I don't want to get into the whole abortion debate, I just want to know how you would decide if something was human or not. An individual or a part.
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The part I find curious is that you wrote until after it is born and can sustain itself, does that mean a baby in NICU is not a baby, but still a fetus?
Or.. what about Babies who are yet born but fully capable of sustaining life if removed from the womb early?
I said until it's born - an unborn baby can't be in a NICU - how does a premature baby have anything to do with the question? A baby in utero is a human feturs. A fetus inside of its mother is not self-sustaining human life until born.
I second that notion.
Does the father not have the right? I always hear people say that it is the mother's body and she can choose to do what she wants to do. What if she wants to terminate and the father wants to keep his child?
In respect to intentional pregnancies U R correct. In the case of rape & incest, (or a fetus that is grossly malformed), the father has no say at all unless he is the one caring for it 24/7. Life is never simply black or white.
In the case of rape or incest should the father have any say? No!
How does it have a soul or become human for that matter before it ever even gets a heart beat?
fetus isn't a bad word - and it's what all of our babies are when we carry them. I loved my babies too but they were still embryos then fetuses etc.
No matter how you cut it, a fetus/embryo is still a human baby, just a different stage of development. Just because they are not fully formed, does not mean they have less value.
I would think we celebrate "birth"days because that is when the baby is born, not necessarily because that is when the baby becomes alive. An "alive"day would be hard to determine because people can't usually deterine day of conception or heart beat
We celebrate Birthdays because that is the day the baby was born. I also celebrate the days I got a positive pregnancy test. With my first I found I was pregnant May 1st 2008 and my second I found out June 17 2011.
Most concede humanness upon conception, the question should be when do personhood and rights begin? Are the mother's rights equal to or greater or lesser than the embryo? Human rights are involved and must be the point of consideration for all.
I would not suggest to anyone that abortion for the sake of convenience is valid; reason must be applied along with caution and common sense. We do not open the door to vanity, but the door must be available for those that have need.
I do not think that is true at all.
The question is, is it a person in the sense that you or I are? The answer for me is no, it isn't. I wouldn't feel bad at all about destroying what you show in your picture.
So you would be OK with destroying it even if it was a picture of you? Presumably you did go through this stage, yourself.
Sterling Sage - So if I don't feel bad about destroying a person it is okay? Who gets to decide when it is okay to kill someone?
Sterling: If someone had destroyed YOU at that stage YOU would never have been born and YOU would not have had a full life.
I used to feel the same way as you before my fist child (the incident above) and I think I did answer the question. A fetus,like the one above, senses danger (in an abortion) and crawls to the top of the womb. YES it's human.
Each situation is different. I can see how some would be fine aborting a fetus at this stage. It makes zero sense to bring an unwanted child into this world.
I understand that different people feel differently. It's just my perspective.
To answer your questions, yes, it would have been ok if I were not born. I wouldn't have any chance to be unhappy about it, and someone else would have a life instead.