I just read a news about swapping five Guantanamo detainees for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahi and I have mixed feelings. Part of me is happy that he can once more enjoy the company of his loved ones. However, I can't stop but think of the possible terror these five men might do after being released. Is one life worth putting millions in danger? Share your thoughts!
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Very well said, I have to agree.
peeples, there is much truth in what you say. There are also a lot of military personnel that die (are sacrificed) for wars that benefit petty political endeavors. The circumstances surrounding this exchange is a reminder of this, not a contradiction
He is a deserter, period. In past years such actions in time of war meant the death penalty. He joined the military on his own, he was not drafted. Exactly who were we bombing on 9-11-2001?
In the last 5 years alone our drones have killed over 2000 people, with an estimated 500 to 1000 of those being innocent people. That's not counting the 20+ other countries we have bombed, But because we are the USA we are right and all others wrong.
20+ other countries? Me thinks you are very uninformed.
Superkev, Thank you because now I know what my next hub will be. You are the one that is not informed. Our country constantly bombs other countries.
Cool, name all 20 countries and then list the reason they were bombed. I triple dog dare ya. You are going to have to go back a long ways my naive friend.
Actually it's all been since the end of WW2! Lots of bombs means it will take a couple days to get the article written.
He endangered the lives of every soldier there by his actions. That isn't about agreeing with anything - no you do not have a right to do that. Six other soldiers lost their lives as a direct result of his actions. No he had no right to do that.
There is still zero 100% evidence on that. I'm not saying he did or he didn't but I'm saying until he admits it I will assume innocent until proven guilty!
Actually: Bergdahl disappeared on June 30, 2009. A Pentagon investigation concluded in 2010 that the evidence was "incontrovertible" that he walked away from his unit, said a former Pentagon official who has read it." http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/
I could see him rushing forward with a confession in a Perry Mason-world. But unfortunately in the real one, there aren't too many criminals that eagerly come forward with confessions. Just say'in.
He left his weapon and his kit at the FOB. He mailed some books and additional uniforms home to his parents. Kids in the vill told of an American walking unarmed and asking where the Taliban where. He is a deserter and a traitor.
Even if he walked away as I said in my original statement I will think no different. Americans should mot be required to agree with the wars and horrible things we make our military do.
he can disagree. he cannot simply ignore the oath he took when he voluntarily joined up and endanger the lives of his entire platoon. he is accountable for those lives lost. and no he is not worth endangering more lives if those 5 rejoin the fight.
He was not 'required' to do anything. He joined the military voluntarily and he violated his sacred oath. He is responsible for a MINIMUM of 6 deaths.
What about the four in Benghazi that Muslims killed and Obama did not even allow help to go to? They were guilty of nothing. Strange he has a conscience and a heart when it come to 5 hardened criminals of the same nationality of his father and brothe
It was a CIA outpost. CIA let them die. Stevens was anti-Zionist: Enuff said. And just WHO gives orders in the military? The higher-ups, yes? It is a DUTY to protect fellow soldiers. Unless you're Tillman, then you kill him. USA USA USA
The world is a tough arena to play in. What our country says and does may be two different things, at times. I spent 20 years in the military and the view is much different than from the safe, "cheap seats", at home.
This. While I have no love for the Taliban and the way it treated people, I agree with the sentiment about the US govt and the acts of violence committed in our name very much.
How can you say that terrorists responsible for the murders of thousands of innocent people globally---who exist to terrorize civilians and destroy everything that you know---do things that are "no worse than what our own government will do"? How?
You just described our gvt.
Answer my question: How can you claim that the actions of the US are analogous to those of terrorists? Who taught you this false equivalency? What evidence do you have that enables your acceptance of such nonsense?
JFK, MLK, 9/11.
Evidence--you won't believe.
Patriotism--we not on same page.
News-Flash: You no better or right than me.
To me--your beliefs are the conspiracy.
mbuggieh, please google "how many people has USA killed with drones and in wars" and read. We've killed far more than the Taliban. I have no respect for them,but we shouldn't act like USA is any better when it comes to killing.Numbers prove we aren't
Perhaps you should consider why we have killed these people and why they killed OUR people. Frankly, some people need killin', these folks qualify.
