am getting wound up.

      Thank you Jaye for your comments.

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      C E Clark 3 years ago from North Texas

      This is an important subject. Do you know that when Congress recently cut 40 BILLION dollars from the SNAP or food stamp program more than 900,000 veterans were and are among the people who will no longer receive them?

      Voted up, BAUI, and sharing again!

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Au fait for you comment, up votes and sharing.

      Yes I heard that veterans families who are on food stamps are having them cut, plus other veteran benefits. I guess this is one of the ways the GOP (i.e. Greedy OLD Politicians) is going to make government smaller, is to whittle away at our military (a government entity) until it is gone.

      Then these TeaParty going GOP will shut down Social Security (a government run program, NOT Government funded). I just wonder who it will be privatized to, Mr. Romney's Raiders?

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      Levertis Steele 3 years ago from Southern Clime

      Money that funds food stamps, Social Security, and Medicare, for example, does not stop with the recipients! The issuance of these benefits begins a domino effect that cascades over many "pockets" into infinity. I am not an expert on how money works, but I believe most of us know that the first recipients of these programs are not at the end of the receiving line. Let's take a realistic view of a few scenarios involving ONE person:

      Scenario 1

      65-year old "Alice" uses her Social Security check to pay her house note, insurance, utilities, $10.00 lottery tickets (:D), gas for her van, and granddaughter's piano lessons.

      Scenario 2

      She uses all of her food stamps at the local market to supply herself groceries for a month. She buys seasonal plants and seeds to supply her small garden that supplements her meals. She also has to buy compost, topsoil, and a few other soil amendments.

      Scenario 3

      Amy was hospitalized for four days last week (Medicare) and has an appointment to have her remaining teeth pulled and replaced with dentures (Medicare).

      How many businesses benefit from Amy's combined government "income"? I cannot count them! How many businesses benefit from her hospitalization alone? That is complicated. We know that Amy does other things, too. She needs shoes, clothes, and many other things. It is a complicated task for me to spend just a few minutes to list all of Amy's activities across a period of even a few months.

      So, more than the first recipients will be heavily affected by the cutting of these programs. The first recipients, the targeted "enemies," will never get rich off these programs, but the businesses and persons in line to receive from them will be nothing less than millionaires and billionaires.

      Maybe I lack understanding—I do not mind being made wiser—but, if I am wrong, just how will cuts affect these businesses and persons named? Last, more than the poor and middle class are receiving the benefits of these programs, but only the former are downsized. Amazing!

      I fail to see the difference between Social Security and insurance. My monthly social security deduction was one of my greatest bills. Should I be embarrassed to receive a small portion of what I helped to build for over forty years? No. Medicare was also deducted from my income. Too many people have put their money into other places only to learn at retirement that they have been scammed. It happened to my uncle and brother-in-law who worked and contributed for more than forty years. Now, they are in their seventies and must work to earn a living for themselves and their wives.

      I have mixed feelings about some government programs, but I do believe that some valuable lessons will be learned from the outcome of all of this. The Great Depression was one such lesson. Once wealthy people were reduced to standing in breadlines hoping for an extra loaf to feed their families. I do not grudge the honest and fair wealthy, but some people need some rude lessons in order to grow. There is a greater One than man waiting to teach stiff lessons to all people who need them—wealthy, middle class, or poor.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Levertis for commenting on my hub, but, I am having a hard time understand your comments.

      So let us go over your comments in Brackets.

      · Your comment: [Money that funds food stamps, Social Security, and Medicare, for example, does not stop with the recipients! The issuance of these benefits begins a domino effect that cascades over many "pockets" into infinity. I am not an expert on how money works, but I believe most of us know that the first recipients of these programs are not at the end of the receiving line. Let's take a realistic view of a few scenarios involving ONE person:]

      Do you assume that food stamps, Social Security and Medicare are all funded by the government? So let us go over this.

      Food Stamps: The SNAP/Food Stamp Program is the largest nutrition assistance program administered by the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA). The goal of the program is “to alleviate hunger and malnutrition … by increasing food purchasing power for all 'ELIGIBLE' households who apply for participation” as stated in the Food Stamp Act of 1977, as amended (P.L. 108-269). The program provides monthly benefits to eligible low-income families which can be used to purchase food, in all 50 states, DC, and Puerto Rico .

      The federal government pays 100 percent of SNAP/Food Stamp program benefits. Federal and State governments share administrative costs (with the federal government contributing nearly 50 percent).

      Every 5 years, the SNAP/Food Stamp program is reauthorized by Congress as part of the Farm Bill. The reauthorization establishes who is eligible for SNAP/food Stamps and addresses program access, benefit levels, and other matters.

      Levertis, I personally know a person who has no income, no home and many medical problems and she does not qualify for Food Stamps, Medicare, Social Security, or Medicaid. They told her to get a job.

