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Who's Gonna Pay For It?

Updated on April 14, 2016
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Robert is a freelance writer/researcher in the Seattle, WA area. He covers current political, economic, and geopolitical news.

Trump’s gonna build the wall. This image says it all.

Trump proposes details of plan to build wall. Does it have a shot in hell?

“You better believe it,” GOP Presidential candidate Donald Trump tells doubters of his plan to make Mexico pay for the wall on our shared border. The New York billionaire has jolted crowds across the country with his populist message of American nationalism, feeding the flames of the immigration debate in, some would say, a dangerous way. The logistics of Mr. Trump’s lofty goals regarding border security and the seriousness of his campaign overall have been difficult to comprehend.

Donald Trump has changed the game during the 2016 Republican primary, proposing a near 2,000 mile long wall in the process. And who's gonna pay for it? Mexico!

The Donald has been called out by media types many times to reveal the details of his ambitious plan to secure our borders. He has since revealed possible particulars. His desire to build a wall is not a metaphor for his hard-stance immigration policy, it appears. He wants to build a literal barrier between our two countries.

Mexico will pay for the wall after Trump cuts of remittance payments to Mexico. These are payments that legal and illegal immigrants in America send back to their families south of the border. By forcing Mexico to lose up to $20 billion per year, their government would be forced to pay for the wall to save their fragile economy. Trump’s strategy to make Mexico foot the bill involves a jiggering of the Patriot Act that regulates some of these payments. Some doubt the legality of it all. Others believe the Republican frontrunner has a shot. He has left other possible avenues open however, such as restricting visas and reducing trade and other economic pressures.

Trump, if elected, could also declare a state of emergency because the southern border with Mexico is not secure.

This excessive use of government and executive power is scary for any sane individual. Apparently $25 billion was sent home by Mexicans living abroad in 2015, Donald Trump said that “the majority of that comes from illegal aliens.”

If illegal immigrants continue to commit crimes in the U.S., like when a 33 year old previously deported Mexican citizen killed a volunteer firefighter, his 22 month old, and 4 year old children outside of Dallas, TX recently, then President Trump could take matters into his own hands.

Trump would likely be stopped by the courts, as Barack Obama was when tried to extend deportation relief to millions of illegal children in the country at the end of 2014 under DACA (Deferred Action for Children Arrivals) and when he tried to stop climate change singlehandedly throught an EPA-issued regulation regarding power plants. This last February, the lower courts temporarily halted the administration’s effort to combat global warming by regulating emissions from coal-fired power plants, while the messy DACA issue is poised to be decided by the Supreme Court before the big election this November.

Americans are not used to having its President possess so much power, but many are now coming around to the idea of a king-like executive. In Mexico, government power achieved through political corruption, on the other hand, is just a fact of life.

Still, the United States is Mexico’s biggest trading partner, with over $1 billion in bilateral trade each day, and millions of Mexicans live north of the border. With Trump’s rise in the political arena, a wave of nationalist and pro-border sentiment has risen with him. Now, the Mexican government is attempting to salvage what standing it still has in the world, moving to highlight its positive contributions to its North American neighbor. But it is likely too late for the Mexican people to ever have faith in their government to do the right thing as Americans somehow believe, despite the fact that government includes millions of imperfect human beings like you and me. Corruption is inherent in Mexican governments, from the local governments of towns near the border, to the Federales in Mexico City. The cartels are in charge, not the federal government. Reality south of the border is much harsher than it is here. The mainstream media and other world leaders defend diversity and open borders as endlessly beneficial. Little do they know that Europeans are building walls faster than they can to preserve their cultures and to keep its citizens safe.

Safety is always a primary concern for the American voter. Trump appears to be a strong and competent leader who will do what he can to keep the country safe. How much he has actually thought about those things is another question for another day. A similarly valid concern, this time for the Democrats, is how to take on big banks without devastating our economy even further. Unfortunately, Bernie Sanders’ plan, or lack thereof, has done little to inspire confidence among the left-leaning members of the electorate.

“If a bank is too big to fail, it is too big to exist,” Democratic Socialist Bernie Sanders proclaims during just about every one of his speeches. The Senator from Vermont knows what issues gets the Democratic base going and he touches on them continuously. He wants to break up the big banks. Give all Americans “free” college and forgive their student loan debt. He is despised by our choice to go to war in Iraq, which he never lets Hillary Clinton forget she voted for. He also illuminates how much the deck is stacked for those at the top and how unequal our society is. So how would he fix that and turn us into the next Soviet Union (a place he honeymooned at...while it was still the Soviet Union)? Turns out he has not given it all that much thought.

Dan Pfeifer, former aide to President Obama, called the transcript of a recent interview with the New York Daily News, “almost as damning as Trump’s with WaPo.” The Presidential candidate was light on specifics during the interview on the first of April, not answering some questions, claiming to need to do more digging on big topics such as trade, fighting ISIS, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and even his campaign's central promise to break up banks deemed "too big to fail".