Like they say: Don't start nuthin' won't be nuthin'
Please read up. Most of the times we have bombed countries they have done nothing wrong except protect their land from our big businesses. Mostly the A.U.F.C. Most of our killing is outside of the "big" wars.
You can't count wars and soldiers. How about we count civilians. ""The Taliban are responsible for nearly 90 percent of all civilian casualties, according to ISAF statistics." That's just currently in Afghanistan but there is a difference.
Why shouldn't we count wars? We make up any excuse we can to invade other countries! We always stick our nose in everything. So yeah wars should count, especially when we lack the ability to know when enough is enough.
When you liken it to murder, then you count civilians, not soldiers. And then you have to count wars for the other side as well. You don't get to skew statistics just to make a point. Terrorists take far more lives, most of them civilian.
skewing statistics is when murder stops being murder simply because one side feels those "murders" were needed! We'll never agree. I'm okay with that.
No you want to count soldiers on opposing sides as deaths by the US but ignore the same from the other side to say ours are greater or equal. That is skewing statistics.And completely ignoring the obvious difference between a soldier & a civilian
A soldier is just someone paid to follow orders, including murdering innocent and guilty people.
A soldier is an ARMED someone trained in combat and aware they are a target. A civilian is someone going about their day, unaware they are being targeted and usually unarmed. Vast difference. Soldiers died btw so you would be free to defame them.
Say what you want about them but they DO kill innocent people. I come from a military family. I'm quite aware what they do. Most of the time they are following blind orders that many don't even agree with. Justify killing all you want. I won't.
Your comment: peeples: "A soldier is just someone paid to follow orders, including murdering innocent and guilty people." is not only uninformed, but shameful and speaks volumes of the ideologies that form your "thought" and politics.
You've yet to provide anything to back up your ludicrous claims. Do you have any sources? links? Or are you just spouting rhetoric with no basis in fact? Are there bad soldiers who kill innocents? Yes. Is it the norm? No. The Taliban target innocents
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_i... http://youtu.be/Pc7dmaQw-8s Just a couple since this space is limited. Again I feel no need to agree with you or for you to agree with me!
And I already provided you with the information that over 94% of the civilian deaths in Afghanistan are contributed to the Taliban. Discounting your claim against the US military. It isn't about disagreeing, it is about truth, which you are lacking.
And you are blinded by false statistics the government force feeds you. I will end my side of the conversation. My views nor yours will change per this conversation so it is pointless. Feel free to have the last word!
Running away merely means you have no leg to stand on. It is a tactic those without truth use all the time. Not the government - the UN - their statistics. Proven incorrect again.
Why we there in 1st place? Taliban kill civilians...why you care? Number one killer of people is guns...more than all wars put together.Those people are civilians too. Face it: killing is all politics too.You justify anything if it fits your beliefs.
All solders are not armed. My brother was in the Air Force, outside of basic training he never handled a gun. My best friend was in Thailand during Vietnam. He fixed things. He did not carry a gun. You have a stereotype view of soliders
just came across this: peeples is right. Justify it all you want...truth hurts
This issue is not as simple as many are making it out to be. Read the following link from FactCheck. It offers some valuable insights.
I never said anything about the negotiating with terrorists. As for the law part - your own link says the following: "Whether the White House’s interpretation is correct remains a matter of debate in the legal community." He's on shaky ground.
My point in providing the link was to show that the issue is not as black and white and some, including you, try to make it and there is a lot of terminology in laws, briefings, etc. that can have an impact on understanding what was actually required
ummm,Congress was URGING him to release Berghdal for 5 years. Of course they knew.And they kept the operation secret for the safety of that man-you know, the American soldier prisoner of war. All of Gitmo will be freed. Finally, that blight will end.
They were urging the Administration to obtain his release. They were not urging him to trade prisoners nor to break the law to do it. They have not condemned him coming home, only the Pres. breaking the law.
Bulloney. They have called him a traitor, a deserter, and compared his father to the Taliban and Muslims-their catch-enemies of the decade.Just as they question Duckworth's loyalty and called Cleland a coward. Despicable! Oh yes, "draft-dodging prez"
All of Gitmo will not be freed. When it is closed those remaining will be transferred to facilities on the mainland. They are not POWs. They are detainees not affiliated with any country's military. US may hold them forever.