      Social Security: This program is funded by FICA tax (Federal Insurance Contributions Act (FICA) tax) Federal payroll (or employment) tax imposed on both employees and employers to fund Social Security and Medicare. — This federal government MANAGED programs provide benefits for retirees, the disabled, and children of deceased workers. Social Security benefits include old-age, survivors, and disability insurance (OASDI); Medicare provides hospital insurance benefits for the elderly. The amount that one pays in payroll taxes throughout one's working career is associated indirectly with the social security benefits annuity that one receives as a retiree. This has caused some to claim that the payroll tax is not a tax because its collection is tied to a benefit.

      · Your Comment [Scenario 1 65-year old "Alice" uses her Social Security check to pay her house note, insurance, utilities, $10.00 lottery tickets (:D), gas for her van, and granddaughter's piano lessons.]

      I don’t know about your Alice or where you got your information. I can only tell you that my mother was on SS (Social Security), because she earned it from having paid into it for all her working life. Her SS was at least $200. less than her house note. She did not qualify for Food Stamps. And the only time she got lottery tickets was when I or my brothers bought them for her.

      · Your Comment [Scenario 2 She uses all of her food stamps at the local market to supply herself groceries for a month. She buys seasonal plants and seeds to supply her small garden that supplements her meals. She also has to buy compost, topsoil, and a few other soil amendments].

      Again, I don’t know where you got your information, but I can tell you that Food Stamps will not feed one person for one week, much less a month.

      · Your comment [Scenario 3 Amy was hospitalized for four days last week (Medicare) and has an appointment to have her remaining teeth pulled and replaced with dentures (Medicare)].

      Do you think that Medicare is free. Medicare takes you premiums from your Social Security Check before you even get it. There are limits on how much doctors and hospitals can charge you, if you are on Medicare, then Medicare pays 80% of what the doctors and hospitals charge. You are responsible for the 20% Medicare did not pay. If you pay for a supplemental Insurance, that company will pay the 20%. If Medicare says that whatever you went to the doctor for, was unnecessary, then you are responsible for 100% of the bill and in that case the doctor/hospital can charge without any limits. If Medicare does not pay, supplemental does not have to pay either. Medicare does not pay for dental!

      · Your comment [How many businesses benefit from Amy's combined government "income"? I cannot count them! How many businesses benefit from her hospitalization alone? That is complicated. We know that Amy does other things, too. She needs shoes, clothes, and many other things. It is a complicated task for me to spend just a few minutes to list all of Amy's activities across a period of even a few months].

      What income? If amy receives Social Security that would be her only income. Medicare pays doctors, and hospitals directly. Medicare does not send money to anyone. How Amy spends her Social Security is no one's business but her own.

      More to come.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Update: Republican Who Cut S.N.A.P Caught Fliying & Dining On Taxpayer Dime

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      C E Clark 3 years ago from North Texas

      Seems Obama is signing a bill into law in Michigan that will cut 80 million $ from the food stamp program over and above the cuts made last year in Oct/Nov. I'm wondering if he is now becoming a Republican. I have long said all of our politicians are in it for themselves and not a single one gives a damn about the people they're supposed to represent. They play off each other to make it look like this one's fault and then that one's fault, but really it's all of their faults that our economy is in the commode.

      Pinterest has apparently been resolved. Mine is working. Pinning this to Awesome HP, and voted up, AUI! Sharing.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Au fait, I am so upset about the cutting of food stamps, Obama does not have to worry about not being re-elected so he just does what the Greedy Old Pr***s want. Guess he wants to grab whatever he can while he can.

      Thank you for the votes, sharing and pinning. I appreciate you.

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      My Esoteric 3 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      I don't think the cuts are over and above, but in place of. When the Law expired last year, it went back to an old formula that reduced food stamps, much to the delight of Conservatives.

      Keep in mind, the Democrats of the Senate went along with the current Law and much of the "cuts" had to do with a change in the formula to States who cheated on their own contributions.

      Another great Hub, Shyron.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      My Esoteric, thank you for explaining this to make it clear. I shudder when I hear cuts. I think of the Conservatives causing the President to make deeper cuts than need be, and it seems like no one cares, as long as it does not have an effect on their life.

      I know about the states cheating on their own contributions. This state is the reddest of the red states.

      Thank you for the comments and the compliment.

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      Kathleen Cochran 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

      Does anybody else remember those $600 checks we all got as soon as George W. Bush became president? Heaven forbid we should have a surplus - and that's the last time we had one. I remember my aunts and uncles saying, "I remember who made me hungry during the Great Depression and I remember who fed me." I remember too.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Kathleen, for you comments.

      George W. Bush, could not wait to get rid of all surplus, and play toy sholdiers with our young men and women.

      And when he sent out those checks, it was like when he stood on the deck of the ship, with the sign saying "Mission Accomplished," and handing was like he was saying, "see, see what a great man I am, now you can just live on that for the rest of your life."

