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DNC versus Russia which one has the most evidence actually influencing the Election?
I wrote this article in March of this year. It is now eight months later and nothing has changed.
Doesn't this seem like a colossal waste of time, energy and resource?
This continuing investigation by the democrats on Trump and Russia is also contaminating the 2018 election. It appears that is the plan and the goal of the democrats.
What do you think?
DNC versus Russia which one has the most evidence actually influencing the Election?
This doesn't answer the question that I based this hub.
? Who can we prove that actually influenced the 2016 Election?
Lets see how your comment here relates to the hub
- it's not about going to war with russia.
- its about going to war WITH russia. FOR russia.
- russia has crimea. if they want ukraine, trump turns blind eye?
- haley already met with assad and gave the handshake....now we are bombing in syria.
- our drone strikes have increased 432% since trump. and now they want to keep troop movements secret from the people of usa.
and sorry, reading your words...
- .you seem to place putin in higher regard than our gvt.
- and that tells me you dont know squat about putin. or, you watch and read rt. i used to, and i know how that goes. same with wiki and snowden.
- its all anti american info, which might be true.....
- but where is the anti russian stuff? where is the 9/11 stuff? you think putin is an angel??
- watch the rise of vladimir putin, frontline. better yet, grab a cup of coffee, get comfy and read Adam Khan@Khanoisseur...
- will blow yo mind. and this is why i always thought snowden was full of sh*t. because if hes got access, he has access to it all. just like wiki, they selective-leak. they tell you what they want you to know...
leave out the rest.
- because, if betsy devos healthcare line was used as proxy for info from putin to trump....that means erik prince is involved. and erik prince goes back to iraq war. which goes back to 9/11.
- which snowden and wiki have been silent on.
- remember, assange went to work for vlad, and he is the one who arranged for snowden to go to russia. very curious to wonder which, if any, members of congress work for putin!
- yes, i know how it goes. "people of donbass want to be with russia. we must continue to protect them"....really, its about that pipeline putin doesnt want to pay tax on for using anymore....especially once his 500 billion dollar russia/exxon deal goes thru....once the sanctions are lifted.....unless my hero prez obama has stopped that, as well *no drilling in arctic*
- mind games, power games.....whose side are you on?
when i said you have to pick a side, who knew it would be between russia and usa??
life is strange. and im for usa
B: yd there is nothing in that whole string of deflections that has to do with commenting on my hub.
I took the time in my last comment to enumerate my points, and you just ignored them.
1. ?Why didn't the DNC allow the FBI or any other government agency get access to the actual physical DNC servers?
- -- How can the FBI and the other intel agencies make any conclusion on the alleged Russian Hacking. We have 17 intel agencies and there should have been 17 agencies doing independent testing. This has not been done period. It is even worse if the FBI had no interest in the DNC servers. Where is the I in the FBI? They also didn't put Hillary Clinton under Oath when they talked to her. They also gave immunity to her IT admin, and other staff members, but they never gave any testimony. So why were they given immunity? We know from all the leaks that Hillary lied about sending and receiving Classified Information on her private, unprotected, unauthorized private email servers. She deleted over 55,000 emails from that server while under congressional subpoena.
2. Too date only A private company CrowdStrike has been on the server, and they alone are making the claim.
- -- Are you saying the CrowdStrike is an Intel Agency? They were the only ones to look at the DNC servers.
3.Are we supposed to go to war with Russia over this lack of proof?
- ---- Where is the proof? and No one has denied that the emails were not TRUE, take the poll in this hub. If the Content of the emails is true should the Voters not have used it to factor into their voting decisions?
- Take the poll in this hub. It is the information not the method of publishing that should be the focus here. CONTENT over Procedure!
4. Instead of a Hack by anyone, it could have simply been a Leak.
- --How do we know leak from hack on the DNC servers. Podesta's password was "password". Even a Slacker that is not a Hacker could have cracked that code.
5. Where is the proof?
- -- What is the proof? Proof of how the information got out. But we still need to deal with the content of the emails which should be investigated.
- That investigation should have invalidated Hillary Clinton from the Democrat Primary. Bernie should have been the winner, and criminal actions should be brought against Hillary, DNC and all others that conspired to Influence the Election.
- Yes, cheating Sanders is a major influence on the Election.
- And there is more than sufficient information to Indict them all. And, we shouldn't allow people that engage in these kinds of nefarious activities to run for public office, especially for the US presidency.
6. how can we trust any of the US Intel agencies when NONE of them have done their own forensics on the DNC servers.
- --- It has been 9 months, and seeing that they didn't even examine the DNC servers, what have they been doing since the primary?
- They have been incidentally spying on the Trump team, and who doesn't believe that isn't the same as spying on Trump himself.
- The intel agencies and especially the FBI and the CIA have found NOTHING.
