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Who the (Bleep) is Passing Out Guns?

Updated on April 16, 2013

The Squirrely Have Guns Too!

As I’m driving home from the grocery store today I get a phone call from my children’s school. It was a voice automated alert notifying me that our school was on lock down because we had a shooter on the loose in a neighboring county. I hung up the phone, jaw-dropped and a single-tear rolling down my face. Did I believe my kids were in danger? No. Do I have to wonder what is going through the minds of my 3rd grade daughter and 6th grade son when they are told they are on “lock down” and can’t leave their classrooms because there is a bad guy on the loose with a gun? Yes.

Lock Down in School

What happened to simple Fire Drills?

When I was a child in school the only interruptions were the fire drills. My kids have had more “lock downs” than fire drills. They are better prepared for a gunman in their school than they are a fire. My children actually have “lock down drills”. They have learned how to hide behind desks and teachers are being made to keep their classroom doors locked. Am I all for added safety at our schools? Absolutely! When it comes to children there is no such thing as “too many safety precautions”, especially in light of the recent school shooting tragedies. My problem is not with how the schools are regarding safety but what this world is coming to! Our children should not have to be subjected to “lock downs”. Our children should not have to fear going to school!

Long Guns

Armed and Dangerous

The shooter responsible for two entire Upstate, New York counties being shut down started his day with burning his apartment, and shooting 6 different people in two different villages within the county, killing 4 of them and leaving 2 in critical condition. This was not a man that was potentially dangerous or making threats. This was a man that had set a building on fire, shot 6 people and though he is still at large at this moment there was a time he was shooting at law enforcement officers. This man is armed and dangerous and… on the loose.

Reports are referring to the shooter as using a long gun, which law enforcement later recovered more than a half dozen of at his residence. These guns could be legally owned and they are not assault rifles. My concern is not necessarily what kind of gun is being used in this incident and whether the gun is legally owned but what the incident is doing to my community. I am talking about New York State, a state in which the Governor’s response to the Sandy Hook tragedy implemented the strictest gun laws in the United States; a decision that I admit was a hasty one and poorly thought out and executed. The new laws have been under much criticism and uproar and counties are working on repealing the new laws.

The ugly truth?

Since violence in schools and particularly school shootings are absolutely on the uprise, should we simple tell our children that this is the way it is? Do we tell our children that we'll try to protect them the best we can but this is the world we're living in and you never can be too safe? Do we shield our kids from this knowledge or do we share it with them? Personally, I'd like to see a change, but until the opposite sides of the gun-control issue can find some middle ground, there will be no change. If nobody is willing to move and we keep doing what we're doing, we'll keep getting what we're getting.

The Real Gun Control Issue

The Gun-Control issue seems to either be “Don’t violate our 2nd Amendment Rights” or “Take all the guns away”. Why aren’t we addressing the issues? I do not want to take away rights from sane, law-abiding citizens. HOWEVER, if we are going to allow deadly weapons to be purchased owned and used then we need to take precautions/actions to make it just a little difficult for criminals, violent offenders and mentally ill people from having access to them. I don’t want to have to start sewing bulletproof vests into my children’s clothes! I want to be Proud to be an American, not Afraid to be an American!

The video you are about to see will probably make you laugh, but it is not funny, it's scary.

The good news: Nobody dies in the clip, at least as far as I can tell.

Why people who own guns should be trained to use them!

Gun Safety

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      Mike 4 years ago

      @Cant

      Thank you. I was only attempting to address the motivations behind the Second Amendment, not start trouble.

      @Romeo

      Cheers.

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      Romeos Quill 4 years ago from Lincolnshire, England

      Cat

      No need to apologize.You can't be responsible for other people's comments,but thank you for your kind consideration.

      @Mike?

      I think that you are seeing things that aren't there.I have already addressed the point you made to me;if that is not to your satisfaction,then there is very little I can do about the arrogance of ignorance.If you are looking for discussion,then make your point,to the context of this lady's original Hub,before we all end up performing a miserable dance!

      If you have an axe to grind against the Brits,for whatever reason,or are just looking for a fight,then it would be unfair,and downright wrong to use this lady's Hub as an outlet,in order to veil any hidden venom.

      If you have a point to express,use the forum - that's what it's there for.

      If you have a beef against me(whoever you are),argue with ME on my page,but be a man,and show your profile first.If you are just being contrary for devilment,then I shall not be wasting precious time on you.

      Romeo's Quill

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Mike,

      I don't know who you're addressing, but Romeos Quill, nor I said you were harsh. I will apologize to you as well because I didn't address you directly but you seemed to have directed your comment specifically to the comment of another. Rather than charming the ladies, I think Romeos Quill was pretty clear that he didn't want to be offensive or rude in general, as I can assure you is not in his character. I appreciate your contribution to the discussion and your point of view. Thanks

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      Mike 4 years ago

      Really, you thought what I said was harsh? Granted, I'm more interested in discussion than charming the ladies, but I don't think I was rude.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      R.Q.

      I apologize for you needing to defend or clarify your response to anyone, especially a faceless user, not that I'm trying to be rude either. I agree, entirely with your point and perhaps he will too now that you reiterated. I also appreciate how respectful you were to me and my page... for future reference, mi casa es su casa!

      Thanks again... before I lay my head tonight, I will be your way.

      Cat

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      R.Q.

      Yeah, now if we can only figure out how to get law breakers to stop breaking the laws, we should be good to go! :-)

      Just watched that video, wow… it got me, that’s for sure. That’s just about how I feel every time I hear another kid has been shot and killed. Suicide? That’s a whole other issue that bothers me! Thanks for sharing the video!

      Cat

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Jack,

      I know better than to argue with you :-) I probably could’ve made a better statement. Maybe what I should have said was we should question how we approach gun-use, abuse and control. You’ve proven time and time again that guns do more good than bad… but again, I still don’t like seeing them so easily accessible to the wrong people… and that, I’d like to see improve. I know you’ve got hub that I’m behind on reading, which I’m sure will further cement the pro-gun issue. Thanks for stopping and shaking some sense into me as usual. :-)

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      Romeos Quill 4 years ago from Lincolnshire, England

      @Mike

      In regards to the comment I made about,"Wasn't the West won by the gun? etc... "

      A text out of context is a pretext.The comment was made in relation to the driving out of the Native American Indians,long before there were any problems between the governments of the U.S.A and Great Britain.

      The need to maintain weapon ownership,by the military,I can see,in my opinion,is to maintain strength and power,in order to defend against any potential repercussions and/or retribution from the folks that were driven out.

      I don't want to open a can of worms here,That is not my intention,and it would be very rude of me to do so,especially as I am a guest on this good lady's page.

      Yours Sincerely

      Romeo's Quill

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      Romeos Quill 4 years ago from Lincolnshire, England

      Cat

      I agree that law-abiding citizens seem to suffer,inasmuch as they have to go through so much red tape just to obtain,and maintain their basic rights.

      I think it's because the laws were,and are,introduced for law breakers,and not the average decent,hard working American citizen.

      Romeo's Quill

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      Mike 4 years ago

      @Romeos

      "Wasn't the West won by the gun?I suppose that's why they are so firmly embedded in America's psyche,seeing as it's a constitutional right,and entrenched habits are notoriously difficult to change."

      Throwing out the Brits is where gun ownership became so "firmly embedded in America's psyche." The Second Amendment was established to allow American citizens to protect themselves from future tyranny.

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      Jack Burton 4 years ago from The Midwest

      So.... if 0.0001 percent of the people who use an otherwise legal and Constitutionally protected product do so illegally, stupidly or immorally it calls into "question" the right of the 99.9999 percent who never use them to do harm to anything to keep and own it?

      Pure emotional thinking without a shred of logic or reason behind it.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      R.Q.

      Well, I certainly won't be running for President anytime soon, that's for sure. I can't help to write about the things that frustrate me! I'm sick of watching innocent people die and I'm sick of listening to everyone fight over gun-control.