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      C E Clark 3 years ago from North Texas

      While I agree as already stated that Democrats & Republicans are both conniving to harm the poor while sitting in their cushy offices collecting salaries of 172,000 to 225,000 or more paid for the most part by the working poor, which they do hardly anything to earn, I have to say that these current food stamp cuts are an addition to those made last Oct.

      I say the working poor are paying most of Congress's wages because the wealthy pay all but nothing and the middle class has shrunk so badly no one can find it anymore.

      Boston Globe

      http://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyle/food-dining/2...

      Food insecurity has been exacerbated most recently by $5 billion in cuts to Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program benefits, formerly known as food stamps, which took effect last November. Additional cuts of $8.6 billion over 10 years were recently approved by Congress as part of the new Farm Bill (it’s awaiting Senate approval).

      Mother Jones

      http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/01/republ...

      And yet, despite the $5 billion in cuts that already happened [Oct. 2013] and the guarantee of $6 billion more, Republicans succeeded in getting their Democratic peers to cut food stamps further. This is the first time in history that a Democratic Senate has even proposed cutting the program. Now the upper chamber is expected to pass cuts twice the level it approved last year.

      CNN

      http://money.cnn.com/2014/02/04/news/economy/food-...

      The House had already passed the nearly $1 trillion farm bill that will set agriculture policy for the next five years. President Obama has said he would sign it into law.

      The bill could be passed before the spring planting season. That's significant because farmers need to know early how it might affect prices and what to expect for their corn, wheat or tobacco yields.

      Can you believe Congress with their own cushy paychecks have cut food stamps to poor people in order to subsidize the tobacco industry? Yes, they have!

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      Pollyannalana 3 years ago from US

      I am a former democrat not quite republican but I can see the concern with food stamps and something the republicans cannot bring up is the fact we are feeding half of Mexico with them (or getting close) and many are in abuse there also not even used for food by the recipient, just selling them. This is money out of your and my pocket and if it is not out of your pocket then pretend it is and look at it that way.

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      My Esoteric 3 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Do you have hard data from reliable sources on that @Pollyannalana, if so, I would like to peruse it.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Au fait, I really appreciate your research on this matter, which I will read as soon as time permits, It is that time of year again, to find out how much we pay or get back from income tax.

      Thank you for all you do and thank you for being you.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Pollyannalana, for sharing your beliefs with us. I like my friend My Esoteric would really like to see, the evidence of which you speak, where WE are feeding half of Mexico. When you find it, please let me know so that I may update this hub to reflect that.

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      Aunt Jimi 3 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      Was just reading some of the comments and thought I'd check out the Mexican connection. This is what I found:

      I thought what I read here about sending food stamps to Mexico sounded a little too Republican to be true, but with very little effort I discovered it is either true or about to be true! Well, in part anyway.

      We aren't sending food stamps to Mexico, but we are sponsoring advertising there that promotes our food stamp program to Mexicans who come here illegally -- essentially encouraging them to come here illegally because when they get here they can get food stamps regardless, yes regardless of need. Even if by some miracle they find jobs here as illegals making 50,000 a year or more they will qualify for food stamps and are being encouraged to apply for them. Go figure. If we could somehow encourage Enrique Peña Nieto, Mexico's president, to come here without proper papers -- or with them, it doesn't matter which way he comes, he would qualify for food stamps just for coming here. I think we should do it and replace one of our Benedict Arnold elected officials with him! How about getting rid of KY Republican Mitch McConnell and putting Nieto in his place? Give him 100,000 a year and food stamps! A huge savings over McConnell's salary AND he would probably do a better job.

      This definitely needs to be made public as a lot of people here in this country are suffering so badly and here our millionaire congress is encouraging illegals to come here and take any jobs that may develop and our food stamps too!

      Congress just got done yesterday, Friday Feb. 7th, cutting more than 800 million from the food stamp program here in the states. Is it time for another Bastille Day or what??

      JudicialWatch.org

      http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-rele...

      Fox News

      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/19/senator...

      Fox News & Laura Ingraham

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt4jbUa3qao

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Aunt Jimi, thank you for doing the research on this, I really appreciate it. This makes me sick! I never made more than anywhere near $50,000 and could not get food stams, no matter what, not even when I was single with 2 babies to raise. Has this world gone crazy or what?

      Thank you Aunt Jimi for the links, I will definitely check them out.

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      Paige 3 years ago from New Orleans, LA

      Sorry, no, Aunt Jimi. Those links you point to all use each other as references, making them circular. It's actually a program started by Bush in 2004 to educate guest workers with family members on both sides of the border. Regardless, you must be LEGAL in the US for at least 5 years before you're even eligible to qualify for food stamps.