- They were on a 9 month fishing expedition, In addition, the CIA has been illegally operating in the US on private American Citizens. And you want us to trust them!
7. Remember, it is called Wiki LEAKS not Wiki HACKS.
DNC Wiki leaks
Was the content of the DNC server emails that were published by Wiki Leaks TRUE or FALSE?
Who Actually Influenced the 2016 Presidential Elections?
Between Russia, and Hillary Clinton which one has more Evidence and Facts that point to Them?
Wiki Leaked DNC Email Content
If the Content of the DNC emails was TRUE, then shouldn't the Voters have been able to use it, to make their voting decision about Hillary Clinton for President?
The Democrats are investigating an Alleged Russian Influence in the 2016 presidential election
The democrats didn't have a problem with the 2016 presidential election until November 8, 2016.
On November 9, 2016 and continuing now, the democrats have alleged that it was the Russians that influenced the outcome of the presidential election.
- They allege that Hillary Clinton should have won the presidency, and that it was the Russians that leaked the contents of the DNC emails that proved the DNC and Hillary Clinton, and of course John Podesta actually cheated and forced out the democratic opponent of Hillary Clinton.
- They also claimed it was FBI director James Comey because he first closed the Hillary Clinton investigation without charging her for Gross Negligence by changing it to Extremely Careless to avoid the wording in the law.
- But Extremely Careless is Gross Negligence and neither neither to have intent. Additionally, it is the job for the DOJ to decided whether to bring criminal charges and Comey was out of place to do it.
- The Leaked Emails were just that leaked and they should have been in evidence from the FBI investigation. These emails were genuine and not fabricated so they should have been brought to the attention of the people and the voters.
- It started with the fake advantage of the Democrat Super Delegates.
- They were already bought and paid for even before the election campaign started.
- This gave an artificial lead for Hillary Clinton in the Democrat Primary.
- The democrats only put five candidates up for the presidency.
- Three of the five were easily intimidated and left the race early.
- Bernie Sander got off to a slow start and it looked like an impossible race for him to win the primary. Mostly because of the rigged super delegates.
- With the super delegate lead for Hillary and the Sanders first few states not giving him any kind of help, it looked like Bernie Sanders would just fail to finish.
- Hillary Clinton tried to focus on the republicans, and Donald Trump was not her target. She most likely thought it would be Jeb Bush. Maybe Rubio, Cruz, or even Kasich. There was also Rand Paul, and even Chris Christie.
- No one in either party thought that Donald Trump had a chance
- And Hillary couldn't target any of the Republican Candidates until sixteen of them left and only one republican was standing.
- As the Republican Primary whittled down starting in May 2016, Bernie Sanders started to win one state after another. This prevented Hillary Clinton from targeting the republican candidates.
- Jeb Bush withdrew early in February 2106. This was supposed to be Hillary's republican presidential candidate opponent. At that point it really didn't matter, because Hillary had her hands filled with Bernie Sanders.
So by the time it was evident that it might be Donald Trump, Hillary still had to deal with Bernie Sanders.
Meanwhile as the Republican primary race continued, it was still a four person race. And Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, and John Kasich were even trying to tag team themselves against Donald Trump.
- Even though Donald Trump was looking like he had a chance, these three started to get serious about taking him out of the race.
It didn't work, Trump took the lead and by May 2016 he was the last republican standing.
- However, Bernie Sanders would still be in the democrat primary until July 26. 2016.
- And he was winning more states than Hillary the gap was closing to where even the super delegate lead of Hillary might not be enough.
Hillary had to focus on democrat Bernie Sanders until she and the DNC got him out of the race.
This is the substance of who we can actually prove Influenced the 2016 presidential election.
- The content of the Wiki Leaks showed the John Podesta, and the rest of the DNC staff conspired to take Bernie Sanders out of the race.
- Hillary Clinton was given questions in the debate, giving her an advantage over Bernie Sanders. Wiki Leaks published emails to Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta that clearly state interim DNC chairwoman Donna Brazile fed debate questions to Hillary Clinton in advance.
WikiLeaks dumped more than 19,000 emails from the DNC vindicated a longstanding complaint of Bernie Sanders — that the they actively worked against him and his campaign against Hillary Clinton.
Here comes the Red Herring from Hillary Clinton and the DNC.
What the democrats have done and continue to do is take the Focus OFF the Content of the Leaks and put a sp
- The source of the leak has not been revealed,
- Now here comes the fade away from the veracity of the content in the leaks.
Here comes the Red Herring or the Distraction that is still being used even today.
- Hillary Clinton's campaign manager, Robby Mook, said on ABC News' "This Week With George Stephanopoulos" on Sunday that he believes the Russians were instrumental in it.
