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DNC versus Russia which one has the most evidence actually influencing the Election?

Updated on December 31, 2017

I wrote this article in March of this year. It is now eight months later and nothing has changed.

Doesn't this seem like a colossal waste of time, energy and resource?

This continuing investigation by the democrats on Trump and Russia is also contaminating the 2018 election. It appears that is the plan and the goal of the democrats.

What do you think?


DNC versus Russia which one has the most evidence actually influencing the Election?

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YD

This doesn't answer the question that I based this hub.

? Who can we prove that actually influenced the 2016 Election?

Lets see how your comment here relates to the hub

yd wrote:

  • it's not about going to war with russia.
  • its about going to war WITH russia. FOR russia.
  • russia has crimea. if they want ukraine, trump turns blind eye?
  • haley already met with assad and gave the handshake....now we are bombing in syria.
  • our drone strikes have increased 432% since trump. and now they want to keep troop movements secret from the people of usa.

and sorry, reading your words...

  • .you seem to place putin in higher regard than our gvt.
  • and that tells me you dont know squat about putin. or, you watch and read rt. i used to, and i know how that goes. same with wiki and snowden.
  • its all anti american info, which might be true.....
  • but where is the anti russian stuff? where is the 9/11 stuff? you think putin is an angel??
  • watch the rise of vladimir putin, frontline. better yet, grab a cup of coffee, get comfy and read Adam Khan@Khanoisseur...
  • will blow yo mind. and this is why i always thought snowden was full of sh*t. because if hes got access, he has access to it all. just like wiki, they selective-leak. they tell you what they want you to know...

leave out the rest.

  • because, if betsy devos healthcare line was used as proxy for info from putin to trump....that means erik prince is involved. and erik prince goes back to iraq war. which goes back to 9/11.
  • which snowden and wiki have been silent on.
  • remember, assange went to work for vlad, and he is the one who arranged for snowden to go to russia. very curious to wonder which, if any, members of congress work for putin!
  • yes, i know how it goes. "people of donbass want to be with russia. we must continue to protect them"....really, its about that pipeline putin doesnt want to pay tax on for using anymore....especially once his 500 billion dollar russia/exxon deal goes thru....once the sanctions are lifted.....unless my hero prez obama has stopped that, as well *no drilling in arctic*
  • mind games, power games.....whose side are you on?

when i said you have to pick a side, who knew it would be between russia and usa??

life is strange. and im for usa

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B: yd there is nothing in that whole string of deflections that has to do with commenting on my hub.

I took the time in my last comment to enumerate my points, and you just ignored them.

1. ?Why didn't the DNC allow the FBI or any other government agency get access to the actual physical DNC servers?

  • -- How can the FBI and the other intel agencies make any conclusion on the alleged Russian Hacking. We have 17 intel agencies and there should have been 17 agencies doing independent testing. This has not been done period. It is even worse if the FBI had no interest in the DNC servers. Where is the I in the FBI? They also didn't put Hillary Clinton under Oath when they talked to her. They also gave immunity to her IT admin, and other staff members, but they never gave any testimony. So why were they given immunity? We know from all the leaks that Hillary lied about sending and receiving Classified Information on her private, unprotected, unauthorized private email servers. She deleted over 55,000 emails from that server while under congressional subpoena.

2. Too date only A private company CrowdStrike has been on the server, and they alone are making the claim.

  • -- Are you saying the CrowdStrike is an Intel Agency? They were the only ones to look at the DNC servers.

3.Are we supposed to go to war with Russia over this lack of proof?

  • ---- Where is the proof? and No one has denied that the emails were not TRUE, take the poll in this hub. If the Content of the emails is true should the Voters not have used it to factor into their voting decisions?
  • Take the poll in this hub. It is the information not the method of publishing that should be the focus here. CONTENT over Procedure!

4. Instead of a Hack by anyone, it could have simply been a Leak.

  • --How do we know leak from hack on the DNC servers. Podesta's password was "password". Even a Slacker that is not a Hacker could have cracked that code.

5. Where is the proof?

  • -- What is the proof? Proof of how the information got out. But we still need to deal with the content of the emails which should be investigated.
  • That investigation should have invalidated Hillary Clinton from the Democrat Primary. Bernie should have been the winner, and criminal actions should be brought against Hillary, DNC and all others that conspired to Influence the Election.
  • Yes, cheating Sanders is a major influence on the Election.
  • And there is more than sufficient information to Indict them all. And, we shouldn't allow people that engage in these kinds of nefarious activities to run for public office, especially for the US presidency.

6. how can we trust any of the US Intel agencies when NONE of them have done their own forensics on the DNC servers.

  • --- It has been 9 months, and seeing that they didn't even examine the DNC servers, what have they been doing since the primary?
  • They have been incidentally spying on the Trump team, and who doesn't believe that isn't the same as spying on Trump himself.
  • The intel agencies and especially the FBI and the CIA have found NOTHING.
  • They were on a 9 month fishing expedition, In addition, the CIA has been illegally operating in the US on private American Citizens. And you want us to trust them!

7. Remember, it is called Wiki LEAKS not Wiki HACKS.

DNC Wiki leaks

Was the content of the DNC server emails that were published by Wiki Leaks TRUE or FALSE?

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Who Actually Influenced the 2016 Presidential Elections?

Between Russia, and Hillary Clinton which one has more Evidence and Facts that point to Them?

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Wiki Leaked DNC Email Content

If the Content of the DNC emails was TRUE, then shouldn't the Voters have been able to use it, to make their voting decision about Hillary Clinton for President?

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The Democrats are investigating an Alleged Russian Influence in the 2016 presidential election

The democrats didn't have a problem with the 2016 presidential election until November 8, 2016.

On November 9, 2016 and continuing now, the democrats have alleged that it was the Russians that influenced the outcome of the presidential election.

