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Week's Biggest Loser: Jill Stein (Hillary Clinton Again...)

Updated on December 18, 2016
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Among the countless cries from the left of unfairness and a new found interest in abandoning the electoral college (I dare any liberal to say they'd have the same response if the roles were reversed...), it is not former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton that is leading the desired charge for a recount. Green Party candidate Jill Stein has called for a revisiting of the vote in several critical key battle ground states, where she received a whopping 1% of the overall ballots cast.

Under the guise of unproven claims of "voter fraud" and "hacking," little evidence has been provided to support such assertions, other than Stein and other liberals are unwilling to accept the outcome. The states in question were typical Democrat, working class strongholds during recent elections, which Trump managed to change from blue to red. With Stein's efforts concentrating on Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan (all conveniently Trump wins), numerous questions have surfaced over motive, goal, and what a candidate that was seemingly irrelevant this election hopes to achieve.

While some insist that Clinton or her team are the true puppet masters behind the recount (would anyone put it past them at this point?), others argue the endeavor is merely a means to challenge the legitimacy of President-elect Trump's victory (Look no further than Stein's Twitter). Regardless of motive, the results appear to be having quite the opposite effect, as reversals are minimal or opposite of intended, expenses continue to pile up, deadlines have been missed, and judges decide to rule against forced intervention.

As recounts continue, Hillary was reportedly losing by greater margins in Wisconsin on Tuesday.
As recounts continue, Hillary was reportedly losing by greater margins in Wisconsin on Tuesday. | Source

Trump Presidency Imminent

With petitions filed in battleground blue states and recounts already underway, here are a number of issues now confronting challengers:

  • Jill Stein's website provided a disclaimer, which stated she can in no way guarantee that donations will fully be used towards the recount. Although initially unclear, the website has since insisted that any remaining balance would, "go towards election integrity efforts and to promote voting system reform." You can find this information on her website, but I will not be providing a link here...
  • Generally speaking, the entire effort was not a cheap undertaking and now appears to be a complete bust in terms of unseating Trump. Not to mention, Stein's campaign originally insisted that the total required funds were $2.5 million, before increasing it to $4.5 million, $7.5 million, and then an absurd $9.5 million (red flags anyone!).
  • CBS News estimates the following cost per state breakdown: Wisconsin - $1 million, Pennsylvania - $500,000, and Michigan - $600,000.
  • A federal judge halted the Michigan recount, citing a court ruling that did not recognize Stein's request at revisiting the vote as valid. The District Judge said that Stein was relying on, "speculative claims," as opposed to, "actual injury."
  • Dragging Hillary Clinton back into the spotlight not only reminds the public of her humiliating defeat, but is also having the unintended consequence of unearthing more votes cast for Donald Trump. Although eventually picking up an insignificant amount of votes, Wisconsin was actually adding to Trump's total during their recount.
  • With the other states virtually out of play and Pennsylvania lacking the electoral impact to sway the election's outcome, Stein would have to convince a federal court that a recount there would be significant enough to force the state to oblige her.

Was it to cause controversy, linger in the spot light a few more moments, skim some cash off the top of donations, or a covert Clinton operation? Who knows, who cares at this point, as the venture to vanquish Trump, through tantrums and questioning the system, seems to have utterly failed. Jill Stein is this weeks biggest loser for wasting donor's money on a recount that never stood a chance of reversing course of the conclusion, as is Hillary Clinton, who has perhaps sunk even lower in defeat.

Runners up (in no particular order):

  • The 49ers for stubbornly insisting they are starting Colin Kaepernick against the New York Jets, despite having more sacks than passing yards against the Chicago Bears last week (five sacks and a measly four completed passing yards).
  • Sunshine Sachs cancelling its Christmas Party over Hillary Clinton's loss, therefore robbing employees of some holiday cheer that they most likely desperately need with Trump assuming control shortly after the New Year.
  • Lena Dunham for her disturbing (dear God, nobody-wants-to-see-that) toilet selfie.

What runner up has your vote?

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    • My Two Pennies profile image
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      My Two Pennies 9 months ago from United States

      Any time. Keeps me accountable

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      Yves 9 months ago

      Thank you for the feedback, My Two Pennies. I appreciate it!

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      My Two Pennies 9 months ago from United States

      "not your business. i learned long ago not to get personal here."