Even if that were true, the Russians didn't write or rewrite the content of the leaks, which put Hillary Clinton and the DNC in a bad light. And that is important. Remember, it is her campaign manager that has a Belief, not a fact, and that is not a proof.
"Experts are telling us that Russian state actors broke into the DNC, took all these emails and now are leaking them out through these websites," Mook said Sunday.
- "Experts" What experts, What proof, What Russian State Actors?
- How do they know that anyone Broke into the DNC?
"It's troubling that some experts are now telling us that this was done by the Russians for the purpose of helping Donald Trump.
- "Some Experts", who are these experts, and what experts are not saying it was the Russians.
Regardless of who was behind the leak, the fallout for the DNC was severe.
Just one day before the Democratic convention was set to begin, DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz announced her resignation, effective at the end of the week. And as expected, Sanders supporters, hundreds of whom are delegates at the convention, are furious about the content of the emails.
The fact is that Hillary Clinton, John Podesta, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Donna Brazzille just to name a few were mentioned in these Emails and what they did to get Bernie out of the Race, and that should be the focus of how the 2016 Presidential Race was Influenced.
It was influenced by Hillary Clinton, the DNC and even Bernie Sanders.
- The emails also indicated that in order for Bernie Sanders to even get into the democrat primary race, he had to agree that he would let Hillary Clinton win the democrat primary.
- In return, he would be able to get his main key points into the WH through Hillary Clinton.
- However, it turned out the Hillary didn't abide by some of his key points, and the real race was on. But in the end, Hillary and the DNC would coerce Sanders to leave the race.
- To Hillary and the DNC, Bernie Sanders was not one them, you know democrats.
- In essence, Bernie Sanders let down his supporters.
in on the Delivery of the Leaks.
- In law, there is a saying, SUBSTANCE over PROCEDURE
- What this means is that even if there is a fault in the procedure, the content or Substance is more important than a procedural error that might have technically made the evidence or the facts eliminated from the trial.
Here Hillary Clinton and the DNC don't even try to argue the validity or veracity of the content and information in the Wiki Leaks, They are crying foul because their emails were leaked.
It wasn't the Russians that influenced the 2016 presidential race
The democrats cheated their democrat primary.
And the Republicans worked against Donald Trump all along the race.
Their were also all those democrat created instances where Trump was intentionally put in a bad light by Hillary. Like Sanders, Trump was not a Republican, and even worse the professional politicians didn't see him as qualified.
- Yet he took down their best candidates until he was the last candidate.
Things that had a negative influence against Trump were the allegations of sexual abuse by Donald Trump.
- The parade of women and their representation by attorney Gloria Allred.
- The big one was from NBC when they leaked a illegally recorded conversation between Billy Bush and Donald Trump. You know the one, where all the women in the world were now calling Trump names that they never called president Clinton who had actual misdeds instead of just conversation.
- That was an influence, and it was not the Russians, it was NBC, and the rest of the main stream media.
So where is the Investigation of the DNC and NBC?
Remember that the FBI requested to have the DNC servers given to them to investigate the alleged email hacking, and the DNC REFUSED.
To date, March 31,2017 only Crowd Strike is alleged to have the Russians hack, and NO Government agency has been allowed to do their own investigation on the server.
- A hacker claiming responsibility for the DNC hack that made headlines earlier this week has slammed the security company(Crowd Strike) responsible for the incident response, and leaked several documents compromised during the incident – including a 235-page opposition memo on Donald Trump.
- Washington Post story on the hackers – believed to be Russian – compromised the DNC network and walked off with opposition research on Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump.
- CrowdStrike, the security firm that was brought in to do incident response, suggested espionage as the likely motive.
- This is non factual speculation by Crowd Strike, and even today it is not FACT. It needs to be Investigated by the Government and to do that they need to get the DNC servers.
- Crowd Strike reported on two different "APT" groups in Russia, giving them the names Cozy Bear and Fancy Bear.
- Again, this is their allegations and it is Not a Fact even today!
The cry of the Democrats that the Russians Influenced the 2016 Election is being investigated by the House and Senate Intelligence Committees.
But without some government agency or all of the government intelligence agencies doing Independent Tests on the actual DNC servers that were alleged to be hacked by the Russian, the investigation is just a farce.
Why did the DNC refuse to FBI Request to investigate thier alleged hacked servers?
This Russian Red Herring by the Democrats has been going on for Nine months.
- It is time for them to deliver the baby or call it a miscarriage.
There can be NO Valid Conclusion to the Investigation by Congress on the Validity and Veracity of the Democrat Claim that the Russians Did it.
But there is plenty of evidence to show that Hillary Clinton, and the DNC did effectively infuence the 2016 Election by getting Bernie Sanders to leave the democrat primary race.
There are undisputed facts with that election influence, while there a zero facts in the claim that the Russians Influenced the presidential election.