A recent Vice News article by Liz Fields and Sarah Mimms pinpoints the errors in Mr. Sanders’ ideas that lack a means of implementation. In the end, “Sanders has big ideas, but is short on specifics as to how he would accomplish them.” Sounds eerily similar to someone promising hope and change circa 2008. Sanders did not have a ready answer for how he would break up the big banks, something he harps on a daily basis. He does not even seem to know who would have it in their power to do something like that. Initially he said the Fed has it within their power, but then said maybe the administration has it. And while Sanders is no legal scholar, he has no basis for jailing Wall Street executives for their involvement in the financial crisis, unaware of any laws or statutes they had broken that could be used to indict them. Confounding that he has not studied up on this issue more since it remains so central to his campaign.

The more he attempted to weed into specifics, the more he got tied up in not knowing exactly how or who would implement his lofty goals. The longer the interview went on, “the more it became clear that the candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination doesn’t know much beyond his standard stump speech about breaking up the banks and how he had the good judgment to vote against the Iraq War in 2002”, Jonathan Capehart posits in a recent Washington Post article. While Donald Trump is hit with constant scrutiny on his plans for the country, Sanders is rarely nailed down on specifics for his socialist utopia. “Considering this is the core of his campaign message, Sanders should know...He should have been able to lecture his interrogators into a stupor with his detailed knowledge. Instead, Sanders sounded slightly better than a college student caught off-guard by a surprise test in his best class just before finals.” Though this mishap by the challenger to the Clinton machine will likely be forgotten soon, it is interesting to note his ill preparedness at answering logistical questions central to his campaign.

The fact that the Senator from Vermont has a weak spot in terms of foreign policy and is more focused on domestic issues is no big secret. Further, problems facing President Obama outside our borders such as ISIS/radical Islamic terrorism and Russia flying jets 30 feet away from our warships, are not simple tasks to check off the list. But for him to be railing against millionaires and billionaires throughout his time in the Senate and on the national stage over the past year during his rise in the Presidential race and to have not taken the time to detail the implementation of any of his big bank breaking / executive jailing plans proves how he is not serious in becoming President of the United States.

Maybe Trump was a similarly unserious candidate? Rumors are that he never thought he could actually win the Republican nomination, running to only further his brand and emphasize important issues such as immigration, trade, and national security. The billionaire from New York has only recently, as mentioned above, come out with specifics regarding his Mexican-funded wall. Though light on specifics as well, Trump has at least thought about how his ideas for “Making America Great Again” could be implemented.

Has Sanders thought about it? Sure. Does he think it’s possible? Probably not, or he would have dug just a little deeper. Both Trump and Sanders have been thorns in the sides of entrenched establishments, but both of those thorns can easily be pinched out and forgotten if neither materialize their support into a major party nomination.

Who is better prepared? That is a near impossible question to ask when not exactly sure of a candidate's’ motives and desires. But if one had to pick, Trump, with his success in business would likely steer us out of a recession better and keep us safer than the Democratic Socialist.

Sanders is not ready as he has only been using his candidacy as a megaphone for his big government policies. He has no desire, willpower, or even expertise to enact his vision for America from D.C.

Trump or Sanders don’t vibe with you? How ‘bout Hillary? Texas Senator Ted Cruz? House Speaker Paul Ryan is steering clear. Not sure where to turn? … Bring on small government and liberty with Gary Johnson!

Who?

Exactly.


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    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      bradmasterOCcal 16 months ago from Orange County California

      bodylevive

      Over $20 billion of illegal drugs come in to the US over the open borders. The people in the US are the consumer, and that is a problem that no one seems to understand. That problem translate into more criminals distributing those illegal drugs, people in the US that consume these drugs become expenses on healthcare, and it also means more people filling up our jails. There are over 2 million people in US jails and prisons. There is so much overcrowding, that courts force early release of many criminals. These criminals, many of them go back to the streets, and gangs to commit more crimes. Don't you think that this costs us more in one year, than the cost of the wall even if we pay for it. It would be a one time cost, as opposed to what I mentioned that happens every year.

      That is just for the costs from the illegal drugs, and its associated crimes.

      Terrorists

      How many terrorists can we afford to let into the country? Remember that 911 and the following domestic terrorist attacks only had a few of them. Yet, they devastated the US and created fear and chaos for the American people. That is a win for the terrorists.

      They surprised us in 1992 trying to bomb the WTC, and then again in 2001 where they were really successful. But you people are worried about Muslim refugees and not about how much it is going to cost for the hundreds of thousands of them brought into the US by former pres Obama. You don't care how we are paying for that are you? You don't care that in the last few years the domestic attacks by Muslim terrorists were people coming into the country the same way.

      The cost of the wall would have been way less than half of what it costs today if we would have completed it when congress originally authorized it. But you people didn't want it, so it got delayed.

      It is really sad, when you think more of potential terrorist Muslim refugees than you do of America and Americans. There are lots of homeless, jobless, and sick people in the US, but they are not getting any attention. And you want to bring in refugees and take care of them instead of Americans. That is really sad, that is really not American. Which sort of unveils you as not Americans or having no belief in the American Way. Take care of your own country men before you take care of those from other countries. In addition. bringing in these Muslim refugees means that many immigrants trying to come into the US won't be able to because of quotas.

