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Least executive orders in 100 years! But im sure these people were all in line to impeach Bush, Bush, Reagan and Bush...SNARK
low numbers do not make them better or good -
content and outcome do.
many have lost health insurance
many are feeling a tremendous economic pinch due to the unnecessary coal bans
many are unemployed due to the radical agenda
People are unemployed because the jobs were out-sourced. No one need be w/o health insurance any more. TONS of jobs available in new technology/re-newable nrg. Replace coal, but unprofitable for robber barons.
Your good outcome bad for me
when a President states "I won - you lost", it is definitely viewed as treasonous in a democratic republic where the elected officials are expected to work for the people not vice versa.
Obama has always been a failure - except when it comes to lying
Except that the President never said that, not that reality has any interest to you. Even if he had it is hardly treasonous to state a matter of fact.
" "I won," Obama noted matter-of-factly, according to sources familiar with the conversation." meaning "I won, you lost".
"I won" meaning the American majority ALREADY decided this issue when they elected him. Time to move on. That's a simple statement of fact you are somehow twisting into treason.
Right. Like Bush said "I am the decider", and Cheney wanted a Unitary Executive. Treason then? Ahaha.Patriotism then! Like Kasich: "We are in charge now, you dont HAVE a say"... Stunning hypocricy on display daily. And ignorance of history!
Few politicians have shown wisdom during the present Administration tyranny. When the President abuses power to attack those that disagree with him, it is tyranny-no matter what his worshippers may think. Many societies have perished this same way.
Obama has attacked? More like the other way around! Show me once he hasattacked anyone!
You are correct. President Obama hasn't done anything that other Presidents have done. And, just as Nixon lied and was removed from office, so should Obama be removed for lying. The current fear mongering must stop or the nation will be destroyed.
tbHistorian: "the current fear mongering must stop (right after I talk about the destruction of the country, radical operatives, and tyranny)" Hilarious. keep up the comedy act, dude, this is great stuff.
I have a pen - is when a President refuses to negotiate - tyranny exists
Benghazi was due to movie
The IRS did nothing wrong
you can keep your healthcare plan
you can keep your doctor
Patriots will soon secure the nation again.
All pres have a pen...its the way we do
Benghazi WAS due to movie-why you think they made it? Patreus changed the report. RW cabal
IRS head was Bush appointee-you have problem, take up w him
Insurance must comply w law-no more theft
Traitors not coup
"Behgazi was due to a movie"..even the President is claiming that anymore. The IRS already admitted to illegal activity. And the Bush Appointee to the IRS was an Obama donor. Every adm appoints people across the political isle. Doesn't tell us much
Yes it does. It tells there was no partisan attempt to go after poor tea party like they claimed, and for which they wasted tax money on. Just as they wasted tax money on shut-down, and RMoneys horse. They use anything to harrass and bully.Unpatriots
The IRS already confessed to illegally targeting conservative groups. There is an active investigation into who ordered it which is yet to be concluded, which we now know originated in DC as per congressional testimony of Ohio officials in the IRS
Bulloney. They were looking at groups which claimed tax-exempt status, butwere really pushing political agenda:bingo. Tea party totally political. Theres only an Iinvestigation because Issa is in charge of it. He is out to get Obama, as he serves TP.
Eric Holder's DOJ appointed the Obama donor to investigate the IRS not Issa. And the ratio of conservative 501c3 groups vs liberal ones was statistically implausible. Hence their ADMISSION of ILLEGALLY targeting them.
Thats not how I see it. Since they were pulling fraud, they deserved to be scrutinized. But they cry, and get attention. Naacp, eric dyson, acorn all scrutinuzed by Bush. That illegal? Liberal org only one fined, so how TP the victim? Fly right, no p
It doesn't matter how you see it. It was illegal to target them. And these groups were not committing fraud. 501c4 rules allow non-profit status for entities that attempt to influence legislation and promote social policy. Nothing illegal about it
Bulloney! They were not targeted any more than any other scam group. And what social policy were they promoting by depicting our president as a voodoo witch doctor w a bone thru his nose, and threatening with guns? they want special treatment, imho.
The IRS already CONFESSED to targeting them in the BOLO lists. The ratio was nearly 300 to 6. Please cite a specific piece of evidence of one of these groups that were held in limbo portraying the president as any of those things.
Well, if a Bush appointee was doing it, maybe there was a reason to. Obviously, hes not a partisan for the dems. And I would be suspicious too, given the dirty money they deal in. And if you are going to tell me you never saw the signs I mention, ???
The Bush Appointee was an Obama donor. The illegality has already been confessed to. The question is only whether or not it was deliberately done with motive. And congressional testimony has shown it was overseen by DC contradicting prior WH claims.
That not what I read. I read whole game changed after citizens united, political groups on the right use patriot in name. They were asking tax exempt. I would check them too! 9/12 was glenn beck political sideshow. How they to know, but investigate?
It doesn't matter what your view is of citizens united or any other law. The law is the law. They have as much right to organize under the parameters of the law as any other group. The IRS doesn't get to single out any group based on their views.
Ok, then when Greenpeace, Naacp, Planned parenthood, and Eric Dyson were singled out, it was illegal. They didnt cry, so Bush got away with it. I darn sure am not crying for tea party. As usual, its only a problem when BO is prez.
None of those indiv's or groups had their status held in limbo indefinitely. I have been audited multiple years in a row as well. That is not an example of anything other than what is likely a high DIF score.
Well, Dyson didnt think so. He was publically critical of Bush response to Kartina, and was subsequently audited 5 yrs in a row...that normal? If TP looked at, its because they ARE shady! Always have been. Dirty Money: no way of knowing who it is.
The IRS audits about 1% of all returns annually. But the probability of audit is increased with income.Once you are selected for audit, it is fairly common to be audited several years in a row, because they virtually always find something on everyone
So, if they audited him because he didnt like Bush, thats ok? Dyson thinks they did. I know Bush FCC came down on Stern because he was anti-Bush...so really, the TP claims, to me, are childs play. And they ARE political to the teeth!
Dyson thinks so ??? Does he have proof of this or that it was outside the statistical norm ??? The TEA party example is a clear cut violation and admission of illegal activity. The only question is whether it was done with coordinated intent.
