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When People Die Then People Lie

Updated on January 31, 2012

The fury over Operation Fast & Furious, and the death of Agent Brian Terry and others on both sides of our southern border, isn't going to go away. Through all the stonewalling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth continues to emerge. I watched the same thing happen during Watergate and this will probably be no different. These late Friday document dumps that this administration is now famous for occurred once again this past Friday when Eric Holder's Justice Department dumped on the public anew. The reason they do this late on Fridays is so that what is revealed won't be revealed to the media that actually reports the news rather than try to be the news. Simmer down now my liberal audience, you know exactly what I'l talking about.

I will continue to stick on my beat of writing about Fast & Furious as I have since the death of Brian Terry. The document dump that occurred this past Friday clearly indicates that Eric Holder was made aware, or should have been made aware, of the operation the very day of Agent Terry's death. That is totally contrary to what Holder testified before the House committee regarding the incident. So now the question becomes, "Is it okay for the top law enforcement official of our nation to lie, in sworn testimony, to Congress?" Then the next question follows along quite naturally. If Holder is lying, which it is now apparent that he is, just who and what is he covering up by doing so? Then my next question is tied to this coming reelection campaign. This could prove to be a bit of an albatross for Obama if he allows Holder to remain in that chair lying through his teeth in an obvious cover up. There is always a "political angle" in most of what occurs in our nation's Capitol. Is there room under Obama's bus, along with all the others he has thrown there to insure his political survival, for Eric Holder?

Where's the proof that Holder knew, or should have known, the day of the death of Brian Terry? Since I like to deal in facts I'll share them with you. The proof is in the emails that were contained in the dump last Friday by the DOJ. I won't go through the whole exchange because I just got pinged on an article I posted where they claimed, in their usual laundry list way, that I violated the rules by copying and pasting a list that is all over the internet concerning "unappropriated funds." That is bordering on the ridiculous and is an absurd form of censorship. So what I will do is provide you with a link so you can follow the flow of the email trail as I read it myself. What is important is that the information gets out to the American people regardless of any "absurd policy" anyone creates in order to hamper that effort. I have written the Hub team about their allegation and will ask them here on the forum itself to clarify why, and how, I violated their sacred rule. The truth remains the truth.

So what Holder testified initially to Congress was that he only found out about Fast & Furious a few weeks before his testimony before Issa's committee. The emails make it rather apparent that Holder knew about it at least five (5) months before he told that blatant lie. I reckon in Washington speak that isn't a crime, it is a cover up? Remembering again back to Watergate, Richard Nixon was hounded out of office by a bungled burglary attempt that appeared to be performed by a group of amateurs. That cover up seems to pale against this fiasco because here people have been killed, the guns are still on the run out there and more deaths will follow because an administration wanted to use this incident as a means of infringing on our Second Amendment rights.

But I have to remember that was a Republican President of the United States and not a Democrat President who is as glib as they come. Since Obama has basically remained mute about his buddy Holder and his lying, I have to suspect a bit of complicity somewhere in all of this. Exactly who is Holder protecting? Himself? He's already been caught in the trap. What I would be asking myself if I were Holder at this point is, "Am I going to take the fall for this myself? Am I going to become one of my buddy Obama's sacrificial lambs to insure his political survival?" The question is how much room is left under that bus that Obama drives?

I'm just askin...

And I'm also asking right here where everyone can read it that the Hub Team republish the Hub they pulled where I used information available to anyone in the public. The truth remains the truth.

As Always,

The Frog Prince

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      Stu 5 years ago

      Holder's got to be in this up to his ears, and Obama too. Nobody at the ATF or DOJ were disciplined, indicating in strong terms that there is reasonable suspicion that Holder and Obama are coconspirators. It all boils down to what proof can be obtained, and whether or not someone at a lower level will place a ceiling on the investigation by falling on his sword and falsely state he originated F&F. Rep. Issa has even threatened miscreants in the case with negligent homicide charges. In my opinion, this would be a gift. Negligent homicide is essentially "killing by sloppiness," where there is no reason to believe that death from your action is a reasonably anticipated result (e.g., mopping a store floor, and not putting up "Wet Floor" signs, someone falls, cracks their head, and dies). Here we are talking about thousands of military grade guns being intentionally shipped to drug cartels. Death was clearly a reasonably anticipated outcome. That, my friends, is Murder 2 by Depraved Indifference to Human Life (and carries a 20-to-life sentence).

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      poetvix 5 years ago from Gone from Texas but still in the south. Surrounded by God's country.

