I think I saw a bumper sticker that said this. Obviously, this would be a very liberal position, but are there any actual similarities? Is this a statement you would support or oppose?
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D.william, your comment is completely inconsistent with fact. While the TP members have put the brakes on more immoral debt spending, the president has found a way to add trillions to our immoral deficit.
RW: thanx 4 ur 'inteligent' comments. The typical response from the T.P. is 2 attack & call names when they have no idea what they R talking about. U, sir R 1 of them. The T.P. 's in DC are the obstructionists, & a major factor in our probl
D.william, I called no names. merely stated fact. Refute my facts, which you cannot. You and I both agree; the TP members have stopped further debt spending and increased taxes. You evidently don't like that; I prefer it.
Yes, obstuctionist to fiscal irresponsibility.
you have no idea what you are talking about.
The clock referenced below is the gov't precise calculation of UNFUNDED liability.All Defined Benefit plans have a future liability in actuarial terms which is either funded or unfunded.The fact that the congress has invasive powermeans nosegregation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihUoRD4pYzI did you actually look at Ronald Reagan's video? Or is he off base too?
Yes he is way off base...That is not evem close to accurate. The totality of entitlement spending makes up nearly 2/3rds of todays current budget. More than 780 billion 3.5 trillion is SS alone. Without SS & medicare we have a 400 billion surplu
Well said my friend!
Thank you for the truth, landmark. We need more.
LMW: Ur 'truths' could not B further from the T.P. agenda by the way they R acting in Congress as obstructionists. As usual U talk great, but offer little of substance.
d.william repeatedly cites 'obstructionism.' The question: what specifically have the TP members obstructed. Specifics please.
RW. If U need to ask, U have not been following politics 4 the past 4 yrs.
d.william, thanks for validating my presumption that your rationale is as deep as the media talking points you repeatedly spew. As the rest of us know, you cannot cite 'obstruction' without admitting that the TP stopped additional deficit spending.
RW:can you give an example of how the TP stopped additional spending? Sounds great, but just not true
how about the fact the non defense discretionary was up 24% Obama's first 2 years, the last two years it has been the slowest in decades.
What similarities, Robephiles? Be specific.
Yes, struggling to hold onto outdated ideas like balanced budgets, the immorality of deficit spending, small government, limited government reach, low taxes, fed duties consistent with the Constitution. And you don't want these because....?
RW: to adequately address your comments would take volumes 2 even try to get U 2 C ur misgivings. Attitudes create problems - not fix them.
TP= Small gov't, limited fed powers, state's rights, low taxation, strict Constitutional constructionism, etc. Save your '2 volumes' of liberal slant. That liberal slant got us what we have today. It doesn't work.
RW: thank goodness the majority of americans disagree with your philosophy as indicated by the recent elections. There is hope for us after all.
Actually the exit polls favored smaller gov't by the majority. They just didn't trust Romney to deliver, nor was he good at communicating a message.
Your comment is frightening.
Robert, it's just another open minded liberal who wants to line people up against the wall who disagree...What's wrong with that ??? Don't you know the Gov't knows best who should be iradicated.
"Your comment is frightening" lol What was that quote about "can't handle the truth", or something? Haha ...
Here's something to think about: when the pendulum swings to one extreme, it will inevitably and eventually also swing to the other extreme.
Mr. Happy, are you saying that the anti-TP forces (liberals) will actually execute their opposition? Your laughter at this horrendous idea is macabre and hollow. Have you not studied history? Nothing funny about it all.
Mr. Wise, Macabre is the way we run our societies ... macabre is the way we exploit our animal cousins, Mother Earth and all its inhabitants. If people continue to kill each other over ideals, that is stupidity in my mind - we get what we deserve.
I'm more depressed that none of the five people who replied to this got the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy reference...
