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What is Wrong With Being Diplomatic With Russia, and Even Putin?

Updated on June 24, 2018

Diplomacy versus War, Allie versus Enemy

Putin gets reelected president of Russia and that means according to the democrats he is the USSR.

What is the advantage of keeping Russia as the arch enemy of the United States?

  • There is no advantage, as far as I can see. Do we really want to recreate the cold war that lasted for almost forty years?
  • Do we want to sink more money into NATO, as we have been doing since it was created. It was created during the Cold War, and it seemed to make sense then.
  • But, does it still make sense today? Not really, Russia while still posing a major military threat because of its nuclear arsenal is being overshadowed by new nuclear threats.
  • Finally, the Terrorists are both the enemy of Russia and the US. The enemy of my enemy is my friend makes sense.

North Korea was allowed to not only have a nuclear weapon's program, but thanks to the previous presidents and US congresses since the Korean War Armistice have even perfected their Nuclear Weapons. And unlike the USSR and Russia, they have not demonstrated restraint in the nuclear weapon's program. That is in all the years of the Cold War and decades later, Russia, nor any country having nuclear weapons used them. We have always had a conventional war, that never escalated to the use of the backup Nuclear Weapon.

Now that president Trump has negotiate at plan for them to remove their nuclear weapons, the democrats are complaining. First they complain saying that president Trump was going to start a nuclear war with them. Now they are complaining because they don't think the agreement is a good one.

Contrast that with the Iran agreement that they praised Obama for and compare for yourself the art of the deals.

The Cold War made those four decades look like one of the Nuclear powers would try a first strike on the US. Fortunately this never happened. But, Today we have a very militaristic show of the Military by China, N Korea, and others that make Nuclear Weapon stability become less stable to the point of being chaotic.

While China has become a world economic contender, why do they still show their military with such volume. They are only less scarier than North Korea, who not only shows off their military development, but add the state of their nuclear weapon's might.

The United States has been involved to some extent in a continuous war with someone since the end of the war that for the second time was to end all wars. When the first World War started, it wasn't called World War I because that war was going to end all wars. Then came the next World War, so the historians had to go back and add a I to the nomenclature and call it World War I, that meant that the new World War would become WWII.

WWII was also the last constitutionally congressional authorized war. Yet, authorization became unnecessary as the president's started wars on their own authorization as commander and chief of the military. Once started, no congress has shutdown a war. The United States has also not won a war since 1898. My definition of winning means exactly what the initial World War was to mean, and end to War.

The benefactors of war were not the United States, nor the American People. It was the military defense contractors that made a fortune on having continuous wars. Every thing that the military had was in need of being upgraded, as the enemy had countered their defense or offensive effectiveness. This became a spiraling challenge. After all, insolence was going to protect the country.

Fortunately, all these upgrades were focused on conventional weapons as you only use a nuclear weapon once. The smart bombs of today cost millions, but they replace the inaccurate and ineffective mass bombings of the past.





What does this history of military might have to do with president Trump congratulating Putin?

The connection between the history of weapons and wars with congratulating Putin is we could use one less enemy, and really use another ally.

The common threat to both the United States and Russia today is the Radical Terrorists that are no longer contained in the Middle East. They are running rampant in the world. And, we have seen the many kinks in the armor of the US intelligence agencies. Information is the necessary asset to counter terrorism.

It was the information gathered in the Austin bombings that found and cornered the bomber. His bombing days are over like Achmed the Jeff Dunham created Terrorist.

A quid pro quo between Russia and the US would be worth the effort. The reason in my opinion that we didn't win the Korean War, and we totally lost the Vietnam War was that the USSR, along with China backed them. And the US politicians didn't want to bring these two countries directly into the War. They had been backing N Korea, and N Vietnam but not officially as members to the war.

The left now is going full mental because president Trump is showing diplomacy to Russia and Putin.