I think Carter and Reagan negotiated the release of the hostages held by Iran. That was after a failed military assault by the U.S. We negotiated with Khrushchev about the Cuban missile crisis. There are all sorts of terrorists.
300 TOW Missiles - that's what Reagan paid Iran in 1986 for 3 hostages. Immediately after they were released Iran took 3 more. Reagan's favorability dropped to 15 percent, but by the time he left office the country had forgotten all about it.
You are talking people on the street, I am talking the GOP. They have not said he should not have been brought back. they have questioned the manner and means.
Ohhhh Kkkkk. So--they were all there in office when Bush released 500....where was the "furious outrage" then?
This is not a simple as partisan politics as those from the Left and those who fail to grasp the reach of international terrorism suggest. Laws were broken; Congress intentionally circumvented; terrorists empowered. Not politics, but reality.
Yes--by the Bush administration! And what has been done about it? You all would love to just move on.....I want Justice!
chris - it would be nice if you could join us in the year 2014. If you are so upset over anything Bush did - unless you are a hypocrite - you should be doubly upset by this Pres.'s actions.
I do not think Obama broke the law. Congress cannot command the president and I think the word shall and not will was use. Any lawyer will tell you that shall is not binding, it is a preferred possibility. It was a minor infraction at best.
Um dude. Yes Congress makes laws and the President is subject to those laws. By law - passed by Congress - he must notify them 30 days prior to any release at Gitmo. He broke the law.
Do you mean to say Bush notified them 520 times 30 days in advance? I highly doubt it....let me guess, this is a new law made just for Obama by this congress, right?...cause you know: "you white, you allright!" You black...get back.
This was a law that Obama signed in to being. Yet another epic fail lovemychris. So, yeah it was a special law for Obama by Obama LMAO.
so, Obama made a law all by his lonesome? I thought congress made laws? And so, did Bush notify congress 520 times before he released, or was he allowed to do as he pleased? How many Americans kidnapped after Bush released gitmo prisoners? waiting.
Nope, but Obama signed it dimwit. He had the choice what to do, guess which one he chose? So. yet again, fail.
So, just as I thought...a new law for Obama, while Bush was free to do as he pleased. Black and white, in'it? Oooooh, now that those 5 are released...they will cause far more damage than the 520 of Hero Bushman. USA USA USA.
LOL, you really haven't the first clue do you? LOL
Like Einstein said “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.” You certainly are stark proof of that.
In other words....I'm right, and you know it. Bush did whatevah he wanted..you didn't care. Obama sneezes, you scream impeach. There's a word for that. Figure it out.
There's a word for you sure enough, starts with ess-tee and ends with upid. You just don't have the brain power to understand, it would be like explaining relativity to a sparrow. No matter how well I explained it your brain just isn't big enough.
uh huh...you and your superior intelligence.....funny all you cons think you're superior. Just remember your book: pride goeth before a fall. And patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. We all are equal. Try and comprehend that if you can.Heart
what meaning do you expect your delusionally self-important statements of unknowing, inexperienced opinion to have with us? What fantasy do you hold that you would believe that your tiny-fisted tantrums would have more weight than that of a leprous d
Ooooh, big words. You using mommy's dictionary? Look up this word: Heart. You seem to be lacking one. USA USA USA
The law did not exist then - this is Obama's law - I say that because he signed it willingly. Which also means he was clearly aware of it. Can't say he only found out like everyone else from the news.
This has turned into the most Childish discussion I have seen on Hub Pages. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and can express it and even give incorrect information. It is possible to disagree without being disagreeable. We have not been successful.
Oh, it cut me off, here's the rest -- leprous desert rat, spinning rabidly in a circle, waiting for the bite of the snake?
So, the Law was not around during Bush's release of 520. But the law on torture was. What do you say about that? And I'm glad you are ok with releasing 500, but get outraged about 5.Can you see this makes zero sense? Hence, the name-calling begins.
What is this supposed to men "lovemychris":
"And patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. We all are equal."