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      My Esoteric 3 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Also, what it advertised is " “You need not divulge information regarding your immigration status in seeking this benefit for your children.”; which is Federal policy, I believe. It says nothing about illegals being eligible.

      Each of the sources are far-right sources, btw.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Hi Paige, thank you so much for weighing in on this issue, especially since I have not had the time to research the links Aunt Jimi provided.

      That will be done some time this week.

      I personally know people who are part Native American, have no job and can't get food stamps.

      I really appreciate you taking the time to comment on this issue.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      My Esoteric, You don't know how much I appreciate you continuing to research information about this issue.

      It does not surprise me that the source of the information is far-right. I have seen enough of the right (especially tea party people) do things and then turn around and blame someone on the left.

      I do so appreciate you interest in this information and that you seek the truth and you are not afraid to put it out there/here.

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      My Esoteric 3 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      You must have spent a lot of time in the SS office @Pollyannalana to hear so much to make such a generalized conclusion about the whole system. Also, I guess America must like this "dictator" since they voted him into office not once, but twice by "convincing" margins.

      You are clearly on the wrong side of the immigration debate by about 75%-25%, according to the latest polls; the 25%, of course, being that group who makes up the far right.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      @Pollyannalana - My hub is about Social Security, not social services. With out going into to much detail here is my experience with social services. I applied for food stamps when I was a young mother with 2 babies to feed. Again that was behind closed door. I am sure that no one in the waiting room (made up of all races) heard that I was denied.

      BTW - my mother was also in a nursing home and when my brothers and I had to make the arrangements for her. The details were not aired in public.

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      Pollyannalana 3 years ago from US

      I thought this was about the truth not what we can't tell or have to keep secret. I don't mind talking openly, I have nothing to hide and I was only sharing what I myself witnessed many times. These people come in to the window in the waiting room is how I heard and it was illegal immigrants moving from one state to another and they were told nothing will change, you get your same benefits, just bring proof of your address. Maybe not related but learned new news today. Obama wants a chip put in all of us holding our medical records and of course tracking us wherever we go. If that doesn't ring a bell maybe you should go behind a closed door and read your bible. I'm through here.

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      Paige 3 years ago from New Orleans, LA

      @Pollyannalana- you're right! It is about the truth, meaning provable facts, not just grinding an axe. There's an old adage: "feelings aren't facts." You may not like the president. You may listen to other people who don't like him, but that doesn't make what they say true either if it's only based on their feelings and worse-case assumptions. I have many things I disagree with the government about, but when we veer off into hyperbole, or using the Bible as proof of policy, or conspiracy theory we dilute reasonable discussion that might lead to improvement.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      @Pollyannalana - Yes this is about truth, that is what my hub is about and Social Security and food stamps. What my hub is not about is Social Services and the people you referred to as 'Them.' As if the people who were applying for social services and less than human. I don't know who was in the waiting with the people you call 'Them,' but to hear what was said you would have to have been there.

      As for President Obama wanting to put a chip in people, I don't know about that. Maybe you should write a hub about it.

      When, where and why I read my Bible is between me and my God, and no one else.

      If you are done here, I wish you well. And may the next light you see be the light of truth.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      BTW, how do you know THEY were illegal immigrants?

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Paige, for your thought on this. I completely agree with you.

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      My Esoteric 3 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      The absolutely irrational fear about Obama simply amazes me. I am more convinced than ever that there is a racial component to it now that I completed my analysis of the 2012 Presidential election exit polls for a Hub on the 2014 Senate race I wrote. The suggestion that the color of his skin had a lot to do with the White vote is very strong although I won't be able to draw more conclusive results until I take a similar look at the previous 5 Presidential exit polls and compare them. Those polls could either entirely support the hypothesis or blow it up; but common sense and American history suggest the latter is not very likely.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Yes! My Esoteric, I know you are right. I know also that the right plays on those racial fears. Anyone can see it in all the jokes that are passed around, and e-mailed. It is not as bad as it is going to get if Hillary runs, they are already trying to impeach her in effigy. That is Rand Paul via impeaching President Clinton again. I hope you write about the 5 Presidential exit polls, I would love to read it.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      @Pollyannalana, in reply to your denied post.

      Food Stamps are not "HANDOUTS," They are a last-resort lifeline for hungry children and seniors.

      Unemployments benefits are not "HANDOUTS," They are a last-resort lifeline for workers who were laid off and are struggling to find a job in an economy that was imploded by Wall Street.

      Giving PROFITABLE CORPORATIONS TAX CUTS AND SUBSIDIES THEY DO NOT NEED, "IS A HANDOUT!"

      ____DemoNews.org

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      Aunt Jimi 3 years ago from The reddest of the Red states!

      Read a sign on FB today that said babies and servicemen/women are the same to Republicans. They care while the baby is in the womb and the serviceman/woman is in the war, but when the baby is born and/or the serviceman/woman comes home, they don't care anymore if they starve or what.