The left is not upset that once again there was a leak in the WH, that

"President Trump did not follow specific warnings from his national security advisers when he congratulated Russian President Vladi­mir Putin Tuesday on his reelection, "

Consider that Russia was OK for the democrat president Barack Obama and his Sec of State Hillary Clinton to ALLOW the sale to Russia of 20% of all US Uranium Production. President Obama also gave billions of dollars in cash to Iran. Iran also has a nuclear program, and with those billions from Obama they can afford to buy US Uranium from Russia.

This leak also contained a section in his briefing materials in all-capital letters stating “DO NOT CONGRATULATE,”.

  • And who are these officials familiar with the call. Why are we still protecting leakers. Isn't that important to the national defense of the US. There seems to be no limit, or no level of classified information that won't be leaked.

Then the leak goes on to say, Trump didn't follow the instruction to condemn Putin based on the poisoning in the UK of a former Russian Spy.The fact is that Trump is the president, and his advisors are just that, They don't make his decisions, they advise. He is the president, he chooses what he needs to do, and what he doesn't have to do.

Here is a question for those that support the notion that it was definitely a Russian kill of the agent.

  • Why isn't the UK allowing Russia to see and examine the evidence. These gases contain identification to show the source, yet the UK is refusing to let Russia see that evidence.
  • Also, this agent could have been taken out when he was in Russia. And the only reason for his death to be caused by a nerve gas is to try and implicate Russia. Would Russia or Putin be so stupid as to use nerve gas that could be traced backed to them. A park bench was the scene of the alleged Russian crime.
  • We have all seen enough spy movies to know that is an overkill, and unnecessary.
  • It is sad that one of our longest Allies has colluded with our now known to be corrupt intelligence agencies in this Russia did it scenario.

Apparently, President Trump doesn't believe that the Russian's or Putin killed the agent.

Remember when our 17 US intelligence agencies swore that Iraq had WMD. So GW Bush takes us into Iraq, when N Korea and Iran also contained WMD. Then when we invade the country, oops no WMD.

Where were our crack US Intelligence agencies on 911, when 19 Terrorists successfully and without an single US defense attacked the US on its own soil.

Also, all 17 US intelligence agencies said that they agreed that the Russian and Trump colluded and their proof was the Clinton DNC created opposition paper they paid Christopher Steele to do in cooperation with the Russians. Now there is the real Russian Collusion to influence of elections.

The fact that all 17 agencies used the same unverified Steele Document is proof that no one them did any independent investigation. They all relied on a document that on its face declared that the information in it was never verified. And none of these agencies even investigated it, much less verified it.

By congratulating Putin for his reelection, president Trump extended diplomacy to Putin. It is the democrats that created the rumor that Russia is the big bad bear. And what did president Obama do after he declared that the Russian's influenced our election. Basically a slap on the risk, send Russian diplomats home. Oh boy, that is telling them not to mess with our elections.

Democrats ask

Why does our president behave this way?

B:

Because that is the way that an intelligent US president does things. He is not the war monger that the democrats want him to be.

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What drives him to defer and subjugate himself to murdering dictator Putin? Is there a rational explanation? Is this good foreign policy?

B:

The answer to these questions is the rational explanation is that this is what a good foreign policy looks like. He is neither deferring, nor subjugating himself, he is -----------------------

acting in the best interest of the country and the people.

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And, once again why are leaks from his national security team not being taken seriously. Where is the security, if these leaks keep continuing?

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    • bradmasterOCcal profile imageAUTHOR

      bradmasterOCcal 

      3 months ago from Orange County California

      Ara

      Thanks for the good intentions, and even if we don't agree in the future, I will value your comment. As the old Chinese saying, applied to Russia, US. Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer. This was meant not to us, but the Trump Putin congrats.

      Please don't hesitate to comment, I always want to know opinions other than my own.