      The original intentions of guns are now being abused and they are used for way too many wrong reasons... almost makes the existence of them questionable.

      A licence from the police station... now there's a thought! You know what the problem is... law-abiding citizens have to jump through more hoops to maintain their rights to own a gun, while criminals and crazies just go about their business the way they always have. Stricter gun laws hurt those that follow laws, not the ones breaking them.

      I will definitely check out that link... and I know I've fallen behind on your beautiful writings, which I plan to get to ASAP! :-)

      Thanks for stopping by!

      Cat

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      Romeos Quill 4 years ago from Lincolnshire, England

      Cat

      Mmmm...Guns .... a touchy subject,of which you are brave to debate.

      Wasn't the West won by the gun?I suppose that's why they are so firmly embedded in America's psyche,seeing as it's a constitutional right,and entrenched habits are notoriously difficult to change.

      I thought that hand guns were originally used to kill rattlesnakes,and rifles to kill bears,wild animals,and such like for personal and family protection,and basic survival.

      It took hundreds of years in this country for non-essential weapons to be dismissed.To own a hand gun here,you have to get a licence from the local police station,which is reviewed very often,register said firearm with them,and are highly recommended to join a professional shooting range at a gun club,as far as I know.......

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detail...

      Romeos Quill

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      wildove5 4 years ago from Cumberland, R.I.

      Denmark, you brought up a great point and some really thought provoking questions. I agree, I guess it would be easy to lay blame as to why some Americans feel the need to be vigilantes and it is their right to do so, but that won't change anything. Maybe it's just fear! Afraid someone will hurt us, so we hurt them first and problem solved! Whatever the reason/reasons our society is broken and has been for a very long time. Maybe you could post this questions on a hub forum and see what others think! You've got me thinking!

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Denmarkguy,

      Thank you, Thank you! What you are saying is exactly what I see as the problem. Take guns away or pass them out; what difference does it make, it is the culture we are living in and breeding that is the problem. I don't know if you've seen Michael Moore's "Bowling for Columbine", it was the inspiration behind my first "gun-control" hub; "People and Guns Kill People...but Mostly People", in which I have the entire 2 hour documentary included. Many people are not a fan of Moore's and quite frankly that's irrelevant, the film is over a decade old and Moore simply addresses how twisted the American's way of thinking has become. I think all gun-control debators should have to watch this before they are allowed to voice their opinion. So many people want to complain and pick a "side" to fight on/for. What are they fighting for? "Don't strip us Americans of our rights!" or "We need to get rid of all the guns in the world!" Everyone just seems to sit back and ignore the fact that we have a festering nation of extreme fast-reacting, violent citizens and no one seems too worried about addressing that. Thank you, you should write your own hub; I'll be the first to come over and give it a thumbs up!

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      Peter Messerschmidt 4 years ago from Port Townsend

      Thanks for a thought-provoking hub and an even better discussion to follow!

      As you said "it's obvious there's a problem," which I completely agree with. And part of the "problem" is that we seem to run around in circles pointing fingers at any number of "symptoms" while broadly ignoring where the problem comes from.

      People often point to Switzerland as a place where there are "lots of guns," but somehow the Swiss don't point them at each other and cause death and mayhem. In fact, the Swiss mostly point their guns at themselves, when they pull the trigger. The Canadians have more guns per capita than we do, but they don't kill each other, either.

      So what's the problem? Do Swiss teens not feel angst? Do Canadians not get angry? I bet they do...

      The "cultural language" of the US is extremely violent. We say things like "If you touch my sandwich, I'll effing KILL you!" without even a thought. I've lived in a dozen other countries... in some of them, that phrase doesn't even *linguistically* make sense. In many others, you just wouldn't SAY that. It's not that people don't get angry over stolen sandwiches there... the anger is just expressed differently. "Death" and "killing" as the possible outcome/punishment for some "act" is so pervasively woven into our culture, and we don't even think about it; we tune it out; like a prescription drug, we've developed "resistance" to just how jarring it sounds.

      I used to live in south central Texas and had what were perfectly normal, well-educated rational adult friends... and they were all gun owners. And I remember overhearing a perfectly normal conversation about car break-ins in which someone perfectly earnestly said "If someone breaks into my truck and tries to steal my stereo, I'll just pull out my gun and KILL the sucker." It was said with total seriousness, but no more malice or "twistedness" than someone saying "yeah, I put traps in my yard and killed the moles."

      The thing that struck me was the complete disregard for the sanctity of life that laid behind that statement. Here was a perfectly normal middle class dude who fully believed it was his "right" to act as prosecutor, judge and executioner... to take the LIFE of someone who did something "he didn't like." That moment-- that snippet of conversation-- really made me stop and think... and I realized that THAT is what is not present in most other western nations (including Switzerland) where gun violence is much lower than the US. It has nothing to do with GUNS. It has everything to do with a broad-based cultural belief/value that we have the "right" to use deadly force for a multitude of transgressions... pretty much at the drop of a hat.

      So... where did we come by the belief-- or "cultural value"-- that we "get to kill people" when they do something we don't like? Or when life isn't going our way? Why is the "taboo" attached to killing so much lighter in the US than in other western nations? How did we get to a place where we glorify KILLING someone we have differences with, rather than working OUT those differences?

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      SidKemp,

      Thank you so much! This discussion is not always "user-friendly" and most people seem to be very passionate about the issue on one side of the other. I think it's obvious there's a problem and I think we need to be looking for answers, but there are no easy solutions and we'll probably never get everyone to agree. Thanks again!

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      Sid Kemp 4 years ago from Boca Raton, Florida (near Miami and Palm Beach)

      Thank you for your genuine appeal from the front lines of motherhood. Sharing the real experience and feeling of the problem without pretending that there are any easy solutions - that is healthy screaming! Voted up and awesome.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      CJ,

      You touched on a lot of issues that I have been addressing in the comments of this hub, though I'd just assume you not read them because some have gotten rather ugly and I don't think I want you to see me like that (You didn't read them did you, please tell me you didn't read them....:-0) Just kidding, kind of.

      Anyway, yes, yes, yes! I might not be specific enough and I may even jump around different issues but I have been screaming (cantuhearmeSCREAM) to anyone who will listen that the problems are starting well before a gun is ever pulled out. I very much blame the home, the family life or lack there of. People, many people, are not raising their families anymore. They live by the "dinner is in the microwave" notes on a table, family members coming in the door as others are going out, having a "good relationship" with your child means that you text each other a few times a day! I could go on. I grew up when families spent time with each other, the beach, the park, a picnic, a Sunday drive; a time when parents were teaching their kids morals and values and principles and the children could actually learn from the good examples that their parents were setting because they were spending time with each other. I don't think a lot of parents know their children anymore and if parents are raising their children; who is? That's a scary thought.

      In all of my psychology classes I took in college I took the "anti-medication" stance. I've always said that I would rather fix a problem than mask it. We overdiagnose, mis-diagnose, over-medicate and wrongly medicate.

      You are so right but a lot of people just want to either yell "take away the guns" or "you're not taking away my guns", without addressing what the real problem is.

      I will talk with you soon

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      CJ Sledgehammer 4 years ago

      Dear Cat:

      First of all, I would like to say that you write very well and are quite articulate. You form your opinions clearly and you are easily understood.

      Secondly, I am so sorry that you had to experience the horror of a school lock-down while one of America's finest was roaming the streets. I am grateful that nothing came of it as far as your children were concerned, but I do feel bad that you all had to endure such horror. I hate it when bad things happen to good people.

      Now, as far as I see it, the real problem is not gun laws, because we already have over 2,000 gun laws in effect. And, the problem is not guns either, because back in the "Old West" almost everyone was carrying a gun, yet there was less gun violence all things considered.

      Honestly, I think the real problem is the quality of people we are producing in this country today. Our leadership stinks to high heaven, they expelled Christ from the school system back in 1964 and with the advent of violent video games, movies, television and a highly aggressive and warmongering government, what messages are being systematically implemented into the minds and hearts of our youth?

