What means socialism to you and are you for it, partially for it or totally against it?
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LandmarkWealth, you brought some interesting thoughts to surface here. Thank you.
Socialism in moderations, as I wrote about, most certainly does recognize individual liberty. I bet you didn't know that libertarians like you often believe that liberty means the freedom to be serve the races you want to serve in your restaurant.
I am quite familiar with libertarian views. Socialism is simply a transition into fiscal insolvency and soft tyranny given enough time. In some cases hard tyranny. The track record as a political system is abismal.
Your view that all socialism is tyranny is wrong. While I believe in separation of church and state, the argument that helping the poor, for example, through government, is invalid because God made that a requirement for OT Israel.
There is no such thing as helping the poor through gov't. The Dept of Interior spends more than 40k per year on families below the poverty level for decades. If they gave them the 40k they wouldn't be in poverty. Political altruism doesnt exist
I didn't say government was always effective, and certainly it can always improve. But you are saying it is theft and I believe OT Israel is an example that it is not theft.
It is theft when the gov't funds anything beyond an essential function of society. What is essential is clearly debatable.
You give Caesar what Caesar wants. The founding fathers' gripe was not about taxation, but about taxation without representation. That is an improvement on Caesar, but it is still about taxation.
I am not referencing the concept of taxation, but rather the uses of tax revenue. The gov't has gone far beyond it's intended limited role in recent deacades. It is a slow march toward eroding personal freedoms and economically destructive.
bgamall, Believers are told to give froma cheerful heart and not out of compulsion. Confiscatory taxes used as a way to redistribute from one person to another only leads to more and more governemental interference. What is a "fair" % to take?
Thanks Mitch Alan, I see that a lot of Americans are willing to give freely/voluntary and I once read somewhere that this Nation is the biggest in voluntary support.
Prior to the recession the US gave away in charitable donations nearly 300 billion annually. Those numbers are currently down as a result of the current economic malaise.
God thought leaving the corner of farmers' fields for the poor in Old Testament Israel was both good and just. I wrote about it at Business Insider and it is in a link for the article I just wrote about this subject. I turned my answer into a hub.
What we interpret God's will to be should be irrelvant in economic policy. Charity must come from the heart, not through Gov't coercion. And it is far more effective when done privately. What if I was an atheist ??? (Which I am not)
Josak, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I am actually wondering if there is such thing as a perfect type of government. Isn't each lacking somewhere....? Nothing in this world will ever be perfect I guess.
No such thing as a perfect system, not yet anyhow but we can hope.
I don't believe you need all business shared to have useful socialism.
So, which one are you for? I am for capitalism with a necessary dose of socialism. Our highway system is socialistic, and we all own it. Good thing we have it.
I have never seen a road shortage except when non socialist Republican politicians refuse to build new roads.
bgmall, I never saw a socialist that could build a 15 trillion dollar economy like we have in the United States.
Ask much of American business what it would be like to have fewer government contracts. BTW, Las Vegas exists because of the Hoover Dam which was sponsored by government. Did you know that banksters were afraid to fund Las Vegas development! Stupid.
You need to check your history. Las Vegas wasn't built by the Hoover Dam. Las Vegas was built by the Italian Mafia. And it exists today because of billion dollar investments of private sector corporations.
The Hoover Dam made the water source for Las vegas possible. Yes, the mob had a vision that the banksters could not even see. Not saying they were very moral, just that they had an idea. Bankers should have been the ones backing Las Vegas instead.
The economy would be way better off without gov't contracts. For each job gov't creates their is one lost elswhere as there is not trade of value for value. Henry Hazlitt demonstrated this in 1946 with the "Fallacy of the broken window theory"
And now the promise of the Hover Dam is failing...the man made attempt is falling short as water is not as plentiful as promised and people need to move away...look into it.
Two things are amazing to me. First are the amount of average Joes on this website that are so afraid that the wealthy may have some of their wealth captured for the poor, or to hire more police. And how many of you want toll roads you don't own?
What % of one person's private property is "OK" to confiscate by force? What's wrong will toll roads, I use them all the time...I pay when I use them...
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