    • CELEBSFAN78 profile image

      Ara Vahanian 

      3 months ago from LOS ANGELES

      I was very hesitant to comment on this article at first because it felt to me like I was stepping into a lion's den. You do have a point that we should at least try to communicate with Russia. I do believe that the government should allocate some funds to the military because in this 21st century world, countries are trying to beef up their armies. I am no military expert but my best guess is that countries are trying to beef up their military might because they are looking at this world as some sort of competition where they feel that they need to prove their might in order to gain access to resources. Access to resources has been something that all empires whether it was Rome, Greece, Egypt and others, they have always tried to gain access to resources. I am no big fan of Putin but what is the alternative to talking to him? If we don't talk to him, it might be isolation, sanctions, or worse maybe a war. The issue of sanctions though is a tough, tough call. I sense that as a result of my interaction on this article, this may mark the beginning of some understanding between us even we don't completely agree on something. I can say that in politics, tough decisions have to be made. Whether or not to talk to Putin is not an easy decision but I still kind of disagree with the US Congress on this choice. We might as well talk to Putin right?

    • bradmasterOCcal profile imageAUTHOR

      bradmasterOCcal 

      3 months ago from Orange County California

      Ara

      Thank you very much for extending this Olive Branch. This seems like a good point to develop better understanding between us.

      And in that spirit, I am making this comment on WWI and WWII to simply explain what I meant by not winning.

      My definition of winning means exactly what the initial World War was to mean, and end to War.

      WWI if we had actually won it, wouldn't have been followed by an even more extensive war as WWII. The Armistice of WWI just deferred the war, which reignited as WWII.

      As for WWII, Eastern Europe was free, during the War it was occupied by the NAZIs. After the war, it was occupied by the USSR. Remember WWII started by the NAZIs invading Europe. The USSR came out the winner, at least in Eastern Europe. And the final conclusion that we didn't win the war, just deferred it, was that it was followed by the Cold War, The Korean War, where Russia, and Communist turned China backed it, making it impossible for the US to win it or the Vietnam War because of the threat of yet a WWIII.

      BTW, we have seen through the different wars, how the military victories have been nullified by the politicians either throwing in the towel, or giving away the farm. Which was true in Korea, and Vietnam.

      Anyway, that is my opinion, why we didn't win any wars. This reasoning can be applied to any of our wars since WWII.

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      Again, this is my opinion, my reasoning, and my conclusion.

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      I am very impressed as well as surprised that you read my article.

      Thanks ARA

    • CELEBSFAN78 profile image

      Ara Vahanian 

      3 months ago from LOS ANGELES

      Brad: I must say that we now agree on something! I actually do not think that it was a bad idea to make that phone call to Mr. Putin. You can take my word for it. You are also correct that we did not win the Korean War or in Vietnam. But before I get to the winning part, let me say that I believe that Congress condemning this is a little strange to me. I know that we have had our disagreements in the past but not for this article. I'm not saying I agree with everything here but for the most part this is well written, analyzed, and thought out. However, let me say that the US did actually win World Wars 1 and 2. If you recall, the US entered WW1 when the Lusitania Ship was sunk and they did fight on the side of the Allies. One of my favorite sentences in this article is the following:" The benefactors of war were not the United States, nor the American People. It was the military defense contractors that made a fortune on having continuous wars." Military defense contractors and companies such as Lockheed Martin have made lots of $$$. You are right, we never found those WMD's in Iraq. Like I said Brad, you have done good here with this article. I hope we can have meaningful dialogue in the future even if I don't agree with everything you write. Have a great weekend!

    • bradmasterOCcal profile imageAUTHOR

      bradmasterOCcal 

      3 months ago from Orange County California

      Alan

      I think you've forgotten Putin supplied Saddam Hussein with tanks and aircraft, and that he also supplies Assad with chemical weapons to use against 'minorities' in Syria. The effect has been to de-stablisise the Middle East (in conjunction with 'Teflon' Tony Bliar's assertion Saddam had 'weapons of mass destruction' despite advice to the contrary).

      B:

      Where is there proof of WMD in Iraq, and second why don't we care about North Korea and Iran who have the nuclear weapons. There was no need to invade Iraq, when we were looking for 19 terrorists and their organization.

      Iraq then led to ISIL.

      You have gone off the reservation as well as failing to make any argument, certainly not any compelling ones.

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      'Dubya' wasn't a professional politician that I know of. I don't know about his record in the US, but Reagan managed to keep the US' finger off the red button.

      B:

      what has name calling got to do with making a point. None made here, as no one touched the red button. And N Korea and Iran were able to work on their WMD with the help of president Barack Obama.