  • They allege that Hillary Clinton should have won the presidency, and that it was the Russians that leaked the contents of the DNC emails that proved the DNC and Hillary Clinton, and of course John Podesta actually cheated and forced out the democratic opponent of Hillary Clinton.
  • They also claimed it was FBI director James Comey because he first closed the Hillary Clinton investigation without charging her for Gross Negligence by changing it to Extremely Careless to avoid the wording in the law.
  • But Extremely Careless is Gross Negligence and neither neither to have intent. Additionally, it is the job for the DOJ to decided whether to bring criminal charges and Comey was out of place to do it.
  • The Leaked Emails were just that leaked and they should have been in evidence from the FBI investigation. These emails were genuine and not fabricated so they should have been brought to the attention of the people and the voters.
  • It started with the fake advantage of the Democrat Super Delegates.
  • They were already bought and paid for even before the election campaign started.
  • This gave an artificial lead for Hillary Clinton in the Democrat Primary.
  • The democrats only put five candidates up for the presidency.
  • Three of the five were easily intimidated and left the race early.
  • Bernie Sander got off to a slow start and it looked like an impossible race for him to win the primary. Mostly because of the rigged super delegates.
  • With the super delegate lead for Hillary and the Sanders first few states not giving him any kind of help, it looked like Bernie Sanders would just fail to finish.
  • Hillary Clinton tried to focus on the republicans, and Donald Trump was not her target. She most likely thought it would be Jeb Bush. Maybe Rubio, Cruz, or even Kasich. There was also Rand Paul, and even Chris Christie.
  • No one in either party thought that Donald Trump had a chance
  • And Hillary couldn't target any of the Republican Candidates until sixteen of them left and only one republican was standing.
  • As the Republican Primary whittled down starting in May 2016, Bernie Sanders started to win one state after another. This prevented Hillary Clinton from targeting the republican candidates.
  • Jeb Bush withdrew early in February 2106. This was supposed to be Hillary's republican presidential candidate opponent. At that point it really didn't matter, because Hillary had her hands filled with Bernie Sanders.



So by the time it was evident that it might be Donald Trump, Hillary still had to deal with Bernie Sanders.

Meanwhile as the Republican primary race continued, it was still a four person race. And Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, and John Kasich were even trying to tag team themselves against Donald Trump.

  • Even though Donald Trump was looking like he had a chance, these three started to get serious about taking him out of the race.

It didn't work, Trump took the lead and by May 2016 he was the last republican standing.

  • However, Bernie Sanders would still be in the democrat primary until July 26. 2016.
  • And he was winning more states than Hillary the gap was closing to where even the super delegate lead of Hillary might not be enough.


Hillary had to focus on democrat Bernie Sanders until she and the DNC got him out of the race.

This is the substance of who we can actually prove Influenced the 2016 presidential election.

  • The content of the Wiki Leaks showed the John Podesta, and the rest of the DNC staff conspired to take Bernie Sanders out of the race.
  • Hillary Clinton was given questions in the debate, giving her an advantage over Bernie Sanders. Wiki Leaks published emails to Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta that clearly state interim DNC chairwoman Donna Brazile fed debate questions to Hillary Clinton in advance.
  • WikiLeaks dumped more than 19,000 emails from the DNC vindicated a longstanding complaint of Bernie Sanders — that the they actively worked against him and his campaign against Hillary Clinton.


Here comes the Red Herring from Hillary Clinton and the DNC.

What the democrats have done and continue to do is take the Focus OFF the Content of the Leaks and put a sp

  • The source of the leak has not been revealed,
  • Now here comes the fade away from the veracity of the content in the leaks.

Here comes the Red Herring or the Distraction that is still being used even today.

  • Hillary Clinton's campaign manager, Robby Mook, said on ABC News' "This Week With George Stephanopoulos" on Sunday that he believes the Russians were instrumental in it.

Even if that were true, the Russians didn't write or rewrite the content of the leaks, which put Hillary Clinton and the DNC in a bad light. And that is important. Remember, it is her campaign manager that has a Belief, not a fact, and that is not a proof.

It continues

"Experts are telling us that Russian state actors broke into the DNC, took all these emails and now are leaking them out through these websites," Mook said Sunday.

  • "Experts" What experts, What proof, What Russian State Actors?
  • How do they know that anyone Broke into the DNC?

"It's troubling that some experts are now telling us that this was done by the Russians for the purpose of helping Donald Trump.

  • "Some Experts", who are these experts, and what experts are not saying it was the Russians.

Regardless of who was behind the leak, the fallout for the DNC was severe.

Just one day before the Democratic convention was set to begin, DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz announced her resignation, effective at the end of the week. And as expected, Sanders supporters, hundreds of whom are delegates at the convention, are furious about the content of the emails.

The fact is that Hillary Clinton, John Podesta, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Donna Brazzille just to name a few were mentioned in these Emails and what they did to get Bernie out of the Race, and that should be the focus of how the 2016 Presidential Race was Influenced.

It was influenced by Hillary Clinton, the DNC and even Bernie Sanders.

  • The emails also indicated that in order for Bernie Sanders to even get into the democrat primary race, he had to agree that he would let Hillary Clinton win the democrat primary.
  • In return, he would be able to get his main key points into the WH through Hillary Clinton.
  • However, it turned out the Hillary didn't abide by some of his key points, and the real race was on. But in the end, Hillary and the DNC would coerce Sanders to leave the race.
  • To Hillary and the DNC, Bernie Sanders was not one them, you know democrats.
  • In essence, Bernie Sanders let down his supporters.

in on the Delivery of the Leaks.

  • In law, there is a saying, SUBSTANCE over PROCEDURE
  • What this means is that even if there is a fault in the procedure, the content or Substance is more important than a procedural error that might have technically made the evidence or the facts eliminated from the trial.

Here Hillary Clinton and the DNC don't even try to argue the validity or veracity of the content and information in the Wiki Leaks, They are crying foul because their emails were leaked.

It wasn't the Russians that influenced the 2016 presidential race

The democrats cheated their democrat primary.

And the Republicans worked against Donald Trump all along the race.

Their were also all those democrat created instances where Trump was intentionally put in a bad light by Hillary. Like Sanders, Trump was not a Republican, and even worse the professional politicians didn't see him as qualified.

  • Yet he took down their best candidates until he was the last candidate.

Things that had a negative influence against Trump were the allegations of sexual abuse by Donald Trump.

  • The parade of women and their representation by attorney Gloria Allred.
  • The big one was from NBC when they leaked a illegally recorded conversation between Billy Bush and Donald Trump. You know the one, where all the women in the world were now calling Trump names that they never called president Clinton who had actual misdeds instead of just conversation.
  • That was an influence, and it was not the Russians, it was NBC, and the rest of the main stream media.

So where is the Investigation of the DNC and NBC?

Remember that the FBI requested to have the DNC servers given to them to investigate the alleged email hacking, and the DNC REFUSED.

To date, March 31,2017 only Crowd Strike is alleged to have the Russians hack, and NO Government agency has been allowed to do their own investigation on the server.


  • A hacker claiming responsibility for the DNC hack that made headlines earlier this week has slammed the security company(Crowd Strike) responsible for the incident response, and leaked several documents compromised during the incident – including a 235-page opposition memo on Donald Trump.
  • Washington Post story on the hackers – believed to be Russian – compromised the DNC network and walked off with opposition research on Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump.
  • CrowdStrike, the security firm that was brought in to do incident response, suggested espionage as the likely motive.
  • This is non factual speculation by Crowd Strike, and even today it is not FACT. It needs to be Investigated by the Government and to do that they need to get the DNC servers.
  • Crowd Strike reported on two different "APT" groups in Russia, giving them the names Cozy Bear and Fancy Bear.
  • Again, this is their allegations and it is Not a Fact even today!

