This seems especially apparent in younger people and children.
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I think you've hit all of the things I'm worried/thinking about related to this issue, and have selected this as the best answer. I remember the 1980s and early 90s being that way. I want everything my parents have, only brand new, and I want it NOW!
Thanks Laura! The topic was very relevent to me as my husband and I have been advocating for equality in per pupil funding for the neighborhood schools here in DeKalb County, GA. There are far too many hands out and not enough to go around.
You hit on many good points. When we were prosperous we could afford to try to support everyone. In the beginning we hoped by this to make them productive. That seems to have backfired and we have more to support then ever. People need to kick in
Basically said what I wanted to say.
I especially like what you mentioned about today's parents wanting to be their kid's friends rather than parents. Trying to be your kid's "bestie" might make you feel good, but it'll likely turn him into an undisciplined monster.
Well said. Until about four or five years ago we never heard this word. Now it is a political way to frame any discussion of benefits as a discussion of 'entitlements' so as to heap shame on anyone who needs them.
I'm curious, gmarquardt. You say, "I see no excessive entitlement culture wherever I look." How do you define "excessive entitlement" and also where all have you been looking?
CR Rookwood: I minored in English writing so this word is not new to me.
@ LSchneider, I suppose I used the adjective excessive to lesson the impact of the word entitlement. As a public high school teacher, most of my colleagues agree that each generation becomes more "entitled." I just don't see it.
Excellent comment. It's dangerous for so many of the middle class and lower middle class to look downward and blame instead of looking upward to find the source of problems. Believing in perpetuated myths is hurtful to society.
There need to be more people like you! The unemployment numbers wouldn't be what they are. The underemployed numbers may be higher but if people could let go of their ego and take any job vs no job the world would be much better off!
CR, I agree.The obsession w the word "entitlement" -perpetuation of these ideas is misguided, destructive, and archaic. Research indicates that Millennials/First Globals r more socially conscious and active in working toward positive change than any
Good conclusions! I suspect they haven't grown up — most of society feels that way to me!
Good comments—thanks for stopping by.
Valuable points, Who! If only everyone read and ACTED as you suggest, the world would be a better place! Thanks for commenting!
The question has a strong political subtext though. If you ask a question like that it's like poking at a hornets nest. Of course there's going to be lots of stinging going on,
People should not "sting" others, for starters--perhaps that's part of the problem. I simply am reminding people that the voting is NOT based on whether you agree or disagree with anything said but on whether the comment forwards the discussion.
We've indeed been a lax culture of lax individuals. Getting back to family and getting everyone to NOT expect work to be fun is brilliant! Thanks!
I had to laugh because you bring up an excellent point in clever language, stanwshura. By judging others' behaviors we are, ourselves, have felt superior enough to do the judging for some reason. Thanks for the reality check--it was much needed.
Lol. You're welcome - and nothing personal. It's just part of my "baggage"!
No hard feelings at all--no worries. I just feel sheepish that I hadn't looked in the mirror before posting a question about the question I was posting about. (That's illogical--you get my meaning, though.) No problem with baggage--we've all got it.
Stan, you are always spot on!
GMWilliams, you are always spot-on, too! :-).
Thank you everyone for this delightful discussion!
So I'm assuming the people who voted down are for government monopolies, that lower competition in the market place?
I too dislike the voting down of answers that ADD to the discussion. There are far too many trolls here with nothing to add, just vote down :(
Excellent answer and very truthful. If the government wanted to cut down on the amounts of people who seek so-called 'free' gov't services, they would set more restrictions for those who apply for them. Thank you for your comment!
Well I won't vote you down, but I disagree with you. I don't see a lot of lazy people looking for a handout.
I don't see lazy people asking for handouts, although perhaps in some of our subcultures that's the way of life. I have seen people lose a great job suddenly and then suddenly find the need for help from The System to eat and live, but temporarily.
Totally agree with you, kygirl89! We're even taught that it's wrong or bad to say "no" (or to turn down favors we know we don't have time for, etc. etc.).
was going to comment but this box doesn't allow for the space I need to make my point. I will just say work on the front lines of a welfare program and you will quickly see the "entitlement" attitude.I would explain further but I only have 9 letters
However, Billie Kelpin, believing what you suggest in your last paragraph would be a difficult fiction for most to swallow, though I'm glad that you are able to. See nhmomof4's comment. That's the crux of the problem: honesty is all but gone in most.
Nothing crazy about you, crazymom! What a great post filled with personal experience--thanks for sharing your situation and the way in which you're addressing it. I think you're totally on track! Keep up the good work! You're a good Mom, I can tell!
So true, SWilliams! Thanks for commenting on this question! You are always wise in such matters.