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      Russian subs patrol North Sea waters from Norway down to within sight of the Orkneys, as do Russian trawlers (with listening devices, proven), and Russian fighters constantly test the RAF's air-readiness. That's over 1800 miles from their own air space. Putin might not test Don,

      B:

      What makes you think that you can become familiar with the president of the US, and refer to him like that. Pretty cheeky.

      You don't think that the US and UK are not doing the same thing in Putin's backyard?

      Now that is once again idiocy.

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      but he seems to have fun testing Tess (Theresa May), and had fun testing her predecessors' willingness to either prove their mettle or play the waiting game.

      B:

      What?

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      He plays 'cat and mouse' in a style reminiscent of Nikita Khrushchev, will he get his fingers burnt in the same style? ,

      B:

      Once again, you are the war monger. You also avoided answering my last comment. When was the last time that Russia or Putin threatened either the US or the UK?

      You have seemed to lost whatever point you might have had here?

      Why isn't congratulating Putin by president Trump not to be simply an act of diplomacy?

      You also ignored my comment about the alleged Russian nerve gas killing.

      It might be more rewarding for you to look at the third page on the Sun newspaper:)

      Cheers

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    • alancaster149 profile image

      Alan R Lancaster 

      3 months ago from Forest Gate, London E7, U K (ex-pat Yorkshire)

      I think you've forgotten Putin supplied Saddam Hussein with tanks and aircraft, and that he also supplies Assad with chemical weapons to use against 'minorities' in Syria. The effect has been to de-stablisise the Middle East (in conjunction with 'Teflon' Tony Bliar's assertion Saddam had 'weapons of mass destruction' despite advice to the contrary).

      'Dubya' wasn't a professional politician that I know of. I don't know about his record in the US, but Reagan managed to keep the US' finger off the red button.

      Russian subs patrol North Sea waters from Norway down to within sight of the Orkneys, as do Russian trawlers (with listening devices, proven), and Russian fighters constantly test the RAF's air-readiness. That's over 1800 miles from their own air space. Putin might not test Don, but he seems to have fun testing Tess (Theresa May), and had fun testing her predecessors' willingness to either prove their mettle or play the waiting game.

      He plays 'cat and mouse' in a style reminiscent of Nikita Khrushchev, will he get his fingers burnt in the same style? ,

    • bradmasterOCcal profile imageAUTHOR

      bradmasterOCcal 

      3 months ago from Orange County California

      Alan

      First of all, I love it when Foreigners tell us about our president

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      While Donald Trump may be an astute businessman (he's mastered the art of 'hiring and firing' after all), he's politically naive to the point of idiocy.

      B:

      Donald Trump beat 16 of the best, most experienced republican candidates, and they never knew how he did it.

      Does that show idiocy, being naive or what?

      Consider that since the 70s, the experienced professional politicians have led us into one war after another. And wars that we can't win and didn't win. Both political parties had their turn. and what was the result? In 2001, the entire trillion dollar national defense system was circumvented by 19 Muslim Terrorists. Not a single defensive measure was taken by the entire National Defense. Now, that was idiocy.

      In 2008, while all the supposed best politicians had spent most of two year campaigning not only for the presidency, but congress, the US economy melts down right before the election. And the economy had no problems during the campaign, at least it wasn't a major issue. Then Two presidents, Two congresses and both political parties try to deal with it. But, they could only provide for the people and businesses that created the economic failure, while millions of victims went without relief. For over six years from 2008, their houses were being foreclosed, many had lost their jobs, and 46 million people were on food stamps. But the corporations that were bailed out by the government, used millions of that money to give themselves a 7 digit bonus. Imagine a bonus for bankrupting their company, because they say they were key players. Now that is idiocy.

      This was preceded by the US invading Afghanistan, and Iraq because the US intelligence agencies swore to congress that there was WMD in Iraq. None were found. Now that is idiocy. Why didn't we invade North Korea, they actually have functioning nuclear missiles or Iran that is building up their nuclear capability. Now that is idiocy.