      Well, the thing is, Republicans don't care when the serviceman/woman are serving either. They just cut food stamps not only to veterans, but to active military people who don't make enough soldiering to feed their families. Expect they've cut them to expectant mothers too, so really, they just like to whine and complain. Republicans don't care about anybody no matter who no matter where.

      Voted up and useful, interesting, again. Sharing too.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Aunt Jimi, thank you for reading, commenting, voting up and sharing this again. You are so appreciated.

      You are right! Those people do not care about anyone but their own pocketbook.

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      C E Clark 2 years ago from North Texas

      I've been reading that food stamps are about to be cut again for thousands if not millions of people. I think our Congress should cut their own salaries. Who wouldn't like to make 272,000 a year for sitting at home on vacation? Most of them aren't worth spit and that includes both parties.

      Voted up and awesome, and sharing on HP. Tried 3 times to pin to AH and it wouldn't let me. Have a good Thursday!

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      My Esoteric 2 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      This probably isn't a new idea, but your comment of cutting Congresspeople'salary because of vacation, made me think of an alternative, pay them by the day they are in session.

      Having said that, there are good reasons for 1) representatives to go to their districts to meet with constituents (assuming that is what most of their time is spent doing) and 2) taking foreign trips.

      Reasons: 1) the fear of Representative Government in a country as big as the original 13 States from day one was the representatives losing touch with those they are representing; how to deal with that consumed much time at the Constitutional Convention. And 2) because Congresspeople are supposed to also represent the interest the nation as a whole, not just their district, that means they need to be well versed in foreign matters as well, hence the trips.

      That said, I don't condemn them for a certain amount out of session, but what they do in practice verges on the criminal, in my opinion, especially while they leave children to live with the pain of constant hunger.

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      bradmaster 2 years ago

      My Esoteric

      I think that people need work instead of food stamps.

      SS and Medicare are TAXES first.

      The government didn't use the SS contributions to prepare for the days when there would be more benefits paid, then contributions made. Because they didn't invest wisely, they have created a Ponzi scheme. That is why they had to include government workers and other groups that were initially not part of the mandatory SS contributions.

      Medicare was tagged onto the FDR SS by LBJ in 1965, Since its creation, it has been the vehicle for extensive fraud. The donut hole or whatever it is shows how it is so ridiculous.

      Yes, there are some benefits from these mandatory tax systems, but a better system could have could have been created, if it was not under the control of congress.

      Congress has been complaining for a long time about how SS and Medicare are such a big drain on their budget, that they can't balance it. They blame the retirees, and the users of these system, and not themselves for creating them, and not taking care of them.

      The US is becoming a welfare country and maybe it is intentional so that the people are dependent on the "entitlement" programs. If the US didn't lose their manufacturing supremacy, and their automobile supremacy there would still be a lot of good paying jobs here. But, those jobs went to third world countries. Now China has replaced the US in manufacturing. Go to any tourist souvenir shop and all the local souvenirs are made in China, not in the US.

      I am still looking for something on which we can agree.

      Thanks

      bradmaster

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      My Esoteric 2 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      That's like saying people need air to breath, instead of food stamps. Would your solution be to force business to hire all available people who are willing and able to work and then pay them a living wage? I seriously doubt it would be, but that is the only way eliminate the NEED for food stamps for those who ARE willing and able to work as well as their children.

      The next category are those who work, but don't earn enough to live on, like E-1s in the Army and 60-year olds working at McDonalds. The solution there, of course, is to force their employers to pay them more money so they can afford to buy food without the need for food stamps. That, of course, isn't going to happen either.

      Your "people need to work" theory is a nice theory and could work if we were a socialist country, but fails miserably in the real world of capitalism.

      You say a better system COULD have been created. Then why wasn't it? Conservatives had 200 years to create one and failed miserably. Finally, FDR had to get the ball rolling so America would stop looking like Bangladesh every time the greedy rich people drove the country into another recession or depression; which they did every 5 to 6 years. Frankly, I don't like an America that treats its people the way we did for the first 2/3rds of our existence, its inhumane.

      Conservatives have been doing the complaining, not Congress.

      Somewhere around 3 - 5% of Americans draw true welfare and probably 30% of large corporations do the same. Somehow I don't think for individuals that qualifies as "The US is becoming a welfare country", but it might when you talk about large corporations.

      We agree on a national sales tax, I think.

      And some day, some other country will replace China as the manufacturing center (actually, it has already begun); that is simply the way economies grow. It won't be that long before China is mainly a Service oriented economy.

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      bradmaster 2 years ago

      My Esoteric

      Hooray, on National Sales Tax.

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      I find it interesting about what you don't comment about on my comments. Like my comments on FDR, SS and Medicare.

      As for why a better system wasn't created, that is politics. In addition, it is why I am so adamant that the congress creates a pathetic system for the private sector, but that system is not good enough for them, and the government workers.