I do not agree with you. They were barraged with all these rwers looking for a freebie. Its their job to see its legit.Btw, do you know it was Issa who told them to do it? Turns out, he wanted Obama to look bad, and it got him 450,000 in campaigncash
Another fallacy, IRS IG report showed the number of 501c4 applications went down in 2010 from 2009 when the targeting began. They already confessed and the legality of their actions is not in dispute anymore. Only whether it was coordinated.
Ah, but it is in dispute! Treasury dept inspector general says Issa told them to focus on tea party groups.Issa should be holding hearings on himself! Seems HE was the coordinator....and the reason was to make Obama look bad...Impeach Issa.
What are you talking about ??? Treasury Inspector never once said that Issa directed the IRS to hold up the approval of 501c4 apps in limbo, which is the entire issue. They were neither approved nor denied and given a chance to appeal for years.
Well, the spokesman fir Russell George said they did. And you said they did too. He says Issa told them to "narrowly focus on tea party groups, and those with patriot in title"guess ole Issa left that part out of his investigation. Guess hes a shill.
Never said that at all.He said Issa told him to focus on the Tea party in relation to investigating who's app's were held in perpetuity,because none of the liberal groups were.There was nothing to investigate there because none were held up for years
Nope. Sorry, they were looking at ALL groups asking for tax exemptions. Didnt target Tea Party until Issa asked them to. Just like Benghazi and birtherism, its concocted scandal to bring down prez. Aka: treason. These creeps will go down in history.
the Prez is doing a great job bringing down himself. 35 scandals and counting. "We the people" have had enough. The next election will provide the strong people who will expel the tyrant.
You the people are 12%. If you bring him down, its thru subterfuge. We the people spoke....twice. You the people have a huge superiority complex, and cant fathom that we have moved beyond you. And Issa should be removed!
What part of the words IRS CONFESSION do you have a difficult time understanding. Nowhere in any report cited anywhere did Issa authorize or get accused of authorizing the IRS to target the Tea Party. He is a Tea party supporter.
What report is that, Issas? I wouldnt trust that w a 10 ft pole. Since as you said, hes a tea party supporter. So, he gets irs to target them-- they get to cry victim of Obama tyrant, he get $450,000 for his dogged constant tax-funded hunt on prez.
It was a public statement issued by the IRS on 5-10-2013. And Issa is a member of the house. The IRS does not fall under the legislative branch. It is under treasury, which is the Executive branch. Your accusations are logistically impossible.
Karen Kraushaar, communications director, Treasury Inspector General: investigators contrained by Issa. Told to "narrowly focus on tea party groups". Report not mention liberal orgs targeted, because that not fit Issas
narrative: "Obama is a thug."
Yes...that is narrowly focus on the investigation into the IRS actions against the Tea Party. Because their were only a dozen lib groups flagged and none held up for years. Why would he want to investigate an area where there where no complaints.
They also targeted groups with progressive and ows in them. Must not have been as many. There was a barrage of tea party activity after Obama elected. They should be targeted-as they are political orgs! And Issa report left out targeted libs! More bs
Try doing some homework. 1500 questions asked vs 30. Not even close to the same treatment.
And why? Maybe they know something you dont. After all, it is their job. And the man at the Cincinnati office who was handling it was also a Republican....this is looking more and more to me like a concerted effort by Republicans to set Obama up.
Knew something ??? It is ILLEGAL !!! Pure and simple. It is not their job to discriminate. That is why they confessed and issued an official apology. And the Cincinnati office testified they were under orders from DC contradicting prior WH claims.
Yeah...Darrel Issa. He ordered it. Because they were asked and answered, and No, it was not Obama. So,why keep saying it was? Whens the hearing on Issa? Oh, thats right-hes in charge isnt he? Guess the witch hunt lives
continue, while the guilty laf
Did you even read the sources you quote? Issa ordered the investigation into the IRS activities. He had nothing to do with IRS screening the applications. He couldn't he works in the legislative branch. You are the only one on earth claiming this
So, he ordered them to focus on tp targets, but ignore any others...and we find out the one doing the targeting is a republican, and hes doing it because rash of tp groups wanting tax free...andthe only group ever fined was a
liberal group... waaaa!
The one who directed the targeting was an OBAMA DONOR !!! And why would he investigate any other groups ??? 100% of lib groups were approved with few inquiries. Who orders an investigation when there was no accusation of a crime ???
They did investigate other groups. It just didnt show up in the report. Cummings had to release it because Issa was going for the poor me usual tea party line.Personally,I think Lerner bowed to political pressure.Tea partydeserves scrutiny.DIRTYMONEY
Yes...and every lib group was approved, and none held in limbo AKA NO CRIME So much for your spike in applications theory. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements...
Thats right...libs not involved in crime. Tea party, however, is a different story. Trying to dodge taxes is also a crime, lest you forget. I dont think its a crime to investigate crime. The fact there were so many of them is what tipped the balance.
What ? The crime is the screening process. Registering as a 501c4 is not a crime, nor tax evasion. You're either approved or denied, not held in limbo And the screening process cant be different.The IRS already ADMITTED to ILLEGALLY targeting them.
Pressured to do so, imo.After citizens united, they had glut of dirty money calling itself social welfare. Tp words: tea party, patriot. Lib words: progressive, ows. 2 x as many tp groups approved:cause SO MANY
APPLIED.Been many libs, ows wldv gotem
Obviously you never read the link...IRS records show 501c4 app's DECLINED !!! in the year that this enhanced screening process of Conservative groups began. There was no Glut of anything. Only an attempt to silence political opposition.
Oh, its political allright....to get Obama. Otherwise, planned parenthood, naacp, eric dyson, etc etc etc could have cried as well. If Issa cared about illegality, he would have included lib groups in his report. But, its ok to target libs, inhisrule
There were no Lib groups in the report because according the IRS NONE were denied anything or subjected to the same screening. None of the groups you named were denied any status either. You just throw out accusations without a shred of evidence.
No, that would be Issa, who maintains that Obama ordered irs to target tp. Thats a made up claim w no proof, yet look how much time and $ spent on Issas tp brown-nosing.2008, xtra scrutiny of progs..no cry, no crime! Undo citizens, no more hidden$.
Please cite specifically when Issa claimed that Obama himself ordered this ??? Or is this another statement you made with no evidence ??? What he has proven is it was ordered by people in DC as per congressional testimony of IRS officials.