The cry of the Democrats that the Russians Influenced the 2016 Election is being investigated by the House and Senate Intelligence Committees.


But without some government agency or all of the government intelligence agencies doing Independent Tests on the actual DNC servers that were alleged to be hacked by the Russian, the investigation is just a farce.


Why did the DNC refuse to FBI Request to investigate thier alleged hacked servers?

This Russian Red Herring by the Democrats has been going on for Nine months.

  • It is time for them to deliver the baby or call it a miscarriage.

There can be NO Valid Conclusion to the Investigation by Congress on the Validity and Veracity of the Democrat Claim that the Russians Did it.

But there is plenty of evidence to show that Hillary Clinton, and the DNC did effectively infuence the 2016 Election by getting Bernie Sanders to leave the democrat primary race.

There are undisputed facts with that election influence, while there a zero facts in the claim that the Russians Influenced the presidential election.


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      bradmasterOCcal 12 months ago from Orange County California

      Keep the question in mind when you read the comments. ·

      Were facts used to support the answer? ·

      Did the person stay on the question? ·

      How much of the comments were pure opinions. ·

      How much of the comments were just emotional feelings?

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      bradmasterOCcal 12 months ago from Orange County California

      Too date there have been no facts or evidence of Russians being involved in the 2016 election. This then also removes any allegations by the DNC, HRC and liberals that Donald Trump was in any way involved with the Russians.

      Also, there is more evidence that the Obama administration was involved in spying on Trump and his people before, during and after the election.

      So what is your take?

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      bradmasterOCcal 12 months ago from Orange County California

      I had a problem today trying to post comments. I would enter my comment and click the post comment button and nothing would happen. I rebooted my system, signed in and out several times on hp and it still wouldn't post. Now it seems to work. But in the interim, I just put the comment in the hub itself.

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      Ken Burgess 12 months ago from Florida

      It is truly amazing, how varied the perceptions and 'facts' can be between people.

      Never before has it been so clear that we are living in a Propaganda state only out done (to this point anyways) by the Third Reich itself.

      The other day, when the information about Rice and the Obama administration being directly responsible for the unmasking of Trump and his associates, and for spreading far and wide information meant to harm Trump and his supporters throughout the Intelligence Community. CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC... the MSM gave it NO COVERAGE at all.

      Eli Lake of Bloomberg reported Yesterday that:

      "White House lawyers last month learned that the former national security adviser Susan Rice requested the identities of U.S. persons in raw intelligence reports on dozens of occasions that connect to the Donald Trump transition and campaign, according to U.S. officials familiar with the matter.

      The pattern of Rice’s requests was discovered in a National Security Council review of the government’s policy on “unmasking” the identities of individuals in the U.S. who are not targets of electronic eavesdropping, but whose communications are collected incidentally.

      Normally those names are redacted from summaries of monitored conversations and appear in reports as something like “U.S. Person One.” But in this case, the information was collected, and later disseminated throughout the Intelligence services (which had never been done before and required Obama and his cohorts to circumvent the law and classification rules on raw intelligence).

      The Obama Administration wanted to push as much information they had gathered on Trump and his associates throughout the intelligence community, and to keep the reports at a relatively low classification level to ensure as wide a readership as possible across the government and, in some cases, among European (NATO) allies.

      They posted as much as possible to Intellipedia, a secret wiki used by American analysts to share information. Essentially what they did was wikileak everything they could gather on the incoming Administration, so that it would be available to use against them by their 'allies' in the halls of D.C. against the incoming President.

      There was also an effort to pass reports and other sensitive materials to Congress. In one instance, the State Department sent a cache of documents marked “secret” to Senator Benjamin Cardin of Maryland days before the Jan. 20 inauguration.

      The intent is obvious, we have seen their intentions with the leaking of information on Flynn, and then Sessions, this was all planned... all a well devised effort to handicap, harass, and eventually 'overthrow' the Trump Presidency.

      Its devious, its clever, it would be far more damaging and effective if these efforts weren't being run by a bunch of buffoons like Pelosi, Waters, and CNN.

      But the truth is, these efforts are being run by true nitwits, and there are still a couple REAL news sources out there (IE - Bloomberg, Fox) that keep exposing the truth, and eventually this will all come falling back down on those trying to pull this fabrication/deception off.

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      Old Poolman 12 months ago

      No Leslie, those were not witch hunts. They were legitimate investigations that were shut down and covered up by Obama and his Justice Department.

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      Old Poolman 12 months ago

      Leslie, most of what you write about only exists in your own little world. Your extreme hatred must make you very unhappy and miserable.

      By the way, you didn't answer my question. What has been taken away from you since Trump became President?

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      bradmasterOCcal 12 months ago from Orange County California

      All of a sudden, I can post comments again?

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      Old Poolman 12 months ago

      Leslie, exactly how has your life become worse since Trump was elected?

      Be specific on what it is that has been taken away from you following the election and I'll respond to you. I have asked many liberals the same question and have not gotten any answers so far. Perhaps you could go down in history by answering this question.

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      Cape Wind Girl 12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      i was responding to ken. since i have answered you twice already! i take the ncci and fbi grizzly beare report as proof. furthermore, ive read a lot on putin and a lot on trump....with documents to prove it! two bigger organized criminals you wont see. money laundering, human trafficking, casino fixing....you name it. and wikileaks took hacked stolen material and spread it around ...leaks/hacks....whats the diff if they spread it? they are spreaders of hacks.....for one side only....you wont hear putins secrets there....or trumps.

      just as you and your buds only see one side. ive been on your side...and came back home.

      back to usa....hell w putin. and same goes for trump. hes got no loyalty to america....look how he treats 70% of us!

      I've got a boomerang for that guy....lock HIM up! and flynn. loyalty to other countries....not here.

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      bradmasterOCcal 12 months ago from Orange County California

      Ken, Thanks for the comment on Russia, Syria and I agree that they are not something that we need to take the military stance that was started by president Obama.

      Leslie keeps deflecting us from answering the question. Instead of responding to my comments she goes off on a tangent. I enumerated my comment so that she could answer them specifically.

      Thanks

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      Ken Burgess 12 months ago from Florida

      Yes Dear, you read peoples opinions, you watch tv/internet shows, but what do you know?

      Have you been anywhere near Russia? Have you ever talked with people from Russia, from the Ukraine?