      Sir Frog, I commend you again for being brutally honest. I hate you were censored.

      It would be most interesting to see BO throw the wrong person under the bus as in one who might just have something on him. You never know, Holder might just be the one. While it shows an incredible lack of loyalty to anyone, his constant sacrificing of his own, I think, will come back to bite him in the behind. The sooner the better. Thanks for keeping it real and for the most useful link.

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      The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX

      tsad - Now that's quite a list of fibs with links to state the actual facts. Something needs to be understood about Obama which his supporters fail to grasp. He is a pathological liar. In his mind he actually believes that crap because he has told himself the same lie often enough that he believes it. Combine that with his narcissistic personality and the mental problems get compounded. He thinks he is right and eveyone who disagrees with him is wrong. Very narrow thinking which puts him in a box which he'll never get out of. Some people, and he is one of them, are totally incapable of thinking outside the box.

      The Frog

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      TSAD 5 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

      Lying used to be an American art...that's right, politicians have always lied and still do but they tried to do it artfully in the past (for the most part). Today the media doesn't vet their lies and actually lies for them and/or provides cover for their lies so they have become lazy...they lie all the time with abandon to an electorate that has been dumbed down by an education system that government and unions have infringed upon to the exent that the student is actually the last in line of their considerations. Lying is so blatant throughout society, in science, religion, politics, education, health, medicine, you name it...that it is virtually impossible to make a decision today and know for sure that it is based on truth.

      Holder lied? What a surprise - He was appointed by The Liar in Chief!

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      b. Malin 5 years ago

      I guess I'd vote with the rest of you...Holder should go...and Hopefully Obama will too in 2012. Wonderful Hub Froggy, Great Comments!

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      Lynn S. Murphy 5 years ago

      Either way Holder needs to go as do the rest of the administration.

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      TheManWithNoPants 5 years ago from Tucson, Az.


      There isn't enough Washington dirt cover this thing up, but the race card is wild and this administration will play it any time you disagree with them, or try to hold them accountable. So, when confronted with an issue, " it's all George Bush's fault" or "you can blame it on the Republicans in Congress" or .. " This thing has racial overtones."

      That's all you need to know in order to be a successful liberal in Washington under this administration.

      Hope you get your hub re posted. My hub about the national debt got pulled over what they said was a watermark. It was the artist's name below the picture. I went ahead and replaced the picture, but it's been almost a week and I still haven't heard anything. Hmmmm ..


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      Kelly Umphenour 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO

      Hi Frog - I don't know about hub - (do you think a bot could have picked up the list and flagged it for content?) just curious about that.

      I'm surprised by the Fast and Furious! Um um ummm...why dint people learn that the truth does eventually always come out. That thought keeps me honest:) but I'm not getting paid to pull the wool over your eyes either;)

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      The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX

      OP - You, like me, remember what they did to Nixon back when. He didn't order the break in and that is a fact. But what he did was become complicit in his underlings covering the whole thing up. Extend that train of thought to Obama regarding Fast & Furious. Obama remains mute while his underlings partake on a massive cover up. I wonder if they still take White House conversations

      ? That was Nixon's error so probably not.Some of these youngsters don't have an idea of what I am talking about but history speaks for itself, if they bother to read it.

      The Frog

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      Old Poolman 5 years ago

      Good luck trying to find out what rule you supposedly violated with copied content. This issue alone would make a great hub that would never make it past the screeners.

      Most of us know that Holder was involved in this from the very beginning. Yet he lies, refuses to release documents, and makes of mockery of the so called Justice System. Holder is one of the worst snakes to ever crawl the halls of the White House, yet so far he does it with immunity. It would lead one to believe he is merely following orders and doesn't care to divulge who is issuing these orders. He needs to be fired ASAP and should do some time for his involvement in this whole thing.

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      breakfastpop 5 years ago

      Holder should be kicked out of office and not just for Fast and Furious. There is plenty of evidence out there that he runs a biased department that enforces the law as he sees fit. I watched him tell Congress that he didn't think it was a big deal if he testified that he found out about the operation a "few weeks" ago or a few "months" ago. When he said this he looked smug and quite confident that he was untouchable. You wrote a fine hub here and I, for one, would like to see the other hub that was taken down. Reporting the truth is important and it certainly shouldn't be regarded as unfit for publication. Up and awesome, useful and interesting

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      The Frog Princess 5 years ago from Florence area of the Great Pee Dee of South Carolina

      Plain and simple:

      Obama must GO

      Holder Must GO

      It's time for the American people to wake up; take our country back and get rid of these scumbags.