      You're the one who brought it up... Why seek attention with it, if you didn't want it in the spotlight?

      Then again, Savvydating is right, never mind....

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      My Two Pennies 9 months ago from United States

      Savvydating, I broke it down to answer your questions. Good question!

      Are you beginning to feel a little foolish, Two Pennies?

      For countering the extremely flawed and dangerously inaccuracies of Liberalism, never.

      Why did you argue?

      I argued and will continue to counter their positions, in order to expose the stream of misinformation and hold them accountable to brash statements that usually cannot be supported with truth, as letting the left control the narrative for so long is why we are in such dire straits.

      Were you that bored?

      With a lopsided argument, as she only sticks to ridiculous talking points? YES. With pushing back? That's why I'm here and on Twitter.

      Something else? We've all been there.

      I guess that you can say that. Most conservatives just want to live their lives with minimum interference, but we've been silent for far too long. The purpose of MyTwoPennies is to provide a conservative perspective and push back against globalism and the establishment, who until recently have controlled the narrative.

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      Yves 9 months ago

      Not surprised you were banned. Have you ever considered there was a good reason for that? On second thought, Never mind.

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      Yes Dear 9 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      well now. good ole flynn shared classified info, did he? LOCK HIM UP

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      Yes Dear 9 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      not your business. i learned long ago not to get personal here. removed all my personal hubs due to it. the overwhelming agape love is too much to bear. and i put stuff in my own comments section because im banned from forums for life....and imagine, never been as rude as you! something like jesus said...bearing witness to the truth. anyway, while people are busy swooning and gloating cause big bad witch is dead, your hero is just dumb beyond belief. this senator from wisconsin...cant think if his name...looks like an albino. anyway, he was in the gang of 8 who heard the original information about russia hacking, and he said that russia had taken ukraine's electrical grid down. this is what we are dealing with w cyberwar. its no joke. its not "nothing", and trying to pooh pooh it, or deny it is dangerous and shows zero care for the safety of usa. and the fact that it was only the useless democrats who were hacked and taken down is no excuse to ignore the problem. if your big bad tuff guy takes this lightly, it will only show what a complete and total baffoon he truly is.

      evet hear of the killshot??? wake up.

      listen to richard painter....he speaks the truth! a real patriot.

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      Yves 9 months ago

      love my chris loves to hear herself speak. She even answers herself.

      Are you beginning to feel a little foolish, Two Pennies? Why did you argue? Were you that bored? Something else? We've all been there.

      So....love my Chris, what happened with your husband and the Jury? Was he convicted or did he just lose the case? Pray tell.

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      Yes Dear 9 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      new communications director is friend of bossie. bossie, of citizens united fame.

      this clique is all over trumpland.

      bossie

      breitbart

      mercer

      fbi

      quite a motley crew

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      Yes Dear 9 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      honestly? trump voters. just like i blame the jury in my husbands trial. thats ultimately where the blame lies. and as i wonder about them...how do they sleep at night?

      not to worry, if im wrong, its good for you. and if im right, youll be ok too.

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      My Two Pennies 9 months ago from United States

      Remind me, didn't Hillary Clinton sell uranium from OUR stockpiles to the Russians? Maybe we shouldn't be worrying about Trump's relationship with Putin...

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      My Two Pennies 9 months ago from United States

      Only a blissfully ignorant liberal would call a press conference with Obama propaganda. Ignoring the facts doesn't make it any less untrue, just as repeating false talking points doesn't make them real... Who will you blame next?

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      Yes Dear 9 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      obama wasnt quick to agree with investigations, nor was hillary. but they all had intelligence about russia hacking, as did trump.

      you and trump choose not to believe it, i do.

      and im waiting for the slam dunk; if sanctions are lifted, and putin gets his 500 billion dollar deal, id say thats enough qui bono for me.

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      My Two Pennies 9 months ago from United States

      I know you won't take my word for it, in regards to your conspiratorial talking points, so straight from the mouth of the king hypocrite himself, here's Obama's take prior to Clinton's embarrassing defeat:

      https://youtu.be/UXpRswM-tzc

      "No serious person would suggest that you could even rig America's elections."

      “There is no evidence that that has happened in the past or that there are instances in which that will happen this time. And so I’d invite Mr. Trump to stop whining and go try to make his case to get votes..."