      In your readings did you learn of the Russian and Ukraine histories?

      Do you know the history of Russia and Ukraine, do you know this has been going on for as long as Russia and the Ukraine have existed... a constant back and forth over who controls it (Poland vs Russia hundreds of years ago to NATO vs Russia now)?

      Do you know what the connections are between Syria, Libya and Iraq, and why we have destroyed all three?

      Iraq, Syria and Libya were among the countries who allied with the Soviets in the Cold War. The regimes in these countries were supported and supplied by the Soviets, the 'responsibility' was later inherited by Russia. This continued after the end of the Cold War in the 1990s.

      We don't belong getting in a war over Ukraine or Syria with Russia, but the power behind NATO wants it. Doesn't mean you should want it, or back it, or think its right.

      This is all about $$$$ and power, those nations under the influence of NATO, not Russia, and of course getting control of Russia itself, and its resources.

      Take down Russia, and if we survive that without a Nuclear War, we pivot and focus in on China next.

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      Cape Wind Girl 12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      it's not about going to war with russia. its about going to war WITH russia. FOR russia. russia has crimea. if they want ukraine, trump turns blind eye? haley already met with assad and gave the handshake....now we are bombing in syria. our drone strikes have increased 432% since trump. and now they want to keep troop movements secret from the people of usa.

      and sorry, reading your words....you seem to place putin in higher regard than our gvt. and that tells me you dont know squat about putin. or, you watch and read rt. i used to, and i know how that goes. same with wiki and snowden. its all anti american info, which might be true.....but where is the anti russian stuff? where is the 9/11 stuff? you think putin is an angel??

      watch the rise of vladimir putin, frontline. better yet, grab a cup of coffee, get comfy and read Adam Khan@Khanoisseur...

      will blow yo mind. and this is why i always thought snowden was full of sh*t. because if hes got access, he has access to it all. just like wiki, they selective-leak. they tell you what they want you to know...

      leave out the rest.

      because, if betsy devos healthcare line was used as proxy for info from putin to trump....that means erik prince is involved. and erik prince goes back to iraq war. which goes back to 9/11.

      which snowden and wiki have been silent on.

      remember, assange went to work for vlad, and he is the one who arranged for snowden to go to russia. very curious to wonder which, if any, members of congress work for putin!

      yes, i know how it goes. "people of donbass want to be with russia. we must continue to protect them"....really, its about that pipeline putin doesnt want to pay tax on for using anymore....especially once his 500 billion dollar russia/exxon deal goes thru....once the sanctions are lifted.....unless my hero prez obama has stopped that, as well *no drilling in arctic*

      mind games, power games.....whose side are you on?

      when i said you have to pick a side, who knew it would be between russia and usa??

      life is strange. and im for usa

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      Ken Burgess 12 months ago from Florida

      Its not about "why people rooting for Putin"...

      So sad, I can have a more intellectually stimulating conversation with my ten year old.

      So...lets say we go to war with Russia, for whatever excuses they drum up to go to war with them.... how many countries does this make now?... there was Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and now Russia.

      Who is the bad guy again?

      What has Russia done, that you KNOW for certain they have done? Support their ally in Syria? Give some military support to a faction in the Ukraine?

      That is the equivalent of America fighting with the Drug Lords in Mexico, and messing around with on goings there... how would it look if Russia came to Mexico's defense and deployed ten thousand tanks, fifteen thousand missiles, and countless additional military supports to Mexico's border?

      Because what America has done, along with other allies in Nato, is deployed that large of a military force along Russia's border.

      What will American's gain from a war with Russia?

      Nothing... maybe another few thousand dead, another ten thousand crippled soldiers... if we are lucky.

      If we are not lucky, we start a nuclear war.

      We kill tens of thousands of Russians for what?

      Because someone is supposedly upset that the Russians exposed who Clinton really is, how she and Podesta and the DNC work?

      That is a terrible crime... exposing for all to see, how CNN tried to give Clinton every advantage... how the DNC stole the election from Bernie... how little Clinton, Podesta, and the others think of the 'deplorables' by which they mean every hard working American in the country that isn't part of their 'elite' outlook on the world.

      I gave you the answers as to why they are pursuing a war with Russia, why they want to blame Russia from 'hacking' the election, for 'invading' the Ukriane, etc. etc. and you want to ask "so why people rooting for Putin?"

      Its simple, because some of us aren't interested in the corrupt, conniving Billionaires and Trillionaires, the Military Industrial Complex and the International Energy Corporations greedy desires to destroy Russia (and Putin) for the sake of their greed and power... at our expense, and the expense of countless innocent Russians who have no desire to fight us.

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      bradmasterOCcal 12 months ago from Orange County California

      1. ?Why didn't the DNC allow the FBI or any other government agency get access to the actual physical DNC servers?

      -- How can the FBI and the other intel agencies make any conclusion on the alleged Russian Hacking. We have 17 intel agencies and there should have been 17 agencies doing independent testing. This has not been done period. It is even worse if the FBI had no interest in the DNC servers. Where is the I in the FBI? They also didn't put Hillary Clinton under Oath when they talked to her. They also gave immunity to her IT admin, and other staff members, but they never gave any testimony. So why were they given immunity? We know from all the leaks that Hillary lied about sending and receiving Classified Information on her private, unprotected, unauthorized private email servers. She deleted over 55,000 emails from that server while under congressional subpoena.

      2. Too date only A private company CrowdStrike has been on the server, and they alone are making the claim.

      -- Are you saying the CrowdStrike is an Intel Agency? They were the only ones to look at the DNC servers.

      3.Are we supposed to go to war with Russia over this lack of proof?

      ---- Where is the proof? and No one has denied that the emails were not TRUE, take the poll in this hub. If the Content of the emails is true should the Voters not have used it to factor into their voting decisions? Take the poll in this hub. It is the information not the method of publishing that should be the focus here. CONTENT over Procedure!

      4. Instead of a Hack by anyone, it could have simply been a Leak.

      --How do we know leak from hack on the DNC servers. Podesta's password was "password". Even a Slacker that is not a Hacker could have cracked that code.

      5. Where is the proof?

      -- What is the proof? Proof of how the information got out. But we still need to deal with the content of the emails which should be investigated. That investigation should have invalidated Hillary Clinton from the Democrat Primary. Bernie should have been the winner, and criminal actions should be brought against Hillary, DNC and all others that conspired to Influence the Election. Yes, cheating Sanders is a major influence on the Election. And there is more than sufficient information to Indict them all. And, we shouldn't allow people that engage in these kinds of nefarious activities to run for public office, especially for the US presidency.