      Psychos aren't born...they're made. Everywhere you look in this country you will find broken homes and broken hearts. What we are seeing are the pigeons coming back to roost. The Bible tells us that if you live by the sword...you will die by the sword.

      During the past 40 years in America, mothers have brutally murdered 50,000,000 babies in the name of convenience and then parents allow the school system to sedate their children to help better control their broken hearts and angry minds. Little by little, America has become a culture of death and destruction.

      It has been found that patients who come off their medications are more apt to kill themselves. The reason I believe this happens is because the medication does not help people, in fact, it tends to it act as an incubator that allows the underlying issues to fester and once the person comes off their meds or run out...they tend to crack.

      Let us also not forget that evolutionary principles also come into play. Please remember that in the school system, secular humanism is bolstered by evolutionary principles.

      It is my firm contention that when people are indoctrinated into a system where they believe they are nothing more than an animal and their class mates or room mates have no real purpose in life and there is no meaning at all to life, they tend to resort to predatory behavior when enough pressure is applied and other factors are met. After all, they have been brainwashed by a godless philosophy that promotes the survival of the fittest.

      Again, well written and well thought out, Cat. Voted up, interesting, useful and downright awesome!!! :0)

      May God smile kindly upon you and yours - C.J. Sledgehammer

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      WillStarr,

      The sad thing is these madmen are often only madboys. As angry and emotionally drained I become over these school shootings; I can't help but feel for what the "shooters" must have been going through; mentally, psychologically or emotionally to become that detached and violent. At the end of the day the kids doing the shootings are victims too.

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      WillStarr 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      "If we continue to ignore the connection between mental health and medications with violence and homocidal tendencies then we will continue to see more school shootings..."

      You are spot on correct. No amount of gun regulation will stop a determined madman. They will always find a way.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Willstar,

      Thank you. I agreed with and appreicated Larry Fields' response. Unlike many others debating the gun-control isses, he has goal-oriented, specific suggestions rather than useless rants.

      I personally don't have a problem with the 2nd Amendment, what I do have a problem with is that people don't follow the laws and we need to address and assist in mental health issues. Yes, I agree that many of these mood altering medications are a problem and probably are directly related to recent tragedies in school shootings. If we continue to ignore the connection between mental health and medications with violence and homocidal tendencies then we will continue to see more school shootings; that's probably a fact and one more is too many.

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      WillStarr 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Larry Fields is correct. All of the recent shooters were on mood altering drugs.

      If you don't like the Second Amendment, then do it right and repeal it. Don't try to bypass it.

      Just to put this into perspective, over half of so called gun victims were actually suicides, and almost 70% of all gun murders are actually young black and Hispanic drug gang members killing each other.

      If you don't live in the inner city ghettos and Barrios, don't use illegal drugs, are not suicidal, do not use mood altering medications, and are not one of the brave police officers who deal with these groups, your chances of being shot are near zero, including all those law abiding gun owners. 99.998% of the guns owned by law abiding gun owners will never shoot anyone.

      There is no crisis.

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      Alberic O 4 years ago from Any Clime, Any Place

      I simply answered your question of what I meant. I didn't say anything about manners, denying who you are, etc. I probably should have left the last sentence out in the post before the one that answered your question. I'm simply saying uncontrolled emotions (fear, anger, aggression) can escalate into violence when there is an argument or confrontation between two or more parties. A lot of these cases turn ugly really quickly.

      This is how I operate in answering questions. I will use the person who ask as an example all the time because 1) I'm addressing them, 2) It's generally makes the person understand the point when you address them at a personal level. This is how I teach. It doesn't mean you 'hold' the position or not. It's an example, nothing more. All you did with me was asked a question about a sentence I should have left out (kicking myself for it) and I answered.

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      Justin Earick 4 years ago from Tacoma, WA

      Alber - I agreed with you before, but on this I mostly disagree.

      While I certainly hold doors open; and say please, thank you, yessir, and yes ma'am - I see no purpose in concealing one's identity in the name of conformity. Politeness does not extend to self-torture. I won't cut myself for anyone.

      Also, I am not promoting instant gratification. That is straw-man.

      Promiscuity and homosexuality have nothing to do with one another. In fact, gays have a far lower divorce rate than straights.

      I am neither married nor gay, but I will fight for the next person's right to be who they are.

      Getting to know and understanding who we are - while questioning everything else - is the essence of life.

      Denying one's own self is the ultimate deception.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Alberic O,

      I think you're quite right but people just don't want to take those things into account. You don't have to be a criminal or mental ill to snap because of emotional overload, and those that do so with a gun in their hand are every bit as much a threat to society as the aforementioned.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Justin,

      I'm not saying it's a choice and if you happen to be gay you happen to be gay and if you happen to be straight you happen to be straight, but this bouncing back and forth from middle school into mid-twenties seems a little wishy washy, don't you think after all that experimenting one would have made up his/her mind? If it takes 15 years to come to a conclusion on your own sexual orientation then how in the hell are you going to make reasonable decisions on other important matters. I'm just saying you are what you are so what's all the commotion gotta be for? And, I never used the word rebel or rebellion, I don't necessarily think sexual orientation has anything to do with rebelling.

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      Justin Earick 4 years ago from Tacoma, WA

      That is all well and good. But if you continue to regard sexual orientation as a choice, and specifically a choice of rebellion that renders society down to an affront of your personal understanding of godliness...

      I cannot see how any version of rational thought possibly fits that narrow narrative of existence.

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      Alberic O 4 years ago from Any Clime, Any Place

      Justin,

      I have seen my fair share of violence getting out of hand because people can't control their emotions and express it to the point of them being aggressive. There is a time and place to express your emotions- especially negative ones.

      However, many people don't bother to know when it is appropriate, especially with two or more parties involved. I'm not saying be a drone, but if you let the emotions control you, you will be in a world of hurt. This is what happens:

      1) When you're being emotional, you aren't being logical

      2) You have fallen into primitive, 'scripted' behaviors

      3) You don't control these behaviors, they control you (ie: your emotions hijack your judgment).

      4) Just because you feel something doesn't mean it's true, but you act based on your feelings and emotions anyways:

      a) Say something/do something you may regret.

      b) Provoking an attack/attacking other(s)-this can cost lives!

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Justin,

      No, clearly, at least I'm trying to be clear, that is not what I'm saying. If I offended you; it was not my intention, I love a debate but not to the point of offending people. Honestly, I appreciate your stance on the topic and I'm glad that you care enough about the issue to speak up. you can be mad at me and think I'm an ignorant moron, but I still value your opinion.

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      Justin Earick 4 years ago from Tacoma, WA

      Kudos. Nothing too offensive this time - unless you are insinuating that homosexuality is the "huge shift in society" that is "throwing us way the hell of track".

      On second thought, I remain skeptical.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      wildove5,

      I'm pretty sure you just made me laugh out loud. (Wow I just wrote that out instead of using the 3 famous letters!) Anyway, I have 3 different email accounts all open with half read emails and about 15 tabs open. I'm talking about love on one page and fighting on another. Apparently we need to choose our words careful because I used the word homosexuality in a sentence I am now being accused of being anti-homosexual; Hitler style. Honestly, I have nothing against any sexual orientation, I was just misunderstood. But, I tend to get myself into these predicaments from time to time because I guess I don't think before I speak (I'm pretty sure my school report cards used to say the same thing). Honestly, though I like a good debate, I'm a lover not a fighter, but I guess that doesn't make everyone love you? :-)

      I really hate when I piss people off, especially when I don't mean it; it's no fun then. But, I'm annoying in that I usually don't give up until all is forgiven, if that doesn't work then they just start ignoring me altogether. :-) That's okay, I'm a good sport.