      Funny how he changed his tune real quick after the Dems need to fill their weekly scapegoat for losing. I invite you all to stop your whining and tantrum throwing. Even worse is you're buying into and spreading such ridiculous misinformation. Podesta's Email is now looking to be the cause of the breach, not Putin and Trump.

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      Yes Dear 9 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      speaking of gowdy...they closed the benghazi hearings...how bout that? think they might have them for trump/putin ties? dont hold your breath. we are expected to "heal", and "move on", when our concerns are not addressed.

      but say-- if hillary is such a horrible crook who deserves jail time, how come your boyz fell flat every time? they had 9 stabs at it.

      and, had she won, chafetts was all set to go for more hearings....is he saying shes only a criminal if she tries to be president?

      ******

      regarding your link, i dont watch propoganda...thought you knew that.

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      Readmikenow 9 months ago

      lovemychris There is no disputing that Hillary is a pathological liar. From telling a lie about Benghazi being the result of a YouTube video, to avoiding gunfire at Bosnia to lying about her Email server and more. This exchange with FBI director Comey and Trey Gowdy says it all. If you or I did what this woman did...we'd be in jail. Not running for president. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z8pnk2rvYo

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      Yes Dear 9 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      and you cant say it didnt.

      suppose it had been the opposite, and rnc and trumps private conversations went public, but not hillary's?

      suppose comey told us about the investigation of trump, but failed to mention hillary's?

      i think that would have made a huge difference, and i dont see how you can say it wouldnt.

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      My Two Pennies 9 months ago from United States

      If you say so. Not really a fan of Fox News or any other establishment "news" networks that are in reality media outlets with zero journalistic integrity.

      You can say it's not rocket science, but you cannot actually think that emails swayed millions of people to vote for Trump that would have instead voted for Clinton because of Wikileaks (leaked the truth btw that you ignore as it doesn't fit the liberal narrative). Maybe working class people are just sick of Obama's failed economic policies and a health care law that makes coverage unaffordable.

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      Yes Dear 9 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      our reality doesnt mesh. and fake news is saying hillary sold weapons to isis...which people believed! most of fake news is pro trump, anti hillary, because fox viewers believe that stuff. just the truth. some still believe obama is a muslim born in kenya.

      and as in everything in life, the way we can see the truth is to ask, "who benefits"?

      now, who benefitted from email leaks?...hillary?

      who benefits from trump win?

      putin!, with the placement of tillerson as sos, ill bet that 500 billion dollar deal goes through. and he obviously felt free to push the final onslaught in syria without fear of repraisals, or stiffer sanctions.

      17 agencies say russia hacked. and who was the target? clinton, not trump. its not rocket science.

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      My Two Pennies 9 months ago from United States

      Give me a break.... The left has been arrogantly insisting no Republican could ever win again and doing everything they can to silence any opposing views ("fake news" right?). After shoving your socialist agenda down American's throats for 8 long years, people voted it time for a change (appears to not be limited to America either, with Brexit, and what's going on in Italy).

      Still waiting on you to articulate even the slightest counter argument with fact and reality...

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      Yes Dear 9 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      "This year the bottom line and as I said," the real issue," I didn't say the popular issue, was the last chance to put conservatives in control and put constitutionalists on the SC and virtually do away with the left"

      ........WAR

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      My Two Pennies 9 months ago from United States

      "no. i think mi, pa and wi were rigged"

      So you're just going full blown conspiracy then because of the inability to accept the realities of a Trump win?

      I'm not going to even comment on your talking points of Hillary v a corrupt male politician, as you have clearly missed the reason for why America elected a non-politician. The liberal tactic of identity politics has failed this election, and trying to revive it here won't work (we know, Trump's a sexist, racist, islamophobic, homophobic, fill in the blank, as are all nearly 62 million that voted for him)

      I live in one of the two states that you're referencing and can honestly name all Hillary supporters I've encountered this entire election on 2 hands (work, family, friends, associates, online interactions with locals, running into ppl, etc). So again I ask, did it not ever occur to you that people didn't want her more of the same failed Obama approach and just a change? Hillary was an incredibly flawed candadite and only those watching establishment media outlets for their liberal echo chamber analysis could have though Clinton would have been crowned. Me and a friend tracked the entire election with ease, as Brexit also provided clear indicators about the mood of the people and the coming change.