      In 2008, it was 26 million people that were on food stamps.

      When China becomes a service country, where will that put the US?

      Congress needs to work together, but that hasn't been the case for over one hundred years, and before that i don't really care. It is up to the voters to stop voting Row A or Row B because they only feed fuel to the sibling rivalry between the parties.

      The parties pick the candidates the voters can choose from, but it is a conjuring trick, you always pick the one they want you to pick. Obama winning the DNC over Hillary is an example.

      Both parties use their registered voters to determine how many independents they need for a win. That is the problem created from being a loyal party voter.

      This is my reason why the country only moves to the left or the right, but rarely forward.

      Congress should be treated by the people as a team, and it doesn't matter who didn't score, but that the game was lost. The search for the guilty doesn't make a win, it just assigns blame. It doesn't change the outcome of the game.

      Thanks.

      bradmaster

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      My Esoteric 2 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      We discussed SS and Medicare elsewhere.

      I would say Congress has worked, over the medium term, the way it was designed for most of my lifetime, until 1996; then it came to a screeching halt.

      Information economy follows Service. I had a lecture on that back in 1992 at the Air War College and damned if the guy wasn't right.

      Also, I sort of have to pick and choose what to respond to because, as you can tell, I tend to get a bit wordy and this isn't even my hub we are taking up space on.

      Actually, I would argue that Obama is the counter example, but nevertheless, I tend to agree with what you say on this subject.

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      My Esoteric, I absolutely agree with you that we need to pay them by the day they are in session. I heard yesterday that they are on vacation until December 2. They want to wait till after the midterms are over so the know which way to go.

      I appreciate your comments, dear friend.

      Blessings

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      @ bradmaster

      Republicans continue to proclaim that Social Security needs reformed. (they mean privatized or eviscerated.) They say how today 65-year-olds won’t get back what they contributed.

      As Linda Silva, of Arlington, Texas stated, “Social Security is and always has been an insurance program, not a piggy bank.”

      If all people received equal amounts or more than they put into insurance programs, insurance companies would go broke. Or the Insurance company premiums would be so high that only the filthy rich could afford insurance.

      The people who pay into Social Security and Medicare (THESE ARE NOT ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS) receive the benefits and people who did not, are not supposed to receive benefits. Did you not pay into these programs?

      Did you read this hub? Or are you simply commenting on the comment by My Esoteric?

      I thank you for the visit!

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      @ badmaster

      You say, Congress should be treated by the people as a team, and it doesn't matter who didn't score, but that the game was lost. The search for the guilty doesn't make a win, it just assigns blame. It doesn't change the outcome of the game.

      If you think this is a game and no one should look at who threw the game, maybe you should not even vote.

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      My Esoteric, you are free to comment on my hub anytime. You are truly appreciated.

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      Au fait, you are right, but I like My Esoteric's idea also, about paying our representatives only for days spent in session.

      Thank you my dear friend for the comments, up votes, and sharing.

      I hope you have a fantastic weekend.

      Blessings and hugs to you.

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      C E Clark 2 years ago from North Texas

      Both of our ideas boil down to the same thing, cut Congress's salaries. I say don't pay them when they're on vacation at home, which is a little too often, and My Esoteric says only pay them on the days they work. Where's the difference? Agree with him that the work senators and members of the House do in their districts as well as overseas is important -- much of the time.

      bradmaster, nearly 30% of food stamp recipients are working and receiving the minimum wage. Creating more jobs, not minimum pay jobs, but good paying jobs that will support at least one person and ideally 2 or 3 so that an entire family with 2 working parents can manage would be great.

      The Millennial generation is much bigger than the baby boomers. There are plenty of people to pay into SS. SS is not in trouble if we can keep politician's fingers out of it. Read my article on what makes up the national debt and who we owe that money to. Most people just want to harp about it, they don't care about the truth. Trouble is, once the truth is available, shunning it for the sake of whining doesn't impress anyone who understands.

      Blessings and hubs to you too, Shyron. Hope your weekend is going well.

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      Au fait, thank you for this comment, I appreciate you.

      I agree with you and My Esoteric, at least a combination of the both ideas. How do we implement these idead?

      Blessings and hugs (hubs? LOl) is this a gentle nudge to tell me to get going on a hub(s)?

      Lots going on right now that limits my time on here.

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      C E Clark 2 years ago from North Texas

      Every time of the year is a good time to think about the less fortunate and give a helping hand any way possible, but this is traditionally the time most people think about them. People have to eat year around, not just at Thanksgiving and Christmas.