He said irs following direct orders of Obama admn to target tp. Cnn, state of union. There was also irs official said Obama adm had nothing to do w it. He not invited to hearings, ill bet. Issa needs to be investigate for ties to groups targeting BO.
Yes...his administration. As IRS officials have already testified that they were directed by IRS officials in DC. IRS falls under the Exec branch. He did not say the President knew about it . That's why there is an ongoing investigation.
IGs report:"All of these officials stated that the criteria were not influenced by any individual or organization outside the IRS." In other words, when Issa called Carney a paid liar, Issa is pot calling kettle black. Political witch hunt. As areall
IG report is an internal investigation not the current one. And you seem to have difficulty with the 3 branches of Gov't concept. Every single thing that happens in the IRS and treasury is the responsibility of the executive branch.
Who said that? Because an official in cincinnati said dc had nothing to do w it. Was he invited to Issas hearing? And Obama is also denying it came from his admn. Yet, this still getting play, and money.No there there. Just a bunch of groundswell bs.
Do some research. You're about 6 months behind the information curve. IRS agent Horface...."My frustration was primarily that I had to sit on them and wait for guidance from D.C"
Tea party seen as emerging issue, not sure if political or not."micro-managed to death by an irs lawyer in dc"-this your boogyman? Agent Shafer said he asked for list on own NOT ON ORDERS FROM DC. Seems there is lot
of shnizzle flying in the dizzle
Are you deaf. Agent Schaefers comments are already proven false per testimony of his superiors and ADMITTED to publicly by officials in DC. They ordered it from DC. We don't know yet if anyone in the WH ordered anyone in the IRS in DC to do this.
No, im not deaf, nor dumb and blind"political campaigns on behalf of, or in opposition to any political candidate do not promote social welfare." I think its safe to say tp is in opposition to Obama. Irs had OBLIGATION to
scrutinize them. Notspecial
Try reading the 501c4 statute.They can "promote social policy" and "influence legislation" which are specifically in their charters. Neither you or the President get to rewrite the law and bypass the legislative branch because you disagree with it.
Really? I dont recall congress being asked about waterboarding. And Obama is doing nothing of the sort. He said there should be no political targeting of any groups. And he says there wasnt. As for me, I think tp are subversives, and belong in gitmo.
First of all waterboarding is part of basic training for our special forces and has been since the 40's. If Obama is concerned about the targeting he should tell Holder not to appoint Obama political donors to lead the "independent" investigation
And we should not have tea party suck ups running House, acting like everything Obama does is impeachable, while having no problem when Rs do it. Making up new rules as they go along. Crying victim everytime they dont get their way. Obama not devil.
So know you're going to determine who should be running the house. I guess you want to just bypass elections as well. Any other totalitarian ideas you want to articulate. Making up rules ??? Another accusation you have no evidence you can cite.
Nah, just dont cry to me about Obama when you have a supporter of tea party running an investigation on alleged mistreatment of them: leaving progressives and ows groups out if his report, knew libs were focus
in 08, and leaving out he met w George.
Yeah next time Issa should include Lib groups in the report even though there was no evidence that any of them were discriminated against or received similar treatment. And the IRS already CONFESSED to targeting ONLY Conservatives Make perfect sense
Whoever said they only targeted cons is lying. A prog group had its 501 status declined. Dems say George gave Issa just what he wanted:"outright misleading report". Crying boohoo to make Obama look like thug, and also garnering Issa $450,000 tp cash.
Name the group that was denied. Cite your source.100% of progressive groups were approved during the period in question as per the IRS released records which I have already cited. 50% of Conservative groups never received approval.
Maine chapter,Emerge America, trains women for office.Partisan status, so denied "common good".No con group denied status, but delayed approval du to bureaucracy.SO MANY OF THEM!.2/3 of groups reviewed, no tp ties.ONLY focus on tp when Issa toldem to
That was not during the period of the IRS screening process. IG report below.
And? It still happened to them.Are you saying its only bad when tp get it?"Problem is phony 501 groups exploiting tax status to protect donors." AKA: Citizens United.They were flooded w tea party, patriot groups, and not knowing which phony,which not
The group you cited was approved during the Bush Adm and later revoked for cause. That it what you are supposed to do. The screening process is the crime, which is what you seem to be missing. And no such evidence of this ever happening before
Beeeekuz, there was no such influx of these dirty money groups before 2010, and citizens united. IF you are having rallies, and demonizing an opponent, and threatening ballots or bullets-
someone BETTER screen you! Cause thats politics, and not free
You keep repeating the lie that there was an influx of apps. They actually went down between 2009-2010 when this began. And rallying is called freedom of speech. In a free country we don't apply separate standards based on political views.
Yes we do. Wheres the police at tp rallies? Nowhere to be found, even tho some of them are strapped! But college kids get pepper sprayed for protesting wall street. Tp gets and wants special treatment everywhere. They got stuck in red tape...joinclub
No you can't. You're back to citing laws that don't exist. And in most states they are legally permitted to be "strapped" Try reading the constitution. There were NO violent Tea party rallies.Not a single person injured. Just limited gov't rallies
really? I consider it quite violent to portray the prez w a noose around his neck, say were going to water the tree of liberty, and we didn't bring guns....this time. Not to mention getting the crowds so ginned up, theyre screaming "terrorist" (Palin
Yeah, thats logical. take one or two people with an inappropriate sign and condemn millions of people.With that logic we have to ban all liberal groups because some libs held signs portraying Bush as a Nazi.Strong advocate for the 1st amendment I see
well, its a lot more logic than Issa shows! Lets see....2,996 American died on 9/11, 2001. Do the Republicans call to impeach? Hold investigations? Hearings? No-they call you un-American for suggesting such a thing. 4 dead Benghazi...impeach now.uyup
Actually yes...it was called the 9-11 commission and was a bipartisan committee. You must have been asleep for a few years after the events in question. Are you at some point going to make a factually correct point that can be cited somewhere ???
Yes, and the republicans fought it tooth and nail. Only the families of the dead made it happen. You remember, that paragon of class, Coulter, said the Jersey Girls enjoyed their husbands deaths because they pushed the issue, and got the spotlight.