      Even now you are only reinforcing my point by blaming a rigged system in MI and PA. It's just sad at this point, especially as Philly had actual fraud last election that the left conveniently ignored (110% voter turnout for Obama... Really?) You can keep trying, but you're failing to even make the most basic of reasonable arguments and only reinforcing my argument, so thanks! :)

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      Yes Dear 9 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      no. i think mi, pa and wi were rigged. no way the exit polls all had it wrong. as such, you are telling me that people secretly voted for trump, then lied to the pollsters, because....? a liberal could never vote for a man who said the things trump said! if anything, a lib would go for stein, or write in sanders.

      hillary was not flawed nor crooked, anymore than any male politician. and if were talking crooked, trump takes the prize.

      i also dont buy the white working class would go for trump. nor do i support sanders and tim ryan and their identity politics. they are the ones playing it!

      you can talk til blue in face, as can i. you wont change mind, same here.

      there is no coming together in america. that much should be clear.

      its a war, and only one side has been fighting.

      get ready for other side.

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      My Two Pennies 9 months ago from United States

      Just so we're all on the same page here. You're actually putting it out there that long-time liberal strongholds like Michigan and Pennsylvania went for Trump because of Wikileaks? I look forward to seeing your attempts at defending that position...

      Maybe it's time for Democrats to do an autopsy, as opposed to passing the blame, and just accept that Hillary Clinton was a deeply flawed, scandal-ridden candidate. Not to mention, elections tend to cycle historically (I know, liberals don't like history...), especially after such a radical 2 term swing.

      How can you even begin to use a phrase like, "law and order," when trying to defend the DNC or Hillary Clinton? Wikileaks and Julian Assange were liberal heroes, until they started showing us the horrendous corruption of Clinton, the establishment media outlets, and DNC. Where's the accountability there? Blissfully ignore anything that doesn't fit the narrative, right?

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      Yes Dear 9 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      are you serious? wikileaks! emails....600 days straight. everyday a new leak. it not only influenced the election, it dominated the news. and not for hillary voters, for undecideds. hillary got 2.8 million votes than him, that is not the problem. but, if not for people voting stein or johnson, clinton would have won even the swing states.

      and, i just heard on diane reim...back in september, democrats wrote to preibus, ryan and mcconnell, telling them about the hacks, and asking them to come together as country to let people know, and stand against it.

      not only did republicans bury the info, but they used the hacked info in anti hillary ads!

      i am so furious, it burns.

      but then, ive been on slow burn since 2001.

      oh, and btw, there has been request filed for dod to look into crosschecking, another method of stealing elections: dumping voters from rolls. then, there is simply the new voter suppression measures the republicans admitted putting in to help romney win.

      i swear, if you had nothing to hide, why worry? isnt that what law and order types always say?

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      My Two Pennies 9 months ago from United States

      lovemychris, explain to me exactly how Russia hacking would alter the outcome of millions abandoning Hillary Clinton for Trump. I'd love to see you provide a real answer to that, instead of merely dodging the question.

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      My Two Pennies 9 months ago from United States

      Intelligence surfaced showing a possible DNC insider responsible for their leaks, not to mention the FBI has a differing view of the CIA's. And before you start you start screaming partisan, let's not forget this is the same FBI that gave Hillary a free pass on criminal activities, while the CIA has been consistently politicized under this administration.

      Wikileaks has repeatedly insisted that the information they released was NOT from Russian hackers. Maybe you should get some more of your facts straight and escape the simplistic liberal talking points. We deal in facts and reality on my page.

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      Yes Dear 9 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      what exactly is your problem? you like the fact that russia hacked? and, it was congressional people as well...you heard mccain say russians hacked him in 08?

      trust me on this: if rnc or trump was hacked, and wikileaks releasing the info, hearings would already be going on in republican congress!

      guilty is guilty. and your man trump is the one who said the election was rigged....kind of hard to blame democrats for that.

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      My Two Pennies 9 months ago from United States

      Don't think what? That Stein did not have a premise or any evidence of fraud to demand a recount? That liberals will find someone else to blame when this most recent scapegoat doesn't work?

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      Yes Dear 9 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      i dont think so. i think people who voted for trump will be asking, what have we done?

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      My Two Pennies 9 months ago from United States

      "judge refused." and for good reason. As this article clearly indicates, Stein had no premise to even demand a recount, other than she didn't like the outcome. All of this nonsense they're claiming has absolutely zero evidence to support it. The real question is who will liberals blame next week?