Does patriotism preclude equality?
Release and a prisoner trade are two different things. Try to keep up, moving kinda fast here okay?
The only way Obama and Hegel can possibly justify this apparently shameless exchange is IF (and I strongly doubt this) they are able to extract useful information from Bergdahl; information they could not extract had he remained with the Taliban.
Oh please!There never should have been a Gitmo at all.It's dumb Cheney playing war games because he never went to a real one.Macho crap/Cowboy crap.Bush released 520 "dangerous to American security prisoners"-NO consulting congress. NO impeach. And?
HAHA, there should not have been a Gitmo because it's "dumb". I guess that's what passes for logic and critical thought among lefty conspiracy theory spouting progressives. SMFH
Uhm: Cheney is dumb. And a draft-dodger--something youuze crucified Clinton for.Yes-Gitmo is dumb and evil.You do know we were paying for prisoners, don't you? "Just find me one--I don't care if they're guilty" 2 bil worth of 1 dollar bills..Bremer
Seriously man, what color is the sky in your world?
Sorry, but I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.
suit yourself. Keep believing your fairy tales, and ignoring the truth:
"1st shipment of cash to Iraq April 11, 2003—consisted of $20 million in $1, $5, and $10 bills"
chris - you should read your own link. It wasn't for prisoners. It was to pay for services & keep the Iraqi govt running. We didn't track it - and it was the Iraqis who mismanaged it.
What does 1 dollar pay for? "Iraq's Missing Billions" - Starring Alan Grayson & 363 Tons Of Dollar Bills (2006)"--http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedd...
Other than to say that the Iraqi mismanaged the funds, I don't know what point you're trying to make. First, it was Iraqi money from frozen assets so it wasn't a payment. Second, it was the Iraqis who mismanaged it (or stole it) not us. Point?
WRONG. It was Bush adm who mishandled funds...Waste,mismanagement and fraud. Haliburton, KBR, Panorama, Blackwater: THAT was greed and corruption..big time. Overchargging, breaking the law by making shell corps to hide money.It was USA.Iraqfollowlead
Wrong. Read your own link. Expand your mind get over your Bush vendetta. Join the rest of us in the here & now. Regardless, past wrongs do not excuse current wrongs. That isn't how it works. If someone commits a crime, you can't excuse yours.
Exactly.Whatever may or may not have happened in past administrations or with past US Secretaries of Defense is entirely unrelated to any current problem and actions. Obama is not right because you deem Bush wrong or vice-versa.
Watch the video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZVAFssWtoI. Nobody can talk because of GAG ORDERS. It makes ALL the difference. Bushco still walks free, and YOU want to crucify Obama. Not 2 sets of standards...one. NO ONE is above the law...even Reps
lol please stop. you're only embarrassing yourself. gag orders are just that, an order. where is the copy of such an order? nowhere because it does not exist. besides, irrelevant to events in the here and now.
Only an imbecile could say that Iraq is irrelevant to the here and now. Tell that to the moms and dads that lost sons and daughters. Tell that to the dead Iraqis. And forget that your gvt caused it, profited from it, and never paid. Dis-honoring USA.
When someone uses a whack job and wife abuser like Alan Grayson to try to bolster their already weak argument, that's an automatic fail.
Hussein caused both by invading a country & then not complying. google is your friend. It is irrelevant in this topic of what Obama did. Smoke & mirrors you use to deflect from this disaster of a President Syria has WMDS btw. Had them all the
Complying with what, the central bankers?Nothing had anything to do with us, save profits for Chevron and Exxon, and Judeo-X-tian neo-cookery world domination fantasy.YOU may not remember AbuGharib,but I sure as he!! do. Stain on Good name of us all!
His actions were also illegal as he is required by law to notify congress 30 days in advance of any Gitmo detainee transfer. This is a law that Obama himself signed.
exactly, Obama's actions until now have been on the border line. However, this action could have the means of having him impeached.
Obama will not be impeached over this--it is neither treason or high crimes--bring a solider home, regardless of what he did, is a responsibility that cannot be ignored. Holding prisoners in Gitmo is not right either.