      Anyway, thank you for stopping to check on me and I have to say, since some days have passed I am feeling quite a bit more calmed now, but it is still a crappy situation that our kids have to live in a time where we need "lock down" drills more than fire drills.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Justin,

      From the very first comment you made on my hub I contemplated following you (only after checking out your profile). I appreicate your knowledge and expertise and passion on important subjects, quite frankly, I thought that your political knowledge was too superiour to my own and I figured that I was better off not trying to play with the big dogs. I go over to your page every now and then and with all my might, refrain from pushing that button. I thought that we were on the same page about the health of our nation and the importance of addressing it and looking for improvements. Sure, we may not agree on all contributing factors, but I simply made a statement, attempting to understand where this huge shift in society has come from, not solely, but mindsets and such, and you've taken it and ran. I did a paper for college more than 5 years ago and read a statistic that said 1 in every 3 middle school students has Herpes. Do you know how old a middle school student is? That's ridiculous! Fine, maybe I'm looking in the wrong direction, but I don't think that it's any one thing that is throwing us way the hell of track, I think it's a lot of things and if we just keep going at the speed we are in the same direction then my kids won't even have a future. I'm not married and I haven't been, I know that marriage is a commitment and I haven't had a situation present itself where myself and partner were both on that same page at the same time, I don't see any point in a wasted trip to the alter, because once you say I do, you shouldn't say "for now" or "I think". People are walking around stressed, depressed, anxious,... the relationships that we have in this world absolutely have a direct correlation to how we react and respond to the rest of the world around us. If the personal relationships are all unhealthy then what's to say we have the capabilities of having non-personal healthy relationships with the rest of the world? Maybe I'm over analytical but I think we need to look at every angle and see where we can afford improvement and if there is any way to actually achieve it.

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      wildove5 4 years ago from Cumberland, R.I.

      Wow,,, Just stopped by to say I'm sorry you had a stressful day with your kids school lock down. I guess that was and under-statement! Breath Cant, breath! Tomorrow will be a better day!

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      Justin Earick 4 years ago from Tacoma, WA

      Yes, you can assume that about me if it makes you feel better about yourself - but that was not at all the case at those given times when I was 8 years old in the church playground, or 12-13 years old in my bedroom - only after the fact could my feelings even begin to be determined.

      Again, it's called experimentation. That is how we learn things about ourselves, so we don't marry the wrong person under societal pressure to conform to outdated preferences.

      Why do you equate marriage statistics with murder and deceit?

      Granted, people should pt 100% effort into respecting their commitment to their partner - but a lifetime of misery is a sentence that no peaceful person deserves.

      STD's? My county no longer accepts reports of Hepatitis cases because nearly everyone has one form or another. We have Hepatitis H I J K L M N O P these days.

      If you add together the 1 in 5 or so with gonorrhea, herpes, hepatitis, HIV, chlamydia, warts, syphilis ...

      Make sure your kids know the importance of strapping-up in the bedroom.

      Everyone either has an STD or a kid by 30.

      This is the world we live in, not Shangri-la.

      The alternative is oppression, subjugation, and Sharia-style law.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      So then I can assume that your personal homosexual experiences were not that of joy or pleasure? That must be the case because you are so fixated on accusing me of knocking homosexuality. Hell, I wish there were more love in the world. Um... part of my problem is that relationships are doomed for failure and I was just informed of the statistics today that 95% of married couples report being unhappy in the marriage within the first 10 years of marriage and 60% of marriages have already dissolved before the 10 year mark. Lies, cheating, deceit, murder... it is the world we live in, the time we live in. Maybe we are being too loose in our choices, too loose in our relationships, too loose in our hearts or maybe just in our sexual relations. Do you want me to go pull up the newest statistics on STD's? The last numbers I read made me sick and sad. I have not claimed a religion on this hub or any other, I said before that it is not a topic I am comfortable speaking about. You don't have any idea what my religious thoughts are and simply because I made an observation or question about homosexuality, because I do not know the anwer but am willing to learn, that automatically defines my religious affiliation?

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      Justin Earick 4 years ago from Tacoma, WA

      "Gay is becoming a popular fad"...

      "Everyone is trying to take it one step further, out do the last person until we're all a bunch of freaks and psychos."...

      "is the media exploiting homosexuality in such a manner that kids are following suit"...

      "my theory that homosexuality is on the rise."

      It is very obvious how you feel on this subject.

      Your ignorance is showing. How would a person know that they are not gay if they don't try different things? (I learned that from a lesbian/bi friend in high school who is now married with four kids). I have no doubt that I am straight, and I can say that with complete certainty based upon experience.

      You wonder why priests and family men suddenly announce that they are gay in their 40's? Because they suppressed their true feelings and never bothered to test it out in their formative years thanks to societal bigotry, bullying, and ignorance.

      No one "picks" their sexual orientation.

      And you should definitely experiment with religion. Why would you inherit your beliefs from 3000 year old desert dwellers who thought the earth was flat?

      And I DO mean 3000 years - Christianity is an obvious rip-off from much older Mesopotamian and Egyptian teachings.

      They all tell the same exact story of the winter solstice with different names for the characters.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Justin,

      I don't know how many languages I have to say it in; GAY or STRAIGHT makes no difference to me! If one of my kids were gay I wouldn't want or expect them to hide it or be ashamed, but they don't need to run around announcing it either, you know just like people don't run around announcing they're straight. What you are or who you roll around with doesn't affect me in the least. You're telling me that the only way to know if you're straight or gay is to have sex with both and see which one is more enjoyable? Not only does that sound stupid but it sounds irrational and irresponsible. "Okay, honey, now I know you're getting to the age of dating, but I don't want you making any rash decisions so you want to make sure you explore all avenues, don't pick a sex and stick to it, give 'em both a try, you won't know unless you experiment" What the hell is that? Remind me not to drop my kids off at your house. I haven't made my views on homosexuality or religion clear because I don't even know myself yet, I'm still experimenting.

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      Justin Earick 4 years ago from Tacoma, WA

      You do not need to tell me about your religion or your views on homosexuality. You have been very clear in your comments.

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      Justin Earick 4 years ago from Tacoma, WA

      Now you are saying that marriage equality laws are causing "half" of our youth to "decide" to suddenly morph into a gay person.

      No one decided to be gay - what an ignorant statement to make. Homosexuality is present in over 200 species in nature. Only our species has homophobic bigots.

      Following your scenario of "half" of kids being gay (which is completely normal, experimentation is the only way to know for sure) - it would seem obvious that homosexuals were only hiding their true selves in past generations because of the bullying and disdain certain people showed them.

      What if one of your kids were gay? Would you want them to lie about who they are? Would you be content with them being cast as second class citizens because of who they are?

      Are you afraid that they might wake up one day and suddenly morph into homosexuals simply because of a law someone passed?

      Are you afraid that if one your kids were gay, you would be forced to disown them?

      I do not understand any of this at all.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Justin,

      Woah, I thought we had something special, gee I don't think I like where this conversation is going. I value your insight and opinions; I'm just asking the questions to gain more knowlegde and understand why people think and behave the way they do.

      I didn't say anything...I "suggested" several potential contributing factors and yes, I could be wrong about any/all of them. I don't know but I bet you a million bucks statistics would support my theory that homosexuality is on the rise.

      There are people that are gay because that is who they are and the way they feel and then there are confused children, teenagers and young adults that experiment and are gay today gone tomorrow.

      Just because I made a statement about sexual preference doesn't mean I have an opinion on it. How do you know that I'm not gay? I never said if I was or wasn't.

      When homosexuality is brought up in my home, I tell my children that I don't care who they are or what they do; I'll love them just the same, so?