The commission was ordered by President Bush and a republican controlled congress. Nice Try...any other facts you want to just make up. Why not...it's not like you ever cite a credible source or anything for that matter.
"But President Bush successfully opposed the creation of the commission for more than a year. He said publicly that an independent investigation would distract leaders from his newly-declared war on terrorism."
and I will add: members on it say it BS
He opposed PUBLIC hearings to avoid a media circus. Not the creation of a commission. Why would he oppose it. The planning of 9-11 happened for years before he was ever sworn into office and the Clinton Adm took the harshest criticism.
Really? PNAC asked Clinton for regime change in Iraq...he said no. Guess who said yes? And if Bush so honest, why agree to testify only if not under oath? Let me guess,national security?Well, then you rwers should have no problem w NSA! But Obama.
The biggest critique in the report was the inability to share info between CIA and FBI which was initiated by Jaimie Gorelick. And I have no prob with the NSA and Obama.I only have a problem with him blaming film makers weeks after intel briefs
"If this decision stands [to limit access toWhite House documents] I,as a member of the commission,cannot lookany American in the eye, especially family members of victims, and say thecommission had full access.This investigation is now compromised."
Genius...the reason the commission was limited was the same reason it should have been a congressional commission. It is hard enough to keep sworn members of congress to keep their mouths shut about top secret intel, let alone civilians.
No, that was Max Cleland, and he was saying that the Bush white house was hindering the investigation by refusing to submit requested information. Aka coverup of crime. So, he could not be associated with it, and quit the commission. Many not believe
LOL Cover up of crime. And what crime was this?One of these other made up crimes.If the hearing was exclusively through congress with those that had top secret clearance then access would have been greater. Maybe Tea party covered up Lochness Monster
No offense, but the rank and experience of those who call the commission bogus far exceeds yours. They all know who did it, thats why there is battle ongoing now. Had RMoney won, we would already be at war w Iran. Sorry you refuse to see. Your loss.
Do some homework. Not even all members of Congress have top security clearance unless they sit on certain committee's.Do you really think that top secret access would be given to a public commission with unelected officials.Don't even know the rules
Oh, I've done a lot of homework. 13 yrs of it. You cannot budge my position a smidgeon. First, I just "knew", then, I found out. It's been a long wait, but lies don't survive forever. Especially the heinous ones. What goes up, comes down.Or, 2+2=4.
Yes..you've done your homework and don't even know how security clearance works. LOL You're right...it was the TEA PARTY who took down the WTC. They also are behind the crop circles and the bigfoot conspiracy.
They weren't called Tea Party then. Just plain ole Neo Cons. Read up on it. PNAC....half of GW's admn was full of em. Coincidence? Yeah right. And I'm the Easter Bunny. Maybe you know why Cheney was in charge of NORAD that morning?Nother coincidence?
You're incredibly lost...The entire Tea Party movement HATES the Bush administration and all the other country club republicans. Dick Cheney was not put in charge of NORAD. Another Alex Jones conspiracy theory that was debunked years ago.
Tea Party hate Bush? SINCE WHEN? I dont see Bush signs at ANY rallies. Cheney was in charge.Conducting drill,just like what happened Madrid bombing,and by golly,CIA doing drill on Benghazi day! Who in charge? Why, Patreus, RMoney man. Mitt/Bibi.2+2=4
The entire Tea Party Movement is another incarnation of the Reagan revolution which sprung out of discontent with the Republican establishment the same way Reagan tried to primary Ford. Nice Try
I can put up plenty of links that Cheney was in charge too..you won't believe me, and I don't believe you. And fact that TP loves Reagan shows what phonies they are. He raised deficit, and used twice as many Executive orders as Obama...so why hate BO
Any link you would post would extrapolate ridiculous conclusions from no evidence.Deficits and Debt are only relevant as a share of GDP.Surpluses can be just as dangerous.A deficit of 2-3% of GDP is normal, healthy and beyond your understanding.
"before 9/11,he granted powers to his office to make sure the information flowed through him"•Dick Cheney was the acting Commander in Chief on 9/11 and Secret Service was the supreme command."Deficit under Reagan went from 2.7 to 6%. Demonize him!
There is ZERO credible evidence of this Cheney claim. And a 6% deficit to GDP ratio is in no way concerning if the deficit targeted production and not consumption. Which is why it was the fastest rebound in decades. You're in over your head.
Sure there is. All they had to do was ask him, but he refused to talk under oath.Like a true liar. Funny that they made Bill do it,but George and Dick got a pass. Same as it ever was in USA. Cheney:"Reagan showed us deficits don't matter" But Obama.
We already covered the topic of security clearance and the ridiculous nature of public hearings. Nobody said deficits don't matter. Your comments demonstrate you don't even understand the topic of what a deficit is and how and why they happen.
Sure I do.Reagan deficit Good! Obama deficit: Bad!Bush 3,000 dead: Not his fault.Obama 4 dead: Impeach! Obama NSA:Impeach! Bush NSA, Patriot Act:Needed for security. You're too easy. And yet, All you have is superiority complex w nothing to backitup
Increased deficits that target productive capacity increase monetary velocity,produce results in the labor market and are temporary in nature .The current adm targeted consumption which has never worked.And Bush adm blocked access to Clinton files
LIKE I SAID: Your idea of good is good. Democrats idea of good is bad.That is all you have. That is why you think no one else deserves to govern, even if elected by the country.Only you know anything. And Bush blocked 9/11 for yr. Not Bill he saving.
I am the only one who has cited a single fact check in this discussion instead of making up facts and laws which you have been caught doing numerous times & presenting crazy conspiracies. I am not the one who wants to block political speech, you
Ha! Show me one fact I have "made up". I have sources for everything iI believe...and the best source: inner knowing. Sorry, but I dont trust anything coming from you.You excuse all of Rs behavior, and demonize all of Ds.You ignore 30 yrs of history
"IRS screened Tea Party groups differently because they where overwhelmed" You wanted it to be true...so you said it.
"In early 2010-right-wing opposition to President Obama-- "the Supreme Court’s decision in Citizens United had sparked an explosion of political groups seeking tax-exempt status—and the IRS office was overwhelmed"
American Prospect May 15, 2013
And yet and ACTUAL fact check of IRS records proved that to be a made up allegation as the number of applications actually declined. I guess your "inner knowing" missed that one.