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      Yes Dear 9 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      no, it only confirmed what the machines spit out. stein asked for a hand count. judge refused.

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      Readmikenow 9 months ago

      I think we can thank Jill for the recount in Wisconsin. Not only did it confirm that Trump won the state, he picked up an additional 162 votes. Oh, this is good news.

      http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/3...

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      Sanxuary 9 months ago

      I do not support Hillary. In fact I had no one to vote for in this election. I believe if you vote you own it. I have never understood why anyone who believes in God would vote for evil. I believe God will let you suffer the fate of those who bring evil. That is the penalty of free will. God will not save us from ourselves. We will suffer until we demand the truth and change our own reality. Its my job to condemn it until they kill me for it. I honestly just hate evil and everyone should. To protect myself I have to support the individual rights of all people. Its ok if you do not believe in God because its a personal choice. We are all hypocrits but i try not to be one. Have you seen the fking world I live in. I just want to make sure we can still argue tomarrow.

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      Yes Dear 9 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      dull? that russia hacked our election, and an investigator is filing complaints for treason? i find that the most exciting thing ive heard in 15 years! been waiting 15 years for SOME sign of justice.

      its here.

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      My Two Pennies 9 months ago from United States

      lovemychris, patriotic? I've breezed through some of your hubs and your arrogant leftist assertions and spreading of misinformation has me truly contesting such a bold claim. But then again, probably hard to see it that way when your political views are have transcended the boarders of reality.... Savvydating is right your talking point responses are predictable, and quite dull at that.

      Sanxuary, I really hope that you aren't or weren't a Hillary supporter, while throwing around the word, "lie" so casually... A little hypocritical if so...

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      Sanxuary 9 months ago

      I love how Trump used the lie on weapons of mass destruction to discredit the CIA. Bush wanted the lie and got the lie and so the Republicans use a lie to lie again. They have used this strategy a few times already and it was a lie then, why would it work now? Just as strange is to assume Trump is using Republican failures to cover his next lie. Just as strange is to assume Trump is a Republican. He is now and still they refuse to own their own lies. I guess the lies are still adding up.

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      Yes Dear 9 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      hmm, i prefer to think of myself as patriotic.

      democracy is great, if you can keep it. id say we have lost it....maybe long ago.

      one person, one vote. re-do

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      Yves 9 months ago

      Sanctuary, I had not heard of you much, unlike "love my Chris," who is predictable. Consequently, I gave you the benefit of the doubt when I addressed you on the "arrogant" hub by the this author, My Two Pennies.

      I will no longer make that mistake again.

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      Yes Dear 9 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      yes, comey knew, because reid asked him to look into it. rather than let us know, he focused on emails. why? i think he was threatened.

      mcconnel knew, and refused to do anything about it. obvious, he wanted a republican president.

      trump knew, as he got the intelligence briefings.

      and hillary is the only one brave enough to say it: remember in the debate when she called trump putin's puppet? bingo.

      is this treason, what is it?

      this election is not legit.

      it was stolen, and i do not recognize the result.

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      Sanxuary 9 months ago

      Another person who sees the obvious. Why do so many little people believe thiss guy is going to change anything? To change anything how much money do the super rich have to make at the top before any of it reaches the bottom? I see a lot of fat grumpy white old men waking up one day and realizing they were lied to and they got used again. If they put all that energy into demanding results you would have some true results in this country. Instead continuing the lie is the only victory. I would not want to anger these grumpy old men the day they demand the truth. So did Trump know the Russians were rigging the election in his favour? Elections are a psychlogical operation. If you plan on rigging the election you say the election is rigged and accuse the others of rigging it. Never relinquishing the e-mail scandal and then hacking more, followed by a false investigation that went no where was well planned. Did the FBI know about the Russian hacking and did they not know how it would play into the Russian plans. How could they not know? They should have never done anything at the time because of the situation.

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      Yes Dear 9 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      yes, its so obvious its laughable. and now watch putin garner his reward: free reign to do as he wishes throughout the world...no resistance from america, the "super power"...have at it vlad. and rather than make usa "great again", WE will grovel at the feet of onternational oil and big biz even more. "oh please, give us jobs, even if they pay minimum wage, get rid of minimum wage, as long as we have something". pathetic.

      and, as far as stalling, democrats will work with dumpy if its good for america. something repubs wouldnt do, even if the idea came from them.(individual mandate)

      doesnt take critical thinking at all. just a willingness to see whats right before your eyes.

      remove religion, insert reality.