      6. how can we trust any of the US Intel agencies when NONE of them have done their own forensics on the DNC servers.

      --- It has been 9 months, and seeing that they didn't even examine the DNC servers, what have they been doing since the primary? They have been incidentally spying on the Trump team, and who doesn't believe that isn't the same as spying on Trump himself. The intel agencies and especially the FBI and the CIA have found NOTHING. They were on a 9 month fishing expedition, In addition, the CIA has been illegally operating in the US on private American Citizens. And you want us to trust them!

      7. Remember, it is called Wiki LEAKS not Wiki HACKS.

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      Cape Wind Girl 12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      and stay tuned. seems the communication between trump/putin ie trump tower/alfa bank went through betsy devos.

      you know, Erik prince sister.

      you know, blackwater.

      this will make watergate look like kindygarden

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      Cape Wind Girl 12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      i answered you. read the links. but you dont answer me.

      nor does poolman

      nor did the other one

      dnc says they offered servers to fbi. no interest.

      russia is known for this stuff. not the first time at bat.

      our intel caught known russian ris. and assange has been w putin since putin bailed him out in 2011.

      just like russians financed trump. its not rocket science, and anyone can find supporting documents.

      wiki server went to russia oct of 2016. arm of kremlin. anti american.

      or i suppose obama kicked out diplomats on a whim?

      i believe us intel. thats good enough for me.

      and we go to war for self-defense.....id say hacking our election is a strong warning.

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      bradmasterOCcal 12 months ago from Orange County California

      1. ?Why didn't the DNC allow the FBI or any other government agency get access to the actual physical DNC servers?

      2. Too date only A private company CrowdStrike has been on the server, and they alone are making the claim.

      3.Are we supposed to go to war with Russia over this lack of proof?

      4. Instead of a Hack by anyone, it could have simply been a Leak.

      5. Where is the proof?

      6. how can we trust any of the US Intel agencies when NONE of them have done their own forensics on the DNC servers.

      7. Remember, it is called Wiki LEAKS not Wiki HACKS.

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      Cape Wind Girl 12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      thus, the trumpites. insult, speak for me, dont take the answer i give, while refusing to answer themselves.

      complete lack of character and honesty....just like trump.

      divided states.

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      Old Poolman 12 months ago

      Brad, Keep in mind that for Leslie everything said about Hillary is a total lie, but everything said about Trump is the absolute truth. Her hatred of Trump and anyone with more money than her must be greedy and probably stole the money from poor people.

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      bradmasterOCcal 12 months ago from Orange County California

      ?Why didn't the DNC allow the FBI or any other government agency to get access to the actual physical DNC servers? Too date only A private company CrowdStrike has been on the server, and they alone are making the claim.

      Are we supposed to go to war with Russia over this lack of proof? Instead of a Hack by anyone, it could have simply been a Leak.

      Where is the proof? And how can we trust any of the US Intel agencies when none of them have done their own forensics on the DNC servers. Remember, also it is called Wiki LEAKS not Wiki HACKS.

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      Cape Wind Girl 12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      I did. joint report between nccic and fbi.

      wikiserver moved to russia...wiki in effect is russian intel.

      wiki leaked the stolen docs.

      17 intel agencies agree it was russia.

      thats enough proof for me. why do you believe russia over usa?

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      bradmasterOCcal 12 months ago from Orange County California

      yd - we are still waiting for you to answer my original question.

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      Cape Wind Girl 12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Fox news...release your tax returns! its about american security.

      https://youtu.be/VlwP0v9yY28

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      Cape Wind Girl 12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      grizzly steppe:

      https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/fbi-dhs-russia-ele...

      oct 23, 2016.....wikiserver in russia

      https://nationonenews.com/2016/10/23/wikileaks-web...

      we're not going to war against russia...we are going to war with russia and assad.

      the trump presidency....the gift that keeps on giving to putin.

      Once the sanctions are lifted....i hope you can see straight.

      and why is it you dont believe our intel? why do you believe russia instead? can just one of you answer that?

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      bradmasterOCcal 12 months ago from Orange County California

      yd has once again thrown red herrings instead of answering the question.

      Who can we prove that actually influenced the 2016 Election?

      ?Why didn't the DNC allow the FBI or any other government agency to get access to the actual physical DNC servers? Too date only A private company CrowdStrike has been on the server, and they alone are making the claim.

      Are we supposed to go to war with Russia over this lack of proof? Instead of a Hack by anyone, it could have simply been a Leak.

      Where is the proof? And how can we trust any of the US Intel agencies when none of them have done their own forensics on the DNC servers. Remember, also it is called Wiki LEAKS not Wiki HACKS.

      Thanks to all that have taken the poll

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      Cape Wind Girl 12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      so, ill ask you.....do you believe russia hacked our election to help trump win?

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      Paula 12 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Ken Thank you so much. All very pertinent & valuable information. There's nothing more valuable than KNOWING facts and understanding them, to include the history and reasons. Only then can we form intelligent opinions and have a firm grasp on answers to all the questions and issues the entire world finds relevant.

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      Cape Wind Girl 12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      well, if my words bother you, id say you have the problem. only a trump/putin fan seeks to shut people up.

      real americans believe in free speech.

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      Paula 12 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Les.....About 6 comments up.....you claimed to be LEAVING this thread because you just can't stand the lies... LOL.....Just more of your melodramatic BS? You're such a confused, mixed up creature, poor thing. Say what you mean and mean what you say. If you're LEAVING..leave &.stay gone! Just further proof you flap words to see your delusions in print...nothing more, nothing less. Blah blah blah, spew spew spit!...give it a rest, girl.

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      Cape Wind Girl 12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      begs the question....why people rooting for putin?

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      Ken Burgess 12 months ago from Florida

      For the sake of Paula and Mike, I will address the Russia issue a bit further :

      Anders Rasmussen, who led the NATO alliance between 2009 and 2014, said Mr Putin “only respects a firm hand” when dealing with other world leaders and said Nato needs to intervene to protect the vulnerable Baltic states. 

      He said: “The US must increase support for Nato's eastern flank, set up military bases wherever Russia is threatening the freedom and livelihood of US allies, and whole-heartedly protect Ukraine against future Russian aggression.

      This is what Obama was pursuing, and what Clinton would have continued, a military intervention against Russia... but for more than what they are stating.

      The Truth is, that there is up to 40 Trillion dollars (most likely just over 20 Trillion) in oil and gas resources in the North Pole region which is now becoming accessible due to the warming/melting of the North Pole, there are also trade routes now open for a few months of the year, and should this warming trend continue, control of the region will be more valuable than control over the Middle East and the Suez Canal combined.