      Hopefully there will be lots of donations to food pantries and kitchens, and to homeless shelters, etc. Given the laws against being homeless passed in so many cities across the country, it might be a good time to rally the neighbors, friends, etc., and everyone in a group take some nice warm food to the homeless people in their communities. Cops would have to arrest the whole crowd, so make it a big one. What great headlines for the newspaper on Christmas morning! "600 People Arrested and In Jail Christmas Eve for Giving Food to the Homeless"

      Sharing this again. The program needs to be expanded and all those who don't believe poor people work harder than anyone else out of necessity just to survive, need to get a month of being dirt poor in their stocking from He who provides all things so that they can see for themselves that poor people are not the lazy slothful ones. It is those who pay not a penny in taxes every year, and there are thousands of them who do not, who are the true moochers in our culture.

      Hope you are in a warm place and enjoying the holiday season. Hugs and blessings, dear friend.

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      Au fait, thank you for the comments and sharing.

      I also hope there will be lots of donations to food pantries, thanks for the reminder. I have been there. If people would pull their head out they would see things that they have never seen before, and maybe would VOTE for people who would change those laws.

      Yes I am in a warm place (by the Grace of God), I hope that you are also in a warm, dry place.

      Blessings and Hugs right back to you.

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      Jaye Denman 2 years ago from Deep South, USA

      Shyron -During this season which emphasizes giving to and caring for others, I read an online essay for which I'll share the link in a manner I hope will be allowed by HP: wwwDOTyahooDOTcom/parenting/how-it-feels-to-be-a-kid-on-welfare-104765206998.html

      (Replace the DOTs with the symbol, then cut and paste to access the article.)

      The essay is a personal story that anyone with a heart should respond to, yet we both know there are many people without hearts or souls to feel compassion for those less fortunate. In fact, they refuse to believe that anyone who is poor didn't bring it on themselves with "laziness."

      The truth is, unless one is wealthy, the loss of one paycheck can cause a downward spiral due to getting behind in paying bills and never catching up. The loss of a job can cause hunger and homelessness. Other factors, such as physical illness, accidents and mental health issues also contribute to those outcomes.

      I suppose this makes me not a very nice person, but I wish that any member of Congress who votes against the social programs that provide a safety net for the poor, disabled and otherwise needy Americans will someday have the opportunity to walk in their shoes...to become the "them" they talk about in their "us versus them" scenarios.

      By the way, I love Au fait's comment about keeping the politicians' fingers out of Social Security!

      Voted Up+++

      Jaye

      (In addition to staying warm, I hope you all miss out on the flu, which is hitting our respective states pretty hard right now.)

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      My Esoteric 2 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      I watched my step-daughter and her family go through the same thing when her husband was abruptly fired and it took him two weeks to find a job at half-pay. They were considered middle class, now they are not and are living hand-t0-mouth, paycheck-to-paycheck. Fortunately for them, my wife and I are there to help, most people aren't that fortunate.

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      Dear Jaye, thank you for your comments, up votes and sharing. Yes, I did read the essay from the link that you shared, it worked just fine. I saw the movie that was made about this girl/woman.

      Yes, I know and know of many people who believe that anyone who asks for or accepts welfare/food stamps is lazy and slothful and milking the system. I don’t know anyone who is milking the system, I think there may be those who are but don’t know them. I personally know people who have tried to get on welfare and food stamps and were turned down.

      If you are not a nice person, then neither am I. I also wish that any member of Congress who votes against the social programs that provide a safety net for the poor, disabled, downtrodden and needy Americans (To me it is not just a safety net it is a life line to existing,) and I hope they are given the opportunity to walk in the shoes of the people that they look down on and want to make those people more miserable than they already are. But these same members have passed a law, that it is against the law to be poor in many states, but do nothing to help the poor to out poverty and everything they can to push those who are middle class to become poor.

      I also hope that you don’t get the flu.

      Blessings and hugs to you my dear friend. Merry Christmas to you and your family.

      Shyron

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      My Esoteric, thank you for your comment. I really appreciate you.

      Your step-daughter is fortunate that she has you and your wife to help her. My step-father always seem to find a job wherever we were, with the exception of when we were in California one year when the money ran out and we lived on the beach for a couple of adventurous weeks until Dad found a job and a rental house (Do you believe in the paranormal) then we stayed there for that school year.

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      My Esoteric 2 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      I see you don't bother with the Amazon program.

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      My Esoteric, thank you for the comment. I don't have a reason, just following my instinct.

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      My Esoteric 2 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Well, good instinct, I may have earned $5 in 5 years, lol.

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      My Esoteric, some things are better left unsaid. Thank you again for coming back.

      Merry Christmas and Happy New year, blessings and hugs to you and your family

      Shyron

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      C E Clark 2 years ago from North Texas

      It's expected that 11 million more people will now be kicked off of food stamps since the GOP has voted to cut food stamps again, cut Medicare and Medicaid, and cut health insurance subsidies. Then they wonder why they aren't more popular . . . and their supporters claim not to know anything about this. Can you imagine voting someone into office and not keeping up with what they're doing?