Well, now you've done it. Once the hard right rant warriors get a whiff of this, it will be "game on". ( I, too, enjoy the quotation marks). Strap 'em up, Trooper. This will be a "Doozie".
I am a "right wing rant warrior", but I think you've made very good points that are well written and concise. So, although I might not believe it wholeheartedly I'll leave it stand on it's own merits and say thanks for your point of view
WC: You don't think it's lame to use a focused question as an entry to promote your politics? Seriously, we're talking about young people wanting expensive toys, clothes, and cars; you're ranting about war, poverty. Go away--write your own hubs! Bye.
Wow, Had I decided to post a comment, a real one. I may have had the same slant on things that WC did. The question seems broader than child and young people specific. Embrace it LS. Even if we're off message we are responding. That's a good thing.
I apologize, EVERYONE! Re-reading this question and the depth of responses, you're all absolutely right. This can't be limited to iPhone kids--that's inappropriate. It's part of a huge picture. Sorry for being so dense; thanks for commenting anyway!
Indeed! Most people I know haven't tried learning those skills. Ex: they fail a test, not because they went to the movies, "It was an unfair test," or "Paid cheaters skewed the curve." But they played, not worked, earning their F. & "A" for excu
Bravo! The younger generation has no value for what hard work and sacrifice can do!
You have also read the book, THE CHEATING CULTURE.
Good answer! I totally agree!
You are so right, Milady! The kids are raising themselves and their parents. Sad day to see, too! Thanks for commenting!
Good point, Koline Harrison! Thanks for your insight! Kind of the video game/pinball machine "instant feedback/gratification" mindset. I can see that being the case!
I agree with you--it's a facade barely covering the darkness underneath their surface. I didn't intend a political subtext, however. I was just curious. Everybody feels they're powerful and can do anything they want to, even at others' expense.
I have a child who just finished kindergarten and have never seen or heard of a child that young having a phone, so I hope you were being extreme to make a point and don't really believe there are kindergarten students walking around with cell phones
No when I lived in San Jose, CA there were 3 girls who had cell phones. In toronto I see grade 2s and 3s with cell phones. I'm not around kindergartens up here to know if they have phones. No being extreme for me.
Children should only be allowed a phone when they are old enough to go out alone. (i.e. 16). Even then, there should be very limited capabilities. I have seen children as young as 8 and 9 with them, which is more than a bit ridiculous!
LilaDaley I hear what you're saying, but (like wearing makeup, going out on dates, getting a job) the absolute age when a child acquires an adult responsibility varies. Not all cell phone-using 5-yr olds are irresponsible, nor their parents stupid.
I usually don't "blame the parents", but in this case I agree. I think the poor parenting comes trickling down from the zoo we had in the U.S. in the 1960s: sex, drugs, & rock-n-roll. (Not that the music is at fault.) Perhaps a damaged gene pool.
Wow, very insightful! Good for you for not outright paying for college for your kids, too! Children must grow up to become independent adults and not expect "instant gratification", I agree! Parent-friends is another good point you make. Thanks!!
I totally agree with you regarding children passing off "wants" as "needs"! I think parents may be doing it, too. They may be working themselves too hard to provide these "needs", when they could let go of the '80s and '90s and teach "less is more".
Blaming a government, corporation, or society for our individual failures is what I think you're talking about. If so, I agree that we need to do this--make this change--ourselves. Do the right things, don't cheat the systems, help those in need...
Exactly, I think it's natural for people to want to contribute and do their part, it makes us feel good. Entitlement robs us of the sense of self worth and independence. The process can be reversed in the ways you suggest. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
You have got to be jesting. No middle income parent can afford to supply their children with the abovementioned!
gmwilliams, I'm afraid that she's not totally jesting: in my experience, too, that's kind of the "American Dream", so to speak, of those kids she's referring to, whether their parents can afford it or not, regardless of earnings brackets. Sad.
it's only abundant because people produce...and resources are never limitless they are just efficiently managed. If only we had more people on the job, I bet we would do marvelous things
I don't think that applies to our "society" as a whole but perhaps only 1% of its 99% of Americans (abundance and limitless resources). Like Darkland, I think abundance occurs because people produce and recsources are efficiently managed.
I asked the question to get a discussion started about a topic that is often discussed in the US media and conversations. It was just a common question to bring out various viewpoints on the subject, which it clearly is. Apologies if it offended you.
I think you have succeeded in getting a discussion started, if after a year people are still commenting. Personally I see nothing of what Ms. Froehner is saying in either your question nor your attitude. You have been a perfect hostess, thanks
Thank you, darkland! I appreciate your comment. As always. :-)
No, you're obviously not alone. :-) Thanks for answering!
So very true!
Taking that a step off the deep end, the "real world" is different for different people and different geographies, and different personalities.... There are probably as many "real worlds" as there are humans.
I think you made your point very well. Voted up.
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