      Let me say that again... control over the North Pole Region, in specific the part that directly falls under the control of Russia according to accepted maps prior to recent events... is worth, by today's standards, over 20 TRILLION dollars... not including the control of a sea trade route that would be more valuable than Suez and Panama combined.

      "Denmark Eyes North Pole, but How Much Oil and Gas Await?"

      "Oil and the race for the North Pole - Marketplace"

      "Race for Arctic oil poses $43 trillion risk to global economy "

      Now you should know that Europe is dependent upon Russia for its supply of Oil and Natural Gas... recent events have redirected world resources to Europe to counter (for a short time only) this dependency, and OPEC and America has increased its production of Oil and Natural Gas to historic levels (they will report the opposite officially, in some instances) so that they can devalue the price of oil and gas, and force Russia into an economic collapse (along with their sanctions against Russia).

      Years ago we declared an economic war on Russia, which has yet to cause its collapse (though some reports say it is only a matter of months)... or force its hand into an act of war so that NATO can destroy Putin and Russia, and subject it to a 'banana republic' so that Europe/U.N./Nato can control those resources.

      Of course we will use the excuse that they are a threat, that they are 'invading' the Ukraine... which, you know, used to be part of Russia. And also used to be part of the Soviet Bloc... and also is right on the Russian border a short distance from Moscow... but hey, so long as we have an excuse.

      Understand, that if Russia was Argentina, Somalia, or some other resource worthless nation and they were massacring entire populations of nearby nations... we wouldn't be doing much more than giving lip service that they should stop.

      But Russia is now sitting on the biggest untapped resource in the world, and what will soon become the most important trade route in the world... and there is no way Europe/NATO/U.N. is going to sit by and let Russia dictate who gets access to those resources or that trade route.

      Well... Yes Dear said something right after all... follow the money she said... and the North Pole, trade route(s) included, is worth no less than 50 Trillion dollars to the ones who control it.

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      Cape Wind Girl 12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      annnnnd could not answer most of what i asked you....i see why you're done.

      watch "the rise of vladimir putin".

      and then look up why russians are so angry at medvedev.

      heres a clue: behind every great fortune is a crime....and trust me.....it holds true here.

      crime upon crime.....just like donald.

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      Old Poolman 12 months ago

      Leslie, how in the world would I know how Putin got his money? In fact, how would you know? It would seem that to you anyone who has money is just pure evil. Perhaps you should take a hard look at the net worth of most of our elected representatives on both sides of the aisle.

      I still don't see where Trump declared war on any country. He did say it was time to try to put a stop to the growing threat of ISIS in their own strongholds. But then you most likely don't view ISIS as a threat like most everyone on the left.

      I'm done with this now so have a good day.

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      Cape Wind Girl 12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      lots of them. but im on phone, and dont know how to copy n paste. just google it. "trump war in syria?"...reason.com, nation.com, common dreams.com, observer.com....lots of them. and now please answer my questions...about witch hunts, how putin got so rich, why do you believe russia and not usa, and do you trumpites consider the usa gvt an enemy?

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      Paula 12 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Ken....I am framing your most recent response of truth,& Facts to Miss Leslie (who seems to have an identity issue w/ her many names).....

      YOU are my Hero. It is what it is and all the tantrums and foot-stomping in the world, does not change it.

      Lib-looneys are beyond desperate~~fraying at the seams~~grasping at straws. (Basically, downright fabricating)

      I love your calm, cool presentation of bullet points!!

      (Can't wait to see what crap she spews next. All she is, frankly, is a form of entertainment....& not even good entertainment.) PJ

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      Old Poolman 12 months ago

      Leslie, I must have missed the news when we declared war on any country since Trump has been our President. Do you have a link to that information?

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      Cape Wind Girl 12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      not the enemy...our gvt!...

      unless you consider our gvt the enemy, which is the inference i get from trumpites..

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      Old Poolman 12 months ago

      Leslie - What law says we have to advise our enemy when we are coming and where we will send our troops?

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      Cape Wind Girl 12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      "just what lbj did before amping up the vietnam war"....hiding his moves

      i thought congress declared war?

      and leave it to trumpites to deride a president for following the law.

      also ignoring anything they dont want to answer.

      were the benghazi, emails, and planned parenthood hearings also witch-hunts?

      how did good guy putin ammass $85 billion+?

      why do you believe russian military intel: "putin did not hack dnc"

      why do you not believe usa intel: "putin hacked dnc"

      ???

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      Old Poolman 12 months ago

      Leslie, most all of us could waste an hour of our lives debating the comment you just made. but it would be a total waste of time.

      Only one of your comments is worth any discussion at all. The Obama administration was great at giving our enemy advance notice of exactly when and were our troops were being sent. Then they tied the hands of our military and basically told them not to fight back when they encountered the enemy. Even you can see how stupid this was on the part of that administration.

      I could go on and on but as stated earlier it would be a total waste of my time and your time.

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      Cape Wind Girl 12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      venezuela didnt hack the dnc. its really that simple.

      we are talking about dirty tricks used to elect trump.

      oh, and this endless war that you bash obama for at least used to have some guidelines. your boy has done away with that.

      this adm has stopped disclosing troop deployments in Iraq and Syria, and has lifted obamas civilian protection rules for airstrikes and commando raids in somalia.....

      "bomb the sh*t out of them" "kill their families".....

      you think we forget his words....we remember them all. and take them literally.

      remember: putin and assad brutally slaughtered people in alleppo....after a cease fire was called.

      trump is aligning with them...got the ball rolling with nikki haley.

      nikki akso signalled our alignment with netanyahu.

      the trifecta of terror will be putin/trump/netanyahu....

      and you can divert and point fingers all you want.

      your "truth" is rejected by many...get used to it. you are the establishment now.

      we are the opposition.

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      Ken Burgess 12 months ago from Florida

      yesdear, mychris, or whatever you call yourself tomorrow...

      I really shouldn't respond, its like trying to talk sense to someone strung out LSD and Mushrooms... but lets have some fun.

      All the rambling about Putin you just typed... he's this, he's done that, where'd he get the money... why do you care?

      Is that our problem? No it is not.

      What about the dictator(s) in Venezuela? China? North Korea? Since when is it America's job to decide who is fit to rule, and how they can rule?

      And you say "its been theorized that Putin is behind the 'refugee' crisis to destabilize the EU"

      Hmmmm... who funded and weaponized the 'revolutionaries' against the Syrian government?

      America/Obama

      Who destabilized Libya?

      America/Obama

      Who allowed Iraq to slip back into disarray?

      America/Obama

      Who is responsible for the refugee migration?

