We've recently had several cases of Christians who are bakers, photographers, innkeepers, etc who refuse to bake cakes, take wedding pictures, or host weddings when it concerns homosexuals because it's against their religious beliefs and the gays are using local government to force them. What should they do? I say they should bake bad cakes, take crappy pictures, and decorate the hall in uncoordinated colors. What are your suggestions?
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Freddy, it's not a question about the money, it is a question of the individual being forced to perform a service that does not agree with their belief. Would the state force a Christian to bake a cake for a Satanist event?
It's just cake. Sheesh.
The real question is should local government be allowed to force a small business to serve customers they do not wish to do business with. I think that is far above the power and authority of local government.
Right, Old Poolman. Government is definitely overstepping its authority.
Freddy, if it was just about the cake, then why did the gays not go to another baker? Are Christians the only bakers around?
If your business' purpose is to serve the public, that "public" includes gay people, Satanists, witches, Trekkies and everyone else, like it or not.. You don't have to agree with them. So either deal with it, or get out of that business.
Freddy - One of the perks of owning your own business is being your own boss. There are rights that come with this and no government should tell you whom you are required to serve. That is the point of this whole thing.
So, you'd be fine with a gay business owner refusing a Christian, or a pacifist refusing an old white guy in an NRA hat? How about a Muslim refusing unveiled women? Or a liberal refusing someone wearing a tea party shirt?
And you would be fine with local government dictating to business owners what they may and may not do?
You didn't answer the question. I'm fine with the government enforcing laws which represent the will of the people. I would agree the same if it was a gay baker being punished for not baking a cake for a Christian couple.
I believe by risking everything they own, a business owner should have the right to operate their own business as they see fit. My only gripe is local government being involved with private business.
The public has rights as well, as codified by laws enacted through their representatives. One such right is having an equitable public market. If a business chooses to operate in the public market they accept being bound to that.
Junkseller, having owned and operated several small business operations, I respectfully disagree with you. I sometimes refused to do business with individuals just because I didn't think it would be a good relationship.
As a general principle, I don't disagree with you, I just think that there is a particular harm and danger when that refusal is based upon someone being black, or a woman, or gay, or a Christian for that matter.
I would agree with your last comment.
I agree with you. The decision to turn away business is strictly up to the business owner. Most business owners don't do this except in extreme cases because they need the income.
It's an interesting point that you make. Christ himself who did not want to kowtow to the state paid for it with his life. It is amazing to me that an individual Christian will be persecuted for their belief in the USA in the 21st century.
very true. Funny how people criticize Christians for thinking they're right in their views and for speaking out against what they think is unethical. Yet when others speak out against Christianity they are courageous. interesting society we live in.