Applications are unusual, and when you receive lot of them from a particular set of right-leaning groups, it raises suspicion. Scheiber notes,“The IRS was unexpectedly flooded by dodgy 501(c)4 applications and was at a loss over how to manage them.”
Now they're "unusual". So unusual that in 2009 they received 1751 of them. And then where overwhelmed by the decline in 2010 to 1735 of them. That is quite the standard deviation. I now see the great disparity your are citing. LOL
"Campaign finance operates by shaky, or even nonexistent, rules, and powerful players game the system with impunity. A handful of IRS employees saw this and tried, in a small way, to impose some small sense of order.”-Jeffrey Toobin. No scandal,HUNT.
Keep moving the goal post. And the IG report which I cited earlier proves that a LIE. As does the later IRS CONFESSIONS that this was not confined to a few people in a Cinncinati office, but ILLEGALLY directed from DC. Another miss
Who said that? Because I heard agent -DC had nothing to do w it.Issa hearing not include him.Gee,wonder why?Also read it was DC lawyer. But, "obvious that White House had nothing to do with the process, and couldn’t have known"...But, IMPEACH anyway.
Let read what the IG said one more time in a copy of his letter
Sorry, I do not read the blaze, Glenn Becks baby. Not on yer life.If you call MY sources garbage, I call him a garbage dump! My hand would burn if touched that site. Try another source. Must be plenty, if its real and true.
Didn't ask you to read the blaze. The hard copy letter from the IG is posted to the article. And I have already posted video of congressional testimony of Cinn agents testifying that they were awaiting orders from DC. "Inner knowing" missed again
inner knowing? You accused me of making up facts! I can back up errythang. So, who in DC were they supposedly waiting orders from, and for what? Cause DC lawyer making them dot ps an qs, and Issa telling them narrowly focus on TP...this? What exactly
You lied or fell for the "flood of applications" story. And ONLY the Tea Party Apps were sent to DC and held in perpetual review as per IG report and the testimony of Elizabeth Hofacre and Carter Hull. Ofcourse NO lib groups needed their I's dotted
That was no lie,there was a flood.And, IF you are social group, you just do your thing, and file 990 form end of year. So,ALL these TP, Patriot applications WERE unusual, and REQUIRED x-tra scrutiny. If there was flood of Occupy,or Progressive,same.
Yes...ofcourse a decline in applications from 1751 in year 2009 to 1735 in year 2010 constitutes a flood of new applications. Congrats, you just re-wrote the laws of Mathmatics. Extra scrutiny is ILLEGAL. 501c4 laws permit political speech
Claiming to be for the common good to avoid taxes is also against the law. IRS had no choice but to do what they did. Issa chose to use it as another hammer to nail Obama. Just like Benghazi, Birtherism Lybia....whatever else they can CON KOCHT.
We'll overlook your trouble with math for now.IRS doesn't get to determine who is or isn't for the common good. The treatment under the law has to be the same. And once again, the IRS CONFESSED to acting illegally. The only ? left is who ordered it
Oh Bullshwacky! They didn't do anything that any other IRS did. This is political witch hunt because TP controls House. Here--I beamed this to him from my head,since I made it up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedd...
If you don't like a law, propose legislation. You don't get to apply it differently to CERTAIN groups. We learned last week that Lois Lerner was coordinating with treasury in emails "off plan"
"Certain" groups, who go around with signs threatening prez, and calling him terrorist..you think they are being singled out as not being political? Is that primarily common good to you? No way. If Occupy Group says they are common good--what happen?
So then the IRS should have singled out Lib groups for holding signs of Bush as Hitler. But they didn't. There was NOT ONE lib group sent to DC. It's illegal to apply the law diff because someone held a sign at a rally. No such legal authority.
If the libs holding signs of Bush had asked for 501 status, they would have been. You keep sayingTP is being singled out, when really, they want special treatment! They want to spend unlimited bashing Dems, without say who pay, AND get tax exemption!
Are you on drugs. I have been to literally dozens of Tea Party demonstrations. There were no such signs. These were a few obscure instances. We filed for permits, cleaned up our trash and went home. You can't link everyone together.
Well, bully for you.Just hope you realize that you are in no way a social organization working for the common good, and I should not be expected to subsidize your political org. And quit acting pure.Your guy called Obama a subhuman mongrel.NO MANNERS
I don't have a guy. Please cite a specific example of a person who was denied 501c4 status seen holding a derogatory sign. Or did you once again you just MAKE IT UP. When did you become the arbiter of what groups represent the common good ???
I did not say that. I said IF a person holding a derogatory sign applied for 501 status, they would be denied. Hence, the TP. And yes, I decided that calling our president a subhuman mongrel is not in the common good. T Nugent, Tea Party Patriot,Fox
So you have NO evidence that anyone who applied for 501c4 status said or held a derogatory sign. You're just prejudice.Nugent holds no political office or title with any group. Jesse Jackson called NY Himey town. Guess All Dem's are now anti semetic
Oh yes I do.Just google tea party rally,see plenty. And you will see them blame Obama for TARP. And threaten and hate.Ted Nugent was star at 1st TP televised event. Good friends w Hannity, muckity muck with the NRA.JJ IS called anti-Semite, as am I.
Since I can Google this that means by the SAME standard you are affiliated with dangerous leftists and Obama supporters like Farrakhan, which make you a Jew hating bigot.
Finally, your true colors come out. Heritage Foundation, or Hasbara?
Dont need a foundation to expose your for the double standard hypocrite you are who has never been to a Tea Party rally and doesnt even understand that it is not a unified organization.But like a true bigot you condemn an entire group based on a few
I hope you see the ridiculousness of your logic. Because I think TP people are bigots, that makes me a bigot. Not really. TP IS intolerant of others views. Thats why they have blocked Obama, whom WE voted in. Even tho he won election, they refuse US!