      You totally twisted my words,... Do YOU work for the MEDIA? I never said anything about gay rights or opposing of them. I guess you just take a comment and spin in into dramatic conversation. I thought I liked you all this time. I forgive you for turning my words around to make for a better conversation. I still like you ;-)

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Justin,

      I didn't even claim any kind of religion of my own and I don't talk about my religion, faith or spirituality here because I don't feel comfortable talking about it. It is not a conversation that I have any business debating because I have not educated myself in the matter like those who will debate religions. Secondly, I didn't say that I had a thing against homosexuals because I don't and I even have a few friends that are homosexual that I would gladly show my comment to. I work with the public and I have nieces and nephews that are in their adolscence and it seems like over the last few years "half" of the student's in their schools are professing their homosexuality. Has everyone suddenly decided that they are gay? Or since we have passed laws allowing same-sex marriages people are feeling more comfortable "coming out". Or is the media exploiting homosexuality in such a manner that kids are following suit? Frankly, I don't care if people are gay or not, I have no reason to believe that they are killing people any more than straight people are. I'm just saying that our little world is falling apart and everyone seems to be jumping right in and running along side instead of trying to change things or do anything about it. I grew up in the 80's and 90's and the world has damn near done a 360 in that time. What are my kids going to have?

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      Justin Earick 4 years ago from Tacoma, WA

      Wow. Gay is a fad? Just...wow.

      It sounds like you are saying that anyone who doesn't worship your god just the way you think they should are "freaks and psychos" who have "psychological issues", and ensure that "society is so twisted it’s not even funny."

      I mean, trembling at a stop light or in a parking lot in the suburbs is really out there, but this "gay is a fad" stuff is just plain ignorant and offensive.

      Shame.

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      Justin Earick 4 years ago from Tacoma, WA

      Wow. Homosexuality is a fad? Just... wow.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Justin,

      I'm not trying to sound ignorant. I know a lot of people that have serious issues, I mean to the point that they really ought to seek some help. No I don't think that every American should undergo a psychological exam but I think that every American should have a regular primary care physician and that doctor should have an awareness to any potential psychological issues. There are thousands if not millions of Americans who do not visit the doctor regularly or do not even have a doctor to go to.

      I am the first person to offer an ear or shoulder to cry on, but yeah, we have gotten a little free what is acceptable. Everything is okay; gay is becoming a popular fad, having no religion or a different religion is becoming daring and exciting and bold. Everyone is trying to take it one step further, out do the last person until we're all a bunch of freaks and psychos.

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      Justin Earick 4 years ago from Tacoma, WA

      I don't get your point.

      "A lot of people don't realize they are ill. " And a suggestion that the only people who seek care are "ordinary citizens" who aren't really in need of it?

      What is your solution to that, in addition to greater access to care? Are you going to force every American to undergo a psychological exam?

      Many conservatives oppose immunizations and flouride, good luck with forced mental exams.

      The NRA oppose even allowing physicians to share concerns with schools and parents.

      Are we going to add mental health curriculum in schools when we've cut out Music and Art? We cut recess and field trips and sports.

      Unless mental health gets on the standardized tests, we won't teach it in schools.

      Also... you said, "I don't know that anyone is suggesting to "hold it in"."

      I'm not sure what else, "This is a culture that encourages expression of emotion way too much. ", is supposed to mean - if not "hold in your emotions and don't express them."

      Is that not implicit?

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Justin,

      Yes, pent up emotion probably does lead to exlosions of rage. I don't know that anyone is suggesting to "hold it in". We need to be responsible for how we relieve ourselves from emotional distress.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Alberic O,

      You have a very strong argument and make a lot of valid points and I have to say that I agree with you. Yes, there needs to be some kind of a starting ground and it can't be vague or we'd be better off not even bothering. I also agree with your opinion about people in general and how we conduct ourselves and our lack of self-control. Maybe some of this is related the mental, emotionally or psychological instability but I say it starts in the home. Families aren't raising their kids anymore or they aren't doing a quality job. No more morals, no more values, no more consequences for inappropriate actions. We are turning violent people out onto the streets from our front doors and then crying about the violence as it unfolds. When do we start realizing and admitting that we are every bit as much to blame?

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Justin,

      I guess I'm thinking that having more resources for mentally illnesses will be great but the idea that they are undiagnosed or never even checked into is another issue. A lot of people don't realize they are ill. I think we need to work on educating people and creating awareness. A lot of people that seek help are probably your ordinary citizen with some mild depression or anxiety. Those aren't necessarily threats to society and the ones that are may be unaware.

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      Justin Earick 4 years ago from Tacoma, WA

      "This is a culture that encourages expression of emotion way too much. "

      Completely off-base. If anything, pent up emotion leads to explosions of rage.

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      Alberic O 4 years ago from Any Clime, Any Place

      Once again, all private transfers and sales will have to go through someone with an FFL dealer. It doesn't make sense that an FFL dealer has to do a background check but no one else has to. Some states require this already which is good. I, like many others, bought the rifle through the FFL dealer. They have to keep the rifle information on file per federal and state law. If I sold the rifle without an FFL dealer to the person and that person uses the rifle illegally, the cops will trace the serial # to me. I don't want that and to limit the liability that may occur, I used an FFL dealer as a third party to conduct the sale of my rifle. If you buy, sell and transfer firearms often, apply for an FFL so you don't need a third party for your transactions.

      When people 'snap', they let their emotions (ie: anger and aggression) hijack their judgment. This is how a lot of fights and violence get started and ultimately, one of the most common forms of violence. This is NOT mental illness but a lack of self control on their part. The person 'has to win' at all cost in a argument or confrontation. Instead of backing off and letting the other party save face and/or walking away, the person pushes it to violence or provokes an attack. Same with those who have grudges. When they are caught, they will either claim 'self defense' or 'mental illness' to get a lighter sentence. This is a culture that encourages expression of emotion way too much. This pretty much happens anywhere. Again, this lies in personal responsibility/self control in people and it is very difficult/impossible to legislate behavior.

      The disorders that I listed is not all disorders and quite frankly they are rare among the population. However, the ones that I listed are very common for mass shooters and other serial criminals. Also, the symptom are violence, psychosis, severe lack of empathy, etc. It's not your mild depression or anger tantrum- this is some very serious stuff. For example, the kid in Ohio that shot killed 3 people in his high school exhibits symptoms of Narcissistic personality disorder (you all probably heard what he did in court to the victims' families). Again, if you are going to keep people with mental illness from having access to firearms, this is a start. You want a law that is specific and has certain conditions. If the law is vague, you will chastise all people with diagnosed mental illness who generally don't exhibit any of the symptoms stated.

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      Justin Earick 4 years ago from Tacoma, WA

      I said access to care, after I mention stigmatization previously. I didn't suggest that we would be rounding up people and throwing them in looney bins.

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      Justin Earick 4 years ago from Tacoma, WA

      Not to get too of track, but Obamacare reduces the deficit, and has slowed rising health care costs already. The CBO is very clear about this. And Paul Ryan's new budget leaves the revenues from ACA in tact. It is here to stay, no matter your false claims. It was passed by the Congress, signed into law by the President, and upheld by the Supreme Court - all three branches have agreed on this.

      Eight GOP governors have signed on already because they have little choice in the matter. They will be paying for the people in my state - and public hospitals in red states like Texas will go bankrupt without the 100%-90% federal Medicaid match money from Obamacare.

      The only thing that could disrail the program are the GOP politicians in Congress lowering the federal match for states. Democrats would obviously never cut their own program - that notion is preposterous.

      Conservatives have been opposed to Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security since their inception - along with every other program that helps working and poor people - from unions and child labor laws and food programs. It only stands to reason that they are against Obamacare, it's par for the course.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      With or without insurance how to you get someone to step into a mental health facility?

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      Wayne Joel Bushong 4 years ago from America

      Justin...........are you serious? If you can't afford insurance now then how will you afford ACA? Are you prepared to have 200 a month taken from your check? did you really think it would be free? It is allready projected to cost 3 times what the president told us! ......I doubt now you will ever see ACA, I believe even the democrats will soon realize it must be defunded.........that means you will have to live and pay for your life the way the rest of us have for the past 200 years!