      Sharing.

      Hope all is well there. Still problems here in Denton from that horrific storm yesterday. Take care . . blessings . . .

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      Au fait, thank you for sharing this again, for the comments and everything.

      I just heard today that Jeb Bush wants to privatize VA benefits. Strange thing for someone who never served in any way. Maybe he believes like Ann Romney that serving (lol) as governor is equivalent to serving in the Armed Forces. The only thing I can think of is the children who were 10 years old when "W" left office did not think about politics and now they will be 18 for the Presidential election and know nothing about the shenanigans of these people who want to shut down the entities of our government, i.e. the military, USPS, the VA, Food Stamps, Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security.

      All is well here now. Hope all is well with you.

      Blessings and Hugs my dear friend

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      My Esoteric 2 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      While the VA and Social Security are not, things like Medicare, Medicaid, Federal "401" plans, and Obamacare are effectively privatized to the degree that private companies compete to do the mechanics of each of those programs. Obamacare has even more privatization bound up in its regulations in that it tightly regulated like airlines once were. But, beyond that Obamacare is effectively a private operation.

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      My Esoteric, thank you for the comment, I appreciate it very much. I did not know this (Medicaid, Federal "401" plans, and Obamacare are effectively privatized) or I had forgotten it, as soon as I have the time, again, I will be researching "The Affordable Care Act" (Obamacare) although I don't know what that has to do with cutting food stamps or Social Security and Medicare and the Veterans Administration.

      Thanks again for the comment, blessings and Hugs.

      Shyron

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      My Esoteric 2 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      I'm ADHD, lol

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      My Esoteric, thank you, I did not have ADHD yet but I am working on it, lol.

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      C E Clark 19 months ago from North Texas

      I've heard food stamps are being cut yet again. It seems that some people want to make life as hard for poor people as they can. Never having been poor themselves they apparently don't know how hard life already is when people are poor. Really, I think they jus want poor and homeless people to die and get out of the way. Mr. Scrooge was apparently prolific behind the scenes creating more Scrooges.

      Scrooge: "If they would rather die," said Scrooge, "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population." I think that may be the hope of many people today.

      Sharing again.

      Hope you and John are both doing well. Blessings and hugs dear friend. Take care . . .

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      My Esoteric 19 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      It sure seems so, doesn't it.

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      Shyron E Shenko 19 months ago from Texas

      Yes, this is true. I just witnessed something so horrible last night that I am still shaking right now. It was a town council destroying 1 council member who disagreed with the others and the had a witch trial at the council meeting.

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      Shyron E Shenko 19 months ago from Texas

      Au fait, thank you for the comment and for sharing. Food stamps is just one of the many things the tea baggers want to cut.

      We hope that all is well with you also.

      Blessings and hugs dear friend.

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      C E Clark 17 months ago from North Texas

      There's another cut in food stamps in the works. Lots of people will be pushed off the program entirely. That should make some people happy. Sharing.

      Hope all's well with you. Take care . . .

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      Shyron E Shenko 17 months ago from Texas

      I read that the GOP wants to starve the poor people to death, and if they win the election the elderly are next.

      Thank you for the comment and for sharing.

      Hope all is well with you

      Blessings and hugs.

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      C E Clark 17 months ago from North Texas

      You forgot unemployment. You have food stamps, Social Security, and Medicare, but you left out Medicaid and unemployment. In addition to cutting food stamps still again, I just read yesterday morning that 11 states have or are cutting the length of time unemployment benefits can be received from 26 weeks down to 13, and that the benefits are being lowered also.

      I really think they want all poor people to die and get out of the way, but of course there will never be an end to poor people. Whoever is making the least money and who has the least wealth will be the poor people in the society in question, so whoever is at the bottom will be the poorest even if they're all millionaires. Wonder if they realize what they've set in motion?

      Sharing again.

      Take care . . .

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      C E Clark 13 months ago from North Texas

      Wonder what 'they' are doing to pubic assistance programs when we're all watching the presidential election shenanigans and aren't watching them? People who have access to showers and who have a roof over their heads and aren't starving tend to find jobs and get back on their feet faster. Sharing.

      Hope you aren't flooding down there. Rained so hard my car leaked like a sieve for a while. We're to have rain for the rest of today and through Saturday. :( Hope all is well with you and John. Blessings and hugs dear friend Both of you take care . . .

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      Shyron E Shenko 13 months ago from Texas

      Au fait, I know how hard it is for folks who don't have a job too and I feel like the ones who have the top political jobs, who have never experienced hard times will never be able to relate to people who have fallen on hard time, so they have no empathy for anyone else and their greed keeps pushing them to take away from people who have less so they can catch up with the people who have more than they do. I sure hope I am making sense, this is how I feel.

      We have standing water, but we are not flooded. It will be many days before I can cut the grass. The town is complaining about our tall grass. So sickening.

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