What is ridiculous is you trying to link millions of people to a few bad remarks. But the same standard can't be applied when an Obama supporter like Farrakhan says something inflammatory.That makes you a hypocrite. And congress was also elected
Ok then, i'll just stick to the ones in gvt, who yell out LIAR when he speaks, align w conspiracy demonizations, and completely insult him by not showing up when he invites them.And I see you forgot what happened to Wright. And we ARE stereotyped.47%
You mean like when Dem Rep Alvin Thomas called Justice Clarence Thomas an "Uncle Tom". The only nut I hear using conspiracies theories is you with your 9-11 propaganda. No fact checks & Pier reviewed papers. Instead you cite "Google a picture" L
Really? You never heard Obama was born in Kenya,and is a secret Muslim working to bring about the Caliphate with the Muslim Brotherhood? Never heard that hes gay? Faked his whole past? Sheeesh, you don't listen to your own party.And google showstruth
And I have heard countless ridiculous accusations about conservatives. Only IGNORANT people assume the comments of a few apply to the whole group. That is the definition of Prejudice. "Google shows truth" I should have used that in my thesis...LOL
yeah..I say them! And when I do.....guess what? I'm accused of hating America, hating Republicans and hating Jews.....so: Do you hate America, hate Black people and hate Democrats? Or do you get to have your opinions without the demonization?
Learn to read...I didn't say you hate Jews. I said if I were dumb enough to apply the same standards to progressives that you apply to the Tea Party then you are just has guilty of hate speech because Farrakhan supports Obama as you do.
oh yes you did: "which make you a Jew hating bigot".Your words to me. And, you're not the only Bagger on Earth,you know. Since 2001,I have been smeared by your ilk.Because you can't handle the truth about yourself, or the things you believe.InsideJob
Precisely...if Ted Nugent makes all Tea Party supports racist...then Farrakhan makes all Obama supporters "Jew hating bigots". Only an idiot would believe either one is true. Its called an analogy. Learn to read. You have enough trouble with Math
Oh, its not just a small number, I'm afraid.....its the thread running through all of it.Nugent...Trump....Rush....Beck.....Palin....TP organizer here in Boston.....Hussein Hussein Hussein....food stamp president....."Liar"...."boy"....its the theme!
Never been to a Tea Party Rally and you know the whole strain. Yeah they don't say the nice things that progressives said about Bush or Reagan. You really are an example of someone who is so far behind in the race you think your actually winning.
I don't recall progressives holding signs w Bush or Reagan as voodoo witch doctor w bones thru their nose. That is wholly for Obama.....care to guess why? And no one EVER questioned a presidents birth....and one of YOUR guys was born in Canada!! Race
Which of those groups had representation in the US congress? Your people control the GOP.Bush haters NEVER controlled the Dems. Don't know why you so defensive: you get what you want
The congressional black caucus has met numerous times with racist like Farrakhan to get his input on policy agenda, along with men like Jackson who also have made racist remarks. And the primary focus of the Tea Party is to represent limited gov't
Netanyahu is a racist, and we give him 3 bil+ a year. Everyone is racist, I guess, but the poor ole Tea Party, huh? And limited gvt does not include directing my private life, and enlarging the military--that is the opposite of limited.
You are the only one who extrapolates the statement of a few people to mean that everyone thinks the same thing. I simply pointing out how your standards work when applied to you. And Tea Party members are close to 10th amendment libertarians.
Love how you laughed at me for saying u tube is the truth, and here you are using it....Again...anti Bush was citizens, not sitting members of gvt. The hatred has infiltraited into our gvt, via the TP, and members are using it to Get Obama, FOR Bibi.
I said "Google search" I have no problem using youtube if you have a credible source viewed on it...not a Lawerence O'Donell monologue. Not to mention pier reviewed papers. Sitting Congressman Pete Stark called Bush a "Liar and Murder"
really? You show videos of Bush haters, I show videos of Obama haters...your credible,mine not?And so did Stark arrange hearing on Bush? Vow to block all legislation?And how did R's characterize him? Bet they called him un American.But not them, ohno
You really cant read. Any video of any protestor doesn't tell us anything about an entire group.Only you believe that.Bush was called unpatriotic by Sen Obama, Loser by Reid. Various leg propsals were blocked such as SS reform and SCOTUS appt's
No, but we see what they do when they come to power. Snyder, Walker...destroying unions, cutting taxes for rich, while raising for poor. Putting road blocks up for voting, erasing womens rights....the proof is in the puddin'. Anti Freedom. Pro Corp.
Dear lord...There is NO correlation between tax revenue to the treasury and the marginal tax rates for rich or poor. The wealthy paid a higher % of the overall revenue after EGTRAA than before.And yes, Dems like Kucinich & Wexler screamed impeach
Kucinich didn't scream. He went to Congress with 38 articles of impeachment drawn up. Republican House,Republican Senate, Not even a chance of a hearing.But Rs spent ALL Clinton terms and now Obama terms on hearings/smearing/downgrading.No Integrity.
There are no articles of impeachment against Obama unlike Bush. Clinton was impeached for lying under oath and was subsequently disbarred as an attorney. Educate yourself
No, just 5 yrs of unending hearings and accusations and obstructing his job. They cant impeach, because Senate is Dem. If that changes, you can bet they will do it. And yes,I know, Clinton had to testify under oath, but Bush and Cheney didn't.unequal
So during the Bush 43 ACTUALLY filing Impeachment articles, blocking nearly every piece of legislation and appointment and constant investigation as well, along with media outlets like Dan Rather drumming up fake National Guard records was OK.
Yeah, he filed, and then what? Nothing. He also filed them on Obama. Again, nothing. And your version of history differs from mine. No constant investigation..if did, it in basement, away from media. 60 minutes also mess w Obama.Benghazi liar--wooop
Because your delusional. Valerie Plane, AG firings, Abu Ghraib...etc. Most were baseless or no evidence the Prez did anything illegal. The reason Kucinich got nowhere with his calls for impeachment is they lacked credibility. He is as crazy as you
I see you never read those articles of impeachment. It is serious business, and you people sluff it off. Because a Republican did it, its sacrosanct. All Rs above the law. OBVIOUS, as the 60 dead from embassy bombings during
Bush didnt elicit 1 tear
Every prez has bad things happen during his adm. Not every Prez blames it on innocent film makers. Kucinich never filed any articles of Impeachment against Obama as well. Once again...you just MADE IT UP. You'd be a great fiction writer.