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      Justin Earick 4 years ago from Tacoma, WA

      Luckily ACA/Obamacare will afford tens of millions of Americans access to Medicaid, so they will have access to mental health care.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Justin,

      I think a big problem with mental health is that a lot of people don't realize they are ill and the people around them may be missing the signs as well; many people suffer in silence. You can't get help if you don't know you need it. Secondly, so many people have all they can do to get "coverage" for medical expenses when they have a physical injury but neglect mental health because of lack of insurance. Thirdly, as you mentioned the stigma associated with mental illnesses is a big deterrent. Lastly, "privacy" HIPPA laws will forever be in the way if we don't figure out a way to use common sense when addressing potentially dangerous individuals.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Alberic O,

      Honestly, I may be a hypocrite, but there are people probably like you that selling a gun to a buddy from work, without the legal-schmegal stuff, wouldn't seem to be such a big deal; everyone sells their used belongings to friends, swap, barter and trade. But there are people that are much more careless and for the right price will sell anything to anyone without fearing the consequences of their actions.

      I do think there should be more of a handle on mental and psychotic disorders, though I don't know it could be as easy as following a list. Sometimes all it takes is a moment of madness; a simple mild depression case with a "bad day at work", "straw that broke the camel's back" kind of situation is enough to make a "normal" person snap. But, I like that you're looking for a starting point and we need to find a place to start and implement some changes somewhere.

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      Justin Earick 4 years ago from Tacoma, WA

      Not sure I like lists for "crazy" people. They are far more likely to be the victim of violence than the perpetrator.

      We do need to invest much more in mental health care system. And we should have more ways to help people with mental conditions that display violent tendencies. We should allow doctors to notify schools and parents if they notice something wrong.

      We should try to stop the stigmatization of "crazies" that might stop them from seeking help.

      And mental health inevitably leads to privacy concerns.

      However, the NRA defends people on the terrorist watch list and convicted stalkers from the National Instant Criminal Background Check System.

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      Alberic O 4 years ago from Any Clime, Any Place

      Background checks should be done for private transfers by requiring all purchase and sales of firearms be done through someone/store with an FFL (an FFL dealer is obligated to do a background check on the buyer anyways.) When I sold my rifle to a coworker, I did it through the FFL dealer where the background check was done. I felt good that I wasn't selling it to some criminal.

      2nd, make it into law that a psychiatrist or psychologist has to input the following mental disorders into the FBI and state criminal database system once a diagnosis is made:

      1. Paranoid Schizophrenia

      2. Antisocial Personality Disorder

      3. Psychosis

      4. Psychopathy

      5. Narcissistic personality disorder

      6. Intermittent explosive disorder

      I listed these 6 because mass shooters often claim they have these disorders (ie; Colorado shooter & Virginia had Paranoid Schizophrenia according to Psychiatrists), the symptoms may cloud the person's judgment and may make them violent prone-more so than other mental disorders, and lack of caring of others, extreme anger, and other violent prone symptoms that are associated with these disorders.

      Harsher punishment for trafficking and straw purchases are good and are being considered on both sides of Congress. These changes are a lot more effective than the 'Assault Weapons Ban.'

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      A big part of the issue is accountable guns. They're passed through hands with no paperwork and no way to trace a name back to half of the guns floating around. There should be extremely stiff punishments for trafficking. Maybe we should be actually trying to take the illegally possessed guns out of criminals hands, that's an idea. Oh yeah, we might want to keep them out of the mentally insanes' as well, maybe even get them help.

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      Justin Earick 4 years ago from Tacoma, WA

      Not sure about the what kind of firearms they have in the Dakotas, though I would imagine you are correct in your assumption.

      And the 90% number stands to reason, since NY has stout gun-safety laws, but it doesn't much matter since New Hampshire, Ohio and West Virginia have extremely lax gun laws close by.

      Same with the strong gun-safety laws in Illinois - KY, WI, IN, & MO are right next door with weak gun laws.

      That's why they are trying to pass stronger federal gun-trafficking legislation.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Justin,

      Do the Dakotas have more "hunting type" rifles than hand guns for instance?

      You happened to mention NY, which I live, but in Upstate. I read a statistic last week that 90% of the gun-related violence is from guns that have been brought in from outside of the state.

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      Justin Earick 4 years ago from Tacoma, WA

      And of course there is more crime in areas with more people. Does that not stand to reason? Blaming black people is not a valid argument.

      Look at the number of gun deaths per 100,000 people - Wyoming, Montana, Alaska, Alabama, Mississippi are each in the top ten states in terms of percent of household gun ownership, & also in the top ten states in terms of gun deaths per 100,000 people. Thus, more guns = more gun deaths in conservative states.

      While NY, RI, CT, HI, NJ are each in the bottom 10 in gun ownership % & the bottom ten in gun deaths per 100,000 people. Thus, less guns = less gun deaths in liberal states.

      Illinois and California (fits your "Chicago & gangs" & liberal blame) are both in the bottom 15 states in gun ownership % & in gun deaths per 100,000 people.

      Louisiana and Nevada both (Republican) have high gun-death to gun-ownership rates.

      Only the Dakotas are in the top ten gun rates & the bottom 20 in gun deaths per 100,000 - which would fit Patriot's "safe with guns in Oklahoma" example.

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      Justin Earick 4 years ago from Tacoma, WA

      Patriot: Blames black people.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Justin,

      I live in a safe little village with about 5 streets and 100 homes. The nearest commercial area from my home is almost 30 minutes away and it is probably nothing more than a suburb. We don't have any real gangs or gang activities for about 300 miles, but random acts of violence still happen. I lock my doors when pulling up to stop signs and red lights in these "suburban" areas and yet I see 13 year old girls walking through them confidently. I think to myself that I must be twisted, I grew up sheltered, "how silly I am to be afraid". But less then a week ago, we had a local resident set fire to his home, shoot 6 people, killing 4 and critically injuring the other two and the incident ended with him killing a polilce dog and then police killing the "bad guy". There isn't even an answer for his unprovoked actions. Nobody can even find a connection between him and the victims he shot. It makes me wonder, no matter how safe the areas that I choose to roam are, I am still in danger to random acts of violence? It's not brain surgery, but it is situations like these that get my fears going. A month ago, I didn't think twice about someone pulling into a parking lot next to me. I almost had an anxiety attack yesterday when I was out at 2 different "safe" places when I had a man pull up in a spot next to me. I was thinking "What is he going to do?" Tremble, tremble, shake, shake. I refuse to live looking over my shoulder, but it is hard to stop natural feelings.

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      Alberic O 4 years ago from Any Clime, Any Place

      You prevent crime by locking you car door, not taking your kid to gang infested areas, etc. It's a lot better than having the attitude, 'If something happens, I'll count on someone else to help me' which many people have and get themselves into trouble.

      Cops and some cases security are not obligated by law to protect anyone (see Castle Rock v. Gonzales, No. 04-278- a domestic abuse case that went up to the Supreme Court). Who else is responsible for your safety? Sure, there are times when you have to trust others but for the most part, it's your responsibility. You don't need to be a cop, superhero, etc to prevent crime from happening to you. Just stay alert somewhat in order to know what is going on around you.

      Any weapon can be used as an offensive and defensive weapon including firearms. Protective gear like armor are personal protective equipment. The is a finding by Dr. Arthur L. Kellermann, the author of the study that Justin cited, has backed away from the '43 times more likely...' but remains firm to the other parts of his study. The statistics were published in 1986, 1988 and 1993.

      Although people debate about his findings and how he derived his statistics, I do agree with his conclusion 'the advisability of keeping firearms in the home for protection must be questioned' by the person thinking about keeping one for defensive purposes-especially if you plan to carry one.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Justin,

      Your statistics are alarming! I know I'm going to get in trouble, but your offensive versus defensive point is a good one.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Patriot Quest,

      Exactly, the media is spun the way they choose. Show us all of the innocent lives lost to gun-violence, but rarely do we see the bad guy getting the good guy hit the news.

