Can someone explain to me why Americans (USA) typically say "socialist" in a negative way. I've been doing some research and many of these "socialist" societies are quite happy AND well provided for. So what is the big deal? Why are so many against the concept and why is it said in a bad way so often?
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I just have to say this is such an excellent answer!
I agree, well stated!
Capitalism has potential 2 exploit, but it also has the opportunity to do good ex Corporate Social Responsibility. It is what we make of it. Socialisms intentions r good, but it doesn't end up that way because the leaders actually exploit the people
Concept and implementation are always different things. You could argue we aren't much of a functioning democracy as well, that doesn't mean it is a bad idea. Capitalism, however, exploitation=profit. That fatal flaw is built into the design itself.
So what u r saying is that we should get rid of capitalism?
I'd say we should get rid of exploitation. How exactly to do that and what would be left if we did do it are well beyond what I could answer.
I agree what would b left is more than anyone could explain because it is hard to define what is "exploitative" business practice is. Some can argue credit is exploiting, but when it helps someone put food on the table for a month. who r we 2 say?
Who are we not to say? It is wrong to profit from someone else's misfortune. I have no problem saying that. However, in this context, exploitation had a specific definition according to Marx that is different from how we commonly use it.
Of course it is wrong to profit from some1's misfortune, but who gets to decide what is ethical and unethical? This is why I used the credit example. Some say credit is unethical and destroying the middle class. Should we rid the world of credit then
I agree, this is an excellent and informed answer.
What a silly scare talk about socialized health care!
Most countries in Europe, as well as Canada have far more reasonable, high quality health services than what Americans are paying for, if they can even afford it!
And yet the US has the highest survival rate in the treatment of almost every major illness. Cancer..Heart Disease...HIV etc
Is that like being the best at building prisons? Maybe we are really good at because we have so much of it due to overall poor health and healthcare (e.g. 33% obesity). Compare to Japan. A third per capita spending, 3x as many doc visits, 3.9% obes.
We spend more because we can. We have more access. We don't wait on a list for surgery for months and sometimes years. It's a perk of being the richest nation in the world. When you ration care...it is less costly because you're not providing it
junkseller, that has nothing to do with r_hruz's argument, which is subsidized medicine. If prevention was his point he wouldn't have an argument because he is Canadian and would fall into the obese group.
My point was also about subsidized healthcare. Many countries with sub. systems are more satisfied and spend less than we do. Access and care for major disease is only one variable to consider, and for many, not the most important.
Results are what matter. People are always happy with something they percieve to be free until they have to actually use it. Then they get what they pay for.
Or, people are fully aware of what they pay, use their healthcare system all of the time, report their satisfaction, and you just choose to ignore it. But, I'm sure you know their minds better then they do themselves.
I know that not many are leaving the US to fly overseas to get care. But they come here all the time. I guess there are people who would be foolish enough to be more satisfied with system in which you are more likely to die of every major illness.
Actually what is foolish is thinking that a system in which you are more likely to die from more common minor illnesses is better. Check out amenable mortality statistics.
Check out the methodology of determining mortality. It is not universal. Many nations eliminate the most vulnerable people from their metrics, such as infant mortality. They simply don't count huge number of them. That tends to help their stats.
My wife is from a country with subsidized medicine and she said that the healthcare is atrocious. It is sub-standard and takes forever to be seen, so you still need insurance because it is faster and better to see private doctors.
The UK has the NHS, the greatest health care system in the world......................... when it works.
My wife lived there as well. Mainly in Spain. Getting an appt for just about anything was a nightmare. That's why Europeans with money still buy private care.
There's good and bad in every system. Comparing the best of one system against the worst of another is not an honest assessment.
People vote with their feet. And there is no other nation on earth that more people flee to for top medical care.
Like I said, best of one system. Even so, we are not the top destination for medical care. Thailand is with Singapore, Mexico, and India all in the top 5 (and growing). Take off the American flag you have wrapped around your eyes.
Mexico...LOL. Take off your blinders. Nobody with cancer in the US will go to Mexico. They go to Memorial Sloane Kettering, MD Anderson, Moffitt Cancer Institute. Our big problem is Mexicans crossing the border to have babies in US hospitals.
Yes, that's terrific. America exceeds at top-tier care for the wealthy. Congratulations. Not much point continuing this since you are evidently incapable of examining any metric other than that.
junkseller, u r moving the proverbial goal post. this was a conversation about the US medical, u said we failed @ overall health. when we squashed that u moved 2 overall satisfaction, then to poor people healthcare. We get it, u hate the US. letsmove
LW said nothing about overall healthcare. He has only mentioned top tier care. I have simply tried to point out other variables, amongst many. Cherry-picking good and ignoring bad (and vice versa) is not an analysis. It is bias.
The point has to be made about basic social services have to be provided by any civilized society to the population at large before spending enormous amounts on a war machine and not deprive ordinary people to maintain a predatory capitalist system!
Net results are overall healthcare. And gov't spending money on basic social services is precisely what makes them more expensive and less available to the lower income. Gov't provided social services destroys price discovery and increases cost.
Oh man, just because you make your living selling over priced private health insurance products which soak all the suckers who want to continue financing an exploitative system, we are not falling for your capitalist BS much longer!
I don't sell insurance or any other financial product for that matter. I get paid for my time and performance. And your personal attacks only display your lack of knowledge of economics.
"Survival rates in Canada, Japan, Australia and Cuba were all comparable to or higher than U.S. survival rates on all types of cancer that the Lancet study examined, except for prostate cancer. " - FactCheck.org
And this is done with a greater heterogeneous population, which has a greater impact on outcomes than in other nations with less diverse backrounds.
very well put!
Yes, but when the Death Star is finally completed, the US will have total world and universe domination.
Right on the money! "History is filled with examples of gov't abusing people first with soft tyranny and then often later with more severe imposition on the liberty of people." Precisely and it can happen here . . .
The US is a perfect example of predatory capitalism where mega corporations, the military and clandestine intelligence services run the country in the interest of a few - and you live off the BS you got to the question: What was JFK and 9/11 about?
"To start earning BIG COMMISSIONS with this system, you just use your CB ID ... and we give you your own personal affiliate link to make a huge income!" Franto, from your income system page. You sound like quite the capitalist. lol
Predatory capitalism...LOL providing a product or service to a customer base in return for compensation is not Predatory in any sense. What is Predatory is when the govt intervenes in a market and distorts outcomes to socially engineer results.
One only needs to read today's headlines about Kim Jong Un sentencing his uncle to death. One of the charges was that he "halfheartedly" clapped when Kim received a title. Good old socialism! lol
How can you say such nonsense when we all know how Marxism has evolved and giving modern China more success than you will ever get from the capitalist system in the US?
China only evolved when they started adopting Capitalism. The only part of socialism they have left are the human rights issues.