U right-he never filed them, but he was going to. Over Lybia. And u tell me...why Bush embassy bombings no constant hearings, and blaming him?Rs say Obama did it. Why not same for Bush? Dont break your brain figuring it out. Duh, its obvious.POLITICS
Nobody is saying Obama issued an attack on Benghazi except a few fringe conspiracy nuts like you.The issue is he told the country it WASN'T a terrorist attack for weeks and blamed a film maker when he was briefed otherwise just before his re-election
Ehhh! wrong.He said it terror next day, and CIA told adm it cause of movie.Issa:"As long as President Obama is in office, I feel the job I'm doing is the most important job I can do and I intend to continue".See? When Bush was there, he didn't care.
The Prez gave a speech 2 weeks after the incident at the UN and blamed a film maker. Nice Try again...http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2233975/Pe...
"You’ve probably been told by outraged Republicans that President Obama and/or Hillary Clinton issued a “stand down” order in Benghazi. That allegation belongs to Republican Representative Darrell Issa of California" Big Fat Liar...nice try, YOU.
That's not what Petraeus said. He said the CIA made clear that this was know immediately to be unrelated to a spontaneous protest over a video. Yet 2 weeks later the Prez was still telling a diff story at his UN speech. Why...Re-election concerns
I have a different opinion. I think Patreus did Benghazi to help RMoney win election. An Obama October Surprise,if you will. CIA analyst Tarpley, And In fact, it was Republican House that refused x-tra money for embassy security....so look in mirror.
Yeah...And the station chief in Libya who said the same thing is also in on it. And when The prez finally admitted is wasn't a film maker...he was also in on framing himself. That makes sense.
Nothing makes sense. But you can get a faint glimmer of whats going on when you find out Qui Bono? And Certainly, Obama did not benefit one iota from Benghazi. In fact, it's a constant political gambit from now until 2016. Issa promised. Groundswell.
Of course he didn't benefit from it. It was an example of an incompetent attempt to create a false picture of a more stable middle east.The truth came out, and his adm was once again shown to be incompetent.They make people long for the Carter days
I see it as failed attempt by the zio-cons to put RMoney in charge, so they could bomb Iran, and all the rest of the deranged planes they have. Told you already..PNAC. Also believe there is a group of American Patriots who refuse allow thisto happen
Back to your paranoid delusions again. Romney might have bombed Iran...and Obama did bomb Libya. Now I see the difference. PNAC is a think tank. There are literally hundreds of them all over D.C. In order to understand you need the ability to think
"To Get the Truth about Benghazi,Probe the CIA Mormon Mafia and the Romney Campaign.The Benghazi killings represent: a US Ambassador killed by CIA asset,while CIA team and another group of CIA assets conveniently fail in mission to provide security."
Mormon mafia...LOL. Let me guess...another Alex Jones type nut job that is lacking in a single fact check...pier reviewed paper or even a white paper from a single credible source. Have you thought about asking the Dr to increase the Aripiprazole ?
Yes, Mormon Mafia. Just like Irish and Jewish...or are we only allowed to mention the Italian? You do know RMoney is being sued for racketeering? And god knows where he stashes his billions, to avoid paying taxes to my country. Thats a st8up gangster
You're really off the wall. When you send money offshore, you're still subject to US income taxes. My guess is Romney paid more in taxes yesterday than you'll pay all year. Keep reading those Larouche pamphlets the nuts hand out at the grocery store
Im sure he did. He "makes" more in a day than I do all year . But he still pays less tax rate than my senior mom. How you like that? Well, you probably do. And youre a funny one to mention ANYONE! Beck,
Hannity, Oreilly, Limbaugh..Bwahahahaha!
You're not smart enough to understand the tax code..but I'll try. People like Romney are taxed at two levels. C-corp and then again at the personal level. The combined amount is far higher. Only personal level is lower because it comes from Cap Inv
Sure I understand it. Rich people pay less a percentage of their income than the working poor. $$-wise more, because they have all the money! Its not rocket science. And your constant belittling shows much about your character...I see why u a Bagger.
No they pay a higher combined % rate and more of the proportionate amount of national taxes. The top 0.10% pay more than the bottom 80%. And your ignorant accusatory statements prove why you're not smart enough to make that kind of money.
The top 10% have more wealth than the bottom 80%...combined! AND they do not pay more a percentage of income.Some pay 0,and we know it.Like Mittens, who for some reason didn't share his tax returns, breaking w tradition. Wealth disparity USA obscene!
The top 0.10% earn a HUGE portion of income from dividends. Which means double taxation. You are only counting the one half of the tax code that you don't understand. Wealth is infinite. You have what you create. If they have more they earned more.
Eh,I don't call sitting on money "earning" anything.And if $ infinite,they shouldn't mind paying taxes,instead of looking for ways to hide it.Afterall, they can always get more,right?Because dude has 21.5 bil,and hates Obama cause of carried interest
Sitting on money ??? Ever here of capital formation. The creation of wealth requires things like ingenuity. The more taxes paid the less working capital exits for capital investment. The system is propelled by increases in monetary velocity.
Some have ingenuity,some inherit, some get lucky,ALL have help! And I think less taxes means more to stuff in the banks..all over the world, like RMoney does.Puts it in wifes name, kids name, probly dogs name..all these shady things. Not honest,slick
More money in the bank means more available for cap ex and economic expansion. If banks aren't capitalized with base money then M2 money can't grow and the economy slows for all of us.Putting money in your wifes name changes your tax liability how ??
Oh bulloney. Biz is sitting on 2.2 trillion, refusing to invest. My opinion? They are waiting for tea party reps in gvt to bust all unions, remove all taxes, and remove penalties for hiring illegals. Biz goal is maximize profit, minimize cost/quality
Bingo, Lower marginal rates and a more friendly biz climate increases investment and rich people pay MORE in taxes due to increased velocity. That's what class warfare idiots never get. The more you attack Biz, the less economic activity there is.
Biz isn't under attack, workers are!The less they earn, the less safe their work environment: the less available to spend, and the less enthusiasm for giving their sweat and blood.More pay, more ownership of own labor,and less scales tipped to ceo's.
Spoken like a person who know nothing about what it is like to be a successful entrepreneur. My compliance burden has increased 10 fold in this adm.Thats more money that is not being devoted to increasing capacity, and instead endless paperwork.
Hate to tell you entrepenuers, but you would be nowhere without the hard work put in by people you employ. My idea of success is not gaged on bank accounts, but human accounts. You treat people well, youre a success, you use and abuse......LOSER!