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      Wayne Joel Bushong 4 years ago from America

      Justin, you failed to mention where those 82 people were shot? I betting Chicago, gang related, and black on black across most of the country! Funny how the most liberal states are the ones with the gun problem and the most conservative states (like Oklahoma) are where the guns are saving lives, not to mention we have the most Churches? And you are correct in saying guns can be offensive...........its the sole reason we have the greatest country on earth!............give it up!

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      Justin Earick 4 years ago from Tacoma, WA

      The media were busy covering the 82 people who were shot that day - and every other day.

      2600 victims since Sandy Hook.

      1.3 million gun deaths since 1968, or more than in all US wars combined.

      Again, a gun is 43 times more likely to hurt the owner or friends/family than to be used to stop a home invasion/crime.

      Firearms are not designed as a defensive tool, that is completely disingenuous. Armor like bullet proof vests & kevlar are defensive tools, guns are offensive. Literally.

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      Wayne Joel Bushong 4 years ago from America

      speaking of media, Last week two home envasions were disrupted and a would be criminal shot to death by a homeowner in Oklahoma, guns saved lives.............where was that in media??????

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Justin,

      I have personally never liked the comparison between guns and alcohol. There are a lot of alcohol related deaths, but much of it is negligence on the drinker or the provider’s part. Hmm. maybe it’s not such a bad connection.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Alberic O,

      It's not my job to prevent crime is it? I mean, it's my duty not to commit crimes, but I'm not the one that is supposed to be enforcing the law and preventing others from commiting crimes should I? I would like to think that I can go to Walmart without being afraid for my life. If we all played crime-stopping Citizens on Patrol, we'd be in a lot more trouble wouldn't we? Should I be dusting off my Police Academy videos for some tips and pointers?

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      Justin Earick 4 years ago from Tacoma, WA

      92% want universal background checks. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_162-57564386-103...

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      Justin Earick 4 years ago from Tacoma, WA

      Consuming alcohol is a victimless crime. Driving drunk is a felony. We regulate whom can drink. We regulate whom can drive and how we drive. We require vehicle registration, insurance...

      Vehicle manufacturers are subject to lawsuits, unlike gun manufacturers.

      Vehicles serve a purpose - to transport humans from point A to point B.

      The singular use for a gun is to shoot something.

      30,000 Americans are shot every year.

      10,000 Americans die from gun shots annually.

      A gun in the home is 43 times more likely to be used on friends/family than an intruder or to stop a crime.

      A woman is 12 times more likely to be killed in domestic violence if a gun is in the home.

      Gun ownership is down from over 50% in the 1970s to 34% today - with about 300,000 guns means about 3 guns per owner.

      220 years of case law has protected our 2nd Amendment right to a handgun or shotgun in the home.

      The federal assault weapons ban was not challenged in court, no federal ban has ever been challenged by the NRA.

      No conservative supreme court justice - not even Scalia or Thomas - believe that the 2nd Amendment is absolute (read the Heller case). You can't have a tank, or anthrax, or a sawed-off, or surface-to-air anything...

      Freedom of speech is not absolute - slander, libel, child porn, yelling "fire" in a crowded theater...

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      Alberic O 4 years ago from Any Clime, Any Place

      You should be on the alert when you go out. To me, it's not fear, it's not stupid, it's risk management and crime prevention-something everyone should practice. No one is responsible for your safety but you.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Patriot Quest,

      I had a conversation with my Special Forces Air Force, FBI brother from WV the other night and the moment he thought I was anti-guns he flipped out on me. He solidified the thoughts that I've been developing through these many conversations that gun-laws hurt law-abiding citizens and criminals continue to be criminals, people who want to kill will find another way if not with a gun and that corruption begins when you disarm a country and gave examples of where it's happening. You have a point about media and honestly I think they do more damage than good. Because of the constant attention on gun crimes, it's unescapable. Since we just had a random shooting one county over from my house last week, resulting in 4 deaths. It is starting to consume me and I found myself looking over my shoulder every time I'm in a parking lot lately. It's stupid, I'm not afraid of guns, I'm afraid of some of the people that randomly kill people. I think the world is falling apart, with or without guns. Your alcohol statistic is true but that only makes me more sad about the condition of our country.

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      Jack Burton 4 years ago from The Midwest

      epi sez: There is the old argument that people kill not guns but at the same time if you took away guns completely there would be less violence would there not?

      Jack replies: you might want to read this as a counter-balance to what you just wrote.

      "A World Without Guns"

      To say that life in the pre-gunpowder world was violent would be an understatement. Land travel, especially over long distances, was fraught with danger from murderers, robbers, and other criminals. Most women couldn't protect themselves from rape, except by granting unlimited sexual access to one male in exchange for protection from other males.

      Back then, weapons depended on muscle power. Advances in weaponry primarily magnified the effect of muscle power. The stronger one is, the better one's prospects for fighting up close with an edged weapon like a sword or a knife, or at a distance with a bow or a javelin (both of which require strong arms).

      When it comes to muscle power, young men usually win over women, children, and the elderly. It was warriors who dominated society in gun-free feudal Europe, and a weak man usually had to resign himself to settle on a life of toil and obedience in exchange for a place within the castle walls when evil was afoot.

      And what of the women? Rich, strong men had little besides their conscience to stop them from having their way with women who weren't protected by another wealthy strongman.

      Complete essay at:

      http://old.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel120501.sh...

      BTW... this is not the life I want for my daughters and grand daughters.

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      Wayne Joel Bushong 4 years ago from America

      We become afraid because we hear multiple times the sky is falling! We must always strive for truth. Here are a few truths, 1934 a grown man used dynamite to kill nearly 40 children and adults at a school because he didn't win a school board election. The other two largest civilian mass murders in this country were performed with fertilizer, and box cutters...............no guns used. I know from statistics we are in more danger of getting killed by a drunk driver than shot.........so where is the outrage over booze??? Live YOUR life, don't fear the media hype!

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Colin,

      You strike me as a lover not a fighter and this topic of conversation tends to lead to spit and blood, I almost feel the Honestly, I am so very humbled by your words, though I'm sure many others would disagree.

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      epigramman 4 years ago

      Well my compelling and thought provoking Cat I am back after a short walk with my own cat, Mister Gabriel, who is deaf but loves his walks on a leash - and yes you speak the truth once again in a very sobering way - sad sign of the times (and into the future as well) that children have to learn not only fire drills but gun emergency drills as well.

      There is the old argument that people kill not guns but at the same time if you took away guns completely there would be less violence would there not?

      Thank you for inspiring me and making me think - it's people like you who make a difference not only at the Hub but in real life as well because as you know the demographics at the Hub reflect/mirror people all over this world made much smaller by a place like the Hub and you certainly are a visionary writer - Rock on Cat, rock on!

      Sending you good thoughts and good karma from Colin and his cats

      at 5:29pm from lake erie time ontario canada

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Alberic O,

      Ignorance is one thing, but it's like people who bitch but don't vote; I don't want to waste my time in a debate with someone who doesn't attempt to educate themselves on the issues and doesn't try to make a difference by taking advantage of their rights.

      As far as paranoia goes, I think SOME people are paranoid that they will be stripped of their gun rights and fight tooth and nail to against gun-control, while others are paranoid that they will be shot at anytime in any place and want gun laws implemented to protect them. I'm talking about extreme ends of the spectrum where paranoia takes over common sense.

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      Alberic O 4 years ago from Any Clime, Any Place

      Cantuhearmescream- I didn't include ignorance because it is legit. People may not know about something. When you open people to correct facts, their opinions may/may not change but they will have a better understanding of the situation and issue.

      Paranoia is fear but in a irrational sense. Generally the fear is being delusional.