      America/Obama

      Who amassed thousands of tanks, missiles, artillery along the Russian border right before he left office, inching America as close to a World War as we have been since 1945.

      America/Obama

      Just what right do we have to be influencing elections and amassing an army in former Soviet Bloc nations, especially ones directly bordered with, and previously part of Russia itself?

      What right do we have to stick our noses in Russia's business?

      We don't have any right. We are still dicking around in Afghanistan and Iraq... maybe we should finish up with all our interference in the Middle East before we go start a new war in Europe.

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      Cape Wind Girl 12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      im having a hard time understanding how putin is such a great guy....

      didnt your guy blast hillary for making $200,000 on a speech? you two seem outraged by american politician's "getting rich" through office.....

      putin has been rumored to be worth anywhere between 100 to 200 billion dollars. 85 billion can be verified. any idea how he aquired all that wealth?

      that ok with you??

      do you suppose that is what trump admires about him?

      and what of the putin protests in russia?? the protest leader as well as thousands of others were arrested.

      is that free speech?

      he poisoned an opponent...twice. that admirable to you?

      baltic states, sweden and norway on high alert...fearing attack from russia. do you think this might be why putin wants nato gone....free reign for himself?

      its been theorized putin is creating refugees to destabilize the eu.

      and its known he uses propaganda tactics against people he wants gone. as he did here, with the theft and distribution of private info from an american political candidate for prez.

      you ok with all that....whatever.

      i dont consider that particularly pro American. as i think trump is out for trump, inc...using america to enrich himself. much like putin uses russia...

      and if you want to keep saying its good that putin hacked hillary...he did it to rubio, too.

      and if you think its great that private info was shared....we're waiting for trump and sanders private emails.

      or...we could just start with trump tax returns.... hillary released 30 yrs worth....what is trump hiding?

      sorry....your ideas come from a far right perspective....doesn't make them truth.

      distorting history is a long-valued tradition.

      and finding truth is like walking through a landmine.

      follow the money.

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      bradmasterOCcal 12 months ago from Orange County California

      Ken

      An excellent compendium of the prelude to the current events that seem to have forgotten or never cared to find out this information. Too many people today only read the headlines and then clone that information wrapped in their personal opinion out to the Internet World as Gospel.

      Russia didn't create any of the problems involved with the 2016 US presidential election. So your comment is a great refresher of how we got here today, based on events that preceded even the election campaign.

      The Russian connection is factually tied to Hillary Clinton, the DNC and president Obama. Sec of State Clinton and President Obama sold 20% of US Uranium production to Russia and there wasn't any negative criticism from the press or the republicans.

      I agree with your statement that president Obama and his administration clearly wanted to influence the Russia Ukraine relationship to make it look like Russia was a threat to NATO nations. Using the DNC and Liberal mindset, this should have been treated by Russia as influencing the domain of a sovereign country of Russia. And Russia should have immediately attacked the US in some way.

      Even the president Obama action of throwing out Russians from the US was meant to ratchet up tensions between the US and Russia. And dump it into the lap of president Donald Trump. But Putin didn't bite.

      Yet, it was of no concern to congress to investigate the motives of president Obama and the democrats.

      We have been in wars for most of the last 100 years, but we haven't won any of them. For example, many on the left say that we didn't lose the Korean War, it was fought to a truce. Well a Truce is not a win, it is more like a deferred war. And today as it has been for several decades a mounting threat from North Korea to break the truce. And maybe even first strike with a nuclear weapon.

      Trump wants the NATO countries to take care of their own instead of the US picking up the defense tab. And that is what we have done with the UN. If NATO and the UN have any chance of continuing then they need to change their ideas about the United States.

      One way is to exist without the US being the integral part of their organization. The EU and all the countries that want to leave or stay in the EU needs to be sorted out before their is any involvement by the US.

      Thanks again.

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      Ken Burgess 12 months ago from Florida

      There is so much that precludes whatever "influence" Russia had in the 2016 election.

      First, as Secretary of State, Clinton headed the efforts of America to undermine elections in the Ukraine, in Russia, and Georgia, now one could say it was the efforts of the CIA, the Shadow Government, the Establishment, the World Bank, the IMF, the Global NWO efforts... whatever and who-ever you believe in, one or some of them, often one and the same.

      Just prior to Putin coming into power, Russia was on the verge of economic collapse, terrorism was encroaching on society (much in the way it is in Europe today) they were reeling... and along comes Putin.

      Putin restores economic viability, job growth, prosperity, he aligns the old alliance with Georgia, creates new ones with China, and has his country becoming a world power again.

      Most importantly, he paid down his nation's debt, and told the WB and other Banking and corporate interests outside of Russia to go F themselves.

      So, this is when Clinton, and America and the EU decided to start sticking their nose in Russia's business to try and undermine Putin and his efforts. They interceded in Ukraine's elections, they worked every nation that was formerly of the Soviet Bloc to join NATO, they worked to undermine those nations that had ties to Russia (like Syria and Estonia)

      A brief glimpse back:

      https://2001-2009.state.gov/p/eur/rls/rm/84257.htm

      We have deployed a significant military force all along Russia's border, wherever possible, tens of thousands of tanks, artillery, soldiers and missiles have been deployed... there has not been such a unified and significant force deployed against a nation since Desert Shield... prior to our invasion of Iraq.

      Whatever influence Russia had, in EXPOSING who Clinton truly is, what her connections are, and who really controls D.C. was well earned.

      Look there are two types of people in America, if we set aside personal beliefs like Abortion, Religion, Gun rights, etc. ...

      Those two types are:

      A) Those who know we live in a Propaganda state that lies to us constantly. Those who know America is the war maker, the invader, and the antagonist... we are the military might behind the Globalization effort, the W.B., the U.N. the WTO, the IMF, the banks and corporations... and those that resist, like Iraq & Russia, get deposed/destroyed.

      B) Those who buy into all the bull crap that CNN, MSNBC and the MSM (even Fox) at large feed you constantly.

      They don't need to create concentration camps, they don't need indoctrination camps or mind reprogramming facilities... our education system (colleges and universities as well) and our media does that work 24x7.

      Its a passive form of control, its a subliminal and slow subversion.

      To transform America quickly would require force, could expose their efforts to resistance and even revolution... that is not what they want, they don't want to risk a major setback to their efforts, they have had them in the past.... slow is steady, steady is smooth... what works for shooting works even better for social programming and civil acceptance.

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      Cape Wind Girl 12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      ill leave you alt righters to your alt right world. nothing you say is true to me, i dont want any part of it.

      ciao

      oh and did i hear whether benghazi, pp and emails were witch hunts??

      let me guess.

      divided states. forever.