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      He may have stymied Kim Jong Un, but fatso was just as naive. He could be put at the level of arch-appeaser Neville Chamberlain, who after all had only been Chancellor of the Exchequer before taking the reins from Stanley Baldwin. A simple man with a simple task: get Britain back on its feet. Then came Munich and everything unravelled. By 1940 he was gone, shuffled off this mortal coil by overwhelming opposition to his policies and governance of the War.

      B:

      Doesn't apply here.

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      Putin on the other hand has an uncanny mental link to Joseph Stalin and his successors - and he was head of the KGB before Glasnost. He probably filled Lubjanka Prison on his own. Many European leaders are fearful for their countries' gas supplies - piped from the Urals - which is why Germany, France and the Benelux countries' (including Jean Paul Junckers) heads of state have come out with congratulatory noises that sound to our ears more like burps after only just censuring Russia over the nerve gas attacks in the UK - even if the targets were Russians, this is not part of the Russian Federation.

      B:

      Now that is another gem of idiocy, that you bought the chum that Russia killed an agent with nerve gas. Isn't that an overkill, for someone that was in a Russian jail for 8 years. And they could have killed him at anytime.

      Do you really think that Putin is that stupid to kill someone in England with a gas that could be traced to Russia. Also, it is my understanding that the UK refuses to even show Russia the evidence. Go back to your Sir Walter Raleigh as to why that is a wrong thing todo. It is like Hillary Clinton and the DNC saying the Russians hacked us, and yet they refused to let any US intelligence or any agency to actually get on the server and verify the hack.Now that is idiocy converging on stupidity and creating a moron.

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      That's why no 'Congratulations Mr Putin' have been heard from No.10. We might as well have congratulated Robert Mugabe on his earlier successes. One day it'll be Putin's turn to find himself under a low shelf in the store-room of history, maybe next to Donald, a 'once-was'.

      B:

      When was the last time that Russia or Putin threatened or attacked the UK or the US?

      Why don't you agree that what president Trump did was an act of diplomacy. Do you really want another Cold War, and isn't the Radical Muslim Terrorist threat closer to home for both the US and the UK? Wouldn't it be advantageous for us to have Russia as an Ally, rather than an enemy?

      And you really believe that Russia and Trump colluded for him to win the presidency. If you do, then that is idiocy. And what do you say about the allegation that the UK spied on Americans for the CIA. They both sit in the same office in Virginia. While MI6 and their other intelligence agencies aren't allowed to spy on people in the UK, neither are the equivalents in the US allowed to spy on Americans. But, through handshakes and nods, they can do it indirectly spying on the opposite country, but giving the information back to the country that wasn't allowed to spy on their own. That is your level of political morality!

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    • alancaster149 profile image

      Alan R Lancaster 

      3 months ago from Forest Gate, London E7, U K (ex-pat Yorkshire)

      While Donald Trump may be an astute businessman (he's mastered the art of 'hiring and firing' after all), he's politically naive to the point of idiocy. He may have stymied Kim Jong Un, but fatso was just as naive. He could be put at the level of arch-appeaser Neville Chamberlain, who after all had only been Chancellor of the Exchequer before taking the reins from Stanley Baldwin. A simple man with a simple task: get Britain back on its feet. Then came Munich and everything unravelled. By 1940 he was gone, shuffled off this mortal coil by overwhelming opposition to his policies and governance of the War.

      Putin on the other hand has an uncanny mental link to Joseph Stalin and his successors - and he was head of the KGB before Glasnost. He probably filled Lubjanka Prison on his own. Many European leaders are fearful for their countries' gas supplies - piped from the Urals - which is why Germany, France and the Benelux countries' (including Jean Paul Junckers) heads of state have come out with congratulatory noises that sound to our ears more like burps after only just censuring Russia over the nerve gas attacks in the UK - even if the targets were Russians, this is not part of the Russian Federation.

      That's why no 'Congratulations Mr Putin' have been heard from No.10. We might as well have congratulated Robert Mugabe on his earlier successes. One day it'll be Putin's turn to find himself under a low shelf in the store-room of history, maybe next to Donald, a 'once-was'.

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