So a president who breaks the law and circumvents congress time and again is just 'no big deal' huh? There was no exigent circumstance here. For 5 years they housed and fed him, now, suddenly, he's in danger? Hardly.
How would you know? What knowledge you privvy to? Do tell.
Lincoln suspended the right of habeas corpus in the Civil War, FDR imprisoned Japanese Americans during WWII, Kennedy gave us the Bay of Pigs, Nixon Provide Watergate and you are mad because Obama made a prisoner exchange without notifying congress?
Not to mention AUMF(2001) and the Patriot Act(2003)...which were promptly used to attack a nation which had NOTHING to do with 9/11, and secured the true end of our 4th amendment rights. PRISM, etc. Bush Good Patriot, Obama Evil Muslim. BLAH!
And as noted in another comment: It is very easy to criticize the US and the US government from the cheap and safe seats stateside.
Look who's talking! If you equate my criticizing Bush with criticizing the whole US gvt....what do you say about yourself, and others like you--who criticize Obama on daily basis?
You are perfectly free to criticize anyone you want. Don't let the fact that are almost always wrong in between spouting your conspiracy theories deter you. In the US one is free to be as utterly stupid and ignorant as you care to be.
OBVIOUSLY! Look at the results of the 2010 midterms....Hey Boehner....where are the JOBS JOBS JOBS???
Stuck in committee in the democrat controlled senate run by Dingy Harry.
RIIIIIIIGHT.That's why your guys jumped on the jobs bill, didn't they? Boy-they were SO hyped to join Obama on that. That's why their 1st legislative act was anti-abortion legislation. lot o jobs in that huh? DOIYYY
I saw today where CNN reports six soldiers died trying to find him after he walked off; and also that our government has already decided not to pursue charges. I hurt for the families of the rescue team; they died in vain for Bergdahl's actions.
Almost certainly more. Those six were directly involved in the search, soldiers report that Taliban attacks increased greatly after he deserted. Lord knows what intel he gave them they later used to kill our troops.
True and he did not even want to come home I am sure. He does not love America and I only hope he will face charges!
I served 8 years in the USMC, still want to call me an 'armchair patriot"? I bet you never even considered serving your country.
Who's talking to you? I do serve my country... by exposing the traitors here in her midst. Don't take it personal..unless you're one of them. No matter: I'll leave it to those who saw it 1st hand. Not that you'll listen, but enough of us will.
Those who saw it first hand? They're all saying he's a deserter, not a hero. There you go. First hand account.
I'm not talking about him when I say traitors in our midst. If you want to focus your wrath on him: have a party. He's a fish...I want the sharks.
Guess the big O had to get his brothers set free somehow behind everyones back, be looking over your shoulder cause they are planning our deaths this minute no doubt with a little help from their friend. O well the books will be out about this commy
Unless he kills 3,000 of us at once then 4,000 in combat: don't worry....elBushbo still holds the record. You left out some slurs, lady. You forgot pinko f*g.
It is no secret and you nor anyone can deny it. Muslim father, stepfather and commy mother; that is who he is! In charge of America and people like you are not that blind so I can only guess about you.
Oh come on--you know what it is! You people labeled me from day one: America hating anti-semite. That's what I've had to deal with from the goon squad. So, Ill call you an America hating Islamophobe. Nice, huh?
I am embarrassed by those who have never served their country; fail to understand the intent terrorism; use language like "armchair patriots" and who are, in fact, know-nothings who for some reason unknown to me hate my country.
True--I do hate your country. But I love mine. Didn't recognize it from 2000-2008. Slowly coming back.
Aren't you glad you live in a free country where men and women have died in domestic and foreign wars to protect your freedom of speech; even your freedom of speech to claim that they were criminals killing innocents for a corrupt government?
Uhhuh.....just like you all do now! and they weren't fighting for me. Smedley Butler, General US Marines: "War is a Racket. I fought to make war profiteers rich"
If you negotiate in good faith, you do not turn around and kill five people. That would just re-escalate the conflict and cost more lives. I am glad our solider was returned home, despite any misdeeds he may have done and no one else died.