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      bradmasterOCcal 12 months ago from Orange County California

      I also previously wrote a 3 part hub that Russia didn't do it.

      https://hubpages.com/politics/Russia-didnt-do-it

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      bradmasterOCcal 12 months ago from Orange County California

      Please Take The Poll in the hub, Thanks

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      bradmasterOCcal 12 months ago from Orange County California

      Mike, Thanks for the comment. I agree with you about congress, and when was the last investigation that actually found the truth, or even answered the question that was the basis of why they had an investigation.

      Also the new congress has been here for three months and what have they accomplished for the US and the American Citizens, Zero.

      They have been working on the Russia - Trump conspiracy theory since July 2016, and they have zero connections. Meanwhile, the remnants of Obama they infest the executive branch have been leaking classified information, which a federal felonies, and are a clear and present danger to the US and many people in the government that put their lives at risk.

      Yet, the left and some far left republicans don't think that is important, even though it continues. They also don't want to pursue the spying on Americans and especially spying on Trump and his team.

      At the same time, they don't think that what Hillary and the DNC did to Bernie Sanders influenced the election. Sanders before he left the democrat primary race was winning the states, while Hillary didn't even campaign against him.

      At the very least, if Sanders had stayed in the primary, there would have been a contested primary. And a good chance that Sanders could have beat her. Then where would the Russia - Trump conspiracy be involved in the presidential race.

      If Russia was trying to help Trump then they would have had to somehow ensure that he would win the Republican Primary. Rubio, Cruz and Kasich hung around even after they dropped out of the primary to work against Trump.

      Even if there hadn't been a Wiki Leaks about Hillary Clinton's emails, or the DNC emails there would still have been a problem for Hillary with the Sander's supporters. If you looked at the election results, you will see that Jill Stein, and Gary Johnson got a lot more votes than their parties usually get. And that was most likely democrat Sander Supporters voting for them and not Trump.

      In essence, Sanders became the Perot to put an alternative vote for the loyal democrat voters.

      Even today, we have Hillary loyal voters denying she did anything wrong. Clearly noting in the race changed their vote from Hillary.

      It is rather interesting, that Hillary supporters want everyone to ignore the content of her emails. That content which was never found to not be true shows that Hillary and the DNC were involved in influencing the election, and in lying to the people that she never sent or received Classified Information. It is a fact that this classified information was sent and received by Hillary Clinton and others on her staff. And president Obama was fully aware of her private email server.

      It is a fact, that she deleted over 55,000 emails from her email server while she was under a congressional subpoena to turnover All her emails and her servers.

      She not only deleted these 55,000 emails but she had her IT admin Bleach Bit the server to prevent any of these emails from being recovered.

      These are not the acts of an innocent person, nor of one trying to protect yoga emails.

      Then not satisfied with just the Bleach Bit, the servers (there were multiples) were physically destroyed. Yet another indication this was not the act of an innocent person.

      The FBI and its director Comey didn't even put Hillary Clinton under oath when she talked to them.

      How is all of this not relevant to her and others not influencing the 2016 election?

      There is more credibility in the intentional spying on the president elect Donald Trump by spying on his team. The democrats didn't want us to find out that there was spying of any kind. Yet, who spies on the other party, and gets away with out even a reprimand. Only the liberals, and their minions.

      The issue of spying by the Obama administration has more facts and direct evidence than the 9 month conspiracy of the liberals about Russia. Even if Russia tried to influence the election, there is no evidence whatsoever of it having any traction.

      How can the liberals claim that Hillary won the popular vote and then also say that the Russians lost her the election.

      Before she pointed the finger at the Russians, it was the FBI and director Comey that lost her the election because he brought up that her emails were found on the Weiner computer.

      But months before that all the liberals including Hillary were praising Comey because he chose not to prosecute her. And they thought it was OK that US AG Loretta Lynch had a secret tarmack meeting only days before Comey said he wouldn't prosecute.

      It also didn't matter that Comey changed the letter of the law, and added that Intent was not there. In reality, intent was never part of the law. If we added the element of intent, the crime would be espionage or Treason.

      Thanks

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      Old Poolman 12 months ago

      Leslie, facts would argue with you about all of those things regarding Hillary being lies. Just too much evidence available to write them all off as lies.

      There is more to come about some of these issues so perhaps we will know the real truths sometime in the future.

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      Cape Wind Girl 12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      are you admitting benghazi, emails and planned parenthood hearings were witch hunts??

      lies:

      she sold russia uranium

      shes corrupt

      she is involved in child pornography ring

      shes a lesbian witch

      she wants to be prez so she can make money

      shes unqualified

      i would have to go back to all the anti hillary threads here to show you the rest....but you get the drift.

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      Old Poolman 12 months ago

      Yes Dear - When did you change your user name from "Love my Chris?"

      I can see no reason why Putin would rather see Trump as President than Hillary. He is smart enough to know it will be far more difficult to negotiate a deal with Trump that it would have been with Hillary.

      I would think if he did try to influence the election he would have been rooting for Hillary instead of Trump.

      What lies about Hillary were you referring to in your comment?

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      Old Poolman 12 months ago

      Excellent piece of writing, just plain excellent.

      I saw this yesterday on my smart phone but hate typing on a phone so waited until today to respond.

      Most of this Russia influence thing is nothing but the usual liberal smoke screen to draw attention away from the things we should be looking at. This is nothing new but it is working so they will continue to press the issue until it is not longer useful.

      Our elected representatives actually love these witch-hunts because they get appointed to special committees. While on these committees they don't have to work on things like healthcare, budget issues, economy issues, or anything important that could cost them votes by voting the wrong way.

      This is the Washington way and I doubt it will ever change.

      Thanks for sharing this great hub with all of us.

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      Cape Wind Girl 12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      obviously, you didn't see the fbi dudes testimony. its called active measures, and it influenced plenty. they had russian bots releasing false memes against clinton....by the thousands and simultaneously. wikileaks works for russia....surely you saw all the wikileaks crap against hillary here? it was daily 2or 3 threads a day! even went so far as another hubber congratulating the wikigirl for helping trump win!

      its a fact. they spread lies about hillary, and people believed it. and sanders people as much as trumpites. sanders hurt her as much as trump. and sanders people stole Clintons voter list and were reprimanded....who knows what else they were up to? we should have have seen sanders campaign private emails...and trumps. would have been a different election then, huh? or do you think sanders and trump are angels?

      you can deny it all you want....putin wanted trump to win, and helped him get his wish.

      and hillary won more DEM votes than bernie everywhere. i dont count indpendent votes, or the republicans russsshhhh told to go vote for sanders. hillary was the dem candidate. only a hater thinks she didnt deserve it.

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