And yet they fight for controlling women's rights, 2 increase discrimination against gays, dismantle social security, turn our gov into a corporate run entity, turn our gov into a theocracy, mandate morality & more more...? Way to go T.P.
d.william, your arguments are silly and untrue. They are media talking points for consumption by the unthinking and ignorant. Ironically, some of these silly simplifications could be just as easily overlaid onto democrat platforms.
media talking points? Ex: in the year 2011 alone the House introduced 1500+ pieces of legislature that adversely affected women's rights alone. R U paying attention, or just repeating Fox new rhetoric?
d.william, your statement that the House intro'd '1500+ pieces of legislation' in any year is ludicrous on its face. Adding the leftist anti-woman lie to it again validates that you have no fact nor clue about what is truth. 1500 pieces indeed!
No not womens rights...Lawyers rights to add to our already overly litigious society. Dismantle Social Security ??? Dismantle an unfunded liability of 16 trillion in an economy that is only 15.4 trillion in GDP. No reform needed there...briliant
my last comment. U 2 are grossly misinformed. 1. Go 2 the House of Rep site & view all bills introduced for 2010-11. 2. S.S. is not a liability, it is funded by payroll tax ded. http://youtu.be/ihUoRD4pYzI view and learn something
I am afraid you are the one who is misinformed, that is a statment about a different demographic period. And there is no segregatedSS trust fund anymore. It's all one budget now. Read the last line of UNFUNDED liability...http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Ur debt clock video is not valid. It has nothing to do with S.S. funding. It is still a separate entity. Go to So.. Sec. web site & learn about what it is, & how it works. Congress has tapped into it, & as usual screwed up the total a
It is not MY clock.It is a direct feed from the US treasury and the Federal Reserve.That is the actuarial value of liabilities. All due respect I run an investment firm specializing in these types of projections.You don't seem to understand the topic
Arguing over scraps I see, Mr. Financial Investment Adviser:
"Only after the last tree has been cut down,
Only after the last river has been poisoned,
Only after the last fish has been caught,
Only then will You see that money cannot be eaten."
Money is simply a representation of Capital. Captial investment creates things like fire breakers that prevent forrest fires, developed by "for profit" lumber companies who preserve land, not destory it, because its in their best interest.
Corporations preserving lands is like saying the mouse is going to watch over the block of cheese. You do not have to sit and read my entire article but just look at the photos. Is this preserving lol: https://hubpages.com/travel/Northern-Ontario
LW: U sure live on a different planet than the rest of us. Ur clock has nothing to do with S.S. don't twist my words to suit ur mindset. i understand logic, U understand ur own venue w/o logic. Even the madman convinces himself of his own logic
When was the last time you heard of a lumber company having a forrest fire. Thats what happens on public land. Or for that matter running out of trees. They use land the way a farmer uses a crop. If they deplete the land their out of business.
If they deplete the land their out of business. - Mr. Landmark, that is a myth. Once a corporation is done extracting the resources in a specific area, they move to a different area. We can talk about mining and DeBeers, or we can talk about BP ...
Really is that what farmers do, pick the corn and never regrow it. The logging industry developed fire breakers to harvest one area while they regrow another which also reduced forrest fires. Unlike public parks in CA where they burn out of control
your kindness, generosity and naivety is commendable albeit misguided.
d. - Glad you wrote because it gave me a chance to view your profile - we're of very-like mind, but like the comment in your profile, I too... "try to combat discrimination in all of its forms." You'd like my rap "Women My Age" under Kelpin(?)
Billie: i am disappointed you have no hubs to read. But i do like your profile.
I'm a very right leaning conservative and appreciate your civility and don't believe its naive at all to give those of opposing ideas the benifit of the doubt!
Your comments might be interesting for purposes of discussion if they were based in fact but they are not. I thought Hubpages was for purpose of inteligent dialogue. Evidently that is not the case.
Trolls rarely contribute anything intelligent to the dialogue... and some can't even spell the word.
Just checked out Robert Wises' profile page..no hubs, not following anyone, no activity.........not so wise afterall..