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      Sanxuary 9 months ago

      I could careless about Jill Stein but I have no idea why this makes her a loser. This party has done recounts in several elections. If you our third party you have a huge hurdle. Democrats and Republicans draw up the districts. If you could win more votes from one of these parties if they were drawn up correctly you have the same arguments they have. There are serious flaws in some districs, the electoral college and rules on voting in several states. Best of all she gets free publicity as she sticks up for the little person. She does get any money left over from the recount to give to her party. If you believe the election is legitimate then what does it matter if she re-counts the vote? You could raise the money and request a re-count and not have a political party at all. She is hardly a loser and the Democrats never even cared about a recount until she requested it. Trump twittered so much about this recount that I began to wonder if there was something rigged. The Russian hacking that occurred is likely to become big news here soon. I have no idea how big and if it had any effect on the election. It would have been nice if they had hacked both parties.

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      Yves 9 months ago

      Looking forward to reading more. I also read another one of your hubs, (on arrogance) but have not commented quite yet.

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      My Two Pennies 9 months ago from United States

      A sincerest thanks to both you and readmikenow for the compliments, savvydating. Always good to hear from individuals grounded in reality and seeking the truth!

      Liberals truly do love living in their fantasy lands that don't exist, don't they...

      I'm so glad that you enjoyed it, and the only factor that reinforces my resolve to write on such subjects more is seeing the tantrums leftist have after reading them. More is coming very soon!

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      Yves 9 months ago

      Stein is demanding a recount to increase her donor list (each email is worth $5 or $6) as well as to increase her wealth. The so-called "fund for election integrity efforts" is nonsense. Stein understands that no rules exist for accountability and transparency. J.S. is knowingly scamming her fellow Liberals out of money. That being said, if they weren't so stubborn and gullible, in the first place, Stein would not have been able to swindle them. It's not as if Stein actually believes the re-counts would actually change the election outcome---especially not hers!! But, this is what Liberals do. Maybe that is what New Agers mean by "creating your own reality." Stein is creating money. Like magic. ;)

      P.S. Though I make light, I find the whole Stein spectacle truly disgusting, though not particularly surprising. (Sigh)

      In any event, you've written an excellent article. I enjoyed it immensely.

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      My Two Pennies 9 months ago from United States

      "they stalled any progress for 8 years because they lost!" hypocrite much lovemychris? Oh come on...What do you suspect the democrats in Congress will and have promised to do for the duration of Trump's Presidency? I don't imagine that they'll roll over and surrender to Trump's policies anymore then those of us living in reality expected Republicans to cater to Obama's agenda (realistically they gave him a lot). There's a tremendous lack of critical thought here and hints of living in a liberal echo chamber.

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      My Two Pennies 9 months ago from United States

      I hear you Readmikenow. Yeah we'll see, as Democrats are lost in the woods and going with establishment elitist Pelosi only proves this (see my article, "Democrats Double Down on Disconnect"). Gotta admit, the tantrums have been fun to watch!

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      Yes Dear 9 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      moved forward? they stalled any progress for 8 years because they lost!

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      Readmikenow 9 months ago

      Great article. I would like to say when Obama won twice there were no efforts on the right for recounts. It was accepted that Obama would be president. It was painful for most conservatives, but they got organized, analyzed their mistakes and moved forward. Now the Republicans are back in control in a big way. The Democrats need to try to do the same thing. Living in a state of denial and trying to delegitimize Trump's presidency makes them look small and sad. They may not realize it, but doing this also makes more people become Republicans.

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      My Two Pennies 9 months ago from United States

      Whatever helps you sleep at night lady....

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      Yes Dear 9 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      youre funny. if trump won the popular vote by 2.7 million, can you imagine the dialogue?

      i can.screaming at the top of his lungs that he won.

      and all his supporters screaming, yeah! get rid of the electoral college! start impeachment hearings immediately!

      oh yah, youd all be singing a different tune.

      and the biggest loser of all is the u s of a.

      stick a fork in, shes done.

      "sold!to the lowest bidder!"