Once again you have the supply an demand concept backwards. People who provide services that are highly skilled are paid highly. People who don't aren't. People who RISK their own capital are rewarded if and when they are a success.
Sounds good, until the one with the money has all the power and controls all the options. Example: we in my place went without raise for 6 yrs, cause boss couldnt afford. Then, he has great year, huge profits which we all work
You pay is not a function of profits, nor should it be. If you want to get compensated 100k you need to produce more than 100k in profit on your own. If you left and profit didn't go down by 100k, then you're weren't worth 100k.
Who decides what I'm worth?The man with the money.Who decides what hes worth?The man with the money.Ridiculous,and shtupid.He wouldn't do what I do.Hows he know what its worth?If HE did it,suddenly, itd be worth 35 million! You worship money, I don't
Wrong, the people that consume the product or service you produce decide your value by what they are willing to pay for it. If you believe you're under paid via productivity then offer your services directly to the public and sub yourself out.
Never the fault of the money men is it? Even when they are subsidized by the tax payer, they still take full credit for everything, and raise prices when ever the feeling hits, and demand low taxes....Nothing but take take take....talk about entitled
You have it backwards again. The private sector pays for the gov't. Not the other way around. So essentially you want to reap the rewards of profit without taking the risk of your own capital & get paid more without offering additional skills
No, it's the private sector that takes no risk...unless it's banksters risking other peoples money. Biz gets help from gvt, then takes all profits for themselves. As they say, "Capitalism on the way up, socialism on the way down."...aka Ponzi Scheme.
Dear God...where did you study economics. Gov't creates only currency. Currency only derives its purchasing power from the productive capacity of the private sector AKA...Wealth Otherwise gov't is nothing more than another ex of a Weimar Republic
Nooo, the Federal Reserve creates currency, then charges Uncle Sugar interest on it.If it wasnt' so precious in the eyes of Capitalists,it would only be the dirty, snot-infested paper I know it to be.Private sector these days in only in it for greed.
The Fed Res is the gov't. And the way money is created is through deficit spending. Simple concept. Every dollar of deficit is new currency in circulation. Every dollar of surplus means a dollar is removed from circulation. It is called base money.
I share this view:
http://www.monetary.org/is-the-federal-reserve-sys... When fed head threatens martial law if banks not get TARP..Houston, we have problem. House of Cards, Based on Greed
Try reading the ACTUAL Federal Reserve Act http://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/about_12799.htm The lack of understanding of how the economy and monetary system functions is frankly astounding for someone who talks about it as thought they understand
"Since 1913 the dollar has lost over 95% of purchasing power, aided and abetted by the Federal Reserve’s loose monetary policy. Hard workers lose their savings to inflation. Only big-spending politicians and politically favored bankers benefit."-you?
I am not disagreeing with monetary policy being too lose. But the claims made on that site are grossly misleading made by people with no back round in monetary economics. One of them designed elevators for a living. This qualifies him how ???
Hes one of many.Off the top of my head, I know Sanders, Frank, Paul, and Grayson have prob w it.And I also know Lincoln issued greenbacks:murdered. Kennedy issued US Notes: murdered.Read that Fed had prob w Nixon:humiliated and Reagan: shot.NotNice.
Stop with the conspiracies. The Fed inflates prices to subsidize the cost of growing entitlements because that is the only way to make them manageable line items in the Fed budget. Because nobody in DC wants to cut entitlements and lose votes.
They wouldn't need to cut anything if rich people paid their taxes! You do know that one in particular has a net worth of 21.5 billion dollars, and wants Obama out because of the carried interest loop-hole Obama wants to end? No conspiracy--sickness!
Increased tax rates DO NOT increase tax revenue. The US treasury collects the same amount of revenue as a share of GDP regardless of how high rates are. There is NO correlation. http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafa...
Statesmen negotiate - Tyrants dictate.
It is easy to view President Obama as savior when one permits lies to be the basis for dictating law.
Radical political operations are the rule under Obama.
That is why good people have lost healthcare insurance
It doesn't count when you're just making stuff up.
Truth always counts even when someone tries to deny it.
And calling something the truth, doesn't make it so.
No one can make up the lies told by the President and his worshippers. They have done nothing to improve or bring about Hope and Change. The deranged attitudes of the current administration is equal to that of all tyrants previously removed.
I dont think you realize the subversive undertone going on here. The same people who called me an America hater for questioning their pick for prez are going to march on Washington-with guns- to remove my pick for prez. They are using EOs as excuse.
Tyranny portrayed as Partisan Democratic rule is still Tyranny no matter the document used by the tyrant. The USA is a republican form of government based upon the Articles and Amendments within the Constitution. Tyranny is unconstitutional.
Tyranny was here under Reagan, Bush and Bush and Bush. Why a coup now? I think its obvious. Its all political, and also racial, imo.
Rex 184 was Reagan. Promis was Bush. They all lied and spied. But
they white, so allright. Right? What else couldbe
as usual - when someone does not have truth on their side, they throw the RACE card. WELL lovemychris, I am a member of the minority group. But I still know what is right and what is wrong. I do not worship at the alter of tyranny.
Yes,but according to some Republicans,it only applies to Republican presidents.When a Democrat president uses them, it's an impeachable offense.They said Obama Tyrant.Then,finding out that Reagan and Bush used MORE eo's than him, it was "content".SMH
The problem that I consistently see today is that people are so caught up in the left/right paradigm that they appear incapable of producing a single thought that is truly their own. Beliefs built on a foundation of misapprehension,
I disagree there. There is MAJOR difference in party's as far as I'm concerned. And I consider this Tea Party to be a threat to America. Not Kidding.
I can understand your concern. I personally think the "Tea Party" is a non-entity that has been co-opted by the Republican party. They have for all practical purposes accomplished nothing. With the exception of flag waving and inflammatory rhetoric.
And shutting down the gvt, and the sequester, and the fiscal cliff, and cutting food from hungry people, and removing womens choice from them,and making it impossible to vote, and taking over cities, and threatening a coup, like in Egypt, and hate.
@lovemychris, Prez Bush was burned in effigy, called a nazi...a disease and various other comments and even threatened to kill him repeatedly. Let's refresh your memory.
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