      As for Illegal Aliens they are the third reason, after Terrorists, and Illegal drugs and contraband that are the reasons for the wall.

      You lock and alarm your homes and vehicles but you want to leave the border unprotected. How does that make any sense?

      The taxpayers have been paying for these illegal aliens for decades, but do you ask how we are paying for their free education, free medical services and criminal activity? These also get welfare and other freebies. But you don't care that the taxpayers have to pick up that tab.

      Mexico is unloading their poor on us, so that we have to take care of them. But you don't care about that. You don't care that they can protest in the streets of Los Angeles and burn the American Flag while flying the Mexican Flag and making demands on the US. While Mexico doesn't let their southern neighbors to come to Mexico. They will give them a 21 day visa so they can go thru Mx and get into the US. Some of the worst gangs in the world come thru to the US because of that.

      These gangs make America unsafe, but you don't care.

      Do you have any idea how much money made in the US goes back to Mx? There are plenty of American citizens that originally came from the south. And they would be able to do the same jobs as the illegal aliens. But they might be more loyal to the US than the illegals. In addition, in California the law prevents any checking of voter eligibility at the polls, so who knows how many illegals have been voting in our election. And because CA has been democrat for several decades, I would say millions. But don't even try to say no, because unless you check how do you know. And it is the democrats that say photo ids put a strain on voting. Yes, for them it would because these illegals vote for the hand that feeds them, the democrats.

      Please put some more thought into your CNN and liberal sound bite opinions.

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      BODYLEVIVE 16 months ago from Alabama, USA

      Trump says Mexico will pay for the wall but the Mexican president has stated Mexico WILL NOT pay for the wall. Let's see who will foot the bill on the wall that has started construction. I don't believe I'd want to be a contractor building the wall and may not get paid. Where is the money coming from to pay the contractors that are out there working on it? Are we the citizens going to be taxed more in order to pay for the work that's being done now?

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      nicomp really 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

      "They also drive down wages for American workers who are citizens. "

      Nope. The companies that pay them are driving down the wages. It's not the fault of the employee.

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      Robert Carbery 2 years ago from Seattle, WA

      Either way, establishment Republican and Democrats alike in Washington would rather maintain the status quo than do anything about the 12M illegals already here or do anything to ensure future security of our borders.

      Illegal immigrants certainly do jobs that Americans refuse to do. They also drive down wages for American workers who are citizens. Companies definitely use illegal labor on construction projects and other sorts of manual labor type jobs.

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      nicomp really 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

      @Ken

      I didn't say large corporations aren't hiring illegals.

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      Ken Burgess 2 years ago from Florida

      @nicomp

      Untrue, I have witnessed in Developments in NY, in NC, in Ohio where companies like Toll Bros. are building entire neighborhoods, new homes going up everywhere, and trying to find even one person that speaks English amongst the hundreds of workers you find there is not easy.

      If you think very large corporations aren't hiring illegals, you have no idea what is going on, literally hundreds of thousands of jobs that should be paying somewhere between $15-to-30 dollars an hour are instead going to illegals.

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      nicomp really 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

      " ...and they take away jobs"

      No at all. They do jobs Americans won't do. No one wants to hire an illegal when they can hire a documented citizen at the same price. We are being undercut but our jobs are not being taken away.

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      Ken Burgess 2 years ago from Florida

      This is ever so simple. Millions of immigrants from Mexico ADD to our costs in Welfare and other services which they do not contribute to, and they take away jobs... many being paid under the table for lower wages than an American could make.

      They are bad for our economy, for jobs, for social services, for our schools, and our society on the whole. To say nothing of what crime may be committed... as if we don't have enough of that from citizens born here.

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      bradmasterOCcal 2 years ago from Orange County California

      I am not surprised that you didn't get any comments. The attention spam of the viewers is not that good. Also, you deviated from the question about Trump and the wall, to Sanders.

      The wall is needed for 3 reasons, not just one.

      1. Make it difficult for Terrorists to come into the country through its gaping hole.

      2. Seriously slow down the illegal drugs from the Mexican Cartel from coming into the country. As well as human trafficking, and gun running by the Cartel.

      3. Reduce the number of illegal aliens coming from the S. Border. Not only Mexicans but those from Central America that comprise our most dangerous gangs in this country.

      We are paying for Mexico's 1o million illegal aliens, with free medical services, free education, welfare, and incarcerating their criminals. This doesn't include the loss of money they send to Mexico, and the taxes that they don't pay.

      Mexico protects their S Border from ingress from Central America, so why shouldn't we do it?

      The cost of the wall has been increasing because of the political delays, and then that is used to say why it can't or shouldn't be done. The US has become the country of PC can't do. Is a wall across our s border difficult, yes. But, is it beyond our ability to do a secure wall, no.

      We have the same problem with building a High Speed Rail in CA, while several countries have already accomplished multiple lines of HSR, China being at the top of the countries to do it.

      The PC liberal left has atrophied the power of the US.

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