      LongTimeMother-

      in the eyes of these people, gun confiscations has occurred with the most recent one in New Orleans. Some pro-gun folks really fear that if you give gun control 'little ground' they'll take a mile (ie: eventually ban most types or all guns). They look at Britain as a prime example where the laws eventually evolved to banning most types of firearms. No politician will ever suggest banning guns because once they do, they won't be elected, lol.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      LongTimeMother,

      Gosh, Thanks. It's seems so obvious when you point it out. I was bouncing between so many hubs I lost my place and it seemed like the middle of a conversation.

      Justin,

      Sorry about the confusion, I absolutely appreciate your passion on the issue. I think Alberic O has a point.

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      LongTimeMother 4 years ago from Australia

      Here's a clue for you, Cantuhearmescream ...

      MaximumFatLoss wrote:

      "In fact, some of my husbands' friends have literally hundreds of different firearms that are not registered. The reason for this is because they have been afraid that this day will come where our rights are threatened. I know for a fact that a war will break out here in the south if our 2nd Amendment is overturned. Politicians within the Carolinas are already working on state laws to overcome whatever the Feds decide in opposition."

      Mind you, MaximumFatLoss also wrote:

      "I'll be frank and say that I am a gun owner. As a resident of North Carolina, I must take a course to learn how to shoot and carry a gun. In addition, I must register for any gun and have a background check."

      As a gun owner in Australia where we already have the tough gun laws, it sounds like MaximumFatLoss has already passed most of the criteria necessary to have guns here. I don't still don't understand what all the fear about having ALL guns confiscated is all about.

      Who ever suggested that would happen? That's ridiculous.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Oh and if it does not fit into the fear category I would also add:

      4. Paranoia

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Alberic O,

      You forgot:

      3. Ignorance

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Justin,

      I'm not playing dumb or defensive. I feel a responsibility to my hub to follow up on all comments. I had a hard time understanding who your last rant was referring to.

      "NO ONE is trying to take anyone's guns away"... who is that in response to?

      Who are the "Gun Nuts" you're referring to?

      "War? Really?" - What was that about?

      Uh, I'd like to be a part of the conversation, if I knew what you were talking about or who you're talking to. :-)

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      Alberic O 4 years ago from Any Clime, Any Place

      Don't worry about those people, Justin. Understand that a lot of gun control arguments (both sides) have 2 things:

      1. Fallacies

      2. Fear

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      Justin Earick 4 years ago from Tacoma, WA

      Seriously? When someone says that their friends are stockpiling weapons to go to war against our own military? Because of an imaginary threat? And not some abstract maybe/if - she says today, right now.

      Plus the old nullification card - not realizing nullification is unconstitutional and means civil war.

      And I'm the one who is heated?

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Justin,

      You are really heated about this issue, yes? Are you venting in general or is your comment in response to someone? I get what you're saying but I'm trying to figure out if these are things you're asking me or someone else.

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      Justin Earick 4 years ago from Tacoma, WA

      By the way, you had a background check only because your purchase was from a dealer. You buy it off the street or craigslist with no background checks.

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      Justin Earick 4 years ago from Tacoma, WA

      I have no idea what some people are talking about.

      NO ONE is trying to take anyone guns away. Where does this even come from? And once again - describe how exactly it would happen logistically...

      The Supreme Court is very clear on the 2nd Amendment and there is 220 years worth of case law; read the Heller case with Scalia & Thomas's rulings - we DO have a right to handguns in our homes.

      No one is disputing this. Except for Wayne LaPierre & Ted Cruz - who think the 2nd amendment means you can have a tank or a machine gun 0r anthrax.

      Where do these gun nuts get their information? From the NRA and Fox "News"?

      War? Really? Against the most powerful military force in the history of the world?

      With assault rifles? Now that's a good one - real knee-slapper.

      These survivalist nut-jobs really need to calm down and meet the rest of us back in the real world.

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      MaximumFatLoss,

      This is heartbreaking. I just don't understand how we could be so cruel to any human, but even worse; turn the mentally ill away. I am sorry about what you are personally going through.

      Yes, this sounds like something that needs to be addressed and it doesn't seem like it's a battle one person can take on. I will do whatever I can do to help. I was also going to mention that RBJ33 - http://rbj33.hubpages.com/, just turned me onto a group the PARTICIPATE Movement. I just joined the group making it 14 members strong in 5 states. The group's intentions are to educate and promote participation in government issues and as members we are asked to reach out and correspond with local representatives, which I have now done as well. I am willing to do anything to make a difference. After all, just standing around complaining doesn't change the world.

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      Abby Campbell 4 years ago from Charlotte, North Carolina

      Cantuhearmescream,

      I have no idea what we can do about this. I know that I have fought with my daughter's administrator of the rest home to fight for the mentally ill. She was one of the few home administrators that didn't kick her residents out without a fight with the government. However, she told me that the rest of the homes had kicked there people out December 31st. The unfortunate thing is that many of these residents were just given notice right before Christmas. I don't know where they ended up going, and it hurts my heart to think they may be out in the cold on the streets. This is definitely a very touchy subject with me, and I have been racking my brains thinking of what can be done by only a few who are willing to stand up for those who can't defend themselves. I am hoping that I will be able to research this a bit more in the near future and try to do some sort of grassroots networking whether it be through writing articles or books or going back to Capitol Hill (I worked there when I was in my 20s as a legislative assistant). If you're as passionate as I am about the topic, maybe we can put out heads together over the next several months and see what we can do. ;)

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      MaximumFatLoss,

      Thank you and I very much appreciate your knowledge and passion on the subject; you brought up a lot of great points. I have shifted my views a bit since the tragedy at Sandy Hook, I had a bit of the “guns have gotta go” mentality. However, gun laws only inconvenience law-abiding citizens and criminals will continue to break the law and not even be affected. I have a brother that is Special Forces in the Airforce and works for the FBI and he is extremely pro-gun because he recognizes that laws will only hurt the “good guys” and less equip them against the “bad guys”.

      I would be comfortable with my brother owning 100 guns and people like you who are educated about them. That is the problem; it is not people like you that create the dangers in society. I don’t like the idea of “unaccounted for guns” but at the same time I can respect where your husband’s friends are coming from.

      We need to be providing more aid, awareness, prevention, resources for the mentally ill not cutting them. How can the government justify these actions? What can we do about this?

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      Abby Campbell 4 years ago from Charlotte, North Carolina

      Cantuhearmescream - This was a terrific hub. I really am captivated by your writing. ;) With that being said, this is definitely a controversial issue and you hit the nail on the head with many issues revolving this topic (through your hub and comments).

      I'll be frank and say that I am a gun owner. As a resident of North Carolina, I must take a course to learn how to shoot and carry a gun. In addition, I must register for any gun and have a background check. I am also in "gun country" and I know many who own guns and are not registered. In fact, some of my husbands' friends have literally hundreds of different firearms that are not registered. The reason for this is because they have been afraid that this day will come where our rights are threatened. I know for a fact that a war will break out here in the south if our 2nd Amendment is overturned. Politicians within the Carolinas are already working on state laws to overcome whatever the Feds decide in opposition.

      We will never eliminate all the guns within our country. Even with background checks and eliminating the mentally ill from getting guns, there will always be mentally ill owning guns legally. After all, many of them were sane at one time and could have obtained their guns at that time. We really need to focus on the moral of our citizens and build a society that is strong mentally. Unfortunately, mental illness is on the rise. I have a 25 year old handicapped daughter living in a rest home with many mentally ill residents. As much as the President of the United States wants to support the mentally ill, this is unfortunately not happening in the state of North Carolina. In fact, our insane asylums have been shut down and the mentally ill are being kicked out of group and rest homes. They were cut off from help as of January 1st of this year (2013). Many of them don't have personal support who can help them appeal their cases, and they are therefore left to the streets. This happened because the Feds cut North Carolina's Medicaid program for the mentally ill. I don't know how many other states were affected, but this is a scary thing. Instead of making the gun laws an issue, we should really be focusing on helping our citizens. :-)

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      Cat 4 years ago from New York

      Thanks,

      He actually was really good about doing the poses I asked him to. He had a great work ethic.