They will keep trying to kill us, lacking an honor system and a concept of the benefits resulting from the hypothetical secession of hostility and violence. I agree that retrieving our man takes priority, but 5 less terrorists is always a good thing
In our position as a world leader, we are require to abide by self-imposed restrictions. Making a deal and then turning around and killing five men would be murder, not war, but murder. If the position had been reversed, and our people were killed...
They don't need to be tried, they were found taking up arms against the US while wearing no identifiable uniform nor belonging to any legitimate military force. As for the traitor, in another era he would be facing a firing squad, and rightfully so.
I was only speaking of the U.S. solider and true he may had been executed by a firing squad in the past, but there would be court martial proceedings first. It we want to preserve the freedoms we all cherish, they must be applied equally.
My point is clearly we have a Muslim running our country and I am baffled that even the Republicans will not say so! We all know it that have an ounce of sense.
I have seen no credible proof that President Obama is a Muslim. That is the same as playing the race card. Regardless of his skin color or religious beliefs, he is bound by the laws. Congress and the Courts are to maintain the checks and balance.
Yet time and again he ignores that very fact and does as he damn well wants. And nobody calls him on it.
I completely agree Larry, very eloquently stated and so true.
Yet he continually ignores the laws & the Constitution. Harry Reid is not going to let anything onto the Senate floor to stop him.
If we are going to play the blame game and that what this thread has been about, then both chambers of Congress have done more harm than any president through their petty party politics, undeserved seniority and a system of rules to hide behind.
How long should we hold terrorists without providing the benefit of trial and due process. Even the Nazis had their day in court. I contend many people do not like Obama and will find something wrong with everything he does. I'll let ponder that.
They were due to be tried by a military tribunal and IIRC Obama put the kibosh on it and wanted them tried in a civilian court like a common murderer. The American people told him no way in hell and it has been in limbo ever since. IIRC again.
Those held at Guantanamo Bay are "enemy combatants" and the US Supreme Court determined during WWII that the cases of enemy combatants are NOT properly decided in criminal courts, but military tribunals. We need tribunals to decide these cases.
sure there is! Good for cons: politically:https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpTiBJeCUAAcsHb.jpg Money from every tragedy. Con-Way.Did you know before Obama got him, R's were pushing him to do everything he could to free Berghdal?Did u know that? Pathetic
So what to what anyone did, this is now and our country is being put in danger by our own leader who was raised as one of them!
So what? Just as I suspected....Alfred E Neuman syndrome.What, me worry?Blame it on the other guy,Not me.I'm looking right at YOU.Who started this d*m war in the 1st place?Who gave blessings?Mirror mirror on the wall....youze.Take some responsibility
A question: If your child, a solider, had been captured, and a prisoner swap was offered by the opposing country, would you want to wait 30 days before your son or daughter was release? I do not think you would.
Seriously? So if my child, a criminal, was in jail and I did not want to wait for a trial I should arrange a jail break? I might not want to wait, but I would understand the wait to adhere to the law.
Sassy Sun, you are mixing apples and oranges. We have our laws, other countries have their laws and rules. Sometimes, they do not exactly mesh, then the President has to act accordingly. If he had not brought the solider home, he would be blamed.
So what foreign law was compelling Obama to act and break the laws of his own country, you know, the one he 'leads'? And why, pray tell, would another countries laws matter a whit to the POTUS??
I stand to be corrected, the the "law" everyone is referring to is H. R. 3304. It is an House Resolution. I could find no action on this by the Senate or any presidential signature. Maybe there is a law. I would like to see the citation.
Really not difficult to find, try Google, he is your friend: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/12...
Thank you, found it, you should read it. Section 1035 sets forth some guidelines that conflict separation of powers clause of the constitution . You do not like Obama. I voted for McCain. I took Obama over Romney. Seems like the GOP-Race card at work
Really, that's what you've got? It's because he's black? Well, half black anyways lest you forget. What it IS however is he did not inform congress as the law demands he do. Period.
Yes---this was extra-legal and unconstitutional at best, and at worst, an act that has empowered international terrorists AND put the lives of virtually all Americans at risk for kidnap and ransom by terrorists---foreign and domestic.
How many Americans kidnapped after Bush released 500 gitmo detainees? Anyone know?